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Monday, July 07, 2008
Frank Gaffney :: Townhall.com Columnist
Islamists' Catch-22
by Frank Gaffney
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Try a little thought experiment. What would have happened in this country during the Cold War if the Soviet Union successfully neutralized anti-communists opposed to the Kremlin’s plans for world domination?

Of course, Moscow strove to discredit those in America and elsewhere who opposed its totalitarian agenda – especially after Sen. Joseph McCarthy’s excesses made it fashionable to vilify patriots by accusing them of believing communists were “under every bed.”

But what if the USSR and its ideological soul-mates in places like China, North Korea, Cuba, Eastern Europe and parts of Africa had been able to criminalize efforts to oppose their quest for the triumph of world communism? What if it had been an internationally prosecutable offense even to talk about the dangers inherent in communist rule and the need to resist it?

The short answer is that history might very well have come out differently. Had courageous anti-communists been unable accurately and forcefully to describe the nature of that time’s enemy – and to work against the danger posed by its repressive, seditious program, the Cold War might well have been lost.

Flash forward to today. At the moment, another totalitarian ideology characterized by techniques and global ambitions strikingly similar to those of yesteryear’s communists is on the march. It goes by varying names: “Islamofascism,” “Islamism,” “jihadism” or “radical,” “extremist” or “political Islam.” Unlike the communists, however, adherents to this ideology are making extraordinary strides in Western societies toward criminalizing those who dare oppose the Islamist end-state – the imposition of brutal Shariah Law on Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Consider but a few indicators of this ominous progress:

* In March, the 57 Muslim-state Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) prevailed upon the United Nations Human Rights Council to adopt a resolution requiring the effective evisceration of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Henceforth, the guaranteed right of free expression will not extend to any criticism of Islam, on the grounds that it amounts to an abusive act of religious discrimination. A UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression has been charged with documenting instances in which individuals and media organizations engage in what the Islamists call “Islamophobia.” Not to be outdone, the OIC has its own “ten-year program of action” which will monitor closely all Islamophobic incidents and defamatory statements around the world.

* Monitoring is just the first step. Jordan’s Prosecutor General has recently brought charges against Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders. According to a lawsuit, “Fitna” – Wilders’ short documentary film that ties certain Koranic passages to Islamist terrorism – is said to have slandered and insulted the Prophet Mohammed, demeaned Islam and offended the feelings of Muslims in violation of the Jordanian penal code. Mr. Wilders has been summoned to Amman to stand trial and, if he fails to appear voluntarily, international warrants for his arrest will be issued.

Zakaria Al-Sheikh, head of the “Messenger of Allah Unites Us Campaign” which is the plaintiff in the Jordanian suit, reportedly has “confirmed that the [prosecutor’s action] is the first step towards setting in place an international law criminalizing anyone who insults Islam and the Prophet Mohammed.” In the meantime, his campaign is trying to penalize the nations that have spawned “Islamophobes” like Wilders and the Danish cartoonists by boycotting their exports – unless the producers publicly denounce the perpetrators both in Jordan and in their home media.

O Unfortunately, it is not just some companies that are submitting to this sort of coercion – a status known in Islam as “dhimmitude.” Western officials and governmental entities appear increasingly disposed to go along with such efforts to mutate warnings about Shariah law and its adherents from “politically incorrect” to “criminally punishable” activity.

For example, in Britain, Canada and even the United States, the authorities are declining to describe the true threat posed by Shariah Law and are using various techniques to discourage – and in some cases, prosecute – those who do. We are witnessing the spectacle of authors’ books being burned, ministers prosecuted, documentary film-makers investigated and journalists hauled before so-called “Human Rights Councils” on charges of offending Muslims, slandering Islam or other “Islamophobic” conduct. Jurists on both sides of the Atlantic are acceding to the insinuation of Shariah law in their courts. And Wall Street is increasingly joining other Western capital markets in succumbing to the seductive Trojan Horse of “Shariah-Compliant Finance.”

Let’s be clear: The Islamists are trying to establish a kind of Catch-22: If you point out that they seek to impose a barbaric, repressive and seditious Shariah Law, you are insulting their faith and engaging in unwarranted, racist and bigoted fear-mongering. On the other hand, pursuant to Shariah, you must submit to that theo-political-legal program. If you don’t, you can legitimately be killed. It is not an irrational fear to find that prospect unappealing. And it is not racist or bigoted to decry and oppose Islamist efforts to bring it about – ask the anti-Islamist Muslims who are frequently accused of being Islamophobes!

If we go along with our enemies’ demands to criminalize Islamophobia, we will mutate Western laws, traditions, values and societies beyond recognition. Ultimately, today’s totalitarian ideologues will triumph where their predecessors were defeated.

To avoid such a fate, those who love freedom must oppose the seditious program the Islamists call Shariah – and all efforts to impose its 1st Amendment-violating blasphemy, slander and libel laws on us in the guise of preventing Western Islamophobia.

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PuppyChen - You are misinformed - 2 of 2
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I don't know if you are aware or not, but there is a whole science of study of the occassions of revelation and occasions of ahadith, and understanding of scriptures which cannot be learned by simple browsing, watching CNN or pervert documentaries like that of Mr. Wilders.

And you have quoted from Al-Quran 8:39. Please also tell us why you have not quoted 8:38 and 8:80. I will tell you, because if you did then it would expose the context, just like in the case of Mr Wilders. The translation of three verses 8:39-40 is as follows:

8:38 Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).

8:39 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.

8:40 And if they turn away, then know that Allah is your Befriender - a Transcendent Patron, a Transcendent Helper!

This makes it clear that this killing is in battle field against those who persecute. And if peace is offered then it is incumbent on Muslims to accept it.

Your quote of 9:5 is incomplete and out of context without the 4 preceding verses which state that the disbelievers with whom you had made the treaty have broken it (by killing innocent civilians) and now its war time. In 9:5 God is telling that in the battle filed kill them where you find them.

And then you forgot to quote 9:6 which state that if they seek asylum then don't only give it to them but escort them to a place of safety.

There are a lot more verses in the bible which are a lot more violent while being quoted within context. But if one starts quoting bible out of context then the list will become unmanageable. But this is not my purpose. My purpose is to clarify the misunderstandings that biased media and people like Mr. Wilders spread among the masses.

PuppyChen - You are misinformed
Dear brother,

I think you are grossly misinformed about Islam and its texts. Although you have quoted from Quran and Ahadith, but the translation you have picked is not accurate. There is no such thing as abrogation in Quran. All the verses of quran are valid and unconflicting. correct translation of Al-Quran 2:106 is "Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?". The better verse does not abrogate, rather corroborates the previous one.

This is in stark context with todays Christian belief where such abbrogation is inherent in the structure of bible.


And in the hadith you have quoted "jihad" as "holy war". Again this is a wrong translation. Jihad does not mean holy war. In fact in the whole of Quran "holy war" is not mentioned. In arabic "holy war" "Harb Muqaddasa". Who coined this term holy war. It was the Crusaders in order to motivate Christian forces to attack Jerusalem.

And you are twisting the context of hadith. Muslims can only wage war to remove oppression. So if killing is required to remove oppression then that is Jihad. Jihad is also to control ones anger. It is also to be patient. There are 9 different forms of Jihad, and none of the forms results in injustice. Infact all 9 forms are meant to remove injustice or oppression.
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"TRUTH" YOU ARE STROKING YOURSELF
Muslims peddling the "religion of peace" line selectively quote Koran 2: 256: "There is no compulsion in religion" and Koran 25: 63: “The worshippers of the All-Merciful [Allah] are those who tread the earth gently and, when the ignorant speak to them, they reply ‘Peace.’”

These are suras (verses) of the early period, when Mohammed was living in Mecca, with few followers, and still trying to win converts by persuasion.

The deceivers don’t tell us that according to Islamic doctrine, the Koran’s earlier suras are abrogated by Muhammad’s subsequent revelations once he was strong enough to disclose his real agenda. This was taught by Muhammad at Koran 2: 105: “Whatever verses we [i.e., God] cancel or cause you to forget, we bring a better or its like."

Under the Islamic doctrine of “abrogation,” the later revelations once Muhammad had a horde of armed men at his back cancel 124 earlier verses that enjoin toleration and patience.

Bukhari: V1B2N25 makes clear that next to “Islam” or submission to Allah, the highest Muslim duty is to “jihad” or holy war. “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah's Cause.’”
Muslims are ordered to fight and kill until Islam is the only religious and political institution. Koran 8:39 enjoins: "Fight them [non-Muslims] till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam" and at Koran 9: 5: “Fight and kill the unbelievers wherever ye shall find them.”


What part of this is open to "misquoting" or "misinterpretation"?

Response to Lies Against Islam
In recent times we have seen an exponential growth of hate propaganda against Islam. People who permeate such ideology deliberately conceal, distort and misquote out of context to mislead the unsuspecting public. Under the excuse of freedom of speech such people hurt and incite hatred against others which is in direct contradiction to Article 20(2) of Human Bill or Rights (http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ccpr.htm), which states: Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law. Thus any Nation failing to respect this provision is indeed placing itself beyond the basic expectations required from civilized societies

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3888523/Response-to-Lies-Against- Islam

Early Marriage in Islam: Video Response to Slander against the Marriage of Prophet Muhammad & Aisha (R) part1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm_fkOBZrOQ

Early Marriage in Islam: Video Response to Slander against the Marriage of Prophet Muhammad & Aisha (R) part2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxGlf8mgLVo

Islam & Terrorism: Video Response to Geert Wilders Film FITNA The Movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAerxKYipU

Announcement of Response part 2 to Fitna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9NkCVrh_7s&feature=related

Prediction
I want to make a prediction. We will have a terrorist attack on American soil in the first year of the next presidential term. Bin Laden will have had 8 years to prepare for the next attack. Americans, especially girly men liberals, have accepted the notion that 9/11 was an isolated incident and that you will have a greater chance of getting hit by lightning than seeing another terrorist attack. The attack may be at a very crowded environment, but at a location or event that has not received the kind of security that the Super Bown has received. It may be Mardi Gras in New Orleans. But, more likely, it will be in a shopping mall in small-town America at peak shopping hours. That would be the definition of terrorism. It will strike fear into every American. If it can happen in small-town America, it can happen anywhere. People will be afraid to go out. All a terrorist has to do is walk into a mall with a bomb strapped on his body. There will be absolutely no resistance.

Let me remind you that the terrorists waited eight years between their first WTC bombing (1993) and the second one (2001). And, both happened in the first year of a new administration. I ask all Americans to be alert. Be on the lookout for suspicious looking characters. We are at war with the jihadists.

M Sederoff . . . Thanks
M Sederoff, Thanks for the reminder.
I have been aware of Mark Steyn's book. I just haven't read it yet. However, it is on my list.
Although I DO agree with you about the REASONS you gave . . . in response to the last couple of questions I posed in my previous post . . . those questions were largely rhetorical, being born out of frustration and exasperation. Having spent a considerable amount of time in Britain and other parts of Europe, I have personally witnessed the destructive social consequences of widespread Muslim immigration. It is no longer the same Europe I enjoyed for the first time in the early 1970's. It has become a lot more frightening.
The inability, or unwillingness, of political leaders -- or the people themselves -- to think in the LONG TERM . . . as you mentioned . . . is a gradual suicidal behavior for our own democratic cultures.
Thanks again for your response.

Myk

moslem intrusion into america
intrusion of moslem into america can well be blamed on aclu. yes, president reagan did face off the communist and broke its back, but not totally. aclu provides shelter for their agents by infiltrate into this institution with american taxpayers funding-this so call non-profit organization. no one heard a beep about the moslem inflitrate into country with their sleeper cells awaiting for order to decaputate america. yes, aclu allows their twisted term on freedon of extreme religion. acle needs be dismembered before american citizens can once regain their rightful freedom. God bless America, home of the brave!!! tangshui

I'm Not Surprised.
With the example of the old U.S.S.R., there are good reasons to avoid the problems they ran into. Head them off first. With the help of our "intellectuals" and their push for political correctness, it isn't hard at all. Just insist that it is politically incorrect to say bad things about anyone and then insist that it is bad to tell the truth about what they are doing. Your own laws help them.

It is our own politicians who insist that we "look to the future". They don't want us to look to the past and avoid making mistakes that others have made. After all, we could easily see that their prize programs are making the same mistakes that have already been proven to be useless. The Islamic people are willing to learn from the past. Our people aren't.

Dhimmi
I think that we need to start charging the Dhimmi to all Muslims. See how they like it. Double it for Liberals.

I really fear for this country. I fear that the Left will push too far, and the backlash will bring about something they really don't want.

ab

Buck
Do you know what a NeoCon is? I'm a conservative, but I'm not a NeoCon. NeoCons have a different political philosophy than classical conservatives. You like to use the word but I wonder if you know what it means.

Islam is a counterfiet religion.
Islam mimics many of the teachings of both Christianity and Judeaism but twists those teachings into something truly evil. Free will or free agency is condemned.

The moon god, Allah, is a merciless, ruthless, capricious, arbitrary being who pre-destines men to a "Heaven" where they enjoy unending sexual union with a variety of dark eyed girls composed entirely of musk, or to an unspeakably terrible Hell to be tortured for all eternity, but, not for what they have done, for their path was chosen before they were born. There's not much mention of what women get while their former husbands are "playing" with their "musk dolls", musk vibrators maybe?

It is amazing that the "feminist" crowd isn't up in arms about Islam. It is the most anti-women's rights philosophy on the face of the Earth. In Islam, women are just a possession whose value is in pleasing her husband and bearing children for him. She is property, just like a goat is property.

The fact that "liberals", who are so hypercritical of "evangelicals" yet so accomodating and even protective of Muslims, says something very uncomplementary about liberals; they are very simply perverse.

Buck, Who would that be?
"Let's equally oppose all of the Deconstructionists,who want to tear down America's Traditions,Affiliations and Culture. O.K.Frank ?"

Who would that be Buck, mentally challenged trogledites who use meaningless words like "NeoCon"?

Paolo, enemy of my enemy is my friend?
So you think that if conservatives are rightfully concerned about the inroads being made by islamo-fascists, that they are good allies for liberal idiots like you?

That would be like being in favor of a dirty-bomb on NYC because some of the people there are conservatives.

Do you really have two brain cells to rub together?

Myk
You need to read America Alone by Mark Steyn.

They're doing it for the same reason many businesses want uncontrolled immigration in this country. For money.

Europe needs the labor to shore up their sagging economy. They have millions of people there living on entitlements (and the number gets bigger every day) but because the birth rate of White Europeans is not even at replacement levels (having kids interferes with people’s lives) they have to depend on immigrant labor to provide revenues to their tax base to support the entitlements.

No one is looking at the long term consequences. Everybody just wants to get thru today or until they die. Same with us. Businesses who clamor for unending immigration from socialist countries can’t be bothered with things like taking responsibility for the eventual destruction of American values.

ex-cannuck, NEWS FLASH
"Subject: Pres.Bush's "assault" on rights
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."

That wasn't Bush, it was Barry Goldwater, probably before you were toilet trained, or are you?

aurorawatcher
I loved it!!

Good for you!

Right on all counts
How long before something like this excellent commentary is itself illegal? Scary thought...

We'll have to use "code words". Substitute "Cucumber-ists" for Islamofascists and "Mo-Ham-and-Cheese" for "Mohammad". Annoying perhaps but desperate times call for....

Whatever our response, our children and grandchildren will bear the burden of our failure...

ex-canuck
What "rights" have been suspended by Bush? Aside from the discomfort now part of airline travel that was the result of a need to protect against terrorism, I can't recall any rights that have been suspended.

Oh, you mean the temporary suspension of the right of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers to talk about their terrorist plans on the telephone without possible detection by a computerized-listening device. Hmmm, well, that doesn't seem to have restricted my rights or the rights of anyone I know. In fact, I'm not sure that plotting mass murder in privacy should be considered a right.

So, what other rights are you lacking that you had before? Please, do name them!

The War of Ideas
Right on!

Read Walid Phares, "The War of Ideas" to get an idea of the progress the enemy has made in influencing Western thought. We had better wake up realize what a fight we're in for.

TOO LATE FOR EUROPE
It’s already too late for Socialist Controlled Europe. They learned too late the danger posed Muslims, a mongrel race that’s been bent on world domination since the Crusades.
It’s time to put aside “political correctness” and confront some uncomfortable FACTS.
We are now in a war of survival. Conventional morality and warfare methods must be put aside. We must readjust our moral compass. We must exterminate them or they will surely exterminate us. But this will not happen with our liberal politicians in power. With the right kind of political environment, what would have been considered unthinkable may be possible. I speak of the use of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons to exterminate the nearly 2 Billion Islamofacists in Muslim countries who now threaten our security. Unless this is done, I suggest you all get copies of the Koran, as one day it will be REQUIRED READING.

But, dear God, ...
... Don't pass a law promoting Christian values like restricting abortion or defining marriage as two (and only two) consenting adults of opposite sexes. That's just plain intolerant.

The worst of it is that the Islamists' biggest defenders are people who do not hold to a single tenet of Islam. Muslims don't believe in tolerance, diversity, sexual freedom, women's rights, abortion, tolerating homosexuality, secular government, free speech, freedom from religion, gun control, peace, non-violence, or any sort of dissent from Sharia law.

The Liberal Elites who supported communism because they would be the ruling class in the New World Order need to wake up and smell the hummus. In an Islamist utopia, not only are they not going to be in the ruling class, they'll be the first to be executed for crimes against Islam because of their secularist beliefs.

Stirring the Pot, 2
Mispelled Islamofascism...don't want anyone accusing me of being bigoted, poor-educated, or intolerant!!

Stirring the Pot, 2
Mispelled Islamofascism...don't want anyone accusing me of being bigoted, poor-educated, or intolerant!!

gets a ball rolling
I'll bet that stirs a pot or two...

Religious Crack
Islam is a threat of epic proportions. Has been since the 1st Crusade. Now more than ever it is a religion that covers of the bigoted, poorly educated and intolerant. It is aptly named Islamofacsism for a very good reason, all it took was a stupid cartoon and the ignorant rabble comsumed a city in fire! Now they say that I can't even critisize...what is this? Join or Die? I've read the Koran and yet I prefer the Holy Bible.

Besides, everyone knows that mohammed was a pedophile and carries two bombs in his turban! Oh no! Now I've really done it, you'll come and hunt me down and either behead me and my family, and anyone who has ever talked to my family or take me to Iran to stand trial!! But that's ok, my Crusader's Broadsword has been sharpened and I wait patiently.

Wake Up - Wake UP - Wake UP ...
AMERICA. Where we are being forced to go you don't want it. Mr. Gaffney is right on!

Go to:
http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Lehrman-092706a.w vx

Check out:
Americancongressfortruth.org

This is a very serious threat to America, indeed!

Freedom? Religion, Expression, Thinking
England and other western "democratic" countries are happily abrogating their responsibility to protect their constituents by succumbing to the tide of political correctness. How can free people be expected to remain so if this infringement on our cherished ideals is adjudicated in favor of this new fascism? The followers of the sect of Islam that allows, no calls, for the murder of infidels, apostates and of all who express skepticism of the creed should be held in the sunlight of our First Amendment at every opportunity. Is anybody paying attention or are my daughters going to grow up in a world where they are less than their brothers.
Hey Islamo fascists!! I don't have a gun but where do I get a permit?

ringmaster
Don't give up just yet! Liberals can be defeated because self hate is self destructive in the long run.
Give a listen to this podcast-
The Liberal Party and the Two Minutes Hate
http://thoughtsongod.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/250/

That's all folks!!
Let's face it it's over. We in the western world have seen the light and it's time to throw out our ridiculous values that have kept us going for centuries. . Get a towel for your head and burkas for the women folk.

Responses of the dhimmis
1. It's not a credible threat.

2. Most Muslims aren't like that.

3. Christians are just as bad.

4. It's all our fault anyway.

We've heard it all, haven't we? With respect to #1, I can actually see the changes that are happening, unlike global warming where I can't see any changes in the temperatures. Thirty years ago, twenty years ago, ten years ago, Mark Steyn would not be having to deal with a kangaroo court. Today he is. What will it be like in another decade?

Re #2: The left has no plan to deal with the reactionaries, who dominate the moderates.

Re #3: There is no Christian equivalent of the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, to take just one example.

Re #4: Al-Qaida has also targeted India, even though it doesn't support Israel, hasn't been an imperialist, and is not a rich country.

Any responses I've missed?

Myk
-Why, in the name of sanity, have European governments allowed extremist immigrant Muslims to be given safe haven and citizenship in their countries . . . even after those same Muslims openly advocate the violent destruction of the very democratic systems which have given them refuge? Is there any better definition of political insanity?-

Multiculturalism, change, choice,hope tolerance,and all the other misguided liberal values.

Liberalis

Go ahead and bury your collective heads in the sand. The Amish, and those of us with guns will survive, you probably won't.

Extreme Naivete
It is NOT the "moderate" Muslims who are setting the agenda for international Islamic expansion. Anyone who has traveled widely in Europe, as I have, can see the extent of demographic, cultural and religious change. There have already been numerous incidents, inside concentrated Muslim communities in Europe, of extremists attempting to impose, by intimidation, THEIR version of Islamic law . . . against women, shop owners, etc. . . . in direct violation of the secular laws of their host country. Given the higher immigration and birth rates of Muslims in western Europe, it is inevitable that, eventually, Muslims will be a majority in several European countries. That is NOT an exaggeration. In a COLLECTIVE sense, these people really are a "fifth column". Many of their most vocal elements make no secret of it. Does anyone in their right mind seriously believe that Muslims will NOT try to erode secular and democratic law when THEY become a majority? Anyone who has followed Muslim extremist activity in England, the Netherlands, etc. should know that increasing the Muslim population in Europe IS the openly-declared intent of Jihadists.
Why, in the name of sanity, have European governments allowed extremist immigrant Muslims to be given safe haven and citizenship in their countries . . . even after those same Muslims openly advocate the violent destruction of the very democratic systems which have given them refuge? Is there any better definition of political insanity?

Western Europe Will Lose
They are so week willed and "politically correct." Say something good about the crusades -- get arrested. Say whatever you want as a Muslim -- fine. Discrimate at a job against women -- get investigated and fined. Make women have separate jobs and preclude them from many specific occupations -- fine.

A student who questions a feminist teacher's belief that all sex is rape -- fails the course suspended from school. A muslim who teaches his beliefs on the school radio station -- rewarded.

Feminists and the men who "protect" them are so weak willed that they have no guts to try to improve things for women in the harshest places in the world. Instead, we need more lectures on the glass ceiling and "male dominated" sexist culture.

"Hair-Raising" Islamic Ideology

Forget fighting terror abroad, the research indicates there may be bigger problems in our own backyard!

"Not Many U.S. Muslims Blame al Qaeda" (AP)

According to a study released May 22, 2007 by Pew Research Center:

- 7% of U.S. Muslims under 30 indicated favorable view to al Qaeda;

- 26% of U.S. Muslims under 30 answered "Yes" to the pollsters question: "Can Suicide Bombing of Civilian Targets to Defend Islam be Justified?"

- 60% of the Muslim Americans "do not believe Arab men carried out the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001."

Think! One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of Civilian Targets to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, a poll says.


"It is a hair-raising number," said Radwan Masmoudi, president of the Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, which promotes the compatibility of Islam with democracy.
Source: http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf

two sides
On the one hand Gaffney raises the specter that serious criticism of Islam and Islamic terrorists will be made impossible, which certainly would be a bad thing.

On the other hand Gaffney's cartoonish attacks on Islam which equate it with Islamic terrorism get published with apparently no bad consequences to him.

So it would appear that the canary in the coal mine is doing fine.

Paolo
writes, "There is zero--repeat, zero--chance that Shariah Law will be imposed on European countries."

Pretty unqualified statement there pardner.

"as a matter of fact certain provisions of sharia are already recognised in our society and under our law"

"the application of sharia in certain circumstances - if we want to achieve this cohesion and take seriously peoples' religion - seems unavoidable?"

Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury


Btw, Paolo, they do not have to have a majority to achieve their aims. They are already achieving them quite well as women choose to wear Islamic dress in order to feel safer on the streets. Watch France. They will be first and you could not be more wrong.

In England, Anglo-Saxon justice
has been distorted to give special courts to Muslims who practice polygamy and polygamy is legal for Muslims, not for ordinary British citizens.

In W Virginia, Muslims have asked schools to allow Muslim students time for their prayers to Mecca. Hasn't happened yet, but is not so far-
fetched.

U of MI is installing footbaths so Muslims can purify themselves.

Canada is now prosectintg McCleans magazine over a chapter from America Alone, which says if we are not vigilant, Muslims will take over the West by stealth like higher birth rates and violence like terrorism.

Free speech and freedom of your own religion means nothing in those *civil rights* kangaroo courts.

Don't bet the ranch on any Catholic holy water being sprinkled around. Christians are verboten.

Paolo
Keep on speaking the truth!!!

Political correctness
Is Saint Obambi a Christian I should hate because he might irritate me with his preaching or a Muslim I should embrace because all they would do is enslave, torture, and kill me?

Pres.Bush's "assault" on rights
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

Paolo
Winston Churchill once said of Neville Chamberlain that he "viewed foreign policy through the wrong end of a municipal drain pipe."
If you compare our policy with that of the Nazis, you are a truly lost soul.

Paolo
Wow! Another example of intellectual drift.

Nitwit Neocon Hyperventilating
There is zero, repeat zero, chance that Geert Wilders will be extradited to Jordan to stand trial.

There is zero--repeat, zero--chance that Shariah Law will be imposed on European countries.

Frank Gaffney's hysteria mongering is nauseating. But, I suppose you have to invoke hysteria in order to invade pathetic, third world countries, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocents.

Excellent, selective outrage over the demands of a few pathetic Muslim extremists. Goebbels was an expert at the same game--finding a few crimes committed by Jews, then amplifying them to make it seem the Jews were about to take over the world.


Robert
Americans do not reject the concept of individual rights.

Liberals wake up!
We have indeed been too accommodating to Muslim sensitivities. People better wake up to the threat Islam poses to freedom. This is a link to an outstanding presentation that never made it to the movie houses because it would be too "offensive" to Muslims. Everyone should see Obsession, Islams war with the West.
http://thoughtsongod.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/obsession-isl ams-war-with-the-west-google-video/

The war of ideas
America has been correctly identified by the Islamists as the world's epicenter of individualism. No other country or culture on earth is based fundamentally on this ideal, even though many countries in Europe and Asia are somewhat mixed in their ideals.

If this is a war of ideas, we should start warring ideas.

I throw this out as a suggestion: With the proliferation of the Internet, if Americans such as are found on this web site would post reasoned arguments on foreign web sites about substantive issues, it could very well go a long way toward the spread of individualism. Specifically, we could post in the comments section of European newspapers. Many of the major ones are in English; just google "world newspapers."

Europe is dying, and only the right ideas can save it.

Understanding the difference
The point that is evidently unrecognizable by Western Governments that seem predisposed to allow some level of Sharia Law to be practiced in Islamic communities, is that Sharia is not just a religious doctrine, it is also an extreme form of devout governance.

The two are not mutually exclusive. To open it is to allow a box of Pandora magnitude.

Watch what's coming...
Isn't it ironic that the liberals/socialists who are so adamant about defending the "rights" of the Muslims in America will be among the first to get their throats cut by the Muslims when Islam takes over western culture and establishes Sharia law? But at least the liberals will "feel good" about it.

There are millions of freedom lovers
in this country. I suspect a vast majority of both conservatives and liberals love freedom. The problem is most liberals only care about the concept as an abstract ideal that can and should be discarded whenever necessary. I suspect too many CINOs are unwilling to pay the price to preserve it. We know where Obama stands. He stands with the Muslims. Hey, let's elect him president.

Just as if you were Brigitte Bardot.

We're all for respecting traditions and religious stricture when visiting in the countries where they are observed or imposed.

One really shouldn't expect to go sleeveless and in shorts when visiting Al Aqsa or taking pictures randomly of Muslims as you would 'point and shoot' elsewhere.

However, that's as far as one need observe Shariah in the West and in the U.S. in particular.

Consider Ms. Bardot, an outspoken and dedicated animal rights protector that has been prosecuted for declaring,” I am fed up with being under the thumb of this population which is destroying us, destroying our country and imposing its acts," for the throat cutting of sheep during Muslim religions slaughter.

Now despite, what many Americans think they know about France, the French are disgusted with the Muslims and their cultural insularity.

In France, as in Holland and to some degree in the U.S., it's the functionaries and some politically driven acquiesce that would have Islam catered to as if it were vital to our National Identity.

We've been too accommodating to Muslim sensitivities since 9/11. The Administration and the one before it have continually made public pronouncements that we are against terror and not Islam. That just feeds the frenzy. They sense our nervous resolve and are quick to demand more and more.

Islam is backward and when it seeks to dictate terms in the West, it is entitled to the back of our hand.
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