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Saturday, June 28, 2008
Doug Giles :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Teenage Pregnancy Pact Brain Fart
by Doug Giles
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Hey, teenage girl, if sixteen of your unwed BFFs want to get pregnant before they enter the 10th grade, then you might want to keep shopping for sisters because in the realm of bad ideas, that’s a boner (no pun intended). Yes, my love, you need to run away from these toxic chicas because someone has definitely peed in their gene pool.

I’m not making this stuff up, folks. We learned this week that seventeen teenagers in Gloucester, Massachusetts who incarnate the ditz Pink had in mind in her song “Stupid Girl” took the script from Juno and covenanted together to give it some legs and get knocked up in one accord.

Isn’t that cool?

No, you say?

Why, sure it’s cool!

How do I know it’s cool? Well, those girls are on TV. It’s gotten them massive media attention. They’re on the news, in our magazines, papers and all over our laptops. They are all the buzz. And that’s what life in America is all about now, namely doing whatever it takes (as in this case some of the barely teen girls getting preggers via a 24 year-old homeless guy) to have everyone’s attention riveted upon them. I think I speak for many Americans in saying thanks to these kids’ dads for not doing their job and blowing off their daughters by not giving them any quality time. Now we all have to deal with this crap.

Earth to the dense young teens who just got pregnant: I hope you like the accolades you’re momentarily enjoying because the wind is about to shift in an unfavorable direction. Yep, mommies, what’s about to happen is the buzz is going to wear thin and reality is fixin’ to show up wearing construction-grade steel toed waffle stompers and proceed to kick the snot out of you and yours—most likely for a long, long time. Indeed, this “funny, cute and little” decision you made to have a baby while still a baby has teeth to it that I don’t think you gave much thought to.

You see, little sweetie, life isn’t a movie. Unlike Juno your drama’s run time is not going to be one hour and thirty-six minutes. In addition, there will be no soundtrack or popcorn served with this brain fart . . . nor can you pause it or hit rewind.

Also darling, you cannot look to the ubiquitous Hollywood teenage tarts for encouragement because your predicament and their debacle are desperately different. What do I mean? Take Jamie Lynn Spears, for example. If you are hoping to suck inspiration from Spears by comparing your pregnant plight with hers, I’m afraid you are comparing, as the Brits would say, chalk with cheese. Sure both of you made stupid, stupid mistakes and are—by relation of your dense decisions—soul mates. However, economically speaking, she’s a multi-millionaire and you go to Gloucester High School. It’s a little different, girlfriend.

Here’s what’s about to happen to your world:

1. Text messaging is going to diminish greatly because it is really hard to see that little keypad when you’ve been up for four days because your baby is colicky.

2. Your child’s 16 year-old sperm donor will probably leave you in the dust when he gets the revelation that he’s really not ready to be a dad with all that responsibility, blah blah. You watch. He’ll get freaked out, break up with you and will start dating his slutty math teacher.

3. Get ready to say hello to welfare, and I hope you have developed a palate for government cheese, spam (as in the food, not junk email) and powdered milk.

4. Your parents, who thought they were finished with child rearing, probably aren’t thrilled with their interrupted dreams and the child who’ll probably get dropped in their lap.

5. It’s harder for teens with kids to find a single guy who wants to marry that type of pre-packaged burden.

6. Shedding the 60lbs you’re about to gain ain’t that easy. Sure Christina, Halle, Nicole, Salma and Rippa look great three weeks after giving birth, but what you failed to realize is that they have $1,500 an hour trainers, nutritionists, hair and makeup artists, and a fleet of nannies and spray tanners following them around 24/7. You, on the other hand, have jack.

This pregnancy pact has got to be the new non-violent watermark for adolescent asininity.

Why couldn’t these loopy lasses have done something positive like all of them adopting dogs from a shelter, or doing a group exorcism on Gary Busey, or taking on a project like Courtney Love and trying to straighten her twisted backside out?

Look, if being positive isn’t hip then why not just start chain smoking and wearing OzzFest T-shirts like girls used to do?

If you ladies really, really want to rebel, get noticed, shock people at their inner core and rivet people’s attentions then I’ve got an idea. Are you ready?

Revolt against the slutification of our culture, learn how to read, become a conservative, help the poor during spring break versus flashing your boobs, get saved and finally, go to the Young Americas’ Foundation conference this summer!

People will freak. Teachers will trip out. Parents will be stunned and will wonder what has happened to you. Yes, if you want to go against the flow, rebel chick, be a conservative, a Christian and refuse to be part of the teenage wasteland.

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Teenage Pregnancy
Great article. Wonder if it will make a difference. Those intent on screwing up their lives will probably continue to do so but thanks for trying. Later,

Ha Ha
I guess they are rebelling against the rubber handouts.

And a few more things..

Not only are "we all have to deal with this crap" what about these innocent babies who will be born into a loser life only because their mothers were so stupid???

And where were these girls' parents? And I don't want to hear about how poor and depressed Gloucester is. Social and economic factors have nothing what-so-ever to do with sound moral upbringing.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Thanks to the wonderful world of liberalism, we no longer have more than a modicum of SOUND MORALS anymore.



Doug & Salty Dog
Got me LOL.

Gotta luv the idiot 16 yr old and her 20 yr old boyfriend on TV claiming that their contraception failed and they are not up to being parents. 50 years ago 16 & 20 yr olds were up to it! Why can current generation claim their not up to it and have everyone agree.

A 20 year old male should be able to find a job and marry this girl. Where is the girl's papa and his shotgun. It would be the best answer for the couple, their child and society.

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Giles Rocks!!
Doug Giles rocks!! He gets it right on a consistent basis on a variety of topics, using a perfect blend of common sense and acerbic wit.

The mentality of these girls is sadly representative of current trends in youth culture today moreso than many people would like to admit. Hence, we have Obama-mania. Worse yet, we have grown adults (like Caroline Kennedy for instance) allowing themselves to be influenced and swayed by their children's opinions rather than vice versa.

A real life solution


Well, let’s attack the problem this way.

First we need to find the co-criminal. Ask the young lady, and if she can’t remember who or which one, let’s tie her to a chair on the High School lawn until her memory improves. So what if she pees or potties her panties, that isn’t the worst part of her adventure.

Once we find the one at co-fault, there will be a castration, not the chemical kind, but one done with pliers.

But first there will be a short ceremony where it is determined that heads he get an anathestic, tails he doesn’t.

All this will take place before the entire student body, so there is no chance that someone who has seen some of the Hollywood training films, will miss out on the real life version.

That should solve the problem at that school.


Another good reason for

1) teaching abstinence only

2) homeschooling your children

3) firing the school board and all the teachers

4) throwing the TV in the trash

5) having moms stay at home. most kids nowdays get pregnant in their own homes while mom & dad are at work.

Holly Ashcraft gets time served
Holly Ashcraft, former USC student and serial baby murderer was sentanced to time served (30 days) for tossing her second baby in the trash, leaving her there to die:

http://www.fox6.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=fe2753 c6-0727-4536-b987-53374771fea2

In a related story, a young Canadian woman was sentanced to probation for murdering her newborn baby:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/08/05/baby-sentence0508 05.html

Our culture has reached the point where seemingly ordinary young women are reverting to savage, uncivilized behavior, like feral cats.

When we all read Lord of the Flies in school, who could have predicted that girls would turn out to be as primitive as boys?

Can we do a rewrite called Lady of the Files?

Seems appropriate, considering all the flies that buzz around the dumpsters where these vile, overprivlaged skanks executed their "choice."

Oh Wow
I have known teen girls who think it owuld be "so cool " to have a baby. When I ask them how they will pay the medical bills associated with pregnancy, most reply "I can get WIC, ADC, and Medicaid". Ask who will provide day care it's my mom and dad. These twits see a baby not as another human being totally dependent on them, but as something more like a Barbie doll. The most effective antidote I've seen is a parenting class in which these young chickies are charged with the care of a real infant(under loose supervision of course). Reality is a harsh taskmaster, but very instructive.

You people
are really harsh.

Depressing
If this story had happened back when I was unsuccessfully trying to carry another baby to term or going through the grueling international adoption process, my husband would have simply told me at breakfast, "Don't watch the news today. It's disturbing." It is very depressing to see such a casual attitude toward parenthood and it is magnified terribly when facing infertility.

So many decent people are waiting to have children when their marriages and financial situations are stable, meanwhile the ranks of those in unstable situations grows and those responsible people pay for it in taxes and social ills.

Prima Volta "You People"

Gee, if I said "you people" to describe another group, I would be accused by the Lefties of anti-something, or something-phobia.

I guess you are Rightie-Phobic.

Rebellion or Just Stupidity?
Excellent, well stated Mr. Giles. This column should be compulsary reading for all high school students (maybe even Middle schoolers).
Adolescents traditionally look for ways to shock, annoy, anger, irritate, contradict and generally cause their parents much angst. That is a right of passage we all experienced as youths and worried over as parents. But this "pact" has to be the most outrageously stupid, ignorant, irresponsible act - ever!
A precious innocent life is at stake. It angers me, saddens me and overwhelms me with worry for the future of this nation - but most of all for my young grandchildren who must grow up in the current environment of immorality.
Thank you for the column.

Surprised
I saw the lovely couple on television. At the time the clip came on, my cable provider was having issues, so the sound kept going off. At first I was not sure who they were, but they sure looked all happy and giggly. Then the sound came back on and I wished it had not.

I did like how they had to say that the contraception had worked before, but hey, not this time.

Where are the parents? Hello!

pregnancy
feral cats don't kill their young the mom cat and maybe the dad cat take care of the kittens.

maybe motherhood ishorribleat 16
maybe you can write a few more articles and really ram it home to these youngsters that they are only 16, and sshould probably be seriously considering an abortion. if their life is going to be as diffficult as you indicate abortion would seem to be a feasible alternative,not that i would force or even begin to suggest the use of emotional force for them to do so . in fact i hope one or two are reading this thread get an abortion young ladies. if you dont want to happen to you alld thhe things that are predicted. your life will actullay be much better for it.

MRCMRC
I think adoption would be better. You have to give the babies a chance to grow up and make something of themselves. These girls would probably learn a better life lesson too. The emotional trauma of an abortion is not a good lesson.

Is there any way...
...we can have MRC's mother to have a delayed abortion?

Liberal abortion
Thinning the herd the old fashion way. Providing unintended benefits to society since 1973.

MRCMRC
very nice turd. After addressing the issue that what these girls did was a huge mistake, you throw in the Libbies mass murder for the end results of said mistakes. Leave it to a libsquirt to come up with that solution!

Nam65-66
I second your thoughts for MRC!!! I hope someone has the technology.

2 more questons

Does the state of Massachusetts have a statutory rape law and will any one enforce it? the girl is under 16 years ans 9 months and delivers a full term baby, pare occurred in most jurisdictions.

What to do?
When they give birth to these babies they should be put up for adoption,as a matter of fact anyone who plans on having children and have minimum wage jobs or less should be ordered to be put up for adoption that would save the taxpayers alot of money. But until then lets face it- a womens crouch is becoming an ATM machine.

Anne and Mountain Rose! We have
come full circle. Teen age girls wanting to start a new trend by getting pregnant . You ask where are the parents? That’s an excellent question ladies. I have my own opinion, but if I express it, the feminists will come down on me like the hounds of hell. I can hear the woman’s right to choose folks screaming their worn out rhetoric “It’s my body and I can do what I damn well please with it”. Doug Giles! You have created a another monster by exposing this travesty. If they decide that that having a baby is to much trouble, there is always good old Planned Parenthood waiting in the wings to take care of the problem.

To be contiinued...

Abortion
Continued....
This sad chapter in our nation’s history began when SCOTUS declared that Dred Scott was not a human being therefor enhancing slavery. It took the Civil War costing thousands of lives to right that wrong. Then we had Adolph Hitler’s followers determining that the Jews were sub human and therefor were worthy of extermination. He almost succeeded. Now we have the proponents of the abortion holocaust with close to 50M dead babies who never had a chance to enjoy life and contribute to the overall good of our society.
The most atrocious method of killing the unborn is the partial birth abortion procedure.
The almost 9 month baby is partially delivered by breech birth except for its head which is left in the birth canal. The abortionist then pokes a hole in the back of the baby's head and sucks out the brains. The dead baby is then removed from the birth canal.
Our baby boomer generation and their offspring are primarily responsible for this tragedy and those of retirement age are about to suffer the consequences. Anyone who believes that the loss of 50m potential workers and their contributions to SS is inconsequential needs to visit their shrink.
The chickens indeed are coming home to roost.
May God have mercy on our soul.

PS: If you are a so called Pro-Choice male and have ridden off into the sunset after impregnating your girlfriend leaving her to suffer the consequence, don't waste your time responding. I've heard all of the lame reasons for the need of our own holocaust.


Giles is wrong..new people are great
I say we need more native born babies and it is a good thing to see...new life. It'd be nice if the families will raise the new Americans, maybe granddad can take a day or two from the golf course or tv. If not the families, then somebody would love to take them. Women who forgot to have kids are always perusing Ukraine and Russia for babies.
Let's give the girls a little bit of money; we waste enough money on other things. These are future payers into Social Security.

Uptight Americans....don't realize babies are why we are here. Another reason to live overseas. (BTW, I have 4 combat tours under my belt, have live in a lot of places...other than the truly wonderful military our society pretty much doesn't have much to offer anymore. All the priorties are wacked up.

JGK (Rangers 83)

Biology
Young human women have been having babies for a couple hundred thousand years or more. The fact that they aren't restrained to do it on your religious-nut schedule, Giles, only serves to remind us that biology is what it is. Grow up!

Rebellious Teenagers
Rampant promiscuous sex and glorification of it on television and in the motion pictures, the media coverage of immoral Hollywood lifestyles, the notion that sex is recreational, the lack of spiritual mentoring by families and today’s modern churches that preach “social gospel”, abdication of parental influences and responsibilities, schools that long ago lost any control of student actions, and the notion that everything is acceptable and there are governmental safety nets for whatever you decide to do with your life are but a few of the causes of the mind set of these girls thinking that they are cool. There is so much blame to go around.

Babies are the issue of a loving marriage between a man and a woman who have pledged themselves to each other and not the result of “sport” between two irresponsible and immature persons who do not have the mental and financial resources to properly take care of this new little life they have created because of their warped sense of societal mores. Children born under these circumstances have very little chance in life. It is true this has occurred for centuries, but it is still a human tragedy…quelle dommage!

I Am Wondering
It is clear that people were designed to have kids at fourteen.

I wonder why it is NOT the social norm for people to get married and have kids between fourteen and eighteen. What is the reason for delaying the process of growing up?

I could agree, garry
I could agree with you if these were not a bunch of shallow, young women. We have seen far too many instances where kids have kids and do not rear them to become responsible, contributing members of society.

You might be one of those who complain about public schools, garry. If so, why do you think schools are in crisis? It is often because children have come from substandard homes, and they are ill-prepared for school. They are the ones causing serious disruptions in the classrooms which deter other children from learning. They are the kids who help bring the test scores down. The libs want to punish schools and teachers for a problem that they created!

That brings me to my next point. I wonder how many of these women will expect to collect public aid. I believe the boys should be forced to cough up child support, and the girls should not receive one dime of aid. They made a choice, and there should be natural consequences that come with those choices. We tend to take better care of that which we have to sacrifice and pay for on our own.

Emoting, not thinking
It starts with the parents, or maybe even the Grand-parents for some of these young adults.


The Blackbird: I know what YOU meant by

"Doug Giles! You have created a another monster by exposing this travesty."

But, here's the thing.... Doug Giles didn't create another monster... The lunatic, liberal world we live in was and is the major contributor to this travesty. (Note: Not a criticism, just point out to our limited libs!)

"I can hear the woman’s right to choose folks screaming their worn out rhetoric 'It’s my body and I can do what I damn well please with it.'”

I know... they always come up with that lunacy... but there is ANOTHER BODY, that of a child involved, and they DON'T have a right to do with that body as they damn well please!!!

Excellent points, Blackbird! :-)


garryg24
I had to respond to your comment. Yes women have been having babies for thousands of years. But we humans are not mindless animals. We can control ourselves and delay parenthood until such time as the parents(ideally both the mother and the father) are financially and emotionally ready to care for a child. Ideally a covenant marriage would be good. We have indeed come a long way down if we applaud these teenage girls for this regardless of their socioeconomic situation. Obviously some people have too much time on their hands. If Gloucester is economically depressed then why not encourage these young people(male and female)to help out through volunteer community work. They would learn a lot of lessons of life that would help them prepare for parenthood and marriage down the line. And it would prepare them for the paying jobs that do come their way later. The libs are constantly screaming that no one wants to volunteer to make the world a better place anymore(not totally true). But I guess exceptions are made for those avant-garde types who live the libertine lifestyle. Unrestricted sex probably gets better media play than good works these days.

There is an unexploited resource
in dealing with this situation, with the problem of irresponsible sexual activity. This resource is the young single women dealing with the inevitable results. Rather than public school sex education consisting of putting a condom on a cucumber, better to bring some young mothers and their babies. Let the 11 year olds change some diapers, try to feed the babies, listen to cranky babies cry for an hour or two. Let the young mothers describe how long its been since they went out dancing, or bought a great new dress. Reality and truth work, when not drowned out by PC BS.

WHAT TO DO??
reply to Steven in MI #24

"make your bed, sleep in it." They're minors and still living with their parents....let them pay for everything...including the nursery care at the school...why should I have to pick up the tab for their stupidity. I lived a responsible life and didn't burden society...oh yeah, poorly raised children become burdens in one form or another.

I have come to the conclusion that I can no longer afford to continue paying property taxes (major portion of which goes to school taxes) so I am planning to sell my house soon..even in this poor real-estate economy...and even if I take a loss, I will come out ahead not having to "support" the stupidity of others....

and if taxes are increased with the new administration, I plan to go on welfare cuz I am not going to be able to afford taking care of myself, let alone others who deliberately make irresponsible decisions.

The Teen Pregs Pact!
Doug, you hit the nail my man, these young Juno wannabe's got sucked into this supposed young feminist ideal, when basically all it is, is the GHETTORISATION of America.
I'll bet you all of those seventeen year olds, only listen to Hip-Hop, they watch only Hip-Hop music videos and know how to drop it like it's hot. The have been Shaniquarised in the form of Juno.
Oh by the way! we're still wondering how come we're doing so bad in Math & Sciences, when for our teens there main technology component is "text messaging", 99% if them don't know how it works-well DUHHHHHHHHHH!
So what else is there to do other than make babies, let me pull an IMUS-what color are these girls? White you say! NOOOOOOO! get outta a town, are you kidding me? young white girls from Gloucester, Mass. looking for their fifteen minutes and getting it.
Couldn't you just see the Hallmark moment all of them grown women wearing booty shorts, watching BET, telling there young son's and daughter's how empowering it is for a woman to own her body and basically do whatever, as they move their heads back and forth and shake their index fingers just like Shaniqua would.

lily
good idea for lowering the whole birth rate. should take your advice and require ALL teen age girls to know just how miserable motherhood really is. what a terrible life they will have after darling little baby comes. at last the truth about this whole thing. and then we would see the birthrat drop.lever thinkiong.
would also lower the abortion rate because fewer girls would get pregnant...wow what a clever idea.

pam65 66
no shes dead. of coyurse if you are a morman it might be possible. youd have to ask them to be sure. , but certainy something to consider as loong as you are pro abortion that is as you must be to advocate my mom having one. .

steven
right LET FREEDOM RING . and have ashcroft sing a chorus or TWO for us.

A NEW REALITY SHOW
better yet...a new subject for all teens in which to have to matriculate....using current pregnant teens as the subjects themselves...following their lives in minute detail...that should make anyone sick.

he should address the stupid guys
Well, well...funny how in his entire rant, Giles left out the other equation.
How about leading the mob to tar and feather the men who didn't have the sense to RUN when they saw the jail bait coming!
I was a teen girl once, and I lost my father at age 15 to cancer.
But I at least did much of what Giles suggested and I did it all because:
1. I was a STRONG girl and didn't want to be defined by my gender, but everything that had nothing to do with it.
2. Same for my color

3. My cousins were on the losing end of the baby mama game and now there are three generations of the same losers.

4. My parents were serious readers, encouraged it in us...and emphasized that PLANS and SMARTS (something that black women needed more than anyone), would make us successes.

There are few men who impress me enough for me to want a child with them. Let alone guys stupid enough to have a child with a girl not old enough to drive.
Stupid is as stupid does, and no amount of abstinence only, parents at home or sermons will cure ennui, lack of imagination, foresight or intelligence.

Amen, du!
You said it all!!!

PUBLIC EDUCATION AND THE MEDIA
THE U.S. DEPT. OF EDUCATION AND IT'S MANDATED SEX EDUCATION AND OTHER SICK PROGRAMS, MEDIAS SUCH AS OPRAH, THE VIEW, MONTEL, JERRY SPRINGER, AND THE TV AND MOVIE INDUSTRY, GENERALLY, CREATED THE MESS IN GLOUCESTER, AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. Socialism and Social Engineering by Liberals, generally, have created this disaster that is occurring all over this once, decent, proud, and morally inclined nation. No More Responsibility, Morals, Dignity, Self Respect, Respect for Others, Respect For Resources, Gratitude, Parental Authority and Rights, are being taught in our U.S. Public Education System being dicatated by The U.S. Dept. of Education. The Welfare state which began in earnest with Lyndon B. Johnson's so-called Great Society Program, War On Poverty, and other forms of Welfare was the beginning of the end of America. The end to a school system that actually taught kids how to read, write, do math, to act responsibly, to have alliegance and loyalty to family and country, and respect generally, coupled with a good work ethic. Yes, these are things that schools actually used to teach. But they did not teach Promiscuity, How To Don A Condom, How to Get Your Birth Control Pills and Abortions at school, without parental consent or knowledge. Yes, the school system, destroyed families and lives of millions. It is time to Take Our Schools and Communities Back from this Federally Mandated Brainwashing Factory that produces Children such as The Gloucester Misfits. They are just a few of Millions.
m. jerome ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama
jeromeennis@aol.com

mrbmrb
How about teaching them that motherhood is wonderful in the context of marriage to a decent, commited man, at the proper age?

How about teaching them that if they get preggers when they are too young and unmarried, they are nasty little skanks?

Don't you know the real problem?


What a bunch of numbskulls posting on a subject they don’t understand, or at least understand only one half of.

Not one of you said anything about the idiot responsible for this problem.

I carefully posted Reply # 7 before I went to bed, hoping that by this morning others would have added their comments, but not one!!

I find that one and only one post that talks about solving the real problem, the co-criminal of this act, is just inexcusable.

Since so many of you don’t care enough to look for #7, I will repeat a part of it.

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Once we find the one at co-fault, there will be a castration, not the chemical kind, but one done with pliers.

But first there will be a short ceremony where it is determined that heads he get an anathestic, tails he doesn’t.

All this will take place before the entire student body, so there is no chance that someone who has seen some of the Hollywood training films, will miss out on the real life version.

That should solve the problem at that school.
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Now, any comments, or improvement on tht suggestion?






Ditto To Big Belly in Ct From Greyhawk
Yeah, you got it right. Our Society is a Product of Social Engineering by the U.S. Government, and The Media with it's Political Correctness, and the Teaching of "If it feels good, just do it, and be empowered." The standards of decency, respect, loyalty to family and country, belief in morality, generally, and work ethic have all been abandoned by the Public School System and the Media, which is where most Americans receive their Daily Doses of Propaganda and Brainwashing. Then, the shows designed for our youth: MTV, BET, Friends, and all the other garbage on TV do their promotions for Promiscuity, Sex, and Violence and Bling! Bling! Bling! Shoot da Cops; Drop Yo Drawers; Smoke Yo Crack! Yo, and when you get busted, Holler---POLICE BRUTALITY AND Racism---And Brother Jesse and his entourage of Race Hustlers will come and Defend You Against Da Man, Especially, If Da Man is a White Man. And what is so sad, is that, All People of All Colors and Gender have Been Reduced To This Sort of Garbage being spewed by This Media, This School System, and This Degenerate Culture, and these Same Folks Get To Vote, and Who Do THey Vote For???Of course, The Liberal Socialists that created this Ignorant and Immoral Population to begin with. They vote for those Who Tell Them, You Are A Victim, and We, The Government Is Your Savior and Benefactor. Get on Welfare, and You Never have To Pay For Anything, and we will even give You a Tax Refund and Incentive Check even though you have never Held a Job in your life. What a Country?????The Soviet Union had nothing of the United States, as it exists today. At least, the Welfare Slaves in Russia had to work in some State Factories.

jerome ennis, MA in Tuscaloosa, Alabama
jeromeennis@aol.com

Reality Check 101
Ideally, a child should grow up with wholesome, decent Godly intelligent influences from the family. The school does not address questions of the deepest kind and some parents believe it is not their business, A school that is out of control with frivolous haughty, igorant souls needs needs some kind of sobering recourse. Lost kids need a radical change in their thinking of reality. How do you make goofy into serious? How do you get reason over whim? How do you get long range projection over love of the moment? How do you get kindness over wit? The most radical suggestion : The principal schedules a Godly prayerful evangelist to visit the school and present the gospel with the prayerful support of the town. Instead of the new virture words openess, tolerance, acceptance consider goodness, righteousness and truth. Students, this is the godly American hertiage you should know!

jim: Comment! Stupidest posts on the

thread! And I do mean "posts"... both #7 and #47.






What happened to SHAME?
Parents have been so cowed into fearing that harsh truths might traumatize the little darlings, that they are creating spoiled monsters.

Rich kids seem to be worse than even inner city brats.

#7 & #47
if only!!

we all know what the problem is...

it is answered in part by Greyhawk AL #45;

Du in CA #43 makes an excellent point....as do many many others...

the problem is WE are not running the country!!

It's not enough to blog here....you must also pick up the phone and call your reps.

AND, call the school and tell them you don't want your tax $$ spent on these stupid girls...let their families pay for them, let the boys have to pay their support as well...

they made their beds, let them sleep on them...badly made as they are...those are their beds....I don't want them in mine!!

Jim in Ca
Ditto to that. That would stop this one individual loser from impregnating anybody else. But that would only work for this one individual, and the sight of it would be remembered for about a day in this particular school. And, of course, Oprah, The View Gabbers, and other Liberal Media, would parade the recently de-nutted child molestor out and call him a Victim. If he happens to be black, He will be a Victim of Racism. But, it does not matter what color he happens to be. He will be a Victim. They will parade their Expert Bleeding Hearts out to tell you how He was A Victim Of George Bush. You know nowadays, George Bush is the Blame For Every Ill in the World. My wife left me, and I know it is because George Bush made her do it. My dog died, and I know George Bush Did it. That is why I am Voting For The Messiah, Barach Hussein Obama because he Knows Best, and he Knows How To Change, He Knows How To Read A Teleprompter, and He Knows that If something is Wrong in Your Life, that Your Are Not Responsible--George Bush Did It, and I, The Messiah am here to Save You and Big Brother Goveernment Will Become Even More Responsible For Every Aspect Of Your Life. How Dare somebody tell you, "get a job, get off welfare." That is what I am here for, To Take From The Evil Workers and TAxpayers, and Support You So You CAn Stay Home With Your Illegitimate Babies and Watch Oprah, and We Will Even Babysit for You. Vote Obama, and you never have to think for yourself again.

jerome ennis, Ma in Tuscaloosa, Alabama
jeromeennis@aol.com

Mountain Rose Reply
#51 says it all.

What's Wrong With This Picture?
An older white male suggesting to a liberated, underaged pubescent female that already knows it all that what she does is stupid and uninformed? It will do about as much good as telling Congress they are witless politicians because their constituency will continue to vote them in or telling these kids' parents that they have failed because if they really gave a damn, they would have raised their children like a real parent insteead of a book-learned social worker educated in government schools.

I hate it when you're so right! And by the way, that brick wall behind you is more attentive to a white male "chauvinist, religious zealot pig"--like yourself--than will be the people who really should be listening to wisdom instead of trying to secure a berth (or birth) into stardom on a Jerry Springer production.

Don't Laugh
re Greyhawk AL #53...

I did, I actually heard a news reporter say just that...that it was the fault of the "no child left behind program"...and I laughed so hard....

but it ain't funny!!

Anne! I meant
to say "exposed" rather than "created" Sorry :-(

jim
Do we even know who all of the fathers are?

To HA in NC--Ditto From Greyhawk
Yes, very definitely, call your reps in your states and the ones you send to DC. I do it almost daily about some of the Idiotic Proposals they keep parading out there as political correctness which alwasy includes More Big Brother Government To Control You. You cannot and will not take care of yourselves and We, Big Government, are here to do it for you. Take Back Your Schools. Take Back Your Communities, and Eventually, if each community does this, we will have our Country Back. Vote Against Obama and any other Politician at any level of government who Endorses or otherwise supports him. It is the Liberal Marxists in our government at every level of government that have turned our Schools into Brainwashing Factories that cannot teach Basic Academic subjects and have teachers who have not mastered the English language teaching our kids about Sex and How To Don Condoms, to get birth control pills, to get abortions, and how to Rat Your Parents Out To The school, if they, the parent, dares try and discipline you. We, the Government Bureaucrat will Save and Defend you against Your Parents, or Parent, if you are in the majority, that comes from a One-Parent family, which the school also endorses. Who needs a Dad?? Government Is Your Dad, Your Big Brother, Your Defender. And, If you have a Dad in the Equation, Yo Mama will Lose Her Benefits, and If you get pregnant, you too, can get benefits, thereby, you will be helping your families financial position. So, you see chilren, getting pregnant while still a child Can Be A good thing, and An Economic Boon for You and for US, the Government. We get to add you to the growing list of "victims" that the government needs so that the Government Empire can continue to grow in size, and power. We, the government, do not want to end victimiazation, because if we had no victims, we could not justify our existence.

jerome ennis, MA in Tuscaloosa, Al.
jeromeennis@aol.com

Freak Report
Good article,Mr. Giles. We will read/hear about these teen-dough-brains, as long as the media reports on the Hollywood teen freaks. Now, let's drop this subject and focus on more important issues, for Pete's sake!

I bet this would work

Lolo1 Location: CA
Reply # 58

Do we even know who all of the fathers are?
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Maybe not, but I bet that a day or two of this will solve that problem —
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As I said in post #7.

First we need to find the co-criminal. Ask the young lady, and if she can’t remember who or which one, let’s tie her to a chair on the High School lawn until her memory improves. So what if she pees or potties her panties, that isn’t the worst part of her adventure.

To Anne in Va
Why would you be outraged at Comment #47 for somebody suggesting Castration for Child Molestors. Yes, this guy was a child molestor, even if the girls enlisted him. He could have just said, "No, I will not have sex with a minor." Well, of course, you know very well that this is not likely to happen. So, since the Homeless Dude who was 24 years old, did not have the decency and moral conviction to Do The Right Thing, then Castration will insure his Gene Pool will go no further, at least by his own actions. Recently, the Supreme Court, ruled that A Monster from Louisiana who Raped his 8-year old step daughter could not be put to death, as it was 'cruel and unusual' to take the life of a pervert, since he did not murder her, he just took her life emotionally, psychologically, physically, and spiritually, but he did not physically murder her. The Supreme Court Justices, all of which, were put there by Liberals, such as Clinton, should have to spend some time in jail with This Child Rapist that they, the Liberal Judges, had compassion for. What happened to compassion for Victims of Violence??? So, Anne in Va. This writer hopes that you never have to be a victim of a Child Molestor or that your children are. But, I bet if it happens to your child, you will change your tune, unless you are brain dead already.

jerome ennis in Tuscaloosa, Al.
jeromeenis@aol.com

VIRTUES & MORALS
shame, guilt, pride, dignity, responsibility, etc....along behind with commonsense.

g-d forbid you should have any.

I was a teenage mother
But I was also a MARRIED teenage mother! I got married just after turning 17 ( I was young and in heat - er- love!) and gave birth 14 months later. I did have my mother to help me learn the proper care and feeding, but I never dumped my child on my mother so I could go out and have fun! My husband was 20 when we got married, he went out and worked hard to support us. We did not live on the govermnent's dole, and the only time I did seek help for food was whn he broke his leg and couldn't work - they turned us down because we owned a home and a car, too much in assets that we could sell if we really needed help! (No explanation of what we should do for shelter or transportation once those assets were sold off, however!)
My point is this, we did it on our own 95% of the time and family help when we needed it for real. I have 2 wonderful sons who are smart, capable men in their 30's, my pride and joy!
We did what we did for love, not for 15 minutes on Oprah, Springer, etc. We knew we were responsible for the results of our actions, accepted (and loved) those results and all the responsibility.
It's how you grow and mature, I think.
If you know that all you have to do is lay your "toys" down when you get bored and someone else will take up that load - then why not?
Forget teaching morality - teach RESPONSIBILITY...

But why and what??


Anne Location: VA
Reply # 50
Date: Jun 29, 2008 - 12:49 PM EST
jim: Comment! Stupidest posts on the

thread! And I do mean "posts"... both #7 and #47.
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Let's see at least one example of what I said that is wrong.


Mountain Rose
When I said "You people," I wasn't talking about conservatives in general. I was talking about the ones who had posted on this thread, and who had recommended such deterrent policies as castration and public humiliation. There are a lot of conservatives who don't think like that. So I wasn't generalizing to all of them.

Ohimesama
What you say is true. Remember though responsibility is part of morality. With welfare and the Great Society in place no one any longer has to be responsible.

Juno
It appears many people who have not seen the movie Juno still like to refer to it. Spoiler alert: she doesn't keep the baby. That's not an option she ever considers. She gives it up for adoption, just like all good Christians would want her to.

Reply To: Ratas y Ratones
Ratas y Ratones
Location: IN

Reply # 5
Date: Jun 28, 2008 - 9:27 PM EST Peter J. Wirs here.
I NEED HELP GETTIN THE RINO MESSAGE OUT !

YU MUSTH HELP ME ! OR wi go down in flams! YU WANT BARRY o FARRY?


Hi there Fellow republicanz,

Peter J. Wirs here.

Yes, That lowlife townhall didn't put my latest column up, they stupidly said i was gertting too muck negative feadback.

sumpin abut contraversity. hoo noes? Enyhoo,


A kind poster allowed mi to post unner his name. He aslo said he wuddunt correct eny spelin eras.

This writer has to commend you on your wit.

The illiterate in this country, products of the Public Education System being dictated from the Murder Capitol of The United States, Washington D.C., actually do write like this, and their Liberal Teachers tell them, "Good Work Chaniqua or Tyrone, it's the thought and sentiment that countes. Who cares about spelling, grammar, content, context, syntax, etc.? I am your public school teacher, and I cannot even write intelligible sentences, read beyond 4th grade level, and do not have basic math skills, but I am a success and you too, can be a success. All you have to do is Care, and when something bad happens to you, just tell them you are a victim of This, or a Victim of That, it will get you sympathy and you will never have to be responsible for anything in your life." Vote Barack Hussein Obama, aka--Messiah---He will take care of All You Victims, and make sure you have plenty of company as I create More Social Programs that Enlists New Victims.

m. jerome ennis, MA in Tuscaloosa, Al

To Prima Volta in CA
Juno???? Of course Prima Volta is in California, fantasy state and capitol of the USA. Juno?? Of course, this writer has never seen this Hollywood Masterpiece (Not). I will check it out though, as it has sparked some interest. I bet I can get the plot though, since it will probably follow the Hollywood Template---"Victim--Victim is really just a nice, misunderstood twit in love or so she thought, as she was being molested by some other victim and she becomes pregnant, and has to struggle with a big life decision???Have the baby? Abort The Baby? Adopt the baby out??? All okay choices in our culture today. And, of course, the neighborhood government social worker will help her in this decision without parental consent or knowledge. But, she is still good, and will get to get on with her life, and maybe even go on Oprah to tell of her heroic deed?" Is this the basic plot?/ Probably, but this plot is tired and old and people with half a brain will not watch this crap. But, it is as a line in a Pink Floyd song goes, "Gotta get on with the Film Show, It doesn't Really Matter What It's All About, As Long as The Kids Go. So, not now Jack, Gotta Get On With The Film Show." And the Band and The Shows Play on. People do not have to be responsible and That is The Message of Government and All Of The Film Shows, for the most part. And, of course, We all have heard the new found Entertainment---Music that goes like this: "Yo, you Ho, drop those Pan-tees, and Come To Dog--Yo"!! Lyrical Geniuses and Poets????? I think not. Parents, turn your kids computers and TV's off. Don't let your kids hang with degenerates. Take back parental responsibility. Take your kids out of public schools, if possible. These Schools, and The Crap on Media and at The Movies have taken your child's mind and life. Take back your children.

jerome ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

juno
Juno???? Of course Prima Volta is in California, fantasy state and capitol of the USA. Juno?? Of course, this writer has never seen this Hollywood Masterpiece (Not). I will check it out though, as it has sparked some interest. I bet I can get the plot though, since it will probably follow the Hollywood Template---"Victim--Victim is really just a nice, misunderstood twit in love or so she thought, as she was being molested by some other victim and she becomes pregnant, and has to struggle with a big life decision???Have the baby? Abort The Baby? Adopt the baby out??? All okay choices in our culture today. And, of course, the neighborhood government social worker will help her in this decision without parental consent or knowledge. But, she is still good, and will get to get on with her life, and maybe even go on Oprah to tell of her heroic deed?" Is this the basic plot?/ Probably, but this plot is tired and old and people with half a brain will not watch this crap. But, it is as a line in a Pink Floyd song goes, "Gotta get on with the Film Show, It doesn't Really Matter What It's All About, As Long as The Kids Go. So, not now Jack, Gotta Get On With The Film Show." And the Band and The Shows Play on. People do not have to be responsible and That is The Message of Government and All Of The Film Shows, for the most part. And, of course, We all have heard the new found Entertainment---Music that goes like this: "Yo, you Ho, drop those Pan-tees, and Come To Dog--Yo"!! Lyrical Geniuses and Poets????? I think not. Parents, turn your kids computers and TV's off. Don't let your kids hang with degenerates. Take back parental responsibility. Take your kids out of public schools, if possible. These Schools, and The Crap on Media and at The Movies have taken your child's mind and life. Take back your children.

jerome ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

responsibility #64
"It's how you grow and mature, I think.
If you know that all you have to do is lay your "toys" down when you get bored and someone else will take up that load - then why not?
Forget teaching morality - teach RESPONSIBILITY..."

No...this did not happen on your own...you had a basis for it...and then you matured along with the responsibilities.

I too was a young mother...at 20...and have been working since...no vacations ever...couldn't afford any...but loved my 2 boys, raised them well...they did well in school (and I found myself correcting their teachers and mistakes in textbooks), they work, have good relationships...and thankfully, no grandchildren yet...and hopefully will not as I would not want to raise children in today's tv society and school system.

I learned responsibility from my parents, who taught me that to go on the dole was wrong...that I had to work for everything I wanted...so my husband. 65,I'm 62 and still working cuz we are just getting by paying our own bills...and we have no health insurance.

that is why I am so adamant about not having to pay to support someone else's children.

it should be their responsibility...100%..with all the hearthaches, difficulties and joys, if they ever have any.

Greyhawk
Trouble is after decades of declining morals and public schools that indoctrinate, the degenerates are now the parents and have no clue as to how to teach their children to be responsible.

LoLo 1
Right on sister. The truth hurt!!

Thanks Blackbird!
However, the numbers on the posts seem to change every time someone writes a new one.

Maybe I have to switch to decending order?

Also, I can't seem to get into my personal blog to post.

Is anyone else having this problem?

Greyhawk
Yikes. Well, you got the plot all wrong. You should see the movie; you might like it. I thought it was just alright. The music is really droney and hard to listen to and the action is not very focused, but Juno is a great character. It's not a movie I would bring up, though, if so many others had not already done so. I don't understand why these posters on Townhall keep harping on Juno like she's the epitome of moral decay, though. This is not a movie that glamorizes teenage pregnancy or any of that. The movie does present Juno like a multi-dimensional human being. Perhaps that is why these Christian soldiers find her so threatening. She's presented more realistically than the "real life" teenage moms on Springer.

Teach your children well
CSN&Y had that right...

I taught my boys to read by the time they were 3, had them writing and they knew basic math before they went to public school.
Why did I do that? It wasn't because I wanted them to be geniuses or anything, it was because I saw it as something I had to do because I was their mother and loved them.
I remember reading anything I could get my hands on, even encyclopedias, as a child - (except for volume "I" - pictures of bugs - ick!!)and my sons did they same. I remember my oldest boy leafing through my college textbooks at the age of 5, he loved the English courses!
But I never forced them to read - I just gave them the gift and waited to see what they did with it.
They still love getting a book as a gift - especially the ones I scrounge up from the 1800's and early 1900's from the shops in the great Northwest.

...and feed them on your dreams...

RESPONSIBILITY
Problem is parents and teachers are NOT held accountable for their total lack of responsibility in the rearing and teaching of children.

Obama wants the government to take over the responsibilities of rearing and teaching YOUR children. Be afraid. Be very afraid!

my 2 cents
FYI - I have never seen Juno and have no intention of ever doing so.

That having been said, let me recommend another movie

Bella

2 more cents
I cannot escape the belief that so much of what is so terribly wrong today can be traced back to the "Love generation" of the 60s. Yes I was one of them.

And we thought we knew it all.

God help us

Greyhawk: I admit you have a point!

But, I suspect that would open up a "can of worms" .... you know that "slippery slope" thing.

However, I am ALL FOR LIFE IN PRISION, and NO PAROLE... EVER!


The way to stop the madness ...
is to insist on the young girl's going through the painful and long birth process, then giving the baby up for adoption, the closed kind. The parents of the girl need to insist they are not going to care for this child and that their daughter's only option is to give this precious, new life its only chance.

She'll think of this little one at every birthday that comes around in the future, and she will always have the knowledge there was a "first" child she will never see in this life.

It is a guarantee she will not ever want to experience this kind of heartache again and she will think twice. It there is no bailout and no other choice but adoption, she will reconsider the fleeting pleasure of sexual satisfaction with a sperm donor.

And what does the boy/man have to pay in this sorry episode? I don't know. It seems we still live in a society where the women pay most of the costs for this "free" lust.

I do know this: there is no such thing as an illegitimate child. There are only illegitimate parents.

Uncle Max
I read the synopsis for "Bella." It appears to be about a woman who unexpectedly gets pregnant and has the baby instead of having an abortion. That is exactly the premise of Juno. So I don't really understand your opposition.

Blackbird: I knew that's what you meant

"...exposed" rather than 'created.'"

BUT, you also provided a GREAT opportunity to make a point to the limited left!

Thank you! :-)


fems and the hook up culture
I gess the fems are celebrating these children took control of their sexuality to find variuous other irresponsible sorts to indulge in their fantasy of finding love and attention.

Libs hate the idea that people should be resposible about their lives and that these girls are displaying the same actions that teens are warned about that will mess up their lives and lesson the chances they will suceed in life.

There may be momentary celebrity status but what happens when the reality sets in. While these teens are home changing diapers and feeding their child their classmates are headed off to another concert or heading to the mall for another day of shopping before heading to another party or some mindless concert

There is plenty of time to take on adult resposibilities but precious little time to enjoy being a child. Too bad these teens didn't understand this before acting foolish and irresponsible.

But then again some did show the liberal compassion for the homeless. They felt sorry for the poor homeless guy not getting his fair share of female companiuonship and sought to remedy his lonliness/ The libs must be proud of their efforts at aiding the homeless

pathetically apathetic
All this means to Gloucester is more strollers in the halways. From the Mayor to the parents, it's no biggy.Besides, they have "programs".

Remember..Obamas argument for pro choice
Roman “ Pro Choice”
Those uncivilized savages.

"A Roman father enjoyed absolute legal control over the lives of his children. He had the legal right to expose a newborn child;(Expose, as in throw it out with the garbage and let it die from exposure or someone adopts the baby). he arranged marriages for his children and could force them to divorce spouses they loved; he could disown a child, sell a child into slavery, or even kill a child whose behavior displeased him.
We have come a long way Babes. Now the mother can decide if her baby should be killed or not. Now we don’t wait until it is born. Now we kill it before it is born. That of course is a lot more civilized.
Hm, Some progress

Any way, whats the big deal? Most of you agree with Obama. He says having an abortion is easier on the mother than bearing and having to raise a baby. Make it easier on the mother at the expense of a human Life is good? Hm..very civilized.
We yell at China for their human rights violations but we copy them in killing unborn babies. Does that tell you something in what direction we are moving?
What are you complaining about? You are the ones that voted for these Secular Progressive dip sticks,you are the ones that eat up the mind numbing Liberal crap the Media dishes out, and now it looks like most of you are going to vote for that Marxist Socialist andidate Obama, and we will be moving further to the left.


Cactushead
Feminism is not a club or a religion. There is no charter and no board of directors telling people what to celebrate and what to lament. Having said that, I have never heard of a feminist who celebrated teenage pregnancy. It is true that we mostly do believe it's important for women to take control of their own sexuality. But unintended or poorly considered pregnancy at age 16 is not an example of this. If anything it's illustrative of their internalization of the patriarchal image of women.

Hey Bob!
Some of us can't wait to move further to the left, and are even disappointed in Obama's pandering to conservatives. Can you believe it?

prima volta
another lib troll who fails to understand the same poison the left spreads concerning life. Obviously you are incapable of seeing the perils of hooking up as celebrated by the fews and the left.

Since the left believes in little and has no values they hold as important it comes as no surprise you want b hussein and his mindless trolls to move further left.

Colleges and universities are currently going through the last vestiges of the hippie/commie revolution. The hope is that america can overcome the destructive nature of the 60's.

But then a again the left has never celebrating single accomplishment but revils in group thought and mindless actions more in line with those of lemmings.


Cactushead
What accomplishments can the Right brag about? Right and Left are political orientations. Orientations can't accomplish anything as such. Only people can accomplish things, either as groups or as individuals. For example, when American women got the vote in 1923, the credit was due not to the belief that women should vote, but to the people who worked hard and sacrificed a lot to make it happen.

denise
good thinking. we should take your avice and aply it to all areas of human life. make one mistake in you teen years and we will do,our best to see to it that our society is stuctured so as to insure that you suffer all you life for it. your attept to say what should happen top these girl is in this line and is almost perfect. perhap i would add a good public whipping on the anniversary of the chlds birth every year. both for mother and for xhild,]. if she ses her child suffering for what she did it will hurt all the more. lets stop thinjking half way about these things. its time we got serious.

mountain rose
dont tell me. im not the one who is suggesting these things. its the author of this article. im doing what i can to make fun of it.

prima volta
there is a difference believing in something of value and believing in nothing less someone feels offended.

Those of us on the right can see a difference between standing for something because it strengthens society. Those on the left advocate all the things that make society worse.

The idea that self esteem is more important than actual accomplish comes firmly from the lefists controlling the educational system. The idea that no one should be held accountable no matter how much they screw up their lives is fully entrenched on the left. The idea that socialism will be the great equalizer although it punishes the producers and reward the losers has been voiced by both the missus clinton and b hussein.

I doubt the left has anything they believe in strongly enough to fight for and defend. B hussein shows that he will tell people what ever they want to hear.

This episode in mass proves the leftist mantra of if it feels good than do it. When hapless trits like scatterbrain spears does something, the left does not condemn her actions as irresponsible but hoilds her up as a role model for other mindless teens to emulate.

Cactushead, you are wrong
You are misinformed. No one on the left considers Britney Spears a role model. Seriously, not one person. Also, it is simply untrue that we don't believe in anything. Where did you get this idea? People on the left generally migrate there because of their strong beliefs. You might not agree with them, but that doesn't mean we don't have them.

prima volta
from your viewpoint advocating for socialism may be a good thing but the idea that we aren't paying enought taxes and that we need nore government programs is not something any thinking perosn would go for.

At what point is paying increased taxes finally enough. We currently pay some 42% in various taxes and b hussein thinks that amount is not enough to pay for all his social engineering here as well as the billions he wants to give to the UN to help that fraudulent organization gain more power and influence,


Teenage Pregnancy
These girls are young and obviously have not been taught about morals, values, and personal responsibility.
All teenagers leap before they look. It is the parents job to be vigilant and keep them from harming themselves (or someone innocent). Where was the teaching of their daughters to prepare them for life and all the choices out there? Problem-solving? Not to try and live out a fictional plot? Where were the parents?

Cactushead
I don't know the first thing about finance or accounting. I can't speak for you, but I know my partner and I do not pay 42% of our income in taxes. We live in California, which I think is taxed at a higher rate than most other states, and still I would estimate that we pay maybe 20% on our income. It is quite upsetting that the services we ostensibly pay for are not being provided adequately and that our economy is in such a crisis, but this is due to mismanagement and cronyism at both the state and federal level. The solution is not to privatize or eliminate social programs, but to restructure them so that they respond meaningfully to people's needs and reduce the opportunities for waste and corruption within the gov't. No solution is going to be a perfect solution, but I think we can do better than this.

RIGHT ON CACTUS HEAD!!!
Hey Cactus Head. Good to hear some sanity. As for Prima Volta, a real liberal nut case. I suppose you do know that Liberalism is a form of Mental Illenss. It causes people to be delusional and to live in a fantasy world. It makes it's believers think that there is such a thing as a "Free Lunch" and "Magic Carpet Rides." Well, for all you liberals out there, get this: "There is no such thing as a Free Lunch." It costs somebody something. As for the Liberal Government and it's Social Programs that reward Laziness, the so-called Free Lunch, Free Ride, Free Housing, Free Medical Care, Free Child Care, etc. cost somebody. Those somebody's are guys and ladies such as yours truly, who work every day, pay taxes that pay for your free lunches, free rides, free housing, free medical care, etc. so you can sit on your lazy cans and watch your Daily Doess of Oprah, The View, Jerry Springer, the Main Stream Media in general. This writer is sick and tired of Your Free Ride. You need to get help for your delusional ideas and fantasies, and get a job, work for a living, pay taxes, pay rent or a mortgage, buy your own food, health care, etc. and I guarantee you that you Will Stop Being A Liberal, and thus cure your own Mental Illness. I can understand why you mentally ill liberals love Obama or Hillary and other such Socialists, they all promise More For Nothing, with the idea of taking from those of us who work and pay taxes. We are saying No To Obama, and all Other Socialists as of Now. There is a national drive to elect all these deadbeats out of office, and then we will dismantle the Socialist Bureaucracy that you good for nothing deadbeat liberals just love. Then, all of you will be cured, as you will have to live in the Real World of Being Responsible for your sorry selves.

Jerome Ennis, MA in Tuscaloosa, Alabama
jeromeennis@aol.com

To Cactus Head and Prima Volta
To you, Cactus Head, you might as well talk to a brick wall as to try and reason with a Hard Core Communist of Prima Volta's persuasion. Of course, she or he, who knows the true gender? Could just be a gay guy living with the delusion the he is a she. Also, based on Her/His? own portrayal of her/his partner as her/his significant other, or some such politically correct gobbledy gook, that the left uses this day as a euphemism for "shacking up", it is obvious that he or she is not in a normal relationship that would include marriage. Of course, under the new Liberal Court Ruling, he and he or she and she can now experience marital bliss. Isn't California a wonderful fairy tale land? Anyway, Cactus Head, keep up the good work, and continue to post. Liberals need to read something with some substance instead of Accolades from the Likes of Prima Volta or Barach Hussein Obama or any of his minions who suffer from "delusional fantasies" called liberalism.

Jerome Ennis, MA, in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Greyhawk
Why do you think I want something for free? I have a job and can afford all I need. Because I work for the UC system, I am lucky enough to have full-coverage health insurance. Other people are not so lucky. Do you know that if you have cancer and get better, you can never get private insurance again? That is my dad's sorry state of affairs, and he's not the only one. He has veteran's insurance, but now even that looks like it might be cut off.
Why do you think I don't understand that everything costs something? I realize that social programs are funded by taxpayers. I just don't see anything wrong with that.

About my domestic situation
I've been living monogamously with the same man for seven years.

To Prima Volta
Prima Volta wrote the following to Cactushead:
Cactushead
Prima Volta writes" I don't know the first thing about finance or accounting. I would estimate that we pay maybe 20% on our"

It is obvious that you, Prima Volta, know nothing about finance and accounting. As for you and your partner only paying about 20 percent of your income as taxes in California. It is obvious to this writer that, as you say, you know nothing of finance and accounting, if you believe that this is the only taxes you are paying. That is, of course, unless you are a couple on welfare or are illegals who live on the government teat in this country.

As for knowing anything about Finance and Accounting, neither does the majority of these idiots we send to Washington D.C. and especially those from California like that ding bat Nancy Paluka (Pelosi) or any of those other California Communists. As for The Socialist State of California, who controls and governs every detail of your lives, they are one of the most taxed states in the country, and idiots still choose to live there. Move out folks while you still can. Barach Obama, another Communist who does not know anything about Finance And Accounting, is out there spreading fairy tales about Taking Some More From Workers and Giving To Losers who Will Not work. Hear This Comrade Obama, we workers will never elect you to office of president, and you will never even win another election in Illinois. By the time this election is over, the King Will Have No Clothes to hide behind. The Socialist Plot has been exposed. We will not stand for Communism. Enough is enough. America's Silent Majority has awaken to the truth and will no longer be intimidated into Political Correctness and Silence by A Vocal and Vicious Immoral Minority who call themselves Liberals who have never found an atrocity that they could not defend or support.

Jerome Ennis, MA in Tuscaloosa, Al.

prima volta
My apologies. I am glad to hear that you have a job. I am glad to hear that you are heterosexual and monogomous. That proves you have some ideals and drive. I am sorry to hear about your dad. But, the VA does have some very fine hospitals with first class treatment. He is probably better off getting service from the VA than from many private hospitals.

I am more sorry though, that you believe that more taxes is the answer to fixing this broken system. There is plenty of money being extracted from workers and landowners and buyers generally to pay for an efficient government. But, there is not enough money to pay for All the worthless give away programs we have in place and a promise of creating more of them, which is what Obama is promising.

Yes, tax money has to be extracted to pay for government. I do not mind that. What this taxpayer minds is the way these guys and ladies spend it and on what they spend it. I believe in taxes to pay for roads, schools, bridges, infrastructure, police, military, etc. But I do not believe in paying for welfare for people able to work. I do not mind helping those who cannot help themselves. I have a huge problem with supporting people who will not work. I have a huge problem with a government that supplies my tax money to Illegals for Health Care, Food Stamps, Health Care, Education, and to make our teachers learn Spanish instead of having the Illegals become legal, and while at it, to learn English.
Take out waste, and disband 80 percent of the worthless government bureaucracies, beginning with the U.S. Dept. of Education, and there would be tax surplusess and plenty of money left to pay for social services to those Who Cannot Work due to age or mental or physical debilitation. There is not enough to continue to pay deadbeats to stay home, smoke crack, drink, wine, send their kids to government day care, and wathch Oprah and Jerry all day.

Prima Volta and Taxes cont.
To Prima Volta--My apologies.

Yes, tax money has to be extracted to pay for government. I do not mind that. What this taxpayer minds is the way these guys and ladies spend it and on what they spend it. I believe in taxes to pay for roads, schools, bridges, infrastructure, police, military, etc. But I do not believe in paying for welfare for people able to work. I do not mind helping those who cannot help themselves. I have a huge problem with supporting people who will not work. I have a huge problem with a government that supplies my tax money to Illegals for Health Care, Food Stamps, Health Care, Education, and to make our teachers learn Spanish instead of having the Illegals become legal, and while at it, to learn English.
Take out waste, and disband 80 percent of the worthless government bureaucracies, beginning with the U.S. Dept. of Education, and there would be tax surplusess and plenty of money left to pay for social services to those Who Cannot Work due to age or mental or physical debilitation. There is not enough to continue to pay deadbeats to stay home, smoke crack, drink, wine, send their kids to government day care, and wathch Oprah and Jerry all day. Enough is Enough. Wake Up Prima Volta. You sound like a nice lady. I used to be a bleeding heart just like you, and then I witnessed where this mentality carried this country in a short 40 years. This is not even close to the America I experienced growing up. We were a happy, prosperous, and peaceful society. The national murder rate per year 50 years ago was less than what it is in some of the Major Cities today. What is different? Conservatism and Morality as opposed to the present day Liberalism and Immorality and Irresponsibility of a Victim Culture.

Come quickly LORD
Even so come quickly Lord Jesus-you can't wait much longer...this world is groaning.

Socialism and It's Machines
The Government bureaucracies are their own empires. They are run by despots. They are funded by Tax Money. They are funded by the money that Congress doles out to them.
This writer had a professor at Auburn University about two and one half decades or so ago (25 years for Californians), who made the following statment (paraphrased here) during a lecture in a class that I, a liberal at the time was taking, called "Social Problems." The statement which I did not agree with then, but have found out through experience and observation as I have seen this country go bankrupt morally, intellectually, spiritually, environmentally, and finally financially. the statement was this: "Any time that you create a government agency or department, task force or anything else to deal with a 'perceived social problem, that the 'perceived social problem, not only will not improve or go away, the 'perceived social problem' is guaranteed to get worse and the numbers of 'so-called vicitims' will grow exponentially as the size and power of the government bureaucracy grows. The only way the Despotic Government Agency or Department to grow in size and power is to add victims to it's empire. Victims equals power and money. Therefore, the agency or department that may have started out with good intentions, the outcome becomes survival of the empire. And no despot ever gives up power and control willingly." That makes perfect since to this 'reformed liberal' now. Look at the state of Public Education after government intervention beginning in the 1960' and then with the Advent of The U.S. Dept. of Education in 1978 by Executive Decree of another naive Socialist, Jimmy Carter. Jimmy had good intentions, but as the old saying goes, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."



End of Economics and Social Welfare 101.

Good Day

M. Jerome Ennis, MAed, in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

To these teenage girls....
I have a vocabulary word for the day for you:

A...D...O...P...T...I...O...N

There are MANY wonderful MARRIED, MATURE couples who desperately long to have a baby and can't and your babies would have a much better chance at life being raised by them than by you.

Almost 20 years ago, I adopted the son of an unwed teenage mother, and you would have to look a long time to find a finer, happier young man.

prima volta
my earlier posting seems not to have gone through. In addition to income taxes there are also social secrity taxes, medicare tax, property taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, taxes on entertainment and all the taxes levied on businesses that they pass on the the consumer in the form of higher prices.

But less anyone forget the worst tax of all supporting all those dead people members of congress who cost the tax payers billions in their salaries, perks, expenses and what they waste just because they write the laws that lewt them get away with pilfering the treasury

Gary, there's more
Speaking as a teacher and as a former US Consular officer, I second Carolina Mom. Many Americans adopt abroad because the wait time is so long at home (small population--most unwanted kids get aborted).

But, Gary, you forgot something.

Kids, your schoolwork is going to suffer. You're going to have morning sickness in class and waste your teacher's and classmates' time as Teach has to write hall passes to avoid a mess on the floor. You're going to have a lot less energy as you carry the kid, and you'll fall asleep in class. After the babies are born, you'll have to have a lying in. When you get back to class, everyone will be a full quarter or more ahead of you.

So, with the competition for college being what it is, you may not get an higher education than your sophomore year of HS. So, kiss your dreams good-bye, girls.

Also, fatherless children tend to have lots, and lots more problems than those with an intact set of parents. In thirteen years, kids, you're going to have a back-talking, foul-mouthed, sloppy, disrespectful little lout on your hands. If you bear a boy, he'll have a greater chance of making you soooooo proud when you see him in his orange jump suit hard at work making license plates in the prison factory. Maybe, given the gang problem and the growing violence of the street, you'll say good-bye when he gets strapped to that prison gurney for murder. If you bear a girl, be prepared to be a grandma by the time you're thirty-three.

Who started this boneheaded idea? I suggest that she be publicly paddled--with her knickers down, since she's such a free spirit. Then again, that might do some damage to the baby.

Reply to Kepha
The choice has already been made and insulting these girls will solve nothing. Was it stupid and foolish? Yes. But we only know what we have been taught.
Now, these girls need someone to stand beside them and help them make some better decisions for themselves and their babies. And we can't rely on the parents who already let these girls down.
As to what will become of their children if they choose to raise them. Your scenario is not necessarily the outcome. I have worked with teen parents to teach parenting, life skills, and assist them in continuing their education. If these girls have someone to stand beside them, even if we don't agree with their decision, we can prevent another generation making the same or even worse decisions.

Prima Volta
You work for the UC system and cannot look at your paycheck and do simple math and see what is taken out in taxes? Ever look at your PG&E bill, cable bill or phone bill?

No wonder the schools here are so bad!!!!!

Greyhawk
Please quit attempting to paint all Californians as communist or I will paint all Alabamans as inbred.

Remember California gave you Reagan.

Cactushead
If I had a nickel for every Californian young newbie that has said those social programs just aren't structured right I could retire a multimillionaire.

Next stop...socialism is okay it just hasn't been done right.

Next stop...communism is okay it just hasn't been done right.

Somebody needs to send Prima a newsflash and teach her that government by the very design of the Founding Fathers was never intended to be efficient but was intended to be limited. You don't need efficiency when you are limited!!!

Asking the Federal Government, giant great big bloated bureaucracy that it is, to be efficient, is asking a 800lb. man to jump up and run the Boston Marathon. Impossible!

What next? Ask a 300lb woman to squeeze into a size zero pants? Ridiculous!

To Lolo
California did not give us Reagan! He was born and learned his values in Illinois! California was his acting gig and later his Governor's gig. His values are what brought him to the dance.

Learn your history and understand what the criticism is all about. Defending your local nutcase liberals should have some factual basis if you're giong to play the game.

Woody from Iowa

Greyhawk, Should you return...
Greyhawk
Location: AL

Reply # 43
Date: Jun 29, 2008 - 1:49 PM EST







This writer has to commend you on your wit.

The illiterate in this country, products of the Public Education System being dictated from the Murder Capitol of The United States, Washington D.C., actually do write like this, and their Liberal Teachers tell them, "Good Work Chaniqua or Tyrone, it's the thought and sentiment that countes. Who cares about spelling, grammar, content, context, syntax, etc.? I am your public school teacher, and I cannot even write intelligible sentences, read beyond 4th grade level, and do not have basic math skills, but I am a success and you too, can be a success. All you have to do is Care, and when something bad happens to you, just tell them you are a victim of This, or a Victim of That, it will get you sympathy and you will never have to be responsible for anything in your life." Vote Barack Hussein Obama, aka--Messiah---He will take care of All You Victims, and make sure you have plenty of company as I create More Social Programs that Enlists New Victims.

m. jerome ennis, MA in Tuscaloosa, Al

~~~

I do indeed, understand there is a lot of ignorance and illiteracy in our once fine country.

I was a College Professor for a while, and saw many raw examples of this.

I quit Acadamia, for a better job of Engineering, and again saw a lot of this same illiteracy in Managers, and other Engineers.

I also had a Niece that graduated with honors from her High School, that could not put a sentence together.

OBTW, if you would go read all of Wirs' earlier columns, you will understand the source of my spoof.

Rats
(and mice)


To Doug Giles
I seriously doubt any of the girls from Gloucester will ever read TH (I seriously doubt any of them can read at all). If this column was intended for TH readers, then you are just preaching to the chior.

and to BJ. You wrote,

"I have worked with teen parents to teach parenting, life skills, and assist them in continuing their education."

These teens didn't make "decisions", they comitted "acts". Euphemisms such as "making decisions" and "making mistakes" cloud what really occured. These teens are now mothers and must now raise thier children in a world where single teen mothers are fast becoming the hobos of yesteryear. Everyone sees them, acklowdedges them, but have no sympapthy for them.


Ratas y Ratones
Hey, I just returned. Thanks for the reply.

I have two town hall blogs that I post on occasion, but do not get a lot of readership. They are called: Take Back Our Schools and the other one is called Take Back Our Communities.

There is an old adage that says, "All politics is local." We have to get back to that. If we cannot even control what goes on in our schools and neighborhoods and do anything politically that matters, how in the world can we change those sell out bureaucrats and Politicians that have infested, and infected the national capitol?

But, it does start with the children. The Socialists that have taken over public education has dumbed down and indoctrinated children for quite awhile now, and we are seeing and experiencing the results today. It will be slow process taking back our country, but it will never happen if we do not start.

Public education was alwasy intended to be a local concern with local control. The only responsibility that the Federal or State governments was to see that they were adequately funded. LBJ ended this in the mid-1960's and with the advent of the U.S. Dept. of Education, a Jimmy Carter invention, the end of local control was absolute. The U.S. Dept. of Ed. mandates by blackmail; "do this or do that, or we, the U.S. Dept. of Ed. will keep your federal monies." Then, the states made their carbon copies of the Federal Bureaucracy, and then the Locals fall in line. There is more than enough being spent on education. Too much is spent on Administration of Schools, and Too little spent on things that actually work.

Stay in touch.

M. Jerome Ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama
jeromeennis@aol.com

Lolo1
I guess I'm spoiled. It's my partner who does all the money stuff. My paychecks go into direct deposit and I never look at the stubs. I know--any financial adviser would tell me this is a serious mistake and that is true. I have to start looking at that stuff. But for now, my partner tells me how much I need to give him for my share of the bills and I give him that amount. I hate dealing with money. But it's true--I should take charge at least enough to know how much I'm paying and being paid.

Schools: where it starts!
Schools today, being blackmailed by the U.S. Department of Education, are where the ignorance, dumbing down and indoctrination process begins. Over time, the government has made sure that "no kid was left un-indoctrinated" by the Socialist Agenda. Head Start programs guaranteed that the kids were taken away from families at an earlier age, even than Kindergarten, which by the way, was an invention of the Hitler Youth Corps movement. Hitler wanted to indcotrinate the kids into Loyalty To The Father Country--Germany, as opposed to loyalty to family and church. Now, we have Obama promising to implement Child Care Education beginning at Age two. And of, course, parents who do not want the responsibility for caring for their own children, jump on the band wagon for Obama, the same type parents who jumped onto the Head Start programs. What these parents may never have realized was that the government had an agenda: Take the hearts and souls of your children to firmly indoctrinate them into being subservient to the government as savior and benefactor.

The school system is upside down from how they ought to be formed and run. The schools have teachers now who are products of this dumbed down and brainwashed system. There truly are teachers out there in our schools who could not pass a college entrance exam, but were waived due to ethnicity, race, gender, color or someother so-called victimization label. There has never been a lack of intelligence or ability in humans, no matter the color, race, nationality or gender. This was a Federally mandated program that either was totally ignorant and full of good intentions, or was a Federally mandated program that knew exactly what they were doing---Dumbing Down and Brainwashing our children to teach them subservience and dependence on government.
Jerome Ennis in Tuscaloosa, Al.


missing element of sex ed
My youngest child is adopted from South Korea. The agonizing decision and unspeakable life long pain of placing a child for adoption out of love is not anything I can see as funny even with the best of intentions and snappy dialogue. We were hesitant to watch it at all, last week we relented. We’re sorry we did.

If you would like to give your teenage daughters a cautionary example of the seriousness of unwanted pregnancy get a copy of I Wish For You A Beautiful Life: Letters from Korean Birth mothers of Ae Ran Won to their Children.

Here are quotes from 4 letters:

...I needed money for an abortion, so I worked in the kitchen of someone's house. Once I had earned some money, I went to the hospital and saw you through the ultrasound. After hearing the beating of your heart, seeing your features through the screen, and feeling your movement in my body, I just couldn't have an abortion. I realized you were alive in my body, and I could not commit such an unpardonable sin..."pg. 53

"I had mixed feelings of joy and sorrow when you were born. I was happy that you were born safely, and I was sorry that I couldn't keep you. It grieved me that I had to let you go. My heart is so broken as I write this letter. I feel more pain than at any time in my life." pg.59

"But know this one thing-that even if you are brought up by someone else you will always be my baby and I will always have longing for you...Dear baby, I think of you many many times a day. Sometimes my heart is so burdened and I feel guilty because I have wronged you." pg. 77

"I used to wake up in the middle of the night, as if I heard your crying. But it was only a dream and you were not there. Then I cried because I missed you so much. Now I have learned to express my sorrow without crying. I have cried deep down in my heart with yearning for you." pg. 120

About Juno from an adoptive mom 1 of 2
About Juno from and adoptive mom 1 of 2

My husband and I saw Juno this week. We had not planned to watch it at all because the previews creeped us out. Then we decided to go in with an open mind and see if something funny and insightful could be observed in this kind of situation. We were even more disturbed by the end.

The main issue some conservatives have with Juno is that it portrays her decision as adoption vs. abortion. The problem with that is it treats fatherlessness as irrelevant and suggests ALL adoption situations are equal. This is not generally true in real life-most birth mothers tend to choose couples over single mothers as adoptive parents because birth mothers are often trying to “make amends” to their children by finding the most ideal situation possible-a married couple. These are women moved to compassion by love for their babies and are willing to make a sacrifice for them. Juno's choice to place her child with a single mother rather than one the huge number of childless couples competing for newborns in the US is a disservice to her child. The fact that the adoptive father bailed out was irrelevant in this movie.

In general there seemed to be an attitude toward men as irrelevant in the movie. The birth father of the child passively tells Juno to do what she wants. She reassures him her parents won’t tell his mother, he never has to give legal consent to the adoption even though there is scene with a lawyer present to negotiate and sign paperwork. At the end of the movie Juno and the birth father resume their high school romance with hanging out together and singing and playing music. The fact that this kind of thing would forever change someone is not even hinted at because it’s just too much of a downer for this quirky upbeat movie.

About Juno from an adoptive mom 2 of 2
Juno’s father and step mother have just as much a casual attitude about giving their grandchild up as Juno does. Some snappy banter and a few witty jabs pay lip service to the fact this is a tough situation, but the unbelievable pain and heartbreak that comes from placing a child for adoption is too real and completely out of place for the movie. So, they didn’t bother.

This is also the problem some have with the movie. Few people (especially flaky teenage girls like the ones in Mass.) have ever been up close to this type of situation and the only reference dippy girls influenced by media have are what they see in the movies. The idea that Juno just bounces back into her life where she left off before the baby was conceived is so misleading. These girls in Mass. Don’t seem to grasp the demands of motherhood that balance the perks. I doubt they also grasp how gutting it would be to give up a baby.

There seems to be this idea that if a woman places a child for adoption she should be forever at peace about it because she did the “right” thing, but the pain is permanent. And so much more so with abortion. There are no quick easy fixes. And it is the quick easy fix mentality that seems to be the root of the problem with these girls. They seem to be very focused on the perks of motherhood, but that is not balanced with an awareness of the responsibility and challenges that go with it.

About Juno from an adoptive mom 2 of 2
(Ok, maybe it will post this time)

About Juno from an adoptive mom 2 of 2

Juno’s father and step mother have just as much a casual attitude about giving their grandchild up as Juno does. Some snappy banter and a few witty jabs pay lip service to the fact this is a tough situation, but the unbelievable pain and heartbreak that comes from placing a child for adoption is too real and completely out of place for the movie. So, they didn’t bother.

This is also the problem some have with the movie. Few people (especially flaky teenage girls like the ones in Mass.) have ever been up close to this type of situation and the only reference dippy girls influenced by media have are what they see in the movies. The idea that Juno just bounces back into her life where she left off before the baby was conceived is so misleading. These girls in Mass. Don’t seem to grasp the demands of motherhood that balance the perks. I doubt they also grasp how gutting it would be to give up a baby.

There seems to be this idea that if a woman places a child for adoption she should be forever at peace about it because she did the “right” thing, but the pain is permanent. And so much more so with abortion. There are no quick easy fixes. And it is the quick easy fix mentality that seems to be the root of the problem with these girls. They seem to be very focused on the perks of motherhood, but that is not balanced with an awareness of the responsibility and challenges that go with it.

everyone...
I am a crime scene photographer. I, unfortunately have to see much of when babies are NOT aborted...with people who don't want them. I believe in adoption. I think it's the noblest and most generous of things that can be done.

There are twilight zones of foster care...welfare, inducements to NOT marry, rather than marry.
There is no respect for gay couples who adopt and there are children who are not ideal enough for couples who want to adopt.

We have created a world distorted and ignorant still, about gender, orientation, marriage, job prospects and family cohesion.

How to fix it, is a matter of measuring reality, confronting ignorance, comprehensive expansion of information, and the emotional dignity of the young, not just Draconian disciplines.
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