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Saturday, August 09, 2008
Doug Giles :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Hunting and Hunters Rock and You Don’t: Six More Reasons
by Doug Giles
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Having covered points ten through seven last week, herewith is the last installment of my two part series on why hunters are some of the greatest people on the planet.

6. Hunting revives the hunter’s primal roots. Just getting out in the wild reconnects me with my original spiritual and physical moorings. When God created Adam and Eve, He made certain that their initial crib didn’t have cable TV or a home association. Yep, God didn’t want His kids’ first experiences to be lame and tame. Adam and Eve were made to be wild, not mild, and were purposely crafted to interface 24/7 with wild beasts. Lucky bastards!

Non-hunter: If you or your kids are screwed up, one of the many reasons could be that you have separated yourself and your brood from what they need, namely regular doses of the irregular wild. Try it. it’s magical. There is something that the undomesticated does to a person that no Lysol-disinfected, five star hotel on South Beach, slow cruise to Nassau, or a 3-day hell trip to Disneyland could provide—and the hunter is stubbornly locked onto this fact. Yes, you can go to Disneyland, and we’ll go to Africa or Texas or Maine or Alaska.

The hunt causes one’s senses to come alive, and as a result they’re taken to a higher level by simply pursuing the prey. Yes, the eyes, ears, nose, feet and hands kick into high gear like they don’t when you’re standing in the snaking stooge line at McDonald’s waiting for their new McCrap sandwich before you return to your office cubicle to inhale the stale, fart-laden, re-circulated office “air.”

5. Hunting takes the funk out of dysfunctional families.

What I’ve seen in 30 plus years out in the hunting fields is this: The family that hunts together stays together. Hunting requires communication between the hunting parties. Most families communicate with each other about as often as Bill has sex with Hillary. Hunting cures this (the communication part, not the Bill and Hillary stuff).

There’s a lot that goes into being a successful hunter, and it demands plenty of quality time spent between the tribe discussing safety, terrain, conservation, the particular animals to be pursued, and choices of weapons, boots, clothes, bullets, bows/arrows . . . you get the point, don’t ‘cha? After all the aforementioned prelim stuff is done with, then the hunt commences, which includes sitting, walking, stalking, and then relaxing around the sacred campfire, where it’s just you guys talking, laughing and anticipating the next day, and—excuse my redundancy—you are all together. The hunter understands this: Family is everything, all else is BS.

4. Hunting provides veggies for the vegans.

I love the fact that the PETA vegans couldn’t eat their gay salad or their edamame burger if it weren’t for the blistering fact that farmers/hunters have to shoot animals so that the vapid vegan can smugly eat his garbanzo bean patty. Earth to PETA: Animals prey on your in-demand, sassy, non-animal grub—and the farmers don’t like it, and they shoot them. Do you need a tissue?

Yes, the “save the animal” dipsticks who don’t eat meat wouldn’t have their holy lettuce if it were not for farmers shooting PETA’s “friends” like the rabbits, deer, wild hogs and other critters that decimate the vegetarians’ victuals. However, I wouldn’t let it bug you now, PETA. Before you eat your salad just smoke another doobie and forget about the fact that for you to have your cute little baby carrot that it entailed a farmer putting the bam to Bambi. Oh, the irony.

3. Hunting provides massive amounts of food for the poor.

Unlike the liberal blowhards who talk about helping the poor, many hunters practically do it by feeding them. The hunter, who generally speaking is a conservative, is suppose to be, according to the Mange Stream Media, a calloused living heart donor. However, the reality is that we provide a massive, benevolent source of high-protein, low-fat food to the poor at our own expense. Put that in your hookah and smoke it, morons.

Here’s the truth, weepy “save the poor” hypocrites: The “evil” group known to you as hunters gives away hundreds of thousands of pounds of the best meat on the planet at their expense to the poorest among us. In the last couple of years alone my buddies and I have paid for the hunting, butchering and processing of conservatively 10,000 pounds of sweet venison for the poor in Africa and at risk kids, Christian ministries, and abused and battered women here in the U.S of A. That’s 10,000 plus pounds of meat just between a few guys in the last few years. How do you, the “loving liberal,” stack up against that? Not very well, I’ll bet.

2. Hunters put their money where their mouth is.

The yarbling libs and PETA are a full of sheeta crowd that would love to make us all believe that they are true stewards of nature and that hunters are Agent Orange to animals and land. However, if the truth can still be told, it’s the hunter who doles out nearly three hundred million bucks a year in special surtaxes on guns, ammo, camo underwear and other outdoor supplies which goes to state conservation programs. The tree humpers don’t pay these taxes, girlfriend, the hunters do. The hunters. The hunters. The hunters.

That’s probably enough 411 for the brainwashed crowd for now on how the hunter is the true conservationist who puts his money where his mouth is. Maybe later I’ll write about how the hunters’ hard earned capital is what saves the swamps, underwrites wildlife research, and has kept many species around the planet from going extinct—not PETA.

1. Hunters are the salt of the earth.

Every group has their jerks, and it’s true that everybody sucks, but as far as I’m concerned, hunters suck less. Matter of fact, I’d say that 95% of the people I have met in the hallowed hunting camp have been upright, pleasant, courteous, grateful, hard working, God- and country-loving, family oriented folks with whom it was my deepest pleasure to be able to share a few days pursuing game.

For more information exposing the lies and propaganda leveled at hunting and hunters, check out Frank Miniter’s book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Hunting.

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PETA is not the main problem
Seriously, the biggest threat to hunters is not PETA but lack of hunters.

Of course PETA is part of the problem, in making it seem down right creepy to hunt. But I would recommend hunters invite their non-hunting friends to go with them when ever the opportunity arises. The younger the better.

The more people hunting, the more hunting will be protected. Deer, birds, whatever.

Hunters
Hunters are real men ,not girly-men.

Doug ~ you has a prodlah
Doug!

WTF is wrong with you?

If your plan catches on, we will have thousands of lefists wandering around out there, shooting at anything that moves.

Are ye daft, Man?

Reason and logic will never affect that group.


OK. OK. Now I Get it! Get the lefties out there, and we can ACCIDENTALLY whack them.

Now I see your plan.

I hear, from extensive reading, that humans are actually 'Long Pig'.

Source? The Caribbe Indians of the Carribean Sea Islands.

Most 'Pork' recipes work just fine. Add some pineapple chunks, some spices, serve on a bed of rice. Mmm. Delicious.

Libs are not that bad, after all...



The Carniverous Rat...

Oh, And I have never taken my Rabies Shots.


Carniverous Rat
...fava beans and a little chianti works,too,I've heard.

Rowly...


Rowly
Location: GA

Reply # 4
Date: Aug 9, 2008 - 10:42 PM EST Carniverous Rat
...fava beans and a little chianti works,too,I've heard.

~~~

Ok. Kind Sir,

You are hereby forgiven your Anti-Rat comments.

I am sorry I had to mention that.



Please can you add a little to the recipe?

I am familiar with Pinto Beans and Tequila, but this fava~chianti has me stumped.

Is this some european concoction?


Perhaps you intended 'Long Pig with rice and jalapenos?

I am up for it, after I have consumed at least one liter of Jose Quervo.

I don't think I could do it with anything less.

Perhaps we could arrange a large barbecue with conservatives and consume mass quantities of 'Personality Adjuster" and then try this thing?



Well. It is a thought.


The Carniverous Rat

Carne y Grande.

C.Y.G
I never know when you are a serious rodent or a devious rat. If you saw Silence Of The Lambs...at the final scene the cannibal, Hannibal Lector is walking down the street in his disguise.

He is following his next victim and says ..."fava beans and a nice Chianti",(which would complete his cannibal meal.)

Rowly or Rowdy, whatever...


Rowly
Location: GA

Reply # 6
Date: Aug 9, 2008 - 11:31 PM EST C.Y.G
I never know when you are a serious rodent or a devious rat. If you saw Silence Of The Lambs...at the final scene the cannibal, Hannibal Lector is walking down the street in his disguise.

He is following his next victim and says ..."fava beans and a nice Chianti",(which would complete his cannibal meal.)

~~~~

Sorry buddy, I do not watch movies, unless they are John Wayne movies. Or others of that ilk.

Therefore, your reference was totally lost on me.

I did watch the Charlston Heston movie about "Soylent Green" and I did enjoy it.

I strongly suspect, our way of life will evolve to this solution.

Sad? Yes. But I am collecting recipes. Are You?


The Carniverous rat,

Hunting and fellowship
I read this and the previous list with great enjoyment. Over the past few years I've finally become a Gun Owner. A friend who I shoot with tells me that dove season is near, and I should join him. Now I own mostly defensive and target weapons, but I've been assured my 20 ga. coach gun is good to start with. So I look forward to the opportunity to make new friends and involve myself in God's fine wonderland.

September 1st... Dove Season !!
Reagan Conservative.. Monday, Sept 1st, Dove Season will open, pretty much all across the country... No offense, but if you've never shot doves before, and you haven't been putting in any time at the trap or skeet range, you're gonna struggle with a 20ga coach gun... You better bring a lot of shells..

Rats Y Ratones
I heard somewhere that libs taste like chicken but I dunno-they were probably poached out of season... ;)

Long live hunters. It is they and the fishermen who fund the wildlife management programs that keep Bambi and his friends from overrunning our fair state. I wonder if they've ever made the connection between prudent hunting and the far worse opposite result of hunting bans: overpopulation and winter starvation.

Enjoy that campfire, fellas. You've earned it!


Whoops
I should have said "I wonder if the libs ever made the connection..." in the main paragraph of my post.

Sorry. Sleepless in Colorado and I guess it's showing.

TeamNRA & Reagan Conservative
The first time I dove hunted over 40 years ago I used a single shot, full choke, 16 gauge shotgun. TeamNRA, you are correct, Reagan Conservative will have problems. But don't dampen his "spirits"!

Reagan Conservative, go have fun and learn to "lead" them.

Great article Doug!

NRA Endowment Life Member

Favorite saying:
Take your kids hunting so you don't have to hunt for your kids!

By the way Rowly...not all hunters are "real" men
says Edna life long hunter.

I'm a single mom and my 2 boys didn't know what store bought meat was till they were 8 or 9.
My boys and now my daughter are avid archers and shooters and hunters, I bought them their first bows and guns,I helped them gut their first kills and all 4 of us are very close.

PETA and the ALFS are annoying but the real problem is TV video games and parents working 2 jobs to keep up with the Jones'. I've never seen so much killing in my life till I watched a video game..

Hunters provide food,clothing, morals, and responsibility lessons to their friends and family.
Lessons not taught in school.. life lessons which will serve those who listen well and will be passed on to to our future.
That's a hunters legacy!




Our Nature
I must say that this is the first time I've ever seen original sin capsulized in the words " everybody sucks" ....but I love it ! Perhaps I can add to the discussion by describing many hunters as GENUINE people , the one thing that phonies cannot abide.

Sorry, bad arguments.

Gile's arguments are typical of hunters and not very good. The idea that we get "in tune with nature" by being carniverous animals feels new-agey. The idea that it provides food for the poor is all very well-but only if hunting is not wrong in the first place.
Not that I have any objection to hunting. I have no moral problem with it. I am not a vegitarian and therefore one way of getting meat is as good as another and at least Gile's prey had a fair chance to get away which most meat doesn't. However, the arguments for hunting don't seem to work and someone needs to find better ones.

What are you talking about?
I'm reading all these posts, and have to laugh (at the irony) of all your violent, aggressive responses. I'm not a hunter, but my husband is. I would have to agree with Edna- hunting becomes a way of life for people who are not engulfed in today's materialistic, high spending society. For everyone else, it's either offensive or a sport. I would like to add that MOST hunsters are FOR conservation, and regulating the game. They believe in only taking what you need, and making sure there's enough for years to come- that's another reason why we call them CONSERVATIVES. Liberals are just that- liberal- they want what they want when they want it and they want it now. And if someone else has it, they want to take it away.

Doug Giles is Better
He's better than the rest of us, and he's humble too.

Edna
You are my kinda lady. Happy to say though I'm married and my wife has come around to the sport ever since my boys became hunters and the fact that she had a gun put in her face once by some coward gangbanger.

jastay3
It is obvious that you have never been out in the wilds. You should try it sometime before critizing those who have.

Rats rule!!!
They were here before us and will be here after us. Just as Templeton!! Seriously, rats are a noble species often spat upon by the very humans who have forced them to live in sewers and subway tunnels. THAT'S where they pick up diseases.

Rats are very clean and groom themselves even more than cats. They are social animals which display a high degree of loyalty and compassion. I've seen rats adopt and nurture rat pups of different strains as if they were their own.

If you shared your life with a rat you'd see that they are very doglike. They are most active from dusk to dawn and lounge around a lot by day. Perfect for people who work nights from home. They are very playful animals and even learn their names when you call them.

A lot of humans are alive thanks to the sacrifice of uncountable members of rattus norveigicus. Whether in the form of a Wistar, Sprague-Dawley or Long-Evans hooded rat they are the backbone of much medical research. As soon as we get their genome completely mapped out they may replace white mice in labs.

That's a good thing because mice are vicious, paranoid, ungrateful little furballs with teeth! If a mouse was the size of a rat you'd bettr watch out. They go for the throat.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Hunting does not need an "argument"...
..."jastay3", it is a Natural Act and therefore needs no moral or legal defense. Waste, fair chase and humane treatment are all issues within "civilized hunting"(?), and as such only apply to methodology and in no way impair the legitimacy of the Natural Act of hunting for food.

Regarding "fair chase and humane" issues, I consider unlimited suburban development upon animal habitat to be more egregious and inhumane than a well placed shot with iron sights.


Comforting Hunting
Again, I am happy that you didn't write that you enjoy the sight of a previously living and helpless animal-shot and staggering around in its death throes-fall in bewilderment in a heap of fur and bones: A shocking sight to sensitive children of God no matter what rationalization one uses to produce the bloody mess.

Guns are good...
... and best kept in the hands of individuals, not governments. But as to Rev. Doug Giles...

"In some countries a hunting parson is no uncommon sight. Such a one might make a good shepherd’s dog, but is far from being the Good Shepherd."
- Henry David Thoreau
Walden

Franklin
You mention God, so I'll put this in. God is the very first one to kill an animal. You can read that in Genesis.

God is also the one who told man they could eat meat after the flood. In the Jewish law they were told just what kind of meat they could and could not eat.

I have noticed that most anti-meat eaters are either anti-God or when they think it is to their advantage they take verses out of the Bible and twist the true meaning to fit their depraved way of thinking.

edna
I started out my post saying men and women,but wanted to use 'girly-men'like Ahnoll,so I changed it.

I know many girls and women hunt. All my family hunt,but I never tried real hunting. I do shoot squirrels with a pellet gun. I have killed two and about fifty ran off with stinging behinds.

Doug, You Rock!
Doug You Rock!

Yo
Doug, You Rock!

Ratas Y Ratones
I suppose you need to be a cannibal to enjoy that concoction. Fava beans & chianti.

I would need to have a taste for skunk (apologies to rodents,everywhere) to have a liberal bbq.

Have you heard the one about the difference in roadkill of a skunk and a liberal? There are skid marks in front of the skunk.

I also don't watch many movies or TV. Anthony Hopkins is my favorite actor and he plays Hannibal Lector. Jodie Foster is his co-star. One of my favorite movies.


Skunks are NOT rodents!
Nor are mink, wolverines or martens. They are mustelids related to weasels. Bats are chiropida and also not rodents. Rodentae are animals whose incisors grow continually as they age. This includes squirrels and rabbits but not members of the weasel group.

Skunks have the decency to warn you before they spray and do not spray indiscriminately. The closest thing to a pol in nature is a wolverine. Not because they're fearless, but because they are vicious, cannibalistic and will foul whatever carrion they don't with their musk and urine just so nobody else can have any.

To highlight the diff between a pol and a wolverine: a pol will run like a roach before public scrutiny. I've seen a 40# wolverine with its innards hanging out stand up to fight off its attacker. THAT is a ballsy animal.
-Ray

A lesson from Wolverines
Wolverines provide one of the best examples of the truth of G Washington's dictum. "If you want peace, prepare for war". A wolverine is a fearsome sfighter for his size, but that's not the reason other much more powerful predators leave him alone. Its because he is always willing to fight. He makes no bones about it. Consequently, he is left alone by animals who could defeat him, but have too much sense to pay the price. So much for reasonable negotiations. A willingness to use unacceptable force wins every time.

Rats and Mice....
.
José Cuervo, not Quervo...

Do you really drink that stuff.??.

Yes, I agree with an earlier poster, you are hard to figure out from day to day...

But stay in there, we are learning a little better, day by day, to decipher your slants.
.

Giles must have been drinking some......
.
...of that Cuervo tequila when he wrote and sent in this piece. Not that he is ever totally lily fingered when he does a piece, but Doug, you out did yourself on self expression.

Your points are well made, just a little callous as explained by your succulent language.
.
.

Rowly
All I can say is go west sir
Georgia isn't the place to fill you chest freezer.
One elk,deer and one boar will feed you for a year plus 3 or 4 more people of your choice for 3 squares and snacks
Squirrels are cute venison fills your belly.
Edna


OOPS hit submit by mistake
I also wanted to say that a large portion of my elk,deer and boar go to charities like hunters for the hungry or the local food bank when they're not too stuck up to take it.

Some hairbrained liberal thought the lead from my 0-6 would hurt kids because of lead...go figure turning out food when people are hungry....Never heard that one before...must of been a Michael Bloomberg idea..idiots...well more for me

edna
I cannot eat venison for some unknown reason.My sons and grandsons kill deer,wild turkeys,quail,doves and ducks in season.

They only go hunting on their off-days from work,so they don't go that much.

As for squirrels,my dad would shoot one when I was a child and I could not eat it,either. I've watched him skin one and ugh.

I only shoot at squirrels at my bird feeders.They torment me. They are also smarter than me. They can get into any feeder I have ever had.

My neighbor has killed dozens this summer because they chewed the electrical wires near his roof and shorted out several appliances.

Cost him big bucks(moola).Insurance would not pay,so he is killing them. I thank him for it.

We are overrun with deer in Ga. They eat your garden,flowers,etc.We now have armadillos,also. Possums on the half-shell.

Possums on the half shell
That was funny!

I'd be getting after your city officials if the deer are over-running your flowers
I'm sure there are plenty of people who would gladly help solve that problem...
Try venison in gravy and noodles or in sausage form..yummy
I wish I did hunt turkeys..never had but there's a bunch in NC might give it a go for Thanksgiving.

Thanks for the laugh have you tried 2 liter bottles on the bird feeder lines..squirrels have trouble with them when they spin. It's funny to watch them fly off..
Edna

edna
I live in the country about ten miles between two cities.I've been here five years. The deer are not bad here,although I see one occasionally and see tracks often.

I had some bottle feeders with small plastic trays on the bottom,which I ordered from a catalog. They chewed them.

There are lots of wild turkeys on my bro-in-laws' farm about seventy miles south of me. Never saw one until a few years ago. They are migrating like the armadillos.


Squirrel-proof feeders
Walmart has one that goes about $20 and has a system of spring-loaded perches. If a tree rat lights on it the weight causes the perches to settle over the openings and they can't steal seed. Up to 12 wrens or chickadees can feed at once though.

If you REALLY want to get the fuzzies try a very small amount of fine red pepper say a teaspoon in about 4# of seed mixed very evenly. The pepper is favored by birds (and they don't taste it) as a source of vitamins and the furballs will beat a hasty retreat with smoke trailing behind! Use a little as you can and never let it accumulate or the birds will get it in their eyes.

-Ray
NRA Life Member


love to hunt, but...
I love hunting. I love the feeling of playing GOD. I love the power of ending life. I love that while I hunt sober, quoting the "Domain over all living things" from scripture, I can, when drinking tequila, I can easily forget the passage of "thou shalt not kill". Ain't no girlie-man.

But, I "get" your comment, "jestay3" (response #23).

I feel for the families (below) in these stories...where's the mention of the importance of safety? And obviously, given the discussions here, the need for psychological profiling prior to gun purchasing and hunting licenses.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/stories/ktvbn-aug0408-hun ting_fatal_accident.13e8ad3a.html

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/11/22_k elleherb_huntershooting/

http://www.sharkonline.org/?P=0000000610

http://nm.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=5569&z=12

http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/taah-sh-20070807.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9901E7DB1239 E13ABC4E52DFB7678383609EDE

http://www.local6.com/news/15667578/detail.html

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_1_08 /10/2007_88674

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0853532820 080109



Great comments!



Edna ~ Kudos. Raised my Son the same way.


Rowly ~ Always fun with your and my spoofs.


Wrat Wrangler ~ You beat me to the punch and with more info than I had. Thanks for the proper names and background info.

Thank you also for the very kind commentary on Rats. I have been trying to educate our brethren with little success, simply because I do do not have your powers of persuasion.

I believe I saw a Marten here in Central Indiana, a couple of months ago. It this possible???


onceamarine ~ You are one of my favorite posters. I spoof a lot, but do NOT actively perform much of my satire. "José Cuervo"... How do you put that grace mark above the 'e' ? OBTW I am an olde phart and am not up on some of these high tech things. (And, The actual thought of 'Long-Pig' is most disgusting to me! This was a total spoof. ) I just love throwing 'verbal' hand-grenades.

Pistol ~ AKA Savage99 ~ We are passably old friends, and often agree on many things.

~~~
Brief Bio...

Some have metioned a few things, that suggest some concern. I assure you all that I am not Daft!

The Rat began hunting at age 10, and put meat, fish and Morels on the table for several years until he joined the Navy at Age 16 (17 - 1 Month). He despised school from the First Grade on, and obtained his education by reading a Novel a Day for many years.

Coasted through High School with a 'B' average.

After exiting the Navy in 1966 (FTG2), I worked full time, and carried 12 hours at Purdue while working my way through college, via Assembly line work at Chrysler.

Brief stint at Professor of Electrical Engineering (3 years), and 29 years as a Manufacturing Engineer.

Happily married with a fine Son, A Mustang who Retired as a Captain in the Army after 23+ years, having been among the first troops into Bosnia, Gulf I and Gulf II.

The Rancorous Rat

I AM NOT one of those vicious Mustelids !

Ratas Y Ratones
I have been posting for about six months.My oldest son introduced me to it. Never knew there was so much fun.

He writes some great posts . He had one yesterday on Pat Buchanan's column. I read it linked from the Drudge Report. He lives in Atlanta.

About your posts...I have enjoyed yours,probably more than anyone elses'. They are mostly satire and I love satire. Many posts are always so serious and yours are fun.

About rodents...I have moles and voles at my place . I have almost an acre of yard and they are everywhere.


I try to water my plants and the soil just collapses and the water disappears down the tracks.


Gallons of water will just disappear.Moles eat grubs and earthworms,etc.


The voles are little creatures and are eating the peanuts from underground in my vegetable garden.

Now you see that I am down on rodents,sometimes. They are little pests. They bug me. You are a nice,but carniverous,cantankerous rat and I love to read your posts.


TeamNRA
" TeamNRA
Location: CA

Reply # 9
Date: Aug 10, 2008 - 2:42 AM EST Subject: September 1st... Dove Season !!
Reagan Conservative.. Monday, Sept 1st, Dove Season will open, pretty much all across the country... No offense, but if you've never shot doves before, and you haven't been putting in any time at the trap or skeet range, you're gonna struggle with a 20ga coach gun... You better bring a lot of shells. "

~~~

Amen Bro ! (Life memeber since 1966)

I went Dove hunting twice. Skunked both times, and I AM NOT A NOVICE!

Danged things just go everywhere.

'Nother story. My boy came up for Vacation a couple years ago, and suggested we go Squirrel hunting on my 10 Acres~half in woods. I said Ok, but we will use 22 Pistols to make it challenging. He thought I was nuts, but we had more fun that day, than in many years. We got 6, and yeah, he got 4 and I got 2. Oh well.

~~~

A few years earlier, my Son and I were shooting a Wnchester 411 at 125 yards.

He was spotting for me with binoculars, and said, "Hey Dad, there's a fly about 4 inches to the upper right of the Bull. Get him."

About 3 seconds later, there was a neat hole with six legs stuck to the paper, where the fly had been.

I never shot Trap or Skeet, and I am not proficient at wing shooting. Dang it.

I have accounted for many Groundhogs, and most of them were via a pistol.

Savage Striker in .22-250. Most of them were 'fixed' from my house-trailer window.

KABOOM. My ears ring, and my wife screams at me. Forgot my earmuffs one time, and my ears have been ringing ever since.

For the uninitiated, Young Groundhog, tastes very similar to squirrel. Both are rodents, and diet is similar. Fried in lard, they are delicious.


The Carniverous Rat...



A life is a life?
PETA ppl and animal rights doofi like to say that all life is equal and sacred. A snake. A field mouse. A deer. A wild boar. A caterpillar. So do you have ANY idea how many snakes, mice, bunnies, insects and birds are killed PER ACRE for every bit of Maize that is harvested for their tortillas? What makes the deer or wild turkey or wild boar life MORE valuable than those bunnies or snakes or mice? HUH? Maybe hunting is MORE humane than getting whirled to death and ripped limb from limb in a corn harvester thingy (whatever it's called). And now we're subjecting these innocent lives to horrible deaths for what? Food? NO! FUEL! MG, what a horrible bunch of people Vegetarians are!

Rowly

" Rowly
Location: GA

Reply # 40
Date: Aug 10, 2008 - 10:31 PM EST Subject: Ratas Y Ratones
I have been posting for about six months.My oldest son introduced me to it. Never knew there was so much fun.

He writes some great posts . He had one yesterday on Pat Buchanan's column. I read it linked from the Drudge Report. He lives in Atlanta.

About your posts...I have enjoyed yours,probably more than anyone elses'. They are mostly satire and I love satire. Many posts are always so serious and yours are fun.

About rodents...I have moles and voles at my place . I have almost an acre of yard and they are everywhere.


I try to water my plants and the soil just collapses and the water disappears down the tracks.


Gallons of water will just disappear. Moles eat grubs and earthworms,etc.


The voles are little creatures and are eating the peanuts from underground in my vegetable garden.

Now you see that I am down on rodents,sometimes. They are little pests. They bug me. You are a nice, but carniverous, cantankerous rat and I love to read your posts. "

~~~

Sir Rowly, Keeper of the Manor, and Defender of the Faith...

I too enjoy your posts!

We like our moles, as they are eating the Japanese Beetle Grubs. Messy? Yes. Beneficial? You decide.

A vole, is a 'meadow-mouse' and I was unaware that they ate underground vegetation.

~~~

You mentioned your son had posted on TH. Care to share his 'screen name'?

My son lives in the Atlanta area, and is a PA, Physician's Assistant. He does not have much, or any interest in the day-to-day converse, but he is knowledgeable of the overall facts and concerns. He is obviously too busy at his profession to contribute to these columns or 'clums' in some cases.



The Kindly Rat




Ratas y Ratones
My new special order black rifle arrived today and i've been oiling it up and drooling a little. Its in .25 WSSM, same ballistics as .25/06, 20 inch bull barrel, flat top for scope, match trigger. If Obama gets in, it will be a great investment, if McCain wins, its still going to be a lot of fun to shoot. I'm going to get a brass catcher for it. I figure .25 WSSM and the rest of the short fat magnums will be dead in a couple years, just like the .17 rimfires. There is just no real use for them, the ammo is expensive and hard to find, and who needs anything biger better or more versatile than a .30/o6?
My only dove hunt i had a good gun, good stand and good luck. I was 6 for 8 on the ones that flew by, but only recovered 4. I vowed never to go bird unting again without a retreiver and haven't. My light-duty shotgun is a wincherster 59, with fiberglas barrel. I really like it, and it has treated me well.
I like the taste of game and eat the squirrels and ground hogs i eat. I must admit the squirrels from a hemlock stand taste a lot like pine-sol. I prefer acorn and pecan fed squirrels.

Life IS sacred
But you wouldn't know that listening to libs who are willing to destroy it solely for "convenience". Yeah, it was convenient to get that poon after the beer bong at that party, but DANG it ain't convenient that Auntie Flo ain't visitin her no mo'. No big, just suck that inconvenient, UN-sacred sack of cells outta your life forever.

Now any hunter can tell you that after the kill, the sense of sacred is extremely high. To take another life to sustain your own has held an amazing sense of awe for all mankind since the first animal was killed for food. Course, pickin out a nice Filet Mignon all wrapped in plastic doesn't REALLY inspire the same sense of awe. Fact is, hunting is one of THE MOST certain ways to gain a respect and awe for the sanctity of life.

My dad hunted deer every fall and fed a family of 7 on a modest income. He never went in the woods and acted like a blood-thirsty lunatic. But a non-hunter, raised to believe that "guns are evil" and "hunters are all blood-thirsty killers" will NEVER understand the sanctity of life, and their stance on abortion PROVES that to me.

Mworz
Some people are against hunting because they get comfort from the thought that less hunting would somehow reduce violence and misery. As you note, they are wrong, but their opinions make them feel good. Feelings and good intentions are the road to Hades.

onceamarine

" onceamarine
Location: FL

Reply # 30
Date: Aug 10, 2008 - 7:37 PM EST Rats and Mice....
.
José Cuervo, not Quervo...

Do you really drink that stuff.??.

Yes, I agree with an earlier poster, you are hard to figure out from day to day...

But stay in there, we are learning a little better, day by day, to decipher your slants. "

~~~

onceamarine,

( José Cuervo? Yes I do actually drink that stuff, 2 or 3 times a year. My Brother is Mexican and so is his wife. I also love Jalapeno Peppers and Nachos.)

As I have stated earlier, you are one of my favorite posters.

I also believe that you and I are kindred spirits.

I follow your posts regularly.

You are a Very intelligent Man (or woman), I believe the former.

Please do not write me off as some whacko. I enjoy spoofing the idiots who show up here. I also enjoy posting outrageous comments, oftentimes, merely to see the response.

So many others have clearly outlined the issues we are concerned about, that I often feel I have nothing to add to them.

You Sir, are one of the best! I always read your posts, and usually agree with every point in them.

Therefore, I am often left with the 'FUN THING' Spoof the fools.

Please do not take this pleasure from me.


The Wharf Rat...

The All-Mighty..
Through the Apostle Peter, said " RISE.. KILL..
and EAT.. animals, reptiles and birds of the air" If the man upstairs says it's ok, then I will hunt, regardless of what anyone else says.. The plain simple truth is, if today's kids spent more time in a bass boat or a duck blind, we'd all be a whole lot better off !!!

Ratas Y Ratones
He didn't post it on th. He does sometimes and uses 'eastwind'. If you go to the Drudge Report and find Pat's name, my son's post is on page 19. His first name is Steve. he used his real name on this one.

If you go to the trouble,I hope you enjoy it. He is into the political scene,as I am. We talk the same language,but he writes much better than I do.

One of the SAFEST sports around!!
Many moons ago I was an insurance adjuster. We had all sorts of actuarial tables. One was set up to rank recreational activities in order of likelihood to cause injury or death.

Hunting ranked lower than water skiing or even football. SKYDIVING ranked almost as low as hunting. ALL of you weepy links are nothing more than statistically insignificant (to the big picture) anecdotal rantings.

Most injuries occur when a climbing treestand is not locked in place securely or the fool won't wear a safety harness. I shoot from ground blinds so no problem.

The "classic" and overreported hunting fatality of hunters being shot are just that, overreported because to the non-hunting citiots out there it sells. They see "Bambi" and think the soundtrack to deer season must be something out of "Saving Private Ryan" in the Omaha beach scene. I hear a random shot ow than then and mostly it sounds like .22 rifles or small bore shotguns since small game season often coincides with bow season.

Nice try at lib sophistry with your "projection", BTW
-Ray
NRA Life Member

Vegitarians eat Vegetables.
I prefer to be a humanitarian.

AliveInHim
Some years ago, the Colorado Wildlife group wanted to have a limited hunt in one area due to deer over-population. Some animal rights group went to the state and talked them out of allowing it.

They had a hard winter that year. The next spring they had to import deer from another state due to most of the local ones dying off. They had so few left the deer couldn't even find each other to breed!

The animal rights group stated that the starvation was okay since "that was nature's way." The thing they won't accept is that it is also nature's way for hunters to thin them.

Man is part of nature too. The groups that insist it isn't are stupid. A professor years ago started a class in environmentalism by stating, "Don't forget that man is part of the environment."

Raising Kids
I had an uncle who raised 12 kids hunting and fishing. The only tame meat in his top ten was pork. His favorite was coon with possem (sp) a close second. His wife would boil it for about three hours to cook and tenderize it, then bake it with spices on a raised grill to let the fat drip off. It was excellent!

He was 86 when he got a new coon dog. To hear him tell it, that was the best dog he ever owned. One of his grandsons took it out and told him it was useless. Then his son did the same. He wasn't sure that the dog was any good, so he went out alone with it to hunt. If it was a bad dog, he intended to shoot it.

He always took only seven shotgun shells with his old single shot 12 ga. He came in with 9 coon and 11 possem hides. I asked him how in the world he managed to get that many critters with only 7 shells.

"I was lucky enough to get two coons up the same tree twice, so I just lined them up and got both with a single shot," he told me. "And I don't believe in wasting a shell on a possem. I climb the tree, shake 'em out, and let the dog keep 'em busy until I can climb back down and hit 'em with a stick." And he was 86!

He did snicker about who the best hunter was, his dog or his kids.

Can't argue with much of anything....
Although I do find the mega-macho tone of the column to be pretty juvenile.

To suggest that a PETA member living in Seattle who has never even been in a wilderness setting knows and cares more about animal husbandry than your average hunter is pretty far-fetched.

AliveInHim
"I heard somewhere that libs taste like chicken..."

What else?

NRA 20guage
Subject: September 1st... Dove Season !!
Reagan Conservative.. Monday, Sept 1st, Dove Season will open, pretty much all across the country... No offense, but if you've never shot doves before, and you haven't been putting in any time at the trap or skeet range, you're gonna struggle with a 20ga coach gun... You better bring a lot of shells..

I rarely write on these comment although I really enjoy reading them. This one I have to comment on. I have taken both my sons Dove hunting and other hunting and fishing. I started them out with a 410 guage single shot as they were too young to handle a larger gun. The other hunters in the group were using 12 guage automatics. I used a Ithaca 16ga pump Featherlight Model 37. My son with the 410 got quite a number of doves. Granted he had to get those flying under supersonic speeds and 30,000 ft but it can be done. Does take a lot of shells tho. I now use a Ithaca 12 guage pump and my 16 has been given to the older son to use. The younger bought a 12 guage for himself.
We do enjoy Dove and Quail hunting along with other game. Hunters are the real deal.

Rich D @ 12:27 asked
"what else?" (do groats taste like, other than chicken)

Oh, maybe bandicoot (very large rat--such as the ones described as "dog-size") or rattler.

It was Gunnison CO!!
Slabsides,

It was the Gunnison herd about 1970 I think. The following year they showed the SAME judge the photos and film of hundreds of deer dead of starvation and carrying grapefruit sized tumors and the near total destruction of the vegetation in the area. He told Friends of Animals (Cleveland Amory's cash cow) to urinate up a vertical length of hemp when they tried to get another injunction.

Ray
NRA Life Member

Bravo, Doug!
I am a life-long hunter. As an inmate of university English departments for 32 years,I have listened to way more than my share of sophistic anti-hunting clap-trap. Only three of us in a department of about 60 regular faculty hunted. The prevailing ignorance of the natural world of these pseudo-savants stills stuns me. One preached to me that tofu was "more natural" than backstrap harvested on my own land. I informed her that a steady diet of "natural" soy beans might just kill her because the amino acid inhibitor present in raw soy could thoroughly disrupt her metabolism. I suggested that she visit and tour the ADM processing plant in near-by Decatur, IL, to observe the factory production of tofu. Happily, she declined to speak to, or at, me again.

Rational argument rarely penetrates the frontal plate of such as PETA types. I much prefer to assault their hypocrisy. My company owns a safari ranch in Namibia. When troubled by such tiresome fools, I ask them how many poor Africans they employ or feed.

No matter where we hunt, our strongest weapon against such fools as PETA hypocrites and my former colleagues is to feed hungry people. Doug does, I do, we all should.

Environmentalists & PETA
These tree-huggers,etc are causing havoc all across the country. The midwest and the west burn because of not doing the environmental burning as it is supposed to be done.

If not for hunters and fishermen and women,the game would starve by overcrowding and lack of food for them. Nature would do well if left to nature.

Talking of Starving Game ...
When the Yellowstone burned off about twenty five years ago, there was an "environmental" decision to not fight the fire. It was started naturally by lightning strike so it should be allowed to burn. It was finally put out after it had destroyed most of the park and threatened nearby ranches.

That winter the elk and deer were starving. Some "animal rights" people from California went to Wyoming and went with a reporter and some park rangers to a ranch where a rancher was putting out hay for the starving animals. They then informed him that he was doing the wrong thing by feeding them. It was nature's way for them to starve and he was interfering. Further, if he didn't quit, the park rangers would fine him.

He listened and then walked to his pickup to pull out a rifle. "This is my ranch and I can do what I want with my hay. You are tresspassing. You have three minutes to get off my land before I start shooting."

I almost fell out of my chair laughing. But the elk were fed despite some California "nature lovers".

I agree
I used to think that Bow hunters were better than gun hunters. I also thought that cross guns(crossbows) were a poor excuse for archery but one of my friends pointed out that too many hunters think that way and that plays into the PETA mentality that if we are against each other then it's easier for them to divide us. We have to drop the "My way is better than yours" type of thinking and embrace all forms of hunting as our own. We all are out there whether it's in the woods, the field, the mountains, or wherever, doing our thing and loving it and we should all respect the other hunter. after all, that hunter is out there and being seen by others as a hunter. Can't we all just get along?

There's room for both.
Larry,

I shoot a longbow and a flintlock. I have NO problem with guys who use compounds and inline "muzzleloaders". I DO have a problem with the way the game people HANDED the archery and black powder seasons over to the techno-pimps after WE fought long and hard for our extra days afield on the BASIS of PRIMITIVE weapons and limited effectiveness.

I still want states to set aside areas for truly basic archery and black powder. That would be recuves/longbows in the bow seasons and sidehammer flint or percussion guns of types representative of the era pre-1865.

Either carve out a two weeks in those seasons for the primitive guys with traditional gear or set aside a few areas of land for us old farts.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
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