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Thursday, October 19, 2006
Ed Feulner :: Townhall.com Columnist
Preventing a premature exit from Iraq
by Ed Feulner
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BAGHDAD (Jan. 21, 2009) -- Iraq’s bloody civil war worsened today, when 10,000 heavily armed troops from the Shiite state of Shiastan pushed north from Najaf and Rumaythah. The attack threatened to trap three battalions of U.S.-backed Sunnis in the region.

The latest round of fighting has triggered a new wave of refugees into Kuwait and Jordan, the United Nations reported today. Millions of Iraqis have fled the country since American troops pulled out in 2006, a controversial withdrawal that al Qaeda celebrates as a watershed victory.

Word of today’s offensive pushed crude oil prices to $210 per barrel, a new record, certain to cause problems for the newly inaugurated American president ...

All right, enough with the doom and gloom. The preceding paragraphs are fiction, but they reflect what’s likely to happen if the United States pulls out of Iraq before the country is stabilized and able to function on its own. Unfortunately, some of our politicians want to do exactly that.

“We believe that a phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq should begin before the end of 2006,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid wrote in a letter both signed in August. Even if our task there remains unfinished?

As President Bush put it on Oct. 11, “when you pull out before the job is done, that’s cut and run as far as I’m concerned. And that’s cut and run as far as most Americans are concerned.”

Heritage Foundation experts James Carafano and James Phillips explained in a recent paper what’s likely to happen if we withdraw quickly. “Such a shortsighted U.S. policy would be a severe blow to the Iraqi security situation, Iraqi oil exports, U.S. allies in the region, the global war against terrorism and the future of all Iraqis,” they write.

If we leave now, we’d leave the Iraqi army (with all its heavy weapons) up for grabs. That’s likely to spark a civil war, as soldiers align themselves into religious and regional militias.

Under that scenario, we can expect Iran -- already a regional power -- to support the Shiite Muslims in the south, a move that would give Tehran control of most of Iraq’s oil. Not that this would necessarily keep the oil flowing; as the civil war escalated, guerrillas would cut pipelines and blow up oil wells.

Right now, Iraq produces 2.5 million barrels of oil per day, and the country’s government aims to increase that to 2.7 MBD by year’s end. If production is disrupted, though, worldwide prices would skyrocket.

If we cut and run, Iraqi civilians would be the biggest losers. Millions would flee the starvation, disease and destruction that civil war brings. Meanwhile, al Qaeda would tout its role in forcing the U.S. out, providing a huge recruiting boom for the terrorist group.

This doesn’t mean we should stay indefinitely. As they say, there are only two “exit strategies” from any war: A country can win and go home, or it can lose and go home. Either way, all our troops eventually will exit Iraq. What really matters is what they leave behind.

We’ve made progress in Iraq, and we’ll continue to do so. Many of al Qaeda’s senior leaders have been killed or captured and the group’s popularity among the Iraqis is low. We need to keep training Iraqi forces and preparing them to stand on their own.

In the long run, only Iraqis can assure the success of Iraq. But if, in the short run, we cut and run, we guarantee failure -- for them and for us. We can avoid the bleak future outlined above. But we must steel our resolve to get the job done right.

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Dr. Edwin Feulner is president of The Heritage Foundation, a Townhall.com Gold Partner, and co-author of Getting America Right: The True Conservative Values Our Nation Needs Today .
 
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LOSING AND WINNING
Mr. Feulner notes that wars can end in two ways: 1) You can win and go home. 2) You can lose and go home. Actually, there is a third way in the general case, and if we select option 2 we will get a chance to make the third choice. That choice is to lose and stay home! If we lose in Iraq, we will most assuredly have to fight the Islamofascists right here in the good ol' USA.

On Iraq
Well, I have to say that if you take a look at the following Washington Times story

http://washingtontimes.com/world/20061019-120324-9846r.htm

You’ll see that once again my essay of July 14 on my blog, in this case “Can There Really Be an Arab Democracy?”, was ahead of the cutting edge of political thought. The powers in Washington are now apparently coming to the conclusion I reached months ago: that a Western-style democracy in Iraq is at this time pie-in-the-sky. It’s time to install our own strongman like the Shah of Iran.

I predict that over the next couple of weeks the rest of the Big Time published columnists will all be weighing in on this topic which was already covered by humble ole me.

You heard it here first.

Now signing off with my usual modesty.

BrianR....

.... you're my hero! (ha, ha, ha, ha...)

In all seriousness... good call!

Primus

Tanabear writes:

... "Yes indeed. Dick Cheney was a wise man back in 1996. So what happened?"

Tana... same question I ask myself when I recall Bill Clinton announcing in 1998 that Iraqi regime change was to be the policy of the U.S.

So.... what happened?

Primus: LOL
I have the insight, they get the checks.

It ain't fair, I tells ya, it ain't fair!

Hey Brian...
...is that why you resorted to having commercials on your site?

JimmyC: Yeah -- LOL
Gotta make this gig pay somehow.

Could you believe that guy?

When you link on his "blog", all you get is more stuff for sale. Very weird.

WHAT’S WRONG WITH GEORGE BUSH?
First and foremost, our President is not a rational thinker – his mind accepts information from only two sources: faith and experience. For example, he learned the "the enemy will follow us here" from Vietnam and the Domino Theory: “If we don’t defeat the communists in Vietnam, then we’ll have to fight them here in America.” Now just insert “terrorists” and “Iraq” into the one lesson Bush learned from Vietnam.

Because Bush is not rational (strictly empirical and subjective), objective facts and evidence such as the latest National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) are meaningless to this anachronistic man of several millennia ago. “STAY THE failed COURSE” is all that’s possible.

Cut and Run Conservatives
You know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Conservatives keep blasting liberals for their supposed "cut and run" strategy. Assuming for one second this is true, how is this any different than the Conservative treatment of liberals and the MSM?

Conservatives in this country cut and ran from liberals and the MSM along time ago. Rather than engage their fellow Americans, conservatives have reduced themselves to whining about liberals and the MSM. Fox News and AM Radio is nothing but one big liberal hate party.

America cannot win a war with more than 1/2 the country against the war. Yet, Conservatives have changed nothing in the last few years with respect to winning the hearts and minds of America. All they've down is turn up the volume on the liberal hate.

Instead, the cowards have cut and run from the propoganda fight at home. They have been reduced to the politics of destruction. The politics of demonizing and demeaning liberals when clearly that tactict is proven not to work and going nowhere fast.

Cut and run. This country cut and ran from Iraq along time ago when the party in power decided to turn its back on any meaningful dialog with the half of this country that is liberal. Republicans pay 0 attention to Democrats in Congress. Conservatives started this war. It is their responsibility to finish it. They don't have the humility or the guts to confront their liberal counterparts in their own country. Instead, they've cut and run from engaging liberals in any meaning fashion. Iraq is already lost.

Proving once again, dialog is more difficult than violence. It is far easier to pick up a gun and kill someone then it is to talk.




If we leave, Iraq will be the example
There are plently of good reasons not to leave Iraq. We shouldn't leave Iraq because the Democrats and the media have turned Americans against the war with their constant 24/7 propaganda. No one uses propaganda better then socialist and communist. We leave, and Iraq will be made an example of by radical Muslims. Who cares? Surely not the Democrats and the media. It doesn't fit their political agenda for Novemeber elections and the 2008 Presidential elections. The media is quick to report an unpopular war. No war is popular, but sometimes neccessary. The Democrats were willing to take the fight to the terrorists if only we restricted it to Afghanistan and not Iraq. Terrorist cross borders faster then the Democrats flip flops on issues. What makes the Democrats think Osama was going to stay in Afghanistan. We went into Iraq because it was another Path to 9/11 waiting to happen. Osama had already contacted Saddam about carrying his message and was to be aired on a daily bases to the Iraqi people. Thats a fact. The war in Iraq has become an issue to the Democrats, not the Iraqi people. They are plagued with murdering terrorist who kills at will women and children because of the rhetoric the Democrats uses on a daily bases to inspire the terrorist to continue their spree of death and destruction. Iraq must fall for the Democrats political survival. They have no other issues then Iraq. All the other things they mention are nothing but complaints. We want a party in power who's not going to cut and run because of a death count they could care less about. 9/11 was the result of a nation who had the power, but was afraid to use it. A weak nation opens doors to those who walks in and takes over and makes slaves of everyone. Leaving Iraq while in a weak state dooms Iraq to terrorist who are just waiting for us to listen to the cut and run Democrats.

Another Tet Offensive.
___ We have all read about the increasing tempo of terrorist attacks in Iraq in these days leading up to the Nov. 7th elections here. Do you remember the subway bombings in Spain just prior to their elections, not so long ago? The obvious answer to this is that the Jihadi nutjobs know which party is their friend in the USA, just as they favored the pacifist socialists in Spain!
___ During the Tet offensive, the Cong all came out and and really tried... then really died. As a military tactic, it was simply a disaster for the communists. But the MSM and the the oh-so-usefull idiots of the liberal left (Kerry, Fonda, Hayden, Kennedy, et vomit) sold it back home as a defeat for our boys. They urged cut and run, cut military funding and the South Vietnamese patriots ran out of ammo and the materiel to resist. Over 10 Million died and Hanoi John Kerry got his place in the communist hall of heros in Vietnam. And the traitor ain't done yet, he's hoping for a spot in the Jihadi hall of shame anytime now.
___ War is hard. The only thing worse than winning one IS LOSING ONE. Especially against the kind of enemy we face today. As far as I can tell, the Democrats are the Jihadiis party of choice. Any conservative who stays home on November 7th. is a lot more than AWOL.


Well...
Looks like the Repubs are setting up to fly the coop like they did in Beruit. Cute!

A Conservative Plan for Iraq
October 18th, 2006 by JohnKonop
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Anyone who questions the lack of a realistic and comprehensive Iraq strategy is labeled a friend of fascism by the Republican leadership. House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) recently said, “I wonder if [Democrats] are more interested in protecting the terrorists than protecting the American people.” Republicans are paralyzed with the fear of being thought ineffective on national security and the war.

Meanwhile, the Democratic leadership cannot seem to accept that—regardless of how we got there—we are in Iraq. They have not made a convincing case that an arbitrary phased or date-certain troop withdrawal is in the best long-term interest of the United States. Rather, they seem to think that withdrawal will undo the decision to have gone to war. Rubbing President Bush’s nose in Iraq’s difficulties is also a priority.

This political food fight is stifling the desperately needed public discussion about a meaningful resolution to the fire fight. Most Americans know Iraq is going badly. And they know the best path lies somewhere between “stay the course” and “get out now”.

Some Truths

1) Iraq is having a civil war between the Sunnis and Shiites. The Kurds will certainly join, if attacked. It may not look like a civil war, because they don’t have tanks, helicopters, and infantry; but they are fighting with what they have.

2) Vast oil revenues are a significant factor behind the fighting. Yes, there are religious and cultural differences—but concerns about how the oil revenue will be split among the three groups make the problem worse.

3) Most Iraqis support partitioning Iraq into Shiite, Sunni, and Kurdish regions. (Their current arrangement resulted from a pen stroke during the British occupation, not some organic alignment.)

4) Most citizens of the Middle East who support groups that kill and terrorize civilians—such as Hezbollah, Hamas, or al Qaeda—in part because of their aggressive stance against Israel and the United States, but also because they provide much needed social services, such as building schools.



Everybody
1. JohnCitizen's post is a repeat of one he made last week on another thread. I will not bother to repeat my comment on it there, except to say that if he does not know the definitions of "empirical" and "subjective" by now, and that they are polar opposites of each other, I can't help him further. He needs to take a course in stochastic logic- and pass it.

2. Before we begin planning how we're going to throw Iraq to the wolves, you all might want to read the article titled, "Angel of Death", on pp.134-138 of the November 2006 issue of MAXIM Magazine, which is about to hit the newsstands (I received my subscription copy this week). It was written by Pat Dollard, formerly Steven Soderbergh's agent and manager, and now a documentary filmmaker. The article is about the background of his new documentary series, "Young Americans", about the experiences of the First Marine Expeditionary Force on the front lines in Iraq. The points he makes are;

A. The only place that is still controlled by the terrorists is the "Triangle of Death" in the Yusifiyah/Mahmudiyah/Iskanderiyah area, south of Baghdad.

B.The only other area where they have an actual foothold is Ramadi, about 50 km WSW of Fallujah. This is a Sunni Baathist area that is full of Saddam's supporters, who deeply resent the fact that their gravy train was derailed by the Coalition kicking him out of power. They are the last major group of terrorist holdouts. (Think Dedan Kimathi's Mau Mau in the Aberdares Forest region of Kenya in 1954-55.)

C. The Marines are getting very good support from the Iraqi people in both areas in rooting out and destroying the terrorists.

D. When Ramadi falls, as it will, the war in Iraq is over.

Dollard is a Hollywood insider, formerly extremely liberal, who in his own words "changed his thinking 10 years ago" after his first child was born. Read the article, and/or go to his website (patdollard.com) to get his view of the situation. I'm not going to argue with him. He was there, with the troops. And what he, and they, have to say about both the news media and the "get out now" crowd isn't pretty. Nor should it be.

cheers

eon

Mac

I liked your post.

John,
who would police the borders between the 3 regions?

Kimberly,
How would you have gotten out of VietNam?

what does it mean?
Stay the course. What does that mean to most of you who use it? To the liberals it seems to mean a kind of status quo. Just stay there and keep doing the same thing. To those who feel leaving is a terrible strategy, it means adjusting tactics and strategies while staying put in Irag. Using these differances in meaning, makes it easy to tell democrat from republican.

Kimberly
With all the intelectual honesty you can muster.
What do you propose?
Keeping in mind the true results of your decision.
And I'm serious.

Solar

I second your question.

My Vision
Imagine, if you can, Iraq as a tourist destination. The art, the history, visiting the land between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.

WOW!!!

There is some prime investment property scattered all about that country. Changing the hearts and minds of the locals to realize the benefits of enterprising on the resources available and selling the product and service of the most fascinating vacation in the world...

What is it with the locals? They could all share in the "Prophits" and roll in the "Moolah". If it can be done in Palm Springs why not Iraq?

GEM



WE WENT IN AS LIBERATORS, BUT NOW WE ARE
occupiers and policemen caught in the middle of a civil war.

Everybody loves a liberator. But when you see our troops painting schools and hospitals, setting up soup kitchens, training a foreign army and attempting to establish a foreign government, you know that our mission has changed. We are now in the nation building phase, a role we criticized throughout the 1990s. So far, moreover, the projected big supply of Iraqi oil that was anticipated to be flowing in plentiful supply by 2006, hasn't yet contributed a dime to our efforts.

To cut and run is clearly not the answer, many will die if we exit prematurely. And Iran is watching and waiting, readying to take full advantage of a worsening situation. This could spell chaos in the entire region, the same region that supplies America and the world much of its energy.

America has to be resold on our new mission (and our new role), the original mission and role was accomplished long ago. The reselling of America has yet to happen. Its not too late to do this. But if the current leadership fails, then this war will have been lost right here on Main Street, USA--again.

Like it or not, our MBA in the Whitehouse is not a good marketer.








Packrat
Most likely she will fly in after we have finished with this column,sometime late tonight.
So no one can really respond to her answer.

Iraq Civil war? - Good!

.....Ed...let them fight it out until they are exausted...then we step in...and crush the winner...and install a pro-American strong man to run the country...

.....let's get real and use some common sense...the Shah in Iran was our ally until Jimma the Peanut Man screwed it up...even Iraq was stable under Saddam...if he had been a benign dictator instead of a crackpot ...we could have tolerated him...

.....Islam and Democracy are like oil and water...they will not mix...the Qu'ran will not tolerate a Democratic government...somebody in the DOD should have done their homework...

.....we won the war but are in danger of losing the peace.....COLOSSUS

The Baker Commision
Anybody who's listened to the 'leaks' coming out of the commission headed by Jim Baker should realize that even this administration knows it can't stay in Iraq any more.
They won't call it 'cut & run' though, it will more likely be called 'peace with honor'. And all the bobbleheads will pronounce it 'great'.

Free Markets
When the Iraqi people begin to realize the benefits of a free market economy, along with the values of individualism and self determinism, and they distill these values into their system of self-government, then the war will be won.

There will always be the nabobs of negativism and the ne'r-do-wells of political opposition; despite the obstacles, the Iraqi people will rise above this bump in the road of history to be the great and enduring nation they were meant to be.

One may invest in a brighter future. Divestment and Failure must not be an option!

GEM



See the evil
They said they intend to kill us. They've demonstrated that they intend to kill us. They've had a few successes at killing us. Now that we're there, if we cut an run, they will kill us. A big group hug from the Democrats will not change their minds.

Winning/Losing
One reason that many Americans think we are losing in Iraq is that the MSM doesn't publish how many ENEMY are killed/wounded/captured.

Sure, the MSM has to tell about Sadam's capture and Zarqawi's death, but as a general rule, only AMERICANS and IRAQI CIVILIANS are counted as KIA.

Not one mention of how many terrorists were killed.

After 3 years of reporting nothing but American and civilian deaths, no wonder most Americans think we should get the heck out.

NRAlifer
Good point about the Statues.

If you get a chance go back to:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=are_you_going_to_be_a_benchwarmer_this_election&ns=JonathanGarthwaite&dt=10/20/2006&page=full&comments=true#927e3294-059d-4af5-83b2-10848a39426d
and read my responce to you.
I got a responce from my "myopine" He acused me of being liberal. ...shudders....
Did I screw up my post to you?
It made sence to me anyway.

We can change the battlefield
Taking the fight to Iran will draw most of the foreign fighters away from Iraq and Iraqi forces should be able to deal with what remained.

Allies to invade Iran? Who has an interest in the Strait of Hormuz? Many countries do and that nut case Ayatollah who wants a nuke says he intends to invade even Russia and China.
Make you wonder who would like a base near the Hormuz Strait? Russia would and those Russians have a real attitude problem about that "Invade & Conqure Russia" thing. They got real mad at Hitler over that very thing.

NRAlifer
I read your page and found that story on Heinz,and used as ammo against a libs. comment.
At the same time plugging your page.
I thought it was funny,myself.
But MyOpine took it out of context...Doh!

But I'm still reading your page,you have some great quotes and history notes on there.
I'm also filling out my absentee ballot as I write.
Thanx Tom

Sorry Solar
I alread apologised once. About one more dig and I will take it back.

AND on the subject of apology

BrianR I think you were interest in the fate of old posts? Remember Saturday when you had that little tiff with Anti_Partisan_Rightly and he became indignant over me calling him a Democrat? I went back over his previous posts looking for something to indicate I was wrong. Did not find anything but I did learn people still continue to make posts on articles a week old!
Thought you would like to know.

MyOpine

That's OK,I guess you could say I'm in truly good company,Cheney shot his good friend by accident.
I consider it friendly fire,maybe I should watch where I type,ya got me in the a55,good shot.
Don't worry about it,were on the same side.
I will consider you a friend.

I've been reading NRAlifer's page,he has some really good nuggets of information.
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