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Friday, February 02, 2007
Douglas MacKinnon :: Townhall.com Columnist
GOP Wins White House in ’08
by Douglas MacKinnon
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As one who has been involved in presidential campaigns -- both intimately and as an occasional adviser -- I would venture to say that two fairly recent events have turned the 2008 election from an almost assuredly Democratic victory to a better-than-even chance that Republicans hold the White House for at least four more years.

What happened? First, Mark Warner, the former successful Democratic governor of a red, southern state (Virginia) inexplicably took himself out of a race he was already running and, by some accounts, winning. Second, and unfortunately for the Democrats, they made the mistake of actually reclaiming majorities in the House and the Senate. Whoops. Now they have to go on record, govern, accept responsibility and in the process annoy and anger voters. Voters who may take it out on their standard-bearer for president.

As for Mr. Warner, most Republicans I have spoken with behind the scenes were petrified of him. They, like me, felt that the nation was suffering from "party-in-power fatigue." That even if you liked George W. Bush, eight years of any party in the White House was about enough. Time to give the other team a chance. When the failures of the Iraq war and the media piling on were added to the mix, it was all but impossible for non-delusional Republicans to see how centrist, articulate, funny, self-made millionaire Mr. Warner would not be the next president of the United States.

Well, not anymore. Governor "Electable" is out and Republicans are practically turning cartwheels, while many Democrats are crestfallen. As one high-level Democratic fund-raiser recently told me, "With Warner out, our party is now looking very beatable in 2008."

What about Hillary Clinton? Clearly, she has set her sights on the White House. That said, her candidacy still makes no sense to me for a host of reasons, such as Whitewater, commodity deals, Monica-gate, HillaryCare, Lincoln bedroom coffees and the fear of a never-ending Bush-Clinton residency within the Oval Office. Beyond those, there is still the decidedly politically incorrect reason that -- as with a black candidate -- I don't think the United States of today is quite ready to elect a woman president.

On my side of the fence, and to further buck conventional wisdom, I don't think Sen. John McCain will win the Republican nomination. Leaving policy out of the equation, I don't think he will get the nomination for two critically important reasons that also impacted my old boss -- Bob Dole -- in the general election against Bill Clinton. Those reasons being age and health concerns.

Mr. McCain will be 72 in 2008 and he has already dealt with some major health issues. Behind closed doors, a number of Republicans worry about those issues. On top of that, if you add the fact that many conservatives are truly angry with Mr. McCain for his pro-immigration "amnesty" policy, then it becomes somewhat easier to see why he may not break the tape at the Republican finish line.

If not him, who? I think when it's all said and done, the last two men standing will be former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts and former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York. The "Mormon" and the "pro-choice" Republican. What was unlikely a year ago is becoming somewhat more plausible with each passing day.

Mr. Romney is the mirror opposite of Mr. Warner in as much as he is a very successful multimillionaire governor in an ultra-blue, northern state. Even with that, how does he knock down the "Mormon" issue?

First, I don't think it will be that big a deal. Second, and ironically, Mr. Romney has Mr. McCain and/or Republican operatives to thank for it being harder to hurt him on this issue. Back in 2000, Mr. McCain was savaged by disgusting "push-polling" done just before the South Carolina primary. In 2008, those repugnant tactics will be even more frowned upon.

Third, time has moved on. If someone does try to pull a "South Carolina" on Mr. Romney, we now have the all-seeing Internet and armies of bloggers just waiting to assign fingerprints to those playing dirty. Last, Mr. Romney simply needs to address the issue as John F. Kennedy did in 1960 with regard to his Catholicism.

As for Mr. Giuliani, he is an American icon cast in iron on September 11. Fact or fiction, the myth only grows. More importantly, the former mayor knows what many presumptive candidates have forgotten -- that terrorism will most likely be the No. 1 issue come November of 2008. As the world grows more dangerous, and as the threats against us multiply, Mr. Giuliani's firm hand of 2001 may well trump any "shortcomings" he may have with primary voters.

So, has Mr. Warner dropping out and the Democrats winning a majority in Congress doomed the Democrats to four more years of Republican White House rule?

Much can happen, but it seems, at least for the moment, that the pendulum has swung back to the Republicans. Let the finger pointing, name calling and lack of meaningful leadership begin.

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The illegal immigration issue
is dead. The Dems won't help you and there aren't enough of you to make something happen.
None of the front runners will touch that issue with a ten foot pole.

See, that is what happens when you roll for "all or nothing"...sometimes you get nothing.












I'm curious Reenie
Choose: Win the war or close the borders.

Reenie
I doubt it... I'd support Hunter, since we're both Californian, Tancredo I would not mind too much either... But Paul... I'll go on record here: I would never vote for another Texan. Bush treated my homestate like garbage, and most Texans seem to enjoy causing damage to California...

Newt for president
If the conservatives cannot even nominate Newt, what else do they expect in 2008? Better living under Hillary's presidency? Good luck.

The fact is, Romney and Giuliani are quasi-conservatives. I don't think the conseravative base will support them--which means...congrats to Dems in 2008.

The thing that the cons need to understand is, the conservative base will choose to stay at home if the Rep nominee is a liberal conservative. So I don't understand the premature conclusion that the last men standing are Romney and Giuliani.




You're all wrong!
Whatever the arguments - Hillary will be the Democrat nominee in '08 and the American people will never elect her for numerous reasons but most tellingly, they do not trust a Democrat president to lead in time of danger and terrorism. And, the results of the Congressional election were not a true gauge of the electorate's feelings - basically, they were reacting to the MSM's constant barrage of Iraq negativity and the Foley tragedy, which incidently, was egged on by Democrats, who had sat on the knowledge for months. Watching the Democrats embarrassing cat-fighting led by that disaster Nancy Pelosi, the American people will be sick of them quickly. Come '08, the Republicans will safely be in the majority in the House and Senate and own the Presidency. Goodby Fairness Doctrine.

While not in any...
Presidential campaign, I also have worked the political byways in support of conservative goals for years and I can smell a pump the people con job from a mile away. So, lets get it straight from the outset...those you tag as being "non-delusional Republicans" the rest of the normal folk know as RINO'S, and there isn't nearly enough of those beasts around to elect anyone, let alone a Republican as President. I do agree with you that McCain won't be the man...he can't be trusted, thus can't win the nomination in the primaries. There is however an outside chance he could garner enough delegates to prevent anyone else from winning it either, thus taking the nomination to the convention where deals would be cut. In that atmosphere and with enough delegate power going in he could be crowned the nominee. Personally, I'd leave the Presidential slot blank rather than vote for him in the general. Giuliani on the other hand could win it in the primaries, and could get my vote in the general. I dislike his liberal positions on the social issues very much but what you see is what you get. The man has a backbone, and to me that must be taken into consideration due to the ongoing war with world terrorists, so I would vote for him in the general election. Romney hasn't a chance...not because he's Mormon but because he seems to manufacture his character to fit the moment.

Personally, I don't agree that our choices are limited to McCain, Giuliani and Romney. They have name recognition at the moment but there is time for others to acquire it yet. My personal preferences would be Tancredo of Colorado, Jim Gilmore of Virginia or Duncan Hunter of California. If anyone of them can get some public exposure the Republicans have a chance of holding the White house in '08. The one sure way NOT to hold it is to nominate a RINO such as Warner is, Romney is and McCain is.

My personal prediction based on today plus the probable migration of events is that we should all get ready for our first female president. The Republican party tried to erect a BIG TENT. In doing so they let the camels nose slip under the edge which promtly pulled up a few of the stakes & stays and the party refuses to acknowledge what happened to them thus can't figure out how to put it back together again. They stand zero chance of retaining the Presidency or regaining majority status in '08.

To enforce the lies of the present, it is necessary to erase the truths of the past..The radio blogger

Media has given us our choices
Two years before the election, the mainstream media, as always concerned with how well the GOP will do (as if!), have narrowed the list of republican presidential candidates to McCain and Giuliani. I am a conservative and if the GOP is so spineless as to give us the choice between these two, whichever democrat wins the nomination will start with a huge advantage: the GOP will have abandoned its base (imagine the dems losing the black vote for a comparable situation).

Meanwhile, the list of prez hopefuls grows, becoming something of a line of lottery ticket buyers stretching around the block.

However, I feel that many fellow conservatives are taking a long, hard look at Rep Duncan Hunter (R-CA) as a very appealing candidate. Started out on the House Armed Services Committee, rising to chair the committee before republicans threw the midterms having become indistinguishable from free-spending liberals, with an able assist from George "Veto Pen? What's dat?" Bush.

Does any sentient republican plan to have his/her choice of candidates handed him/her by the left-leaning MSM, which has bashed Bush daily for the last six years?

While I'm sure there are many decent democrats in the House and Senate, when push comes to shove, they will do what they are told by the "Liberal Lions" (senile, entrenched deadwood infesting the House and Senate), with the likely exception of Joe Lieberman, who found out who his "friends" were as his former fellows went for "millionaire buying a Senate Seat" Ned Lamont. Oops!

The republicans seem to have arrived at the delusion that they must become more like democrats to gain acceptance. Bush should have learned this was a losing proposition when he sucked up to the libs in his first term, determined to throw money at problems right along with the best of 'em. He got taxes right, while realizing that terrorists pose an ongoing international threat that must be addressed, as ignoring the problem had resulted in 9/11. Now he seems as though he is pursuing liberal policies as though this will serve republicans in some fashion, while many republican officials seem to think that throwing in the towel will impress their conservative base. Uh, may I suggest that they reach out and grab a clue?

While a modest beginning, I note that in a recent poll, Romney got 3%, while much lower-profile Duncan Hunter got 2%.

It ain't much...but it's a start.

Meanwhile the GOP powers that be can flash their "face cards" McCain and Giuliani, but neither of these two will get my vote in '08... and if this is the choice, why bother?

Go ahead and go with these two clowns. Expect a dem landslide in '08. I REFUSE to hold my nose as I cast my usual straight-ticket republican vote, which is cast AGAINST dems as opposed to FOR republicans (the lesser of two evils).

I suspect that there are a lot of conservatives who feel betrayed, just as I do. However, I know that it isn't "rain" falling on my back, try as they might to manipulate me toward the "center."

By this time next year, people won't be asking, "Duncan who?" But the republicans threw the midterms. Maybe they'll go for two! Putting either McCain or Giuliani at the top of the ticket would be a good way to go about it.

TownHall offers a large selection of commentaries each day. Basing columns on either McCain or Rudy RINO will make it much easier to skip over them and get to a serious writer. I won't vote for 'em, and neither will I read about 'em. I have zero interest in either.

GOP in 2008
It's true that Bush, and the formerly GOP Congress, abandoned the principles of conservatism and small government. I'd love to see the GOP embrace real conservatism, but not the Pat Buchanan xenophobic style. It distresses me to hear the "close-the-borders" voices in the GOP. Unless you are a native American, you are here because someone in your family was fortunate enough to immigate to America. Our whole nation was built by, and depends upon, the skill and labor of immigrants who want nothing more than a better life. Instead of trying to deny that opportunity to Mexicans, we should be working to streamline and, yes, liberalize, LEGAL immigration.

I'm not in favor of English as a second language or extension of government benefits or any special privileges to immigrants and non-citizens. But if you want to come here and work, America needs you.

I want my GOP to be on the right side of all issues. Don't concede immigration to the Democrats, who DO want to increase the number of people who are wards of the government. Help America be strong by enabling willing workers to come here legally and grow our economy. Everybody wins.

All of this furor from the media
and the Republican Party bigshots tells me that the Repubs still have not figured out why they lost seats in the last election. Most are blaming Iraq for all of it. Sure it had an effect, but I don't think it was the mjor effect. If they can not wise up on the 06 election, it doesn't bode well for the 08 election.

my 2 cents
This was an interesting piece and methinks it will be even more interesting in a year because I'm going to file it and save it and read it again in a year.

Which is just before the primaries begin.

Is this a great country or what?

Lydia
Not sure I understand your comment that Romney is another Bush...can you elaborate?

I agree Vic...
The Republican party definitely hasn't figured out why they were booted, and they aren't going to. It hurts too much I guess. Tough! I also agree that while the the fighting in Iraq had a negative impact, it wasn't caused by the existence of the fighting but by the fact it wasn't and isn't seriously being fought to win. The hands of our troops were and are cuffed by the touchy feely concept of "winning the hearts and minds"...a noble goal indeed, but one that should come only after the country was pacified. We needed to send overwhelming force in to defeat the Iraqi's, declare martial law, seal the borders and vet the population of terrorists elements, all this while installing and protecting the government we should have let form in this country as a pre invasion shadow government.

I have no problem with our reasons for invading Iraq but total incompetence both in pre invasion planning and restrictive rules of engagement has cost American fighting forces many lives that need not have been lost. The stupid Johnson/McNamara restrictive rules of engagement during Nam protracted the fighting and allowed our domestic enemies (AKA Dems, ACLU et al) to organize and history shows us we lost the war right here on American soil because of it. I carry a big chip on my shoulder for this gaggle of idiots that refused to learn or chose to ignore this largest most visible lesson of the fighting in Nam.

Leaving
Yep...the hard liners and absolutist are all leaving.

They've had enough of this president that will stand up for HIS principles, instead of THEIRS.

And politicians that act like...well politicians.

Even the NRO who dub themselves "Conservative" media are talking about taking their marbles and going home.

But ah people...where's "home"?

Oh I know...
the land where no one wins national elections and can't make any difference.

Well for 2 years the RINO press has been spreading their wings...trying to tell the WH and Congress what to do. Like their MSM counter parts; they believe they have a God-given right to be consulted.

So maybe now is the time to see if they can fly...take a 3rd party of extremes and make the mob do their bidding.

Well I for one am for it...I think their poison has hurt the ONLY viable party that wants to win and the GOP cannot begin to heal until these RINOs (Republican In Name Only) leaves.





Land of Make Believe
Okay, I'll go out on the proverbial limb- Guiliani in 2008.
Why? 'Cause the Fed says so.
Warner's out, probably beacuse he was told it's not his turn. Obama? Sorry, Dreamworks; you're wasting your money. Clinton? Oh, please... Biden? He blew it the same day he announced, not that he had a snowball's chance anyway.
Guiliani, in the eyes of the Fed, has two big advantages - he's a known, controllable item, and he's already widely popular. Hold the election next Tuesday, and watch what would happen.
Me, I'm for Ron Paul; not only does he agree with the Constitution, he appears to have read it. But, he doesn't stand a chance - no way the bankers are letting him on board.
And by the way, yes I have seen Aaron Russo's film, but I didn't have to. I love the guy for making the movie, but none of it should have been news to an American.

To Paraphrase...
Hughes Mearns:

Rino was sitting in a chair,
knowing the bottom wasn't there,
Nor legs nor back, but he just sat,
Ignoring little things like that....

And so it went in '06
comes now '08


Anyone's take on..
Newt Gingrich?
It seems that a-politicals need an actor behind the podium and the folks that pay attention want a candidate who takes a hard line. I've heard Gingrich speak many times - but he can't get the press to laugh like the Gipper did.

Predictions
Just my observation but if Rudy is the frontrunner, expect to see someone like Santorum as the VP. Rudy has the ability to pick up more of the conservative democrats because he is a moderate. Caveat: if the hard right goes the Perot route, cancel Christmas and say hi to Madame President.

Hunter on the ticket is an interesting thought. The democrats cannot win the white house without California - just can't overcome that. The Republicans can and have, but it makes it close. He puts the Democrats in a dilemma - if their hard left is too vocal the California moderate Democrats will be repelled, if they hold them in check the moderate Democrats will be thinking "why not vote for the real thing and go with Hunter".

No consideration of issues in the above analysis just the electoral calculus.

Ron Paul
Ron Paul isn't a Texan, by the way. He was born in Pittsburg, Pennsylvania and educated outside Texas. Go to http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml
Also go to youtube and Google video and plug in "Ron Paul" as a search term. You will find a lot of things that will surprise you.

This man is for the U. S. Constitution above all! NOT corporations, NOT the Republican Party.

If you don't know anything about him except that he lives in Texas, you are missing the whole point.

Through a glass darkly
It seems the author was a consultant to Dole. That is not a good byline for such as disastrous campaign. He may be correct that Mitt, Rudy, and say a Newt or Hunter may be in the primaries. St. John will not be nominated. Period. The winner will have to choose a known conserv VP. Santorum, Hunter, even Newt might work. But the fact is, those who think the GOP is going to sweep back the Congress are not paying attention. The Senate races show many weakened Pubs up for re-election. They might lose up to 8 seats . As for the House, there was a 30 seat loss; the polls show now that Pubs could lose as many as 20 more in the NE and MW areas alone. Unless the BASE is convinced that the Party is finally going to stand for its conserv agenda, the GOP Congressionally will be a slaughter. And as for the Prez, how many of the BASE are really excited about any of the choices? I would love Newt but his baggage alone would doom him. The other wannabes, Tancredo, Paul for heaven's sakes, and Hunter would not even win a Senate seat in their own states!

no more empty rhetoric!
What we need is a candidate who will excite the electorate with clearly articulated goals. All we get from Democrats is "We will help the people better" even though they don't. (Liberal policies actually hurt poor people!!) But I haven't heard any thing definitive from conservatives either, except for maybe Tancredo.

When will somebody come out and say, "If I am President, I will dismantle the IRS and implement the FairTax." Then, they can explain how it helps EVERYONE!

There are other issues too where nobody seems to say anything definitive. Only NEWT hast the courage to articulate specifics.

Ron Paul -R Tx

.....I don't know much about Ron Paul beyond the fact that he introduced a bill to get the United States out of the U.N. .....I would vote for him on that issue alone .....COLOSSUS

FairTax.
Thank you for bringing that up, pointguard. Imagine someone (anyone!) making that the primary focus of their campaign. "If I am President, I will dismantle the IRS and implement the FairTax."

I would love it, but is it really something that can be done by executive decree? Last I heard HR25 was gathering dust somewhere...

Republicans are clueless on loss in 06
They wouldn't be if you folks would write them and tell them why you (foolishly, IMO) voted for Democrats. The ballot box is a stupid way to send a message to your elected officials because it's not a specific enough message. You're saying "I don't like that candidate" but WHY?

My congressional delegation already knows what I want from them. I don't know if they will do what I want, but I do know they know my wishes and what my likely action will be if they don't do what I want. I'm going to keep saying this until people get the message. If you don't communicate with your elected officials or with those you might want to replace them, you really aren't guiding them in the way you want the country to go.

Ballot box statements are not specific enough to really communicate anything!

With about a year
still to go before the first primary, all our speculation is hot air.
How about a pre-primary primary right.
My vote goes to Gingrich. He's the only conservative who is really conservative and the only one smart enough to articulate to lay out a coherent plan

Sanity:
First, for you to think that the US cannot win the war and control the border at the same time is insulting. ALmost in line with "jobs Americans won't do".

You also seem hostile to real, small government, Constitutional Conservatives that you see as bad for the party.

The same attitude that you project here is what lost Congress this last election. In an attempt to appeal to folks that will never vote for them anyway, Republicans moved to the left and let down the people that put them in power. If this seems like a recipe for success to you, that's your choice. It's also the choice that led to failure.

And as far as your stance on immigration (all or nothing gets nothing) where conservatives lost, I gather you see the Senate bill as a winner (I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm just going off of what I gather from your posts). The Senate bill is more hard liner than the House bill... it's just lined to the left. The house bill is more in tune with what Americans want. How do I know? The senate bill was crafted by liberals that need only face their voters every six years, and got the vote of every Democrat and the "usual suspect" Repubs.

The house bill was written by folks that want to keep their jobs.

In an attempt to appeal to 5% of the voters, the liberal senate and the capitulation Repubs turned their backs on the rest of America. The house bill wasn't "enforcement only". It was "enforcement first". The Senate bill puts the appointment of immigration judges in the hands of liberal immigration lawyers, allows immigrants with two felonies and one criminal charge to stay, and lets them have special tax priveleges.

If you think the Linc Chaffees and Arlen Specters of the world are the Repub party's future, then I am glad you're content with telling us conservatives to get lost. Maybe we will. If the Repub party stays out of power because of it and the Demos ruin America, we can always move to Alaska and seceed.

Kangaroo
You should check out Ron Paul. He isn't anything like George Bush. I've lived in Texas for 20 years. Even before that, I followed Ron Paul and what he did. He was wonderful then and he is wonderful now. He has stood by his Constitutional principles the entire time and not wavered once. He is the man of honor and integrity that we've been looking for, folks.

I encourage you to check him out.

http://www.house.gov/paul/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html
http://www.ronpaulforcongress.com/


Tomatopie:
Thing is, our ancestors immigrated here legally. Our immigration laws were set up with immigration levels for a reason. There is only so many people that we can effectively assimilate at one time, without totally changing our culture. What's more... people from all over the world that want to come here should have a chance, shouldn't they? Not just Mexico. If we keep going the way we are going, the U.S. will be an extension of Mexico. Is that what we want?

Not me.

How about Hagel?
The leading GOP and Democratic candidates to date leave me cold. Guiliani has too much personal baggage - a good Mayor in 2001 but otherwise not smart enough, three wives, etc. Gingrich has a moral issue or two, also. McCain is for more troops in Iraq, a mess that has become a major millstone around the neck of the Republicans.

Romney seems to be a decent man, but as a Mormon he won't get sufficient support in the Bible Belt. Personally I can't take the sanctimonious Brownback, and Hunter is much too much of a 'nuke 'em' warrior type, the last thing the USA needs at the moment. Richardson may be okay but this probably is not the time that an Hispanic can win, given strong feelings re illegal immigration.

My favorite at the moment? Senator Hagel. Smart. Independent. Anti-war. Or, maybe an effort should be made to draft Mark Warner.

Keep smiling.

ANd, Sanity...
You may notice that none of the true conservatives, both senate and house, were shaking in their boots that they may get the pink slip, save for Santorum and JD Hayworth, who was in Abramoff's pockets pretty good anyway. I guarantee Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul, John Kyl, and Duncan Hunter weren't sucking down a carton of Marlboro's to calm their nerves.

Ron Paul has the right ideas
Ron Paul has the right ideas of conservatism and where it needs to head.

If your not familiar with Ron Paul, google his name with Texas and you'll find some links on him.

These are ones who I would consider "Constitutional Conservatives". Correct me if I'm wrong.

Ron Paul of Texas (R)
John Shadegg of Arizona(R)
Bob Barr of Georgia (Repub turned Libertarian)

Ive heard some about Tancredo and Hunter but haven't had a chance to google them.

If there are any others please keep listing them.

Guilani or Romney?, Thats not a choice... the GOP has got to be saved.

Hunter/Santorum 2008
The Republican party will have to commit political suicide without me if they nominate a cheap labor importer for President. This is not about immigration. This is about illegal aliens and border security. There can be no homeland security without border security.
My point is illegal aliens are not immigrants. Immigrants seek our permission first by applying for a visa. They keep their documents in order and comply with our laws. Illegal aliens do not. They sneak across the border and acquire fraudulent I.D. The open borders crowd know that most Americans are predisposed to favor legal immigration, or at least it is what most would say publicly in our P.C. times. By purposely confusing illegal aliens with(legal)immigrants (really the only kind), the left and the media hope to marginalize those of us who are speaking out against amnesty as being xenophobic, nativist, racist, restrictionist, anti-immigrant bigots. I am not any of those. I am an American citizen whose citizenship means something to him. I like immigrants. I know people from all over the world. I am totally opposed to illegal aliens, regardless of where they are from. I am for retaining our rule of law and sovereignty.

trust the gop?
Trust the GOP?
This grand experiment of government of the people, by the people, for the people is being usurped by government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations.
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

Virginia Patriot
I agree with the vast majority of what I have seen you write, so I thought I would say this to you. You may want to check out the Military Commission Act a bit further, because Duncan Hunter sponsored it. Apparently, it does not just apply to foreigners, but to American citizens. It has to do with the "enemy combatant" designation.

Lydia
You said, "People like Mitt and Bush believe they are godly. I don't believe they are. Giuliani knows he isn't. And the nation is safer with a man who is not self-deluded."

I don't particularly like Guiliani, as you probably know, but I wanted to thank you for the chuckle. I agree.


Liberty
Hey... Sorry about the Paul comments... It's not fair to Paul... After Bush I'm just really cautious about things... But then, Bush is a party of 1 so it's best not to hold all Texas to him.
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