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Monday, February 25, 2008
Frank Gaffney :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Coughlin Affair
by Frank Gaffney
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Imagine trying to fight a war without a clue as to what motivates your enemy or governs his strategy for your destruction. Actually, you don’t have to work too hard to get your head around such an insane idea; it is the current practice of the United States government.

This is not, of course, the way it is supposed to be. According, for example, to the Pentagon’s own guidelines as reflected in the Army’s Field Manual 34-130 dealing with Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield (IPB), one of the first tasks in any conflict is to “Evaluate the threat.” This job requires military personnel to “update or create threat models: convert threat doctrine or patterns of operation to graphics (doctrinal templates); describe in words the threat’s tactics and options; [and] identify high value targets.”

Such guidance is eminently sensible and needed, not only at the tactical or battlefield level, but also at the strategic level. In fact, most national security practitioners would find it, well, unimaginable to try to do otherwise.

Yet, Stephen Coughlin, one of the very few people working for the U.S. government who has rigorously studied the current “threat doctrine” – the wellspring in the traditions, practices and Shariah Law of today’s totalitarian ideology known as Islamofascism – is, as of this writing, still being cashiered at the end of next month.

Worse yet, the individual who seems to be most responsible for shutting down Mr. Coughlin’s essential doctrinal analysis and training by driving him out of the Pentagon – one Hesham Islam – seems to be staying in a sensitive position working for the Defense Department’s Deputy Secretary, Gordon England. This notwithstanding serious questions raised about Mr. Islam’s public biography, conduct in relation to Muslim outreach, the Coughlin affair and his top secret security clearance.

To recap: Coughlin is the author of an impressive 330-page master’s thesis on the subject which was recently accepted by the Defense Intelligence University. He currently works under contract to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, a job for which he is well suited as an Army Reserve Major, trained strategic intelligence analyst and attorney. His thesis brilliantly argues that jihad, or Islamic warfare, is rooted in the Islamists’ Shariah Law. According to the Army doctrine, it is the enemy’s conception of his doctrine that is the basis for developing threat templates and the threat model – not our uncritical assumptions about what “root causes” inspires him. As Maj. Coughlin observes, we are not at war with a “theory of terrorism.”

Maj. Coughlin has developed an intimate understanding not only of the “enemy threat doctrine.” He has also analyzed its “order of battle” including, notably, the various front organizations operated in America by the Muslim Brotherhood. Documents entered into evidence last year by the Department of Justice in the course of the Holy Land Foundation terrorism conspiracy trial offered insights into the stated objective of the Brotherhood – namely, the destruction of the United States from within. The Justice Department has also named names, identifying among many others, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) as a Muslim Brotherhood front.

Unfortunately, thanks to Hesham Islam, ISNA has been of late the preeminent vehicle for Pentagon “outreach” efforts to the American Muslim community. When Mr. Coughlin warned the Pentagon leadership of the error of such contacts, he was pressed by Mr. Islam to desist. Shortly after the former refused to do so, his contract with the Joint Chiefs of Staff was not renewed because, as one unnamed officer told the Washington Times’ Bill Gertz, it had “gotten too hot” to keep Mr. Coughlin on the job.

Some in Congress who have taken an interest in the Coughlin affair have been led to believe that Mr. Coughlin’s contract was not re-upped for reasons having nothing to do with his altercation with Mr. Islam, that he was getting a job in the Office of the Secretary of Defense and that Mr. Islam was going to be leaving the Pentagon. It appears they have been misled.

As of now, the Defense Department’s best hope for understanding – and drawing the appropriate insights from – the Islamofascist threat doctrine will be separated from the government at the end of March. An appointment that would allow Maj. Coughlin to continue his vital work in a position within the Office of the Secretary of Defense is reportedly being blocked by Under Secretary of Defense Eric Edelman or one of his subordinates.

Meanwhile, serious questions about not only Mr. Islam’s possible ties to the Muslim Brotherhood organization but his truthfulness in describing his personal history seem to have gone unanswered. One of America’s most accomplished investigative reporters, Claudia Rosett, was unable to confirm various colorful claims made by this Egyptian expatriate on a Pentagon website. The Department’s response to date has been to remove the page from that site. Mr. Islam evidently remains what Deputy Secretary England has called him: “a close personal confidante.” In the counter-intelligence heyday of the Cold War, would outreach to suspected Soviet front organizations have been so blithely dismissed?

In the current War for the Free World, it is nothing less than a scandal that America is still trying to win it with so much confusion about the doctrine of our enemies, to say nothing of having some fact-based hypothesis and understanding of those who may seek to replace our constitutional order with a Shariah Law-based one. As Maj. Coughlin argues, “If we fail to align the enemy to his doctrine,” then our strategies and comprehension of the threat will likewise be “misaligned.”

Steve Coughlin’s insights and capabilities are needed today more than ever. Effective congressional intervention, including hearings, may be required to ensure that the services of those who understand the threat posed by the Muslim Brotherhood and its ilk are retained. No less importantly, individuals who express sympathy for or otherwise abet the purposes of one of our enemies’ most insidious and successful instruments, the Muslim Brotherhood, have no place in the United States government.

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Frank Gaffney Jr. is the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy and author of War Footing: 10 Steps America Must Take to Prevail in the War for the Free World .
 
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Dhimmitude Incarnate...

...incompetence & sheer stupidity of morons in this administration (State Dept. too) explains why this happened to Mr. Coughlin.Anyone who has actually read the Qur'an & the ahadiths of their so-called prophet Mo',PBUH (porkbutt be upon him) can easily understand the racist,supremacist,imperialistic imperative built into Islam.
Obviously,these civil servants DO NOT have a clue.
Lord help us !

Frank LMAO
"As of now, the Defense Department’s best hope for understanding – and drawing the appropriate insights from – the Islamofascist threat doctrine will be separated from the government at the end of March."

Well golly gee there Frank. Do we need a strategy against yeti's or UFO's also? Islamofascism is neither a word nor a threat it is an oxymoran. Thank goodness the grown ups are tossing this guy out. Look, to try and turn a group of criminal terrorists using Islam to hide behind and recruit into an international threat to our very existence is silly and you know it. Next will you be writing how failed senator Santorum is fighting the good fight? You blew it and you are finished take your false theories away before someone listens. You have ruined the country and the military enough


Islamo-Fascism
Fascism!. That word was coined by Benito Mussolini, dictator of Italy (1921-1943) and his point of references were the fasces (a bundle of birch rods tied together with a red ribbon forming a cylinder around an ax, symbol of Roman magistrates’ authority) when he intended to start a new Roman Empire.

In that article you referred to our adversaries as: Islamo-Fascists. I submit to you that this description is a contradiction in terms. Islam has nothing to do with Fascism.

Fascism was an exclusive, secular, authoritarian and racist (not necessarily anti-Semitic, in fact right up to 1937 Fascist Italy was considered philo-Semitic) system. Islam, whatever its faults, is decidedly inclusive, and certainly not racist, everyone must submit to Allah (the merciful and compassionate), at the point of a sword if need be and though it is religiously authoritarian (as any religion must be), it certainly is not in political terms.

We are not fighting Fascists; we fought them, wiped the floor with them and hung them up to dry. Our mortal enemy is Jihadistan and they mean to win.

Are they winning? Well, just try to board an airplane or enter a Federal building and the question answers itself. As for term ‘Fascists’ a word once fully understood as a political system that men could either accept or reject, it has become a meaningless and vulgar term of abuse.

Gresham’s Law applies to words as well.

The principle elements of Fascist ideology are laid out in the Manifesto of the Fascist Struggle were as follows:

1- Nationalism;
2- Economic centralization with progressive taxation;
3- Subordination of Church to State;
4- Expansionist militarism; and
5- Political equality for women.
unquote

I put it to your good judgment that with, the possible exception of the 4th item, Fascism is antithetical to Islam.

E. David Litvak


Thank You Harry Reid
It seems Congress has plenty of time for hearings on things completely out of its realm of authority, such as the possible use of performance enhancing drugs in major league baseball, but no time at all to hold hearings on why the only people in the government actually doing their jobs are bing fired. Classic Democratic priorities in full color.

It also seems that many people have a hard time wrapping their head around any term they themselves were not spoon-fed at birth. Fascism is, at its heart, a political ideology based on the preeminence of the state and the citizen's subservience to it. Islam is, at its heart, a religion which demands subservience to Allah and only Allah. Islamofascism is, therefore, indeed an oxymoron. Because Islam is a fascist religion.

Making it Simple
The problem some are having with the term Islamofascism seems to be an overdependence on Italy's version of fascism as the definition of fascism, and that is hardly the case.

Fascism, as defined by Webster's is "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition".

Rather than denying the justice in the term Islamofascism because it does not follow the exact course Mussolini took, one should look to the underlying philosophy involved.

Islam is a religious movement, populated by a number of political groups, which exalts the nation of Islam and Muslims above the individual and stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by dictatorial leaders (also called Imams, Mullahs, or Sharia Law), severe social regimentation (just ask the women), and forcible suppression of the opposition (you can't get much more suppresive than "convert or die").

The term makes perfect sense.

justpaul
"Islam is a religious movement, populated by a number of political groups, ... (you can't get much more suppresive than "convert or die")."

See all that is nice but made up. You quote Islam in its worse light and from the perspective of the terrorists. The exact same can be said about Christianity and other religions -- it is about the myth. The term completely distracts from hunting terrorists which might explain why Osama is still free.

"The term makes perfect sense."

Read even what you wrote it makes zero sense. Are you Rick Santorum?

Sure Hal
Right. I made up the part about how the Quran requires the subjugation of the infidels, either by conversion to Islam or the sword. Have you ever actually read the text the religion you are defending is based on?

And you even threw in a Rick Santorum reference, as if that were somehow relevant! How brilliant!

Typical leftist BS. You want to redefine an ideology based on one failed experiment with it rather than on an honest appraisal of its actual philosophy. What's next, the meaning of the word "is"?

Coughlin
Far too easy to blame the administration. After 7+ years of BDS, that's a cop-out. Better to look in the halls of the civil service bureaucracy. Just as the halls of defense, justice, and congress of the 40s and 50s were filled with people of questionable loyalty, today the upper reaches of civil service, as well as the Congressional leadership, are manned by cretinous incompetents. We are dealing with a perpetually offended foe, who will scream until our "Archbishops of Canterbury" fold. Even though nearly 70 years have elapsed, it seems nothing was learned from Neville Chamberlain. Harry Reid! Nancy Pelosi! Indeed!

Wow
You mean this idiot opposes outreach to the American muslim community? That would be the community in Buffalo that turned in the Lackawanna group that was supposedly a great threat to our safety?

Unfortunately Gaffney fails to realize there is a difference between being an expert on a subject by engaging with the material, and being a neo-con expert by working at reasons for killing people who are different than oneself.

Hal Donahue
writes, "Well golly gee there Frank. Do we need a strategy against yeti's or UFO's also"

Right out of the box, you throw up two outrageous strawmen. When yeti's hijack airliners and crash them into buildings or UFOs take out a major city then, yes I would expect someone in our government to be thinking of strategy to prevent such occurences again. Okay!


Hal
responds to:
justpaul
"Islam is a religious movement, populated by a number of political groups, ... (you can't get much more suppresive than "convert or die")."

See all that is nice but made up

----------------------------------------------

Just what is made up? Are you going to readily dismiss the fact that air contains oxygen? That grass is green?


Bean Pie My Brovah
Mr. Gafney the problem here is Mr. Coughlin in his 330 page diatribe never once mentions the steriod connection, everyone knows it's in the Bean Pies yet nothing. Nothing about Britney, Lindsay and Paris Hilton wearing Jean Paul Gaulthier Burka's with no underwear. Nothing about Amy Crackhouse I mean Winehouse recording a remix with Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevans) doing his song "Oh Baby Baby It's a Muslim World" nothing, nada nothing, not even pictures of Barack Obama dressed in African Muslim garb, all he had to do was call the Clinton's and their staffers, nothing.
How in the world did he expect to be taken seriously is beyond me, Jeeez Louise, we've been watching what the Israeli's have going through for years, yet we're bent over with our hershey highway exposed being groped adolescently by islamofascist, and niavely expecting at least to be greased up and the thoughtfulness of a reach around, knowing full well we're gonna get rammed visciously leaving a gaping hole the size of Iraq.

I shall return
These traitors in the pentagon and the state department will rue the day that they took the side of those that would destroy our way of life.

Hal Donahue, you and your ilk will be sorry for the stupidity of trusting to Socialist to protect you. Your auguments for Jahadist and apparent intallectual dishonesty about fascism are dull and show just how nieve that you and those that think like you are.

Robert or Wobbie or Pilot or whatever you are, you are not in Iraq and do not try to impress others here by saying so.

The only way to defeat Evil is to understand it and stand up to it. Mr. Coughlin understands it and has tried to stand up to it. Mr. Gaffney knows it and has writen a fine piece about it.

The Government is full of people like Hal Donahue, and Wobbie. All talk and no brains or guts anough to stand up to the Evil that confronts us. I pity you the fools like them when the make believe world that they are living in explodes all around them. When that day comes who will step up to protect them, not me because they will have already become the enemy to me. Mainly because they appeased and defended the enemy. Colaboration comes with a cost.

Lon writes
Wow
You mean this idiot opposes outreach to the American muslim community? That would be the community in Buffalo that turned in the Lackawanna group that was supposedly a great threat to our safety?

Cretins think that the community turned in the Lackawanna group. The only people that turned in these would be terrorist were just that people not the whole community. In fact the Buffalo Muslim community is made up mostly of radical Jahidist elements that are constantly being survailed by Homeland Security. Try going down there Lon and see how many looks of hatred and scourn that you get.

Actually, it's
a false analogy that Hal offers. Comparing Dec. 7th, 1941, and Sept. 11, 2001 is a useful exercise to see if there are enough corresponding traits to merit similar responses by the U.S. Government. If the analogy holds true enough, like response is justified.

|"But, what the Hal," trying to make an analogy of conducting a yeti and UFO war to the prosecution of the radical Islamic threat is par for the course for folks with the wits of "The Seven Dwarves."

Hitchhiker has done admirably well, exposing the falsity of the comparison.

Suicide by wearing p.c. blinders.
Maybe part of the confusion resides in limiting Islam to any movement with "national", "ethnic", or "racial" identities.

Islam, as we know, transcends these identities.

The question that needs to be answered is the extent to which believers in Islam view Sharia law as essential to their "faith", and even that is misleading because Islam encompasses far, far more than what we in the West view as "religion".

Another crucial question is the degree to which muslims deem as essential the conversion of nonmuslims within their midst to Islam, and if conversion is to be forced?

In my modest opinion, Islam is a total way of life, a religious orthodoxy AND a set of civil laws dictating behavior of its believers....determining what is permissible from its believers in religious and civil(non religious)behaviors.

The term "fascism" may not be totally inappropriate in describing Islam from the standpoinnt of subordination of all to a dogmatic belief system.

This Coughlin matter has troubled me.

Wearing P.C. blinders prevents one from perceiving the nature of one's opponent.

Hitchhiker
"Right out of the box, you throw up two outrageous strawmen."

No they are as real as your imaginary "islamofascists" that is my point.

"When yeti's hijack airliners and crash them into buildings or UFOs take out a major city then, yes I would expect someone in our government to be thinking of strategy to prevent such occurences again. Okay! "

Islamofascists did not take out two buildings a terrorist organization called Al Q lead by Osama did. Remember those names?/?

Hitchhiker
"...take out a major city..."

UFOs didn't but GW fiddled or whatever while a hurricane did take out a major city

Meyac
"Hal Donahue, you and your ilk will be sorry for the stupidity of trusting to Socialist to protect you. Your auguments for Jahadist and apparent intallectual dishonesty about fascism are dull and show just how nieve that you and those that think like you are."

Ahhh and who will protect me those leaders of the NRA who abhor military service? I will protect you and I have protected you no matter how deluded you are

"The only way to defeat Evil is to understand it and stand up to it. Mr. Coughlin understands it and has tried to stand up to it. Mr. Gaffney knows it and has writen a fine piece about it."

you are right but you, Gaffney and Coughlin are wrong very wrong

"The Government .... ....Mainly because they appeased and defended the enemy. Colaboration comes with a cost. "

Have you ever served in the government?

Profblog

I hope you don't teach at an accredited college

"Actually, it's
a false analogy that Hal offers."

Not an analogy but sarcasm geesh

"Comparing Dec. 7th, 1941, and Sept. 11, 2001 is a useful exercise to see if there are enough corresponding traits to merit similar responses by the U.S. Government. If the analogy holds true enough, like response is justified. "

Rubbish and very very sloopy


Hal almost sounded human yesterday......

........on another topic, but let the subject get serious and he's back to his permanent tactics, confuse, confuse and confuse.

Do they pay you Hal to blunder your way through life and try to make mince meat out of what otherwise would be good discourse.??. Are you a brother of "True Democrat".??. Is it possible that any SANE human with half an education could make up the imbecile statements you come up with.??.

Surely you jest. AH.

Hal Doofus writes:
Ahhh and who will protect me those leaders of the NRA who abhor military service? I will protect you and I have protected you no matter how deluded you are

I'll pass on your "protection." You could not guard the entrance to a wh*rehouse, much provide security anywhere else.

Lumberjack7392 too late
"Ahhh and who will protect me those leaders of the NRA who abhor military service? I will protect you and I have protected you no matter how deluded you are"

And I have protected you for over 20 years and not by pretending to be a tough I served

Hal D: Really?
Your statements reflect a fatal ignorance of history: the Crusades were in response to 250 years of Muslim imperialism, violence and cruelty. Christianity dominated the Middle East prior to the predations of Islam. Religious conversions were imposed by the sword. By the 8th centurty AD, North African Moorish Muslims invaded what would be Spain, crossed the Pyrenees, and were stopped by Charles Martel (Charlemagne’s Grandfather) at the Battle of Tours in 732 AD. If it weren’t for the Franks, the Muslim horde would have swept across & likely conquered the whole of Europe. Then there’s the matter of the Ottoman Turks attempting to invade Eastern Europe in the 15th-17th centuries.

Islam has always been a warrior religion prone to predation on a multiple-century cyclic basis.

If you were to remove yourself from your “high-horse” of moral superiority associated w/ being a self-loathing white male & actually clutch in your brain, you might consider the distributed “culpability” of all Muslims, i.e., the 10% that are truly scary, the 60% (i.e., sheeple) that are too terrified to nullify the 10%, and the remaining 30% who are somewhat sympathetic to the “cause.” It will take the collective will of the 90% of “good” Muslims to nullify the 10% & I see no overt manifestations of said will. Where are all the “good” Muslim protesters protesting the predations of radical Islam en masse? Apparently the same post-modern semantics employed by progressives that allows hyphenated-Americans and other practitioners of “group-identity politics” to assign “group guilt” to mainstream American (i.e., “White Guilt”) doesn’t feel the need to assign any “group” culpability to the 90% of all Muslims who continue to fail at “cleaning out their own house.”

BTW, speaking as an Academy graduate, after having to endure the vapidity of your many vitriolic posts I can only state emphatically that you put the “90-day” into the concept of the “90-day wonder.”

Meyac
It was the people and not the community that turned in the would be terrorists in Lackawanna? Is that sort of like saying one didn't get lost in the forest, one got lost among the trees?

I have not spent time in Buffalo. But I did live outside of Toledo with a largely muslim population. Never experienced the hatred you are talking about. I worked with a Palestinian young man in Chicago. He had a youthful enthusiasm for the US. But certainly it is better that all of these people be treated as enemies.

As I understand it Coughlin speaks none of the languages in which the material he claims to be an expert on is written. He seems to shun actually interacting with the community he is talking about. He seems to be one of these "experts" who believes that evidence is anethema to true expertise. The embarassing thing is not that he was removed from his position, but that he was put in that position in the first place. The Bush administration has had a bad habit of putting ideological purtity over actual expertise. I hope Coughlin's removal is evidence that that is no longer the case. But I am not overly optimistic.

Demosthenes
"Your statements reflect a fatal ignorance of history: ......Eastern Europe in the 15th-17th centuries."

Selective history. You forget that Christianity conquered by the sword all the pagans crushed under the boot. There is the ebb and flow of civilizations and cultures. Religion is just a part of it. Islam is the major reason for the preservation of Roman/Greek knowledge while the Christians were burning libraries etc.

"Islam has always been a warrior religion prone to predation on a multiple-century cyclic basis."

And Christianity is blameless and peaceful. It was not that long ago I was hearing things like kill a commie for Christ

"If you were to remove yourself from your “high-horse” of moral superiority associated w/ being a self-loathing white male ..."

LMAO I am not the leastg slef loathing and yes I do claim moral superiority against someone using "selective facts" and fear mongering

"....& actually clutch in your brain, you might consider the distributed “culpability” of all Muslims, i.e., the 10% that are truly scary, the 60% (i.e., sheeple) that are too terrified to nullify the 10%, and the remaining 30% who are somewhat sympathetic to the “cause.”"

Source for this rubbish? Or are they your "feelings".

"... Apparently the same post-modern semantics employed by progressives that allows hyphenated-Americans and other practitioners of “group-identity politics” to assign “group guilt” to mainstream American (i.e., “White Guilt”) "

What is this "white guilt" nonsense is it some Southern or racist buzz phrase?

"BTW, speaking as an Academy graduate, after having to endure the vapidity of your many vitriolic posts I can only state emphatically that you put the “90-day” into the concept of the “90-day wonder.”

You disgrace your school dearie - if you went...

Lon /Meyac
"The embarassing thing is not that he was removed from his position, but that he was put in that position in the first place. The Bush administration has had a bad habit of putting ideological purtity over actual expertise. I hope Coughlin's removal is evidence that that is no longer the case. But I am not overly optimistic. "

Bingo what you are seeing here is pure fear mongering. I don't know if they are trying to explain away their major military errors or their inability to punish Al Q and Osama. Then again they may really have these fears and be truly frightened and need to create a BIG enemy so they don't look like the girl on the stool confronted with a mouse

HalD..Are you likewise dismissive of...
Mr. Islam's very concerning associations as you are with the threat of Radical Islam in general? :)

Lon et al

""The Bush administration has had a bad habit of putting ideological purity over actual expertise.""

And I suppose you believe that when the Demons are in the white house all will be purity and light. My what a twisted sense of reality you must have.

As bad as Jorge Bush is, he shines compared to what is coming. We don't need talk and hope. We need people with workable solutions to our multiple problems.

The only working and thinking man in the bunch bowed out a few weeks back. Apparently the "feel good teachers" have done their job very much too well.


Same old same old
Wow Hal, now we are back to blaming Katrina on Bush! Apparently Bush influenced the corrupt Democrat politicians in LA and NO to misuse funds slated for levee improvements for about 30 years. He further encouraged the environmental groups to block any attempt by the Corps of Engineers to improve the systems in any way. Of course, like ELF, he believes in less people and more trees. He also withheld the offer of assistance from Blanco and hid the keys to Nagin's school buses. Pure leftist crap. Blame the Dems, the enviro-fascists, Nagin, Blanco, stupidity, corruption and a general overall sense of "let the gummint come get me, I am not responsible for myself or my well-being" that the liberal ideology espouses. Blame Bush for his ridiculous cronyism in appointing "Brownie" but you can't lay the whole thing at his feet, doofus. Of course, if he had just signed Kyoto, we wouldn't have global warming and there would be no hurricanes or melting Arctic ice caps (or thickening Antarctic ice caps or dangling participles or designated hitters for that matter). You are all blather, half-truths, misdirection, strawmen and outright dismissal of points that you should answer intelligently.

Robert
You are not in Iraq. You are not in Texas. Stop lying. Heck, just stop.

onceamarine
""And I suppose you believe that when the Demons are in the white house all will be purity and light. My what a twisted sense of reality you must have."

They sure were lightyears better than this Bush Regime. GH must be soo embarrassed by GW...

"As bad as Jorge Bush is, he shines compared to what is coming. We don't need talk and hope. We need people with workable solutions to our multiple problems."

You had better hope not. Will be perfect? no way but workable solutions I expect so the conservatives will be gone



Islamic Totalitarianism
Unfortunately, this increasingly fatal trend towards "compassionate conservatism" during Bush's second term is more compassionate towards our totalitarian Islamist enemies than it is towards the American people George W. was elected to protect! He is aided greatly in this effort by our State Department and Ehud Olmert of Israel appears to be taking a similar tack.

Can't wait till Obama (aka Chamberlain) is elected President to make us completely vulnerable to our enemies! Second Amendment right are now more important than ever, and I'm generally non-violent till threatened.

Wake up and smell the coffee! The idea that right is wrong and wrong is right prevail in this increasingly politically correct world. Common sense, let alone the survival instinct, is almost gone.

Very concerned citizen,
Richard Brown

Ron
"HalD..Are you likewise dismissive of...
Mr. Islam's very concerning associations as you are with the threat of Radical Islam in general? :) "

No I am not. I assume that it is yet another extremist hit on the messenger. You know like attacks on Murtha for speaking up or outing Wilson's wife. I hope it is because you folks cried wolf far too many times

brownbear95
"...Can't wait till Obama (aka Chamberlain) is elected President to make us completely vulnerable to our enemies! Second Amendment right are now more important than ever, and I'm generally non-violent till threatened."

Does that idea get you all excited? Make you fell like a big man? I bet you are a memeber of that big NRA freedom fighting outfit - geesh

Hal Doofus writes:
And I have protected you for over 20 years and not by pretending to be a tough I served

How have you protected me? You served, big deal. So did I. I will pass on liberal protection

Hal:
I bet you are a memeber of that big NRA freedom fighting outfit - geesh

Were rejected for membership in the NRA by reason of being a major Doofus? or was it because you did not know which end of a pistol to point downrange?

Hal
Again with the tired lies. "Outing Wilson's wife" is a complete fabrication. Dick Armitage did it, and admitted it the first or second day that Fitzpatrick had the investigation going. Problem solved, so why did he keep going? He kept going, wasting taxpayer money, on a witchhunt to try to "get" Rove and Cheney. Why wasn't Armitage indicted, imprisoned, or "frogmarched"? Because Wilson's wife did not meet the guidelines for being "covert". My God, the woman's husband opened up his yap to start all of it. If my wife was a covert CIA operative, I would keep a low profile. Of course, I am a lot smarter than Joe Wilson. Heck, even Valerie was kind of idiotic to pose for the Vanity Fair picture. She should have had the sense to keep a low profile, as well. Keep on lobbing them up Hal, I'll keep hitting them back. Try "Mission Accomplished" next.. that is one of my favorite oft-repeated liberal lies.

Lumberjack7392
"Were rejected for membership in the NRA by reason of being a major Doofus? or was it because you did not know which end of a pistol to point downrange? "

I was a member but when they supported the so called armor piercing bullets back the early 70s I realised they were too extreme for me. As a city cop we didn't like those at all.

Lumberjack7392
"How have you protected me? You served, big deal. So did I. I will pass on liberal protection "

Too bad that was not an option you had it but thaank you for covering my moderate backside when you did

Hey Doofus
here you are. I see that your saving the world again. At least your (lite Col) ego protected us for 20 years or so. I'm so grateful that you wore diapers to protect us. At least you kept the chairs dry.

Doofus
I see that your hero Murtha has pretty much shut his yap since the Marines were found not guilty. Of course, you still have Hanoi John to swoon over.

SSGT
"I see that your hero Murtha has pretty much shut his yap since the Marines were found not guilty. Of course, you still have Hanoi John to swoon over. "

Actually Murtha said the surge is working and he said so way back when. Friday, he was at Ft Drum checking up on how the Army was reportedly trying to get VA to curtail business. Murtha is doing what Murtha always has done - watch out for the GI

Hal Donahue...clarification please..
You indicate you are not dismissive of Mr Islam's associations...
But consider the allegations attributed to them as an extremist hit on the messenger?
Or were you directing those comments to me?
If so isn't that like an extemist hit on the questioner? :)

Hal Doofus writes:
Actually Murtha said the surge is working and he said so way back when. Friday, he was at Ft Drum checking up on how the Army was reportedly trying to get VA to curtail business. Murtha is doing what Murtha always has done - watch out for the GI

It would be better if the GIs were to watch their backs with one half of the Backstabbing boys in Fort. Murtha's likely to stick knives in them.


Ron
"..But consider the allegations attributed to them as an extremist hit on the messenger?
Or were you directing those comments to me?
If so isn't that like an extemist hit on the questioner? :) "

I and about 70% of the country are so sick of personal and professional attacks on anyone that displeases extreme conservatives that we do not pay attention or listen. I said therefore I hope that was all the comments were about. No one is listening to the nonsense any longer. So I hope the attacks are more of the same not "real"

CVN65-LJ7392-Ssgt
Don't be too hard of Hal Doofus. Hal has been on the skids since Shrillary started nosediving. If I was Hal Doofus, I would be looking over my shoulder. Shrillary was said to be inVINCEible and she might FOSTER some ill feelings towards her staff when she loses.

Georgetwin/CVN65-LJ7392-Ssgt
You watching the debate tonight? LOL

onceamarine
I assume demons in your post is a clever reference to Democrats. If so I would note that one of the things that has been striking about the difference between the Bush (W) years and the Clinton years is that when we have seen the people who were not meant to be put forward, the Clinton people will competent, while the Bush people were not.

Now if one opposes the policies of the democrats (or demons if you prefer) that may be a bad thing. The fact that Clinton had competent lawyers was a bad thing if one was hoping he would get kicked out of office. But, I do expect that in a democratic administration people will be more likely to have the basic skills that anyone applying for such a job would normally be expected to have. I do expect the people put in charge of science related business will have some experience with science, and the people put in charge of emergency management will have experience with emergency management, etc.

And I would hope that experts on the muslim world are not under the belief that they will get cooties if they actually interact with muslims.

Hal Donahue
writes, "Islamofascists did not take out two buildings a terrorist organization called Al Q lead by Osama did. Remember those names?/?"

No, refresh my memory. Is Osama the gay freedom loving guy played by a purple dinosaur on television? Perhaps I have him confused with an islamic radical jihadist with a similar name that wants to destroy the United States and everything we stand for especially freedom, kinda like you Hal.

Hal writes, "UFOs didn't but GW fiddled or whatever while a hurricane did take out a major city"

I will take the blame for that. I was having lunch with Charleton Heston and misplaced his staff. The hurricane should have been smited and rendered harmless. Also, I believe Obama was otherwise occupied and could not be rushed to NO in time to negotiate a peaceful surrender. Damn that FEMA, those people expected better. They patiently waited on their porches for the government to come wipe their butts for them, feed them and provide them everything they might need or want and it took way too long. Gee, should a person set back a little food or water with a hurricane in the forecast. Nah, count on the feds for help, spend the money on more crack and hope it misses.






Hal Donahue
Why would I? I have no interest in hearing Lies, Fiction and Comedy all at once!

Hal Doofus writes:
Georgetwin/CVN65-LJ7392-Ssgt
You watching the debate tonight? LOL

I've got better things to do than watch the Witch and Braindead outpromise each other on new governmentprograms.

BTWHal here's a little organization that won't be getting DemVoteVet support:

http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.org

Correction
Web site is http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com

LJ7392
Notice how Hal seems to laugh seemingly out of nowhere and for no apparent reason? Wasn’t there a Shrill, Arrogant, Female Dog of a Presidential Candidate who did that also? WAIT, don’t tell me! Her name is on right on the tip of my tongue…

Hal Donahue it seems to me that
the only messenger getting attacked, was Stephen Coughlin, for bringing a message of warning to the Joint Chiefs.

Are you trying to say that it is really Mr Islam, with all his questionable associations, that is being attacked unjustly in the article?

Or are you saying that Islam in general is being unjustly scrutinized and characterized by Mr Coughlin in his IPB in the first place?

Or....what? :)


Hey Hal
while you are fixing FEMA for the next disaster, I want double mocha lattes when they show up and I want to be able to pick my own design for the visa check card. If I can't pick out the interior furnishings of my temporary housing then what the &*% good is the government anyway.

I'll need a generator to furnish electricity, I have a handicapped permit, got one from the guy on the corner, you know. Oh, and I don't wake up before noon. Don't send anyone around earlier then that. When I do wake up, I expect a hot breakfast and a shower, what do you think this is the dark ages?


Islam
We fought a cold war that cost this nation 13 trillion dollars. We fought a war in Vietnam that cost us $250 billion dollars plus! America keeps fighting all of these that are not wars for us ;but, for Wall Street. Communism denied people private property and capitalism. So, Wall Street is mad as hell at Russia because they could not promise us 40 acres and mule to conquere the West. The Islamic nation dont believe in usury. This would be the down fall of America is the lost their high price credit cards and their sub prime loans. It is against the Koran! They believe the oil belongs to all the people of Iraq. It seems to me we are in Iraq because Bush can not steal the oil in Iraq or any other muslim nation with out military force! The sanctions on Iran would be lifted to day if Bush got a major oil contract signed. Until Iran lets American oil companies control its oil, all we are going to do is look for ways to pick a fight with all of the muslims country who want to control their own natural resources.!

Islam
We fought a cold war that cost this nation 13 trillion dollars. We fought a war in Vietnam that cost us $250 billion dollars plus! America keeps fighting all of these that are not wars for us ;but, for Wall Street. Communism denied people private property and capitalism. So, Wall Street is mad as hell at Russia because they could not promise us 40 acres and mule to conquere the West. The Islamic nation dont believe in usury. This would be the down fall of America is the lost their high price credit cards and their sub prime loans. It is against the Koran! They believe the oil belongs to all the people of Iraq. It seems to me we are in Iraq because Bush can not steal the oil in Iraq or any other muslim nation with out military force! The sanctions on Iran would be lifted to day if Bush got a major oil contract signed. Until Iran lets American oil companies control its oil, all we are going to do is look for ways to pick a fight with all of the muslims country who want to control their own natural resources.!
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