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Wednesday, October 31, 2007
Ed Feulner :: Townhall.com Columnist
Maneuvering Against Missile Defense
by Ed Feulner
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There’s simply no pleasing some people.

In the 1990s, Congress decided it was time for the United States to build a missile-defense system. This was a reasonable -- even overdue -- step. After all, we’d been completely defenseless against any sort of missile attack since the missile had been invented.

But not everybody liked the idea.

For example, in 2000 the Union of Concerned Scientists issued a report that questioned the technical feasibility of a Ground-Based Midcourse Defense system. The report claimed it would be extremely difficult to hit an incoming missile, especially since our enemies would likely employ countermeasures designed to confuse our defense systems.

“Past U.S. missile-defense tests against missiles using ‘countermeasures’ did not demonstrate that defenses could defeat such countermeasures,” the scientists insisted. Since “an attacker could deploy such countermeasures before even the first phase of the NMD system was operational,” they added, “it makes no sense to begin deployment.”

To give these scientists their due, it is indeed difficult to “hit a bullet with a bullet,” which is what a mid-flight missile interceptor must do. But what they failed to take into account was American ingenuity.

Last month, about 75 miles above the Pacific Ocean, a “kill vehicle” from our bare-bones missile-defense system did what these scientists said wouldn’t be possible in practice. It destroyed the mock warhead of a long-range missile. That’s especially heartening because similar technology is used in three other missile-defense systems. It wasn’t the first time UCS experts were proven wrong. Over the last seven years these four programs have passed their tests -- “done the impossible” -- roughly 80 percent of the time.

The dire predictions of the Union of Concerned Scientists have been, well, shot down repeatedly. The system works. Not perfectly (which is why we must keep testing and perfecting the technology), but far better than expected.

That hasn’t stopped the naysayers. They’ve merely shifted gears. Instead of insisting missile defense can’t work, they now declare it works too well. You see, our missile-defense screen isn’t static. It’s growing, slowly but surely. We have working outposts in Alaska and California, and the military’s Missile Defense Agency aims to place others in Eastern Europe, to protect both our allies and ourselves from possible missile attack.

The MDA says this proposed system wouldn’t keep Russian missiles out, but some scientists disagree. An Associated Press story last month quoted six scientists who “are skeptical that the U.S. missile-defense system can work.” Yet, strangely, “they believe that in terms of raw speed, U.S. interceptors in Poland could catch a Russian ICBM launched from western Russia at any part of the continental United States.”

The question Americans ought to ask is, “Why is that a bad thing?” These scientists are undermining their own past arguments. They now insist this technology can protect us, even against threats it’s not intended to thwart. That would make missile defense one of the few federal programs to deliver more than it promised.

Many of us have insisted for decades that the United States needs missile defense. A handful of others, including the Union of Concerned Scientists, have long insisted that’s not true.

But even they say the evidence shows the system is improving every year. It’s better than they ever thought it could be. Better, even, than they think it should be.

Apparently they won’t be satisfied unless the U.S. is defenseless against incoming missiles. But the rest of us shouldn’t rest until a robust missile-defense system is in place. It’s coming along very well. Just ask its staunchest critics.

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Dr. Edwin Feulner is president of The Heritage Foundation, a Townhall.com Gold Partner, and co-author of Getting America Right: The True Conservative Values Our Nation Needs Today .
 
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Emotions Distort Judgment
Many people, even scientists, allow emotions to get in the way of rational deduction. It seems to me, this is a growing trend, as, in my opinion, such as it is, an awful lot of widely respected, and unfortunately, quoted people are spewing ridiculous statements about world affairs. Many of these gaffs come from elected officials, with large, highly paid staffs, and have much influence on events and attitudes worldwide. Actually, I suspect, some of the foul gas passing from the mouths of some of these publicans and scientists have been influenced by powerful, behind the scenes, power brokers, with no regard for the long term impact upon the welfare of the general public.
Before I have to go throw up after saying that, I will get back to my original point. There is a growing trend of FEELINGS deciding the future of mankind, America, in particular, instead of logic and delayed gratification. And that is sickening, to the minds of American's, and to my stomach. Now, I gotta go.

Never did understand the logic
Of saying we're safer if ICBMs from illegitimate totalitarian police states have the ability to hit our cities, rather than knocking them out of the sky and thus giving us the OPTION of responding likewise if we want.

For if a missile gets through and annihilates New York City or even a city of a fellow NATO country, our government would have NO choice but to respond with similiar, if not more destructive force.

Because if you don't follow through that way, there is no such thing as nuclear deterrent.

BUT, if you knock those missiles down you are not obligated to irradicate cities in that country as a response. You DON'T have to kill millions of people because of the stupid actions of a government they probably didn't elect anyway.

You can do other things instead. I kind of like that.

"Rebuilding America's Defenses"
In 2000 the PNAC (Cheney, to be specific) commissioned a policy paper which all may now read online: google "Rebuilding America's Defenses". It sets forth a goal of making the United States unilaterally, militarily, and economically dominant over the entire earth and also space (space would be used for launching missiles at our enemies, which by the time we had globally dominated everything, would consist of just about everybody on the globe but us). Who could make this stuff up? Read "Rebuilding America's Defenses". This is Cheney's dream. Forget diplomacy. Just threaten to kill everybody. BTW, how many here know that we have an Air Force Space Command (although its leader of the comic book name, General Lance Lord, has unfortunately retired and been replaced by another).

Citizen Carrier
Jeez .... simple and makes sense. How come I never thought of that? Thanx!

Lily
I'm sure the Rosenbergs and others in the nuclear program who helped the Soviets develop their atom bomb 15 years ahead of schedule felt the same about America as you seem to.

In the name of "balance", they feared a world where only the United States (and perhaps Britain and France) had atom bombs. So they gave secrets to the most murderous regime of the 20th Century. Because that's how you balance things out. You take things away from the world's oldest constitutional republic that just freed the world from fascism, and give it to the totalitarian police state that replaced fascism.

Notice the Rosenbergs and their ilk weren't giving nuclear secrets to France? Or Canada? Or Great Britain? Australia? Because they KNEW none of those fellow democracies were really "threatened" by the United States having the bomb. Free people had nothing to fear from us.

No. The only people threatened by America's military might, and you know this, are countries that are NOT like the United States...or Canada...or England...or France...or Australia...or Mexico.

What we're talking about here is North Korea-type countries. China. Iran. Syria. Maybe in another 15 years, Russia (sadly).

I think America SHOULD dominate unelected totalitarian police states militarily. I think everytime they come to the table to negotiate, they should be painfully aware of their inferior, illegitimate, and ultimately powerless position. I don't want them to have any bargaining chips. No means to threaten or cajole. Perhaps then will the entirety of their hopeless, backwards affront to simple human dignity become apparent to them.

Maneuvering against missle defense
Wasn't the "Union of Concerned Scientists" a Communist front group back when the Soviet Union still existed? The Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight, but we never really defeated Communism like we defeated the Nazis and Japanese in WWII. 'Nuff said.

lilly
Any time you feel you can no longer stand to live in this power hungry nation, please feel free to leave.

But then, that would entail you standing up for your principals. On second thought, just continue to lament American Imperialism while you fund it with your tax dollars. We would not want to put you out or anything.

OH MY GOD WHAT A WASTE
This is the BIGGEST boondoggle ever and thanks to Rumsfeld.

WHAT A WASTE.

Stop with the STRAW MAN argument that any criticism of defense programs means this or NOTHING AT ALL. NO NO NO!

Rumsfeld legacy is an open ended contract of continuous improvement with NO proven PERFORMANCE requirements or full scale test or END GAME IN MIND!!! THIS MEANS BILLIIONS OF WASTE.

The so called successful TEST where admittedly narrowly defined by the contractor so they can't fail. Like running to the end of you driveway and saying I CAN DO A Marathon. The test are irrelevant to what happens in the real world or the idea of hitting an ICBM from sub-orbit.


The Missiles they have have in Alaska have never been tested. REPEAT NO Definable and proven PERFORMANCE SPECS OR REAL TEST OF ANY KIND. Small very controlled sub-test are done but no full test with the whole systems.

Ground based missile defense silos flooded out and basically meant a compete scrap of the system and redo of the design from scratch!

Off-shore floating platform which cost billions is so dubious, with so many holes in it, its not funny. Also its a sitting duck to be attacked.

The IDEA of hitting a ICBM with multi warheads, many decoys, is remote; even the experts think is unlikely. The success rate would be statistically significant. We should try but do it the smart way with out wasting billions.

Billions spent on building complete totally untested systems thanks to Rumsfeld. The idea of "Continuous Improvement" with no final design is the ultimate in waste. Very limited staged test are a joke and the ultimate WASTE.

A detailed article in Rolling Stone a few months ago went over the numbers. It will make you SICK.

I'm all for trying to develop defense technology but DOING IT THE SMART WAY. The waste is CRAZY. PERFORMACE and FIELD TESTED technology is needed, not a blank check with an edict to keep tinkering and building things we know don't work.

Citizen, right as usual
Those who are against missile defense systems certainly dont have a problem with locking their doors at night, even though the likelyhood that they will be robbed is extremely remote in most cases.

They need to think of missile defense as a big lock on the door of the country...ballistically speaking of course.

Call it...
..."The Gun Control Inconsistency".

I'd wager a lot of folks opposed to NMD probably put themselves on the side of gun control too. Likely even support the outright banning of guns.

In order to believe as Lily does, you kind of have to believe that America is essentially morally equivalent to China. Or Iran.

That they are on an even, legitimate footing with us, even though their governments are illegitimate and their power only derives from the threat of force, rather than the will of the people.

I don't happen to see it that way. Calling NMD a threat to world balance is kind of like arguing that criminal gangs should be given body armor and automatic weapons lest your city police force and armed, law-abiding civilians become hegemonic powers who can operate at will without having to consider the positions of those poor, poor thugs, thieves, dope dealers, and murderers.

It really just comes down to how you "really" feel about America and it's people. For those who think about us, me, you, our soldiers and the people we elect as Lily does...I question your patriotism.


The philosophical crux of the matter
Liberals eschew things like unilateral missile defense and put their faith in international arms control agreements.

I once asked a liberal how international arms control agreements can protect America from rogue states who routinely violate international agreements and from terrorists who don't even sign international agreements. And her reply was:

"America doesn't need protection. It's the rest of the world that needs protection from America."

That just about sums up what this debate is all about. To a lot of folks on the Left, a strong America is a dangerous America.

Unfortunately, a lot of Ron Paul supporters believe the same thing. (Memo to Ron Paul supporters: For missile defense to work, the missile launchers and airborne lasers have to be emplaced in U.S. military bases in foreign countries, exactly the bases you want to close.)

Why is no one asking...
how much missile defense costs? The figure I found for research comes to about $8 billion a year. That's $8 billion a year that's not spent on other areas, like interdiction, fighting Al Qaeda overseas, port security, security around nuclear and chemical plants. The research is making us safer from missiles, but what's it doing for our safety from terrorist acts? And which threat are we more likely to have to deal with in the next twenty years?

jetpilot , why...
...are offshore platforms any more - or less - of a "sitting duck" than permanent ground based anti-missile defense emplacements?

As a former officer in NORAD, I can't defend the current state of technology and declare that we are any where near the capability of shooting down incoming ballistic missile warheads, but I'm not willing to just roll over and die.

Do you attend breast cancer 10k. runs and scream at the women that: "they're all gonna die anyway", just because there is no absolutely perfect cure at the present?

I thought people like you were "progressive", not reactionary.

Bucko*

*popular affectation among the intellectually "hip".

For Missile Defense to Work...,
...SteveL, they need to be in submarines. Not land based, not mobile land deployed, not off-shore platform, but submarine. So far, the sub-as-a-missile-platform has only been used for offensive missile systems, however this silent, mobile - and undetectable without sophisticated technology - is beyond ripe as the desirable platform for ABM's. They can lurk within early striking distance of any threat in the world without thought to the permission of a host country.

Until the nuclear submarine is the predominate missile platform for all missile weapons, both offensive and defensive, we are just shooting off fireworks.

Geeeee!
They don't want us to be able to defend ourselves.....

Hmmmmmmmm....

Who else doesn't want us to defend ourselves and what are their motives?

And, are their motives the same?

And then....

One must ask, are their allegiances the same also?

But that could never happen here....
Not to us....

Why can we not ask why and receive, an honest answer?

Bless lilly's heart
Many people know we have an Air Force Space Command. There is nothing secret or nefarious about this fact. It's at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, a wonderful place if you ever get the opportunity to visit.

Shockingly, we also have a joint-service US Space Command, also located at Peterson AFB. NORAD, which you may have heard of, is also located at Peterson AFB.

It turns out that air defense of the US and our allies relates in many ways to ballistic missiles, ballistic missile defense, and the use of space by other nations, as well as the US. The Air Force has been rather heavily involved in all these aspects of air defense. It may surprise you to learn that Democratic Congresses chartered the Air Force for this job, and have funded its continued operation as our national agent of air defense, and the Department of Defense executive agent for defense policy and operations in space, over and over and over again.

For all, do take the time to read "Rebuilding America's Defenses," and see if you find any references to dominating the globe and killing everyone.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefense s.pdf

frey, jetpilot, bucko, lily
Y'all have no idea what you're talking about, even you, Bucko, as a former NORAD officer (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you've been out of the loop for too long). But frey and jetpilot in particular are absolute ignoranuses on the subject of missile defense. Lilly is simply an America hater and irrelevant.

That's all I am allowed to say on the topic of missile defense.

buzzkat
Great post. Good counter-arguments.

"That's all I am allowed to say on the topic of missile defense."

Remind me again; just what did say on the topic of missile defense?


SteveL
"how international arms control agreements can protect America from rogue states"

Simple!! All it takes is western governments to stop arming them in the first place.
But as we all know this will never happen. Lots of profits in weaponry for countries to worry about who their selling to. So long as the are not an immediate threat we will sell to anyone.

Buzzcat,
As to the necessity for a missile defense I have always been convinced that one is needed. No argument from me there. However, by my experience, in or out of the loop, I know that the equipment, the men, and most important the political will to spend the money to maintain "readiness" will always fall short of the mark. Land-based air defense is too expensive, unreliable and subject to budgeting (the navy has some immunity). After many defense exercises with ARADCOM, NORAD, & NATO and their various national services, I long ago came to the conclusion that a land based, fixed position, anti-ballistic missile site was first and foremost going to be a TARGET before it was ever going to be a defense (if it survived the first attack).

Frey, Jetpilot and Lilly, don't want the US to have an ABM defense because they believe the US is evil and not worthy of defending. In my case, the US is "the last best hope of mankind" and is worth actually defending well and not with high-tech Maginot Lines. The Navy is the only Constitutionally mandated service. Submarines introduce the stealth and global mobility to the platform of air defense and offense. The paradox of all this is that under the sea is the best place to hide our missile defense of the skies. And I was Army.

Small steps
One thing that has been proven is that it is possible and very likely that we can shoot down an ICBM.

The technology is in it's infancy, yet the Navy has been capable of intercepting low flying cruise missiles targeting their ships for a very long time, granted not usually a Hit-to-Kill but still forcing the missile off course or into the ocean does save a ship.

The Navy has successfuly conducted intercepts of ICBM target vehicles with hit-to-kill SM3 missiles launched from Aegis class Cruisers and Destroyers at an impressive 8 out of 11 launches. 2 launches failed either due to the target vehicle not functioning or the SM3 failed to launch; only one SM3 failed to hit the target ICBM.

Compared to no defense, even the small defensive capability we have now against and incoming ICBM is certainly heartening.

I think we shall see further improvements coming very rapidly. One thing about science is that once you can repeat the success it is at that point a fact.

missile defence
lilly and other commie traitor cowards would rather bare their necks and surrender to our enemies rather than defend the republic.you can surrender if you want lilly but i will never roll over for foriegn scum.if we are ever nuked and i survive guess who i will be looking for lilly and jet.

missile defence
lilly and other commie traitor cowards would rather bare their necks and surrender to our enemies rather than defend the republic.you can surrender if you want lilly but i will never roll over for foriegn scum.if we are ever nuked and i survive guess who i will be looking for lilly and jet.

Flamed-out again
jetpilot writes: Wednesday, October, 31, 2007 10:09 AM

"OH MY GOD WHAT A WASTE"[ED MIND!

The Missiles they have have in Alaska have never been tested. REPEAT NO Definable and proven PERFORMANCE SPECS OR REAL TEST OF ANY KIND. Small very controlled sub-test are done but no full test with the whole systems."

Yeah, we should all get our info from the knowledgable folks at [st]Rolling Stone[d]? [Shhh! You gave away a major component of our disinformation system.] You should know how much the Carter and Clinton administrations hurt our defense capabilities.

I have worked on various defense projects since 1976, been to Cheyenne Mountain, designed BMD and missile control systems, and also the information systems used therein. Can't say much more except that your spec-less and testless assertion is rank bunk.

Regarding a full-scale test, are you nuts? Do you want an enemy to launch an attack on the U.S.?

BMD
One of the stupidest arguments made years back (1980s) against BMD was that the software would require an impossible 10 million source lines of code (SLOC). We argued that the 10M SLOC was really a managable 10K SLOC installed once at each of a thousand identical nodes.

Missile Defense
First off, yes, the "Union of Concerned Scientists" has always been a leftist front group.

Also, the idea of putting an anti-missile system on submarines is silly. The reason is because you still have to have a radar system in conjunction with it, to guide the interceptors to their targets. This is why the Navy has them on their Aegis vessels and not submarines.

Missile defense does work. It has been tested successfully many times. No, not every test has worked, but then no one ever said this would be easy. The reason the Russians and ChiComs don't like it is because even though they could overwhelm the system by firing off a lot of missiles, they would have NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH OF THEIR MISSILES WOULD GET THROUGH. An ABM system throws too much uncertainty into their plans, and they don't like that (poor pussitos). And never mind the fact that our missile subs would promptly bomb them back into the Stone Age should they do such a thing.

On the other hand, if they pop off just a handful of missiles, we stand a good chance of intercepting all of them, and they don't like that either. The same thing applies to rogue states like Iran or North Korea.


Missile Defense con't
One thing I found very interesting was that all through the 1980s, after Ronaldus Magnus started the whole SDI thing going good, the Dims screamed bloody murder about it (it won't work, and even if it does, it's still bad for us to have it, because America is e-vil, etc).

Yet, in 1993 through 1995, the Dims controlled both the White House and Congress. Here was their golden opportunity to kill missile defense once and for all. But what did they do?

They just changed the name from "Strategic Defense Initiative Organization" to "Ballistic Missile Defense Organization", and let them keep right on going working the problem.

Clearly even the Commiecrats knew something that the lillys, jetpilots, pauls, and the rest of the barking moonbats don't about missile defense.

As was pointed out earlier, I rather like the idea of being able to knock down incoming missiles, and so still have the option of NOT incinerating the friggin' planet, which is what the immortal Reagan had in mind all along.

Submarines
Heard a proposed idea a few months ago about submarine missiles.

Apparently, those things are crazy accurate.

The idea was to fit some with conventional warheads. A sub-launched missile like that can get basically anywhere in about 20 minutes or less, depending on the location of the submarine. Unlike Tomahawks, which have to cruise along at low altitudes about 500 m.p.h.

Very nice possibilities there. Well, I wouldn't say "nice".

Imagine satellite imagery or real time intel that has bin Laden or Mullah Omar entering a certain building at a certain time? A 20 minute time of flight to target could solve that problem, even if he's just going to be there long enough to eat lunch and use the bathroom.


Robert
"The concept of "conventional Tridents" is 1) expensive and 2) devestating from an arms control standpoint."

How so? There can't be very many other countries out there with Trident or similiar capable submarines. And most of those countries that do have the capability are ally countries.

And of those that remain, it is as you say. Expensive. That's why we're a superpower. We do stuff the bad guys can't afford.

A Trident would be no more controversial than the B-2 Stealths we have that can fly basically anywhere from Missouri and drop 1000 lb. JDAM ordnance.

Or at least I wouldn't see it that way.

The fast reaction time of 20 minutes would beat anything we have today. Suppose we'd had this capability in 2001 and 2003?

We're talking about the ability to surgically remove a Saddam or bin Laden without having to put soldiers on the ground.

You wouldn't support that?

bucko
I appreciate your comments, although I disagree with your assumptions. The current doctrine of missile defense to protect the territory of the U.S. is to defend against a LIMITED attack from a rogue regime such as North Korea or Iran. In no way is the system designed to protect against a massive attack such as Russia could launch. Thus the ground-based system is sufficient.

I agree with you that a land based system designed to intercept ICBMs in the mid phase of their flights is not the most efficient or effective approach. However, a submarine-based missile defense system would have too many engineering and physics hurdles to ever be able to work. A SPACE based system is the answer, since a space based system would have both global coverage and the ability to intercept missiles in their boost phase.

paul
Whatever, dude. I work in the field of missile defense and so am limited in what I can say. One of the best weapons the Defense Dept has in its arsenal is classified information. Idiots like you and others on this board who know nothing about weapons systems are some of DoD's best allies in spreading disinformation to confuse the enemy. Keep it up!

Cave Bear, Missiles and Subs.
"..the idea of putting an anti-missile system on submarines is silly".

Perhaps. However the concept of using ships to launch and retrieve aircraft, as well as launching ballistic missiles from subs were once considered "silly" as well. Aircraft carriers and Trident submarines are now commonplace.

There is no technical or physical reason that the phased array radar of the Aegis Combat System could not be integrated into the sail of missile-submarine design or in retro-fit. Furthermore, two or more submarines would be a "battery" and capable of the acquisition, tracking, engaging of many targets simultaneously. The submarines could also receive targeting information by satellite to eliminate the line-of-sight needs of radar and cover a very large area.

Unfortunately, space based defense leaves me uneasy. Satellites for intel and detection are certainly an important part of the air defense equation, but as a platform, where do you keep the missiles? How long will it take them to get to the target from orbit? What about re-entry? What about initial emplacement? What about the very air defense of this satellite air defense. And as for lasers, it's a bit premature to consider them even being close to operational.

The present systems now under development have enormous logistical and technical impediments to overcome. And I don't have to make the lame threat that I would have to kill you after I told you why because I was actually on previous missile systems. I do know the difference between the Pentagon and the contractors PR, and what these systems could actually do. Or, respectfully: "Amateurs discuss tactics; professionals discuss logistics". I read a lot of fantasy regarding the more obvious needs of missile defense and not much reality regarding the less obvious logistical necessities.

Please review my grade
Robert writes: Wednesday, October, 31, 2007 10:13 PM
"I'd have to give you
Rich D. writes: Wednesday, October, 31, 2007 4:58 PM ...

C minus as well.

The missiles at Fort Greely dont really work. except in set piece test environments. They have failed every single "combat like" test.

The difficulty is the IR sensors for the close phase."
-------------------------

I give you the right-wing USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-28-missile-test _N.htm

Also, you supported my assertion that the missiles are tested under real conditions (except all-out attack), and did not rebut my assertion that there are specs, contrary to what you say. Hey, I SAW specs because I worked in defense.

What's your point?

buzzkat, oops!
buzzkat writes: Thursday, November, 01, 2007 9:52 AM

"Idiots like you and others on this board who know nothing about weapons systems are some of DoD's best allies in spreading disinformation to confuse the enemy. Keep it up!"

Hey, didn't you read my earlier warning to flame-out?

Rich D. writes: Wednesday, October, 31, 2007 4:58 PM

[Shhh! You gave away a major component of our disinformation system.]

Bucko
A space based system would not be a one-missile-one-payload interceptor such as GMD. Rather, you could have a series of orbiting platforms that could fire clouds of hundreds or thousands of miniature hit-to-kill objects at passing enemy missiles or warheads. DoD in the late 1980's started looking at this concept (called 'Brilliant Pebbles') before the project got cancelled by the Clinton administration, I believe.

I suppose, now that I think about it, that a submarine-based anti-missile missile platform is feasible, but nonetheless the system of radar sensors deployed for GMD would still be necessary. But it would be a system with far more engineering and physics hurdles to overcome than GMD (e.g. communications with the submarines, no fixed position for the launch platform, etc). The cost of development is probably prohibitive. I think that your objection to the vulnerability of land-based launchers is not really valid, as these systems are designed to counter a first strike, and so their missiles would be launched long before they were struck. Anyway, as I indicated before, the purpose of GMD is to defend against a limited attack from a rogue nation, not a massive attack that only Russia (and Red China to a limited extent) can undertake. Thus GMD is sufficient with no need for a submarine-based anti-missile defense system.

U.S. doctrine is for a "layered" defense with THAAD and Patriot backing up GMD, although Patriot is not capable of handling ICBMs but is rather a tactical system.

Kudos on your service to this country. You are one of the reasons the scumbag libs on this site and elsewhere can sleep safe at night and wake up in the morning ready to drool on their keyboards again!

Bucko
The logistical necessities themselves depend on what we assume about the defense situation, and an enemy's capabilities.

If we are talking about expeditionary operations and forward OPAREA or battlefield defense, a potential enemy may have the capability to threaten the elements of our missile defense systems. But sub-based missile defense is very likely to be out of position for that type of situation -- given the types of missiles potential enemies have, or would use in those circumstances.

If we're talking about national strategic missile defense, we should indeed plan for the future possibility that an enemy could effectively knock out our entire defense system first -- do the precision, interdiction targeting thing that WE plan and train for.

But if we consider what elements of national missile defense are the most vulnerable to the current or projected capabilities of potential enemies (e.g., China), those elements can't be backstopped by submarines. Satellites are the most vulnerable elements.

The tiered (or "layered, integrated") missile defense system we have in view is the way to go, with redundancy to complicate enemy targeting and increase the likelihood of kill through a missile's trajectory. For launching missile interceptors, I agree we should consider submarines -- but sub-launched interceptors will always be dependent on other, more vulnerable elements of the defense system to track and target missiles.

For those who want to educate themselves on our current program, this is a link to what we now call the Missile Defense Agency. Check out the "Ballistic Missile Defense Overview" (a 120MG download) for explanations and schematics.

http://www.mda.mil/mdalink/html/mdalink.html

Once again, the impossible has been done
Looks like the missile defense system is ramping up rather nicely.

Now if it would only shoot down straw man arguments.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308957,00.html
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