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Thursday, October 09, 2008
Dr. Paul  Kengor :: Townhall.com Columnist
Message to Obama: We Were Greeted As Liberators
by Dr. Paul Kengor
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A casualty of the left’s hatred for President George W. Bush has been a destructive inability to separate fact from fiction in the ongoing history of the war in Iraq. The latest case, which, sadly, has dug its way into the head of the Democratic presidential nominee, is the allegation that American troops, when they liberated Baghdad in April 2003, were not welcome as liberators. This inaccurate appraisal, shocking given that it’s made by people who watched the liberation on TV, was leveled again on Tuesday evening by Barack Obama for the second time in consecutive presidential debates. Both times, Obama criticized John McCain for predicting that Americans would be greeted as liberators in Iraq.

I cannot confirm whether McCain said that. Either way, though, the undeniable truth is that we were welcomed as liberators. I know this very well, because I, like everyone over the age of five, lived through it.

I recall a June 27, 2003 piece by Nicholas Kristof in The New York Times, titled, “The Man With No Ear.” A few weeks after the apparent cessation of war, Kristof visited Iraq. Like The Times, he adamantly opposed the war. Now, he had to come to grips with the undeniable freedom wrought by the liberation, and the gratitude that Iraqis felt for George W. Bush. One Iraqi told Kristof: “A thousand thanks to Bush! A thousand thanks to Bush’s mother for giving birth to him!”

Kristof admitted he did not expect that reaction. He tracked down a man named Mathem Abid Ali. For deserting the Army, Ali’s ear was amputated. “Children looked at me, and turned away in horror,” he told Kristof. But now, at last, Ali was free. He told Kristof: “I’d like to make a statue in gold of President Bush.”

Kristof admitted that such facts “got in the way” of his plans for his column. He conceded that it was important that doves like himself encounter Saddam’s victims and their joy at being liberated by American troops. Doves “need to grapple with the giddy new freedom that—in spite of us—pullulates from Baghdad to Basra,” wrote Kristof.

When Iraqis weren’t talking of forging gold statues to George W. Bush, they were running around the streets literally praising God for him. Here, too, I could give example after example, but I will stick with another from the popular press, this from the London Telegraph, May 21, 2003:

Juad Amir Sayed, an Iraqi Shiite Muslim, lived in the village of Karada, 90 miles southeast of Baghdad. At age 24, he had buried all of his books in a flour sack, burned his identity card, and constructed a tunnel and three-by-five-foot concrete cell under the family kitchen. He entered that cell on December 2, 1981 and lived there for the next 22 years.

Juad dug a tiny three-inch diameter hole deep into the ground from which he sucked water. This was his well. A smaller peep hole provided a ray of sunlight during the day. His only company was a Koran and a radio with headphones that he kept tuned to the Arabic Service of the BBC. His bright moment came near the 20th anniversary of his confinement when he heard a speech by President Bush on the September 11 attacks. “Mr. Bush gave a speech in which he said the terrorists of the world would be hunted down,” recalled Juad. “The next time my mother brought me food I told her of my conviction that [Saddam] would not last.”

Juad assumed that any hunt for terrorists would naturally include Saddam Hussein. Fortunately for him, the American president agreed.

Once American troops arrived, Juad entered the light of freedom for the first time in over two decades. “I believe that Allah worked through Mr. Bush to make this happen,” said Juad. “If I met Mr. Bush, I would say, ‘thank you, thank you, you are a good human, you returned me from the dead.’”

Those are simply a couple of anecdotes from newspapers. Has everyone forgotten about the images they saw on their television sets?

I spent two hours with about 50 students on the morning of April 9, 2003 watching CNN coverage of Iraqis and U.S. Marines in Firdos Square tearing down a statue of Saddam Hussein, which was then desecrated, spat upon, smacked with shoes, and ridden like a donkey through the streets of Baghdad. As Howard Fineman wrote in Newsweek, affirming what no one doubted, it was George W. Bush “who toppled that statue.”

Doesn’t anyone remember this? Are the biases of liberals so personally crippling that they purge their own memory banks?

Every president has a “finest hour.” For JFK, it was the Cuban Missile Crisis. For Jimmy Carter, it was Camp David. For George W. Bush, it was April 9, 2003.

Of course, shame on President Bush and his administration for not constantly reminding us of this. Certainly, the press hasn’t bothered. And now, yet again, because of the Bush administration’s failure to communicate to the larger public, the president’s enraged opponents have been able to inaccurately portray another highlight from the Iraq war. The left has been so successful in eviscerating George W. Bush that even this amazing day of freedom in his presidency has been somehow turned upside down.

The fall of that statue in Baghdad on that day should be the visual equivalent of the fall of the Berlin Wall for this president and his presidency. It is not. It is now a negative used by the Democratic presidential nominee!

Now, all that said, here’s a critical rest-of-the-story: George W. Bush eventually became unpopular in Iraq, as did the occupation/reconstruction, especially in the 2005-6 timeframe. No question. The situation deteriorated. But that’s a different argument. The fact is that we were indeed greeted as liberators.

Here again, we have another exhibit in the Hall of Hatred erected to George W. Bush. The left has become so anti-Bush that it can’t make simple distinctions between fact and fiction. And now, worse of all, this latest false charge has become a talking point for the left’s presidential nominee, where, yet again, it is uncontested.

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Dr. Paul Kengor, author of spiritual biographies of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, has just published God and Hillary Clinton and The Judge: William P. Clark, Ronald Reagan's Top Hand. He is a professor of political science and executive director of the Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College.

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Liberators
As someone who was in the initial attack into Iraq and got an up close and personal view of our reception I'd say we were definitely greeted as liberators by the general population. I remember well the crowds of people gathering around and celebrating.

As Baghdad fell we were assigned to occupy Al Kut. Marine forces had skirted the city on the approach to Baghdad but none of our forces had gone inside. We moved in and occupied the airfield on the outskirts of the city and then made our way across a bridge into the city proper. People gathered in a giant crowd as we approached and yelled and waived. A delegation of the leading men of the city met us on the bridge and welcomed us. Our Operations officer was hoisted onto the shoulders of the crowd and carried all around. Everybody was being kissed (by men) and it was a big party. Not long afterwards we had set up soccer games and basketball games against the locals (they abused us in soccer and we destroyed them in basketball) and were moving forward on restoring schools and utilities.

The problems in Al Kut began weeks later as Iraqi expatriots that had been sheltering in Iran returned to the area and began operating like a mafia. They strong-armed people, seized control of assets such as the natural gas plant (All Iraqis cook with natural gas) and generally acted as the power brokers. Most prominent among these guys were the thugs from SCIRI, the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq. We should have come down hard on these thugs immediately. Instead, we thought the war was over and everybody wanted to get along and rebuild the country. Big mistake. By restraining ourselves and trying to cooperate and negotiate we allowed our enemies to establish a defacto control of the city and the populace.

In many respects our fight since then has been to regain that control we gave away when we first got there.

It was amusing
in the debate to hear obama wax on about using military (which he has said before he'd vastly reduce) in situations that involve genocide.
I was sorry McCain didn't folloiw up and asking him about saddam's genocide.

It's also amusing to hear him say how much money he's going to save by pulling out of Iraq and into afghanistan. Are the soldiers going to go to afghanistan without pay or something?

What's NOT amusing: obama's attempt to try to get al_Maliki not to make a deal with the Bush administration. To wait til after the election.
Self above country as usual. And maybe a hint of his style of diplomacy. At worst, that's treason. At best, it's stupid. Take your pick.

So What, Kengor!
The United States can't afford to be the worlds policeman, Kengor. Had we avoided the $2 trillion cost of Iraq and Afghanistan we might have staved off our current financial crisis which has proven to be Bushes only proven Weapon of Mass Destruction [WMD]. Clueless- from-Crawford should be criminally prosecuted for inflicting upon our economy 100,000 times the destruction which the World Trade Centers suffered. It's clear from today's TH posts that the blood lust of the irrational right has not yet been satiated.

And by the way! I'm a 100% disabled [service connected] veteran of strong Christian heritage. I'm a gun owner and I'm "straight". My yeoman forebears had been in the New World for generations when my name-sake [and his brothers] fought in the American Revolution. I'll put my "American patriot" credentials up against those of anyone!

Jim-Too

Ranger29...
....and once Obama loses on Nov 4 the looting will begin again..in..LA...NYC...Chicago...Atlanta...Philly...Detroit. We will have our own internal insurgents.

What I'd like to know is
who won the "civil war" in Iraq. Leftists and Ron Paul devotees were carping endlessly - as recently as a year ago - that it was a civil war between Iraqis (not limited sectarian violence incited and stoked by al Qaeda) and we needed to get out and let them slaughter each other. Now that almost all of Iraq is safer than the streets of Philadelphia and Washington, DC, I think we deserve an answer: Who won the "civil war?"

The central question for Obama
and his ilk:

"Is the world better off with or without Saddam Hussein?"

Not a Democrats war
Obviously the problem here is that "Iraqi Freedom" is not a Democrats war. Please see VietNam. LBJ the second most liberal POTUS (FDR's hard to beat)sent American Navy Destroyers into North VietNam waters and , the N-V-Nese attacked them. And then LBJ proposes the infamous "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution" so we can go to war to correct France's political vomit. LBJ and his cronies made millions from that war.
JFK was opposed to the Viet Nam BS, because he saw war first hand. he wasn't liberal enough so THEY put a bullet into hus head.
"Give em hell Mick"
true independent; What in hell are you squawking about? My goofy Labrador has a higher IQ that you do. Print something intellegent, please!
The Big Mick "Give them some more hell Mick"
And I quote: "Kill them all and let God sort them out" Belived to have been first used during the Crusades.
General Eisenhower's biography on WW 2 was titled "The Great Crusade" Any of you liberal whiners read it?
"The War on Terror" is in fact "The Greatest Crusade"
I'm on your side Mick

liberators
I was wondering myself, why the Democrats keep repeating the lie that "we weren't greeted as liberators." I saw it, I read about it, and everyone was talking about it at the time. Now it's used as a talking point and a lie at that. I couldn't believe it when Obama said it in the debate and then McCain ignored it. Yes, Obama is a different politician, isn't he? If he wins, get ready for your children to sing the new national anthem in their schools and teens to march in lockstep to his chants, as we have seen the video's all over the internet, already.

Indy
Why, you want it for your closet?
mick

true independent
"Indy"? We called the DOG "Indiana!"

I'm curious as to what OTHER ISSUES there could be OTHER than bamiecommie being a commie Eurofag Appeasing sombitch with his hand up Freddie's blouse and down Fannie's pants, and comieqrs being out to destroy America. Being in denial about those FACTS, Indy, doesn't mean the OTHER guy isn't addressing ISSUES. Those ARE the issues.
What is best for the Republic, what keeps us safe and Prosperous, and FREE what limits and restricts Government in the most severe way, what keeps other people's hands off MY money and the Government off my Sacred Liberties of Speech, Property, Religion, Right to bear Arms, etc. What's Just and Right and Righteous and puts us on a path of Blessing rather than Wrath.

Obamacommie and the Todd/Frankienstein Big Gov Socialists AIN'T it, Indy. Never have been, never will be.

There, that should be enough issues to be going on with.

mick

Jack 1:51
Not that you're still around but:

in 1945 we spendt 6821 Killed in 5 weeks to take 21 square kilometers.

It was called Iwo Jima.

Iraq's been cheap at the price once you stop being in denial about us being in a War for SURVIVAL with the Sandnazis.

mick

Also, Bobbitt
Why is Sarah Palin wearing that giant wig?

Robin
Why should I give a damn whether the war is "unpopular" or not? Most of my fellow citizens wouldn't understand Vital National Security or Sound Strategic War Policy if it performed on American Idol and they got to vote!

I only give a damn if it's the Right thing to do and it was, and we're winning and those who want to phook with me and mine are being massacred.

Object of the exercise and I approve.

mick

true
And I keep thinking about the toppled statue and the kids with the thumbs up and the old men grinning and cheering and the old women with their purple thumbs.

they've been flipped, true, the strategery WORKED, now THEY are hard at work killing the perps who did that little deed.

mick

Steve 8:22
I'm always amused at how our Monday Morning Strategists are universally Flat(ulent) Earth Isolationists who can’t read a map.

Smart people know us to be and to have been in a WAR FOR SURVIVAL with IslamaNAZISM since Jimmy the Geek sold out the Shah. Looking at the Map, once we were engaged with the Al Qaida enabling Taliban in Afghanistan, where NOBODY wins a protracted struggle and we DON’T want to STAY, we want to FLIP the damn place to a Pro-US Democracy and turn em lose on THEIR Sandnazi enemies...
(By the way, THAT strategy has been working since the Greeks! Buy one group of Barbarous Savages to kill the ones who need killn worse!)

...once you got THAT front working look at the damn map! Where is the next LOGICAL STRATEGIC FRONT in the War for Survival Against the Sandnazis!? IRAQ! Sits right on TOP of ALL the Strategic Centers of Gravity–Economic, Political, Cultural, Religious.

I don’t WANT out of Iraq boy, I want us SQUATTING there within easy Buttkickin range of Teheran and Damascus. When we’ve finished wiping them ALL out like we did the Krout Nazis and the Japs, then fine, lets go Kill some North Koreans, Venezuelans, and Chinese.

“A threat to Liberty ANYwhere is a threat to Liberty EVERYwhere is a threat to MINE!”

By the way Isolationism hasn’t been a valid (best Rush does Henry Kissinger imitation here)
“Foreign Policy” since Lucky Lindy landed in Paris.

But I'm all for making em pay the freight consistent with getting THEM up and running as a Sandnazi killn proxie. Don't want to screw em like Germany after WWI.

Mick

true-lib
I would bet the ranch I have far more books in my house than you have in yours big mouth.

I assume that you call me a book burner because I don't agree with you so to you my mind is closed to any other ideas and I am therefore ignorant and not nearly as learned as a genuis like you. The reality is that I have considered all of your liberal left wing positions and have found that they are anti-American, anti-constitution, anti-capitalist, and anti-intelligent.

The book burner statement is just as stupid as your statement about you not being a Christian so you don't hate. Liberals are just so much smarter than everyone else aren't they?

It is not surprising that you show the ever present "tolerance" that liberals always want everyone else to have. Anyone who does not agree with your perverted positions is ignorant or stupid.

Finally my girlie men comment was representative of liberals fear of actually seeing the military fighting for their country and their constant worry of what the rest of the world thinks of us. I don't give a dam what they think. I want the country kept safe.

Libdrools had their chance to vote against the war in Iraq and they did not. Quit your whining about it!

Hurray, we liberated them
Now let's get the heck out of there.

If they want more of our advice and help, let
them pay us with oil.

That was the plan anyway, wasn't it?

Hurray, we liberated them
Now let's get the heck out of there.

If they want more of our advice and help, let
them pay us with oil.

That was the plan anyway, wasn't it?

My bad
I meant to write "Bobbitt" instead of "Taft".

Sorry, Taft.

Hey Zap
How's about we cut out welfare and food stamps for ne'er do wells and continue blowing away Isalmofacist terrorists instead?

No you clowns would rather we spend millions studying cow DNA and supporting losers than killing those who want to kill us in their own backyards.

I am just so sick of all of you libdrools. You guys are pathetic.

Taft said
"A bunch of girlie men that's all you are. "

Oh! Oh!! Oh!! That really stung, Taft!

Does that mean I'm not invited to your next book-burning?

Arturas #28
I too am often amazed how Bush, whom the left has called stupid, dumb, brainless, etc., has been so brilliant in his ability to pull the wool over the eyes of people the world over.

Only the genuises like taft, will, true independent and the like can see through him.

We are soooooooo lucky to have them to explain all of this to us aren't we?

ROFLMAO. Moronic libs. You are pathetic.

Taft
I tire of reading your BDS crappola. Many. many Dimocraps felt saddam had to go. It was official policy of the Clinton Administration. many, many countries thought he had WMD. I know that some people said it was wrong but many more said it was right.

All of your Dimocraps voted to authorize. The UN voted to authorize. All of this took 14 months - enough time to move WMDs if they existed. However even if they didnt all we did was remove a warmongering murderer who tortured and killed his own people and terrorized the area. Abe Lincoln he was not.

But once the war began and the slightest bit of trouble came up all of you libs starting whining like the little puzzies you are making our country and our pres look bad. So when you all cry about world opinion remember you helped to create it.

Now do I think Bush did a good job waging the war? Absolutely not. But all of the lib screeching made it harder for him to apply adequate force and easier for al Quaeda to recruit and carry on the fight because they now babies like you are bound to quit first chance you get.

A bunch of girlie men that's all you are.

Hate Bush?
Bush sent thousands of my fellow Americans to a country that hadn't even attacked us so that almost 5,000 fellow Americans would die and thousands more would be physically and mentally injured for life.

I'm not Christian, so my faith tells me I shouldn't hate, but in this case it's really, really hard.

Hear, hear, Zap!
Spoken like a true conservative!!!

tax cuts in time of war
Like a good Conservative, I don't really care how long we are in Iraq, so long as I get to hang onto my precious tax cut and dump the entire bill onto future generations.

Re: Elanor
It's good to see you've put that fine arts degree to work in your rather fictional statement about how oil is priced. First we hardly get any oil from Iraq. We're not set up to refine it and we aren't allowed to build refineries to refine the light crude produced in Iraq by scientists with your exact qualifications. Secondly, the oil companies buy oil by the barrel it's sold by the governments where the oil is pumped. The price of oil is controlled in two parts. The first is an organization called OPEC (Oil Producing Exporting Countries) which set the base price for a barrel of oil. A kind of oil sellers union which sets a minimum price. Then the oil spot market takes over where oil futures are sold. This is where the price of oil gets driven up heavily by events such as coups and hurricanes. It drives up the prices that the Big Oil Companies have to pay for that barrel of oil. Which is a rather winded way of saying you should actually read a book about economics rather than listen to KOS talking points.

Taft, your boy
John Kerry was head of the senate intelligence committee. Kerry had access to every piece of intel that Bush/Cheney had.

Yet Kerry voted in favor of the use of military force to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

And Kerry's just one small example of congressional members who had been in DC for decades and not only had access to recent intel, but contacts in the CIA and State Dept. intel org. to turn to that they'd established over their long careers.

Gee, if I drank libtard Kool-Aid like you, I'd say all the people in congress who approved the war were in on the scam with Dubya!

Then again, it seems to me if Bush got the US into war by cherry picking info and selectively feeding that to the legislative branch in a ruse to get them to vote in favor of the war(as you and so many others believe) then the legislative branch, and especially people like Kerry, were so grossly negligent in fulfilling their responsibilities, they ought to be removed from office.

But hey, it's just so much easier to chant "Bush lied" and ignore Dems' culpability, isn't it?

OBAMA WOULD OF GIVEN SADAM A HUG!
AFTER 911,OBAMA WOULD OF SAID CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG???

IF OBAMA WINS!
IF OBAMA WINS,LOUIS FARACKKAN WILL BE THE FIRST TO GIVE HIM A HUG,AND OBAMA HAS SAVED A PLATE FOR THE IRAN DUDE AMADMANADINEJD,THE CRIPS WILL BE PART OF HOME LAND SECURITY!AND WE WILL BE TOAST!

Thank you, Taft
I am truly amazed at the overwhelming power that is attributed to George Bush in manuevering the U.S. into a war based on false or misleading information. One of the glitchs in this supremacy of Bush Derangement is that the comments about the dangers of Saddam and his weapons was made by the Clintons and other senators BEFORE Bush even became president. Look it up. Also we must assume that Bush infiltrated the intelligence services of France, Britain, Germany, Israel, and Russian, to name a few, to plant misleading information in order to get other countries to back the UN vote to authorize military sanctions. When Bush sent our representatives to the United Nations it must be assumed that all of the resolutions that this august body made were based solely on the word of George Bush. None of those independent countries were able to see through the sham that George Bush was building. What a guy that George. P.S. Bush is not running for office, we could use such an all powerful politician as you give him credit for being.

Obama delenda est

Thank you Dr. Paul
Sometimes I hear the liberals and democrats - in their unqualified hate for President Bush - constantly slam him over the Iraqi war. This war was fought in a way different time than Vietnam. The people now have more access to alternate forms of news so we can check facts.

Although - I did remember the people happy with U.S.A. I remember how they cheered us. I was starting to think I had gone as looney as the left - but your column reminded me - it is not my memory of history that is skewed - it is the MSM's presentation of history that is skewed.

Spreading liberalism around the world
Dr. Paul Kengor, we were greeted as liberals maybe, but not as liberators.


45Caliber & Kathy
I guess you don't get it. The future of oil supplies is what I'm talking about and so is John McCain. Not the current supply we get from Iraq.
As far as why are the prices so high, oil barrel prices are set by Big oil and their lobbyists.
Oil produced in the U.S. didn't make any difference in how high the price at the pump was/is. It's still the same Big oil companies running the show. The oil that comes out of Alaska goes straight to Exxon. Maybe you can recall the Exxon Valdez oil spill.
Check it out.
Let's not forget, the number one supplier of oil to the U.S. is Canada, number two is Saudi Arabia, number three is Mexico and number four is Venezuela. Iraq is down further on the list but that would change as long we maintain our hold on Iraq.

Arturus
" Bush spent months going to the UN, working with allies, and providing congress with all of the information they needed so that Congress would authorize his actions."

The facts are, he went about finding information that would be favorable to war, not information in making a wise decision.

For example,

At that same meeting, CIA (news - web sites) director George Tenet produced an aerial photograph of a factory in Iraq that he said might be being used to produce chemical or biological weapons.

O'Neill, who had run Alcoa Corporation, interjected: "I've seen a lot of factories around the world that look a lot like this one. What makes us suspect that this one is producing chemical or biological agents for weapons?"

There were also CIA agents who told Bush, the WMD are not real.

Hey "True Independant" (LOL)
When we talk about being greeted as liberators, the people whom we are generally speaking of are the every day average Iraqis, who during Saddam's reign, were oppressed, imprisoned, tortured and killed for so much as expressing views deemed unacceptable by the regime. You know, the very things you (leftist idiots) accuse Bush of doing without the slightest evidence.

Now, I readily admit that there were many factions in the general population who joined the ranks of Alqaeda and Iran backed militants. But this not because they loved Saddam or because they missed him. Rather, it was because these people were fed lies and propaganda about how the U.S. wanted to steal there oil, rape their women and kill their children. And this lie was reinforced by our Democrap "leaders" in congress, like Murtha, Kerry et al, when they claimed our troops were killing innocent Iraqis!

So yes, we were greeted as liberators. Perhaps not by Alqaeda, or other terrorists, ( you know, liberal allies) but by the people who had so much taken from them by that psychotic dictator (another ally of yours). The same dictator that would still be in power if it were up to " true independents" like yourself.

P.S: Please change your screen name to something that aligns more closely with the drivel you post.

Let's see, maybe you could try: " Flaming Liberal Retard."

revised history
I may be from a different era having served two tours in Vietnam but I recall clearly the same bait and switch tactics of the liberal machine in Washington, DC after the start of the war in Iraq as I saw while I was in Vietnam. Bush spent months going to the UN, working with allies, and providing congress with all of the information they needed so that Congress would authorize his actions. I also recall that the Clintons, Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry and everyone except Kucinich also spoke about the necessity of the impending war to stop Saddam. No sooner had the initial successes of our military and allies(including the welcoming of troops as liberators) been completed that the Democrats began their incessant drum beat about how we were in a quagmire just like in Vietnam. The constant litany of defeatism became a roar of condemnation which set the stage for Bush derangement syndrome and emboldened our adversaries. Do you think the forces of terrorism were not aware of the undermining effects of our Democrats and liberals? they welcome it just like they welcome the nomination of Barack Obama. If they could vote they would be happy to support such a kindred spirit as he. Gee, I've heard that they are even sending money to his campaign. Whoever said we were there for oil is fabricating lame excuses. I haven't noticed a jump in oil imports from Iraq and our troops have spent more time building or repairing civilian infastructure such as schools, hospitals, roads, water and electric utilities, not oil pipelines and shipping facilities. God help the USA if obama is elected.

Obama delenda est

What REALLY Happened ...
I've always wondered in history about what REALLY happened vs. what they tell you happened. There is an old line, "The victors write the history books."

So for fun, I've studied history to find out these discrepencies. I've always figured that the writers would make mistakes or would ease in their errors to slip by those who know better. Or the books were written after those who really knew died.

Now I see I was wrong all along. They depend upon idiots following a party lie to cover up the fact that they are trying to re-write history.

And they found the WMD's and...
there was peace all throughout the country, no looting, no sectarian violence, no kidnapping, no murder, no massive explosions, no...

Eleanor, Kathy, Ect.: OIL!!!
If it was true that we invaded Iraq for oil - WHY ARE OIL PRICES SO HIGH?

Why aren't we getting all the oil from there? Iraq doesn't even belong in the top three countries in providing oil to us. It should if we had invaded the country to take their oil.

This is another typical stupid liberal argument for what occured there that is totally wrong and repeated endlessly because the libs can't think for themselves.

Instead of the MSM and Libs
If you want the REAL story of what is going on in Iraq and what the people there think of us, ask the returning soldiers. They aren't trying to curry political favor with persons in the government or the MSM. They are willing to tell you exactly what they saw and experienced.

The MSM and the Liberals try to change history and the war to suit their own agenda. The soldiers know and tell the real truth.

this guy is nuts
even the bush administration does not make the claim this guy does.

i remember the toyota pick up trucks full of sadams mujahadeen, attacking and being attacked.

oh yea the sunnis were real happy and anbar province was a peaceful desert oasis.


true-independent?
IRAQIS DID NOT DO THAT NUMBNUTS! ALL OF THE MURDERERS ARE FOREIGN MUSLIMS...LIKE al qaeda!

President Obama?
The Obama camp just released new TV and Radio ADS. They are in Spanish that say Rush Limbaugh and Senator McCain are anti-Hispanic.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com says,"Obama is lying."

Does anyone watching Obama hear what he says in his speeches? Does anyone listen to him at the debates? Does anyone hear what he says on TV? OK! It appears millions have watched and listened to everything he has said from the corners of the earth.

Problem is, JUST ABOUT EVEYTHING the man says,IT IS ALL LIES, has said ARE LIES and will say in the future WILL BE ALL LIES!

Obama- accepting money from foreigners?
Sen. Obama claims he isn't Muslim! His former class-mates in his Muslim school in Indonesia were quoted as saying that as a student he studied the Qu'ran diligently, although he wasn't required to; he memorized parts of it, and thought it was beautiful. Now he's accused of accepting money from thousands of foreigners from overseas, which is illegal. Are some of those foreign supporters Muslims who hate America?

Reply to Eleanor
I hear that all the time-we went into Iraq for oil. Hardly-the percentage of our total oil use that is received from Iraq is under 20%. We get more oil from our northern and southern neighbors.

As for the troops being seen as liberators, I believe it-having talked with several young men who were THERE and told me how much the people were happy to see them.

Public Opinion
Seems I remember a story of a man who rode into Jerusalem many years ago amid shouts of "Hosanna", but six days later he had been beaten, crucified and laid in a grave with those same people watching and agreeing.

The local political leaders of the day succeeded in turning the crowd against him. It's often best not to judge someone by another's opinion of him. Neither does the majority have any sense when it comes to picking its leaders.

Bush isn't/wasn't/won't be the Messiah, but neither is Obama.

Lon
All those people of Iraq were not trying to kill us so no excuse for invading the country there.
The ones who were trying to kill us were based in Afghanistan where the President decided we had succeeded so now we could go after Saddam and his oil.
Oil, Oil, Oil. Just what the people of Iraq greeted us with. Why are the American forces here they were asked, "oil" was the number one answer they gave. That's all documented too.

liberators?
Oh how the terrorists love to hear the rantings of the left. Rest assured, if the left continues to be in charge, we will one day need liberators in this country.

We invaded a country
We were not greeted as liberators, we were greeted as oil mongers as soon as we invaded. That was the reaction we got from the Iraqi people when we sent forces into their country. That's all documented and I'm sure if you reach back to the very beginning of this war you will remember that.
When we knocked down the big statue of Saddam Hussein, yes the people cheered and maybe some of them felt liberated. But, it didn't start that way, we were not greeted as liberators.
If we had performed Mission Accomplished so early in this war why are we still there?
When we found there were no WMD's why didn't we leave?
The fundamental reason we stayed is for the same reason we invaded, oil rights. Ask John McCain he has said he expects Iraq will be a major source of oil for America within 10 years.
When we captured Saddam why didn't it end then?

Sorry Folks

If you think we were received as liberators then you clearly missed the part where we had to spend 500 billion dollars and lose 4500 lives in Iraq.

The Saddam statue was a staged media event. presenting it here as some natural outburst of love for Americans is misleading, at best.

Misguided
This is what I'm talking about. Why are we splitting freaking hairs about being greeted as liberators. The war is unpopular so why are we trying to justify or own in? Why aren't we trying to own some sort of economic policy. Its time for a McCain New Deal. But no, thats too smart. Too bad folks, we will lose this thing in November

Troll Alert!!!
"Who you gonna believe, b!tch? Me, or your own lying eyes?" - Richard Pryor.

These trolls, suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, expect us to believe the revised history as "modified" at KOS, HUFF and DU, and to completely suspend our collective and individual memories. This was a mere five years ago; I witnessed the events as they unfolded and my memory matches the evidence as presented by Doctor Kengor.

Thank you, Doctor Kengor, for the reminder!

You America-hating trolls can retire under the rock from whence you came!

The left can't think for itself
It just parrots their fascist leaders. Look at what Lon and 'true-independent' wrote. They can't differentiate between soldiers killed by the enemy, and the thankful liberated. As though U.S. soldiers weren't killed liberating France from the Nazis, or protecting S. Korea from the Chinese, etc. One of the reasons Iraq fell so quickly is that 90% of the country hated Hussein, and welcomed us as liberators. It is a plain and evil lie for Obama to assert otherwise. It is a slander against our troops to allow this to go unchecked. Thanks Dr. Kengor for pointing this out. I emailed you column to both campaign. My instinct was to blame McCain for not correcting Obama, but the Obama campaign spreads lies more quickly and thickly than a manure spreader on an Iowa cornfield that it's almost impossible to keep up. Just ask joltin' Joe Biden, the Home Depot maven.

bh0's ignorance showed
Yes, Americans were greeted as liberators (from Saddam Hussein's oppresion) when Saddam was overthrown--but explain in historical context.

Indians were also greeted as liberators by Bangladesh on 1971/12/16--indeed, Maj. Gens GS Nagra (Hindu) and JFR Jacob (Jewish) were lifted on crowd's (easily 90% Muslim) shoulders and paraded. Only five years later, some of the same crowd also demonstrated (in a protest organised by Maulana Bhashani) outside the Indian High Commission in Dhaka about Farraka Barrage.

BTW, Nagra and Jacob are still seen as heroes in Bangladesh as is their superior Lt. Gen. JS Arora (1916-2005)--but that does not mean that Banglas would at all welcome rule by Delhi.

maybe this helps
I think it may have been all of those people trying to kill us that has Obama doubting that we were greeted as liberators. But I suppose some people may simply respond to liberators by trying to kill them.

Bush's failure
Pres Bush's biggest failure was in not finding a way around the news media, ceding the public opinion battlefield. The support of those willing to dig for information is not enough.

True-independent, did you cheer like the little sheep you are?

Greeted as liberators?
I keep thinking of that charred corpse hanging from a trestle.

Some welcome wagon.
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