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Friday, May 09, 2008
Dr. Paul  Kengor :: Townhall.com Columnist
George "Truman" Bush
by Dr. Paul Kengor
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A new CNN poll ranks President George W. Bush the most unpopular president in modern American history. The key figure is not Bush’s 28 percent approval rating, which, though dismal, is not as poor as all-time lows set by Harry S Truman (22 percent) and Richard Nixon (24 percent), but his disapproval rating, which has soared to 71 percent. No president had ever cracked the 70-percent ceiling. The previous record in CNN or Gallup polling was set by Truman, who reached 67 percent disapproval in January 1952.

Oddly, Bush’s decline is tied (in part) to declining support for the Iraq situation, which has actually turned around and gone comparatively well for almost a year now, as opposed to the mess through 2005 and 2006.

Nonetheless, I’m not surprised by these numbers. George W. Bush is not a popular president. I, too, have my qualms with him and his administration. As a conservative, it burns me that there were no long-term, hallmark domestic achievements by President Bush, like drilling for oil domestically, or a flat tax—and with no less than a Republican Congress at his disposal. On the plus side, I commend his work on life issues like abortion and embryonic research; his modest but important tax reductions; and his outstanding Supreme Court appointments. He also secured some stunning international triumphs in areas like AIDS in Africa, albeit silently.

The word “silently” is instructive, since it bears on the central liability of the Bush presidency: a horrid inability to communicate. This was so bad that there effectively was no bully pulpit under this president. That failure is not just Bush’s but his entire staff. They allowed the opposition to define the debate and public perception, particularly on Iraq and the Middle East.

And yet, it remains in Iraq and the Middle East where Bush’s potential long-term impact resides, as does his place in history. It is there, too, that a Bush comparison to Harry S Truman is most fitting.

Our most popular presidents were those who won wars, not presided over their start. George W. Bush is the first post-9/11 president; he is presiding over the start of a long War on Terror, not its finish. This was likewise true for Truman and the Cold War. We should no more expect victory from Bush at this point in the war than we expected from Truman in the Cold War in 1947.

I’m not the first to make this analogy. I recall an intriguing May 2003 piece in the London Times by Tim Hames, who searched for a presidential analogy to the current president. Was Bush another Woodrow Wilson? Was he somehow Rooseveltian? No, opined Hames, if Bush bears comparison it is with Harry Truman. Truman, says Hames, was a slightly accidental president mocked by elites. He immediately faced globe-altering developments: the end of World War II, the advent of the bomb, the superpower confrontation. He looked into the eye of a storm that would stir for decades. He had to lay the groundwork for a long war with many pauses and disappointments. “[Truman] had to shape foreign policy on the hoof,” averred Hames, “invent institutions at home and abroad to match new circumstances, set precedents and draw lines in the sand.”

Like Truman, Bush built new bureaucracies to handle new realities, such as an Office/Department of Homeland Security, sought massive defense expenditures, and enunciated grand new national-security doctrines. Truman established containment and his NSC produced the 1950 document NSC-68. Bush initiated preemption and his NSC produced the 2002 National Security Strategy. Hames noted it was Truman, the man from Independence, who claimed a statesman is a politician who has been dead 10 or 15 years.

George W. Bush’s long-term strategy for the Middle East is to plant the seeds of a wider democratic revolution—starting in Iraq and Afghanistan—that eventually produces a “democratic peace,” one utterly crucial to taming the region before WMDs are easily available to theocratic regimes. I believe his long-term plan for the Middle East is our only hope in stopping the region from ultimately wreaking havoc on itself, America, and the world—a literal life-or-death proposition. The big question is whether it will work, and whether the costs to get there are worth the price. No one knows—and the public is largely oblivious to the plan, particularly because of that terrible failure of this administration to communicate.

Bush has acknowledged that if he is vindicated in the Middle East, it will not happen while he is president, nor even in his lifetime—like Truman, who died nearly two decades before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

George W. Bush has reconciled himself to the reality that he will leave the White House an unpopular president. Call me sentimental, but I find something admirable, even moving, about the man’s stoic ability to do what he feels is right and to put country, and even the world, above himself. The most unpopular president in modern history?—so be it. He quietly, humbly does nothing to toot his own horn, with no concern for legacy and no team of handlers trying to make him look good.

Like the man from Independence, Missouri, the man from Midland, Texas will be content with no ticker-tape parade, and (likely) with never living to see the fruits of his labor.

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Dr. Paul Kengor, author of spiritual biographies of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, has just published God and Hillary Clinton and The Judge: William P. Clark, Ronald Reagan's Top Hand. He is a professor of political science and executive director of the Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College.

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Good article overall, but why the
adoration of Truman?
I understand that from leftist revisionists, but not from a supposed conservative.
Truman not only allowed Soviet agents to go throughout the govt but covered up for them and held them in positions even when the FBI gave absolute proof that they were spies. All the while touting a "Loyalty Board" to the American people that was supposedly dealing with the problem.
Please, can we leave the hagiographies of FDR and Truman to leftist revisionists.

Executive or Imperial Branch?

Independent Institute

Ivan Eland

More memos recently have surfaced that were written early in the Bush administration by John C. Yoo from the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel — the man who gave us the administration’s horrifyingly narrow definition of torture. As difficult as it is to believe, the recently released memos are even scarier than the original torture memo.

Yoo boldly asserts that the president’s power during wartime is nearly unlimited. For example, he argues that Congress has no right to pass laws governing the interrogations of enemy combatants and the commander-in-chief can ignore such laws if passed, and can, without constraint, seize oceangoing ships.

The memos also argue that military operations in the United States against terrorists are not subject to the Fourth Amendment requirement for search warrants or the Fifth Amendment requirement for due process.

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Balanced Article
And worth the reading. The world became too small too fast.

Truman and Korea
While I tend to agree with sentiments that Truman did more to cause the Cold War then end it, I believe that his support of the Korean War (the easiest parallel with Bush and his unpopular war) has borne good fruit.

Imagine a world where Kim Jong Il controlled the entire Korean Peninsula with no American military presence on his doorstep. The peoples of South Korea would be living under the same deplorable conditions, instead of being a beachhead of Democracy and the free-market.

There may well come a time in the not too distant future when we are glad to have US troops strategically located in Iraq, and an ally where an enemy used to be.

John Konop
Historically, Yoo is right. Lincoln violated the Constitution with the Emancipation Proclamation, FDR when he interred the Japanese. The less Said about Wilson the better.

Presidents during wartime have a duty to protect the nation despite the best efforts of some of its own citizens to undermine the war effort. As such, their powers expand as a practical matter.

Historically, Bush has tread very lightly, compared to the above examples. Wanting to read your library history or listen to a phone conversation is nothing considering the stakes of this game.

Nobody has accused this president of using any of these techniques for partisan advantage, ie locking up opposition leaders, spying on prominent Democrats, perusing FBI files (unlike the Clintons), or even intimidation. While I am certain that some innocents will suffer as a result of some of his actions, there is no police officer who has never interrogated or arrested an innocent man.

The key is appropriateness to the national security objectives without thwarting the ability of the citizens to dissent. I think Bush passes with flying colors.

It Continues
Like Truman, Dubya has committed us to a long-term course of action which we may abandon only at our own peril.

As it is the only course that can maintain the USA as a free and independent federal republic, I applaud him for that.

In order to finish what Truman started, Ronald Reagan had to make some improvements in our domestic situation.

Some future President will have to conclude that victory over there requires less government back here. We are engaged in mortal combat with a culture based on prior restraints and which gives theological cover to same. Our own prior restraints can only act to help the other side.
They will have to be greatly reduced before we can prevail-----as we shall.

Less government for final victory? Can't beat that with a willow stick. The Man from Midland
not only resembles the Man from Independence, but also looks like J Stewart as The Man From Laramie. Let's hear it for that incredible cultural matrix called the permian Basin.

Legacy
Mr. Bush has screwed up by the numbers in many ways, most obviously in communications. Even when he does the right thing, he and his inept people have failed to articulate the positive aspects of his ideas.

That being said, I suspect that Mr. Bush will, in the long run, be rated as a superior executive. He stuck to what he believed to be the right course to protect the nation when all about him counseled otherwise.

Look at the prospective replacements: Clinton II, Obama, McCain. Ugh!

George Bush
Will be remembered for our nation's first unilateral attack, based on faulty intelligence, and for delivering Iraq into the hands of the Iranians. If the Sadrists prevail in the provincial elections in the south, the result will be what amounts to Hizbollah with lots and lots of oil wealth. All while the Taliban is taking over Afghanistan, poppy production is at astounding levels, and the Pakistanis reject the Bush puppet and vote in a coaltion which has made clear the gov't will not act as US proxies in the region.

Bush has reigned over the greatest foriegn policy blunder of our generation, and as such will be remembered by history.

history
Lest we forget, Bush also had the highest sustained presidential approval rating in our history. The reason Bush's approval ratings have dropped so dramatically is because he's a leader not a poll reader.

Bush removed two of the worst despotic regimes on the planet, and he did it losing less troops than we lost just PRACTICING for the D-day landings of WW2. Bush gave over fifty million people the chance for freedom, and he did it losing less troops than we lost in Korea due to a lack of winter gear. Bush has done more for women's rights than any president in our history. Before Bush removed the Taliban women were nothing more than property. Today women have the right to an education and even hold elective office.

Now you have an historical perspective, which is complete different from your highly biased perspective.



Harry Truman left office with his approval ratings in the low twenties, and today is seen as one of our greatest presidents. Take a good look at histories judgement of American presidents, and realize that history is remarkedly kind to wartime presidents.

Should Afghanistan and Iraq turn into stable democracies, something the Left is determined not to let happen because, Bush will go down in history as one of our greatest presidents, despite what his contemporary critics have to say.

wait on history k?
Bush removed two of the worst despotic regimes on the planet, and he did it losing less troops than we lost just PRACTICING for the D-day landings of WW2. Bush gave over fifty million people the chance for freedom, and he did it losing less troops than we lost in Korea due to a lack of winter gear. Bush has done more for women's rights than any president in our history. Before Bush removed the Taliban women were nothing more than property. Today women have the right to an education and even hold elective office.

Harry Truman left office with his approval ratings in the low twenties, and today is seen as one of our greatest presidents. History is remarkedly kind to wartime presidents.

Should Afghanistan and Iraq turn into stable democracies, something the Left is determined not to let happen because, Bush will go down in history as one of our greatest presidents, despite what his contemporary critics have to say.

The Truman effect on history
Bush#2 will be remembered by historians as a very courageous president, as they now remember HST as a most courageous man. That HST made a lot of mistakes, I will grant you, but by and large history is very kind to HST, as history will be very kind to Bush#2. HST considered McArthur as a political enemy, that's why he fired him. I'm sure, in retrospect, had HST and Mac, chose to be friends instead of polical enemies, who knows, maybe there wouldn't be a North Korea, you think?

I think the author missed the big issue
Bush's approval ratings dissolved not because of Iraq, but because of illegal immigration. Even though I am inclined to agree with Mr. Bush that a rational approach, and avoid jingoist retardisms that drive too much of american politics.

The other thing I noticed is that Mr. Bush the president is entirely different than Bush the campaigner. Mr. Bush tries to hard to be a "uniter" and remains unnecessarily soft spoken.

So it remains, if Bush hadnt opened his yap on illegal immigration, he would still be in 40% range for approval.

Points to ponder.
In order to encourage the development of self governance and democratic rule in Iran, Jimmy Carter implemented policies whose goal was to remove the Shah, the Iranian autocrat.

In order to encourage the development of self governance and democratic rule in Iraq, G.W. Bush implemented policies whose goal was to remove Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi autocrat.

The Shah was secular, and was hostile to the Shia-based Islamic orthodoxy of Iranian Shia clerics.

Saddam Hussein was secular, and was hostile to the Shia-based Islamic orthodoxy of Iraqi Shia clerics.

Jimmy Carter did not invade Iran, but his policies helped to bring about a Shia fundamentalist regime in Iran.

G.W. bush did invade Iraq, but while his policies brought about an end of a tyrant, a Shia fundamentalist regime in Iraq was the result.

Now the Iraqi government may not be quite as fundamentalist as Iran's, but it does share alot of the same beliefs and goals as its Shia neighbor. Ahmadinejad can walk freely around Baghdad with no fear. Can G.W. Bush?

The Iraqi parliament(Shia-based)did publicly declare its support for Hezbollah in last year's flare-up against Israeli troops in Lebanon.

Given that, why could you not argue G.W. Bush has alot more in common with Jimmy Carter, than with Harry Truman?

You could even throw in outrageously high gasoline prices into the mix. Both presidents presided over that development.

G.W. Bush shares the same poor poll numbers at the end of his presidency, as both Jimmy Carter and Harry Truman.

You can more easily argue Bush has alot in common with Carter, than with Truman.

No fan of Bush
But, I don't hate the guy either. In my opinion Bush's presidency will be judged by history as mediocre, that is to say neither good nor bad.

Bush's attempt to "unite" Americans was a dismal failure. You simply can't unite the irrational and nearly insane left-wing part of the population with the rational and productive conservative part of the population. No one can do that it's simply not possible.

Bush's immigration fiasco is the other big mistake. Considering the extreme financial burden placed on the nation by illegal immigrants and the obvious security issues of an unsecured border it's no surprise that Bush's approval ratings are so low.

Considering the expansion of radical Islam in the world and the Islamization of Europe, Iraq and Afghanistan were right on target. Execution could have been much better but it is what it is. We can thank entrenched liberal bureaucrats at State and the CIA for many of the problems with Iraq. Assuming that no other president does anything about Islamic radicals, as promised by the left's two marxist candidates, Bush will be remembered as the guy who tried to stop the enslavement of the world.

All you liberal girls out there should look pretty good in your new burqa's and hajibs. Your boyfriends and husbands will then be entitled to do anything they like with you, you'll be property. And so the freedoms fought for by many will be lost, the pathetic and insane left will have won the day, and the eventual stop in hell will have been paved by liberals "good intentions".


George "Truman" Bush
I have never thought Mr. Bush was up to functioning as President. He seemed to lack an astuteness of mind that is so necessary. He also promised to reach across the isle and work with Democrats. That was foolish because that party is now dominated by starry eyed liberals who can be trusted only when they are sleeping at night.

No, I think an effective President must take the office with an agenda and "bull doze" it through. We must establish energy sufficiency and a sound economic base or our reality as a super power will melt like wax in a burning candle.

Think for a Brief Moment Paul!
"George W. Bush’s long-term strategy for the Middle East is to plant the seeds of a wider democratic revolution—starting in Iraq and Afghanistan—that eventually produces a “democratic peace,” one utterly crucial to taming the region before WMDs are easily available to theocratic regimes."

OK, now take the next logical step here in the thinking department there Paul;

What do you suppose in your wisdom will eventually be the result of "democracy" in a region thoroughly dominated by Islam and muslims? Have you ever given that a moment's worth of thought?

Do you even know what the definition of "democracy" is? You certainly don't sound as if you do?

By the way, here are just a few verses from the Quran, not a field manual for radical jihadists, the Quran, you know, the book that muslims go ape$hit over seeing even handled by the "unholy" and go on global killing rampages for little more;

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah

[4.144] O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends;

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah;

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Now, as a simple connect the dots exercise for you, perhaps instead you can write an article outlining what a peoples that believes in the above would do in a democratic environment! You can't be this dumb and ignorant is my thought here.


Now they want Truman on Mr. Rushmore
Bush has given a huge nation of 24,000,000 in the center of the Middle East a shot at freedom and capitalism.

Japan (10 years in converting), Germany, and S. Korea former enemies and allies are now all worldwide capitalist and democractic successes. To change the fairly monolithic Japan from an isolated Far Eastern dictatorial militaristic theocracy into a Westernized dem. was no small feat.

A free Iraq now has a 6% GNP, higher oil production, and better infrastructure than 30 years of Saddam gave even to Baghdad alone.

Bush spent a year of his 2nd term trying to convince the US to address Sco. Sec. and Medicare reform, which no one wanted to hear about.

Those who fall/fell for the bad intelligence on Iraq (Russia's and China's intelligence was exactly the same) krap and *those people can't understand freedom* and, worst, we deserve the hate of the rest of the world cannot be argued with and will forever live with their misinformation and disbelief regardless.

Bush Supporter
I was a stauch Bush supporter and stil am in part.
I agree with much of the above article but would add that much of the reason for Bush's failing support is because he cannot decided what side of the political spectrum he is on. People want clear and honest leadership even when they do not agree with all the decisions.
Although I believe his cause for the war was just it could have been handled in a more methodical and swifter way.
The opportunities for his presidency with a republican majority were not taken and this has strained the relationship between Bush, The Republican Party, and conservatives who put them in power. John McCain misread this and has presented greater problems for the party in the coming election.

CNN APPROVAL RATING < 20%
CNN APPROVAL RATING < 20%

CNN is like Muzak, I only see it when I go to a place with a waiting quey; i.e., doctor's office, bank, airline terminal, and if samoone has a laptop with WiFi then CNN and television are ignored.

CNN. Time Magazine, Sports Illistrated are limited to waiting rooms or selling to the Vytorin Generation. I prefer an old copy of National Geographic while waiting to have my procto procted.

Re Pres. Bush's Legacy
Dear Dr. Kengor:

In your column today you write: "I find something admirable, even moving, about (Pres. Bush's) stoic ability to do what he feels is right and to put country, and even the world, above himself". Re Pres. Bush's legacy, please see:

- Page 260 of the 9/11 Commission Report which tells how Pres. Bush in 2001 directed the CIA to advise him whether any terrorist threats pointed to an attack upon the United States, and then proceeded to discount as "historical in nature" the Aug. 6, 2001 warning by two CIA analysts that "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." was CURRENT AND SERIOUS."

- April 9, 2004 Newsday column by conservative journalist James P. Pinkerton who wrote that "President George W. Bush got a blunt warning five weeks before 9/11 and he did little or nothing."

- Aug. 16, 2004 remarks by Pres. Bush, who, speaking in Traverse City, Mich., told a crowd of supporters: "After 9/11, we must take threats seriously," in effect confirming that Mr. Bush and his team had failed to take seriously the terrorist threats which abounded during the summer of 2001.

nmi
Ahh so Bush gets the blame for doing nothing before 9/11 while Clinton ignored actual attacks by Islamic terrorists. I can see the logic there, how bloody convenient for leftist imbeciles. Clinton's response was bombing an empty field and an aspirin factory. I submit to you that had Clinton taken Islamic terrorist attacks seriously 9/11 would not have happened. Instead Bubba was busy committing adultery with a little girl less than half his age in our house.

It seems to me that no one took Islamic terrorism seriously including Clinton. Your response is a lot more than disingenuous, it's a sort of twisted ignorance. Also, a "CIA" warning? Is it not a fact that the CIA has bungled almost everything and in fact often forwards bogus information. Isn't it a fact the the word "intelligence" in the CIA's acronym reflects no such thing?

Wysman
"The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones."

"No sooner is the exploitation of the labourer by the manufacturer, so far, at an end, that he receives his wages in cash, than he is set upon by the other portions of the bourgeoisie, the landlord, the shopkeeper, the pawnbroker, etc."

The “dangerous class”, [lumpenproletariat] the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of the old society, may, here and there, be swept into the movement by a proletarian revolution; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue."
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"Now, as a simple connect the dots exercise for you, perhaps instead you can write an article outlining what a peoples that believes in the above would do in a democratic environment! You can't be this dumb and ignorant is my thought here."

Nuther quote
In randomly picking some quotes from the communist manifesto in order to point up some other problems with democracy Wysman points out, I really like the final ending:

"In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.

In all these movements, they bring to the front, as the leading question in each, the property question, no matter what its degree of development at the time.

Finally, they labour everywhere for the union and agreement of the democratic parties of all countries.

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win."

The parallels with Islamism are striking. Pretty well sums up the democratic party platform also. I guess that is why they want to surrender to them. Two peas in a pod.

Ramos and Compean
To me, the most revealing example of Bush's lack of understanding of his former constituency is his absolute refusal to consider any sort of pardon to these two border patrol agents.
Some of you will disagree with me on this, but I suspect those who do are the remaining few in his 28 percent approval pool.
Couple his lack of action on the border patrol agents with his eager set aside of the prison sentence of a aide who either participated in, or lied about his involvement in outing an undercover agent, and you have a president who seems to be actively seeking out the slot of "least popular ever."

Bush & The Economy!
The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class
This is a Jefferson-Madison lecturer from Harvard consumer law professor Elizabeth Warren , and author of “The Two Income Trap”, in a (longish) lecture that strips away the BS and explains what middle-class Americans have and continue to face. The discussion centers on wages, savings, debt, spending, and the injection of women into the work force, all since the ’70’s. This is not pretty. Fastinating information on where family incomes go and the risks they face, compared to the 1970’s.

WATCH

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-coming-collaps e-of-the-middle-class

George "Truman" Bush
Having lived through th terms of President Hoover, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, Johnson, Carter (the biggest idiot of all) Regan, Clinton and Bush -- and having served in the US Army's infantry as well as the US Stars & Stripes, I have a feeling that the "Truman" Bush column is correct.

People's memories are very short. Today, people scream about military casualties in Iraq even though our dead or missing toll of about 24,000 in just the battle of the Hurtgen Forest Sept.'44 to Feb '45. We gained less than a mile in this battle. At about the same time, Mid-December '44 to mid-January '45, the "Battle of the Bulge" surprised us and we lost 29,000 dead or missing in action. All under the leadership of FDR and his generals.

Unfortunately, most people here are not familiar with Islamic history, It took Spain about 800 years of warfare to rid itself of the Moorish Islamic occupation. I don't think many of our voters would like to hear about how long our battle with Islamic Extremists will last, but it will probably be for at least decades.

Anyway, Dr. Kenger. Keep writing. Somebody has too.

The Blame Game
For Norm re 11:51 am post:

I refer you to the words of Town Hall columnist and National Review editor Rich Lowry who, in Sept. 2005 wrote: "A vigorous blame game is the still the only way to keep government failures from being conveniently ignored."

That goes for the failures of Bill Clinton as it does for Pres. Bush. THREE THOUSAND people died on our soil on 9/11; ALL those whose negligence helped open the door for the terrorists should be held accountable.

As for "leftist imbeciles," James P. Pinkerton, who wrote that "President George W. Bush got a blunt warning five weeks before 9/11 and did little or nothing," is a respected Conservative Republican who worked in the White House under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

And as for the CIA, if in fact the CIA was as inept and unreliable as you claim, how do you account for the fact that not only did Pres. Bush rely on George Tenet's "slam dunk" to take us to war in Iraq, but Mr. Bush also honored the former CIA Director with the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Worst view
GWB is worst, but in fairness, he attenuated horrific trends and adopted every policy to destroy this country, while advancing the agenda for neocons and war profiteers. For contempt of our immigration laws and war on pretext, he should be impeached.


Our government “Classified” the evidence against Israel in 1967 bombing of USS Liberty and did so again with evidence against it in 9/11. It even kept the most sensitive evidence from 9/11 Commission. Five Israeli army officers, dressed as Palestinians, dancing and high five-ing each other, as they filmed 9/11 as it occurred is an incident well reported in Scotland, but cryptically in Wash.Post so as to reveal no substance. The evidence against Israel and neocons for 9/11 is massive and convincing. Many patriots agree: PatriotsforTruth.com. The War on Terror is total fraud designed to advance Israel’s interests and shield its history in terror. Most terrorism emanates from Mossad, often in tandem with our CIA. (Read Webster Griffin Trapley’s book Synthetic Terrorism, free online—he was summa c. laude Princeton). Mossad is suspected in London’s 7/7 bombings (2005?) and our former FBI superstar John O’Neal suspected Israel in bombing of USS Cole due to technology of explosive and detonator, but he was fired for that suspicion; hired as head of security for Twin Towers for eve of 9/11, went mysteriously missing for two days before 9/11, but whose body was found intact in ruins of 9/11. From the perspective of 9/11, GWB deserves tremendous criticism, which is an understated word, for the culmination of enslavement of our nation by control of mainstream information, and willingness to forsake our freedoms and drive us to a police state while destroying the country economically, culture-wise, demographically, and border wise via new world order (without discussion).

Worst view II
Few Americans know, or could comprehend, the affinity of neocons for Marxism or the destruction of America as their goal. There has been an evil combination between government and the mainstream media. Accord: Noam Chomsky; accord Carl Berstein to Congressional Church Committee from 1977 (over 400 journalists as part of PsyOps then). Coordinated articles and books financed by CIA to achieve desired results (such as acceptance of torture, use of nuclear weapons, pre-emptive war, fear of terrorism, induce military spending, police state, change demographics of country, direct our choices of candidates that fit their agenda, etc.)

Relative to our country, Israel and our CIA, the premise of a 1993 banned book, Final Judgment by Piper --www.amfirstbooks.com, is that Israel and our CIA killed JFK due to his opposition to their nuclear agenda. Shortly before his assassination, JFK warned through his favorite media source that if there was a coup de tat, it would involve CIA who defiantly ignored him as thought it was its own government. We forget that years later a Florida Jury found our CIA was involved. The premise of this 1993 book was validated on July 25, 2004 when Jerusalem Post reported that Israeli nuclear scientist, Dr. Mordechai Vanunu, released after 18 years of imprisonment, affirmed that Israel did assassinate JFK precisely because of his interference with their nuclear ambitions. As with any truth adverse to Israel, this 2004 report was not published in USA mainstream media.

Cleverness
"Presidents during wartime have a duty to protect the nation despite the best efforts of some of its own citizens to undermine the war effort. As such, their powers expand as a practical matter"

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This is often the rationale used by the powerful to tamp down public will and assume unlimited power. Bush's legislative overrides outnumber by tens those of any other president in history; he accomplished the acceptance of this by mongering fear and talk of "mushroom clouds". He, or Cheyney understood the lesson of all arrogant leaders - that if you can frighten people enough, you can do anything you like and they will accept it. This is why Americans accepted concentration camps for their own citizens, and why they have accepted torture.

50 years afterward
50 years after the Truman Administration, history has indeed been kinder to Truman.

But 50 years after the Bush Administration, I will most likely not be alive. (I would be over 100 years old.)

So what historians in the year 2060 think of Bush, is not my concern. I will be in the grave then.

What I can say is that, like Truman, Bush left an immediate mess that his successor will need to sort out.

But unlike Truman in Korea, Bush's original goal in going into Iraq has long since come and gone. And whatever the heck we're doing there now, it's not what the original war resolution passed by Congress stated. There was nothing in it about "building democracy" or "fighting Sadrists" or anything of that nature. Bush glommed onto those goals in desperation after no WMD was found inside Iraq.

Unlike Truman in Korea, we created a much bigger mess for ourselves than we needed to.

why, why,why?
Is truman so revered(sp)?
Oh, he did some good things for minorities..okay.
what else that is..GREAT!!
THIS IS THE CLOWN THAT HAD TO ALMOST BE BEATEN TO DEATH TO DROP THE A BOMB TO END THE WAR !
This is the mad hatter that fired general macarthur(geez iam tired)please excuse my poor typing......China was our main enemy then and now!
Truman was a typical @#$%^& democrat that didnt have the guts to win a war that could have been won!
Goodnight..goodnight? Geez it's not even dinner time out her in mexifornia?
elvis

How and who will deal with it?
Dr. Kengor:

I whole-heartily agree with your assessment. Hindsight always seems to be 20/20; what if this or that, but the final outcomes have always been positive for the most part and some even positively delightful. After all, we are only human, and being human we do make mistakes. The heavy and almost unbearable costs have always been enormous. This is the biggest challenge of the twenty-first century, sacrifices well be required; will we be up to the task? Pervious generations have always been welling to make those sacrifices and meet those challenges head-on. Currently, to my despair, future generations just do not have the fortitude for making those sacrifices. My despair is based upon all the negatives rather than positives I feel and see daily.

It seems that every national election we've had

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You Morons
Dr. Kengor,

You and the other lemmings of the Republican Hate Machine voted for the imbecile and now you expect us to believe that your party should be given a do-over after 4,000 American kids have been mowed down like sitting ducks on a pond. Shame on you and all those you influenced. See you in eight years after the Democrats have pieces together things just as they did when the last Republican President lied (Nixon) to us.

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Presidente Jorge reads a lot of history, but learns NOTHING from doing so! Ergo, he has condemned us to repeat the mistakes of the pointlessness in Viet Nam. He let the neoCONS (Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Kagan, Kristol) talk him into a profligate war of choice against the WRONG bad Islamics, who had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Saddam was OPPOSED to Iran AND Osama! The naivete REEKS! What might all of those BILLIONS have done to refund S.S., or rebuild infrasructure, or a small portion for REAL security/enforcement against the pernicious threat of the ILLEGAL alien invasion?!

re:
"Call me sentimental, but I find something admirable, even moving, about the man’s stoic ability to do what he feels is right and to put country, and even the world, above himself."

NOOOO!!!! He has simply been superciliously, stubbornly bull-headed down a primrose path of woe! If he had not started this unnecessary fiasco, we would not be wondering how do we escape the disaster! It IS Viet Nam redux!

Meanwhile, the REAL invasion from the south is permeating socio-economic disaster like a malignancy! Again, Rino, open border, NAU/SPP Presidente Jorge has resolutely embraced the myriad ignorant indigent culturally disparate, BUT Middle America must also suffer the consequences of this grand misjudgment.

There will be no Trumanesque resurrection for Presidente Jorge... he has beaten out Jimma' Carter for the nadir.

George "Truman" Bush
"and the public is largely oblivious to the plan, particularly because of that terrible failure of this administration to communicate."

I think the public is at fault because Bush speaks more clearly than any president since, well, Truman.

George "Truman" Bush
El Presidente George "Cinco de Mayo" Bush took us into a war in Iraq using phonied up BS. He pours the US's blood and wealth into the ME while allowing the US to be invade by a foreign power, Mexico. This war is Bush's baby, a quagmire, and has distracted the US from the real threat of a nuclear armed megapower, China. China is preparing itself for nuclear war with hidden nuclear submarine bases built largely with American capital that is pouring into China. Bush is the second of the presidents to preside over the fall of the US. Bush is not even a good Chamberlain.

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Clinton was the "teflon president"; nothing stuck to him. Bush has been the "tar-baby".

All things bad have been laid at Bush's feet, from the price of fuel to the sub-prime mortgage crisis, to Hurricane Katrina.

Conversely, he gets no credit for the longest period of sustained economic growth ever, liberating two brutally repressed nations, turning the tide in the African AIDS crisis, and holding the line in the culture war.

It is almost as if he thought the political side of the job of president ends as soon as you win re-election.

George "Truman" Bush
Bush is similar to Truman in that he has drawn the basic outlines of our policy on confronting Islamic terrorists -- as Truman adopted the Truman Doctrine, and "containment" in NSC-68.

Bush has differed from Truman in using the strategic method of what was called "rollback" during the Cold War, in confronting Islamism: being proactive rather than defensive and reactive.

Bush has also differed from Truman in achieving the strategic success of forcing the Islamist enemy to fight on the territory of his choosing, rather than waiting to meet the enemy where HE chooses. When the present generations and their political irrelevancies have passed away, Bush's achievement in forcing transnational guerrillas to fight for territory -- the only method by which they can be handed concrete losses -- is what historians will remember.

A key difference for Bush, as opposed to Truman, is the technological advances that have made expeditionary warfare effective for doctrine and policy. The technology of warfare made it a very different proposition to fight to an armistice in Korea, as opposed to regime-changing Iraq and Afghanistan. Truman would have had to get a LOT more Americans killed to pursue a more proactive policy in the early days of the Cold War.

Both presidents were despised and undermined by the foreign policy establishment, however. They had that going for them.

George "Truman" Bush
Jorge Bush invades Iraq and Al Qaeda's leader is a Saudi, and 15 of the 911 terrorists that knocked down the WTC and killed more civilians at once time than has ever happen were Saudis. It is not secret that the terrorists use Iraq as a training ground. We had Iraq under control, two no fly zones, we would not let them sell their oil, the country was broke, Saddam killed every terrorist he could get his hands on. He invades a sovereign country with his trumped up charges and the wounded and widowed and fatherless and motherless children of the Iraq war will be here long into the decades after Jorge Bush is gone. He refuses to stop a Mexican invasion of our country in fact refusing to uphold his oath of office. He is a sad sad person. This country will pay dearly for El Presidente Jorge.

George "Truman" Bush
As we face the coming end of the Bush 43 era, a burning question is WHY IS THERE STILL EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN THE NUMBERS OF ROCKEFELLER REPUBLICANS AND NEO-CONS COMING ALONG? Did their parents reject "family planning" for themselves, while bankrolling it for the rest of us? It sure looks that way. Their scions learned at least some of the values of Democrats and liberals from the private schools and Eastern colleges they attended and summers spent in Europe.

Another burning question is WHY ARE THERE SO FEW TRUE BLUE CONSERVATIVES WITH THE TALENT NEEDED TO HAVE A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN MAJOR LEAGUE POLITICS? Or are these parents so financially strapped that their children cannot develop any real talents because they have to fulfill duty rosters work to earn some money?

George "Truman" Bush
The basic disconnect in this comparison is that Islam has no Red Army and no Peoples Republic Army. Islam did not have the forces to defeat 192 German divisions - Stalin did. Islam is a minority on the face of the earth. It resides in areas imbued by poverty, and in general, by ignorance. Islam does not convert others, as Christianity does. It converts only itself. Whether or not Islam gets any WMD, is of interest only as it pertains to their ability to deliver those to some relevant place. An entirely different thing. The essence of war is that Islam, at this point, has nothing to threaten the East or the West with. The only issue will not be what we do now - or what Bush did in the past - it will be what the East and the West choose to do at the point that one of these nations gets both a weapon - and an ability to deliver it to Peking or Washington. At every step, we will have the ability to eradicate any threat - which is our ultimate power. Those that frame this as some grand and great battle for the soul of mankind ignore the more basic fact that the military power and the money exist in the West - and in the East. Our Tridents carry 144 independently targeted warheads. One carrier has the ability to eradicate an area the size of Oregon and Washington combined.

It's called perspective. Let's not lose our heads over a group of poor, almost powerless people squeezed between the superpowers and powers of the East and the West.


George "Truman" Bush
When they can figure out how to build a Trident - or how to build a functional ICBM - then I'll pay attention. In the meantime, they can threaten and complain and shake their fists all they want. I'll wait. We'll see.

My bet is that this will drag on for decades - and since the Middle East is almost exclusively made up of failed states, I would also bet that they will continue to fail precisely because Islam is an 8th century system of government - and it cannot succeed. They will never have the economies, or the money, it short, to build credible militaries. So just what is it everyone is so worried about?

This type of article attempts to compare entirely different realities in order to bolster Bush.

My bet is that no serious historian will ever draw such comparisons - because there is nothing to draw. The threats are dramatically different in scale. When Iran has 2000 ICBM's - as Russia did in the 50's - then you'll have a comparison.

These people are nothing but the proverbial gnats on the back of the elephants of the east and west.

TH is having many technical problems....
TH is having many technical problems....

TH is having many technical problems. I noticed comment pages are experiencing numerous issues. It appears that someone on TH is trying to fix the problems. I posted a comment that I thought TH's re-design was done poorly, but I think that after they get the problems fixed things will be back to normal.

Popularity
President George W. Bush, in my opinion, is one of the most active and influential presidents in modern history. You see we haven't been attacked since 9/11/01, and though we've lost nearly 4200 men and women in combat, this fight will go on for years, whether we're at the helm or not. Everybody's not perfect, and he has really humbled himself in asking for nothing. He just wants to see his kids have kids, and prosper, like the rest of us.He has protected this nation well, albeit, the borders are still not closed. And the economy has a chance to flourish. Though his harm overshadows his good, he suffers more than we do because of his position. So, give him his due. He deserves it.
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