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Tuesday, November 03, 2009
Ed Feulner :: Townhall.com Columnist
Curbing a Constitutional Crisis
by Ed Feulner
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These are the times that try conservatives’ souls.

A liberal president wants funding for defense slashed. Congress aims to increase taxes and regulate just about everything. Activist judges create new “rights” while ignoring long-standing precedent.

So why remain upbeat? Because our country still has the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. They’re the touchstones of our liberty -- and the conservative trump cards in the battle of ideas.

Arguing with Idiots By Glenn Beck

“We don’t need to remake America, or discover new and untested principles,” writes scholar Matthew Spalding in his latest book. “The change we need is not the rejection of America’s principles but a great renewal of these permanent truths about humanity, politics, and liberty -- the foundational principles and constitutional wisdom that are the true roots of our country’s greatness.”

In short, we need a roadmap back to where our country should be. That’s where Spalding’s “We Still Hold These Truths: Rediscovering Our Principles, Reclaiming Our Future” comes in. It outlines the core principles of liberty, details the progressive liberals’ assault on those principles, and explains why and how we must defend and reapply them if we are to save our country.

Every American should know the founding principles of our country. “The meaning and power of these ideas will be lost in the course of a lifetime if they are not taught to each generation of students,” Spalding warns. “The public mission of our schools in the past was to transmit this knowledge to young Americans as the most important requisite for democracy. This must be the mission of our schools again.”

But there’s no need to wait for a new generation of citizens to rise and lead us. Elected officials should also act.

“One small step in this direction would be to require all legislation to contain an explanation of its constitutional authority, compelling at least a consideration of each proposal’s constitutional legitimacy,” Spalding writes. Policymakers should also work backward, reviewing existing laws and regulations to ensure they pass constitutional muster.

“Too many programs, once started, are automatically reauthorized and become part of the permanent bureaucracy,” Spalding writes. That’s why Congress should “periodically review and authorize anew every major program, creating an ongoing mechanism that would work against the steady, automatic expansion of government. Rather than assuming their permanence, Congress should subject government programs to regular reevaluation of their authority, purpose, and effectiveness.”

But these days, Congress passes 1,000-page bills that most members have no time to read, let alone consider. Instead of deliberating, American lawmakers spend much of their time overseeing an unelected bureaucracy of regulatory policymakers.

In fact, Spalding notes, “Although the Constitution vests legislative powers in Congress, the majority of ‘laws’ are promulgated by administrative agencies in the guise of ‘regulations’ --a form of rule by bureaucrats who are mostly unaccountable and invisible to the public.”

Of course, as lawmakers retake their traditional role, judges will need to reduce their intrusion into policy-making.

“It is generally supposed that judges have the final say concerning every constitutional question,” Spalding writes. “These arguments need to be challenged and overcome in the public view, both as a matter of historical accuracy and a necessary condition for reinvigorating limited government, constitutionalism, and the rule of law. By allowing the Constitution to be treated as a malleable document, we should not be surprised that the ‘living’ Constitution has deadened the political mind of many Americans.”

Sad but true. In the years ahead, let’s hope that Spalding’s book becomes a textbook to reopen our students’ political minds.

The principles of our Declaration and our Constitution must again become “an expression of the American mind,” as Thomas Jefferson once said. We can -- and must -- insist that our leaders again abide by true constitutional principles. But we also must rediscover these principles as a people if we are to reclaim our future.

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Dr. Edwin Feulner is president of The Heritage Foundation, a Townhall.com Gold Partner, and co-author of Getting America Right: The True Conservative Values Our Nation Needs Today .
 
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Sadly not new
I had political science professors in college (poli sci was my minor) who (depending on their political bent) either called for or rejected these proposals. That was 25 years ago! Maybe we need to stop talking about it and writing books about it and actually get busy doing it. There's no use bring it up to Nancy and the gang; they're too busy spending our money to pay attention to little things like the Constitution. One wonders if the Republicans who replace them will be anymore willing to listen. Maybe. NY 23 gives me hope that the conservative candidate (not just the Republican) can come out ahead. Let's hope the country has learned its lesson and is ripe for a swing of the pendulum.

I agree.
Please go here to excercise another constitutional right, which is the right to petition your government.

http://www.c4strategies.com/ImpeachObama/impeachobama2.html

Tax Payers Vs Tax Consumers
The current struggle and polarization is between tax payers and tax consumers. Tax payers are those who actually pay taxes while creating wealth and the tax consumers include everyone in government, corporate and individual welfare recipients.
We are dangerously close to a tipping point where tax consumers out number tax payers.

Death by a Thousand...
The courts are bleeding our Constitution, and our nation.

It's like a death by a thousand hemmoroids.

Painful - and being bled to death in such a way is so unexpected and unobserved as to be invisible.

Bill Writes:
Satan is our enemy and Satan is around us and does control some people.
===================

Satan is a cow eared demon of the Egyptian underworld that practices Baal.

(Baalshevism)

Bolshevism is the female party.

The male party is the Menshevik.

The Mensheviks are a bunch of wimps that hang around capitulating while waiting for their piece of the stimulus bills.

The Bolshevik and the Mensheviks are two heads on the same sausage making machine

Not a Suggestion!
The Constitution is not a suggestion.

I don't know what its going to take to get that concept through the thick skulls of the politicians and the citizens, but if we don't stand on that principle we're going to keep on sinking in the mire of ever-growing bureaucracy and ever-shrinking freedom.

LET US HOPE
That the "replacements" in the Congress and high offices are NOT either of the "two party" system!
What is wrong with Ron Paul?? HE at least will see to it that the government becomes responsible to it's employers--We The People.

I have been saying this
for years.
I can remember the Bill of Rights being displayed around the classroom on posters that looked like un-rolled parchment, we had to learn what each one meant and why it was important.

Is that done today? I doubt it, most kids don't have a clue and neither do their parents who vote.

Too many people have no idea where the fed gets the money they so gleefully waste on their vote buying schemes..time they woke up.

Teach a little econ 101 along with the constitution.

tell me again

why this does not apply to he defense department? It is government. And it keeps getting bigger and bigger.


“Too many programs, once started, are automatically reauthorized and become part of the permanent bureaucracy,” Spalding writes. That’s why Congress should “periodically review and authorize anew every major program, creating an ongoing mechanism that would work against the steady, automatic expansion of government. Rather than assuming their permanence, Congress should subject government programs to regular reevaluation of their authority, purpose, and effectiveness.”

Nonsense, utter nonsense
To suggest that congress should periodically re-authorize major programs ... nonsense. Ed Feulner understands this deep down, where he stated that the judicial system interprets what the constitution means ... and that is a major part of the problem.

In engineering, I once saw a designer incorporate a form of redundancy control (an over-ride intended to kick-in if other incorporated systems might fail), that he called a WRMI. WRMI was an acronym which stood for "We Really Mean It". Our constitution contains everything the founding fathers felt essential to define our government, but they never presumed that clear language expressed rules could be "re-interpreted to meet the needs of the day" by later generations. In essence, our constitution contains no WRMI provision.

I'm a proponent of clear, concise, amendments which in their simplicity strip away the power of justices to convince anyone that they mean something else. In defense of the founding fathers, who could have forseen that something as simple as "the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" could be assigned new meaning?

I'm in favor of a new constitutional convention, with the purpose of simply amending our existing constitution to add WRMI language. Our constitution only takes a couple pages, from start to end. It wouldn't take a thousand pages to express each and every stipulation in an unambiguous way to express that We Really Mean It.

Take the 2nd amendment as an example. It's only one sentence long! It'd only take one more sentence to add: "'Shall not be infringed' means congress shall pass no law for the purpose of making it illegal for the people to keep and bear arms".

Try it, it's easy. The constitution could be made completely "WRMI" within the capability of nothing more than a few pages. If we wish to save this republic, we need to express that what our constitution says, it means.

Biff
I don't know about you, but I think congress and the senate would much better serve me and you if they did spend their time reviewing existing programs. That would take them away from writing meaningless garbage law, and trying to endlessly campaign. It would be something useful to do. Then they really could cut the expenses of govt. by rooting out the crap instead of adding to the pile.

I know I'm dreaming here, but the guys with the biggest axe could be the heros instead of the ones with the unending supply of govt. provided pens to write government checks with. Maybe I'm just too idealistic, but that would be one step closer to heaven on earth, don't you agree?

Doc,
I agree, the framers were very clear that they gave us a blueprint for the building of a successful republic. They just never envisioned that there were so many corrupt morons who believed themselves more intelligent than they were.
Someone needs to explain to the narcissist in chief that the constitution is not "flawed" and if you don't like defending it as your oath demands of you, step down so we may install someone who actually understands and reveres it as written.
Seems to have worked pretty well for 233 years with just some minor adjustments, an RCH here and there so to speak.

tinkling in a tornado
That is all this article and subsequent comments amount to. Until we get a choker chain on the commerce clause, the necessary and proper clause and the general welfare clause there lies little hope for government reform. These three are the nexus for a great majority of the mischief coming out of Washington.

brad
promise them massive year end bonuses as a percentage.... bonus for saving the taxpayer money -- not costing as under the present system....

put a bonus on it and let the slashing begin

Seawolf
Yes your right, but the public grade school class rooms of today have no resemblance at all to the classes that we went through. You will find no signs of American Patriotism, anywhere! Teachers are allowed to decorate their individual "home rooms" pretty much the way they want.And being that most teachers are Liberals, you will find the walls covered with "Feel Good" phony awards for mediocre students and, of course, posters creating an atmosphere that pushes Socialism. Not individuality.

As an Electrical Contractor, I've done a lot of remodeling work in the California schools. And was shocked to witness some of these things first hand. As an example, when you and I were in school and the teacher called your name for roll call, we simply answered "here." It was hard to believe, but I saw it as I was working in one of the rooms when class started. The kids entered the room with faces looking like Zombies, and when the roll was called each and every one answered.."I'm a winner." Obviously, programed.

Most of us who respect our Constitution know what "Should Be Done" But our present government will do nothing to correct what they have created. Plus, the way I see it, the problem is far greater than government now. We have a huge segment of American citizens who have been indoctrinated (brainwashed) by these schools. How do you 'undo' that?

Useless
"One small step in this direction would be to require all legislation to contain an explanation of its constitutional authority, compelling at least a consideration of each proposal’s constitutional legitimacy,”

They would just invoke the "Elastic Clause" and that would be that. The Constitution can mean anything one wants it to, it is like reading Nostradamus--do you think the Framers really felt a person could be told by the government what crops he could grow on his own land or who he had to serve at his own business or what legal products he could and could not allow to be consumed on his own property?


Mother of 4
"The Constitution is not a suggestion."

But it is rather vague and can mean a variety of things to a variety of people...what exactly does regulation of interstate commerce mean exactly? Does it mean a state can't allow its citizens to grow pot or a farmer to grow wheat or not? Does the right of privacy exist or not? What exactly is an unreasonable search? Does the takings provision of the 5th amendment cover only public use or can public good also be included?

Akagi
I would argue that the constitution is intentionally vague, since it is a series of compromises. The ink was barely dry when the founders began arguing what it meant.

Most of the federal government's involvement in the economy is justified by the interstate commerce clause. When it was written most people grew their own food, and interstate commerce wasn't that important. Today you can buy vegetables flown in from South America. Almost everything is in interstate commerce.

The founders were wise men, but they lived in a world that had more in common with the middle ages than the 21st century. The federal government claims the right to control all aviation in the US and has since the Coolidge administration. Is that what the founders intended, or did they want each state to control it's own air space. The question is unanswerable.

Goshawk,
I guess to undo the damage inflicted on the kids it will take something that most would consider draconian.
A president who will stand up and say what has happened and call for a complete review of all school curricula and the removal of anything that impacts negatively on the founders vision.

It will take a benevolent dictator to do that, we are that far down the road.

Of course, if things keep going the way they are, it might come to that after the new American Revolution.


The Enumerated Powers Act
This Congress' power is typical for a Congress that considers itself unconstrained by the Constitution's enumeration of its limited powers

Reversing that delusion is the goal of the Enumerated Powers Act (H.R. 450, S. 1319), introduced in June by Representative John Shadegg (R-AZ) and Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK.

The Act would require all legislation introduced in Congress to contain a concise explanation of the constitutional authority empowering Congress to enact it. Failure to comply would make a bill subject to a point of order, a procedural device to delay con­sideration until the problem is corrected or the objec­tion overruled.

Here is the link.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/LegalIssues/lm0041.cfm

sjpatejak
Owing to the case of Gibbons v. Ogden in 1824, I am pretty sure that the Framers (who aren't the same as the Founders, some of which were violently opposed to the Constitution and saw it as an anti-revolutionary coup)would view air space as a domain of the federal government at least that is how the Marshall Court in Ogden saw it. Not much legal difference from giving the federal government the ability to regulate navigable waterways and giving them the ability to do the same with air space.

"When it was written most people grew their own food, and interstate commerce wasn't that important."

This didn't seem to matter either. See Wickard v. Filburn (1942) where the court ruled that the government had the right to regulate the wheat grown on your own land and only for your own consumption.

"The founders were wise men, but they lived in a world that had more in common with the middle ages than the 21st century."

I agree with this. Too much stock is placed on what the Framers thought or intended in relations to today, the world we live in today would be as alien to them as life on some distant planet would be to us. They were not gods and in many ways would be clueless on the issues facing us today. An agricultural, almost 100% British society clinging to the Eastern Seaboard of some 4 million people is quite different from a multicultural, multilingual, multi ethnic society of various faiths of 300 million and spread out from the Caribbean Sea to the fringes of East Asia.

Seawolf
"It will take a benevolent dictator to do that"

So you plan to defend our liberties is to have a dictator? The way the Romans looked to Julius Caesar and the French to Napoleon to defend them.


"removal of anything that impacts negatively on the founders vision"

How would you treat slavery? Like it or not it existed and a number of the founders were fully involved. Jefferson and some other slave owners may have spoken against slavery, but except for Washington, none of them actually did anything about it.

Seawolf
"A president who will stand up and say what has happened and call for a complete review of all school curricula and the removal of anything that impacts negatively on the founders vision."

That is a pretty broad statement, so say a look at say American genocide, forms of American imperialism, racism, violation of the civil rights of its own citizens, coddling various dictators would be well removed? You should perhaps do an internship with the Ministry of Education in Tokyo, they can show you how to really white wash text books so you only get the "America as a guiding light on the world" version in books--You propose what, American Propaganda 101 for incoming teachers so they know how to really push that vision. Yes, I know the left tried this to, but the right having their own perverted view of history is no more valid than the left's version.

And where does the Constitution give the president the authority to decide what is taught in American schools? Shouldn't this be the domain of the states and their creations (school boards and the like). You seem to be violating your own standards, we usually call this being a hypocrit.

I think we had enough of federal meddling with Bush and NCLB, we need less federal involvement in education, not more.

Some conservative you turned out to be, huh?


Akagi
You are correct. Enough already from the feds meddling in education. Their involvement has only created mediocrity in our school systems.

Lawyers & The Georgia Colony
When the colony of Georgia was established, intially it did not allow alcohol or slaves, and it is believed that it did not allow lawyers as well...

http://www.historywiz.com/georgia.htm

Even back then, lawyers were a scheming lot not to be trusted. Lawyers invented the concept of the "living Constitution" which was not coincidentally the exact same logic and phraseology British Parliament used in the years leading up to 1776 to justify their egregious taxation of the Colonies.

Nice Thought Anyway
America is steeped and awash in ignorance and brainwashing from far too many years of Socialism and un-Constitutional government. Far too many of us do not even know the Constitution or much less could not recognize or even understand the concept of Constitutional government. We have stood back since 1910 and allowed un-Constitutional practices - one after another -to steadily creep in until now our government cannot possibly be characterized as CONSTITUTIONAL and our economy cannot be characterized as free-market capitalism with the artificial controls of the 150% UNCONSTITUTIONAL FED. The experiment is OVER. Socialism has found a way to overthrow us - to beat us at our own game. They have been able to secure the cooperation of a "free" press in brainwashing the masses with non-stop 24/7/365 lies. The Founding Fathers knew the importance of a free press; that's why our First Right is the right to free speech. The Founding Fathers could never have seen the day when the press willingly would subvert the truth or when news organizations could be allowed to be owned by FOREIGN COUNTRIEs. 7% of Fox's NewsCorp is owned by Saudi Arabia, the country that it is believed paid for Obama's education at Harvard via a Muslim radical. Has anyone noticed how Fox has completely downplayed or blacked out coverage of the recent Birther case in California??? Rupert Murdoch is trying to buy a new network in Saudi Arabia, so I think you catch my drift. What you think is good journalism is being controlled by Big Business just as they control their prostitutes we elect with Corporate America's money in DC. Without a free press, America is doomed. All good Socialists and Communists know this, and the Founding Fathers knew it quite well.

Take Back the Government
Britain has a living constitution, and nobody denies it. The British constitution is unwritten and changes with the time. On paper the queen has vast powers, equivalent to the US president. However, if she tried to use them, it would be declared unconstitutional.

The American colonies were not part of the United Kingdom, and as such did not enjoy the same rights and protections. Parliament regularly made laws for India. Nobody considered this unusual or unjust (except for Gandhi and the Indian people). When the United States acquired the Philippines, the Filipinos did not enjoy any constitutional rights.

"The Founding Fathers could never have seen the day when the press willingly would subvert the truth or when news organizations could be allowed to be owned by FOREIGN COUNTRIEs."

The founders could indeed see the day when the press would willingly subvert the truth. It was understood at the time that the press was highly partisan. Read any account of the mud-slinging in the presidential election of 1800. They could never have seen the day when newspapers were owned by anyone but the men who printed them. They were small business not giant corporations. You also seem to be implying an alliance between communists, socialists, and big business. They're enemies and always have been.

Remove all people

There is one and only element that causes the problems, where ever they occur.

PEOPLE

citizens, gov't workers, bankers, and on and on.

Remove all people and all problems would disappear.

Common GOP Constitutional Ignorance
1.) Neocon Nation-building is Constitutional and Conservative - WRONG! Expecting an Arabic or nomadic tribal society that has operated with that form of government for thousands of years to suddenly embrace democracy is foolhardy insanity.


2.) America should be an Empire! - WRONG! Our Colonies were fighting the largest army and navy in the world at the time. The last thing our Founding Fathers wanted was for us to become an Empire and enforce our will and standard of government on other people. They saw "empire" as a foolish waste of money and lives and contrary to the right of any people to establish their own customs and forms of government however they choose.

3.) The lobbying firms in DC is 100% legal and that's just the way business is done! - WRONG! It's BRIBERY - look it up in the Constitution! It's supposed to be punishable by IMPEACHMENT. Fat chance getting these crooks in DC in either party to follow that one!

4.) The UN is a great organization, and so is NATO. What's wrong with the North American Union and Illegal Immigration? What's wrong with NAFTA and GATT? It's all good for business; we're a global economy now! WRONG! The Founding Fathers warned against foreign entanglements and alliances. The Constitution refers to the AMERICAN PEOPLE, not the Mexican or Canadian or Latin Peoples or PEOPLES OF THE WORLD. The GOP and Democrat Party's embrace of NAFTA has outsourced so much of America's manufacturing base and factories. Militarily, this is suicidal to export your manufacturing base and factories overseas. How else can we retool for war? During WWII, our manufacturing base was all in place? Could we again become an overnight "arsenal of democracy" without our factories and manufacturing base in place if we were to be enthralled in another World War???


Cont'd...
5.) Socialism is great, and it's Constitutional! Besides, it's "Compassionate Conservatism" Yeah, that's the ticket! That'll get those older FDR & LBJ socialists to the polls. Hey, it works fine in Europe! WRONG! Socialism is just a PC-euphemism for THEFT - pure and simple. Do we need safety nets in society - sure! Do we need permanent safety nets??? ABSOLUTELY NOT! The Founding Fathers stated quite specifically that when the People learn they can vote to get something for free, our system of government will be over, and the People will no longer be free. Americans did not have an IRS before 1913. Americans kept ALL of their paychecks before 1913. Can any of you imagine what it would do for SAVINGS or the ECONOMY in this country overnight if WE THE PEOPLE could once again keep ALL of our paychecks???

6.) What's wrong with supporting public schools? The Federal government is providingfor the "general welfare" by assisting States with funding of public schools. WRONG! Nowhere in the Constitution does it state that the federal government has any jurisdiction whatsoever in the public school system. Congress has completely misinterpreted the clause, "the general welfare" to mean endless pork-barrel spending on ANYTHING! State welfare is not necessarily "the general welfare".

Will many self-professed "conservatives" in the GOP wise up to these Constitutional principles??? I doubt it! Will many in the GOP want to follow these Constitutional principles after wising up??? Not with the candidates they continue to elect that are a part of the system or soon will be when they get there and partake of the lobbyist whoredom

sjpatejak
Big Business embraces Socialism when it removes costs they would like to get rid of to help their bottom line - like healthcare. They also love it when it grants them taxpayer bailout money like TARP did. They despise it when it tries to take over their businesses and regulate their salaries. It's a love-hate relationship that for a long time has been mostly love in this country, but lately they just might be wising up to it. The American "corporate" media is what I was expounding on. By corporatizing American media, they opened the door to foreign influence in the American press, which is unconscionable to the Founding Fathers intent on having a free press - free to be partisan or whatnot but always free and AMERICAN. The American Press as such is willingly engaging in subversion of the truth to serve their globalist masters. They aren't even vetting ANYONE unless they oppose their globalist masters. They aren't even enforcing Constitutional muster unless it serves their globalist masters. That was the point I was trying to make.

Courts Gone Wild
Someone should post a video of all the judges who run over public opinion and declare votes on various Propositions as "un-Constitutional.")

It's a farce, because these same courts of appeal have no fealty toward the Constutitution. They only use if for toilet paper, to wipe away whatever public declaration they wish to ignore.

These are the courts which ought to be demolished, brick-by-brick, Judge-by-Judge. These are the ones Jefferson admonished us to watch out for. These are the ones who would starve a region of water in order to save a useless fish.

Problem is, they're like Gremlins, and overturning them is like pouring water on them. They only seem to multiply. And we have a Chief Expletive who's going to re-stock, whenever nature empties the shelves of these monstrous idiots.


Take Back The First Post
Please.

1.Nation building should not be on the table, but unfortunately we don't supply all of our own resources and materials. Therefore we are at the mercy of other nations and their internal situation which then affects our national security/interest.

2.Who the heck ever said we should be an empire? A few bases in random countries that pay us no tribute nor money does not constitute an empire. They are simply used to maintain a presence in places where there is potential for future conflict and/or to help us reach those places. All bases are bought and paid for every year from the nation where they reside.

3.Lobbying is perfectly legal, as long as no money/gifts exchange hands between politician and lobbyist. In theory, all the lobbyist is is a paid advertiser to help a politician understand a point of view.

4.Surprisingly... I agree with you.

Your follow-up post makes a bit more sense and I mostly agree with you.

Another Note About No. 4
When you remove a country's industrial base, you remove it's primary means of generating enormous wealth and capital and growing its economy. Knowing this all too well - it's Economics 101 - the globalist Powers that be that run both parties in DC and own the Fed have pre-ordained the destruction of American industry but not American high-tech, communications, and American agriculture. They want the various areas/trade blocs of the world to be completely interdependent economically in order to pave the way for eventually world government and this requires economic specialization. By Socialist "Conservatives" and blithering "useful idiots", the Socialist, Marxist Democrats continuing to support this insanity, they are paving the way for a GREAT DEPRESSION PART II. They are denying their country a means of generating wealth and buying the suicidal globalisty PC bull DC and the MSM and even Talk Radio are feeding you.

Re: tell me again
tell me again

why this does not apply to he defense department? It is government. And it keeps getting bigger and bigger.

===============================================
This is the point of this whole article. Bill, all you have to do is take the time and READ the Constitution:

Preamble:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENCE......

Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENCE....

Come on, I know you're probably a peacenik and can't stand the military, but providing for the common defense of the United States is ONE thing the government is SUPPOSED to do.

Ghost of the Republic
For number 1:

Nations are perfectly capable of solving their own internal conflicts. By interjecting US troops into a civil war, you are needlessly expending US lives and treasure.

For number 2:

The US military is in a lot more than just a few countries. This is a needless waste of taxpayer money. The Constitution does not designate the US will be an international cop.

http://www.alternet.org/story/47998/

For number 3:

If the Washington firm, Dewey, Screwem, & Howe has client, Company XYZ, paying for a Congressman's "trips" or "fact-finding missions"(READ: vacations) to exotic places, paying for cocktail parties for Congressmen, golfing outings, and free meals and tickets for Congressmen to sporting events and promising millions of campaign dollars for special legislative favors and promising lucrative 7-figure positions on Corporate boards for Congressmen as payback for being a good little prostitute, THAT IS BRIBERY! The GOP, the Dems, and their willing accomplices in the MSM and talk radio have whitewashed this practice, but it is an end-around of the American People. It takes the People right out of the government and supplants us with Corporate America. When and only when Congressmen and Senators and the President run on the People's dole, then they will do the People's bidding.

Re: Ghost of the Republic
OK, TBTR

Your first point. I don't quite understand what you mean by "interjecting US troops into a civil war..."

Are referring back to Somalia, or Bosnia??? You can't be referring to Afghanistan. We entered that country to disrupt, destroy and eliminate the base of operations held by the Taliban and Al-Queda. Those who attacked us on 9/11. We are still there to ensure they don't return to power and to give the Afgan people a chance to form a government and society that will not be oppressive and totalitarian. There is no civil war. Just disagreements between tribal factions that exist there on how that government and society should look.

A new constitutional amendment . . .
could help restore constitutional parameters.
"Congress shall pass NO LAW that does not apply to itself or any federal agencies or individuals in federal service. Any LAW passed beforehand that exempted Congress or any federal entity or individual is hereby NULL AND VOID".

Heeding the Constitution another matter
The USSR had some high principles and lovely sentiments in their founding documents, but they ignored them. Having a Constitution and a Declaration of Independence does little good if they are ignored - or "interpreted" to support whatever those in power want to do. If the bill passes in any form, we will move rapidly toward a compulsory single-payer system. It is the regulations the administration implements that will determine the real costs and shape of socialized medicine, and these bills give Obama near dictatorial power to make those choices. The only way to stop this abomination is to make it absolutely clear to our representatives that THEY WILL BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE IF THEY SUPPORT IT. There is a website where you can pledge to vote against politicians supporting the bill. Representatives will then be informed of how many votes they are losing. It is called http://www.PledgeOfLiberty.com


Contintental Congress 2009
This is exactly why a Constitutional Congress is convening this month to discuss these issues and determine what can be done.
I hope everyone keeps informed about the proceedings as they happen.

LISTEN TO THEM...
Liberals admire Marx! Marx....this is getting really bad now. We have been invaded by the enemy and the enemy is from within. I have seen people agreeing with Marxist dogma! Obviously, they just want the fruits of others' labors. The "czars" respect Chinese dictators too. The Constitution is under attack folks. I remember talk of separating Iraq to create 3 "states". We may see a separation here with failing states continuing to pursue socialism to their destruction. I just hope my state's citizens shun such movements.

changing
Sorry folks, the constitution has been scrapped.
That happened in 1861. Where have all you people been?

One of these days you're going to get it
Say we do all this, then what? Say we vote the Commieqrs out, then what? Soros & Co. just take their marbles and go home never to trouble the Republic again?

What happens with that hard core 30% of Americans who are irreducibly and incorrigibly commieqr in their world view? You know the 30% that show up on every poll and have you saying: “How the hell can they be so stupid/crazy as to think THAT!?

What makes any of you think to the slightest degree that you can educate, or convince, or change these people in any way?

They just going to quit? Their leaders, manipulators, puppet masters just going to say: “Well it was a nice try, we give up forever now.”

For that matter what happens with that Moronic Mythical “Moderate” “Middle” “Swing” voter who W.F. Buckley pointed out is eternally, steadily, creeping toward Socialism? Gonna wave your magic wand and they all suddenly become enlightened Constitutional Conservationists?

I will tell you again and I will keep telling you until the Tree of Liberty is either Cut Down or Refreshed by its “natural manure.”

In the end you are going to have to kill a significant number of these Tyrants, Proto-Tyrants, and Tyrant Enablers if you are going to keep your Sacred Liberties.

If that is so horrible for you to contemplate that you reject the idea out of hand, then you might as well start licking the boot that will eventually be on your neck, now.

Mick

I've been saying what Spaulding said for
years. So what? Until we have some in Congress with cajones to insist on internal review of every program and law, it's just another idea in a book. WE NEED ACTION---not words and now, books won't do it either.

Take Back the Government Location
What section in the constitution about lobbyists? Just curious.

Can I disagree with you on foreign policy? I call US foreign policy the Arafat Solution. Pay local power groups billions of dollars to pretend for peace. Tell them if they actually achieve (or if they succeed) that all the money will be taken away (this is what is happening in Afghanistan and it happened in Vietnam, and ME peace). It creates the worst incentive for peace (or success) ever. So I don't blame Arabs for no peace or democracy. I completely blame US foreign aid for no peace and no democracy.

I completely agree with you on GATT, NATO, UN. Like communism they look great on paper, but dealing with sociopath regimes and business makes contracts pretty useless. The contracts become a mockery of their intent. It's what happens when sociopaths get a hold of something completely based on symbolism. Free trade with China and Russia? Are you kidding??? I am certain our businesses are going to get "free" trade. Any contract (backed by nothing) in the Hobbesian world of Foreign Policy is about as good a the paper I used in the bathroom about 10 minutes ago.

It's difficult to map out
a pathway back to our traditional fondation and principles because we have for president a fellow who is not culturally one of us; he's culturally an Indonesian Moslem.

There was good reaso he bowed to the King of Saudia Arbia, Islamic royalty. Obama sees the King of Saudia Arabia as a premier voice for his, both of theirs, culture.

Likewise, there''s reason why an enemy of Christianity, Obama, has repeaatedly insisted the USA is not a Christian nation; regardless upwards of 85% of Americans self-identify as Christian: he's thereby pushing his countercultural, Islamic, agenda.

The Big Mick
I agree!

I have been saying for a long time, that the only way to take back our government and country is by armed force.

How?
There's a lot of "what" needs to be done here. What's needed is more "how".
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