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Tuesday, May 08, 2007
Frank Gaffney :: Townhall.com Columnist
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On the Amtrak train to New York a few minutes ago, the conductor announced, “If you see anything suspicious, please report it to the authorities immediately.” If Islamist-front organizations like the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and its friends in Congress have their way, however, this sensible, prudential announcement will have to be amended: “Be advised: If you do make such a report, you may be sued.”

Could it really come to this? It could, if the Democratic leadership in the House of Representatives gets away with an effort to deep-six legislation approved last month with the support of 109 of their caucus’ members.

According to a Republican memo circulated before the vote, that legislation is designed to ensure that “any person that voluntarily reports suspicious activity -- anything that could be a threat to transportation security” will be granted immunity from civil liability for the disclosure.” It “authorizes courts to award attorneys' fees to defendants with immunity” and would apply retroactively to activities that took place on or after November 20, 2006.

That date is significant, of course, since it was the day when six Arizona-based Muslim clerics were removed in Minneapolis from an aircraft operated by US Air. The deplaning occurred after fellow passengers did what my conductor urged those on his train to do: They reported suspicious behavior.

The six Islamist clerics – now universally known as the Flying Imams – reportedly engaged in behavior that seemed designed to trigger alarms. Such behavior is said to have included: praying ostentatiously before boarding the plane, changing seats to sit in pairs in unassigned seats (by some accounts in a pattern reminiscent of some terrorists’ modus operandi), making loud statements in Arabic that appear to have included derogatory comments about America and requesting unneeded seat-belt-extenders – which can, in a pinch, be used as weapons.

Following understandable expressions of concern by as-yet-unidentified fellow passengers, the crew consulted with airline and local and federal police. The decision was taken to remove the imams. In a lawsuit filed in March by CAIR on behalf of the imams, these “well-respected, religious leaders…felt degraded, humiliated and dejected as they were led before airport patrons and passengers who looked at them as if they were criminals.” In addition to suing US Air, CAIR is going after unspecified “John Does” – namely, yet-to-be-served passengers, flight attendants and airport personnel the Islamist organization contends acted “with an intent to discriminate.”

Some perceive in the imams’ behavior – and CAIR’s effort to capitalize on the response it fortunately and predictably precipitated – an intention to use our civil liberties to diminish America’s preparedness and capacity for dealing with domestic threats. At the very least, this caper plays into the hands of CAIR as it promotes another piece of legislation, the End Racial Profiling Act (ERPA) of 2005 whose original co-sponsors were two prominent leftists in Congress, U.S. Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) and Rep. John Conyers (D-MI). Continued...

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The dumbocrats
will end up getting us all killed with their stupidity. If they deep six this bill they have put a death warrant on all of us.

Special rights for potential terrorists
The Democrats are going to get us killed. I can no longer fathom how any thinking person can continue to support the Democrat party.

It fits the pattern
Greater rights for potential terrorists. It fits with the Dems history. Here's an idea. In the "post Imus era" it's understood that use of terms like n*****, na********* H*, etc have potential consequences, including being labeled as a racist and a great likelihood of losing your job. What if we adopted the premise that Islamists who choose to pray ostentatiously, switch seats on the plane, make loud derogatory statements about America in public, etc understand that in the "post 911 era" those actions have consequences too. If you choose to conduct yourself in such a manner, then accept the consequences.

Is this where America is going?
The WORLD is at war with the young radical Muslim terrorists from the Wahhabism sect of the ultraconservative forms of Islam. It makes little difference what we or others in the world believe unless we do as they do, renounce your God, and believe as they do or you are DEAD.

I just wonder where the Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Chamber of Commerce, etc will be when this great nation starts suffering body bombs in our local Wal-Mart or how about having our elementary schools taken over by radical Muslims like what happened in the Beslan, Russia, school hostage crisis (also referred to as the Beslan school siege or Beslan Massacre), September 1, 2004. Three-hundred forty-four civilians (344) were killed, 186 of them children, and hundreds more were wounded. What type of drill just occurred in Washington, DC? I believe it had to do with terrorism and IED.

Terrorists are already here and will become citizens when the comprehensive immigration bill is passed and this goes along with President Bush’s North American Union he is forming with Canada, United States, and Mexico. I would suggest the reading of, Terror at Beslan: A Russian Tragedy with Lessons for American Schools by John Giduck.

Read more about the radical Muslim and not the moderate Muslims who are quite different. By the way, they do not like them either. Look up the country of Chechnya and read about how they live and teach their children. The delight in cutting off the heads of their enemies and their kids love it.

The radical Muslim terrorists from the Wahhabism sect of the ultraconservative forms of Islam. It is a psychological fact that the greatest predictor of future behavior is past performance and you really need to read the Terror at Beslan: A Russian Tragedy with Lessons for American Schools by John Giduck.

Here is an article you might want to read to see where we are headed.

Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union

Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.

By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:48am BST 07/10/2006

As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were "in a state of civil war" with Muslims in the most depressed "banlieue" estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.
It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones.
The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the "taboo" of attacking officers on patrol has been broken.
Instead, officers – especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups – faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals.
Senior officers insisted that the problem was essentially criminal in nature, with crime bosses on the estates fighting back against tough tactics.
The interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is also the leading centre-Right candidate for the presidency, has sent heavily equipped units into areas with orders to regain control from drug smuggling gangs and other organised crime rings. Such aggressive raids were "disrupting the underground economy in the estates", one senior official told Le Figaro.
However, not all officers on the ground accept that essentially secular interpretation. Michel Thoomis, the secretary general of the hardline Action Police trade union, has written to Mr Sarkozy warning of an "intifada" on the estates and demanding that officers be given armoured cars in the most dangerous areas.
He said yesterday: "We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their 'comrades' free when they are arrested."
He added: "We need armoured vehicles and water cannon. They are the only things that can disperse crowds of hundreds of people who are trying to kill police and burn their vehicles."
However, Gerard Demarcq, of the largest police unions, Alliance, dismissed talk of an "intifada" as representing the views of only a minority.
Mr Demarcq said that the increased attacks on officers were proof that the policy of "retaking territory" from criminal gangs was working.
Mayors in the worst affected suburbs, which saw weeks of riots and car-burning a year ago, have expressed fears of a vicious circle, as attacks by locals lead the police to harden their tactics, further increasing resentment.
As if to prove that point, there were angry reactions in the western Paris suburb of Les Mureaux following dawn raids in search of youths who attacked a police unit on Sunday. The raids led to one arrest. They followed clashes on Sunday night when scores of youths attacked seven officers who had tried to arrest a man for not wearing his seat belt while driving. That driver refused to stop, and later rammed a police car trying to block his path.
The mayor of Les Mureaux, Francois Garay, criticised aggressive police tactics that afterwards left "the people on the ground to pick up the pieces".
david.rennie@telegraph.co.uk

A recomendation,Top Assistant...
...if you want people to read your comments,please use a little editing i.e.stop repeating yourself and stop cutting and pasting.Use a link and people who are interrested in pursuing your point will do the research.I skipped most of it.

Just a suggestion.

raj
No thinking person does support the Democrats. They do not think, they feel. Unfortunately, one of these days they are going to feel very bad, courtesy of Islamic terrorists.

Of course, they'll blame President Bush.

Next thing
The next thing they will want to repeal all of the Good Samaritan laws.

Letting these Imams sue the passengers is stupid and intended to have a chilling effect on any one inclined to report things out of the ordinary.

This country
is going to go down the same road as Britainstan if we keep giving these potential terrorists special rights. Britain now has sharia law being practiced all over the country.

We have Muslims demanding special rights in Minn., the taxi drivers who don't want passengers with alcohol or seeing eye dogs in the cabs.

Schools are putting in special "foot washing" devices for them for their prayer times.

Can you imagine Christians asking for special privileges like that and getting them? The ACLU would be there quicker than you could blink, but not when it comes to the Muslims.

This is OUR country!!!!!
Seems to me there is a constitution in this country, ( the US ) that talks about subversion.


This is true and can be checked at
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If t hose are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia ." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society .. Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths!

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Peppermint
How about the school in San Diego that made the teacher take down the banners in his class that said "In God we trust" and "All men are created equal."
for fear that those banners might offend someone.

Imagine!

The link: http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=18295509&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=6


-writes
Hey -writes,

Please read Nam65-66 wrote to Top Assistant. It applies to you as well. Synopsize your information and provide links. Let US decide if it is worth reading. You'll get better results that way, and probably get more people to read your posts.

Thank you.

Imagine
Thanks for the link Packrat. That it happened in Ca. is not surprising, but then it wouldn't be that surprising in any state anymore. It would be interesting to see if that school has or is planning special foot washing stations, or separate rooms for prayer, or segregated PE sessions for muslim students.
Parents in every community need to start monitoring their schools for just such disparities.

Taproot

Silly
It sure seems mighty silly that we have to even worry about getting legislation to protect good citizenship. Is this "right to be offended" granted somewhere? I haven't seen it anywhere except in various employment laws that prohibit perceived offensive behaviour.

Packrat
http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=zieves&date=070424

Thanks for that link. Here's one that should give everyone goose bumps.

Maddening and disheartening
Thanks Peppermint,

It's maddening that it is not only happening, but that our tax $$ are being misused yet again. What's dishearting is that our religions, Christianity and Judaism are being threatened by the same people. Ham is anethema to Jews and some Christian sects alike, yet nothing would be done if a ham sandwich was dropped near them.
It appears to me as if leftists are pulling another item out of their (I'll leave where to your imagination), and are daily bringing us closer to an (un)civil war the likes of which will dwarf the "War of Northern Aggression."
That last was said tongue-in-cheek, so don't be getting on high horses about the South never letting go.
Taproot

The Imams

Pepp!! Excellent insight as usual. What worries me most about this scenario is the abuse of our judicial system. These imams and their (pro-bono) shyster lawyer(s) will probably will go judge shopping, probably in the 9th Circuit (left coast), to find a sympathetic judge and file their lawsuit there. If they win in the lower court, there is always appeals. If the 9th Circuit Appeals Court upholds the ruling, there is one saving grace.
The 9th Circuit is the most overturned circuit by SCOTUS for their ridicules rulings. Unfortunately, this process is very time consuming and costly and US Air might decide to settle to save money.
Ain't democracy wonderful?
BrianR!! I bet you can share some horror stories about the 9th Circuit.




Taproot
You are exactly right. Some orthodox Jews do not eat ham either, but they would not even think to bring this up as a hate crime.

Madness is governing our country right now and it's getting worse.

I believe the school which is accommodating the Muslims is in Minnesota and they are providing special wash basins to wash their feet because that is their religious practice to wash feet after their prayer calls.

Now, can you imagine a school placing a font of holy water in a school so Catholics can bless themselves at the noon Angeles prayers?

Packrat
Thanks for the link. I wonder how the 9th Circuit judge will rule on this case. Should be interesting.

With giving
Muslims special privileges in schools this is crossing the line of separation of church and state.
Why is the ACLU allowing this? They fight for this issue when it involves Christians.

By the way, the tax payers are paying for the special foot washing devices in that school I mentioned.

Shari'a is already here and established
The CAIR crowd is too late about establishing shari’a law. It is already well established in America and defended passionately by the bar and the bench. It is called the family court system where all the ingredients of shari’a law are present: gender based justice, presumption of guilt in case you are of the wrong gender, polygamy (we use a nicer word ‘affairs’ to describe it), secret proceedings, limited appeals. The only difference between CAIR”s version and the US family court version is the gender that is discriminated against. If you truly want to fight gender-based justice, the enemy is not a Podunk group like CAIR but mighty titans like the ABA and the National Association of Family and Reconciliation Court Judges

town hall format
I Find it very distressing that when I go to the second page of your various articles, that the right third of the page is covered by your adds for town hall and others. Trying to read an article when 1/3 of the page is covered by an add is quite annoying especially when the 1st page was good enough to make me interested in reading the 2nd page.

Prejudice against islam
Perhaps I am prejudiced against the religion of the barbarians and murderers. I would be ashamed of myself if I were not. [Semi-quote stolen from Mark Twain]

another book
I'm reading Londonistan, if you want to see what can happen here read about what HAS happened in England. Also the usual suspects Feingold and Conyers enough said.

Yeah, but
... this legislation asks Democrats to... excuse a class of activity from civil liability -- meaning: people who do it can't be sued.

When did Democrats ever agree to that? There's a penumbra hovering over the Constitution, after all, that says all lawyers and citizens shall have a right to sue. No matter what.

You don't seriously expect Democrats, the ABA's hands-down favorite members of Congress, to eliminate even one chance to bring a lawsuit. Do you?

Matthew
"The John Does, assuming they were acting in good faith, already have nothing to do worry about."

Really, the two elderly passengers who made the report have nothing to worry about?

According to one legal scholar, if this case goes before court, this couple's attorney would have to turn over the record of them reporting this incident to the imams'lawyer as it would come under the "discovery" clause.

So, now how would you feel to know that these suspicious imams are not going to take some kind of action against you, knowing who you are and where you live, other than a court action?

Some other potential outlawing
While we're outlawing stuff like ham, let's accommodate radical Mormons and outlaw cola and coffee and cigarettes...

(Please note: For the irony-challenged among us, the above is NOT intended as a comment, pro or con, on Mormons or Mormonism, or to imply that there is such a thing as radical Mormonism)

Matthew
Quoting you 'If every time I get on a plane, and see a Muslim in garb, I make a false report about how he was talking about blowing up the plane, should I be immune from prosecution?"

No you would not be immune. Your intent would be a false report, IE perjury, not a "good faith" action, kind of like filing a rape report in NC when one did not occur.

Jeeves
I got your satire. :-)

Now, why don't we outlaw breathing for infidels since this is the ultimate goal of radical Islam?

Islamic laws
Don't the democrats see, and understand that virtually every war going on in this world,have Muslims on one side trying to force others to convert to Islam? They are out to dominate the world, and they will not stop.

We must put the democrats back in the minorty (way in the minority) before it's way too late.

Holy Water
Peppermint,
What a great idea. Catholics, or other religions can take the self-same school districts to court to force their religious need be met. Hmmm, bet the ACLU would be all over those cases like (supply your own description).
Schools that cater to the one religion that would like to destroy or subjugate us all will find (hopefully) that they have opened a Pandoras Box on themselves. Let us pray so.
Taproot

Losing our country
The muslims have already told us that they are going to take over the U.S. by using our constitution and our laws against us. It would
appear that this activity is well underway!

Taproot
Yes, I think it would be a really good idea. Catholics (and I use that one since I am one) can request holy water fonts in the schools. After all, we are supposed to bless ourselves before our prayers with the holy water.

I have to laugh to think of that ever happening. Can you imagine the ruckus that would break out on the MSM. Every headline would be "Catholics trying to force their religion" onto the state and have the tax payers foot the bill for their idiotic religious beliefs.

Then, 24/7 we would have nonstop coverage about the separation of church and state. Every member of the ACLU would be on all the MSM news outlets decrying this over bearing papist religion and just who do they think they are. It would be non stop bashing and outrage.

It would cover the NYSlime's front page for weeks, if not months. :-)

Report Gaffney's Suspicious Activities
I'm awaiting a mea culpa from Gaffney for being one of the talking heads who formed the lying neocon chorus who helped lead the nation into a needles, reckless, costly invasion of Iraq. But I'm not holding my breath.

Wouldn't it be interesting if.........
Have you ever wondered if you could remove all your friends and innocent folks from a situation as a lesson to those left behind.
Leave all the appeasers and equal rights for terrorist folks in their own country and just watch what happens. They would fairly quickly end up like the French who are slowly waking up to the fact that all the appeasing in the world will do nothing but get you taken over quicker. The left that so loves its gays and other things these terrorists so dispise would learn a hard lesson. There are just some you can't appease. There are some people in this world, whose only aim to take over the world and make it in their image. You can't appease these folks. You either submit, fight them or somehow change their minds.

Re: -writes
If you follow the snopes link, you will find that what that comment says is true... up to a point...

Once you reach this line:
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.

You are reading what somebody else said or wrote, not the Prime Minister of Australia, or anyone else in that government, for that matter.

I have a solution for the Flying Imams

All domestic airlines need to upholster their seats in pigskin.

Bottom-Line
Find out if The Islami-Psychos go to their 72 Virgins & all The Wine they can drink if they are killed by an Infidel. If so, Look & Load!

Islamization on the Left
Let's face it, Frank, Islam is the plague of the 21st Century. And as long as the Liberals of the World keep caving in to them, we're going to have a quick WWIII. We'll lose before we realize the war is on. We have to recognize this now and stop fooling ourselves. The Muslims aren't out for fair treatment, they're out for a quiet invasion, terroristic if necessary. They want the World.

The Democrats are so good at retreat and unwillingness to defend their own country against all enemies foreign and domestic, they march in lockstep with the efforts of the Muslims to 'theocratize' the country in Islam's own image. They won't let little things like the Constitution and the American Public thwart their headlong drive to oblivion.

The Liberals seem so afraid of the Muslims, that they're willing to bend over backwards to accommodate them in every way. With Islam, the Liberals see no church-state conflict [nor does ACLU apparently---the Muslims aren't Christian or Jewish.] They see no terroristic problem in the increasing Islamic influence on daily life. They want to leave Iraq to the Muslims so they can put the whole area into an active rush to World terrorism and conquest. I guess the Liberals are ready for conversion or else---those slimy cowards!

The post-with-no-name about Australia sounds too good to be true, but it's the kind of effort we need here at home---fully and without rancor. We must have sanity and strong efforts from Congress and the President or we are lost, and I don't want to be lost.

For you Liberal readers, this is not paranoia. It's a sane reaction to reality. And we have to work together to combat the plague, or we will be annihilated by it. You should be waking up instead of calling Conservatives names.

CAIR, etc.
"Secure thy good through victimhood
From sea to troubled sea."

The _C_abal for _A_nti-_I_nfidel _R_epression can $ue me! I need the money!

So some ba$tards think they're going to take us over via the Constitution? The Second Amendment says they're *dead wrong*. (And I haven't fired a gun in 33 years.)

Pig leather seats
Packrat, good idea, although the airlines ain't gonna spring for that amount of money just to offput some poor islamic schmuck. It would also be bad for vegans too. Unfortunately, it would also negatively impact on our Jewish brethren.
Now, a less drastic would be if passengers took on bags of fried pig skins. We'd get the immediate pleasure of annoying h*ll out of islamists, but get to enjoy a good snack, if we could get a beer or two to go with em.
Taproot

Taproot
Sounds good to me,
used to know an agnostic Jew that loved to eat pork rinds just to aggravate the other Jew in the office.

Or each flight could have drug sniffing dogs check out the passengers, I understand they don't like dogs either.
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