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Wednesday, May 20, 2009
Ed Feulner :: Townhall.com Columnist
Salvaging Social Security
by Ed Feulner
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Following the news from Washington has never been easy. But there’s an added challenge today: the problem of large numbers. It’s almost impossible for anyone to really grasp the idea of a billion, let alone a trillion. Even the experts get confused.

“I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me, but I think it’s -- it went from $1.75 billion to $1.84 billion,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said recently when asked about the national deficit. He quickly corrected himself: “a trillion -- I’m sorry.”

This isn’t a trivial difference. A billion is a thousand million, and a trillion is a thousand billion.

Why does this matter? Frankly, our economic well-being depends on it. The Social Security Trustees recently released their 2009 annual report, and it’s packed with numbers that are difficult to comprehend. But it’s critical that we try.

In “net present value,” the report says Social Security has promised to pay out $7.7 trillion more in benefits than it will receive in taxes. “Net present value” means Congress would have to invest $7.7 trillion today to have enough money to pay all of Social Security’s promised benefits between 2016 and 2083.

That’s more than twice what the federal government will spend this year on everything it buys. And again, this investment would be on top of the funding Social Security will collect through payroll taxes.

The big numbers matter more this year. Lawmakers have passed an $850 billion “stimulus” bill. President Obama has set aside hundreds of billions more for health care reform.

But as they embark on a historic spending spree, policymakers are beginning to lose a windfall they’ve come to count on. Starting this year, the annual Social Security surpluses that Congress has been borrowing and spending on other programs will begin to shrink. That means larger deficits today and less money for Congress to spend in the years ahead.

The Trustees say these surpluses will disappear for good in 2016. Social Security will then start paying out more every year than it takes in. Lawmakers will have to raise taxes or slash spending on other federal programs to pay benefits.

Sure, there’s a Social Security trust fund filled with IOUs. But, unlike your 401(k), there’s no real money behind those -- just a promise by one wing of the government to provide money to another wing. The real money will have to be taxed or borrowed, as is the case for all government spending.

What does this mean for you? Depends on how old you are.

Workers at or near retirement age have nothing to fear. Social Security remains solvent and can afford to pay them full benefits, including an annual cost of living increase. And at that time, there’s little doubt that political pressure will force Congress to act to keep benefits flowing.

The news isn’t nearly as good for younger workers.

They’ll continue to pay Social Security taxes throughout their working lives. But they shouldn’t expect to get back everything they invest. They’ll also be on the hook to fund some $6 trillion needed to repay the Social Security trust fund in the decades ahead.

The time to act is now. Lawmakers should begin raising the retirement age, so future workers pay in longer before they can collect benefits. They should also create personal retirement accounts which, like an IRA, would allow individuals to set aside a small portion of their Social Security taxes -- real money -- in accounts they would own and control.

It won’t be easy, but we can preserve Social Security for future generations. The question is, do we have the will to do so?

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Dr. Edwin Feulner is president of The Heritage Foundation, a Townhall.com Gold Partner, and co-author of Getting America Right: The True Conservative Values Our Nation Needs Today .
 
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Too Bad
I know how sad we all are that Bush didn't succeed in privatizing Social Security in 2004. By about 2007 and 2008, it would have been so character-building and exciting to see our retirement income investments, relocated from DC to Wall Street, drop by 30% or more. And how boring it is when that same old-same old Social Security comes through reliably, month after month.

Uhhh.... oh boy...
" In “net present value,” the report says Social Security has promised to pay out $7.7 trillion more in benefits than it will receive in taxes. “Net present value” means Congress would have to invest $7.7 trillion today to have enough money to pay all of Social Security’s promised benefits between 2016 and 2083.

That’s more than twice what the federal government will spend this year on everything it buys. And again, this investment would be on top of the funding Social Security will collect through payroll taxes. "
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2016 and 2083 are 7 to 74 years away from now, and by 2083 our national yearly tax take will likely be...(doubling take every ten years as usual) 3Tnow,6T,12T,24T,48T,96T,192T,384TRILLION as the taxes collected to be spent in 2083.
Now, ya think maybe with 384Trillion there for just one years of taxes there just might be an extra 7 trillion you claim they need by the time 2083 rolls around even though you say we need it NOW - which we DON'T since the government already collects MORE thatn it pays out every year.
All they will do is simply ADD a total to the empty lock box IOU's, we should hope - but instead they will SCREAM it's "empty" and raise taxes as soon as they don't take in enough to pay out the beenfits and still have 80-160 BILLION per year extra collected on the 15% total payroll FICA ripoff...
I am SO SICK OF JERKS MISCHARACTERIZING 75 years into the future outlays.
Good, you hate social security and it's TRILLIONS TRILLIONS TRILLIONS behind already...
How about you fess up how they take more in than they spend on it, and they just LOOT the rest and spend it on whatever the hell they want ?
Ya wanna start on them robbing us NOW, instead of whining they're short for the future ?
HOW ABOUT THEM ROBBING US NOW ??! ?!
HUH ?
YA GOT A HANDLE ON THAT YOU IDIOT ?
HEY THEY'RE ROBBING US NOW YOU GOD FORSAKEN IDIOT!

Interesting

Before SS, families and churches took care of the elderly, most of which lived their final years at home.

Now most of our elderly die far away from their families and churches in 'nursing homes' (places where our senior's remaining monies are taken and where they are neglected until they die a lonely death).

In our culture, long supported by our increasingly socialized government, our youth are glamorized and our elderly are cast aside and dishonored. This is in sharp contrast to other cultures that honor and respect their elders.

Obama has no use for the elderly - they are not productive and merely drain the resources of an otherwise overburdened populace.

In our current socialist state, the elderly will be among the first thrown under the bus by Obama.

Nationalized 'anything' is a huge, cruel joke on the American people and will merely destroy the remains of our once great country.

But, what can we do for our own elderly when we ourselves are becoming increasingly strapped for money by an increasingly onerous and unlawful government?

We begin by taking care of our own families and by forcing our government to obey the law in ALL of its actions. When government lives within its lawful purposes, it will shrink, our taxes will decrease, and we will have more of our own monies to help our own families.

The government has NO business dealing in any social programs, and this ponzi scheme called 'Social Security' has to end before we can proceed further down the road toward our own self determination.

I am within the age of retirement and I realize my comments, if implemented, would effect me also. It's OK. I understand how bad all socialism is for our country, and I’m willing to forego any entitlements due me. I want our country to thrive and prosper, and I understand it can't do so under an unlawful and socialistic government.

We must return to our Founder's limited government - only then will these problems get resolved.

If FDR really wanted a
Social Security program that worked, he would have set up something that was privatized in the first place.
SS is a PONZI scheme, it might have worked longer if the GD dems under LBJ had not put the money into general revenues to fund his lousy "great society". They stole the money and continue to do so today.

This system should be totally privatized and could be even now.
Done over a 20 year time frame, a system like the FERS which fed employees have would easily replace the present system. The dems like Reid bragged that they shot down Bush's attempt at privatizing even a small portion of SS, they got away with it because nobody thinks anymore.

Look up the history of this stupid vote buying scheme since it's inception and if you have half a brain, you'll never vote for another democrat.

And now you better watch out for your IRA and 401K's, this bunch will be looking to roll those into SS to "help" you...gotta share the wealth remember comrades?

Lilly, if you had half a brain you'd be dangerous,if SS money was invested in the country by the citizens rather than wasted on welfare and other gov't boondoggles to the tune of a trillion a year our economy wouldn't need "stimulating" in the first place.

SS should not be fixed.
The program should be phased out. It should be done with an eye toward weening the public off the dole with as little pain as practicable.

Agreed
Social security is a criminal enterprise that needs to be abolished outright. Any attempt to "save" it is foolish and shortsighted.

Highlander Juan, 7:03 AM.

Juan... really well said. Keep posting.

WHY??
First why does these so called conservatives keep getting articles in here? A large part of conservatism is an adherence to true federalism. It also certainly does not look to government at any level to be a provider or trustee for people. Government is to protect life, liberty, and property, and when any of these are violated to engage in the legal system for justice. Where does this writer get off suggesting that someone else has a right to take my property and manage it for me without my consent?
Social Security from the get go was and is illegal. FDR knew this, but pushed it using the normal smoke and mirror phraseology to disguise what he was truly doing. He knew that once it was put in place, it would take immense effort to undo it, particularly playing the morality card, a la; why would anyone want to take away someone's safety net?
This needs to be stopped now, PERIOD! Sorry MR. Feulner the real question is who will have the fortitude to stand up and fight to abolish this illegal abomination. How sad that one must be a cowardly crowd pleaser to hold office in this country.

increase of chaos
Another problem with the federal government doing this, is that the error rate increase highly. I'm not a mathematician, but I know that when one takes limited beings such as those that compose Congress and continues to give them areas of responsibility for legislation, that the result will be a more degraded system.
They cannot have the wisdom, understanding or knowledge to deal with every possible aspect of life, yet they continue to expand the scope of legislative responsibility. This means that the accumulative errors will be of a greater magnitude, due to the largeness of the area of oversight. This is one of the reasons that limited government is so important, to lessen the likelihood of damage that will necessarily occur from creating a more complex and unwieldy system.
Alas, the ego of politicians and their messiah complex makes the battle so difficult. Who can convince one that thinks HE/SHE is the ONE with the answers and ability that HE/SHE is not the answer. Yet one more reason that characte counts, in this case the humility and willingness to acknowledge one's limitations, and the limitations of government for solving life's problems.

death of S.S. by a thousand cuts

LBJ was EASILY the most destructive POTUS of the last 100 years. It was on his watch that S.S. began to be disemboweled-- demographically, there SHOULD BE a HUGE trust fund there, but instead there is just a MONSTER IOU. Payouts to retirees are already mainly transfer payments-- effectively welfare.

LBJ needed to pay for his new Great society (welfare) AND Viet Nam-- what they called then "paying for guns and butter." So he was the first to raid S.S. for general tax expenditures-- now it is just one MONSTER I.O.U. with NO TRUST FUND.

A sad reality-- the ObaMessiah seeks to do EXACTLY the sort of things that LBJ did... we have squandered $11 TRILLION on "the war on poverty" which resulted only in broken families and welfare queens and FAR worse social pathologies (gangs, drugs, crime, illegitimacy's, dropouts) among the underclass.

And yes, tolerating ILLEGALS simply gives us a new underclass of guvment dependents in training... a liberal demographer described what will become social welfare commitments for ILLEGALS as "the mother of all entitlements." Such costs will total $2.6 TRILLION per Heritage, and result in 100 million over 20 years in new mostly poor and largely ignorant citizens if 12 million are given amnesty as now proposed by the Left:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1490.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm

Still sound like "cheap" labor to you?!?!

Lenard is right
Don't you just love "conservatives' with their panties in a twist over the darling of all Communist causes? The Social Security Act, part of Title 42 of the United States Code, was enacted in 1935 as a U.S. government sponsored, voluntary supplementary pension program for the benefit of individuals who voluntarily wished to participate. The trust between this writer and the Social Security Administration has been terminated and rescinded/revoked nunc pro tunc because when challenged the Social Security Administration was unable to locate or verify an original application for an account. As a result it was determined that the account established and number assigned was done so... improperly. I will not steal one thin dime from my children.

There is your solution comrades, don't take the money, give back the card EVEN IF THEY SAY "YOU CAN'T".

demythologizing S.S.
re:
"Do you still want part of social security privatized?"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well yes, actually!

The pro-guvment ilk loves to bray of late about the recent stock market crash-- ironically CAUSED by the guvment demanding that banks make sub-prime mortgages, and aggravated by the quasi-guvment Fannie Mae, which was bankrupted by the crooked Clinton appointee Franklin Raines, who paid himself millons while cooking its books.

Both left AND right in guvment deserve censure for deregulating financial institutions... repeal of Glass-Stegall under Slick Willie Clinton was a mistake... and we should always regulate those loaning other peoples' money. Some further bray that the market dive proves that it would be "too risky" to allow people to retain and invest part of their own S.S. extractions.

Several cogent points--

Current S.S extractions are HUGE (over 14% of every paycheck, counting the employer match-- which also dissuades the hiring of Americans and encourages outsourcing or even hiring ILLEGAL alens) and are simply spent as general tax revenues-- they are lumped together with IRS revenues as "the common fund." NOTHING whatoever is invested or saved by the guvment for future SS payouts!

Ergo, ANYTHING which resulted from privatization savings and investments would be an improvement!

Second, notwithstanding the recent market correction, the markets have returned 9-12%+ over the long-term-- versus NOTHING from S.S., which is simply a transfer payment to current recipients-- or, effectively, welfare!

Third, all federal workers and members of Congress have privatized retirement plans--THEY do not want to have to rely on S.S., which THEY are spending in Iraq, on welfare, on the bridge to nowhere, etc.

Why should Middle America not get the same opportunity that federal workers get to invest THEIR retirement funds?!

dated but interesting analysis

...about the myth of S.S. (written 10 years ago)

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/1999/0599frank.html

excerpt:
Many people, when discussing the Trust Fund, apparently have in mind a great heap of money stacked high in some underground vault. As more boomers retire, the SSA opens the vault, dusts off the cobwebs and doles out the cash.

But there is NO SUCH PILE OF MONEY. When excess payroll taxes come into the SSA, the cash is turned over to the Treasury which, in turn, issues interest-bearing bonds to the SSA. The Treasury then spends the cash on welfare, roads, weapons, tax cuts.

Today, nearly one-third of federal revenues derive from the payroll tax, perhaps the most regressive of all federal taxes. Of this money, about one-fifth is not needed to pay current Social Security benefits. It is credited to the Trust Fund, but is destined, in fact, for general government spending.

Conservative economists understand all too clearly that the Trust Fund bonds are nothing more than a promise that society will one day be asked to keep.

the great shell game


Once they began spending S.S. extractions on anything other than S.S. recipients, the original commitment of guvment became a fraud-- that shell game began 40 years ago.

Today, S.S. is a major dunning/income tax to pay mainly for profligate big guvment... only a small portion represents true S.S. support payments as originally intended and promised.

The "trust fund" is simply part of the shell game/fraud... for the payers, it is simply a scam I.O.U.-- THERE IS NO TRUST FUND!!!

an even bigger Ponzi than you think
re:
If FDR really wanted a
Social Security program that worked, he would have set up something that was privatized in the first place.

SS is a PONZI scheme, it might have worked longer if the GD dems under LBJ had not put the money into general revenues to fund his lousy "great society". They stole the money and continue to do so today.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

When they set up S.S., it was NOT really intended to be voluntary, nor did it become so. Further, there was a HUGE shell game-- they set up the retirement age of 65 which was the average life expectancy then.

In other words, the guvment on average would simply have a HUGE source for dunning the taxpayers. Today, S.S. is EASILY the most burdensome payroll tax the lower half pays, since they pay no income tax.

Sorry Lilly
I am with the government and we have access to such a program unlike the public. Mine only went down 10% and now with the Market up it has recovered all of it and gone up another 4%. Plus there is an option in it to just invest in Gov't. bonds and simple interest and you can avoid investing in the market if you choose. You need to do som research before making such unsubstantiated statements. SS should be a choice to each of us, not mandatory. But then again, being a liberal you may not be favor of choice for Amercans.

Greenspan
Where is Greenspan when we need him? He swindled the American taxpayers into the biggest tax increase in history with his Greenspan Commission. Total to date $2.5 trillion and still going, skimmed from FICA and laundered through the General Fund.

How Long Before DC Makes A Grab for 401K
It sounds preposterous, but the only way for Obama and the congressional lugnuts to fund any of their work is to make a grab for more and more private property: 401(k)s. They'll just confiscate them like they're confiscating everything from privately-held corporations to banks and issue you I.O.U.s They will spend it along with everything else and we'll end up right back where we are or worse.

When a government can exceed its explicitly granted authority again and again without any outcry from the people, why wouldn't it continue to do so? They're is nothing to stop it.

So solve the problem, already...
Response #81 to Stossel's column. We have to eat the frog sooner or later, so we may as well do it now.

the Feds are Laundering Money
They spend money earmarked for a trust account and replace it with a t-note. They pay off the t-note with another t-note. Eventually they just print more money to pay off the accumulated t-notes. The problem is that you can't create and buy your own note. It's a xfer between your left and right pockets. It's like hiring yourself and saying you have a job.

Bad Math Dag
Your assumption of doubling every 10 years would require a growth of >7%. No way no how can that growth be assumed. The latest discussion on the growth being bantered about with the Obama 10 year numbers were around 2.2%

The articles point is entirely valid, SS is just another government ponzi scheme about to go bust. IF SS is to be fixed somethings need to change.

Personally, even with the latest downturn, I would have prefered to see my to date payments into SS of >100K (with no return), plus yet over 15 years before I can collect under my own control.

reply to: Luckydog1
Thanks for your honest and forthright post at 11:31.

The left LOVES to bray about the chance of loss of privatized funds invested in the stock market. I teach college econ and business... the truth is that over time, even factoring in the Great Depression, the market has returned 9-12% consistently. An investor loses in the short run ONLY if s/he sells and incurs the loss.

But consider the alternative! The big lie about S.S. is that while it takes 14% (counting employer match) of every paycheck, NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING is really invested by the guvment-- the monster dunned funds are simply lumped into the "common fund" with IRS revenues to pay for Iraq, the bridge to nowhere, etc. This is why S.S. is the most punitive tax of all on the lower income people-- and it is the ONLY income tax they pay.

And most people falsely imagine that S.S. alone can support them in their golden years.

And you are RIGHT-- why can guvment workers control their equivalent of S. S. but the rest among us cannot?!

Social Security

Just another modern day problem caused by Liberals.

SS will wait...
SS will wait until BHO creates all the other socialist programs. Once our economy, our health and our freedoms are under government control, our remaining "private" income can be used to create elder camps, allowing us to retire our elderly with all the dignity group housing and assembly-line care can provide.

Does anyone actually believe there will be money left for SS, medicare, etc., once these other huge programs are underway?

Alecto: a government takeover of 401(k)s will begin with the savings of US government employees in the Thrift Savings Plan (a 401(k)). What a huge untapped source of funds to "borrow" from. It can become a "trust fund," too.


Oracle 1
I've asked your question about why can only government workers have this option and never have gotten a sufficient answer, but I suspect it has to do with Congress giving themselves this perk, sor they wouldn't have to be in the paltry SS system, so they thought they better give a smaller version to the rest of us gov't wonks. Congress' retirement system is way better than what the rest of us get. Again, congressional privilige is open and blatant.

lilly thinks (?) it is too bad Bush did
not succeed in privatizing Social Security in 2004. That the market drop of 30% or more would be devastating.

Instead, she feels that 4-fold increase in the Federal debt that will burden our future generations is just fine.

lilly, sweetie, what would have happened if Bush had also managed to put some reins on FannieMay, FreddieMac, and CRA? After all, sweet lilly, the instability of the market was a direct result of your party's insistence on forcing banks to make unsafe loans. Those were the poisonous assets that brought down the market in the first place.

Yeah, too bad Bush could not privatize Social Security and monitor Fannie, Freddie, and CRA.

Raise the SS income

The big mistake is that Bill Gates pays SS from 12:01 Jan 1 until 12:35 Jan 1.

Since the idea is to help old people in their old days, SS income should be collected on all income of what ever kind.

Of course the percentage collected will not be the same as it is now, but remember, the only money the government has is what it takes from you.

This could go on for pages.


Get rid of it!
Get rid of social security. I am sick of paying into something I won't get a thing out of. Any one a social security now can get it but everyone else better start saving up! I would rather put money into my own private account that I control, rather than trusting the government (especially this one)]

Who is John Galt?

Better Option
Let us opt out. No taxes, no benefits, no ability to use funds from anywhere else BUT Social Security witholdings to pay for it all.

Let only those who want to be on SSI pay into the program. Leave the rest of us out of it. The program will die all by itself that way.

What
There is something wrong with our Social Security? What another LIBERAL LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Havent they been telling us that since Bush was President and he requested that something be done , didnt they tell the world that nothing was wrong with Social Security. Wow just like nothings wrong with Welfare, Foodstamps and other Free Government Handout Programs. Why would they want the people who they promised all theses FREEBIES that something was wrong with them after they bought their VOTES with these programs.

THE CHICKENS WILL SOON BE COMING HOME TO ROOST

Ed Fuelner
First of all, thank you for not suggesting that
we get rid of Social Security. After the
recent stock market tank, I didn't think that there was a single person left who thought
privatizing SS a good idea. But as I was to
learn there is a whole group of people who
simply can't put two and two together to forsee
things in the future. Unfortunately, some of
those ended up in Congress.

For as long as I can remember, people have known that we were not taking in enough money
to pay for Social Security in the then distant
future. The Congress couldn't see beyond their own re-election and the others - well,
who knows. They seem to be blind about a lot
of things.

I suspect that addressing this will be a very
difficult thing this year or the next. There
are too many other problems right now, but I
wish that people like myself (now nearly 66)
wait to collect for awhile, if they can afford
to, or keep working and putting into the system. I plan to do both. And I just thank God that I am able to do that.

I also cannot tell you how happy I am to have
Medicare. I recently discovered that I have
heart disease. Imagine what it would be like
for me to get insurance after I quit work. I
am so thankful that those who came before had
the foresight to start these programs when they did.



Frank, you forgot INFLATION
" Bad Math Dag
Your assumption of doubling every 10 years would require a growth of >7%. No way no how can that growth be assumed. The latest discussion on the growth being bantered about with the Obama 10 year numbers were around 2.2%"
Take a look my friend:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/hist.html
click table 1.1
1901 - 2009
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/sheets/hist01z1 .xls
1980 517 billion
1990 1,031 billion
2000 2,025 billion
-------------------------
They just keep inflating as the fake economy grows. You go ahead and figure what is inflation, what is growth, and how much they lie about each.
All I figured was the doubling every ten years.
Yes, it probably won't double every ten years forever, but it sure has so far.
1970 192 billion ( thats more than double to 1980 517 billion
.
1960 92 billion
1950 39 billion
....
Looks to me like they've got the same pattern for a lot more than my whole life.
...
You don't have to apologize, no way I can prove my numbers and I agree they're wrong just by chance alone -
But at least look at what I'm saying - and WHY - and see I have a solid basis for my remarks.

The problem is...
The problem is, they've been taking in more SS taxes than they payout in bennies since 1982.
IF they WOULD HAVE invested every dine in the gerneal stock market, like a safe mutual fund, since they started taking in more than they payout, that "investment" would be a lot more than the 3-4 trillion they took in over the amount they paid out, and spent anyway.
Traditionally, you can get an 8% return, or doubling every decade.
I haven't checked exactly lately, but 5 or so years aho they had already stolen 3.1 trillion from the trust fund.
The latter years that overpaid per year amount has been 80 billion to 120 billion or so.
In 1982 it wasn't that much, the overpay has grown - even so, I estimate if they had invested it, it would be about 10 trillion dollars - then when a bubble bursts, say now, it would be 5 trillion, or 6 trillion.
The truth very much seems to be that if they had put the overpayments of the taxes they sucked out from all of us in the stock market from day one, we'd have one gigantic pile of money there right now, even after the crash halved it.
Of course now, noone wants to do it. Nonetheless, aren't all the government and state pensions in there? YES -
So be consistent, st yer golldarn undies on fire, and get all those out of there IMMEDIATELY.
Don't forget to call your insurance and warn them, too - all their money they can they jam in the stock market.
Yes, it's good for everything but SS surpluses they frittered away.
MY BUTT.
The fact is, the government is so crooked and greedy, they can't keep their paws off it. Not sure how they keep pension funds in, other than their own employees in the same buildings would strangle or beat them if they didn't. Maybe that's it.

Dag is correct.
Politicians just never seem to learn. Whether it's Social security or public employee pensions funds. They have over the years, failed to fund their share regarding pensions, and have raided those funds(both S.S and Pensions) to make up deficits in other areas...the proverbial, robbing Peter to pay Paul. Now when the system is short and going broke they point fingers and talk cuts and raising the retirement age.
When will the people get fed up and push for legislation that puts these fund off limits for politicians special interests?

Comprehending the numbers
One way to help people to understand these enormous numbers is to stop using the words "billion" and "trillion" and to start writing the numbers out completely. How big is 850 billion dollars or 7.7 trillion dollars?

850,000,000,000 = 850 billion

7,700,000,000,000 = 7.7 trillion.

33,000 = the median income of US workers.

Tammy - 5/20 @ 7:19
Are you serious? Do you believe with the passage of universal healthcare at your age you will receive anything resembling treatment for your heart problem? I am sorry you cannot face the truth, but it is YOU who is responsible to take care of yourself and your health - not me, not Congress, not rich people or everyone else. It is exactly millions with your mentality that has put the country in this overextended state!

I fear you and alot of naive socialistas have a rude awakening coming. When the healthcare rationing begins, as it must, whom do you think will be the first affected? The young and productive? Or the old and retired who account for the majority of healthcare expenditures?

You just keep pointing the finger at Congress, but it would serve you better to start making plans for yourself.
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