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Monday, January 07, 2008
Douglas MacKinnon :: Townhall.com Columnist
U.S. Military Defeats Fourth Estate
by Douglas MacKinnon
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The new year means resolutions, and we can only hope that the Fourth Estate will make at least one of its own: A resolution that, for the sake of the nation, puts honorable journalism before political, cultural or religious bias, before competition, and before ratings.

While complaining about bias and unprofessional conduct by the media is nothing new in the post-Sept. 11 world we inhabit, the consequences of purposely flawed reporting have been magnified exponentially. At the end of the 18th century, historian Thomas Carlyle quoted Edmund Burke as saying, "there were Three Estates in Parliament; but in the Reporter' Gallery yonder, there sat a Fourth Estate more important than they all. It is not a figure of speech, or a witty saying; it is a literal fact ... Whoever can speak, speaking now to the whole nation, becomes a power, a branch of government, with inalienable weight in lawmaking, in all acts of authority."

While some believe Carlyle erroneously assigned credit to Burke regarding the "Fourth Estate," the tone and the warning attached to the Carlyle reporting could not be more accurate or timely. Our media do speak to the whole nation and in some ways have grown more powerful than some branches of government. As a profession, the various media outlets have the largest megaphones, and when they choose to unite on a subject — say, their opposition to the war in Iraq — then for the most part, that is the only opinion the vast majority of Americans will hear.

Having the means and the will to spread monolithic thought that shapes and molds the beliefs of the masses is a power long sought throughout history.

The only way it could get better is if left-leaning newspapers and networks got together to then "poll" the American people on the one-sided news they offered them with regard to the war and the Bush administration.

Well, things are much better. In a medium that basically polices itself, offering slanted news and then "polling" such myopic information is the norm for many. While a majority of journalists may still consider such conduct unprofessional, dangerous and diametrically opposed to the best interests of readers and viewers, none can deny that it is not a part of their industry.

As an example, any independent study of the media during the past few years will show an almost obsessive need to promote exclusively negative stories about Iraq. We have been told of the "horrible misconduct" of our soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison, the possible "atrocities" committed by our troops at Haditha, that al-Qaida was overrunning the country, that this was the "deadliest day," "deadliest week," "deadliest month" and "deadliest year" of the war, that the war was "lost," and finally, that the "surge" (meaning our troops) — would fail.

Iraq, and a strong dislike of this president by many journalists, seem to have caused some to compromise their profession and their principles. Lest we forget, Abu Ghraib, which some former Pentagon colleagues told me was nothing more than a reprehensible "fraternity prank," — was on our front pages and on our networks for weeks or months. By comparison, how much coverage did the capture, torture, physical mutilation and execution of some of our troops at the hands of the insurgents get? How many U.S. troops were killed by al-Qaida and other terrorists whipped into a frenzy by the nonstop showing of the Abu Ghraib photos and videos?

That same scenario and question applies to Haditha. It was not just the Marines who stood accused, but all of our troops were painted and smeared by a very wide media brush. Words and phrases such as "massacre," "war criminals," "mercenaries" and "in cold blood," covered our front pages and evening newscasts for weeks. Who in that same media has reported the dropped or reduced charges against those Marines? Where is the balance in that coverage?

Why have so many in the media been reluctant to report — as liberal, Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has finally admitted — that the surge is working and our troops are succeeding. Where are the positive news stories? If the war no longer fits the negative narrative of some in the media, does it just cease to exist?

In the United States, journalism is still a noble calling that schools the serious-minded in the collecting of facts, writing news stories that reflect those facts and editing that material in a way that the truth is never compromised. Our newspapers and networks clearly do have consummate professionals who believe they have an obligation to give readers and viewers honest, unvarnished news. That said, their voices often seem muted by colleagues who choose to cheapen the profession to advance a partisan agenda.

The Fourth Estate does have tremendous and almost unchecked power — for now. If its New Year's resolution is not to crack down on those who undermine and debase the news business, then Americans will continue to flee it in search of alternatives.

The new year will go a long way toward telling that story.

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Douglas MacKinnon is a former White House and Pentagon official and author of the forthcoming novel, The Apocalypse Directive.

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Bush's Constitution violations?
Let's see....
Illegal wiretaps? Wrong. That's part of intelligence on international communications. That would be how we won WW2 (broke Enigma and JN-25 codes). Wiretaps on foreign communication is not DOMESTIC SPYING.
As for malfeasance with the Justice Dept., please be a bit more specific.
War Crimes? Name one.

renny
Like I said before, the justification for Iraq War 2 is simple. He broke the terms of the 1991 ceasefire repeatedly, therefore we were obliged to remove his government from power.

What ends and means??
The US Senate voted for regime change in Iraq in 1998. That's a bit before 911 or Bush.

The Senate voted for the Iraq incursion 87-12. The UN Sec. Council supported the US (it voted 17n resoluions against Saddam) and has just renewed its support for another year. Is that just Bush?

Bush did not invent Iraq.

And if it is sucessful, it will be the first miracle of the 21st C.

And you don't like what about it? Even if the entire process was cynically about oil, the US gets 30% of its oil form the ME. That is a national security necessity, whether anyone wants to face it or not. I don't see the enviros letting us make ourselves energy independent any time soon.

And don't Iraqis deserve to be free or is freedom and liberty a strict provenance of Western states, because as a progresive friend of mine says, the Arabs really can't function democratically? (A fine lib. assessment there.)

Isn't that the same kind of aspersion cast against the Arabs a la WW I when Lawrence of Arabia went to org. Prince Feisal's forces against the Turks? (Feisal became the first king of Iraq.)

And if you are really losing sleep over the soldiers there, the Army has a 67% re-enlistment rate for men in Iraq and the Marines have a 100% re-enlistment rate. As far as deaths, they are vol.'s, and we've managed to kill 4000 on NJ highways since 2003. Now, those are really deaths in vain.

Why reporters don't report the truth...
...anymore.

Most of them are full of anger and driven by hate for their icons of evil, selected as teenagers in hopes of calming the fury they feel about life being unfair. Check out http://www.non-normie.com for all the gory details.

While you're there, check out the American Normie Creed. If it makes sense to you, congratulations; you're either a normie or a recovering non-normie. If enough of us sign the creed and pass it on to our friends and relatives, perhaps we can begin to take the country back from all the flaming non-normies wanting to tell us what to do "for our own good," or kill us if we refuse to bend the knee to their god.

If the American Normie Creed offends you, then you're a non-normie and you need to join a 12-Step Program as soon as possible to learn how to grieve out your anger properly.

Too bad we can't get folks like Hillary, B. Obama, J. Edwards, M. Huckabee, J. McCain, M. Romney, R. Guiliani, R. Paul, et al to test themselves on http://www.non-normie.com and get help for their emotionally driven need to control the world.

Disgruntled ex Lt Col scribbles:
Why do you people always have to attack people? Why? Are your personal lives so bitter?

Is this why you come here and do it with you little wobbie da wabbit?


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uh, Roberto (Roberta?):
. . . Who the &^%$&^@! is ARBusto? One of your friends?????

You may be wrong about some things
For example, many journalists compromised good journalist standards and their own honesty long before George Bush became President. When I was in high school social studies teachers taught me and my classmates to be skeptical of what is reported in news sources. Nothing in the 40 years since I graduated from High School has caused me to believe differently. Where honesty is concerned I place "journalists" at the level of used car salesmen. The old joke about "how do you know when a used car salesman is lying? It's when his lips are moving" fits journalists very well. Furthermore I have never seen so much unjustified arrogance in any group as I have seen among "journalists".

just for the record...
I was only quoting hal d, I don't go around calling people "a nasty piece of work!"

I need to cook supper, thank God & I'm not being sacrilegious, I mean it; I don't have to ask anyone how to do that! I'm a gourmet chef too! ;) Talk to you guys later, friends that is.

The brush gets very fine
"It was not just the Marines who stood accused, but all of our troops were painted and smeared by a very wide media brush."

Of course, the same brush gets very, VERY fine when Muslim terrorists are described as "terrorists who just happen to be Muslim."*

* Quote by Alan Colmes

renny
"If Bush' idea is successful in Iraq, there will be a semi-dem. Arab state in the center of the Middle East, which will protect Afghanistan and Pakistan in their dem. development, hopefully hinder Iran in its nuclear ambitions, and protect oil as we still get 30% of our oil from the ME. As soon as the enviros and other leftest whackos let us become energy ind., then the less import. some places in the ME will be to us."

Does all this mean the ends justify the means?

Bush hasn't violated the Const.
period.

The people who harp on it haven't ever read the Const. and think it says what bloggers on the Daily Krap whine about.

First off, he didn't lie to the Am. people, which Clinton clearly did, but it was not one of his articles of imp. The entire UN, China, Russia, yadda believed Saddam to have WMD, but even if he never had them (and he definitely did during the Gulf War),

the US Senate voted in 1998 at 98-0 for regime change in iraq, because Clinton ask for the vote.

Bush received a vote of 87-12 (1 not voting) from the Senate on entering Iraq. Clinton invaded Kosovo-Serbia without a UN vote or a Cong. vote. And that action was never part of his articles of impeachment. That's because Dems. liked it.

If Bush' idea is successful in Iraq, there will be a semi-dem. Arab state in the center of the Middle East, which will protect Afghanistan and Pakistan in their dem. development, hopefully hinder Iran in its nuclear ambitions, and protect oil as we still get 30% of our oil from the ME. As soon as the enviros and other leftest whackos let us become energy ind., then the less import. some places in the ME will be to us.

Not in my lifetime.

Georgetwin call a Spade a Spade...
I love to be misquoted, esp. by Hal Doofus. I've been thru an early menopause. Fortunately for me AND my husband it only lasted 6 months. But hal wouldn't understand having his womb ripped out at a young age; unless that is one of his alter personalities. I was saying that HRC's foul mouth must be her accomplishment, because I know of no other and she gives no others of value.

Hal writes:
So you incompetents are now trying to blame all the choas and failure on the fourth Estate? It won't work this time around. The primary point is the entire NeoCon foreign policy was incompetently excuted and has been an unmitagated disaster for the US and the rest of the world. It is over you are out; this time I hope for good.
Two of the worst presidents (Carter and GW Bush)in our nation's history have been governors so I am not certain that is the way to go. Carter was "pure" GW was a druken cocaine user so "good" or "bad" living doesn't seem to matter. Come on the NeoCons have elevated lieing to an art form. Bush is so incompetent he isn't worth hating The Bush Regime has violated the constitution repeatedly may I ask where that leaves you? And do noty even try to ask what LOL they are legion
“My you are a nasty piece of work aren't you. Read what you typed above...HAL”

Hal Donahue
How can you say that about conservatives at large that you DON’T EVEN KNOW PERSONALLY?

The MSM runs a strong
propaganda machine along with its buddies at the DEM & GOP parties. The entire election process has been engineered to make sure, come hell or highwater, that only another elite gets the Presidency.

The MSM actually does not care which one, they have their fingers in every piece of the pie, and that includes the Fox News network.

The only real hope we have for a true restoration of the founding principles that made this country the greatest ever is to stop the elites before they win another Presidency. If we don't do that, they will be even more convinced than they are now that they are invulnerable to the will of the people and can do whatever they like.

Trusting the elite media to tell us the truth is a joke. The attempts to shut down the internet to free thought are going to increase. After getting the McCain/Feingold monstrosity passed, the elites have now set the 527's in their sights. Our lifeline on the internet is not far behind. The goal of the elites is a new world order based upon socialism and they will not give up on that idea.

It is up to us to reclaim our inheritance and keep it safe! If you care to see more of how we got into this mess and how the elites have accrued so much power to themselves, please visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. Check it out, why not? The elites have stolen our birthright, and we need to ask ourselves when we are going to stand up and demand that the future for our nation and our kids be preserved in freedom. Thanks, Joe

Georgetwin
"NOW WAIT A MINUTE! You have repeatedly attacked Conservatives at large and President Bush in particular with all sorts of scurrilous accusations!"

Yes but generally for performance but look at what was written menopause etc not performance. I think GW is an incompetent executive but I don't say he is ugly with big ears know what I mean?

Conservative Pot, meet Kettle Donahue.


chuck
"If they didnt get CARTER or CLINTOON then I will make a bet with you when time comes that they wont mess with BUSH either."

You see neither of those individuals admitted to having over 30 captives die while undergoing "intensive interrogation". That is where they have GW



Advocacy journalism that started
in the 60s is just a form promoting a reporter's own ideas in place of any facts available.

Look at the NYTimes front page most days. The majority of the "stories" are forms of editorials that somehow missed the section they belong in.

Sometimes just sheer numbers of stories is the method of editorializing. Years ago the NYTimes wrote dozens of stories on Nancy Reagan's china (bought and paid for privately) until they took a poll and found out no one cared.

They tried with dozens of stories on the Masters at a golf club that doesn't accept women. They even impugned Tiger Woods' golf record because he wouldnn't agree and endorse their campaign.

The press effectively ended George Allen's senate career in VA and promoted Jim Webbs' win because Baltimore and DC papers wrote over 600 articles on the word "macaca" that Allen used to deprecate an annoying "journalist." No language anywhere revealed "macaca" as a racial slur, but that didn't stop the press. It wanted Allen out and got him out.

It is a miracle that a Rep. or cons. ever wins (save a Huckabee that sounds just like a Clinton on the stump) with the "news" organizations that the US has.

Hal Donahue
NOW WAIT A MINUTE! You have repeatedly attacked Conservatives at large and President Bush in particular with all sorts of scurrilous accusations!

Conservative Pot, meet Kettle Donahue.

Andrews
Yes, Wobbie/Wobert/Pilgrim/Jetpilot is a piece of...work all right.

Robert's poem to Wonder Woman:

Roses are Red

Violets are Blue

I'm schizophrenic and so am I.

HALD
Wow you been on this internet to long you had better take a break with WOBBIE and go fly with him in his HELICOPTER. If they didnt get CARTER or CLINTOON then I will make a bet with you when time comes that they wont mess with BUSH either.

DONT CHOPPER ME BRO

HALD
HALD WRITES:Why you people always have to attack people. Why ,are your personal lives so bitter.

Well now you ought to pat yourself on the Back for that ????. But since you asked I will tell you the truth. WE LEARNED IT FROM YOU LIBS boy yall are great teachers. I dont know why the LIBS get so much flak about College Prof. filling our Childrens minds with CRAP . HA HA


DONT TEACH ME BRO, DONT TEACH ME BRO.

Question for HalD
Put up or shut up Hal,

Provide uncontestable evidence that "The Bush Regime" has violated and American's Constitutionally Protected Right.

Please Cite the Article or Amendment as well.


chuck
"There you go again. Can you please tell us the Charges the FBI has charged BUSH with viloation of the Conststution."

Oh no charges and I hope there are none. I want GW in the Hague for crimes against humanity if he is forced from office he can be pardoned. I want him to leave quietly and normally. That way he can be charged by the Hague. Violations of the Constitution: illegal wiretaps, malfeasence with the Justice department and I am certain a bunch more.

It still amazes me that
when Hal is here Wobbie is NOT, and they both are so belligerent w/out ideas of their own. They refer you to sites, and seem only to respond to people, no originality. Once before I called them on this and they both showed up patting each other on the back. It seemed very strange indeed. DID or MPD? It’s hard to tell from a blog, but belligerents nonetheless.

Krauthammer could tell us, but one thing is for sure...BDS to both names.

str8t_talk/Icedog
" Heck, that would make most menopausal women in the nation qualified and quantified. Just don't let her have a gun! Why do you think Bill stays with her? Other than the obvious...power hungry greed."

My you are a nasty piece of work aren't you. Read what you typed above...

"Obama got the Oprah endorsement, so that would be his accomplishment. "

and you folks are not US senators because? Why do you people always have to attack people? Why? Are your personal lives so bitter?

HALD
There you go again. Can you please tell us the Charges the FBI has charged BUSH with viloation of the Conststution.

DONT VIOLATE ME BRO

DIDNT think so.

Georgetwin
I saw Robert claiming he had worked on many political campaigns a few days ago.

So, helicopter pilot, jet pilot, border guard, marine trainer, forensic scientist, crime scene investigator, and now political activist... oh, forgot researcher and author.

A true renaissance man he is!

By the way, Robert, exactly how old are you? By your stories you must be about 108. (Hat tip to the original source of the quote I paraphrased, originally about another big talker.)

The Crawfish
"Sorry, but I'll only support a candidate who upholds his oath of office to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States". It also happens to be in my oath of (re)enlistment."

The Bush Regime has violated the constitution repeatedly may I ask where that leaves you? And do noty even try to ask what LOL they are legion

Icedog
"So....anyone with "Lots of life experience" is qualified to be President of the United States? Do you care to elaborate? At the age of 45 and over, just how many people don't have "Lots of life experience"?

That is my point throw your hat in the ring. What criteria would you use? The American people seem to have done a decent job but we can't take many more Carters or Bushs can we?

"You also mentioned HRC's and Obama's "accomplishments", but you failed to mention any. "

Go to their website they state them pretty well LOL

Icedog
Maybe Hal is referring to Hillary's broad use of slang as an accomplishment. I've heard she can say curse words in several accents. Maybe pointing her finger in people's faces, or screaming makes her qualified. Heck, that would make most menopausal women in the nation qualified and quantified. Just don't let her have a gun! Why do you think Bill stays with her? Other than the obvious...power hungry greed.

Obama got the Oprah endorsement, so that would be his accomplishment.

Hal D
Name one proposal that HRC, Obama, or Edwards has produced that is not directly contrary to the Constitution.

Sorry, but I'll only support a candidate who upholds his oath of office to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States". It also happens to be in my oath of (re)enlistment.

Hal
So....anyone with "Lots of life experience" is qualified to be President of the United States? Do you care to elaborate? At the age of 45 and over, just how many people don't have "Lots of life experience"?

You also mentioned HRC's and Obama's "accomplishments", but you failed to mention any.

HALD
We know why WOBBIE wants MCSHAME because he is probably the First one on anybody list that can be defeated by a LIB. TOO OLD and to Many Problems. Takes LIBS side to much, may be a bad thing but not sure yet. We have to bridge together someday if not just for the COUNTRY.
But that want happen with HITLERY, there are still too many Skeletons in the Clinton closet for America to unite as one under her. People still see and think BILL(THE SCUD MEISTER) CLINTOON. The time for CLINTONS and BUSHs is over. There has been to many heartaches with these people lately.

Chuck
Nope not at all that is what I have said from the beginning. I am doing all I can for Hillary. Oh I may be wrong but I think Robert has be a McCain guy from the start

HALD
Soon you will be telling us that you where an OBAMA peep from the start.

DONT SWITCH ME BRO, DONT SWITCH ME BRO
HALD

chuck
switched sides?

Lumberjack7392
Does he get confused about which end to apply Preparation-H to?

Lumberjack7392
"So please tell just what has Edwards, HRC or Obama accomplished that qualifies them to be POTUS,you know one bill, one program, something."

Lots of life experience and accomplishment and an open mind. That is probably the best criteria to judge. Two of the worst presidents (Carter and GW Bush)in our nation's history have been governors so I am not certain that is the way to go. Carter was "pure" GW was a druken cocaine user so "good" or "bad" living doesn't seem to matter.

Hal Doofus writes:
So be it that is why we have primaries. Personaly I think she is best but I have spent time with Obama and he is awesome.

So please tell just what has Edwards, HRC or Obama accomplished that qualifies them to be POTUS,you know one bill, one program, something.

Lumberjack7392
"Except the Wicked Witch of Chappaqua is getting her clock cleaned in NH. "

So be it that is why we have primaries. Personaly I think she is best but I have spent time with Obama and he is awesome.

Hal Doofus writes:
YAWN
All is well in my little corner of the world

Except the Wicked Witch of Chappaqua is getting her clock cleaned in NH.

Georgetwin writes:
GunnyG
"That morass you call a brain."

You are three letters OFF :)!

Well Rockhead does keep his head stuck up there, anway, so he has one between his ears, and one around his ears.

YAWN
All is well in my little corner of the world

GunnyG
"That morass you call a brain."

You are three letters OFF :)!

I see LILLY
HAS FLED the building as usual when the facts come a calling as with my post at 11:42 AM and all the others that followed.

ALL
Heading to chow, keep spanking Wobbie, it reminds him of HalD!

YLG, I emailed that to Fred via his email on TH and his website.

I see LILLY
Monday, January, 07, 2008 11:42 AM

YLG, Anne
The MSM isn't interested in giving good news or facts about Rep. candidates no matter who they are.

I am blogging for Giuliani (so I haven't followed Fred that much), and I can say without hesitation that the last person the media wants as a Rep. cand. is Rudy.

He was hated by the press when he cleaned up NYC. He removed the hookers and drug dealers from the doorsteps of the NYTimes, so the staff had to walk a couple blocks for a fix and a blowj*b.

They hated the renoation of 42nd St. and Times Square. It was mocked as Disneyfication. Did they care that changing the streets so people could walk them or bringing in new Broadway shows would help tourism and revenues flourish? No. They liked the squalor and degredation. It fit their idea of "life" and provided many more victims for them to advocate.

I am now seeing people dredge up McCain's ethics questions from the "Keaing 5" which is how many years ago?

We have to get real and pick a strong cand. to fight the Dems. in 08 or we will have military humiliation in the MidEast, higher taxes at home, the entire health industry absorded by DC, all the social agendas (homosexual, feminist, illegals) enforeced, homeland insecurity, and billions wasted on Dem. utopian nonsense.

Yes, thank heavens for the net, and Fox, which some on TH don't like, but they are a tonic compared to CBS or CNN.

Wobbie
Try to think this through...

Hunter HAS to drop from the POTUS run to become Thompson's selection for VEEP.

I typed this very slow knowing you don't read fast and that it takes awhile for a thought to make it through that morass you call a brain.

GunnyG
From your fingertips to God's ears, my friend!!

MWAHAHAHAH!!!

YLG
"BTW, Vic said Hunter is going to announce he's dropping out around 1400."

Excellent. Thompson can then announce him as his VEEP. The libs will soil their panties.

Renny
Robert only has an audience of one, HIMSELF!

Renny
Robert only has an audience of one, HIMSELF!

Georgetwin
What I find amazing is that Wobbie is STILL denying what was PLAIN TO SEE on that thread!

His handle...Pilgrim.

His signature...Robert

Now WHO else does this? NO ONE.

His syntax and grammar errors are all similar as well.

What a mook.

GunnyG
I still see Dan Rather in my mind's eye: he's leaning nonchalantly against the desk, holding up the memos, looking straight at the camera...

Too bad he mistook the camera for a lasersight!

BTW, Vic said Hunter is going to announce he's dropping out around 1400.

renny
Sigh...

Sadly, you are correct. Thank goodness for the freedom of the internet, at least until the UN claims it...

Anne
Fred has been fighting the LSM from the start, misreporting his campaigning. He is dumb like a fox. Like the tortoise and the hare, Fred and Hunter will the two men left standing.

Can you just SEE Thompson filleting that empty suit from Ill in the debates!?

GunnyG
The exchange between you 2 on your blog was HILARIOUS!

Wobbie/Wobert/Pilgrim/Spongebob/Robert shows all the signs of being a Grade-A, Runt Paul ALCOAette :)!

Robert, your antennae are not
reaching your far, far away planet. You need to phone home.

YLG, unfotunately, the MSM aren't moronic idiots. They know exactly what they are doing when the news of plans to blow up the gas tanks for Kennedy Airport is one-day's tv headline news, but the NYTimes puts it on page 46 and never follows it up. And no one ever hears and reads about it again.

When the MSM turn the arrest of Muslim students driving around with bomb materials in their trunk into some kind of racial police incident, they know exactly what they are doing to divert the public from knowing US Muslims can be potentially just as violent as they have proven in England.

I taught journalism for 13 years and constantly received info from the Kennedy Memorial Foundation (RFK) on how to use a student newspaper to organize protest and pressure a school administration into pol. change. I'm sure other advisers used it, and other materials, for those exact purposes then and teach it now.

80% of media come out of high school journalism. So, when we talk of the terrible ed. many receive in pub. ed., it doesn't just apply to math and science.

GunnyG: And Thompson was the ONLY

candidate who didn't step right into a meadow muffin, on one issue or another, during the FOX debate last night.

Guess he knew, going into it, that NH was so liberal that it wasn't worth worrying about.


But wait, do my eyes deceive me? Did Thompson not come in 2nd in Wyoming?




Jason
Believe what you wish, we obviously won't change your opinion. However, if you don't believe your MSM darlings are tainting the news how do you explain the fact that these same "news" sources are losing their audiences in droves? Last I checked, NYT shares are now worth less than 30% of their 2002 value.

Pilgrim aka Robert
Funny, I don't hear ya spouting off about your 9% approval rated liberal-majority Kongress.

The GOP is gonna beat that like a drum by summer.

YLG
Watching Dan Blather fall on his own hand grenade (Bush memos) was awesome. A moment in time to be truly savored!

georgetwin
LOL!

If he could keep his handles straight and his syntax errors UNALIKE from post to post he'd be a genius!

But then again, liars like him ALWAYS have trouble keeping their lies straight.

I really had to laugh at his feeble defense on my GB going Wobbly article that Pilgrim was actually someone else!

renny
Just remember: WATERGATE

The MSM wants to relive the height of a scandal that brought down a presidency, so they go looking for "Watergate" and "VietNam" wherever they can, hoping against hope to have a "Deep Throat" of their own....

And when they think they have it (Rathergate comes to mind), it's "full speed ahead", forgetting they are the ones in front of the torpedo tubes!

Moronic idiots, all....

str8t_talk
I think Fred was trying to "stickit to" NBC more than avoiding a hit on Romney's staff. The reporter kept trying to get him to attack Romney so the story would change.

The media thrives on contraversy and when they can stick the knife in a conservative Republican and get controversy at the same time they get a "two-fer".

Spew alert for 11:53 post
Can you imagine? Yes, Hillary needs some rest, she looked plain awful at the Iowa caucuses, the makeup was not covering up her dark circles or bags under her eyes. But if ANYONE thinks a little rest will make her positive, they are even more delusional than I had first thought!

str8t_talk
Fred is a class act.

He ripped Michael Mooreon a new one and did it very subtly.

He recently ripped the LSM on their deliberate misreporting of his campaign.

The libs TRULY fear Thompson, that is why they're fawning over McShame right now KNOWING most of us think he sucks.

http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/01/2008-01-06NBCTSThomps on.wmv

GunnyG-Anne-USMC
Now Wobbert/Wobbie is a political strategist. Wal-Mart Helicopter Pilot, Political Strategist and a WIZARD with Tire Patch and Air Hose (see Wonder Woman). Wobert/Wobbie/Piglrim/Jetpilot, a man for all ASYLUMS!

Renny---
Not Sweeden, but Denmark with their easy attitude on durgs and prostitution.

The leftwing journalists are not
compromising their "integrity" or "principles" when they lie about the war or dredge up little known incidents to denigrate the military or report "ring wing" 10 times as many times as they right "left wing."

They are committed ideologues who believe they were knighted by some secular authotity to change America (ahd the West) into the pacifist, secular society, like Sweden, that they see as a untopia.

Although all the top echelon of the media are obscenely wealthy, just like the Hollywood celebrities who are so eager to lecture the rest of us on energy conservation, they all wail and whine about the poor and middle class, which if they were oncew members, they have long since left behind and forgotten.

Hypocrisy is not a big enough word to describe the MSM.

Anne & Vic
water-Lily is all wet. My guess: the reason the NY Times hired a conservative columnist is because their sales are plummeting, they're trying to bring back some readers, but I won't be one!

Vic: Thanks for the link to Fred's interview. It shows his class and unwillingness to sink to the multiple other candidates' mudslinging tactics.

Robert
I am not saying Bill Clinton could not win another term as president, if he could run.

However, I think it would be less likely than you believe.

Why I say this is if you look at the polling data from Iowa, women voted for Obama, and among the reasons cited was the very negative opinion of non-elitist women toward Bill Clinton, which impacted Hillary negatively.

In my opinion, the nation is moving on...has moved on...from the Clinton years, as well as from the Bush years.

I know elitist women in Manhattan and those in charge of certain interest groups continue to adore Bill Clinton, but regular women don't.

Having said that, I will concede Bill Clinton might beat G.W. Bush, if each could run now, but that is on account of Iraq, and increasingly, the economy.

banning of phones
Lilly dear,

Do you not know that photographing POWs is against the Geneva Convention? It's because they (the photos) can be used as propoganda...
Kind a like what the guards were doing when they abused the POWs and like the Press and Dim-O-Craps did when they kept the story alive to advance their political abmitions.

And - in agreement with The Knight who said NI - it was the ineptitude of the Commander at Abu Grabe who was too happy to abdicate here responsibiltiy and authority as a commander (which you actually cannot do) until she was caught and then tried to use her gender as a shield.

georgetwin
"Notice how much more angry Hal & Robert are since Hillary lost in Iowa?"

Probably both suffering from menstral cramping and abdominal bloating! You know how those lib girlymen are.

GunnyG: Be right there... :-)
.

Lilly
Time Line:
- The incidents occurred last months of 2003.

- They became known to the chain of command in Iraq on January 13.

- The Army's criminal probe started a day later.

- Two days after that, U.S. Central Command disclosed in a press release that "an investigation has been initiated into reported incidents of detainee abuse at a Coalition Forces detention facility."

- March 20, Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt announce in Baghdad that criminal charges had been brought against six soldiers in the probe.

- January, Major General Antonio Taguba was appointed to conduct his separate "administrative" probe of procedures at Abu Ghraib.

"It is his report, complete with its incriminating photos, that is the basis for the news reports. The press didn't break this story based on months of sleuthing but was served up the results of the Army's own investigation."

Sources:
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2005/09/military-justice- at-abu-ghraib.php
http://joatmoaf.typepad.com/i_love_jet_noise/2004/05/milita ry_not_cb.html

str8t_talk
Tell him to take care and kudos to YOU and the Missus for producing a warrior! Well done.

Did any of the flaming lib-idiots happen

to take a peek at the links Tinsldr2 posted above?

"Real News From Iraq
"And Now the rest of the story:"

http://www.taskforcemarne.com

http://www.taskforcemarne.com/home/781?task=view



halD, lilly, wobbie,..........

Exactly! I didn't think so.




Anne
Did you check out his comments on my article, "George Bush going Wobbly?"

Pilgram aka Robert!

He can't even get his handles straight!

BUSTEDDDDDDDD!

The guy is an idiot.

lilly
Wow you must be a conservative in hiding becuase if all you watch is FOX then how the HELL would you know what other networks are doing. Are you telling me that MSNBC(4PM to 11PM) and CNN(5PM to 11 PM) witch houses all of your LIB traitor NETWORK personnel like SISSY MATHEWS and OBERMOUTH, WOLF KISSTER, and of course Lame DUCK JACK, Wolfs BUDDIE BUDDY. Damn I could go on but I probably would shut down TH.

We dont care about them we Care that they tell the truth and when they have been proven to LIE to the American Peeps get back on the TUBE and TELL the Peeps that you where wrong. You guys can come on here and talk trash the problem is you DONT know how to THROW OUT THE GARBAGE when it STINKS to high heaven. But the American Peeps are onto YOU LIB TRAITORS now. Wont get away with this garbage anymore.

GunnyG
Yes, and now we have another commie in the race, under the guise of Socialism or Marxism, of course they're so close, you can't tell. (HRC) Last race it was Kerry, they keep popping up!

My son is in "River City" - high security. You get my drift I take it. Thank you for serving our country!

lilly: Probably shouldn't have gone ther

How about the NYSlime writing an article about someone flushing the Koran down the toilet?

And, the story was written MANY times, and printed on the front page, above the fold, MANY times.

People died because of it! Innocent people died because of it...


And, guess what? IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!

Now, that's just for starters.... I can continue with many, many, more if you'd like.



Re: roberto! The USMC LIEUTENANT figured

out exactly how we can tell what wobbie “cuts & pastes” and what he actually writes on his own.

The cut & paste parts are grammatically correct and no spelling errors. But, wobbie should at least know that without quotation marks, it’s plagiarism

By contrast, what wobbie posts on his own, is filled with a myriad of grammatical and spelling errors. The poor little dude doesn’t even know what an apostrophe is, much less when or how to use one.


wobbie gets BUSTED AGAIN!

To Hal Donahue
Re Neocon lying: Anyone who needs a refresher course in this is invited to google "Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception", a brief summary of Neoconservative political philosophy. Neocons see politically-based lying as a virtue and deception as essential in a strong leader, who is advised to tell the people what they want to hear so he can quietly go about the business of doing what he wants. In their philosophy, a strong leader is amoral (has no morals) and does only what is expedient to achieve his ends. "The end justifies the means".

Do we need an example? Here is one:

I understand that many conservatives refuse to read the New York Times, to which I have a daily subscription, so as a public service I will share a matter which recently has raged in that paper. The Times recently hired William Kristol, arch Neoconservative, as a regular columnist: readers are outraged. NOT because Kristol is a conservative, but because he can be shown to have lied and lied and lied and lied and lied, saying whatever will advance the Neoconservative causes of the Bush administration. Many of Kristol's statements are easily disproved; documentation of that is online.

LILLY
It doesnt matter who the reporters are it matters if they tell the truth and REPORT not GIVE us their own PROPAGANDA about how they think. Reporters are suppose to report on and story not make one up to their liken. Most could care less so I say we change the Law and hold them ACCOUNTABLE. I mean if we are going to hold Sports Atheletes responsible for their action and make Congress get involved then we need to hold Reporters resonsible for their action and tell Congress to get involv3ed also.

Congress should not be involved with the PEEPS passtime activities. Just another LIB BIG GOVERNMENT problem. Soon we want be able to watch Sports on the TV because the problem with sports is it is more Important to the People than LIB GOVERNMENT is.

Ssgt-GunnyG-Vic-Tinsldr2
The Fourth Estate = Taliban with Typewriters.

Notice how much more angry Hal & Robert are since Hillary lost in Iowa?

Robert
"The situation was a fundamental break down of unit cohesion and order brought on by conflicting orders in the "chain of command" asnd the influence of external "merc" forces...which had no business being in play."

It wasn't a unit break down it was number of individuals in the unit. There Commander was inept and they were exposed and being investigated before the media became involved.

The rest is just your BDS showing.

"Anchors are on the TV for being big boobed bubble headed Janes"

I must agree Russert needs a manbra.

Fred, pu-leeze
I was alive during the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon election and I remember the song
"Whistle while you work, Kennedy's a jerk,
Vote for Nixon, he will fix 'em,
Whistle while you work." That is not liberal indoctrination to me.
Your "indoctrination" was the perception of a 5-year old, which is understandable, you were 5-years old at the time. That was not the real world, and neither is the "liberal media conspiracy." I have found many of my own perceptions from my youth to be invalid now in my old age.

GunnyG
Don't know if you get these in the Stars and Stripes but here are a couple of good ones from Carl Moore..State of the Union

http://www.comics.com/creators/union/archive/union-20080105 .html

http://www.comics.com/creators/union/index.html

To Knight
First of all, how do you know that the military "was already investigating"?

Second, if the military was already investigating, then why did Rumsfeld react with such anger to journalistic exposure of Abu Ghraib that he immediately banned cameras and camera phones? Wouldn't it have been logical for him to do that when he first discovered the problem? Or did he see it as a problem only when the American people knew about it? In which case the investigation, if it existed, which I doubt, was a farce.

Exposure
The network evenings news programs (this was Dan Rather's venue) are on for 30 minutes of which 10 minutes are commercial messages (time them!). So, 20 minutes. And in this time they cover not only political matters but such human interest stories as drunk celebrity teenagers, lost children, floods, forest fires, and major traffic pileups. So probably not more than 10 minutes of the program is political.

Meanwhile, all of the talk radio stars are on for hours every day---look them up on Google and you will see that typically they broadcast for two, three, four hours each day, often with re-runs on radio at night. As for TV, O'Reilly and Hannity each have a full hour of prime time and seem to be re-run ALL night---any time I can't sleep and get up, there they are. If you measure time, right-wing journalists have much, much more air time than liberal journalists.

And yet, conservatives continue to scream that liberal journalists control the media and must be purged.

And when a talk radio pundit is attacked for an outright lie (as when Limbaugh stated that the Clintons had murdered Vince Foster, never proved in any investigation) or when Bill Kristol advances Bush's cause with statements which are soon proven false, we hear either that Limbaugh is "just an entertainer" or that Kristol is the victim of an anti-conservative prejudice.


Off topic to Anne et al, off topic
Hey Anne I am fine, Spoke to the Wifey today and things are great at home.

Very much off topic, I started a Web Site about Fishing because other then the Family, Fishing is what I miss the most. Very Much in its initial stages, I have been working on it at nights in spare time.

Next week I will have a link on Fishing in Iraq and some other site improvements. There is a pic of me fishing in front of one of Saddams palces on the site.

http://www.Sharkfighter.com

and if anyone wants to comment on the website I would appreciate if they did it from the site contact button or my tinsldr2@yahoo.com because I dont want to take up to much townhall space (although I just shamelessly did) :)

AudiR10
Re "If you want journalists out you have to kick them to the curb": I assume you are talking about journalists who don't support the ideas you like. Let's take an example. Let's say you like what a sitting government is doing (in foreign policy, economics, social matters). But every action has both good and bad points. Let's say some journalists expose the bad points of what that government is doing. Then let's say you succeed in kicking all those journalists to the curb. Who's left? Only journalists who support the government and who broadcast that government's message. One government, one idea, one set of journalists. Anybody who does research, makes inquiries, and comes up with another point of view gets kicked to the curb. Is this what you want?

lilly
When Abu Ghraib came out the military was already investigating it. The media never exposed anything they were told about an ongoing investigation and provided pictures.

To Tom
Re "You provide the pictures and I'll provide the war": It has occurred to me that if soldiers at Abu Ghraib had not taken pictures, we would still be hearing Republican denial that bad things had taken place there. Instead, this would be called "a liberal fabrication to make President Bush look bad". And please note that when the Abu Ghraib story came out, Rumsfeld's first act was to make cameras and camera phones illegal there.

When we have pictures to look at, it's hard to deny the reality in the pictures. Those who still insist we did no wrong in Vietnam still can't explain the famous picture of the child on fire running down the road. (And as I write that, I realize that some townhaller will probably respond that the fire was set by the Viet Cong; two weeks ago when I mentioned Iraqi civilian deaths at US hands, a poster responded that American fire has killed NO Iraqi civilians, who have died only from insurgent fire and bombs.)


Phony Soldiers ?
The phony soldiers controversy involving Rush Limbaugh is a prime example of why front page news of American "atrocities and torture" does paint the military with a broad brush. I heard Rush's program on the day the "phony soldiers" comment was made. Media sources ran with the story because it sells. Whether it is true or not is irrelevant. I heard the dialogue and phone calls that day and I know the media characterization is false. But truth is unimportant when it comes to making money.

Reporters of today live in the shadow of Woodward and Bernstein and the days of Watergate. Getting the "scoop" and making a name for yourself matters more than truth. Woodward and Bernstein worked their tails off to get the truth. Their editor Ben Bradlee made sure of that. What was printed had to be corroborated. That was journalism.

Truth is more boring than a lie. If you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, it becomes truth. it will be firmly imprinted in the mind of the listener. later if you retract the story you ran multiple times, you bury it in the broadcast or submit it to the back pages of the newspaper.

There are those who want to silence talk radio, Fox news and who knows maybe even Townhall. As much as I do not like hearing liberal lies, I do not want to silence them. Let them speak. It is their right...to be wrong.

"SUPPORT FREE SPEECH. SILENCE TALK RADIO"

Tibby

GunnyG in anticipation
I have heard a few say that people banning together to boycott or support something is no different then gov. censorship. I BEG TO DIFFER.

People who voluntarily take action by withholding dollars/support or donating it is far different then gov. mandating it through laws where choice is totally removed.

All it takes is 51 Senators, 218 Congressmen and 1 presidential signature. Then a few get anointed to tell whats fair and should be on the air and what shouldn't.

Jimmy D, I already do.
__I do not buy, and pretty much never watch anything with a left connection. There are insurance companies I would never give the time of day. Boycott, with as much self subsistence as possible, would cause a crumbling effect on the left. str8t_talk also, made a very good observation that would cripple the left forever. Catholic, and Christian denominations, should stop letting left government claim to be the resource which solves problems, concerning the least among us. They have embraced left policy, and agenda, for their personal grandeur, which gives the left ability to claim personal grandeur.

Where is FDR when you need him?
Sedition. Treason. Defeatism. Anti-American. All of these words can be applied to numerous and various news sources, sad but true.
It is really a good thing this band of turn coats wasn't allowed to spount their demoralizing missives on the USA during WWII. We'd all be speaking another language.

Imagine them reporting on Schweinfurt:

"Army air corp atrocities were met with a stinging rebuke today when 60 B17's were shot down with loss of life put at 525 counting the dead on board. And this in a single 9 hour raid on a sovereign nation. Political opponents of the war are calling for the President's resignation. Congress has called for all flags throughout the country to be flown at half mast. Children and parents of the slain raiders are going to have a candlelight vigil outside the White House and photographers are posed for shots at Andrews Air Force Base. Many are calling this one of the greatest defeats yet for an unpopular President and his illegal war. Senator "Jones" R. from N.H. is calling for the President's impeachment.
In other news an aggresive imperialistic move is being planned soon for Iwo Jima according to unnamed sources within the White House."

Wouldn't that have been something? Sedition. Nothing short of it. When will we wake up?

Knight Who Said NI
You bring up a great point.

Who headed the Music Censorship Cmte? Tipper Gore.

Who helped? The Senate Commerce Committee of which Owl Gore and a host of other libturds like Fritz Hollings were members.

It seems that liberals sure do love banning and censoring things, just like the good commissars they are.


What can we do?
MacKinnon's statement "The Fourth Estate does have tremendous and almost unchecked power — for now."
Now what can we do as Citizens to penalize the MSM for their liberal blatantly biased propaganda that misrepresents the truth and is so one-sided in order to fulfill their dream of a Socialistic Utopian Order(which cannot exist). How can we remove the Owners, Editors, Journalists, and others who have violated their code that is understood to represent the truth and bring all sides to the fore front for intelligent debate. One thing is for certain, we cannot ask for our Government to involve itself - that is not the task of Government.

Would Boycotting products and services of the sponsors do the trick? I don't know, but I feel that this method is our only potential solution. Any ideas America?

So Conservatives need to become more Active, establish a list of sponsors to these networks and papers and hound them relentlessly and initiate a National Boycott list that Conservative and True Minded Americans can have easy access to. A list of Politicians both State and Federal to adher to Communist/Socialist beliefs would also be of interest.

We Must Be Vigilant
Now we have access to news that sidesteps the MSMs. If people like HALD get more power the censorship will begin.

The attempt to censor will be the from of the fairness doctrine if that fails there will be more with new names to disguise what it actually does, which is put the government in control of what is being said.

Because, goodness knows people can't decide for themselves what is fair, but the government can.

Unpacking the media.

It's really sad how many out there still believe that the media's main activity is "publishing" the news. Pure and un-adulterated hog-wash.

Because tragically, there is a built-in conflict of interest within the industry.

Simply, because they need to "sell" the news.

As the saying goes, "if it bleeds, it leads". And we the public, with that perpetual and morbid fascination with the pain and the misery of others, will always be there on the highway... to form that inevitable "gaper's block".

It's like... the coke dealer meets the addict.

BUT... when you inject the presense of a well-documented and truly ugly liberal bias into the mix, our "coke" becomes bad... and leaves an even worse after-taste.

And so, some ingenious business types go out to create a few alternative sources for "better coke"... and we are happy again.

But "coke" it has always been, and "coke" it will always be.

The only question is... how pure do we want it?


str8t_talk
"Media only focuses on the negative side of this war because most are very liberal President Bush haters and they are trying to persuade the people."

Don't forget, many of them are taught by tired old communists and socialists still nursing hurt feelings over the collapse of the Soviet Union and their dream of one world under communism.

We'll be better off when they're all pushing up daisies.

PS: Kudos to your son. Where is he at in Iraq?


loco
I just put up an article on the UN that NEVER MADE the LameStreamMedia! Americans would be outraged if they read it considering that we fund 45% of that nest of p*sspot dictators and petty tyrants.

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/Default.aspx

Having a son serving
his 2nd tour of duty in Iraq, what McKinnon says is on the spot! Media only focuses on the negative side of this war because most are very liberal President Bush haters and they are trying to persuade the people.

I agree with WISEONE & SGT. RELIC: The schools teaching these days are full of liberal professors. I know I was a Communications major until recently. I was constantly asked to write for the University newspaper.

Now, let me set the tone for you. This was a private Catholic University, where a person would think you would not come up against journalism oppression on facts. My news stories were banned as news, but still published under the "Opinion" section. Yet they allowed very liberal-slanted stories as fact, whether "fact" or not. The majority of the professors were indeed liberal. They published stories that went against the principles of the college, because the students ran the paper with a reporter from a local very liberal newspaper as an overseer. I personally am not a Catholic; I went to the Father of the University and asked how this was happening in a "Christian" school. I was even asked to be on staff, which I declined after I saw that they did not take journalism seriously.

What is printed in most of today's newspapers across the nation is what I was taught in high school to be "yellow journalism." Pulitzer and Hearst would be proud! I would like to see more facts, more balance and certainly less hate! I'm back in school, pursuing my medical Masters.

Tinsldr2 Thanks,...
...it does my heart good to read the truths, from those of Americas truth. Always building, and moving forward, overcoming setbacks, and learning from them. With facts on the ground, before our eyes, building on the strengths, and reinforcing those strengths. Of coarse the left will never be builders, of this sort, for they build on weakness. An army of duct tape soldiers!

A sure sign of
schools of jounalism have gone astray is when students say they are going into jounalism to "do good". Not report the news but to "do good."

As for those who say bad news must be published, I read no quarrel with that from those who post here. What we are concerned about is the emphasis on the bad. Where are the stories of successes and the stories of heroes?

Unbelievable how obsessed the press is with errors and wrong doing, printing stories of each minute detail, day after day after day.

Has the public caught on? Of course they have which is one of the reasons people are cancelling subscriptions just as I have done with the NYT.

A lot of us have found in we cruise the internet we can gather a lot of information and decide for ourselves what has merit. W#e even discover stories the MSM decides not to print or hides in back of the paper.

read my lips
I'm reminded of the media's role during bush-the-elder's term. They wanted a tax increase soooo bad. They pushed hard for it and then they polled and polled the american people - would you accept a tax increase if it would reduce the deficit?, and other leading questions. Then they got what they wanted and to top it all off, used it to bludgeon bush that he had gone back on his pledge, completely ignoring their own role.

Moneyrunner
People are making an assessment on Iraq, and the policies of Bush generally, whether you think they should not.

That is one reason we have elections, to continue or change policy. It is fatuous and disingenuous to make the absurd argument Bush is not running for office in '08. His policies will still be judged.

If republicans run on the "status-quo", that the Bush administration's Iraq policy was worth the cost, that its immigration and trade policies have benefited our nation, they will lose, and lose big, this November.

As far as costs of wars are concerned, WW2 contained astronomical costs, yet Americans gladly paid the price. It was seen as in our national interest, to preserve a nation(England)and continent from which over 90% of our parents and ancestors had emigrated, and from whom we had modeled our governance and society, and from whom our founders were indebted(the writings of John Locke). And with regard to the Mexican war, at least we obtained vast territories. And our civil war was about preserving OUR republic, not refereeing ancient muslim and tribal animosities.


Putting trust in the media
__Purposely flawed, for a purposely flawed society. We are receiving the harvest of seeds previously planted, in a field of hard backed soil. It has not seen blade of the plow, the wheels of the disk, or watered with essential regularity in some time. Our society "brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after its own kind" if I might borrow a line from Genesis (1:12). Those, according to this seed, see it is good for themselves, has it echos their trust. Similar to the "blind trust" Hillary Clinton spoke of in her defense of not knowing how her investments were handled. In the title of this article are the words, "U.S. Military Defeats...", which carries with it the reason why a dwindling population is able to see the lies, for what they are. Men, and woman, in America, with a trust in each other for advance, and protection, as they rely on each other. With open eyes, putting a check on questionable obstructions, weighing the circumstances, and taking action to balance the scales in their favor. Balanced for the whole, with seeds planted, and their growth strengthened, in a field properly plowed, tilled, watered, and weeded.

Toomuchsense
Your analysis of the trolls seems very perceptive and accurate to me. There are degrees, but they all pretty much show signs of desperation and fanaticism. They are apparently driven by some overpowering force that has little to do with discussion of politics.

HalD
"Looks like 08 will be the same."

Dream on stooge. That liberal Kongress is now in the 9% approval rating range. They're really TEARING IT UP Hallie.

Knight Who Said NI
Yeah right! haha. They're still thing that Owl Gore "wuz robbed!"

Stephie is symbolic of the limp-noodlers on the left. Wonder how many times he has dinner at Barney Frank's crib?


Folks
I am off to a swearing in for our county commissioners. The D's took the county off the R's by a 40% margin. Looks like 08 will be the same.

profblog
And could oBLAHma look ANY MORE BORED during the National Anthem?

I've raised and lowered the flag on 5 different continents and STILL get a thrill seeing Old Glory going up the flagpole and hearing the Anthem.

Guess that's the difference btwn US and the libvermin.

SSGT
The Silky Pony and his pearly whites. haha.

HalD must have missed his ex-lax this AM, his BDS is in full-bloom!

GunnyG
Loved the links. I think I have seen the one with Obama doing fig leaf during the anthem before. hahaha

The one with Edwards caught out right lying. By Stephanopoulos no less hahaha. To bad Stephanopoulos let it drop so easily. Of course he would have done the same for a Republican candidate ;-) right?

Hmmm
I'm thinking that the picture that Gunny gave a link to is indicative of Obama's patriotic background. Perhaps he has given us a glimpse into where his "heart" is. That's normally where we civilians place our hand in honor of The National Anthem.

GunnyG
Morning Guns. Yeah, to get a lib not to flip-flop on anything that they say, is like trying to get Hal Doofus not to call wobbie his wittle wiley wonder woman. Edwards lies thru his pearly whites, and who is calling him on the carpet for it? I can't wait to see what the GOP rep does when he gets a chance to show the country how these spineless worms flip-flop on a dime.

Ssgt
"What did the voters do to change the direction of the war. Calling it lost, like most of you coward libsquirts on the left?"

They gave the Senate and the House to the Democrats. Even Bush realised that when he sacrificed Rummy

"Your a coward, and I hope you don't sleep well at nights."

Like a baby soundly with sweet dreams

" And as for the Media, just look at the declining numbers in subscriiptionns. Keep on spewing your I'm a loser mentality. It just makes the heros stand out all the more. "

The heros are not NeoCons

The Fourth Estate?
I guess MacKinnon hasn't noticed that the Fourth Estate and he media arms that write its paychecks are in a state of accelerating collapse. :-/

It's amazing, reading the comments by ..
those that claim no hatred, of Bush and conservatives. Just their claim of detached enlightment, pointing out the faults, the many faults of the opposition.

But one with just a basic maturity level and fairness. Can easily sense the falseness in such statement. Just by the attitude, and singleness of purpose by those that constantly espouse their "feeling" and loathing of those that they disagree with.

It really is amazing that people live and project such singleness of purpose. That their lives revolve around someone else, or some issue, rather than living their lives. That every little problem in their life, is someone elses fault. They failed to honestly respond to this columns content, but continue to blame Bush for their own measly little lives, and before that Reagan, etc., etc.

I too feel that President Bush has been a major disappointment. That the republican party leadership, is one of ineptness and cluelessness.

But I don't go around blaming everything that does not go my way, or the normal problems that all individuals sometimes find themself in. on someone else. It's not Bush's fault for my hang-nail, or my own failings in life.

Neither is it Bush's fault for many of those on the left with hemorrhoids on their rear side, and self inflicted personal problems.

profblog
I hear that! That clown ain't fit to be dog catcher! He just plainly gaffed off the National Anthem. I'll bet he'd snap-to for any muslim nation's national anthem.

Gunny
It has been said that "a picture is worth a thousand words." Well, that picture speaks more than all the words that Obama has ever uttered. May he never be commander-in-chief.

SSGT
Good post on the scummy media (and on the nitwit.)

But check out how the Silky Pony lies on camera and then limp-noodle libsquirt Stephanopolus cuts him a pass.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/01/06/st eph-catches-edwards-out-then-lets-it-slide

Hal Doofus idiots projects
"But you don't understand that we should strive to be at least good and if there are problems then correct them. Stay the course was a disaster for the troops and Iraq yet the neocon parrots squacked obediently. It wasn't until the VOTERS spoke that all changed"

What did the voters do to change the direction of the war. Calling it lost, like most of you coward libsquirts on the left? Sure Doofus. Spin it any way you wish. The Media did its best to call this country and its service members killers of atrocities. Your a coward, and I hope you don't sleep well at nights. And as for the Media, just look at the declining numbers in subscriiptionns. Keep on spewing your I'm a loser mentality. It just makes the heros stand out all the more.

Haloser
"GW and Carter will be in a spiral thru history to decide who was the most incompetent and the worse president."

Only if the history books are written by loser ignoranuses. Which they won't.

chuck
Yer killing me! HalD filling up his Depends! haha.

What I find funny is that Rush challenges Land Deal Reid to contribute to the MC/LE fund over that letter, to match the winner's payment. Rush lays out 2.1 MILLION DOLLARS of his own money to match the 2.1 from the winner, and Land Deal Reid takes a powder, proving himself to be a liar.

Only HalD could think Rush is (insert word here).

But then again, when you live in a fantasy world like Hal does, overlooking every wrong thing that liberals do, I guess it's easy to be a flaming moonbat.


And all of this
gives some who are on the same side as the media a sense that they are invincible or even infallible as in the case of the alleged Duke Lacrosse rape case.

Certainly the media contributed to Mike Nifong's audacious behavior as he ignored the law and went about making his own rules. He must have believed that as long as the media was supporting him, he was beyond being judged.

John Konop
Thanks for posting that again. He was a classic example of the real professional officer. He makes us all proud and forces us to realise the true cost of war.

ALL
Check THIS out.

At the link below, check out this stunning picture of four libturds during the National Anthem.

One, Richardson, is at LEAST facing the music and paying attention.

Two, Hitlary and the other female are looking at something pretty and flashy off in the distance. (Moonbats like flashy things.)

Three, oBLAHma holding his Jones waiting for the boring music to be over so that he can yammer and bleat to the sheep.

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/67dd9028-92eb-4f17-96a a-484f60611fee

HALD
I think I heard Rush call you a PHONY SOLDIER also, now what are you going to do about it. You will do like usual, readfy

WAAAAAAAAAAAA,WAAAAAAAAA,WAAAAAAAAA

Robert get your arse in here an change my DEPENDS now. Rush is at it again.

Moneyrunner
"But if people want to raise the issue of whether wars are worth the cost, then be honest and apply to all wars. Would you like to open that Pandora’s box? Was the Civil War worth it? World War 1 & 2? How about the Mexican War that took most of the Southwest from Mexico and made it part of the United States? Should we re-examine the presidencies of Lincoln, Polk, Wilson, and Roosevelt?"

History has and does every day. GW and Carter will be in a spiral thru history to decide who was the most incompetent and the worse president.



HALD
Well,Well at it again I see

These criminal terrorist are going to invade the U.S.

HALD repsonse Quit living in fear get the TERRORIST and get a LIFE.

Tell that to the survivers and their families who watch their loved ones die on 9/11. It didnt take an Army to bring down the TOWERS. It took 19 people with fake ID/Drivers License , you know the Drivers license that you LIBS want to give to ILLEGALS

OOOPPPS I forgot that you and your MOVEON,ORG and HUFFYPUFFY believe that BUSH is the sole TERRORIST

Robert get my pipe Im a smoooookin now.

Profblog
"Editors that need sales to make a profit, and who often have their own agenda. That is the author's premiss. "

That is capitalism the profit motive; if it bleeds it leads is an axiom because it sells papers. Just like the failing Limbaugh (calling himself the nation's anchorman) must attack soldiers as "phony" both NEED attention

Military Blogger Dies In Iraq;

Top Military Blogger Dies In Iraq; Read His Final Post

OW-Andrew Olmsted, who also posted here as G’Kar, was killed yesterday in Iraq. Andy gave me a post to publish in the event of his death; the last revisions to it were made in July.

Andy was a wonderful person: decent, honorable, generous, principled, courageous, sweet, and very funny. The world has a horrible hole in it that nothing can fill. I’m glad Andy — generous as always — wrote something for me to publish now, since I have no words at all. Beyond: Andy, I will miss you.

My thoughts are with his wife, his parents, and his brother and sister.

What follows is Andy’s post: a bit here; the rest below the fold. [UPDATE: I’m adding links to Andy’s last post at his Rocky Mountain News blogs, from about a week ago, where friends and family are expressing support in comments; to an article from yesterday that I believe is about his death; and to a post he wrote on his reasons for going to Iraq last June.]

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/top-military-blogg er-dies-in-iraq-read-his-final-post


Jason
Professional journalist are suppose to report the Truth about the Subjects also but when they find out that what the have put into the NEWS is false then where is the honor or professionalism
to report their wrong reporting about the subject. THERE IS NON.



jerabaub
You raise a very valid point: history will judge the Bush presidency.

However, you make some very elementary mistakes. The people who don’t regard Bush’s presidency as legitimate are few and limited to the kook fringe of the Left. That fringe seems to have grown and certainly become more vocal thanks to organizations like MoveOn.org, Media Matters and the funding of some very wealthy people like George Soros.

Second, the people proposing the question: “was Iraq worth the cost” are the same members of the media joined at the hip to the Liberal leaders in Congress. Most rational people don’t look at war that way. They look at whether a war is won or lost.

But if people want to raise the issue of whether wars are worth the cost, then be honest and apply to all wars. Would you like to open that Pandora’s box? Was the Civil War worth it? World War 1 & 2? How about the Mexican War that took most of the Southwest from Mexico and made it part of the United States? Should we re-examine the presidencies of Lincoln, Polk, Wilson, and Roosevelt?

And don’t try to tell me that those wars were forced on us. No war is ever forced. There is always the option of doing nothing or surrender.

acceptreality
"Just when I think that our public education system could get no worse, I read your rantings and am reassured. "

Ahhh thank you but then be aware I never attended any part of the public education system LOL. Oh wait, I apoligise my masters is from a public school

War is
heII. Anyone who thinks that intelligence will always be perfect, and that perfect decisions will be made by leadership, is crazy. Ike had to "roll the dice" and send thousands to the shores of Normandy. We study it with hindsight, turning it slowly, like examining a relic or antique. What about "giv'em heII Harry" who had to decide whether to drop the A bombs? It's so easy to condemn that call, and ignore the fire bombing of Tokyo that killed more than Hiroshima.
"In a single night, 334 B-29 "Superfortress" bombers carpeted Tokyo with a half-million incendiary cylinders, sparking fires that spread with deadly speed through the cramped wooden homes and buildings of densely populated downtown quarters."

http://www.orientexpat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=701

And that night over 100,000 civilians died. So, who decides what gets printed? Editors that need sales to make a profit, and who often have their own agenda. That is the author's premiss.
If anyone needs an education about the "4th Estate," start with Bernie Goldberg's books "Bias," and "Arrogance." You must have your head in the sand to believe that the MSM, and the institutions that "educate" the next generation, are even slightly objective at all.

Vic
"The ony way we will get news of
Americans being tortured is for there to be a place or country in which thre is anti-American riots going on and Bush does not want to intervene "

Vic what part of "bad guys torture and good guys don't" can't you understand? Are good and bad relative? Is that what you are saying?

Simply amazing
Being born in 1955, I have seen amazing bits of indoctrination over the years, that some people apparently poo-poo into saying that there is no liberal bias.

During my lifetime, liberal bias has been working full time since the 1960 election.

I voted for John F. Kennedy in my kindergarten class of 1960. We were shown 2 photos, one of this dashing young man and another of this old, tired, 5-O-Clock shadowed man (with the camera looking up his nostrils), and I said "ewww", I'm not voting for that guy!" just like a good little liberal.

The mindset of the left wing liberal crowd is VERY REAL. It is the parasite vs producer mentality.

And we are not going on a witch hunt, we are just trying to get to the real truth!

As a father, engineer, business owner, and American, my attitude took a hard right in 1981 when the press blistered Reagan on his SDI stance.

Living under the constant fear of nuclear holocaust since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, I was joyous when I investigated the SDI theories. THAT WOULD SOLVE OUR NUCLEAR PROBLEM THE PRESS HAS BEEN HARPING ON ALL MY LIFE!!!

After the left wing press blasted these ideas, I fully realized how ignorant, biased, and retarded in thinking the mainstream press really was. THEY NEED THE SKY TO BE FALLING EVERY DAY!!!

And the examples of their ignorant, biased, and retarded thought processes have been easy to find on a daily basis ever since.

Hal
Just when I think that our public education system could get no worse, I read your rantings and am reassured.

The ony way we will get news of
Americans being tortured is for there to be a place or country in which thre is anti-American riots going on and Bush does not want to intervene.

Beam me up, Scottie
I agree, but all objective facts have a subjective interpretation and belief system. Here, the "fact" is "more negative stories" and the subjective interpretation is "numerically, a pluralism if stories constitutes an indoctrination."

The belief system is: mathematically, if I count more stories about bombs than schools, then I am being indoctrinated to believe there are more bombs than schools. That may or may not be the case, but in the media, it is more or less perception. If we do not like that perception, then we can only stay away from the media for information. Anything else is deliberate indoctrination. We have to wise up, not go on a mob-like witch hunt for liberals.

NUTNFINR/Jason
"You don't understand that no war is perfect. No leader is perfect. Nor is every member of any nation's armed forces."

But you don't understand that we should strive to be at least good and if there are problems then correct them. Stay the course was a disaster for the troops and Iraq yet the neocon parrots squacked obediently. It wasn't until the VOTERS spoke that all changed.


"You are in the stands and not in the arena. You are not one of those who protect your right to criticize and lie about our leaders and servicemen and women."

Pardon me as a US citizen and VOTER I am in the areana and I am responsible. LIE? Come on the NeoCons have elevated lieing to an art form.

"In time of war one does not give up his right to be critical, but with that right comes the obligation to do so constructively--offer solutions you think will help our nation."

Rubbish blind obedience is the trait of slaves and those who followed Stalin and Hitler. Churchill and Roosevelt both had critics. If nothing else it sharpens a rational leader's actions

"Instead, you and your vile ilk simply hate President Bush, our military, even our nation."

Just what did Jason say that was so vile? Bush is so incompetent he isn't worth hating

"We are in a fight for our very existence and you cry because your lefty idols are not in power."

We are? Oh do tell how? These criminal terrorists are going to invade the US? These criminal terrorist are as dangerous as Nazi Germany or the old Soviet Union? Stop living in fear take care of the terrorists and yes get a life


History will judge Bush on Iraq
I don't think there is any doubt most journalists are "liberal".

Insofar as Iraq is concerned, MacKinnon and his rightwing pals conveniently forget there was little serious condemnation of the Bush adminstration's "justifications" for invading Iraq in the months immediately following the invasion. The leftwing media was largely M.I.A. during this period.

Only after the initial invasion when insurgencies began cropping up all over Iraq did the media begin focusing on the "negatives". And I will readily concede it did that with a vengeance.

There are alternatives to media emphasis on the negatives in Iraq. One can listen to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity and be fed only, or overwhelmingly, "positive" developments on Iraq.

There is a bias against Bush within many in the media.

From the election in 2000, many don't regard his presidency as "legitimate".

And when Bush launched what has become an extremely controversial war in Iraq, media became even more hostile.

But I now think if Americans knew in March of 2003 what they now know on Iraq, they would not have supported it.

They are asking questions: "Was Iraq worth the cost?"..."What was accomplished?"..."As a result of the invasion, has the threat from Islam extremists lessened, or worsened?"

The surge may bring temporary good news, but these questions will not go away.

And the answer to these questions will determine whether the Bush presidency is viewed by history as a success or a failure.

Stop the NeoCon Excuses
So you incompetents are now trying to blame all the choas and failure on the fourth Estate? It won't work this time around. The primary point is the entire NeoCon foreign policy was incompetently excuted and has been an unmitagated disaster for the US and the rest of the world. It is over you are out; this time I hope for good.

By the way, why is Osama still free and now in a position to get Pakistan's nukes? Folks we need adult leadership and we need it fast

Jason....
You have swallowed the left's drivel whole. You don't understand that no war is perfect. No leader is perfect. Nor is every member of any nation's armed forces. You are in the stands and not in the arena. You are not one of those who protect your right to criticize and lie about our leaders and servicemen and women. In time of war one does not give up his right to be critical, but with that right comes the obligation to do so constructively--offer solutions you think will help our nation. Instead, you and your vile ilk simply hate President Bush, our military, even our nation. We are in a fight for our very existence and you cry because your lefty idols are not in power.

Get a life!

Informed Voter
There is a difference between objective facts and subjective interpretation. You shouldn't confuse the two. It is absolutely possible to quantify and document the bias in the media. It is not spin to note the high ratio of democrats to republicans in the news business for example. It is also not spin to count the number and thrust of stories published on various topics. The lexus/nexis search tool and modern technology not only makes it possible to objectively determine trends, it makes it inevitable.

It Will Have No New Resolutions
Except that it would probably like to continue without criticism. Quoting famous people and using studies is not that key to seeing through the MSM agenda. One easy way is to check the adjectives used when it refers to people.

I agree
Jason, that "the purpose of good journalism
is to keep us the American public informed" so we may hold our government and OTHERS accountable. Unfortunately, journalists put their liberal,activist drawers back on after 9-11 and returned, with fervor, to reporting ineptly, selectively, inaccurately so that you believe "The Bush administration, since the start of the Iraq war, has misled, deceived, and lied about the objectives of the war". You probably think it was just about WMDs. Sigh. Too many reporters selectively heard what they did or did not want to hear explained, and then cherry-picked what to report to shape what they THOUGHT was being said, or inferred what was not implied (classic), or found some "authority" with their own bone to pick to support a report's pre-set view, or ....oh never-mind. "News" cannot be trusted anymore. As for Fox News, of course they show negative, you choose not to see it, I guess, because they are pleased to show good news too.

indoctrination centers
Sgt: "We won't get our country back until our colleges and universities become educational centers rather than indoctrination centers."

I'm with you, we need Senator McCarthy more than ever. Put indoctrination back in the hands of government where it belongs.

those damn liberals
You say: "As an example, any independent study of the media during the past few years will show an almost obsessive need to promote exclusively negative stories about Iraq."

By "independent" you mean "agrees with your conclusion already."

Doesn't anyone get the irony here? You ARE a member of the media, slanting a story to suit your purposes. And that story? How the media slants things.

The Age of Aquarius has been cancelled
If anybody running for President against Hillary would start using that phrase in his campaign, he would soon find his legions growing.

This is the Hippies last kick at the can of history, and believe that they are going to take it. Unfortunately media is a career from which nobody retires save as Dan Rather eventually did. If you want them out, you have to kick them to the curb. And there is your solution.

What is news?
The report on paper. If it isn't on paper, tape, CD or DVD, it didn't happen.

Truth is for the last man standing who knows what happened.

The Media's Role
The Fourth Estate sees what it is doing as being in the best interest of the nation. The destruction of Bush and the Republicans is vital in the effort to institute a socialist utopia. If the truth has to be 'massaged' in an effort to lead the people to do what the journalists want done then that is what is done. Many journalists are so wedded to their vision they are not aware they are shaping the news rather than reporting it.

It probably has been this way all along. The difference now is that the vast majority in the media are of one voice when it comes to politics. In the past there was more balance of thought. Just as there were, at one time, conservative Democrats, there were conservative newspapermen. The 60s put an end to that.

Baby Boomer / Watergate Mentality

The bright light brought by Obama in his presidential bid, (I don't like his politics, but I like the man) includes rejection of the baby boomer "don't trust the man" mentality that has contaminated all segments of our society for decades.

Now the MSM infrastructure established by this baby boomer mentality has to be dismantled. It will take some time but I hope and believe it has started through rejection of the MSM status quo by the general population.

Astonished in 1973 to discover I was identified by the baby boomers as the industrialists enemy of American society I have been amazed at how long it has taken for the truth to begin to reemerge.

Some of the boomer generation, in particular those who chose to reorder key elements of our society, did not and do not understand the negative impact their philosophy has had and continues to have on the American culture.


The purpose of good journalism
is to keep us the American public informed so we may hold our government accountable. The Bush administration, since the start of the Iraq war, has misled, deceived, and lied about the objectives of the war. When the media points this out, according to MacKinnon, they are dishonorable and unprofessional. Every misconduct of the troops should be reported. Reporting on a few bad apples does not "smear" all our troops. That is an exaggeration. One of the most brutal insurgencies the nation has ever fought was the Philippine Insurrection of 1900-1903. It was also one of the most highly censored because of the shameful and racist conduct of the troops. Finally, if MacKinnon wants to criticize the news media, criticize the right wing media. The "alternative" Fox News especially has been highly selective in not reporting negative news, which is OK with MacKinnon, proving it is nothing but a propagandist an apologist for the Bush administration and its failed policies. Chaka Z.

Hey Tinsldr2: How are things? Hope all

has been well...

Couldn't sleep... Ugh! I'll be checking in tomorrow...

Be safe.


Real News From Iraq
And Now the rest of the story:

http://www.taskforcemarne.com

http://www.taskforcemarne.com/home/781?task=view

The news is there for those who wnat to see it. The problem is most American Sheeple don't.

Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

McKinnon almost gets there
McKinnon presents some excellent points and establishes worthy objectives. But I believe he has abandoned recognition of some painful realities.

McKinnon writes "...A resolution that, for the sake of the nation, puts honorable journalism before political, cultural or religious bias, before competition, and before ratings."

McKinnon misses the realities that (1) the "sake of the nation" takes second priority in the minds of liberal journalists to regaining and maintaining the political power of the Democrats and (2) because of number (1) today's liberal journalists can't distinguish between journalism and political activism.

McKinnon also writes "In the United States, journalism is still a noble calling that schools the serious-minded in the collecting of facts, writing news stories that reflect those facts and editing that material in a way that the truth is never compromised."

Unfortunately this statement is simply false. Although McKinnon uses the word "schools" as a verb, the reality is that too many of our nation's schools of journalism ("schools" being used as a noun here) do not teach journalism as a discipline for reporting facts. They teach it as a mechanism for advancing the liberal agenda.

The idea that journalists will suddenly re-develop the honorable principles McKinnon pines for in his eighth paragraph just because a new year has dawned is beyond reasonable expectation. And the alleged culprits of "competition" and "ratings" cited by McKinnon in his first paragraph do not seem to be in play at all. The left media has continued its BDS-induced barrage unabated in spite of losing viewers, listeners, and readers in virtually every one of its outlets.

The media
"You provide the pictures, and I'll provide the war." Randolph William Hearst, about what was to become the Spanish American War
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