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Saturday, July 05, 2008
Doug Giles :: Townhall.com Columnist
Vermont is for Lovers, Liberal Judges, Pedophiles and Stupid Parents
by Doug Giles
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I would love to wake up one morning and hear on Fox & Friends that the cops found a wannabe child molester dead in the woods rather than the kid he was about to rape.

Is that too harsh?

Okay, how about finding the perv bleeding badly from an 8mm wide crack in his skull, with a punctured lung, a shattered knee cap, a penectomy performed with a shard of dirty glass as he teeters on the verge of death in a patch of poison ivy smack dab in the big middle of grizzly bear country?

How’s that?

I hope that suffices because that’s about as far as I’ll go down the road in being a liberal Christian when it comes to the plight of child rapists. My compassion begins and ends with the tiny, defenseless molested kid.

Sadly, a freshly dead or severely wounded pervert was not the story we all got crammed into our faces this week but rather another 85lb cute little girl, namely Brooke Bennett of Vermont, who was found in a shallow grave with the alleged culprits being her way-too-creepy uncle (who happened to have a kidnapping and rape prior) and her satanic ex-stepdad who was part of a local sex ring.

I’ve got a question: What kind of stupid parent would allow their dog, much less their daughter, to spend time around such tools?

Here’s a thought for all you couples or single parents baptized in stupidity who have young kids under your immediate care: How about not allowing your kid to hang out with a relative if said kin has been to prison for rape, child molestation, or kiddie porn, huh? It’s just a thought. Are you familiar with thinking?

Listen to me, moms and dads everywhere, if anything with a penis is involved in a sex ring, has been convicted of a sexual crime, or gives you that weird uncle NAMBLA vibe you might not want to invite them over for some KFC with the kids.

Given Vermont’s leniency toward the sickest bastards on the planet, if I were a parent of a girl living in the vapid state of Vermont, I not only would make sure Chester the Molester wouldn’t be allowed to drive my 12 year-old child to choir practice, but I would also make certain that my kid was a lethal weapon.

Yep, seeing that Vermont’s liberal legislative wussies wont pass Jessica’s Law and obviously seem to take pride in soft sentences for the most despicable amongst us, if I were a father of a daughter I would make certain that my kid would be the female equivalent of Bruce Lee.

Yes sir, not only would I not allow them around any uncle governed by the chimpanzee is his pants but I would also make certain that if my kids were going to live in a judicially jacked up place like Vermont then they must, from an early age, become ninjas comfortable with warning, defending, wounding and, if need be, killing anyone who sought to do them harm.

Does anyone have a problem with that?

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Doug Giles’ new book “If You're Going Through Hell, Keep Going!" is now available. Ann Coulter says "Doug Giles is a substantive and funny tour de force for traditional values.” Doug’s talk show and video blog can be seen and heard at www.ClashRadio.com.
 
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You sound just like my own daughters...
Makes me proud.

My oldest will turn 21 in October. For her birthday she'll receive (among other things) a concealed carry permit and a .38 S&W revolver.

Sadly, This World Has Become...
...a place where you can scarcely take your eyes off your children no matter what state you live in. Here in San Diego a nice, normal-appearing neighbor crept into a family's upscale home and kidnapped a 7 year old girl from her bed.

He raped, murdered and buried her not 5 miles from our home. He's sitting on death row thanks to a good CA jury who had the sense to do their duty. Hurray for them!

Vermont is a Pedophiles Paradise
What is with Vermont?

When are the citizens going to stand up to protect children?

A litmus test for the character of the citizens of a country or state is the protection of the helpless.

The depth of the child lust
The networks of protection that exists to insulating child predators rises to the level of conspiracy in our country. There are many of them and they band and provide security from detection and prosecution for each other.

They are in the courts, the schools, the realms of media, they have insinuated themselves in our towns and neighborhoods.

When we live in a society where a child molester can publish a novel reveling in his prurient fantasies and be awarded a Readers Digest Book of the Month recommendation then you know that evil itself has become the new normal.

There are clear and present risks to our national character and the ones to whom we are all stewards.

No quarter for the child abuser and their crypto fellow travelers.

Vermont, a state of sickos
What is wrong with the system in Vermont and what is in the brain of these parents that let perverts anywhere near their children, regardless of being a relative.
We have devalued the lives of our children so much that perverts get more compassion than a violated and abused or a murdered child.

I Would Lose It
I would probably do a Jack Ruby on a guy who did that to my daughter. I would hope that any LEO guarding him would have the good sense to step away. I just couldn't look myself in the mirror every day, knowing that my child's killer still lived. If I died killing the SOB, it would be all that much better. I could then kick his butt all the way down to the Gates of Hell and drag him into the fire myself.

oh brother
Leave it to Kimberly to drag politics into this. I don't believe a thing from the Demo Underground, but since it jives with her twisted way of thinking I am sure she would. Grow up Kimberly, you must be barely voting age and it shows. If you are much older than that, you surely suffer from arrested development.

I totally agree with Giles that these perverts need to be dealt with in a more effective way than what we are doing! It is horrifying to think of what that poor child endured. I have often said that is someone hurt one of my children, they had better pray that law enforcement finds him before I do!

I will never understand how Brooke's mother could show such horribly poor judgement in letting her child be around such a deviant. I feel terribly for her, but at the same time, she is partly to blame for this tragedy.

Parents
If parents in Vermont would demand that the state pass laws severly punishing child molesters with the death penalty I am sure they would win the argument. There must be more parents in Vermont than there are child molesters and I don't think felons can vote and there has to be more parents than are lawyers in black.

Vermont Pervert
Sexual perversion knows no political affiliation, Kimberly. There are plenty of Democrat sickos to match the Republican ones. While the Republican party is hardly the party of God, most of the homosexual and pedophile organizations in this country support Democrats, and are supported by Democrats in return, leading me to conclude that it must certainly be the party of Satan. And, no, I am not a Republican.

Final Analysis
The only possible reason for the lawmakers lack of action in Vermont is that oldest of reasons, "protecting their own". Only other pedophiles could be that lenient on such a despicable act. I would suggest Vermonters do some in depth investigations of their lawmakers and judges.

I see a few
beat to the punch with Kimberly.

The lady doth protest too much!

Guilty conscience Kimberly?

Christians?
With good Christians like you guys out there, it's no wonder our atheist numbers are growing!

Mr. Giles
My only quibble with your column is I prefer a can of gas and a match in the town square for these perverts that give true meaning to evil.

As to stupid parents...I see a lot of them every single day. They used to be the exception but are rapidly becoming the rule.

Since the SCOTUS ruled the death penalty cruel and unusual, yeah I laughed at that too, I expect we will see more castration laws like LA until the bleeding hearts get a hold of that one.

Funny thing about our society. We will put down a dog or any animal for being an animal, and do it without investigation or question. But the real animals get idiots fawning all over them, protesting their death sentence, without a thought for the victims.

Mary
If you even remotely understood Christianity you wouldn't post such stupid things.

Retired Geek writes:
"A litmus test for the character of the citizens of a country or state is the protection of the helpless."
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Nicely said! (as always)

The Democrats are more concerned with putting condoms in our 13 yr olds lunch boxes, than they are with depraved uncles.

They're just way too enlightened for us.



Want to be frightened even more?
Ponder this... Many years ago various sexually deviant behaviors were considered a form of mental illness. After years of 'enlightenment' some of those have become 'lifestyle choices' that in many circles meet with support and approval.

First, organizations work to have such oddities in our society normalized. Politically they make inroads, medically the diagnosis is altered, then removed entirely...

Pedophilia in all of its disgusting forms is currently following the same path as more acceptable types of deviant behavior. In the courts, it is now necessary to show that child pornography is of an actual child - not computer altered or computer generated... no matter how lifelike. Groups like NAMBLA (The North American Man-Boy Love Association) push to legalize sexual relationships between "consenting" partners - regardless of their ages... Laws governing sex with underage juveniles are weakened nationwide, with adult "boyfriends" who are unable to find a woman their own age now able to date and have sexual relationships with underage girls provided they are only a couple years younger... say two or three...

These changes are following the same paths, issuing the same challenges and making the same 'medical' and 'psychological' claims that homosexuals did years ago. And, considering how 'normal' being a homosexual is considered today, it may not be long before places like Vermont tell us all that it is "an alternative lifestyle" or that "they are born that way" and "who are we to condemn them?"

hypocritical liberals
It never fails to amaze me how liberals, who believe in human evolution, and hence the ultimate purposeless meaning of life (i.e. you will die just like a dog; no heaven, no hell, just a return to nothingness)use this philosophy to abort innocent babies, BUT they fanatically defend the right to life and rehab for child rapists and child killers--the worst kind of human scum. Is this not the worst kind of hypocrisy? Oh yes, it's society's fault too that these killers acted this way.

Kimberly
Hyporcracy?! Are you kidding me Kimberly?! what about Barney Frank that ran a male prostitute ring out of his apartment, or having gay sex in the cloak room of the U.S. Congress?! and that Mass. moron, a Democrat, whose name escapes me right now, but he not only contacted minor aged interns like the Republican Congressman in Florida did, but he even went farther! He actually had sex with the minor! You hypocrites on the left never cease to amaze me with how ignorant you all are!

Kimstain
Two names for you. Gary Studds and Barney Frank. Studds was caught in the act of buggering a Congressional page, repudiated (turned his back on) the House censure then served more terms and kept ranking commitee positions. B. Frank was prosecuted for running a male prostitution ring out of his DC home. Remember what the Bible says about sin and stones. Oops, I guess that's one book you've never read.

Doesn't everyone know
that this is our "evolving standards"?

So right Reply 11, you're getting it

The networks of protection that exist to insulate child predators rises to the level of conspiracy in our country. There are many of them. They band and provide security from detection and prosecution for each other.

They are in the courts, the schools, the realms of media, they have insinuated themselves in our towns and neighborhoods.

When we live in a society where a child molester can publish a novel reveling in his prurient fantasies and be awarded a Readers Digest Book of the Month recommendation then you know that evil itself has become the new normal.

There are clear and present risks to our national character and the ones to whom we are all stewards.

No quarter for the child abuser and their crypto fellow travelers.

Sick..
Kimberly you compare Craig with a deviant/pedophile/rapist/child killer.You must not be whom you claim to be, a woman? Oops, I did not mean to write deviant that only applies to gays I think or is it gays are not deviants? I can never remember....whatever.

death to them all
i am a retired police officer.. i say, death to all child rapist. i am a Christian and i say death to all child rapists. i have a 7 year old grand daughter that i have raised. i see other children running all over the place without their parents paying a bit of attention. that is almost as bad as allowing your child to be in company of a known sex offender family or not family. my baby is not allowed out of my sight. she knows the rules. she has already been trained what to do if someone touches her. she has a pretty mean kick for a little girl and can outscream most. she also has a daddy that is even more strict than i am and would take care of business if anyone got past him or me. that is not likely. our children are our most precious loves and need the protection of family and the court system. i see less and less of both. perverts are in all walks of society. the church, washington and in our back yards. we have one in our own family. ( an inlaw). his son is not allowed in his company without several family members present. only reason he could be around his son is the COURT said "supervised visitation". now that the boy is older, his choice is NOT to be around his father.. this child was trained with good sense and simple information. we never ran his father down, but answered questions simply and honestly and he made up his own mind. some of us still protect our children. had he not come to that conclusion himself, there would have been an army of family supervisors for visits.
people, guard your children the best way you can. it is very much up to you. no one else will do it as the courts have proven

Most of us still do not get it..........
Despicable acts, such as the aforementioned act and the recent Supreme Court decision sparing the life of a psychopath in LA, will become even more common with the normalization of the neurotic behavior and its associated paraphilias by neurotic legal and medical professionals. Using gay marriage and civil unions to normalize neurotic behavior by knowingly promoting the placement of children in borderline caretaker environments, regardless of the gender of the caretaker environment and its socioeconomic status, is no less than unethical if not antisocial behavior by neurotic legal and medical professionals. The march by LGBT activists will continue until those with any intellectual capacity are willing to enagage in massive civil disobedience before the APA and ABA. You can not expect state and federal legislative bodies to act in the defense of the common good if one continues to vote LGBT legislators to state and federal legislators. Have you already forgotten that the Republican electorate prevented the nomination of three LGBT attorneys for the 2008 POTUS due to their concerns regarding collusion with the other branches of government to enact gay marriage and thereby normalizing neurotic behavior to children?

Moonbat exterminator
In 1990, the House voted to reprimand Frank when it was revealed that Steve Gobie, a male escort whom Frank had befriended after hiring him through a personal advertisement, claimed to have conducted an escort service from Frank's apartment when he was not at home. Frank had dismissed Gobie earlier that year and reported the incident to the House Ethics Committee after learning of Gobie's activities. After an investigation, the House Ethics Committee found no evidence that Frank had known of or been involved in the alleged illegal activity.

Regarding Gobie's more scandalous claims, the report by the Ethics Committee concluded, "In numerous instances where an assertion made by Mr. Gobie (either publicly or during his Committee deposition) was investigated for accuracy, the assertion was contradicted by third-party sworn testimony or other evidence of Mr. Gobie himself."

The New York Times reported on July 20, 1990 that the House Ethics Committee recommended "that Representative Barney Frank receive a formal reprimand from the House for his relationship with a male prostitute." Attempts to expel or censure Frank, led by Republican member Larry Craig, failed.

Even if Frank had run this call boy service, it would not be comparable to the horrendous crime of pedophilia, as those involved would be consenting adults.

Ironic that it was toe-tapping Craig who went after him.

?
"...as he teeters on the verge of death in a patch of poison ivy smack dab in the big middle of grizzly bear country?"

They don't have grizzly bears anywhere near Vermont.

Caligula
Where do I start. #1 the House "Ethics" Committee?! #2 The New York Times?! Now there are two peas in a pod! They minimize bad behavior on the left and exaggerate that same behavior if it comes from the right. I noticed that Stubbs behavior and the supposed penalty for it were omitted. There is so much support given to the Democrats from some really sick perverts, that they minimize that behavior if and when it faces the light of day.

I'll show you partisan politics!
Okay, we're trashing each other again over being Democrats and Republicans.

Let's get back to business.

If someone rapes my son or daughter, even IF they don't kill them...they're dead!

Believe me, it would be my life's mission.

Let's see some judge rule on that. I win.

On Sexual Preference
Isn't Pedophilia just another "Sexual Preference"? Like, oh, say, Bi-Sexuality, Fetishism, Voyeurism, Polygamy, Promiscuity. Unless Americans are willing to look at the basis of these bizzare sexual proclivities, Americans are destined to remain ignorant, in the dark, stunning stupid. Look at the father of the "sexual revolution(?)" And you may find the ultimate sick pervert. Hiding under the auspices of "scientific research" Check out http://www.drjudithreisman.com

Perry…thanks for
getting back to the issue!

If you are politicizing this, you either a) don’t have children, or b) don’t care about them.

This article isn’t about politics…it’s about children. It’s about keeping them safe! And it’s about zero tolerance for the monsters terrorizing innocence.

christian morality reinvented
might be better than jesus. here is a guide , (in this column) justifying for us a whole new area of what used to be christain morality and substituting for it something about being a christian as far as you are willing to go. this is awfully close to situational morality, in fact now that i type it it is situational morality. hardly a new idea but new in terms of this particular columnist accepting it as the standard for his behavior. the problem is that christ never said that folloeing his way was easy, as i understand her, and you might have to exert yourself morally to follow his way. it i soooooo much easier to just decide on the spur of the moment that a particular situation is so bad that what has been moral all your life becomes subject to change and then you are free theoretically free to choose anybodys or anythings moral code that you wish, or none at all for that matter.

Don't respond to the trolls and they
will go away.

Kimberly, Republicans Want to Prosecute
I present to you EXHIBIT A as to why we have this problem... Kimberly. Garbling unrelated ideas, driven by emotion rather than fact.

THIS is how liberals ruin a place like Vermont.

Kimberly, it is the Republicans who are trying to CRACK DOWN on these sex offenders and send them away for life, or to the electric chair. Your inaccurate, incomplete, and one-sided list fails to consider that it is liberals who work against enforcing the laws and against punishment for those who harm children. It is the Republicans who want to protect our children by swift, certain, and harsh punishment of anyone who would molest a child.

But if you want to see some Democrats, take a look at this:


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 68601

The bottom line is that we Republicans are not so twisted that we waste our time making a misleading list of only Democrats. We are thinking about the children, not trying to twist things (falsely) for politics.

Kimberly

You're so unbelievably stupid you don't know you're stupid.

You really should ask somebody with a brain in their head to read your posts before you submit them. Once you understand just what an idiot you are, perhaps you can then understand just how infantile your drivel is and why it makes you look like such a fool.

(Oh, and Kimberly? Don't ask your parents to proofread your stuff. Judging from your room-temperature IQ, they're probably not all that swift themselves.)

Mary
What was the point of your post? Are you suggesting that it is wrong to have more compassion for children than for those who torture children? Are you suggesting that this is the mainstream athiest view? Are you suggesting that Christians should become athiests so that we can be less judgmental about child molesters?

Vermont
wishes hat Doug Giles would shut the...
anyway. They don't need "jacked up Christian phonies making political hay out of a tragedy".

Unintended consequences
As more and more child-molesting perverts get away with it due to failures in the jurisprudence system, there will be more and more vigilante action. A released pervert found dead is a difficult case to solve, and even harder to obtain a conviction on.

Anyone so pervertd as to
target a child is too sick to be allowed to live. Like a rabid dog they should be put down as they are unredeemable.
The recent SC decision should have brought an uproar and a call for those judges to step down immediately, that wasn't a learned decision, it was judicial malfeasance of the highest order, despicible is the only word to describe it and them. If we aren't willing to protect the least among us from these animals we are complicit in their suffering and should be ashamed of ourselves.
Any pervert who touches a child in my family had better be ready to call 9/11, I certainly won't and I'll take my chances with a jury of like minded fathers.

child molesters
These are sick individuals who do not belong in society. They can't be rehabilitated nor do they ever stop their perverted crimes. When they are released - if they serve time - they again go searching for their prey. These are the animals I think of when I dream of solitary confinement with no chance of parole. No TV, no books, no nothing! Just staring at the four walls of a 6x8 room for the rest of their lives, condemmed to relive their horrendous acts.

Pistol
Those cases aren't difficult to solve but they are difficult to get a conviction on.

A lot of us believe in Jury Nullification. That will happen more and more as "standards evolve".

Vermont! The Child "Rearing" State.
We are discovering, sadly, that Vermont is fast becoming a pedophilia retirement paradise.
With all the relaxed laws and second chance opportunities afforded these family knee bouncers and touchy feely camp councillors by the Vermont liberal Judiciary, get ready for a brand new round of tourism ads from their Chamber of Commerce.

Vermont is for really, really young lovers!

excuse my cursory proofread.......
"normalization of neurotic"
"enagage" engage
"legislators" legislatures

Child Rapists, Molesters, Toruturers-
I have two grown children and four grandchildren.

Anyone who sexually molests them is dead. Or they will wish they were dead.

End of story.

For the editors --the word is



Torturer

The Question Of The Day
Suppose one of these child rapists that the Supreme Court has commuted their sentence to life is let out of jail and rapes and kills again. Suppose that the parents of the child kill the SCOTUS judges that let him out. Suppose you are on the jury for their trial.

Would you vote to convict?

Exactly...
No mercy. None. Match, gas, Gun. Whatever I get my hands on first can be used as a weapon.

Did you know one of the Killers in the Manson case has brain cancer and has asked to be released from prison to die at home? She killed pregnant Sharon Tate after she told her no mercy. Then blamed it on drugs and brainwashing. Well, as someone said. She should die at home. Prison is her home. She can die at home, in prison.

Modus operandi
It seems to me that Liberalism gone wild has become the way they now do business in Vermont, so I no longer will do any business in Vermont because of it.

To: Kimberly
My mother had a saying many posters here I'm sure will find familiar. "Two wrongs don't make a right." Whether someone defends Craig, Vitter and other Republicans caught in sex scandals is beside the point. There is no excuse for this behavior especially when it comes to children. I do not defend anyone found in these activities whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal. And as the father of three children I can understand those posters here who would feel so outraged that they might want to take the law into their own hands. I would probably feel the same way under similiar circumstances. And it would be wrong but the feeling is understandable. But what is your point? Is it to give a pass to those who do such things? You liberals have raised misplaced compassion to the highest of all virtues above self protection and justice. No society can survive that will not protect its weakest members and have some semblance of law and order. Total personal freedom to do whatever you want anytime anywhere is a myth unless you live alone on a desert island. Compassion is great but it is not the be all and end all of existance. Would you feel no outrage at all if something like what happened to this young girl were to happen to a close young female relative of yours? If so I feel sorry for you for your compassion and sense of justice is totally misplaced.

Protecting Children
So much of child abuse goes on in the family behind closed doors -- Everyday we read of horrendous ordeals children have experienced at the hands of the people they love and trust the most -- It is just the tip of the iceberg -- As for the slimy, sleezy scumbag child molesters -- they should be put in the general population in prison after spending just 15 minutes with the fathers, brothers and uncles of their victims --

Vic
You are right about jury nullification. Its been going on for some time in connection with self defense cases, and DAs are well aware of the difficulty of getting convictions against people who use an "illegal" weapon to defend themselves. I know of 2 cases where vigilante action against child rapists never went to trial. Americans are good do-it-yourselfers.

Misplaced compassion
" . . . it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

Mental disorders are not confined to the pedophiliacs and criminals living in "progressive" communities. Those around them who administer "justice" obviously have their own "millstones" of guilt dangling from their necks in the form of tolerance which allows transgressions against humanity to flourish under the guise of compassion and intelligence, as antithetical as those concepts surely are when discussing justice and protection of the most innocent of our population--children.

Whether or not Scripture holds any validity in your own private world, one thing is for sure. Tolerating or forgiving criminal behavior with "progressive compassion" is allowing the innocent to continue to suffer and the offender to continue to descend deeper into depravity.

Pedos and "progressive" jurists should see the true wisdom of Matthew 18 even if you don't buy into the Book's premise overall. Or continue to spit in the eye of the innocent for the sake of "justice."

To: Mary from TX
Yes we Christians can get outraged over extreme sins of child rape and murder. Of course you don't have to be Christian to feel anger over such acts. And taking the law into your own hands is wrong. But as I told Kimberly in my previous post what is your point? Is it to give a pass to such actions in the name of total freedom and what appears to be a misplaced sense of compassion? By the way if atheism means defending these molesters' and murderers' actions then I wouldn't expect too many converts to your point of view. Too many people have more conscience than that.

...If the government can't or won't
When the government fails in its reasonable responsibility of keeping the public safe, then it risks people doing it themselves.

But, frankly, it doesn't really shock me that a country that allows abortion on demand for its pre-birth children would be a bit weak in the child protection area a few years later in the child's life. If we were zealous in protecting a fetus's life, we'd be much more protective of the child ten years later than we are now.

You tolerate bad/evil behavior that isn't important; child safety just isn't that important, apparently.

Vermont is for Lovers
Too many of you miss the point.

Tapping your toes in a restroom trying for sex with another adult (Craig), or committing adultery (Vitter), is NOT the same thing as MOLESTING A CHILD.

And while many consider being gay perverse, I would rather see gay, then PEDOPHILIA! (No, I am a married mother of 3, grandmother of 3).

The idea that a pedophile can be CURED is perverse! It has never happened in medical history anywhere in the world.

Once convicted, these pieces of trash should NEVER see the light of day outside prison. If they kill a child while molesting them, they should get the death penalty, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. The sad part of this is, even if they don't kill the child's body, they kill the soul. Which as far as I'm concerned should get them the DEATH PENALTY ANYWAY.

Dem. liberalism
and the 1970s Sup. Ct. and the MSM have given us the wonderfully successful *sexual revolution.*

The SCOTUS gave us 1) legalized pornography (virtually; it can still be prosecuted but don't bet any ranches that a DA can get a conviction [Miller v CA]), 2) the f-word (Cohen v CA) is legal as *political* expression, and who could ever forget Roe v Wade???

The CDC didn't keep teen pregnancy stats until 1972, with the above all in the wonderful 1970s--whadda banner decade.

In NJ, a 12-yr.-old girl can have an abortion without parental notification. Whadda a sophisticated and kewl state.

Planned Parenthood has constantly refuses states like KA, NB, and OH from revealing the names of the fathers of pregnancies in under-age teen girls who want abortions. Prosecutors seeking statutory rapists are denied male parental knowledge under the queasy *confidentiality* krap PP espouses.

Today, 50% of all conceptions end in abortion, mostly involving under 24 year olds.

One in four college-aged women are infected with a contagious venereal disease (CDC).

One in five adults carries genital herpes (Valtrex ad).

Black community faces c. 70% illegitamcy rate.

50,000 develop AIDS a year from a pool of 1,000,000 infected.

50% of marriages end in divorce (not a really varifiable stat, but it's used all the time).

75% of all eleven year olds have viewed internet porn. WOW.

In 2004, all crime was down except rape (FBI).

There over 50,000 missing persons per year in the US, mostly women and children. (FBI)

Just like the drug culture, the sex rev. is one of liberalisms' most successful programs.

Vic #48
Judges and members of parole boards should be responsible at some level. Just where to draw the line is debatable, since any decision will make some few people angry. But arbitrary decisions clearly contrary to the public weal must be dealt with. Recall should be possible, though not easy. Depending upon the case, i can see myself deciding on jury nullification. That, after all, is exactly what the ultimate reason for trial-by-jury is. Nullification of "higher authority" be it the divine right of kings, or the elected right of politicians.

as a former Vermonter
Unfortunately Vermont was changed when the liberals from NY City, NJ etc moved in and decided to change things. My husband was born and raised there. We lived for many years on 100 acres of the family homestead. The children saw their grandparents daily; it was wonderful. About 8 years ago the Holy Spirit led both my husband and I to the same conclusion--it was time to leave Vermont. Reading this column just confirms to me that God knows best. We hated to leave, but know I can see why we needed to---for the protection of our five daughters.

hummm
Something biblical about a millstone around the neck and tossed into the sea....
Sounds about right for all the perps...
and the liberal judges who allow such heinous behaviour.
This 'new morality'(tolerance/acceptance) is nothing more than the old immorality that our secular society has embraced.

So Doug Gil's hates...
child molesters... with a passion... with an obsessive, near maniacal zeal.

OK.

But how does he feel about apple pie? Is he for that?

Clubbing baby seals? Against it?

Other than inciting right-wing loonies who already see no value in having a judiciary in America, what's the purpose of columns like this?

Stories about judges going easy on accused child rapists or alleged perpetrators of other equally provocative crimes bring to mind two more rational explanations than the notion corrupt, evil judges have a natural affinity with baby rapists and puppy torturers:

1. Cops and/or prosecutors hyped evidence, twisted facts and overcharged to make suspects appear more vile and sinister to A.) fortify leverage to coerce plea deals B.) gen up emotional reactions from prospective jurors C.) boost the newsworthiness of the case, which helps careers.

2. If DNA evidence is involved, some mischief might have been discovered at the "crime lab."

Too many folks seem to lose interest in making sure the right person goes to prison or death row in their zeal to cut up "bad guys" with shards of dirty broken glass.

It's easy to cheer a lynch mob until one comes after you.

Child abuse
I personally believe the mother of this child should also be arrested and charged with child neglect.

It is indeed a sick society that protects such animals at the expense of children. There is simply nothing compassionate about allowing such scum to live to see another victim.

Fathers, mothers, or grandparents, if you kill one of these animals and I sit on the jury, you have nothing to worry about!

Kimberly...
Great posts!

Of course, the TH natives get restless when someone disrupts the party by speaking the truth.

jim
It amazes me that anti abortion people, those who will protest and in some cases even kill to,prevent the killing of an unborn fetus, or an 8 cell stem, will march from this occasion
to the nearwest prison . there they will change their signs, and thir outward appearance,bare their fange become mean and ferocious and scream for the blood of a convited murderer. all in ten minute or so. which is it. i know your anser . ive pretty much got it down pat. they are different. but they are both human, one would think that
as far a justifying your behavior you would have to stop using the word human in onw protest or the other. , for examople,. at abotrion clinic "stop killing humans " at the prison " hurry up and kill humans" see anything wromg there. of course not.

Are MRCMRC, Perry White, etc.........
on crack?

See reply #35

reni again reveals his (her?) ...
pathological hatred of fellow Americans holding differing views by suggesting "the liberals" are responsible for rape, pornography, illegal drug use, AIDS and herpes, crime, abortion and divorce.

If I remember correctly, the sexual revolution was bi-partisan.

MRCMRC
Since you are unable to spell simple words and unable to write in complete sentences, I don't expect you to fully understand the following, but please try. A baby is innocent. It has done nothing to deserve being deliberatey put to death. An individual who has raped, tortured, and murdered a child is not innocent. Putting such an individual to death is the only way to guarantee that he will not harm another child. If they are released, they immediately set about finding more children to abuse. They are not cured by prison time. If they are given life without parole, there is still no guarantee that they will not escape or be released in the future due to "prison overcrowding" or have their sentence commuted by some future politician with twisted values. As for calling them "human", are they really?

MRCMRC and Perry
Leave it to libdolts to defend the indefenceable.

You mean you can't see the difference between the guilty and the innocent?

What crime could a fetus possibly commit?

Where is your common sense? Because the justice system is not 100%, that is grounds for letting them all go free to rape and kill someone else?

Are you so blinded by "compassion"(sic)you can't see you have the blood of future victims on your hands?

You who advocate turning justice on its head make me sick.

Makes me wish you are one of these animals next victims!

Perry White
Molesting children is not "holding different views". It is just about the most disgusting crime imaginable. Hatred of such vile individuals is perfectly normal for anybody who considers children valuable. And why do you mention pornography, illegal drug use, AIDS, herpes, abortion and divorce? This column had nothing to do with those topics. It was about child molesters and one state's failure to adequately punish them.

What would we expect out of Vermont?
They gave us Governor Howard Dean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwODbl3muE

How about this?
A police officer told me this one. A pedophile grabbed a twelve-year-old girl and took her to rape her. The girl had martial arts training, including sharp points on her fingernails. When the pervert was dropping his drawers, the girl grabbed his scrotum, inserted her fingernails, and ripped. The pervert pulled up his pants and drove away. The girl told the police who found the pervert parked alongside the road where he bled to death.

Doug and Emily Litella...
Doug writes: "Perry White, Molesting children is not "holding different views". It is just about the most disgusting crime imaginable Hatred of such vile individuals is perfectly normal for anybody who considers children valuable. And why do you mention pornography, illegal drug use, AIDS, herpes, abortion and divorce? This column had nothing to do with those topics. It was about child molesters and one state's failure to adequately punish them. "

PW: The comment about differing views was in response to reni #59, as I made clear at the top of my post.

Generally it's best to read what people say before attacking them for saying it.

caligula
how pewrverse someone who uses the name of one of the most perverted of roman emporers defending the perverts from the left.

Are we to assume that you have benefitted from braney franks and their vile followers amongst all the dc pervert crowd.

It takes a sick person to use the name of a pervert. Obviously you fit that category

all
last i heard humans are humans. anything in the bible that contradicts that. or any other holy. book or belief? face it. you like the blood.
do you understand the consequences that happen when you cherry pick the bible looking for a way to justify one form of behaviour and then completely ignore it when trying to justify another form of moral behaviour. .

. the bible becomes useless. ask your priest or minister, or rabbi.or your mother

vermont perverts asnd molestors
by the standards of vermont it seems that if you are just a misunderstood sicko you need no worry about facing the bar of justice.

I guess the old myth of New England courage and standing up for one's self and values has become which pervert can the state next apply leniency to for committing some horrific crime.

Mt suggestion to kimbat is she emigrate to vermont. Your friends are waiting to show you how friendly they can be to the childlike and those with a child's mentality

Most Perverts are Conservative
Statistically speaking, of course. I know Giles doesn't like real stats, but there you have it.

Christians are more likely to divorce, and more likely to be pedophiles. Catholics are even worse. Not that the numbers are much different, but then again, Giles has to throw in the "San Francisco values" shtick that gets the Con's panties in such a tight wad that they resort to believing random numbers from a so-called minister who advocates killing.

Way to go, Dougie. Jesus is waiting for your explanation.

Perry White is a liberal troll
Perry, what's your posting purpose? (reply #64) Go eat some apple pie yourself and go march for the right of baby seals yourself--but just go away and take your left-wing liberal views with you. Better yet, move to Vermont so you can support the child molesters with your own maniacal zeal.

MRC
The devil quotes scripture too. He is just not that good at it.

pee wee
the sage of vt is now defending child molestors as if there were some conspiracy to punish innocents for the misdeeds of others.

You claim to be a parent. I gather from your postings you have more in common with the vile perverts investing vermont that go unpunished.

It takes a person of particularly low mental ability to celebrate one of the most vile of all posters to infest these threads. That you find a fellow traveler amongst kimbat comes as no surprise.

Birds of a feather flock together so they say. Thus we see kimbat and pee wee doting on each other's stupidity. How quaint, how charming how repulsive

inthemajority
Care to back up your lies with some facts?

Child molesters are
The SCUM of the earth and don't deserve to breath. They can't be rehabilated. I am sick and tired of hearing from those that say we have to have compassion for these POS. I would have no problem killing one of them myself.

Did anyone bother to research?
What do the following have in common? Joe Acinapura, Steven Adams, David Ainsworth, Joseph Baker, Donald Bostic, Carolyn Whitney Branagan, Patrick Brennan, William Canfield.... and about 40 others have in common? Come on, there are 50 of them in Vermont alone.

They are all Reps that should have turned their "wussy" Lib'rul state back around. They all need them some guns. Yeeee haaaaawwwww! Mission accomplished. Don't mess with Texas.

Be sure to hate everyone who is not like you, Reps. Dark-skinned people, other religions, so-called Lib'rul states. Carry your guns. Rapture is coming. All the problems are someone else's doing, and you are perfect.

What is wrong with VT ?
What wrong with Vermont ? They gave us John Dean, I think that says it all.
Some said the people of Vermont should stand up and do something, I don't think they know how. The Democrats have fooled them for so long they can't think for themselves now.
I think the only State in that area is New Hampshire.
You got a Senator in Massachusetts that will crucify a child if they are called as a witness against one of these perverts. He is vehemently against Jessica Law.

The Mother and two trolls
Mother has a lot to answer for. I don't know what she can say for herself when she meets her daughter in the afterlife.

MRCMRC can write English, he just chooses to mangle it for his own reasons. He does it all over TH.

PW goofs so often he must be doing it on purpose. So, take MRCMRC and go to your room.

Yep
Its all the fault of dem gun totin rednects that we don't have a Marxist utopia like Cuba.

We can let all the criminals out to make room for them Republicans. They are the cause of all the evil in the world.

Especially those eeevil Christians! We should draw and quarter such vermin like our mentor Vladimir Lennon.

pegwitch2 says...
"Child molesters are the SCUM of the earth and don't deserve to breath. They can't be rehabilated. I am sick and tired of hearing from those that say we have to have compassion for these POS."

PW: Who's saying that?

Say What?
I will protect my family from sex offenders aka soul killers.

This statement has nothing do do what with hating anyone.

Look in the mirror and see a hater.


What is wrong with VT ?
What wrong with Vermont ? They gave us Howard Dean, I think that says it all. (Correction)Sorry about the wrong name.
Some said the people of Vermont should stand up and do something, I don't think they know how. The Democrats have fooled them for so long they can't think for themselves now.
I think the only State in that area is New Hampshire.
You got a Senator in Massachusetts that will crucify a child if they are called as a witness against one of these perverts. He is vehemently against Jessica Law.

Hey look everybody!
Another blathering idiot like Kimberly - inthemajority!

Here in Massachusetts - arguably the most liberal state in the nation - we have judges who consistently let these animals off with a slap on the wrist, ensuring that they'll soon be out plying their perversion again.

We just had one animal arrested for diddling a little boy in a local library while he was still awaiting trial for the same charge.

inthemajority is convinced that these guys are some sort of victims - put upon by the cops, the judicial system and the media. Tell that to the 12-year-old who was buggered up the butt by that repeat offender who was let out on bail because, after all, they're people too.

If it was my kid that got buggered, that disgusting animal would be buggered up the butt with a chainsaw.

perk_88
Perk_88 observes "You got a Senator in Massachusetts that will crucify a child if they are called as a witness against one of these perverts. He is vehemently against Jessica Law."

His name is Jim Fagan (D) Taunton. Here's just one of his quotes. He was talking about children who report and testify against child molesters.

“I’m going to make sure that the rest of their life is ruined, that when they’re 8 years old, they throw up; when they’re 12 years old, they won’t sleep; when they’re 19 years old, they’ll have nightmares and they’ll never have a relationship with anybody.”

Hey Kimberly, notice the (D) next to his name?

inthemajority and his buddies
Unfortunately, he IS in the majority. Or at least, so it seems.

Edmund Burke said, ‘The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.’ Where is everyone when the Kennedys and the Feinsteins and the Pelosis and the Obamas are getting elected? What has happened to the morality of this nation that permits the immoral and the amoral to lead us into the pit? It is no more acceptable to let George Bush break countless laws than it was to give a pass to Bill Clinton. We the people need to get off our collective behinds and stand for what is RIGHT!

Doug Giles, I love you.

Wake up........
it's all about the normalization of neurotic behavior and its associated paraphilias, aka LGBT sexual behavior. Why else would the liberal trolls be here defending such psychopathic behavior? Absent massive civil disobedience to prevent the further codification of fraud into the ALIMPC by neurotic legal and medical professionals, I see a high probability of civilized society embarking on the same path as incarcerated individuals that find a pedophile in their midst.

Hey look everybody!
Bob_C cannot read! No really, with all that education in a Lib'rul state, Bob_C cannot be bothered to read a few simple sentences. Here's the "blathering idiot" Bob making stuff up, just like Giles:

"inthemajority is convinced that these guys are some sort of victims - put upon by the cops, the judicial system and the media. Tell that to the 12-year-old who was buggered up the butt by that repeat offender who was let out on bail because, after all, they're people too."

Wash you hands, Bobby, because that's a nice load a crap pulled directly from your sphincter. I agree that sex offenders should be treated with the full force of the law. So where does an idiot like Bob_C get the idea that my comments about Giles' lies have anything to do with his blathering idiocy? Did he go to some Conservative university?

I spoke with a friend yesterday about his childhood. His father-in-law, a former minister (cough) was teaching music in several religious schools, and was bounced around BECAUSE THEY KNEW HE WAS A PEDOPHILE! My friend was abused by his uber-Conservative, ultra-religious gather-in-law, and the Catholic school system let his get away with it. True story, and yes this was just yesterday in the coffee shop.

Darn Catholics. Darn Conservatives. Why are they all the same? Why does the Conservative, Catholic church and all of its members coddle the pedophiles? Why do we have to put up with these members of society that allow this to happen? Send in the Giles.

Sorry... I went into Giles mode and placed all blame on one sorry section of society. Maybe Bob_C can understand what I'm getting at, but I seriously doubt it.

Trend?
The most liberal states appear to be fine with allowing child molesters to commit the same crimes over and over again. Liberal politicians, liberal states, liberal judges equates to child molesters high recitivism rates.

Isn't it the political left that tells us how tolerant we should be of "alternate" (read perverted) lifestyles. Isn't it a verifiable fact that NAMBLA and homosexual rights groups align themselves with the political left?

Here are some facts: The Family Research Institute has a study that shows 33% of homosexuals admitting to perversions with underage children. It is a fact that NAMBLA's battlecry is, "Get 'em before they're eight or it's too late". 73% of male homosexuals admit to sex with boys under age 19 (SF Chronicle 1992). It is a fact that homosexuals actively recruit into their "lifestyle" (read perversion) thus we hear the cry of "10% (also a fallacy)is not enough recruit, recruit, recruit!

Enough said, I have never considered eugenics of any real value but with the perversion and victimization of our children on this scale it's giving me pause.

Oh, and before I forget, "inthemajority" I want to say to you that I detest liberal republicans as much if not more than liberal democrats. In fact I think leftists of any type unworthy of the label "HUMAN".

Poor inthemajority
Apparently I touched a nerve.

Methinks you hissy too much.

I don't care if your
liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican. If you harm a child torch them!

Got it?

This isn't about politics this about civilization.

Information about Jury Nullification

Our first Chief Justice, John Jay, told jurors: "You have a right to take upon yourselves to judge both the facts and law."

In 1805, one of the charges against Justice Samuel Chase in his impeachment trial was that he wrongly prevented an attorney from arguing to a jury that the law need not be followed. The case concerned the charge of treason, the court ruled the jury decides, not the judge or the legislature.

Keep that in mind the next time you serve on a Jury.

And also remember that if you are the defendant in the trial.

Would you like to be judged by a group of people who were treated like trash, like criminals, as they were called for jury duty, then waited around to be called.

Yes I hear that the pain of jury duty is being improved, but under our Legal system, created by and for the wallet and ego of the lawyers, it still is not a Justice System

Convict the guilty, acquit the innocent, and shoot the lawyers who get a guilty person acquitted, or an innocent person convicted.

And don’t tell me that friends don’t let friends plead guilty to DUI. If you were drunk, you better be punished, or the lawyer must be killed.


inthemajority
I understand the liberal states are such a utopia and all, perhaps you can explain why so many are leaving the heaven states to re-locate in the hades (the other word is banned) states like this one.

We are also aware all the perverts in the world are in the church, and the church advocates such behavior.

The strawmen and red herrings are beginning to stink up the place.

I think old Jim Fagen needs a taste of Bob C's chainsaw!

I have only one question ...
to ask of the judges and politicians and liberal people of Vermont: What's on your computer?

Bob_C in post #93 includes a quote
suggesting Rep. Jim Fagan, a Democrat, wants to hurt victims of child rape by ruthlessly putting them through brutal cross examinations.

The reverse is true. See for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq-NJ1YQu8M

Fagan is arguing in his speech against enacting draconian punishments that would compel defense lawyers to vigorously attack the testimony of children accusing their clients of sex crimes.

It's the same argument some child-protection and other social organizations made to the U.S. Supreme Court recently urging the court to reject Louisiana's child-rape death penalty.

But none of that really matters here, does it. Bob_C got to portray a Democratic lawmaker as the champion of child molesters and throw the TH lynchmob more red meat.

Trolls
Mr. Giles states that Vermont refuses to prosecute pedophiles as strictly as most other states. Do you disagree with this as a fact? If so, you are wrong, it is true. Do you disagree with Giles when he states that it is a mistake to restore pedophiles to the general population? If you care to discuss the subject at hand, state your positions, please. This red herring, ad hominem, out of context vituperation is just meaningless blather. You either agree that pedophiles deserve more leniency and understanding, or that they are too coddled. Which is it?

Jim writes...
"If you were drunk, you better be punished, or the lawyer must be killed."

PW: Do you have any control over how extreme and absurd you allow yourself to get?

Are you aware at all of the work by any of the numerous "innocence projects" in operation around the country?

Your child like faith in cops and prosecutors is touching, but fact is they get it wrong fairly often.

my problem with this column
"My compassion begins and ends with the tiny, defenseless molested kid."

You can all call me whatever names you want but my compassion goes farther than the molested kid. Giles fantasy regarding the death of humans (yes, they are still humans as despicable as child rapists and murderers are) is pretty twisted and seems to be a pattern in his columns. My compassion would extend to the parents and family of the rapist. I am picturing the mother or father of the murdered rapist in Gile's fantasy hearing the news of what happened to their son. They may or may not have known their son's sick ways but they deserve some compassion in what would be a horrific time in their lives learning both the horrific story of their son raping and/or murdering an innocent child and also learning of the horrific death of their own child, who despite what others may want to believe is probably still loved by the parents. As I am writing this, I am thinking back to the stories about how the Amish community treated the family of the man that murdered people in their community a few years ago. I realize this is not the most eloquently written post but I hope that I have communicated some of what disturbs me about Gile's column and many of the posts here.

So PW
Good ole Jim is pushing his own red herring to advocate letting the guilty of these heinous crimes go free.

More of the same by the liberal establishment. Pardon the vermin and punish the victim.

Why worry?
In the not too distant future, insignificant arguments between "Good Christians and "Proud Liberals" will be a thing of the past, a quaint memory. Silly of us to argue over which party dominates the politics of perversion. Islamic extremists have the answer, and they're gleefully anticipating the opportunity to shove Sharia down our throats. ALL criminals will then receive punishment in the name of Allah.

As our culture becomes ever more "liberal" and our politicians, courts and academics push the country further left toward a sea of socialism;
we will soon be to weak to resist. How long before PC demands "diversity" such as this in the U.S.? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031784/Schoolboys -punished-detention-refusing-kneel-pray-Allah.html

And how long will it be until this happens in America?
http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/news/judge-considers-uk-role-fo r-sharia-law-18669537.html



lolo1 writes...
"I don't care if your liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican. If you harm a child torch them! Got it?

This isn't about politics this about civilization."

PW: I bet you aren't at all aware of the clearly unintentional humor embeded in this post.

Read it again!!


Perry White
Location: MO
Reply # 105
Date: Jul 6, 2008 - 1:15 PM EST
Subject: Jim writes...
"If you were drunk, you better be punished, or the lawyer must be killed."

=============

I said "If you were drunk … … …"

I did not say if you were accused of being drunk.

Nothing about you or your background, or the way you were raised, must have anything to do with the trial to see if you were guilty.

All of that can and must be considered when your punishment is being determined.

But most lawyers start out with the idea that this person must be convicted, or this person must be found guilty.

Both sides of the lawyers must ask, is he/she guilty??



saltydog says...
"So PW, Good ole Jim is pushing his own red herring to advocate letting the guilty of these heinous crimes go free.

More of the same by the liberal establishment. Pardon the vermin and punish the victim."

PW: Are you genuinely confused or willfully stupid. There's no third alternative.

Pee Wee
Fagan said what was on his mind, he believes what he said and in fact has not one ounce of compassion for the victims of these crimes. He's a flipping lawyer, the same kind of scum that we elect to political office. He doesn't give a rats behind about anything but his paycheck. He doesn't have to live with the victim and the subsequent repercussions.

Lynchmob on TH? As opposed to what, the lynchmob of leftists on the evening news, KOS, or DU? Most of the posters on this site are conservatives who want to see child molesters get what they are due, the harshest possible penalty. The leftist trolls on this site are defending child molesters and making excuses. In fact they use the standard liberal tactic of accusing everyone else of what they themselves are defending and excusing, if not doing themselves.

The inescapable fact is that child molesters get to molest children over and over again in liberal states. Penalities in liberal states are nowhere near severe enough for this crime.

Pee Wee Perry White
Bet they didn't.

Your so busy trying to be clever, and failing at it, that intellect flew over your head so fast that it parted your hair down the middle.

You should change your handle to the Great Pretender since you pretend to be smart.

ca--what disturbs me
You are trying to "outcompassion" us.

Sure, the parents of a rapist must feel bad.

If the pervert hurts my kid, he's still dead.


Re: the parents of a pervert-- I'm sure they will be relieved that he/she cannot harm a child again.


True compassion means removing this human aberration from the earth so they do not kill, rape, molest, or torture again.


Jim writes...
"I said "If you were drunk … … …" I did not say if you were accused of being drunk."

PW: You still don't get it, Jim. I suggested your views seem extreme because you advocate killing lawyers based on the outcome of trials.

ca
While your busy feeling for the parents of these monsters, remember these parents failed at parenting. Remember that the victims also have parents and loved ones that will forever live and have to find a way to cope with the horrible manner in which their loved one died.

Anyone who proposes mercy for a pedophile or rapist because of the rapist's family, feels too much and thinks too little.

Vermont v. South Carolina
There was a case in Lugoff, South Carolina where a man kidnapped a fourteen-year-old, held her in a bunker, and raped her repeatedly. He was later sentenced to spend four hundred twenty-one years of being rented out by the Aryan Brotherhood for packs of cigarettes.

Vermont would have given him a medal.

It is crystal clear
Look back through the posts. Conservatives are outraged by the horrible death of this child. We are at a loss as to why these people are allowed to roam free when it is well-documented that they cannot be "cured."

The libs, on the other hand, tried to turn it into a political issue or they tried to obfuscate by turning the subject away from a child who was raped, murdered, and buried in a shallow grave. That is what they do because they know they cannot "win" any other way. In their efforts to look so above it all, they simply look callous and uncaring of the victim.

All I can say is forgetting the innocent victims is something that liberals seem to do very well in their rush to protect perps.

PW
Simply calling em as I see em. A spade a spade.

There is no gray area on this issue that I can see. There is no excuse in child rape period.

Those who sexually assault children have forfeited their right to live in a free society.

What, pray tell, is ignorant about that?

Kathleen
Parents of monsters should feel bad in my opinion.

Parents of monsters should feel bad
Agree

Re: Child rapists
Tall tree



Short rope


Nuff said.

Re: Child rapists
tall tree

Short rope

'Nuff said

Child rapists
vermont needs to castrate such individuals before they commit such heinious crimes

Pee Wee perry
The town hall "mob" would love to get a hold of you for a couple of days.

pee wee
how long have you been defending child moilestors to know of their vast innocence. Or is it you are also a child molestor who thinks no crime has been committed

Lolo1, Kathleen
Are you parents yourselves?

How long do you hold parents responsible for their kids' behavior? When they're 21? How about 18-the law for adulthood in most circumstances in most states? 35?

I do not agree that every perp that has a problem has one primarily because of his parents. At some point, he is both morally and legally responsible for his own decisions, regardless of how he was raised. What you imply is that even good parents "should" have been able to see/prevent the decline. You're kidding, right?

As a parent myself to a young man who after all we did to try to bring him back, decided on his own to reject the Biblical values we tried to instill, I resent that you would hold me responsible for his choices.

Aliveinhim
I don't hold parents responsible for everything their grown children do. At some point we all have to take responsibility for our own actions. I commiserate with you and I will pray for your son.

I would think we all would feel bad ,though, at the bad choices they sometimes make.

I am the mother of two grown children and the grandmother of four.

Alive In Him
I would not hold you legally responsible but I would not absolve you of any guilt you might feel due to his acts, nor would I let a perp off because it might cause pain to his parents and family members. To everything there is a ripple, and any guilt the parents and family may feel is between them and God. I agree at some point in time a child is an adult and completely responsible for their actions.

I am truly sorry about your child but remember where there is life there is hope.

BTW yes I am a parent.

Demand
Gay, lesbian, transsexual, and pedophilia sex are all perverse and sex with sex as an end within itself. There is certainly more of heterosexual persons than there are of the perverse. The despicable left wing propaganda machine known as the main stream media are trying to convince us that the perverse is all normal and just like the rest. It's up to parents and and the rest of us to demand that the lawyers wearing black must answer to us rather that the perverse among us. We must not stand for the courts and the lawyers to run this country. It is we the people that must stand up for our rights to live in a moral and just country. We have let "law" after "law" be passed establishing homosexuals as a separate and equal race of people. When we the people decide that enough is enough and demand that the oligarchy of lawyers wearing black step down off of their thrones and stop them from ruling over us then we will be better able to protect ourselves and our children from the perverse.

saltydog asks...
There is no gray area on this issue that I can see. There is no excuse in child rape period.
Those who sexually assault children have forfeited their right to live in a free society. What, pray tell, is ignorant about that?"

PW: What's ignorant about that is you're arguing with yourself. Nobody's arguing for excusing child rape but you.

If you can't read and comprehend, I can't help you.

cactushead writes...
"pee wee, how long have you been defending child moilestors to know of their vast innocence."

PW: How long have you had a problem with reading comprehension?

Kathleen
Thank you! :) Yes, I spent a lot of time beating myself with my own stick before finally realizing that I was not responsible for his deciding to go his own way. It does hurt to seem him jeopardizing his future but it is also out of our hands, now. As to the case at hand, I agree with you, Lolo1 and the others completely. I should have made that clear right away.


AliveInHim get a grip
The column from Doug Giles was about the men who perpetrated a terrible crime on a child. It's not about YOU or your parenting skills or how bad the parents of a child molester might feel.
It is facinating to see how far afield people are willing to take a straight forward issue. You know the one about the proper punishment for the raping, murdering pedophiles. Remember that one people?
It's not about Republicans or Democrats or punishing innocent people. It's about protecting children from raping, murdering pedophiles.
Amazing how many people use a tragic situation such as murder and pedophilia as a springboard for their own agenda and make the issue about themselves instead of a raped and murdered child and the punishment that should follow. Have you posters who have changed the subject to suit your needs no shame?
Probably not. You'll be back doing the same thing tomorrow.

This tread pretty well illustrates...
the inclinations that prompt ultra cons to believe "liberal media bias" exists.

Ultra cons accuse posters who don't dance around the tribal fires (enthusiastically coming up with creative new ways to torture or kill those accused of molesting children) is therefore viewed as advocating molestation.

It's the sme way with the media bias myth. TV news people who don't mouth conservative talking points are accused of siding with liberals.

It's the ole "for us or against us" thing. The notion of objectivity and unvarnished facts are simply too nuanced and threatening for TH folks to handle.

Victims' rights NOT perverts' rights
As usual, lefties blame evil Republicans and Christians for all the ills that befall the world. Is it possible for them to take a look at a serious problem and get to the heart of it without politicizing it? Pedophiles are perverts who hide behind the courts, the (yeah, here it comes) left-wing ACLU, the US Supreme Court (5/4) & lefty judges who choose to coddle & protect the villains while disregarding the rights of the victims. Many victims rights advocates have cited the Mass. legislator who ranted that he would ruin the life of any child victim who dared face his molester to try to get justice. Does that fool have any idea what the child has been through already and what it takes for him/her just to confront the attacker in court? Possibly, but he doesn't care. Far too many elected "officials" are more concerned with the rights of criminals than those of victims because they are hearing the likes of "inthemajority" & Kimberpeebrain who are more vocal & more threatening, plus it's easier to court voters whose IQ's are smaller than their shoe size. Yeah: the anti-capitol punishment crowd are vocal about protecting the rights of mass murderers & child-rapists, saying capital punishment is murder yet at the same time they promote partial- birth abortion (a form of murder). Child molesters give up their rights when they do the CRIME.

pee wee
you continue to live in the delusional world that you are somehow the final arbotor on life and that you know more than anyone else.

But then again being a leftist you lack the ability to beyond you own shallow understanding of life. In your world you seem to believe nobody but victims exist and you and your fellow trolls must rally to their defense

Society would be better served when all child molestors are locked awayso they can no longer prey upon the innocent. Professionals maintain there is no cure for these vermin and still the libs believe they can rehabilitated just as they assure there is no cure for those who are gay

Gayle
FYI I was responding to a point made earlier that the parents of a perp should be held morally if not legally responsible for the way he turns out.

I responded saying no, not necessarily. I stand by that, and used my personal example only in making the point that even good parents can have kids go wrong and should not necessarily carry guilt over it.

That you took it as a play for sympathy is unfortunate, but that wasn't my goal.

I'm all for a slow and painful physical castration, since the DP is now off the table for child molesters/rapists/killers. Heaven help the basterd who tries anything with my kids. He'll be DRT if I can manage it.

child rapists
child rapists should be burned at the stake or hung, give me five minutes with him and you wont need to lock him up

PW
"Nuanced and threatening"? The very idea that those terms are used in a sentence describing the left-wing media is a complete idiocy. The leftist media have no problem jamming their corrupt PC views down anyones throat, at least those of us stupid enough to actually watch their wretched attempts at restructuring society in the socialist mold.

Why is it, do you think, that the major networks and newspapers are facing continuous ratings and circulation problems? Even the lemmings that have faithfully watched years of socialist propaganda spewed forth from their TVs and newspapers can't buy the crap anymore.

As for your arrogance and obvious air of superiority, it is as of yet unsupported by a single argument worthy of debate. You are just another tiny little mind in a sea of socialist rhetoric and propaganda. Your so-called intelligence is a vile regurgitation of the crap we can all see on DU and KOS. You come to this forum thinking that someone will actually buy your poorly constructed arguments just because some leftist elite told you it was smart to think this way.

You missed the central point. Is Vermont too lenient with pedophiles? Anyone that rapes and/or kills children needs to removed from the gene pool permanently, if that includes your homosexual friends so be it.

Oh Kimberly... be careful what you post.
"Another Democrat chief arrested in satanic torture"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68601

"Victims allegedly shackled to beds, raped, locked in cages without food"

"Diana Palmer, 1st vice chair of the Durham Co. Democratic Party turns herself in. (courtesy WRAL-TV)

"The North Carolina case of an alleged satanic torture involving a Democratic Party official and her husband has now expanded to include a third suspect, an even higher-ranking Democrat."

Read on... there's more...........

Norm asks...
"Why is it, do you think, that the major networks and newspapers are facing continuous ratings and circulation problems?"

PW: I happen to know a lot about the numerous reasons for declining ratings and circulation, and none of the ones you suggest is among them.

But I'll spare myself the frustration of trying to inform someone who clearly isn't interested in learning anything that might conflict with rigidly held opinions he's determined to defend at all costs.

In other words, at the risk of sounding like a typical TH poster, you're an inflexible, authoritarian moron and simply not worth the time or effort.

Potato Peelers as Punishment

The best punishment for child molesters I have heard of is to lock the creep in a room with the families of his victims, who happen to be armed with potato peelers.

And salt.

I'm with raj
Although the libs will continue telling anyone who wants to listen, "It's the law, and no one can take the law into their own hands"; there is also a clause in the Constitution that basically says anything not specificially the responsibility of Congress is reserved for the people. If we hunt til we find them and kill them all, we'll eventually get all of the libs, pedaphiles, and activist judges. Save the taxpayers a lot of money, the prosecutors a lot of manhours, and the child molesters from using up air better saved for folks intelligent enough to breed.

Hey, Anne...
Devil-worshiping sex cults can't be much fun if all the people in them look like the three that got arrested.

I LOVE the Sound of it!
Sounds better and better EVERY TIME I READ IT!!!

AliveInHim
Although I've never been a parent myself, I can certainly commisserate with your grief over having a son stray from a right path. In my own church - which is a Biblically solid one, too, not one of these apostate "mainline" churches - I have all too many fellow parishioners, of unimpeachable Christian integrity, who have a story just like yours. One woman I know, in fact, has three sons, all of whom have badly strayed from the teachings of their mother and are a source of constant heartache to her.

I do agree, that after a certain point, people are responsible for their own acts, REGARDLESS of how they were raised. SOME parents clearly ARE negligent and utterly irresponsible in their kids' upbringing: the parents of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, the Colombine killers, come immediately to mind. For such people, in times past, they would have to bear a stigma of shame in their communities. Unfortunately, the society we live in today has become one which makes excuses for any and every kind of outrage. Our society simply does not support or really even value the family anymore - and we're seeing the result.

The Lord, however, DOES make a promise of restoration of straying children to parents: read Isaiah 49:14-26. That is your hope and promise, AliveInHim.

PW
What you did not respond to says more about you than all of the bilge you've spouted today. As far as saving yourself the frustration goes, you just do that.

What you have said here today has been thorughly discredited and roundly invalidated.

What you have done is sided with pedophiles, you are unworthy of further responses.

As I remember back to the '70s
most of the people who seemed to want to be involved in "swingers' clubs" were usually paunchy and unattractive.

A very good reason why the trend died out long before AIDS scared everyone straight.

Goes under the category of TMI about the neighbor down the street.

Something "strange" about peewee

Psychologically, the RAGE expressed by Giles and the majority of the posters, is perfectly NORMAL.

Yet peewee dances around the issue like he might have something he......

And, say what you will about O'Reilly...

But O'Reilly has, almost single handed gone after not only the child rapists, but the judges and legislators in VT, and helped to push Jessica's Law in most states.

I'm betting O'Reilly would like to have a chat with peewee... hahahaha

Anne writes...
"I'm betting O'Reilly would like to have a chat with peewee... hahahaha"

PW: O'Reilly's a punk. And I'd be delighted to have a "chat" with him any time.

Ahh peewee... but you haven't addressed

just how eerily strange... abnormal even... your reaction is to such a vile act as child rape.

You got something to hide???


O'Reilly's a punk? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

He'd have YOU in tears before the interview started!

castrate a gangrenous sexuality
Pedophilia is incurable at the present state of knowledge. Ask those psychiatrists who testify otherwise to put their own children in a "cured" pedophile's care.

In addition, studies have shown that there are many more victims than the cases that go to court, with convicted pedophiles admitting to a hundred or more child assaults for every one on which they're nailed.

The fallout for abused children in the long range is horrendous, with some never recovering psychological health and dying of suicide or slow suicide through drugs and alcohol. The fact that pedophiles are slow motion killers should not excuse them from accountability.

If people don't have the stomach for capital punishment, then the only alternatives that will protect innocents instead of the guilty are a) locking the pedophile up for life or b) giving him the choice of having himself castrated (surgically, not chemically) if he wants to live free again.

When someone's sexuality cannot be expressed without harm to another, especially a child, then the sexuality needs to be extinguished or the entire person contained.

It is quite possible to live a successful and constructive life without sex whatever one's orientation, so castration is not cruel and unusual punishment but the correct management for the pedophile's disease.

Anne writes...
"Psychologically, the RAGE expressed by Giles and the majority of the posters, is perfectly NORMAL. Yet peewee dances around the issue like he might have something he......"

PW: More demagoguery from Anne, the official TH office well poisoner.

About once a week every week for the last 20 years or so there's been a story in the media about priests molesting children.

Every other month or so for the last four or five decades there's a story about children being sexually abused by adults.

Maintaining a constant state of "rage" over such periods of time is anything but normal... and at some point becomes a grandstanding contest in which folks like some of those posting today compete for the most-incensed-poster prize.

It's the sort of thing Bill Maher correctly calls fake outrage.

At some point reasonable people acknowledge terrible things sometimes happen to children, feel compassion and sympathy for the victims and their families and follow news reports in the hope the offenders are removed from society.

The rest of it, including all the theatrics and gory retribution fantasies, is mostly just for show.

Vermont
Amen to the article

Anne says of O'Reilly...
"He'd have YOU in tears before the interview started! "

PW: Anne, your hero worship is showing. You're such an authoritarian.

O'Reilly's a parody of himself... an obnoxious blowhole.

By the way, do you call him "papa bear" as does one of your TH brethern?

kindel: YOU ARE SPOT ON!

My only opposition would be that all paedophilias be locked up for LIFE, and no option b.

And, anyone such as John Couey's family who not only did NOT turn him in, but aided and abetted his heinous act, should also do LIFE.



peewee points out Maher???

Bill Maher??? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Sorry. I apologize. I just couldn't help myself... Bill Maher.. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

What you're trying to say is that you expect people to be "desensitized" by the ongoing vile, reprehensible behavior of rapists... and what's worse, child rapists.

Well, thank GOD, normal people are NOT "desensitized" by such vile behavior.

YOU, peewee, on the other hand, sound more and more as though YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE!

Card carrying member of NAMBLA perhaps???



Perry "PeeWee" White
PeeWee claims: "It's the sort of thing Bill Maher correctly calls fake outrage."

Bill maher is, like you, dedicated to the proposition that government is God and can do no wrong. Never mind that government sucks up out of the economy one in every three dollars produced in America. (And you thought health care was expensive?)

In addition, it takes three dollars out of four to provide the services for which the tax dollars are intended. The rest is spent on debt service, pensions, and bureaucracy.

Government is no different in protecting its citizens. When seconds count, the police are there in minutes. When animals molest children, we're stuck with the likes of Jim Fagen.

Anne insinuates...
"YOU, peewee, on the other hand, sound more and more as though YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE! Card carrying member of NAMBLA perhaps???"

PW: Nah. I'm about as hetero as it gets.

In fact, I'm especially attracted to b!tchy ultra-con women who wear fur coats, drive SUVs and play rough with liberals.

peewee: So you prefer little girls...

like John Couey???? Not surprised!

Rough you say? Not even close. You haven't seen anything.

In fact, I'm just batting you around like a cat would bat around a DEAD MOUSE.

But I wouldn't step in front of my SUV if I were you... (And btw, it's not just a fur, it's a mink!)

Bob_C says...
"Bill maher is, like you, dedicated to the proposition that government is God and can do no wrong."

PW: Actually Bill Maher and I do hold similar views, but neither of us think much of government. We're libertarians.

Perry
Here in Massachusetts, we citizens who're stopped for a traffic infraction are ticketed, arrested, have our cars impounded, or combinations of the above. Illegal aliens, NON CITIZENS, however are let go. Why? Because the AAC (affirmative action cops) know that the wetbacks won't show up for court and it's just not worth the effort to do the paperwork.

In the time that it's taken for 4000 military KIAs in the war on terror, over 30,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens.

Liberalism is perfect for those who don't work, are habitual offenders, or are Democrats. Those of us who're concerned about our children, our rights and our property are taking second place to illegals, activist judges and halfwits like you, who care more about the "rights" of child molesters and illegals than the victims.

Dems and repubs
Of course Republican perverts should be scrutinized. Republicans are the party with moral standards. A Democratic sicko is just engaging in an alternative lifestyle.

Now, c'mon. If one's sexual expression is the ultimate pursuit of happiness, why should anyone be mad at those Catholic priests who came close to bankrupting their dioceses with their legal troubles? If we weren't such a Puritan society, those guys would be brave pioneers initiating the young into wonderful things--only a "Puritan" society turned their young playmates against the beautiful, "Jesus-like" thing going on.

There. Don't I sound like a liberal from eight years down the pike?

Perry White
Libertarians? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You're about as libertairian as Al Gore.

Snork, Snicker. Smirk.

Anne probes further...
"peewee: So you prefer little girls..."

PW: Nope. I'm into older women... cougars, like you... and Mountain Rose.

Giles, Instead of capitaizing on this
opinionated article... Why not begin scheduling some self-defence classes right now. In Vermont. For these kids. Cause it is lkely you won't be having any. Why waste such precious time? They need you NOW.

Love your vile language, too.

Right peewee: Spoken like a little twerp

who gets turned down by a street corner hooker.



Truly care?
Put your money where your mouth is, Giles.


Do something to help such kids.


Go with 9mm
Great article Doug, way to stand up on your hind legs like a Christian with gusto and let 'er rip.

But for that gash in the perp's skull, go with 9mm instead of 8mm. Nine is fine for a pistol, but 8's a bit small and also quite rare. The French had an 8mm military pistol and we know how well that didn't work out. Only 8mm firearms I know of nowadays are hunting rifles and they're a tad too large for little girls to carry about concealed.
http://gunnutsrus.blogtownhall.com/

Anne slashes...
"Right peewee: Spoken like a little twerp who gets turned down by a street corner hooker."

PW: That the best you got? I'm disappointed.

BTW: Street corner hookers turn peop down?... I did not know that.

How did you know that?



peewee: Assuming everyone has some

standards... probably even street corner hookers. And it's not a stretch that you don't even reach theirs.

Bye. :-)





Child Murderer and thier Advocates
Dear Doug Gile,

As a person who has spent over 30 years working with children, it is refreshing to hear someone finally taking a common sense approach to child molesting. Why do we allow our most precious treasure, the future of our country and all that is worth living for, become secondary to the rights of villians and cretins whose worthlessness is only surpassed by thier ugly actions. We need to make them fear us, but the false prophets of liberality allow them to punish families and friends of these victims with impunity.

Thank you, Doug, for setting the record straight.

Rowdy Boots

Pedophilia IS curable
I know this is not a popular position, but modern techniques, including the use of medication, can cure pedophilia and a number of other paraphilia. I am not arguing for light sentences or leniency, just for the fact that the mental condition is curable.

A normal person's age of sexual attraction changes as they grow older. So there is nothing unnatural or unexpected about a person's age of attraction changing. Pedophilia is a developmental disorder where the patient gets "stuck" at a certain point in his development, and is attracted to children in that age group. So all the doctor has to do is help to get their normal development restarted.

Not all sex-crimes against children are committed by pedophiles (people whose primary sexual attraction is children). Many are psychopaths or sadists who target children because they are easy to control. And not all pedophiles assault children. Many simply have pathetic lonely existences where their sexual desires are never fulfilled because their consciences won't allow it (and yes they do have consciences).

It is important that the pedophiles reading this article know that there is effective treatment. It does not require that the patient give up sex. In fact, successful patients go on to have much more enjoyable sex lives, since children were not designed for sex and adults were. And medical confidentiality laws will protect your privacy, you will not be put on a registry. But if you wait until after you offend, everybody will know, including your fellow inmates.

So, if you are sexually attracted to children, get treatment BEFORE you hurt someone and ruin your life.

I know I will be attacked for this post, but I care more about PREVENTING these attacks than about coming up with new and inventive ways to torture rapists. The USDOJ is currently making plans to advertise these treatments, and basically make the same case I am making.

What a brave position
I get sick of people boldly announcing that they hate child molesters, drunk drivers, and racists, and love helping the homeless, puppies and rainbows. Then they act like they have taken a tough stand on a controversial issue. As if anyone is going to challenge their position!

Real solutions need more than just poseurs and "punishment porn".

cleveness of me
advising someone to get help before you hurt someone and ruin your life is a very odd way to advise someone to seek help

What of perverts and molesters ruining their victims lives.Obviously you are acquainted with someone who is guilty of such a heinous crime to advocate such an idea.

But those involved in counseling maintain this disease is untreatable and thus your ideas seem contrary to accepted treatment plans. I wonder why you are are advocatin it here or do you assume a political site is a hangout for such perverts

cleverness of me
The most economical and effective treatement for pedophilia is a small piece of lead. 9 mm hollow point is pretty effective, administered intra-cranially at close range. Guaranteed no recidivism.

I am a peace-loving, mild-mannered fellow who doesn't even hunt because I don't want to injure rather than kill. But anyone who harms a child manages to escape any of my abundant compassion. I have never killed a man. But I've made one child abuser wish I had. And I'd do it again without hesitation. They have broken the social agreement by which human-kind has survived all these millenia. Maybe God will have mercy on their souls. Nobody I know will.

lib double standard again
It's interesting how the same intellectually incoherent people (on the left) insist that gayness cannot be changed or "cured" (true) but suddenly in the case of pedophilia which is another variant of psychosexual attachment to someone other than an opposite sex adult, the claim is that it can be cured with "medicine" and therapy (untrue). It can be masked or suppressed temporarily but again, ask the psychiatrist to guarantee his work by exposing his own children to such a patient without supervision....and you won't have many takers.

And the theory espoused above that pedophiles get stuck in a childhood developmental stage is arguable at best, hogwash at worst. Most kids do not look on their playmates as sexual objects, despite the best efforts of dinosaur Freudians to propagate this myth among many others.

cactushead
Allow me to clarify.

Obviously I have tremendous sympathy for the victims of childhood sexual abuse. I believe in harsh punishment for child rape.

You assert that "those involved in counselling maintain that the disease in untreatable". But that is based on old and ineffective treatment methods, and a couple studies that got a ton of press but have been proven inaccurate. Usually when I see bad science it disguises itself as "consensus", thus avoiding the actual data.

It often takes a pedophile years to reach the point where he (or she) assaults a child. Would you rather that they keep it to themselves and remain ticking time-bombs, or get professional help?

I am advocating this position here because this article probably attracted some pedophiles.

And finally, as I stated previously, my position is that of the US Department of Justice, which is preparing a major ad campaign to encourage treatment BEFORE committing an offense. Treat the sickness, punish the crimes. That is a sensible approach to this problem.

cleverness of me
Mr.light has the solution.
You are a total jack-butt
You are either childless or have zero common sense.

They are NOT curable.

no parole, death for death
Part of the problem is the gender bias concerning child sex offenders.
There is a serious lack of perspective and terrible and dangerous assumptions made when it comes to child molesters.
For the record: gender and sexual orientation are not indicators.
Prejudice serves nothing, and still keeps our streets unsafe for young people.

Here is my absolute belief on how to handle sex offenders.

Sex offenders of ANY stripe should be put away forever. NO PAROLE!
If they commit a murder in the commission of the sex offense: yes, the death penalty.

Then there wouldn't be so much need of Jessica's law, Megan's law, Amber's law, et al.

Be careful though, that you understand the role of sound judgment for harsh punishment.
I can see Doug Giles already incites the worst prejudice all over again and is clearly irresponsible in that regard.

I'm just curious, can ANYONE here name a sex club for grown men and little girls?

BTW, I work in Los Angeles as a forensic photographer, I know of what I speak.

kimberly
They are gone stupid. But Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy are still there. Oh! I'm sorry ! Ted only left a woman on the bottom of a river and didn't report it for a few days.

Mary, Madelaine Murray O'hare was so perverted she got her Granddaughter killed. You libs are SICK!!!!

Kindel
First off, I am not a liberal. I am a conservative, which to me means ignoring media hype and hysteria and following the data. It certainly does not mean poisoning the well, as many of the responses have tried to do to me.

Gender of attraction is a huge deal, which IS extraordinarily difficult (but not impossible) to change. Age of attraction is much less so, since a man can marry his high-school sweetheart and still find her attractive 50 years later. And when she passes on he will find himself attracted to women in his own age group.

I still advocate caution in dealing with former offenders. They ought not be scoutmasters or be left alone with children. If they were seeking out such a position I would question whether they were cured.

Phallometric testing has verified that most men who tested as having a primary attraction to children no longer have that attraction after treament. That is not opinion. Recidivism rates are actually very low for pedophiles, between 12-20% (Bussiere and Hanson). A USDOJ study found that of all the sex-offenders released in 1994, a mere 3% had re-offended by 1997.

And a pedophile's concept of sex is very often similar to the "sex-play" engaged in by children, involving non-penetrative acts. The most violent cases we hear about in the press are usually committed by psychopaths, not pedophiles.

I AM NOT DEFENDING THE BEHAVIOR! It is evil and horrific. I am trying to prevent it from ever happening by getting these men to get the help they need, which they won't do if all they hear is that there is no hope for them.

It saddens me that people are so determined that deviant sexual attractions cannot be cured that no evidence will ever convince them. This attitude will only allow sick minds to go untreated and continue to degenerate until some child is victimized and scarred for life.

for Perry White
Fagan's argument is garbage. Just like your arguments.

Every other defense attorney who was asked about this, said the same thing: Any defense attorney who would badger a young child witness in court would end up so prejudicing the jury that he would lose the case on that basis.

Mr. Fagan is creating a strawman--that a defense attorney can get away with badgering a child witness in the face of the prosecution vigorously objecting and in the face of the judge threatening to hold the defense attorney in contempt of court. Badgering a witness is a risky tactic even with an adult witness. With a young child, it's going to backfire.

Mr. Fagan doesn't know what he's talking about.
Neither do you.

http://tinyurl.com/5has42

Katy
90% of what "everybody knows" is absolute BS. The way to know for sure if it is BS is to measure the anger level when the concept is challenged. The angrier the response, the less likely it is to be true.

See: Global Warming, Evolution, the superior kindness and intellect of liberals, etc. All BS, and all defended using anger and "consensus" rather than actual data.

Our Courts, Decisions that are beyond st
I believe anyone who rapes a child or an old lady should be casterated and left to bleed to death. In the case of a child it shapes their entire life after an assult.
Our society is so worried about being fair, they go to far protecting a criminal. A rapist never changes, I believe that is a proven fact.
They deserve nothing, they take away a childs innoncence and leave them with fear.

Mr. Right
What about the guy who is attracted to kids but has yet to assault one? Would you shoot him? If so why, since he has violated no law or "social covenant"?

I am advocating for treatment for those who have deviant attractions, but have yet to act on them. And there are a lot of them. Why does this offend you so?

PS. Part of the "social covenant" that you give lip-service to is the due process of law, where the state decides guilt, innocence, and punishment, and vigilantism is a crime.

cleverness of what!?
You are not a conservative. I don't think you are a lib. Maybe a person who is being treated for something and trying to convince others it might be working?

Having sexual feelings for a child is sick, sick, sick.You cannot cure that mind. I am sorry but there should be no forgiveness for destroying a child's life. Sexual deviants are sneaky and will do anything to fullfill their desires until they are caught. Only then do they cry that they need help.

Save your ridiculous rantings.

cleverness
PS And if I find out he is attracted to kids I will shoot him. Put them out of their misery.

Vic
"Don't respond to the trolls and they will go away."

I confess to responding to a couple of their posts---stupid decision on my part. No more will I waste a second of my time giving them the attentive they obviously crave. They all have a glaring lack of common sense.

If we all ignore them, they will disappear.

Goon Blight in Vermont
See the blog. New parody.

Gayle Post 58
The parents of pedophiles were introduced into the discussion, as in, shouldn't we consider their pain if their son is killed as a result of his crimes.

Some believe parents are responsible if their child "gets off the right track". Sometimes they are, IMO. Anyone who is very familiar with a family's bad parenting will not be surprised if it ends up with messed-up children.

On the other hand, some kids with dedicated, sensible parents somehow go astray. Born-in personality traits differ with each person.

Because upbringing came into the discussion of kids who go astray, I can understand where this would hit home with some posters here.

It is a sensitive subject.

More to this story than appears?

Look, the evil male lurking in the woods to hurt a little girl has traction but there appears to be a whole lot more to this story. Giles himself mentioned "satanonic cult" and that may just be the tip of the iceberg.

There is a 14 year old girl involved who apparently helped in this and in my book, that makes here an accessory to murder. Even if she is a girl. *Some* adult had legal custody over the murdered girl, and some serious questions need to be asked of that person too.

And we need to get past the belief that all 14 year old girls are blushing virgins because there are a whole lot today who aren't. And we need to get away from our mistaken belief that "if it is a religious belief, we must tolerate it" -- some of this satanic pagan stuff isn't just "different" (like the Jews or Catholics) but downright bizarre/scary/pathological.

This is too complex for the simplistic "evil man dragged girl into woods" context - moonbat Vermont may not pursue it, but the arrested perp likely isn't the only one responsible....

At a minimum
Doug, you are spot on. The murdered girls parents should be slapped around and mauled by one of the grizzlies. At a minimum.
And I agree. It does sound as if the 14 yo was an accomplice

Columns (and the attendent comments)...
... on threads like this always bring out the worst in writers. Note that Gill tells us next to nothing on what actually happened -- just treats us to his prolonged psychosexual revenge fantasies. And posters all respond with their own "filth like that should be shot/hung/castrated!!!!" nightmares that, likewise, tell us far more about their own emotional hoodoos than anything else.

Pagan vs Christian Anger
Pagan literature does not come near the vitriol and anger about offences that Christian literature does. However, that is not to their credit. They do not believe there is a God that is offended at the behavior. They stand on their own legs, as it were. They only have their own moral compass to guide them, and their own inner moral fire to give them heat.

Christians, on the other hand, take some inspiration from the Old Testament, in which God says that certain things, including rape and injury to children, are an abomination, and add Christ's statement about the millstone and add it to their own very correct anger about child rape. Not only are we angry about what these criminals have done, but we grieve very deeply for the children they have hurt or killed. We recognize, as one poster did, that not only was their body hurt, but their soul was injured as well. And when a Democrat in Massachusetts says that as a defense attorney he will go after the VICTIM of a child rape to get the CRIMINAL off, it just makes it worse. The very judicial system we want to work for the betterment of society will, if this lawyer has his way, work to its detriment.

RW
Stand by what I said. I would kill anyone who harms my children and sit in jail for the rest of my life. If there is one thing I will protect to the death is my children.

Drop dead if you have a problem with that.

RW
So it sounds like you have recoiled from what most everyone believes should be the punishment of a child rapist/murderer...

Let's hear your nuanced approach to punishment for a crime of this nature if something so horrible happened to one of your children (please give details on how you might immediately feel after hearing the news and then how you would feel after you had time to think about what had just happened, and then how that metamorphosed into an irrational bleeding heart compassion?).

Just for kicks we'd all like to receive a prolonged psycho-compassionate fantasy lecture on how to best deal with this kind of evil.