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Monday, October 06, 2008
Doug Giles :: Townhall.com Columnist
Hunters Against Obama
by Doug Giles
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You know, I’d love to believe that Obama is cool with guns and hunting, but when the nation’s largest and most radical group that wants to ban hunting thinks he’s peachy, it makes this middle-aged redneck think that maybe Barack is full of B’crap and his “pro gun/hunting” spiel is just another con job spun by the King of Obfuscation. But that’s just me.

This past week Obama added to his rogue gallery of support groups another radical band of anti-American spirit lunatics. No, I’m not talking about an additional endorsement by a new terrorist group or Black Muslim faction, or pro-abortion loon, or another communist cabal, or an extra Castro/Chavez-like dictator but rather the Humane Society (HSUS).

Y’know, opposites might attract in love, according to Paula Abdul (and who are we to question her wisdom?), but that’s not true in elections. Special interest axe-grinders look for sympathetic co-belligerents in their cause, and the Human Society found one in Obama and not in McCain/Palin, chiefly because Sarah puts the bam in Bambi and McCain favors fishing. I can’t live without either.

FYI to all those not in the know: The Humane Society is not a placid gaggle of folks who are just about rescuing flea-bitten puppies and kitties and then cutting their balls off. This society is also rabidly anti-hunting. Yep, if these now official bedfellows of Barack had it their way, hunting—like OJ’s career—would be a thing of the past.

Check out these sentiments from HSUS’s moist-eyed president Wayne Pacelle . . .

“If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would.” – as quoted by the Associated Press in Impassioned Agitator, December 30, 1991

“Our goal is to get sport hunting in the same category as cock fighting and dog fighting. Our opponents say hunting is a tradition. We say traditions can change.” – Bozeman Daily Chronicle, October 8, 1991

According to www.NRA.org,

“Pacelle knows that he has a proven friend in Obama after his support of Senator Ted Kennedy's legislation that would have banned virtually all rifle ammunition used by America's hunters. If successful, the legislation would have ended the vast majority of all hunting – a fact not lost on HSUS.

In Congress and state legislatures and city councils around the country, HSUS lobbies to defeat every measure that expands hunting opportunities for the country's sportsmen. It says it opposes only the most “barbaric and inhumane” hunting practices. What it doesn't say publicly is that HSUS believes that all sport hunting is ‘”barbaric and inhumane.”

There's never been a hunting ban or restriction that HSUS hasn't actively supported. It routinely lobbies to:

- Prohibit the use of traditional lead bullets and shot for all hunting;

- Prohibit urban and suburban archery deer hunting programs;

- Prohibit bear hunting in a number of states including New Jersey, Colorado and Alaska;

- Replace traditional hunting as a wildlife management tool, with expensive and unproven contraception programs;

- Retain Sunday hunting bans in states like Pennsylvania, Virginia and West Virginia;

- Ban the hunting of doves, the most widely hunted game bird in America; and

- Ensure that emotion, not science, dictates wildlife management practices

In addition to its anti-hunting efforts in the public policy realm, HSUS uses its enormous financial resources to regularly file lawsuits to stop hunting and the scientific wildlife management practices that recognize hunting as an essential tool. A recent example of this came when HSUS filed lawsuits that successfully closed millions of acres of wildlife refuges to hunting. This is despite the fact that Congress has determined that hunting is one of the traditional activities that should specifically be encouraged in refuges.”

Y’know, there’s a bazillion reasons, give or take, why I don’t like the Jobama ticket and a few reasons why I don’t like McCain. But as a long time hunter and fisherman, I have to say that a politician who’s in the tank with and receives cash from anti-hunters and is presumably expected to give them a big back scratch if elected is officially on my pro-hunting/pro-gun kiss my backside stink list. And . . . drum roll please . . . this time around, that would be Barack Obama. Yep, McCain gets my McNod.

And lastly to all the sportsmen and gun owners who still get giddy about Barack, you need to drink a café Cubana and wake the “H” up. Take a long, hard look at his true voting record and his anti-hunting buddies who think the world of him and then ask yourself, “self, are you insane?!?”

I’ve got to run now and finish prepping for my aoudad sheep, pronghorn antelope and wild boar hunt this week on my good buddy Bob’s 18,000 acre ranch in the wilds of West Texas. We will dedicate the harvesting of all the mature trophy animals to the Humane Society, PETA and their bent frame followers.

Additionally, we will toast these morons as we eat our prey’s backstraps under the big sky and donate the rest of the juicy meat to charity so that others, who currently can’t hunt (yet), can enjoy the high protein, low fat spoils of our sport.

God bless the hunter and hunting, and I hope to see all my pro-hunting and pro-gun brothers and sisters turn out in record numbers at the polls November 4th for McCain and Palin. Vote your gun, boys and girls, you might need it one day—and not just for venison.

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Killing animals for fun...
... yeah, you the big man Doug. Honestly, anyone who gets their kicks killing animals has got some serious mental issues. We read with horror (I hope) about that kid in Australia, breaking into the zoo, killing animals with a rock and feeding them to a croc. But how different is any other recreational hunter? It's jut killing animals for fun... a pretty dispicable "hobby" in my book.

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If one can stomach it, this video shows What Palin stands for, and Giles I assume.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ

It's cruelty, pure and simple.


Wolves
I understand that Gov. Palin was all for thinning out the wolf population in order to save the caribou...... save them for hunters, that is. Yup, they were afraid there wouldn't be enough caribou for the hunters. Yup. Makes alot of sense to me.

Andrew
I think Doug worships this big hunter.

http://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/Mugshot__TED-NUGENT.jpg

Andrew
You "hunt" too. It's just that you go to the supermarket and buy it all nice and neatly packaged. If all the grocery stored vanished tomorrow, you'd soon learn to "harvest" food or die.

Andrew: Ever Heard The One...
They say that the word "vegetarian" is an old Indian word for "bad hunter."

Culling the herds is man's place in good husbandry of our wildlife. Just because you can't imagine yourself capable of being a hunter, doesn't make it wrong. There is a huge amount of skill (and luck) involved in being a good hunter.

I imagine that if you and your family were starving, you'd re-think the issue. Man has been a hunter since the beginning of time; ever wonder why you have canine's as well as molars? Everything as God/nature intended.

Or in you mind, do you imagine hunters are out walking around in the wilderness shooting at everything that moves? Laughing their heads off, having "fun" as you put it. You know nothing about it, obviously, so you really shouldn't be so quick to be judgemental of others. Liberals certainly are intolerant of others' points of views, and their rights as well. What makes your opinion better than others'?

Giles
Is wrong again, its like he's pathological liar and is compelled to lie.

An impressive line up spoke on Obama’s behalf, starting with Fish, Wildlife and Parks Commission chairman and former state senator Steve Doherty, who pointed out that roughly half of the people in Montana’s hunt or fish and that he believed Obama would more strongly represent hunters, anglers and gun owners than Hillary Clinton.

http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/motnana_conservationis ts_defend_obama_on_hunting_gun_issues/C41/L41/

Anti-hunters
Anti-hunters have the same mentality as the environmentalists ,who in their desire to protect the forests,cause them to burn because of the thick underbrush and no back-burning. Lightning strikes can cause devastation.

If hunters stopped hunting,the herds would multiply so fast there would not be enough food for them to survive. Many families survive during the winters because of a supply venison,etc.

This is just another part of the liberal agenda to own us. Registering guns is the first step in the ultimate plan. Firearms confiscation. When that time comes,there will be he!l to pay.

Good hunting, Doug
Antelope jerky is GREAT! You might consider preparing some of your kill that way.

Unfortunately for the wildlife, people just don't hunt for sport or subsistence like they did when I was a kid in WY. The last game census I am aware of gave a count of Pronghorn Antelope at 7+ million animals, deer at 4+ million and Elk at 1.7 million. This is in a state with barely 400,000 people. If each were successful hunters every season, the wild game herds would still be grossly over populating the range and habitat.

The farmers and ranchers beg people to come shoot deer, especially. Since there isn't much hunting pressure, fields and haystacks are completely destroyed by herds of deer, some of whom never venture out into their traditional habitat. Why should they, livin' is easy, down on the farm, until winter comes. Then nature reduces the overpopulation her way, and these do-gooder Humane types would be horrified at the ten's of thousands of animals who aren't healthy or have enough forage to make it through the bitter cold winters.

Where we have removed the natural predators, we must stand in their place, although I always prefer kneeling or prone supported.

Emotionalism run amok
Some of you libs are a little bizarre in your thinking. Comparing a hunter to one who kills for cruelty (the idiot in Australia) is an invalid comparison.

What is it to you if someone wants to hunt? Nobody is forcing you to do it. I really do think it is the fact that hunters own guns--that is the real rub.

In Illinois, the deer's natural enemies have been eliminated. Without hunters, there would be more disease among the animal population. Also, we see numerous deer killed by motorists (a serious hazard) every year. It would be much worse without the deer population being brought under control by hunters.

I know of no hunters who kill for "fun." They kill the deer to feed their familie, or they donate the food to charities who distribute it to the needy.

I am not a hunter, but I fully support those who do. They do us (and the surviving deer population) a huge favor.

You really need to quit being so judgmental and intolerant of those who do not believe exactly as you do.

KKK Supports McCain
And every Con candidate.

So? Any connection there? Is this fair? Is every Con a KKK member or lover? Maybe... I'm just asking, ya know.

Sorry, had to play the Con "logic" game.

Taft
Just curious, what is your stance on abortion?

If you think that video of the wolf shooting is cruelty, how about viewing a video of an abortion of a human fetus.

More emotionalism
inthemajority, you are being overly emotional. You posted a complete nonsequiter!

Obama has a serious issue with guns, and the American people have a right to know about it. Because of Chicago liberals like him, Illinois has some of the worst restrictive gun laws in the nation. Liberals like him also get real sqeemish when it comes to holding criminals accountable when they use guns in crimes as well. They have some Pollyanna belief that if they just get rid of everyone's guns, all will be well. Pathetic!

inthemajority 10:20pm
Every Socialist/Communist supports Obama and every Lib candidate.

So? Any connection there? Is this fair? Is every Lib a Socialist/Communist or lover? Maybe... I'm just asking, ya know.

Sorry, had to play the Lib "logic" game.

inthemajority
So KKK supports McCain. Are you sure? Is it because he sat in the Senate for over two decades with that old Klegel Robert Byrd? A KKK leader of old.

inthemajority 10:20pm
Every Child Molester Supports Obama and every Lib cadidate.

So? Any connection there? Is this fair? Is every Lib a Child Molester? Maybe... I'm just asking, ya know.

Sorry, had to play the Lib "logic" game.

I don't know about
you, Andrew, and others who talk about cruelty. I don't hunt. Don't own a gun, but totally support the right to hunt, to own any sort of gun, maybe short of stinger missles, but with Obama on the horizon, am thinking about joining the NRA. Do you know why? Cause Obama doesn't care about hunting one way or the other. But he does care about a populace owning guns. The first thing a dictator does is ban and confiscate guns. Its what Hitler did. ITS NOT VERY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT.

inthemajority 10:20pm
Most Convicted Felons Support Obama and every Lib candidate.

So? Any connection there? Is this fair? Is every Lib a Convicted Felon? Maybe... I'm just asking, ya know.

Sorry, had to play the Lib "logic" game.

GILES RIGHT ON ! MCCAIN-PALIN!
OBAMA,IS NOT FOR OUR GUN RIGHTS OR HUNTING RIGHTS,HE IS A RADICAL LIBERAL UN-AMERICAN!SMELL THE COFFEE FOLKS AND DONT DRINK THE OBAMA KOOL-AID!

There are more commies in the US
than KKK. Where has any one here seen any KKK rallies, KKK signs for any politicians, KKK anything?

What does the KKK have to do with this election?

The questions is who is the more qualified candidate for pres. of the US and the answer is John McCain because the pres.' biggest responsibility is not telling people what to eat or drive (HamNation:Obama on your shoulder) but to be commander in chief, which Obama will NEVER be qualified for.

He is a radical, black theologist, Hamas-suppoted fraud.

inthemajority 10:20pm
Every Anti-gun Group in America Supports Obama and every Lib candidate.

So? Any connection there? Is this fair? Is every Lib Anti-gun? Maybe... I'm just asking, ya know.

Sorry, had to play the Lib "logic" game.

BTW "inthemajority", if you want to start an open rebellion, continue with your support of Obama. Please continue with your support of gun confiscation.

But check the surveys taken of active duty military personnel. 94% of them will support the gun owners if gun confiscation is enacted by the Federal Government.

Rennny reply # 2
You are on target. But what I don't get is that there are so many who think that Obama is some wonderful, altruistic reformer for our benefit. THEY DON'T GET IT. Obama is setting us up for tyranny. I once thought it would take him a few years. I am beginning to think it will not take that long. He is doing everything so like what Hitler did in the 30's it is scary. I want to scream. Why don't people see it? I am not a radical conservative. But I have talked with others - all sorts of professionals, etc., who see the handwriting on the walls and agree with me. He is a LIAR of teutonic proportions. And what the populace has come to is believing as Hitler said they would. Tell a lie often enough, and the bigger it is, they will believe it. It seems Americans are believing it. And they believe it to their doom. To the doom of all of us.

Hey Giles,
I'll just bet you're one of the conservatives who yell out "Kill him!!" (referring to Obama) during Palin's and McCain's rally speeches.

Good going.

I am tired
of ranting. If people want their father to tell them how to live, they will elect Obama. If they want to continue to be able to make some real decisions about their lives, to be able to speak their minds, to be able to write on these blogs, elect McCain/Palin. McCain IS NOT PERFECT. No politician at the national level is perfect. NOT ONE. They are ALL tainted: as ee cummings wrote: "a politician is an arse upon which everyone has sat except a man." Still, we only have human beings as leaders. Humans with faults. And folks, that's exactly what the founding fathers knew and set up a system of checks and balances. But if the people don't want to continue with that, they can always opt out - and give up the experiment in self government. Obama does not believe in self government.

true-independent 11:02pm
I'll just bet you're one of the Liberals who destroy McCain/Palin signs and vandalize automobiles which have McCain/Palin bumper stickers.

Good going.

You are helping to start the Revolution.


"When men sow the wind it is rational to expect that they will reap the whirlwind.”

Frederick Douglass


Hey, Gray
Sorry, I don't vandalize automobiles or political signs. I leave that up to people like yourself.

Obviously, you are one of the conservative rabble that Sarah rouses.

See that photo next to the column?
You guys have a great poster girl.

Good going.

Obama's Personal Security Force
Obama's National Security Force

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
Barack Obama Speech July 2, 2008 Colorado Springs CO
------------------------------------------------

If I could get each of you to think just 30 seconds about this.

Barack Obama said: 'civilian national security force'.

Civilian - Would MOT include military or other Law Enforcement agencies.
National - Would NOT recognize State Boundaries.
Security - Security for what?
Force - This word usually denotes power and authority.

Why does Barack Obama want a Civilian Security Force?
1) Just as powerful as the Military.
2) Just as strong as the Military.
3) Just as well funded as the Military.

What will Barack Obama have this 'Civilian National Security Force' do?

Help in hurricanes or other disasters? - we already have the state National guard.

Some have said 'The National Guard is in Iraq and Afghanistan' but Barack Obama plans to have them home less than halfway through the Obama administration.

If America ignores this threat of an Obama personal 'Security Force' - I believe America is doomed.

What is the Obama 'Hope'?

I have asked for months for an Obama follower to explain exactly what the Obama 'Hope' is.

None seem to know, some have responded with different forms of 'Bush Derangement Syndrome'.

Many responses seem to revolve around the fact that Barack Obama has a 'Messiah' complex - that he will heal the planet or that he will bring light to a world of darkness.

Barack Obama himself has made such claims:

"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.

“It is absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” Barack Obama

Obama lied - Babies died
Babies Crying in Terror
The 'Born Alive' baby who has known the closest contact with another human any human can experience - the baby has been inside another human for months.

The baby has kicked, stretched and some even suck their thumbs. Every need has been met by its human host - shelter, nourishment and safety.

Suddenly one day the baby is attacked with chemicals and poisons.

The baby enters a world bent on death and destruction towards its life.

The baby has never seen a butterfly, puppy, pretty colors or things all babies enjoy or had any human say I love you.

The baby enters the world in excruciating pain and the best trained Medical experts in the world refuse the baby any aid - in a hospital - where all facilities are available and the Doctors have sworn to protect all human life - except his.

The baby is thrown on a cold table and left to die in some hidden place.

The baby struggles to breathe because a human is born with the human will to survive. The baby cries in terror and sobs for help - that never comes - no one cares.

The innocent baby tries to live with every breath and dies alone, abandoned like a used kleenex, never having experienced anything but pain, rejection and hatred.

When the baby finally dies a death of torture and the ultimate rejection any human can receive, it is such a worthless human it doesn't even have a 'Death Certificate' issued that it ever existed.

For a few minutes, hours or days, that baby WAS an American Citizen, that should have received all of the 'Rights and Protections' under law, that any other American Citizen should have.

Michelle and Barack Obama and most Democrats, have done everything humanly possible, to make sure this baby does NOT even receive any pain medication.




true-independent 11:25pm
Sorry, I don't do the vandalizing routine that Liberals, like yourself, do. I believe in the 1st Amendment.

BTW, I do like you calling me "rabble". The British did the same thing in 1775. My Great-Great...Grandfather served at Kings Mountain and Cowpens. He and his comrades were called "rabble" by the British "Elites".

Thanks for making my day!

Retired Geek
Have you seen the videos of Obama's Army?

Rowly

Do you have a link?

Retired Geek:
This is why I have been ranting. People don't seem to get it about Obama's totalitarian plans. He has put all the information out there for us to see. Its not like we are making this stuff up. Why people don't see it I don't understand. Well, many do, it just seems not a majority right now if you listen to the polls. And that says a lot about the dupability of the American people. I keep harking back to the popularity of Hitler in the 30's. They had no idea about his plans. They only knew he was going to bring CHANGE to post WWI Germany. Little did they know. Obama has probably telegraphed more about his draconian plans than Hitler did, but people still don't see it. You do, and many others do. I just wish that McCain and Palin would go for the jugular and nail these things that are out there for all to see. But McCain seems to be wussing out.

true-independent 11:26pm
"You guys have a great poster girl. Good going."

Why don't I just say that I saw your mother yesterday? She was running around outside barking at cars.

Are you a 3rd grader? Did you graduate from elementary school?

True-independent, I admire your intelligence. How did you get this far on it?

Dilemma
Do we vote for a candidate that continues the slow decline towards European style socialism, or the narcissistic, radical, Muslim, fascist, Marxist Messiah?

$700 billion dollars to bail out the very people that are responsible for the current economic mess was a wake-up call.

I'm beginning to think that an Obama presidency is EXACTLY what we need.

Obama will make Jimmy Carter look like Reagan, and then the American left will not have a leg to stand on (although they will attempt to shift the blame). I sincerely hope that they will come to their senses.

Serpentdove et al

Never grow weary in telling the truth!

"Let us be sure that those who come after will say of us in our time, that in our time we did everything that could be done. We finished the race; we kept them free; we kept the faith."
Ronald Reagan

"When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat."
Ronald Reagan

Rationalizations for Obama

The complex process the human mind uses to arrive at decision-making has been the topic of many volumes.

One consensus that is generally held is the human mind can justify any decision and any action that it takes.

Rationalization is the mortal enemy of facts, logic and reason.

Rationalization is in ‘simple’ terms, a defense mechanism that attempts to explain bad decisions or behavior in a rational logical manner.

Rationalizing that a vote for any candidate that cannot win is not a vote for Obama gives us a prime example of rationalization.

Rationalizing that a ‘symbolic’ vote will teach the major parties a lesson contrasts the reality of their premise that the major parties ‘do not know what they are doing’ and ‘haven’t learned from the past’.

Teaching 'Politicians' a lesson is oxymoronic at best - Obama-Followers will vote for Obama regardless.

Third party votes at this time in history, is simply a 'proxy' vote for Obama that gives one a feeling of 'superior' Patriotism, I guess.

Rationalizing that ones closely held principles trump the safety and wellfare of America and its citizens is little different from those who want America destroyed.

Those who say we need to return to the Constitution that many Americans have left or attempted to destroy will be best accomplished by giving Obama and Liberals their desires and wishes to control America, is akin to giving children matches and gasoline.

The children will surely learn a lesson if survival succeeds in overcoming the odds.

Rationalizers - What exactly is your 'Recovery Plan'?

Rationalizing that an Obama presidency will be good for America in the long run defies facts, logic and reason.

Blessing in disguise
The financial support of the hunters & fishermen through the purchasing of licenses is what sustains the wildlife and keeps it in balance. Overpopulations leads to disease and starvation in the herd...now that is a cruel death. Something has to die for something else to live. We didn't make the rules...this sad consequence is a direct result of sin.

Game/Meat is food and it is safer and healthier than what you can buy at the store...not to mention that it probably had a much longer and happier life than what you bought at the store. I don't hunt, but my husband does. He once said to me that you do feel some sadness over the loss of life, but if you don't, you're a murderer. Just as with every human population, some hunters are evil, but the vast majority respect and want to protect the wildlife and natural resources for their children.

Retired Greek - Your right. All of this needs to be very carefully considered.

Revolution
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Thomas Jefferson

Government
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

Thomas Jefferson

Poor Giles of the World , let there be l
What Doug Giles of this world and his ardent followers confuse is bearing arms with the hunting for fun. Yeh there are quite a lot of them ,who simply hunts for an expedition. Human society has evolved a lot to collect the meat in better ways if they need to.

The right to bear firearms is precisely a defense against odds of life which are too many and too often , though crime rate has fallen a whole lot . And one should fully support it to save oneself or their family and loved ones . And that is where NRA has a role to play. Gun makes society safer not otherwise.

Killing a beautiful living creature for fun is a despicable act, and it takes a weird brain to see and enjoy the animal gradually slumbers into death , who was never your enemy

If you really like to fight them for fun do it empty handed. I would love to see how your ball vanishes through the window. Let it surprise you what Jesus had written for them and not for you.

Let there be light for poor Giles
What Doug Giles of this world and his ardent followers confuse is bearing arms with the hunting for fun. Yeh there are quite a lot of them ,who simply hunts for an expedition. Human society has evolved a lot to collect the meat in better ways if they need to.

The right to bear firearms is precisely a defense against odds of life which are too many and too often , though crime rate has fallen a whole lot . And one should fully support it to save oneself or their family and loved ones . And that is where NRA has a role to play. Gun makes society safer not otherwise.

Killing a beautiful living creature for fun is a despicable act, and it takes a weird brain to see and enjoy the animal gradually slumbers into death , who was never your enemy
If you really like to fight them for fun do it empty handed I would love to see how your ball vanishes through the window. Let it surprise you what Jesus has written for them and not for you.

The bigger picture with Doug
Giles commentary is not just about sport hunting. That's how everything starts with the liberal (socialist) mindset - it's called incrementalism.

"Let's ban sport hunting, it's just so bad." After a small majority gets their way with that, then it's "well hunting in general is just not right, it needs to be outlawed too." A little while after that it's "well since all those big awful rifles were used for hunting anyway, and we progressives have outlawed that, let's just outlaw the guns too."

The argument might be made that maybe they can outlaw guns, but they can't take the ones I already own. Well, they sure can outlaw ammunition sales. Does anyone else get very concerned about these liberal, socialist, progressives and their agenda?

If we end up with BHO as president and the Middle of the Road, Can't Take a Stand For Anything Independents allow the dems to get a filibuster majority in Congress, watch out America - you ain't seen nothing yet. We have a dictatorship brewing right before our eyes and I just can't believe that half of this country is falling for it.

McCain's anti mormon bigotry killed him
Had McCain chosen Mitt Romney a financial genius, he would be ahead on the economy. But he let the anti-mormon redneck, Mike Hickabee intimidate out of selecting Mitt.

But, he still had Pawlenty. So what did McAmnesty do? Instead, he chose a bimbo under investigation for ethics violations,who is now going to court to ask supreme court jusices to stop elected legislators from doing their job. Judicial activism, anyone?

Then McAmnesty lobbies and votes for a 800 billion big government pork package for Wall Street, and tells us he hates earmarks.

What a liar!

This rino is done-stick a fork in him!

Bob Barr is the only principled, trustworthy, and consistent conservative on the ballot.

Dottie doesn't know....
Dottie writes: "I know of no hunters who kill for "fun."
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Here ya go, Ms. Dottie:

Anchorage Daily News
Caribou slaughter leaves calves stranded

Published: July 29th, 2008

"Hunters from the villages of Point Hope and Kivalina are suspected of massacring more than 100 caribou and leaving at least half of them to rot on the tundra earlier this month, according to Alaska Wildlife Troopers.

Calves were left stranded, some still trying to suckle milk from the decomposing cows two weeks after the slaughter."


There are photos at the Anchorage Daily News of a caribou calf as it still tries to nurse from its decomposing mother two weeks after she was shot by hunters! SICK! And another little calf stands by its dead mother. Did I mention SICK?!

http://www.adn.com/wildlife/story/478088.html



Spot On, Dan!
McLiar (lied about Romney wanting Iraqi withdrawal timetables) is sinking fast, failing early tests of presidential judgment, first by NOT SELECTING AN ECONOMIC EXPERT (Romney) AS HIS RUNNING MATE DURING AN ELECTION YEAR OF ECONOMIC CRISIS. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB, DUMBER!!!!!

THEN HE CHOOSES ICE-COLD POLAR QUEEN, the "lady" who supports barbaric methods of killing wildlife and the "lady" who looked down and smiled during her debate with Biden WHILE HE BROKE UP RECALLING THE TRAGEDY of loosing his wife and daughter in a car crash, and wondering if his sons would survive and live! This observation was made by the FOXNEWS' body language expert on O'Reily tonight. Can you say COLD???!!! Yeah, that Palin is a real SWELL GAL. BARF!!!!!

Most people I know hunt
for food. In states like OH, IND, and KY the areas are overrun by deer. There are so many that the quota goes up every year. IN fact so many deer are abound that they live in cities and suburbs where you can't shoot them. All of the natural predators were killed off long ago.
The next you get your windshield hit by a deer and you wreck your car you will see the need for hunting them. I saw this happening every day I drove to work on an interstate where the deer jumped out in front of cars and both the deer and the driver were killed or injured.

I'll try to ruminate on the lib spew
Will I practice with my 68 lb. heat tempered bamboo longbow. The song of the grey goose on a clothyard shaft! THAT'S music.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

The bottom feeders are out!
Andrew and Taft
Hunting removes the sick and injured animals, controls population and feeds the hungry
Get a life you wacko's

Our Founding Fathers said:
The strongest reason for the people to retain the Right To Keep And Bear Arms is
As a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in Government
Thomas Jefferson

Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance, they are the people's liberty's teeth.
George Washington

It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.
Benjamin Franklin

I do not trust obama on the 2nd
amendment..he lies through his teeth.
he said he supported the Heller case and added a "but things are different in the cities" .There ain't no "BUT"
in the 2nd amendment buddy.
While in the Ill legislature he tried to OUTLAW every handgun in Ill, that's his stance..anything else is a lie, once a gun banner always a gun banner.

Guns aren't about hunting and WE all know it, it is about protecting our liberty from the likes of barry obama and his commie friends.

I eat meat...
... but I'll say again, anyone who kills animals for fun is pretty sick. There is a big difference between eating meat that is farmed (humanely I hope) for meat production and shooting an animal in cold blood just for the thrill of it. Don't give me this nonsense about herd numbers - there are plenty of ways to control herd numbers outside of allowing "sport" hunting, and do hunters really shoot the old or the ill animals? Do they hell, does a crusty old weather-beaten stag make a good trophy? Does an ill animal make good (or sensible) eating? Of course not. Hunters want the best animal in the herd - the stag in the prime of his life. Very, very few Americans can use the subsistence argument, that they are killing to feed themselves and their families.
Take Sarah Palin. She makes what, $250k a year? So what was she hunting for? She's the governor of Alaska, she has no need to kill an animal to put food on her family's dinner table and she certainly has choices about how she uses her free time. Using it to kill a wild animal in cold blood strikes me as a decision by someone who has serious mental issues. Because there's no other reason for it. It's killing for fun, for a thrill, to satisfy a blood lust. That's all it is.

I'm sure they hate Sarah
because she has the gall to put human life above animal life.

Andrew
Do you differentiate between eating the venison and simple trophy hunting, or do you simply generalize and say "all hunters are evil?"

Contraception?
Contraception??? CONTRACEPTION!!!???

What are they going to do, go to the corner drug store, pick up a couple of boxes from the "family planning" aisle and head out into the woods?

Do YOU want to be the one to tell the male bear he has to get ready before he goes after the female bear?

Seriously, what are they going to do, put that goop in the water supply? (It'd be a handy way to contracept humans, too, don't you think? Especially those bitter, gun-clinging extremists that live in areas where hunting is popular.)

Contraception?

How stupid do you have to be?

Contraception?
Contraception??? CONTRACEPTION!!!???

What are they going to do, go to the corner drug store, pick up a couple of boxes from the "family planning" aisle and head out into the woods?

Do YOU want to be the one to tell the male bear he has to get ready before he goes after the female bear?

Seriously, what are they going to do, put that goop in the water supply? (It'd be a handy way to contracept humans, too, don't you think? Especially those bitter, gun-clinging extremists that live in areas where hunting is popular.)

Contraception?

How stupid do you have to be?

(By the way, if this is the third time this appears, forgive me. My computer's acting up.)

It's All Camouflage
The crusade to end hunting has little to do with environmentalism and every thing to with disarming the American citizen. The hidden puppet masters who fund the Citizen Disarmament initiatives employ the specter of blasted Bambi’s as simply another propaganda tool to further their agenda. The “Nature Nut” palliative is applied to bring the demographic of hand wringing eco-whiners to the gun confiscation banner.

Shelby
you should still be posting on daily kos. For all your attempts at pulling the heart strings detailing the necessary culling of wolves, and Bidens pathetic attempt to snivel for votes, I bet universally protecting the human fetus has never occurred to you. Go ahead and say it, but I'm evangelical, that means less than spit in this argument if your a hypocrite!

Andrew shelbyand Taft ...you're fools
When the idiots lined up for brains you voted present but forgot to get in line.

First, contraception puts more hormones into the meat and can cause or antagonize latent cancer in animals and humans
Second when your golden boy taxes your family to death and you can't afford your "organic" packaged meat don't go looking to a hunter to help because they'll be taking care of their families.
Hunters form a group called hunters for the hungry and provide a bunch of "organic" meat for food pantrys all over the country
Try talking and becoming informed before you spout off and look the fool that you are.

Guilt makes a person do strange things!
Some women, especially, are supporters of not killing wild game for food. They call "Foul!" at someone reprimanding their wayward dog, horse, or whatever. Some men do the same. But, who else has wondered how many of these people are really simply sublimating for their own choices-- to abort their own children. It's easy to blame others for what they deem "injury" to an animal, but it was "OK" for them to end the life of their own child! Or was it? Guilt can make a person do strange things!

Shelby
I don't consider those people referred to in that article as "hunters". They are sick individuals who have no respect for wildlife. A true hunter respects the outdoors and the animals he hunts. A true hunter will make every effort to make sure that the animal is killed with one shot, and not leave a wounded animal. A true hunter uses as much of the animal as possible, the meat, hide, and edible organs. A true hunter will abide by state game limits and not exceed those limits. Those cretins referred to in that article were not true hunters.

As far as Hussein goes, I agree that he represents a grave threat to our Second Amendment rights. he has made it clear in the past that he favors gun bans and was in favor of the D.C. gun law until after the Supreme Court struck it down, at which time he said he had always said he supported gun rights. He is a hypocrite who will say anything to get elected and, if he does get elected, will turn this country into a police state, as he is trying to do in Missouri with the "Truth Squads".

Is there a Gulag for libs in Kentucky?
I know a LOT of folks from that great state as well as eastern TN and MS. Most of them would horsewhip any geek who trashed talked hunting and hunters as some here have.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!! Bite some!

andrew
I HAVE TO PRAY FOR POOR WEAK MINDED PEOPLE LIKE YOU.I SURE HOPE SOME GOOD WOMAN WHO LIKES TO HUNT AND FISH SHOWS YOU HOW TO BE A MAN.
GOD LOVES YOU

So, Andrew,
You admitted that you are a hypocrite. You go on and on about the evils of "sport hunting", then state that you do, indeed, eat meat. That means you don't even have the guts to do your own killing, you pay others to kill for you. You, sir, are a total wuss and probably wouldn't even be able to get anything in the field. I happen to enjoy venison, wild turkey, wild hog, and small game such as squirrel and rabbit. Makes me hungry just to think about it. Say what you want about hunters, at least we are up front about our sport and the fact that we enjoy taking our own food. You hide behind the grocery store meat counter.

Against Obama
In my book the primary reason for the second amendment is for the people to collectively counter the tyranny of government, then it's personal protection, and finally hunting if necessary.

Y'all miss the point
What libs, progressives and metrosexuals hate about hunting is that people who hunt are pretty much strong, independent, self sufficient and don't need no molly coddling from gubmint. Libs WANT you to be dependent. Once you are dependent you can be controlled.

Andrew: Eating meat
Great posts, Andrew! I have been a vegetarian for almost 9 years. I would maybe go back to eating animals (it is a habit that can be broken, but it takes a while to loose one's meat tooth) if I knew for sure that they had been raised and killed humanely. I would NEVER eat anything that died an agonizing death due to a botched slaughter line kill or a hunter-in-training who caused the slow and brutal death of his targets.

If I were to eat animals, I would ensure I purchased all animal products from a humane source.

http://www.certifiedhumane.org is one such source.

Edna, do some reading wacko!

Edna Eagle
Location: NC
Reply # 22
Date: Oct 7, 2008 - 6:53 AM EST The bottom feeders are out!
Andrew and Taft
Hunting removes the sick and injured animals, controls population and feeds the hungry
Get a life you wacko's
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This article about hunting was written by the same guy who wrote your beloved barracuda's convention debut speech. READ IT AND LEARN!

http://www.matthewscully.com/sportsman_politics.htm

Great article
First of all, I want to say Doug Giles book, Bulldog Attitude is awesome! We read it for our book club, after stumbling upon it. Our group is known as the "neighborhood bullies." When we saw this book we decided to read it and now we wear the lable given to us by some extremely left wing NEA types, proudly!
Anyway..coming from a family of hunters, growing up with guns in our home and not being a hunter myself, I worry about the left's agenda to disarm our society.
The easiest way to take over a society is take their guns away. If we can't defend ourselves we are vulnerable.
Be afraid of the left, be very afraid!

Taft and Andrew, move to
a place where whitetail deer are more numerous than people. Have one jump out in front of your car as you're driving around, hit it, and get injured or killed in the resulting crash. Or have that happen to a friend or loved one. Then tell me how bad hunting is.

Watch a bunch of deer or wild game birds starve to death in winter, dying by inches over the course of weeks rather than the quick and relatively painless death of being shot with an arrow or bullet. Yeah, that's humane.

Then look at how much time, money, and energy hunters and fishers commit to preserving wildlife habitat and fighting pollution. Compare that to the lack of commitment made by libtards who don't hunt or fish. Then tell me how bad hunters and fishers are for wildlife and the environment.

I hope some wild animals invade your comfy little neighborhoods and kill your dogs or bite your kids. Then we'll see how much you whine about wildlife control via hunting.

You're both a couple of ignorant jerks. Now STFU.

Hey, Andrew
Who do you know personally that "kills animals for fun"?

Why don't you report him to the police? Most communities do have standards against animal cruelty, you know, so such people can be brought up on charges! The DOW also frowns upon such wastage and can revoke hunting privileges.

Waiting...

And expecting you'll be eating tofurkey this Thanksgiving.

Be a man? A wuss?
So what is sport hunting? Killing a defenceless animal from 100 yards with a high powered rifle and telescopic sight? Funny definition of being a man. Waiting in a camoflaged tree seat, having baited the area below, and waiting for an animal to walk into the crosshairs... yeah, a real man's pastime. Now, doing it with your bare hands, that I would be impressed with.

There are many meat eaters who abhore sport hunting. I'm not by any stretch the only one.

Anti-Hunters & Vegitarians
No one is forcing anyone to hunt.If you don't like it,don't do it. It's just that simple. Just leave the rest of us alone.

For all you vegetarians who won't eat meat because it means killing an animal. Do you wear leather belts, shoes, boots or use a leather purse or wallet?

I rest my case.

Is this clown for real?
"...radical band of anti-American spirit lunatics...The Humane Society."

WTF???

"The Humane Society is not a placid gaggle of folks who are just about rescuing flea-bitten puppies and kitties and then cutting their balls off."

Just so you know, spaying/neutering prevents unwanted litters of kittens and puppies. Leave it to show how the far-right religious nuts feels about birth control: they don't even want it for your pets!

From the HSUS web site:
"HSUS seeks a humane and sustainable world for all animals—a world that will also benefit people. We are America's mainstream force against cruelty, exploitation and neglect, as well as the most trusted voice extolling the human-animal bond."

Yeah, this really sounds comparable to the Black Panthers. As Bugs Bunny says in the cartons, "what a maroon."

AliveInHim / Reynaldo
Firstly, "AliveInHim", which I assume is some kind of reference to Jesus, that well known sport hunter. Had an irony bypass have we? What animals would Jesus hunt for sport? Anyone who hunts for pleasure, in my opinion, kills animals for fun. That includes the current v-p candidate for the Republican party. Are you seriously telling me that she was controlling herd numbers? Or that she needed the meat for the Palin family dinner table? Of course she wasn't - she was doing it for fun. There is a big difference between someone who is paid to control herd numbers as a job and someone who does it in their free time, in the same way that I go out to play golf. "Sport" hunting, hunting for pleasure, is abhorrent. It is killing animals for fun.
And Reynaldo, that does not mean that I do not understand the need to control herd numbers and to control disease. But there we are talking about scientific culling rather than doing it for pleasure. There is a big difference. Pay people to do it, and by all means do it using guns. It's people like Palin who do it for the thrill of it that sicken me. Your example of a deer being hit by a car is meaningless, unless you are advocating the slaughter of all deer - it's an occupational hazard when driving in the US. Not amount of hunting will change that - unless, indeed, you are suggesting that we kill them all. As I said, controlling wild animal numbers is one thing - hunting for "sport" is a completely different kettle of fish.

And Reynaldo
Animals starving to death over winter has been happening since the dawn of time. Since millions of years before man arrived on the scene to help them meet their maker. It's called nature. It's what happens. Dead animals feed other animals, so that at least some survive until the spring. Haven't you ever watched a nature documentary? One could easily counter argue that by shooting them, taking them home and eating them yourself you are only reducing the chances of another animal surviving the winter.

So Andrew
Thought you'd like to consider this:

Sport hunting often brings in needed revenue for the African countries who promote it, or helps keep down the domestic populations of pests that decimate livestock. Hence the wolf shoots. It's that, or ranchers losing their capital. Upon what moral basis should they throw money-their livelihoods-out the window so your sensibilities aren't offended? Who cares about your sensibilities? And further, most wild animals can be eaten to some extent. I've heard mountain lion is tasty.

If you don't want to hunt, nobody is forcing you to. How dare you, though, presume to judge and support those who would take away the rights of those of us who do, whatever the reason?

Andrew
Beware going into Bible discussions with me. I'll clean your clock, every time.

And yes, hunters in the aggregate DO keep populations down PRECISELY so the possibility of winter starvation is minimized. Millions of years, my foot. Nature documentaries my eye. Do you think it more merciful to starve an animal than to shoot it and eat it yourself? It simply is not true that shooting one reduces the chances of another animal surviving-it actually increases those chances. That's the point of harvesting.

Wolves ARE pests. They are also dangerous, despite those stupid paintings that camouflage them in winter trees. Our state is thinking to reintroduce them, for no good reason other than photo ops for tree-huggers and against the best interests of ranchers.

AliveInHim
I see you failed to respond to my question about the kind of animals Jesus would hunt for fun... not surprised. I expect he can ask you himself at the Pearly Gates... so to your question. There are ways to conserve nature without resorting to saving it just so that some tourist can shoot it. I don't buy that argument - the people that benefit are not ordinary Africans, it's big private game reserve owners. These animals, what's left of them anyway, are this planet's inheritance - not a commodity to be saved so that trophy hunters can kill them in cold blood. As I said in my reply to Reynaldo, which you obviously chose to ignore, I have no problem with wild herds being controlled and I understand why they need to be controlled. I have no problem with wolf numbers being controlled, indeed any large wild animal, predatory or otherwise. I am also enough of a realist to know that hunting will not be banned, at least not until we run out of wild animals to hunt. But I think you exaggerate - I have no idea how much livestock wolves, bears or mountain lions take each year, but "decimate"? You know that means one in ten, don't you? So, how many head of cattle in the US? I have no idea, but I do know that ten percent of it is a hell of a lot of red meat.

We quite rightly jail people who abuse domestic animals. If you own a dog, you can't just kill it for the thrill of it, at least not legally. But you can legally kill wild animals for the thrill of it - in fact, you applaud people who do. Where is the sense in that? And what would Jesus make of that anomaly?

AliveInHim
Go for it on Jesus... I think you should be worshipping Athena though. Oh boy, you're a young earth creationist, aren't you? "Millions of years, my foot"? Are you seriously suggesting that animals have not starved over winter for millions of years? What, 4,000 years is it, not including dinosaurs? Animals starve sometimes in winter - fact of life. Taking them home for your already well stocked pot does deprive someother animal from eating and possibly surviving winter. Besides, say you come across an animal while out hunting in winter. You kill it, take it home and eat it. But how did you know it wouldn't survive the winter? You don't. You have no way of telling. So you're just taking pot luck and saying, well, killing it was justified because it wouldn't have survived the winter. The exact same argument could be used about the summer - well, it hasn't rained for a fortnight, so they must all be dying of thirst, so I'll go out and slaughter them for their own good. It's a nonsensical argument, unless you can prove beyond doubt that an animal is in its last throes of life. You're talking garbage.

Andrew
There is no such thing as a "humane" slaughterhouse. compaired to hunters, they are the inhumane ones.

Obama anti-gun and hunting?
Oh NO! What will the governor and junior senator from Montana say when they find out that B Hussein's buddies think that hunting and guns should be banned? We've been told that he wouldn't take our guns, and they may be right. As my neighbor said the other day, "no Obama won't take the guns, he'll have the UN do it."

Someone who's anti-hunting had best be a vegan, and then have no conscience about the screams of the carrots ripped alive from the earth, the poor potato torn shreaking from it's mound, the ear of corn ripped from its stalk. Talk about cruelty!


eastlake joe
Hard to argue that there is such a thing as a humane slaughterhouse, I admit. But neither is it feasible to sustain society's demand for meat in any other way. The truth is, what is inhumane is our demand for meat. If we ate a little less, what we do eat could be reared and slaughtered in a more humane way. My wife and I decided a while ago that we would only buy meat direct from organic farmers who could prove that the animals were humanely reared, lived outside in fields and were slaughtered humanely. It means we eat less meat, because it is more expensive. But we feel it is worth it. Tastes much better too.

Too bad...
...they don't feel the same way about human babies.

Andrew
Jesus says not a word about sport hunting. Neither of us knows what He'd say to it. I daresay, though, that He wouldn't hesitate to shoot any animal to save a man's life.

And if evolution is true, then what is your gripe?

If the sport-shooting "victims" can't adapt to being hunted by those who are more "fit" to survive by learning to hide better, or mutate into some other creature who CAN hide better, screw 'em.

Right?

AliveInHim
Your arguments have taken a sound beating. I'd quit if I were you. But just to indulge you, and educate you, evolution takes many thousands of years. Species evolve to survive in their natural habitat (which, funnily enough, doesn't include hunters with guns, telescopic sights etc etc) only through thousands of years of trial and error, genetic mutation and breeding only among those that have adapted to survive. Are you seriously trying to argue that, because I believe in evolution, I believe that animals that haven't adapted yet deserve their fate at the hands of sports hunters? Are you seriously suggesting that guns are part of any natural environment? Mate, you've lost this argument in spectacular fashion, and this point about evolution, which is a very generous description, merely proves your own ignorance rather than higlighting any flaw in my argument. Good night and good luck.

Obama is a major threat to America
I have hunted, and I eat what I kill. but the Second Amendment is not about hunting, or target shooting or gun collecting. The Second Amendment is about defending ourselves and our loved ones, against criminals or against a repressive government. Our forefathers had plenty of experience with the latter. And if Obama becomes President (God forbid!), we will have to defend ourselves against an oppressive government and the possible use of U.N. troops who will be called in, under Obama's beloved international law, to take our guns away. I am 72 years old, and if I have to die before my time, I will not hesitate to give my life in the defense of the freedoms that our founding Fathers affirmed. God help America if this Marxist wannabe becomes President!

Andrew
You didn't respond to my question about the "sport" animals being fit to survive if they couldn't adapt to outwit their hunters. Evolution IS predicated upon the survival of the fittest, after all. RIGHT? What difference between starving or being hunted when both result in death, in the grand evolutionary scheme of things?

I'd say YOU lost this one, mate.

AliveInHim
I admit you've lost me a bit here. What on earth are you talking about?

I suppose the Indians were "humane"?
Ever SEE a buffalo jump? That's where the entire tribe drove whole herds off a cliff to have their legs and backs broken in the fall. Then they'd cut out only the best cuts of meat and take the hides from STILL KICKING animals!

The image of a brave riding INTO a herd of 2,000+ pound animals and shoot arrows at them is a Hollyweird MYTH of epic proportions.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

CAN WE TALK?
The murderous illigitimate druggies of DC (and other Third Worldish "hoods" around the US) are the progeny of a multigenerational assemblege of welfare and social policies that could hardly be more perfect for breeding irresponsible, welfare dependent and violence prone individuals. A cartel of leftist, mosty Democrat media maggots, Marxist,Socialist theoreticians, liberal and radically leftist academicians and polititions,along with low life quasithug "community leaders" demanded and attained the easy welfare and liberal criminal justice policies that produced the catastrophie now on our doorstep. To add insult to injury, all of this mischief has been funded by tax burdens, largely on the backs of law abiding white, middle class working people, now under attack for wanting to exercise their 2nd Ammendment rights responsibly while threatening no one. But hold on, that very same putrid alliance of self justifying phonies and eletist creeps need to have a scapegoat to blame for their disasterous social policies . And that scapegoat is, you guessed it, us, the "simpletons", who "CLING TO THEIR RELIGION AND THEIR GUNS".

WERE THE GRIEVANCES THAT CATALIZED THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION MORE ONEROUS THAN THESE?!!

Baroque Insanse O'Vomit
is the result of his slutty atheist hippie socialist white bread mom having the worst case of jungle fever since Heidi Klum married Seal!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

HSUS, other subversive environmentalists
One of the most dangerous, anti-freedom movements in America are the ultra-rich environmentalists -Sierra Club, et al. They are Socialist/Communist/Marxist in nature and perform no worthwhile services, serving only to control free citizens and rob them of their Constitutional rights.

Such groups are the cause of the devastating wildfires that plagued America during the Summer!

We should be taxing their holdings at 40% and using that tax money to buy property for the use of all citizens.

Pigeonholing Obama
I'd like to say that your paranoid illogical rantings are only preaching to the choir. However, there are many hunters who do not subscribe to your right wing, 2nd amendment first, "all Democrats are secretly commies" philosophy, and they may well be on the fence about this election. A passionate issue like hunting just might be the decisive factor in whether they vote for McCain or Obama. So by making these logical leaps about Obama and McCain based more on stereotypes than fact you are gravely irresponsible in misleading them into thinking that Obama is anti-hunting and in bed with HSUS. You should wake up and realize that Obama has bigger fish to fry (like ending a senseless war and addressing the economic crisis) than to get busy outlawing hunting in America. Please.

They keep linking the RKBA 2 hunting
for a reason!! They know that there are a lot of well financed whacko groups trying to ban all hunting. IF you can convince people AND the courts that the 2nd Amendment is about hunting and THOSE groups succeed then it's an END RUN around the Founders!!! No hunting? No right to own a gun.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

The NEW PETA
I'm a member of the NEW PETA........People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.

By the way Kristine, any idea why Senator Obama asked the leaders of Iraq to not talk to the U.S. about troop draw-downs until after the election November 4th? Would I be cynical to think that perhaps it was an effort on Obama's part to avoid having his major campaign platform issue knocked out from under him, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES?

Mccain anti-mormon?
Dan,

Mccain didn't pick Palin over Romney because Romney's Mormon. Romney is for women's right to have an abortion, which is completely against Mormon values, I know this because my wife and her family is Mormon. Palin shares his views, not just some. Please get your facts straight.
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