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Saturday, November 24, 2007
Doug Giles :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Smoked the Ganja
by Doug Giles
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Presidential hopeful Barack Obama confessed to a group of teens this week at Manchester Central High School in Manchester, New Hampshire that when he was their age he used to be a dope smokin’ fool.

Barack outed himself as being a former Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds member of his high school bong brigade. He put the high in high school. BO’s mea culpa immediately accomplished a few things: It solidified Snoop Dogg’s, Willie Nelson’s and Montel’s votes in the primaries, and it also sent some of my conservative compadres into a five alarm hissy fit.

Yep, several of my VRWC buddies were popping blood veins in their foreheads, stating that Obama’s admission could encourage young ‘uns to use drugs, and because of this he was “unwise” in telling the little squabs that he formerly sought solace in a thick cloud of sinsemilla.

One pundit this week said that kids can’t handle that kind of candor and thus certain things should be kept from their fragile psyches. FYI, my la-la-land concerned brother: Teens today have seen and heard things in the public school system by the time they’re 11 that were reserved only for the eyes of Courtney Love, Robert Mapplethorpe and Timothy Leary twenty years ago. Trust me . . . Obama dropping the weed bomb on our teenage wasteland probably didn’t raise a multi-pierced tattooed eyebrow.

Mitt Romney waded in on BO’s former teen weed burning divulgence and condemned it, saying that Obama’s confession sent a bad message to young people, namely that you can “get high and become president.”

First of all Mitt, you gotta relax, man . . . Obama, like you, is not going to become president, so chill, okay? In addition, as a good religious man you should applaud his honesty in owning his previously bad record, right? I mean c’mon, Mr. Romney . . . at least he’s up front about it. He didn’t flip flop on what he did in the past or try to explain away why he did what he did to ingratiate himself to a gullible voting block in a sad and desperate attempt to become president.

Another conservative said this week that Barack coming forward with the admission that he toked the ganja was not only unwise but was also a bad example for children. Telling the truth has now become a bad example? I believe that was Larry Craig who said that. I could be wrong.

The absolute cake taker freaking out over Barack’s breasting of his dirty deeds was a 350lb chubby Christian who was all up in arms regarding Obama’s former relationship with the cannabis. He too said that such an admission left a poor pattern for young people. I was thinking, yeah? Well, so does being morbidly obese, chunky butt. Hey, Jabba . . . being a bloated, self righteous crank with a totemic view of vice is also a bad example for the children, so dial down and take care of your own house, Jenny Craig.

Do I think leaders need to be an example to young people? Yes, leaders need to be an example which includes being honest and up front with the stupid stuff they did in the past. By the way, everyone looking to have a perfect boy for president, I will remind you that leaders are human and thus fallible. Heck, even great leaders in the Bible and throughout history did some whacked stuff. Here’s a short list:

• Moses killed a man. That’s not right.

• Abraham slept with his housekeeper and had a bastard child via that illicit affair. Oops!

• Samson openly dated a prostitute. Hello.

• David committed adultery, fathered a kid through that liaison, and to cover his faux pas had his lover’s husband liquidated. Mamasita!

• Paul used to murder Christians. Isn’t that special?

• Peter had a potty mouth, and once in a difficult strait denied his affiliation to Christ.

That’ll get you kicked off of TBN now wouldn’t it?

• Sir Winston Churchill used to suck down cigars and scotch like there was no tomorrow while dictating to his female secretary whilst butt naked. Would you vote for a dude now who did that? Of course you would. You voted for Bill Clinton.

Were this week’s confessions by Obama motivated by some supposed dirt Hillary has on him? Who knows, and who cares? If that’s the worst she has on him I say Obama can exhale because the Clintons are dirtier than Howard Stern sitting in the Mojave desert eating a mud pie and chasing it down with a cup of dust. You can relax, BO.

Now, obviously, because I’m a conservative I would never vote for the young senator—but I do appreciate Barack and even Rudy for being honest and owning their checkered pasts. It’s refreshing to hear the truth every now and then in a milieu that’s ripe with bull such as “I didn’t inhale; it wasn’t my fault; I did not have sex with that woman; and I never flip flopped.”

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Look what he smokes NOW!
I don't care if he smoked weed decades ago. I do care that he smokes cigarettes today. In my book that makes him an idiot. We don't need another idiot in the White House.

Gasp!
I am just SHOCKED!

Is that it? Is this the cards that Hildabeast is clutcing to her chest?

Go to war Miss Agnes! Words cannot express my dismay and horror!

Read!
If any of you people ever picked up a book and actually read something other than right wing blogs, you would already know that Obama talked about using drugs in his first book. Very candid.

Of course, W was probably stoned in April, 1972. That would explain his inability to take his physical with the TANG.

But, I digress.

News flash
Jesus is not running for prez. I'm sure the kiddies are shocked. It reminds them of something they saw on south park!
I don't read liberal tripe, I suppose that makes one uninformed?

And to think that Eleanor Clift said,

earlier this year on The McLaughlin Group, that the big problem Obama was going to have was that he was a smoker.

Yeah! Ha! Little did she know.


Wait.. maybe Eleanor was right!

Somehow I think the the fact that Obama smokes cigaretts is probably going to be a MUCH bigger deal than the fact that he smoked pot, and inhaled, of course.

They're liberals!!!!!! Hellooooo!

Pot = Forgivable.. no big deal!
Cigarettes = HEAVEN FORBID! sin!







Anne
I think you are on to something....

My liberals friends see nothing wrong with B. Hussein Obama having smoked marijuana. They tell me he's still OK if he did it today because it is "accepted" as a medicinal drug.

All wholly hades broke loose when I asked about his cigarette habit, though...

katy
I'm surprised Mrs. Clinton would even throw one stone at that particular glass house. If she thinks some of her opponents will refrain from playing dirty, she is miscalculating badly.

President
Darn!! Had I only known! I could have run! I mean I quit smoking 8 years ago, I quit drinking 25 years ago, And a long time ago, I tried pot. Why didn't I figure? Compaired to these guys, I'm a saint! Yup...

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!!!

Inhaling
LOLOLOl Eastlake:) You should have run. I not only smoked pot, but inhaled it deeply, as much as I could and as often as I could, way back then, but it has been 27 years since I last smoked a joint and almost 35 years since I last had a cigarette. So, what is wrong with Barak Hussein admitting that he inhaled way back when? Nothing. If anything it makes him more colorful and endearing. Hell, Bush was probably doing coke when he went awol back there in '72 and simply disappeared, back before he made going awol into patriotism, and along with his drunk-driving convictions.

But there really is nothing wrong with smoking pot, other than the cigarette companies keep the lobbying dollars flowing to make it illegal and their revenues up. It does not cause cancer or other lung diseases; hell, it is even medical now. it does not kill people like alcohol does. What's wrong with it?

Yes indeed
This must be the dirt Ms. Klinton had on him. Oohh.

A non issue for me. Been around since 8,000 BC. Waste of time to regulate it just like alcohol. It has apparently distorted his judgment otherwise he would not be running as a democrat. I could vote for a current or past cannabis user if their views on foreign policy and the limits of government were closer to mine.

This is a historic article
This is Doug's 1st article where he hasn't wasted space trying to convince us he's a macho man: hunts, drinks, smokes, TKD, etc. Hurray! (Does anybody know if he's over 5' tall?)

Not to mention, he actually made a decent, if poorly written, point about Obama's smoking marijuana decades ago not being a big deal.

Another good one Doug
LOL, Hillary's secret goods is the fact that Obama once lit up in the "no smoking" section of a restaurant. Every liberal in the country will be hunting him with a noose. That's right, it's not a hate crime to hang smokers.

Oh the humanity!!
Moses saw but never got to go to the promised land because of his sin.....Abraham, we know where that went, talk about non-kissing cousins......Sampson paid dearly, I mean he did not go out as a king.....What happened to David's son?.....The scales had not fell from Pauls eyes as of yet......you get the point, This is all about Hitlery's private SS stormtroopers and the damage they can do to the competition as much as it has to do about liberals typical attitude, reactionary's trying to be everything to everybody, he is so far White, black, muslim, christian, peace loving, warmonger(pakistan), Fiscally moderate, tax and spend liberal. No wonder most demoncats are screwed up in the brain. Anyone trying to be all things to all people are no good to anyone. These are the new lib. canidates, No military background and no respect for the rule of law, MAKING LAWS.There is no good canidates on the left that can bring this country in any new direction but down.

USMC Lt.
So you have to condemn someone who admits to trying some dope when "young and stupid", but have to valiantly defend someone who is supposed to be "older and wiser" who then gets done for drunken driving?

Cute, real cute, Marie.

USMC Lt.
It's okay to condemn someone admitting when they were "young and stupid" they tried some dope.

Yet you must so vehemently defend someone who was supposed to be "older and wiser" who got picked up for drunken driving?

Cute, Marie, Real Cute.

Oh, but LIEUTENANT, THAT'S LOGICAL!
Stop that! Stop that right now! We just cannot have logic happening around here! You should know that.

Now go stand in the corner and think about what you've just done! :-)




The fact that Obama...
...smokes tobacco in the form of cigarettes is a plus in my book.I look at the critics of smoking and am glad I am not one of them.

But Did He Inhale?
That's really the most important factor to consider

As usual, Giles is spot on...

and of course very funny.

The only thing funnier was how many posts it would take before "someone" had to bring Pres. Bush into the discussion.... "Yeah but Bush did..."

I was right, didn't take long at all, did it?




USMC Lt... :-)


How are you doing?



COOKIE CUTTER RESPONCES!
So the lefties come on to post that the rightwing is shocked that demoncats use mind altering drugs. Um, (BORING), no we know that you all use drugs/alcohol and realize that is what keeps you in the demoncat party. Every press conference I have ever seen with demoncats they all looked to have ingested something to help ease the pain of being a deviant. Lack of consentration is a sign of drug use so it would explain why the left has not been able to accomplish anything in your "First Hundred Days",nothing. I love all the retorts about GWB's DUI but he never killed anyone by deserting them to drown alone. B. Hussein Obama used drugs, so what, He already made himself a non contender by all the incredibly ridiculous statements and stands on the issues. His popularity is totally based on hitlery's hater's in the neo-lib and moderate demoncat America. The polly-annish label on conservatives is intellectually lazy. Vote straight GOP party line in '08.

Drawing the Line
As long as he doesn't wear Usher's new fragrance, I don't care what he does or did. How YOU doin' Usher ?

Doug
I believe the term is "buck naked."

Obama's political preemption
Given that Hillary had this hanging on him, Obama’s admission before a group of kids was a preemptive move to lessen the bad news when disclosed by the Hillary gang. But this was done in a tasteless way. Here we have a shallow man of Muslim heritage from a state that represents the collapse of American society and the opportunism invested in democracy, whose popularity is best exemplified by mesmerizing his follows in emotional camp meetings.

Otis: If obama had already addressed

this in his book, are we sure that "this" is what HELLary is supposed to be holding over obama's head?

I have no clue; I'm just sayin'.....




Tobacco vs. marijuana
Hold it! Who's the person that thinks marijuana is not injurious to ones health? Good grief! It burns hotter than regular tobacco and you are still inhaling smoke, you silly person. People die of smoke inhalation! I guess you are living in lala-land!

In addition
In the 40's my mother was prescribed some strange powder that she had to burn and inhale the smoke to help open her breathing passages when she had asthmatic attacks. She switched to the regular inhalants when they were available. I've told doctors about the burning powder and they are astounded1 My mother died of lung cancer in her early 60s. Medicine, eh?

weed
i won't vote for anyone who won't admit to past drug use.

osthode
and here in lala land we cook with marijuana and vaporize it. no smoke. look up marijuana vaporizer. there is no need for the government to protect me from smoke anymore.

Justifying sin using the bible?
What foolish things Obama did as a kid in this regard....excusable. Using his previous foolish actions as a means to garner rapport with drug using youth....that is not excusible (my hope is that he was using the occasion to preach against smoking dope...wasn't there obviously).

But, our author using the Bible as a defence of sinful activity is a misuse. The bible is the faithful account of how foolish man's sins have been atoned for, not the story of how you can sin too becuase the sinful patriarchs of the faith sinned. Their sins are part of the greater redemptive story. Also, their sins were against a backdrop of complete justice mixed with perfect mercy as appropriate to the old and new testament covenants. Nobody just got away with sinning......

Anyway, this is not a theological blog, but when our conservative hosts write in such a manner it is justfied to speak in defence of the truth.

Comparison
President Bush didn't just have a couple of beers. Not only was he an admitted alcoholic but there is huge evidence, in spite of careful purging of records, that he took cocaine and did community service after an arrest. He then cleaned up his act and ran for President. Obama smoked marijuana as a teenager. He then cleaned up his act and ran for President. The first is noble, the second is reprehensible. What am I missing here?

Maybe here's what's missing. When Bill Clinton ran for President we heard ad nauseam about the shame of his having taken an academic deferment from service in Vietnam because he was a student. When Dick Cheney made himself Vice-President we heard briefly that he took FIVE academic deferments from Vietnam because he was a student, and when asked about this he just answered, "I had other priorities".

One standard for Republicans, another for Democrats. That's what's missing. And every single time Republicans try to present Obama as a druggie they are going to hear about Bush as a drunk AND a druggie. Probably they calculate, "Who cares?" since Bush isn't running again.


I agree
with the person who said he or she wouldn't vote for anyone who said they never tried pot. I have a few friends for which that was true. But in most cases, I would assume the speaker was lying.

The key isn't admitting to youthful fallibility. The key is admitting that IT WAS WRONG, and not holding it up as a badge of cool. Of course people should be able to overcome youthful indiscretions (or even adult ones) and become President. Seen any perfect people around lately?

As for kids not being able to understand - don't be ridiculous. I'm 46 years old, and what was going on in the school where I went to junior high (read, 12 years old) would get an R rating today. Kids are no different from adults; they smell bull$hit a mile away.

Good for Obama for coming forward. And more power to him if that was Hillary's big bombshell (though I doubt it).

Now, if we could just get adults to acknowledge that the premarital sex they all engaged in was a horrible idea...

lilly: It's not a matter of "what"

you're missing... you seem to miss EVERYTHING!

"... huge evidence, in spite of careful purging of records, that he took cocaine..."

You would JUST LOVE to believe that, wouldn't you?

"He then cleaned up his act and ran for President." Really? lilly, you do seem to have a knack for looking at things only the way you "want" to look at them... accuracy having nothing to do with it.

The fact is, Pres. Bush stopped drinking many, many years before he ran for pres.

You really do have an accute case of BDS, don't you?





Where's Hillary's Confession ???

Most liberals are still "users". It's a special club; with many members.

From my experience... Most Liberals who stopped "using", are all Republicans now.

"Free the Weed!" is a Democrat trademark. It has matured into clean suits... but is still the Party trademark.

Are politicians sleepy-eyed... or stoned ?

Anybody...
...who grew up in the 60's/70's who says they never smoked pot, or smoked but didn't inhale, is a LIAR.

Great post by Giles
Its always better to be up front, just look how embarrassed Bush was when it came out he was a drunk driver and was arrested, or the revelations that he snorted coke. Its a miracle that after 3 DWI's never murdered anyone on the road. Going hunting with Cheney is foolish, no wonder he made that guy he shot apologize.

mystic7: EXCUSE ME???


I was in high school and college in the 60's & 70's, and NEVER ONCE, in my life, have I EVER smoked pot, or as you say, smoke but didn't inhale.

And, I'll thank you to NOT call me a liar!


The message
The deeds aren't so relevant as the message he delivered to youth, which was: you can go ahead and use now, then someday you can run for president. That's what any user wants to hear (it's ok for now).
All that in the aid of "getting out in front of" the bad PR that Ms. Clinton was about to unleash on him.

SunThe1
"All that in the aid of "getting out in front of" the bad PR that Ms. Clinton was about to unleash on him."

Which news source is peddling this?

Anne ...

mystic7 must be referring to Liberals? Even then, some weren't "users".

Many Dem politicians like to mention they smoked weed, "once". It's a code-word for saying, "I'm cool with legalizing drugs".

Of course, they also like to mention they have a friend who is a "Reformed Convicted Felon" as well?

What a great voting block.

big mon
Well, then, tobacco packets must be fine, too!

Question: when you cook with marijuana and the smoke vaporizes, does the drug value vaporize as well, as when you cook with liquor? If so, what's the purpose? Just asking. Obviously, I'm not thoroughly educated on drug use.

Obama Chops down the Coco tree

"The deeds aren't so relevant as the message he delivered to youth, which was: you can go ahead and use now, then someday you can run for president. That's what any user wants to hear (it's ok for now)."

This idea is pretty far fetched and the Republicans who were going to vote Guiliani would have to vote els where because he agrees with Obama's honesty. Kids might learn a lesson about honesty as well, something sorely lacking in today's politics.

Giles
Smoking pot= Dem resume enhancement
Smoking pot= Rep OHH THE HORROR
YAAAAWWWWNNN!!
Besides that,Obama is smoking FOR THE CHILDREN,or did you all forget about that?

mystic7
Hey. I grew up in the 60s and 70s and I never tried pot! I'm not a liar. I knew a lot of kids that did, my brother even, but I guess I was just never that curious.

I tried cigarettes, briefly, and couldn't figure out why anyone would spend the money to have a sore throat and stinky clothes (and I grew up in a house with smokers...I was the only one in my family that never picked up the habit)

So, you can call me a liar if you want, but I am the exception to your 'rule' and I can't believe I am the only one! I guess you need to rethink your broad-brush approach to the boomer generation.


Carlos

Many Dem politicians like to mention they smoked weed, "once". It's a code-word for saying, "I'm cool with legalizing drugs".

Here is just one example of dems against drugs.

"The war against drugs has already become a central issue in the New York Democratic primary campaign. Following the lead of the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who has made a firm stand against drugs a centerpiece of his Presidential campaign from the beginning, both Gov. Michael S. Dukakis of Massachusetts and Senator Albert Gore Jr. of Tennessee have made drugs a major part of their public appeals."

Also, it should be noted Reagans drug policy, like the R ones one illegal immigration and abortion, are a flop. Its gets them votes and then they make a good p.r. show and forget about it.




Great column
Obama might even be more honorable that W. Insofar as honor is held to represent virtues such as integrity. Bush's bait and switch, pretend conservatism has gotten this country into far more trouble down the road than Obama's admission ever will, or for that matter the fact that marijuana happens to be legal (even if trying it would appear to be foolish). So let's thank Mr. Giles for an honest column and not marching in lockstep with traditional, mainstream, RINO Republicanism.

knight_of_baawa

It depends...

If you're "using", should you be raising children... driving on the expressway... working on a bulldozer... carrying a weapon...

I'm not preaching, but isn't it hard to regulate moderation?

USMC Lt.
as long as you don't turn out like Murtha ..... not to say that he doesn't have a 'right?' to disagree about the nations foreign policy. It's what he says and how he says it.
Really doesn't characterize him as an officer and a gentleman. Just another polititian. Vermin like child molesters, rapists, and lawyers.

Judging books by their covers...
If you are looking for dirt, it will be found. I for one get tired of the process of figuring out whether the substance of the dirt is of consequence to the situation at hand.

The draw to be a high ranking ELECTED politician is great, in the terms of power and wealth, and the person must subject themselves to public scrutiny. The public sees what they want to see regardless of the evidence.

ELECTED politicians know that the electorate is both fickle and ungrateful and will turn on a dime on perceived impropriety whether substantive or not. Discerning the heart and soul of a person and especially a politician is a pursuit in futility.

For me, since I live in a glass house, I try not to throw stones. I hope for a person I can vote for who lives and conducts themselves honorably, with moral decency and respect because of the lessons of life.

If I have not walked in your (the poltician's) shoes, I cannot judge how you (the politician) have dealt with life. I can only decide if it effects your ability to do what is right today as it relates to me.


osthode, anne, carlos
thc is oil soluble so you are best off making butter with it. the thc does break down a bit in heat but it isn't cooked out like alcohol and is used for it's effects rather than it's taste. vaporizers heat the marijuana enough to extract the thc but not warm enough for the plant to burn.

anne- i believe you when you say you have never smoked weed. that's one of your problems

carlos- it sounds like you are a big government liberal. you're right though, we should let the federal government choose our weekly food menu's as well.

So what
if Obama smoked pot, or Bush, or Clinton or whoever, that is, was or wants to be president.

It may be a problem getting a top secret clearance as a civillian or for a soldier, but not to become president. Presidents/politicians are held at different standards, than those they command and order to fight/die in their battles or to watch over the populace. Why should it matter at all if they smoke some herb.

History shows, that it is acceptable for a president to have abused illegal or legal substances that alter ones frame of mind. Has something changed? Does it only matter if it is Obama.

As far as I'm concerned it should be an automatic disqualifier, for any politician/government worker, elected or appointed. No comprimise is what I say. Put em all in jail. Id love to see a SWAT team decend on Obama and drag him out of a rally in hand cuffs, tasering him all the way to the door. Then again whats good for the goose, is also good for the gander. Any political figure who has self admitted to the crime of abusing drugs, should have the same done, to them. No matter who it is. Imagine that, a man running for president, admits that he has commited drug crimes and we all will laugh it off and vote them into office. We are idiots.

Did the war on drugs end or something or did I miss the declaration that it has.


carlos
"I'm not preaching, but isn't it hard to regulate moderation?"

-right now illegal drugs are regulated by the criminals on the black market. you think that is the best way to handle the regulation of the drug market, which exists no matter which hole you put your head in?

big mon...

You'll make a good parent...

And when some "stoned" teenage Obama, runs over your toddler... will you still think your "cool"?

Please compare the number on drunk/stoned drivers who kill, to the number of Americans killed in Iraq. You may realize our kids are safer in a war zone.

Sad truth... liberals don't face reality.


John L.
If your policy were to take place, these people would have to run for the hills.

1. Hillbilly heroin user Rush Limbaugh
2. George Bush
4. Dick Cheney
5. Luara Bush
6. State Sen. Tommy Robertson (R-Moss Point)
7. John OConnor, 34, a Fallon Republican

carlos
???
what about a drunk teenager? or just some stupid easily distracted teenager?
don't equate the effects of alcohol with the effects of other drugs. i've been around and done just about everything except needles. only one drug have i seen people overdose and die on. only one leads the way in causing car wrecks-alcohol.
marijuana is such a mild intoxicant that i can only hope my kid prefers a bong to a bottle.
your analogy to kids in a war zone was incredibly stupid and crass. saying that more people die in alcohol related accidents than in iraq is true only because hundreds of millions of people drive each day...not quite as many in iraq

carlos
but your faith in the power of large, intrusive government is inspiring. do you want to take my guns away as well?

big mom: A problem that I'm not

a secular socialist, left wing nutjob?

That's a problem? Huh? Who knew?

But, thanks for sharing. :-)



During the 60's and 70's
the social prohibition against drug use was very mild. It would appear that numerous people coming out of those times will have drug use in their background and now running for office will need to fess up. Considering the posts of many before me, I sense a rather unjudgemental approach to drug use as young people and a readiness to accept anyone who has repented the use of drugs when they were " young and foolish" a phrase President Bush used to describe his involvement. However, about him, if you are on the left you have little or no acceptance of his past sins. I have read many of your blogs describing him as a drunk and drug user while implying he is still one or his former use suggests he is weak and unreliable because of the use. Double standard, right?

Coming out of the 50's when alcohol was the drug of choice, it is still not easy to accept recreational drug use and many in my age group are not as comfortable with the easy assumption that any one coming out of the drug times was an experimenter and that is no big deal.

And who are the voters in largest numbers,the older generation.

Idiots
So smoking makes one an idiot,hmm.All those in past years,some of the best minds in the world were idiots.You sir are a hater.No,I don't smoke

big mon..

Each time a parent lights-up or bottoms up... The parent gives less attention to their kids. Children cannot relate to an intoxicated parent. It warps their sense of reality.

Try the 12 step program, and quit ignoring reality. Anyone who "uses", has personality flaws and emotional issues... just ask any liberal therapist.




carlos
not everyone has children. i don't and don't plan on it. and i don't care about your kids. you raise them- don't expect me to.
"users"? there is a difference between use and abuse. i would say someone who is afraid to ever experiment has personality flaws and emotional issues...of course everyone on the planet has these things (except of course carlos, who lives without sin).
what about a "user" of coffee. that plant is a drug that is more dangerous and addictive than marijuana.
just because you can't control yourself you shouldn't endorse a large military government war on the people.

What a Candidate should say...

"Abusers of Drugs and Alcohol have personality defects and emotional issues. People intoxicate themselves to avoid facing their personal problems."

No need to ban anything... Just remind Americans that intoxicants are a crutch for the weak-minded:)

Don't believe me? Just try sobriety for a few years... you will soon find your old drinking/smoking buddies extremely boring :)

There's a reason for the term.. "Dead-Head".


Shallow man
> a shallow man of Muslim heritage <

Why are radicals like the shallow man who used this description of Obama(B Hussein Obama is the other ridiculous example of attempting to associate him with Saddam) not having their feet held to the fire by thinking conservatives?

Why is it that Bush Hatred Syndrome is considered more a mental deficiency than this type of hatred syndrome.

I don't agree with Obama because he's too much of a socialist, but I respect what he's accomplished and his obvious leadership skills. It's sad that hatred and lies go unchallenged by conservatives who like to portray themselves as the ones who are motivated by facts and reality, as opposed to emotion and obfuscation.

carlos
so are you saying we should legalize drugs and let free men and women act as they choose so long as they don't hurt anyone else?

Okay big mom, here we go with the

ridiculous "non-arguments."

So coffee is a plant, and possibly more "addicitve" that marijuana. Could be.

But does drinking coffee impair you in any way?

Probably NOT! And, I think that's more or less the criteria that we're looking at here.

But, based on the content of your posts, and the grammar, etc., I suspect that you're under some influence right now!



anne
coffee can kill you. marijuana cannot. i am currently under the influence of both-it's sunday morning and it's my body.

Vic, Anne, USMC Lt.
GOOD NEWS (except for Robert & Co.).

The film "Redacted" might turn out to be the biggest box office bomb in Motion Picture History.

The N.Y. Post reported today that in a small opening over the weekend, it took in under $27,000. The Post added, ".....which means roughly 3,000 people saw it in the entire country."

It now joins "Lions for Lambs" as the other major box office disaster of 2007.

How sweet it is.

Three bottom feeders, Mark Cuban, Brian DePalma and Robert Redford, all at the bottom of the Hollywood Barrel!

big mom: "coffee can kill you....

marijuana cannot." Really? Who told you that? Your supplier?

Sounds like substance impaired rationalization to me! :-)

But, you're right. It is your body, so have at it. Just don't be lecturing to those who don't.

Cheers! :-)





LIBERAL SMACK DOWN JAMBOREE

....Giles ...I find your cutesy colorful rhetoric hard to follow at times...

....Kinda like eating a dirt pie so's I could spit mud into a Liberal's face as I made him dance a Fandango whilst I shot off a couple of his toes with my Kimber Pro Convert II .45 ACP .....COLOSSUS

Taft.
Thanks for the list. We are at war on drugs and terror and the government has repeatedly said they are intertwined. Drug money goes to terroists, I have no doubt cause the government has said so and anyone doing or purchasing illegal drugs is funding the terroists. I don't care when it was, where it was or who it is. If they admittedly have done illegal activities and helped to fund terrorism, they should be cosidered enemy combatants.

I have no doubt, that after the passing of the patriot act 1 and 2 and the passage of the 2006 military commisions act, it is so. Length of time should have no bearing when their self admitted crimes have occurred and whether they can be charged or not and further, I believe that the fore mentioned laws justify my statements.

Every means possible should be used, to stop, apprehend and jail anyone involved in the support of terroism and if that means arresting self admitted drug criminals, so be it.

Laws are not jokes or funny, or to be diregarded bacause of who you are. The law is the law and since the passage of the formentioned, the statute of limitations has been removed in regards to supporting terrorism. It no longer matters when the crime was committed and if the illegal substances they abused, in anyway supports/supported terroist activities, then they are enemy combatants and shoulds be put before a military tribunal.

I don't think it is cute or funny that The President, First Lady or Obama have publically admitted to committing drug crimes in violation to our laws. Without the burden of trial, they are self proclaimed drug users and criminals. There is nothing funny about it when Americans are dying on the streets of Iraq and in South America fighting terrorist drug cartels.

Nothing funny at all.

Repeat after me: "President Obama."
Now try it again, this time without puking. There there, it'll get easier as time goes by, and just try to ignore the Muslim prayer wailings coming from the White House balcony five times a day.

Research has shown that marijuania use
isn't as benign as once thought. It tends to gravitate to the fatty tissues most notably, the brain and the reproductive tissues. Hmmm marijuania users, could you be smarter and more stable than you are?

I was in the field long enough to see teens I dealt with in the 60's return as parents. Does "burn out" mean anything to some of you. And are you willing to take the chance.

big mon...

Listen to yourself... You are getting emotional over a plant. Do you see the defect there?

If I'm so stupid, then read Anne's posts instead. Any sober opinion is better than none:)

I've tried the drugs and alcohol. Now I would like you to try the sobriety. Then we will be able to speak with common-ground.

Intoxicants do not release you from your inhibitions... they solidify your fears.


loco
"as benign as once thought"???
are you crazy? google harry anslinger and learn a bit about how "the killer weed" became illegal.

Taft which news source
I was referring to the stories over the past week or two that held the Clinton campaign had some damaging stuff on Obama that they were "not going to use", which is code for "let your imaginations run wild" and "of course we won't use it but we'll leak it sometime".
PR people usually advise people to "get out in front of the story" and thus control and defuse it.
It seems reasonable to assume that may have had something to do with his speech. But maybe not. Maybe he was just trying to be in rock-star character.
I still think his message was lousy and he did a disservice to youth.

Lemski
Surely you'll feel the same way about laws that will be passed due to global warming hysteria in a similar fashion that reefer madness hysteria led to ridiculous marijuana laws.

Charles
Wow indeed!

you said: " Christian Republicans are not gonna vote for him anyway, and it is not because he smoked weed, it is because they are racists and he is black. They will not even bother listening to his positions on policies, it is because he is black. "

I was following along with your post there for a bit and then you spouted the above nonesense.

I don't care if he smoked weed in the past. I don't care if he's black, or half-black, or green. I don't like his socialist policies. He's an empty suit. A well-spoken, and sometimes very earnest and appealing empty suit, but an empty suit nonetheless.

Some of my best friends are black. So, once again, I am an exception to the rule for those of you who would paint all Christian/ White/ Republicans with the same brush.

There are a good number of folks out there that vote without listening to the candidate's positions, I'll grant you that...but that error is not confined to EITHER side of the political aisle.


BO & Weed
A couple of comments, kids hear all kinds of things from other kids. The smart ones want to know if what they hear is right or wrong. If adults don't offer any boundaries, don't invalidate any rumor, kids have no reason to resist anything. Now when a pusher says, try this, your mom, your pop, not even the President of the US will care, why should the kid say no?

Charles writes:
"Christian Republicans are not gonna vote for him anyway, and it is not because he smoked weed, it is because they are racists and he is black. They will not even bother listening to his positions on policies, it is because he is black.
------------------------------------
There's actually four reasons I won't vote for him.

(a) He smokes weed.

(b) I'm a racist (throw in xenophobic homophobe for good measure)

(c) He's black.

(d) HE'S A MUSLIM.

And guess what? I'm not really a christian.

Greetings, Anne, my lovely. Still in fine fettle I see. Go get 'em, m'dear.

Motley Crue
> just try to ignore the Muslim prayer wailings coming from the White House balcony five times a day.<

So, you feel the need to lie in order to not even make a point? You are embarrassed, right?

carlos
you are a complete idiot. you have taken my argument that the government should be limited in it's powers and have turned it into youe dry-drunk hypocrite argument.
i don't recommend anyone use any drugs, although some are worse than others, but i am against large government intervention in personal lives. and again, the more drugs you make illegal the more black market goods you create.
you must burn money in the fireplace if you support the "war"on drugs.

carlos
how much better off would your life be than it is now if you had spent time in prison for drinking?

Can't wait
... until this blip on the news horizon runs its course.

It's neither an act of great heroism nor a paroxysm of reprehensibility for Obama to report that he used drugs as a kid. Presumably he goes on to say it was stupid and he's glad he stopped. If he doesn't say that, well, he's a socialist leftist and I wasn't going to vote for him anyway.

Next topic.

Panch. You're an idiot.
.

Very telling
Motley Crue shows that some self procalimed conservatives can be just as moronic as liberals.

carlos
"Listen to yourself... You are getting emotional over a plant. Do you see the defect there?"

-haha. this is funny because i am currently writing my thesis on endangered plants and distribution patterns. i guess i can get emotional over plants.
i didn't start smoking weed until i was in college so i guess you could fairly say that marijuana use has led to harder things...like grad school.

utahnotmormon. Snooze.
.

Who's the idiot?
There's actually four reasons I won't vote for him.

(a) He smokes weed.

(b) I'm a racist (throw in xenophobic homophobe for good measure)

(c) He's black.

(d) HE'S A MUSLIM.
.............................................

(a) smoked- past tense

(b) racists are idiots

(c) see b

(d) an outright fabrication

John L.
I'm not sure where you get the idea that I, or anyone would take the fight against terrorism lightly. As a metric, what would you do with a president like Bush, who instead of making terrorism go down by spending a trillion dollars and putting our troops in harms way, actually increased terrorism 4 times than what it had been. Maybe it was just incompetence, but still, the public should demand impeachment. Not over a blow job this time but over a blown job. And as a public duty, its time to turn of Michele Malkins and nutty Coulters and Fox News and start getting good news reporting. PBS, NPR. C-Span, or even sesame street, anything other than Fox!

Charles
I think you are correct. However, the law is the law, no matter how you slice it. If the law says, that buying drugs, using drugs or whatever, is supporting terrorism, who am I or you to decide who can violate the laws. No one forced these individuals to stand up and self incriminate themselves, they did so freely. They should be held accountable, just like you or me.

They are not above the laws they create and should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us. The very same laws they created should be used to put them on trial and ultimately in jail.

My sons, should die for what they impose on others and not themselves, I don't think so.

This may seem trivial in the light of todays world and events, but there is no doubt we are at war on terror and drugs. It has been authorised and our men and woman are dying for it. I don't want my sons to die for nothing and nothing it would be, if those giving the orders are self admitted criminals.

We should not be saying, oh c'mon it was the 60s or the 70's or the 80s or the 90s. Laws are serious business, when your on the receiving end of their justice. If the laws are wrong, then change them, if you create them, then you had better not have been guilty of violating them.

Is it wrong of me to think that those creating the laws, should also obey the laws and if they are self admitted criminals, they should be held accountable for their actions far more harsher than the average citizen.

Punchy. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
.

Interesting
However,

> the state of Utah automatically enshrined church doctrine into law <

I would question the validity of that statement. It certainly isn't true today.

johnlemski
"If the law says, that buying drugs, using drugs or whatever, is supporting terrorism, who am I or you to decide who can violate the laws."


- maybe we should buy drugs that our government regulates, like alcohol and tobacco. right now the government has no regulation or control of who profits from the illicit drug trade.

Obama finally has a position.
It isn't a position that will get us out of Iraq with any sort of honor, it won't balance the budget or fix social security. Nope. None of those. But at least it's a position.

"I ONCE SMOKED POT, NOW (so he claims) I DON'T."

He was also a Muslim, now (so he claims) he's not.

Fantastic. Now let's hope he can come up with one or two more reasons for us to vote for him.

Honor?
What would you know about honor, Crue?
You've been called and moron and a liar and might as well throw in coward, since your feeble attempt at defense is snooze and ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Gettin His Smoke On
After listening to ultra-nerd Hillary tell wild anecdotes about taking time off from her Goldwater Girl activities to minister to migrant farm workers in her upscale Chicago suburb this is refreshing. What's more contemptible than some wonk that went from being the know-it-all in every high school class, to a sponge soaking up left-wing 'wisdom' at some snobatorium university and then the insufferable wife of a goatish pseudo-intellectual professional politician? At an age when the rest of us were shoplifting bottles of Romilar so we could really get off on riding the tilt-a-whirl at the fair this broad was already plotting world conquest. The revelation makes Obama appear like a normal human who hasnt spent his whole life earnestly going with the program. Its a lot more appealing than the sanctimonious bribe-taker he's running against.

Does smoking weed= terrible judgment?
Several here are saying that using marijuana; even though its effects are temporary, less likely to incite violence than alcohol, causes lower proportions of cancer, doesn’t affect long-term intelligence and is commonly used; should disqualify one from office—presumably because using it demonstrates terrible judgment.

If that is so then we must automatically disqualify Mitt Romney because he’s Mormon. The guy spent 2 years walking around in magic underwear, peddling a religion founded by a convicted conman who received messages from God to take over 30 wives, believes Amerinds are actually Jews whom God cursed with dark skin for being naughty and that he won’t get to heaven unless they learn the special handshakes. That makes smoking weed look like a brilliant move.

MotleyCrue
A fine example of Fox News competence. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/

As a child, Obama spent four years in Indonesia with his step-father, a non-practicing Muslim, and his mother. Between ages 6 and 8, Obama attended a local Muslim school in Jakarta; after that, he was enrolled in a Roman Catholic school. In his book Dreams Of My Father (p.142), Obama writes:

In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I’d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended.

In his more recent book, The Audacity of Hope, Obama writes (p.274), “Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.”

utahnotmormon. What would I know
about honor? Probably a darn sight more than a mental midget like you. But, then again, I'm just being overly complimentary toward you morons this morning.

Okay Taft. Feel free to vote for him.
.

Prodigy. Taft. All of what you say may
be true. But you've still told us nothing that makes Obama presidential material. As much as I despise the Clinton woman, she still has qualifications, even if not substantial. Obama has none.

Taft
I say use the laws that they put in place and arrest them all, in regards to you asking what do we do.

I do not believe President Bush is incompetent.

He set out to accomplish, what many of us believed was impossible to do in the US. "Mission Accomplished" has a whole new meaning, when one contemplates his tenure and the history of the present admin.




Actually, Chuck, I've no idea where
that "crappy 80s drug-addled rock band" got their name. I'm not even familiar with their music, which it seems you are. Ah, well. Whatever turns you on.

BTW. I'm still waiting for a brilliant, in-depth analysis from one of you turkeys as to why Obama is presidential material.

And please, not because those who oppose him are racists. That's getting a bit shopworn.

Charles
If you think legalizing soft drugs will put the cartels out of business, you been smoking a little too much ganja mon. Of course, that depends what you call "soft" drugs.


Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!

Taft
Just FYI. Our military's job is to be put 'in harms way'...You may disagree with the war, that is your right, but don't go all wobbly about the military. They are doing their job. And VERY WELL, I might add, but of course that is a side issue.

What do you think we have our military for? Parade decorations and marching bands?

Nice
I rarely like Doug's column, but this one has its moments. I can't believe he's really any sort of Christian minister, however. He's way too familiar with vice for that. Genuinely Christian conservatives should prefer a candidate who is as close as humanly possible to perfection with regard to Christian values and behavior. Certainly no one who ever used illegal drugs qualifies for this position, and the same can be said about anyone who is divorced, who has gay friends, or who has ever run a trafic light when no one is looking.

Doug has a line that could be used to describe many a TH reader, though. Here it is:

"being a bloated, self righteous crank with a totemic view of vice."

I love that choice of words-"totemic"--hmmm, that's pretty fancy for a conservative. He's got to watch that stuff, lest he confuse his readers.

MotleyCrue
The first thing that hit me about Obama was when he appeared on the NPR program Wait Wait Don't Tell Me. He is intelligent and down to earth, and has a good sense of humor. That wouldn't be enough, of course, but he also has shown the ability to grasp foreign policy problems better than the rest I've read about. He also says some things, none of other candidate do, that I like. Example, he asks why Japan has inspectors right in Chinese factories, who are sending things, like toys, to their children. Has Japan had lead children's necklaces, or poisoned dog food? One last thing, he may not be as experience as some of the others but he also doesn't have big money lobbyist ties that are a blight to our democracy.

Dear Pot-heads...

Who votes Democrat?

*Drug users
*Alcoholics
*Child-abusers
*Child-rapists
*Women-beaters
*Most felons

You keep good company with idiots. Looked in the mirror lately? You may see yourself listed above.


Carlos
More Americans voted for Gore in 2000. Aligning the ant-Bush block of voters with that list of yours is thus meaningless.

reply to Carlos

You write:

Who votes Democrat?

*Drug users
*Alcoholics
*Child-abusers
*Child-rapists
*Women-beaters
*Most felons


Where, exactly, did you get this information? Can you identify your sources, or are you the sort of conservative who is content to repeat what every conservative just plain "knows" about Democratic voters?

Why can't I do this? Who votes Republican?

War lovers
Racists
Opponents of civil rights
Southerners nostalgic for the Confederacy
Religious whack jobs
Conspiracy theory whack jobs
People who hate gays

Or maybe that's a little too close for comfort.


Charles. Thank you so much.
Glad you brought it up about Randall David Ankeney, Jim Baker, Pat Robertson and Bob Barr. Boy, I'm telling you, if they ever run for president they can forget my vote.

Oh, BTW. Why is it that democrats love homosexuals and hate the BSA? Just thought I'd ask.

Telling me Obama smoked pot...
is like saying the sun rises in the east. I believe it, can't change it and don't care to.

The only time I consider anything untoward that he or anyone else does, is when it starts affecting my life and the pursuit of my dreams in a detrimental way.

Since I don't see Obama as a serious threat to Hillary, I could care less what he did. I do believe that the people of Illinois have reason to care since he is their senator but the choice is up to them.

We can wish in one hand for perfect people to represent us and sh_t in the other and see which one gets full first. When it comes to politicians I hope for the best but try to prepare for the worst and hope they won't do more damage than could ever be corrected.

USMC LIEUTENANT: Of course you may! :-)
I didn't know you were still there! Oooops!

Charles
You still haven't stated what you call "soft" drugs. Care to enlighten us?

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!
Hunter: "Washington was the only president that didn't blame all of his problems on the prior administration!"

Civil Rights, Charles?
The city has ordered the organization to pay a fair-market rent of $200,000 — $199,999 more than its current $1 annual rate — to maintain its longtime offices in a landmark Philadelphia building because of its refusal to allow openly gay Scouts and Scout leaders.
City Solicitor Romulo L. Diaz Jr. contends that Mayor John Street, City Council and the Fairmount Park Commission (which oversees historic properties) have been asking the Scouts for the past year to submit a clear-cut anti-discrimination policy, and they haven't done so. In order to comply with Philadelphia laws, he said, he has given the Scouts a choice: agree definitively in writing to stop discriminating, or pay a new rent at market value.

"They had been put on notice over the last year by the mayor, the City Council and the Fairmount Park Commission that they had a choice to make," Diaz said in a phone interview. "They need to provide evidence that they would not engage in discriminatory practices against gays as either Scout masters or Boy Scouts. .... They have either not responded or essentially played the victim."

Fraud
Motlley Crue writes:

12:14 PM HE'S[Obama] A MUSLIM
12;40PM He[Obama] was also a Muslim

Which is it, is or was? Of course the answer is neither, a fact substantiated by Crue's later posts.

Are these fraudulent statements what passes for conservative principals at TH, or can we just conclude that Motley Crue's lies are an embarrassment to conservatives?

eastlake joe
I LOVE the Duncan Hunter Quote! Made me laugh...which makes today a GOOD DAY! Thanks!

Civil Rights, Charles?
Get real. It's about the insidious homosexual agenda, which is to inculcate our society from the ground up, and what better place to start than vulnerable young boys, namely the boy scouts.

NAMBLA, of course, with the help of the ACLU, was heavily involved in the Philly decision, plus the fact that City Solicitor Romulo L. Diaz Jr., the person who originally signed the $1 a year contract, then reneged on it, is a flaming homosexual, and you've got a $199,999 raise per year for a group who do nothing but good for the community. If you think that's worth holding up as a beacon of fair play, then bully for you.

I seem to have lost my research notes somewhere in the process. Oh well, they probably posted. Good.

eastlake joe
BTW I left you a response to your comment on the Prelutsky thread from the other day. Thanks! I'd begun to think I wasn't being clear.

utahnotmoron. Give it up, man.
Obama was, and still is, a Muslim. For pity's sake, do some research. Oh, but sorry, that would take a brain.

Charles, those Anslinger quotes
sound an awful lot like the global warming fears peddled by the left today.

Junk science is junk science, no matter whose ox is getting gored. (Oops! Sorry about the bad pun there!)

Chucky. Homos have always had the right
to marry, or perhaps you weren't aware of that. It's only in the last decade they've been coming out of the closet, so to speak, and embarrassing their wives and children by suddenly acquiring boyfriends.

Oh, but wait, you don't mean the same rights we all have, to marry the opposite gender. You mean extra rights, like the right to marry someone of the same sex for the purpose of bestiality. Oh, now I get it.

I'd like to see some facts on how many heterosexuals belong to NAMBLA.

For those who disagree..

Come On... Convicted felons vote overwhelmingly Democrat. My registered child-predator neighbor still has a Kerry/Edward sticker on his car.

And, Pot-heads have incomplete personalities. There is a lot of childhood baggage you folks are trying to smoke away.

It won't work. Smoke all the pot you want, those emotional problems will not leave until you're senile.

You are just stuck in your juvenile world. Scared of the future, and ignoring your past.

Sad, Sad, Democrats.








Mrs. Paddy
Always ready to help a lady in distress. As if you need help. I only hope I never make you angry!! LOL! Keep up the good fight, lady.

hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!

I own my own body
If I want to smoke, that's my business.

If I want to drink, that's my business.

If I want to snort coke, that's my business.

If I want to inject heroin, that's my business.

If I want an abortion, that's my business.

If I want to kill myself, that's my business.

None of these are the business of the state or the self-appointed moralizers on TH.

Charles
Now I know you've been smoking too much if you call coke and halucinigenic mushrooms "soft" drugs.

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!

eastlake joe
No worries. It takes a LOT to make me angry with my friends...and I consider you a friend.

USMC Lieutenant
ROFLMAO!!
I know you're gone now, but I just read your two answers to Wobbie over in the Limbaugh thread and I've gotta say that the first one is one of your funniest yet.

Sleep well my friend, we'll carry on the battle against Wobbie here on the home front.

Mellorsj2
You're right, it's not my buisiness but as soon as you get into a car it is. As soon as you have a gun in your possesion it is. As soon as I have to support you when you are burnt out to the point of a Ozzie Osbourne it is. When you rob and steal to support your habit it is.

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!

Mrs. Paddy
And I consider that a compliment. Same right back atchya'.

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The dream Team!!!

Motley Crue, Give it up, Fraud
According to your pathetic mind, because Osma's parents sent him to a Muslim school in a Muslim nation for a couple years he was and is a Muslim. This ignores that he followed that by a couple years in a Catholic School, which would mean he was and is a Catholic, according to your twisted logic.

Following this logic, illegal Mexicans who attend American schools were and are Americans.

Why isn't it possible for you to address Obama's policies that you disagree with instead of resorting to slander and lies? You are an embarrassmrent to conservatives.

GESTELLE*

...1. Was Lee Harvey Oswald a Liberal or a Conservative whack-job? ...

...Do you have the guts to answer my question or are you going to hide in your ivory tower and just peek out long enough to throw bombs at Conservative thought? .....COLOSSUS

Eastlake joe takes on too much
"You're right, it's not my buisiness but as soon as you get into a car it is."

No, it's not.

"As soon as you have a gun in your possesion it is."

Ever heard of the Second Amendment?

"As soon as I have to support you when you are burnt out to the point of a Ozzie Osbourne it is."

(a) I never asked you for support. (b) Ozzie seems to be surviving without your help

"When you rob and steal to support your habit it is."

Indeed. For this is the first time I have encroached on YOUR rights.

Oh, my god. He's baaaaaack.
Utah moron writes: "Why isn't it possible for you to address Obama's policies that you disagree with instead of resorting to slander and lies?"

(a) You were the first to attack, Bumstead.

(b) What policies?

Attack?
I didn't attack. I merely pointed out that you were lying, something you've failed to admit, even in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

Sorry if I bruised your fragile ego. Refrain from lying and it won't happen again.

It's bestiality, Chucky,
B E S T I A L I T Y. Got it? Good. Use spellcheck, if you don't know how to spell a word. Makes you look less of a dolt.

Motley: You always make me laugh!

"Bunstead!" How funny, but spot on, is that?

You make my day!




Osama-Obama is a punk!

Who else has managed to get TWO Prime Ministers (Blair and Howard) to publically take him to task for being such an idiot?

Answer: No one!

That was quite an accomplishment to have the Prime Ministers of two of our best allies IN THE WORLD, to chastise him.

And the libs think Pres. Bush has annoyed the leaders of the free world? Osama-Obama gets elected pres., you "ain't seen nothin' yet!"








Hello, Anne, m'darlin. :-)
.

HS Giles
Bill Clinton's no sex, Oral Sex is causing our kids/adults to think there are no consequences however you get HIV/AIDS from it if your sucking partner has it or you have HIV.

If you smoke dope you also smoke your brain of some territory. Obama is the dumber for it. Only fools think drugs have no lasting effect.

Whoops!
Anne blathers: "Who else has managed to get TWO Prime Ministers (Blair and Howard) to publically take him to task for being such an idiot?"

Note that NEITHER is now a prime minister. I wonder why?

UNM. Your post 12:27PM:
"Motley Crue shows that some self procalimed conservatives can be just as moronic as liberals."

Talk about lying.

reply to baseballdoc
No problem. Based on the evidence, Lee Harvey Oswald was, first of all, a whack-job, and second, he regarded himself as some sort of Communist.

Of course (here comes the bomb-throwing part), conservatives such as yourself are (genetically? intellectually? something else-ly?) incapable of distinguishing between liberals and Communists, so I suppose that means you get to call Oswald a liberal.

So your question hardly matters, since you weren't interested in an answer anyway, being already in possession of an answer thta makes you happier than you would be if you actually had to give two coherent thoughts to this issue.

By the way, what's the point about "hiding in your ivory tower?" Ideological combat requires defense as well as offense. What does my "ivory tower" have to do with either the coherence or truth of anything I say? It's a job classification, not a point of view.

MellorSJ2: And you deduce that it's

because they chastised Osama-Obama for being an irresponsible punk idiot?

It's been obvious for quite some time that you were not exactly "all there." But, you've REALLY outdone... even yourself... this time.




MSJ2 writes:
"Anne blathers: "Who else has managed to get TWO Prime Ministers (Blair and Howard) to publically take him to task for being such an idiot?"

Note that NEITHER is now a prime minister. I wonder why?"
---------------------------------
I note that (a) you can't spell, and (b) Obama neither has the intelligence or the presence to be president.

Spellcheck will help your spelling, but there's absolutely nothing that will help Obama.

Deduce? No big words, Anne.
MSJ2 won't understand. You must type out your words C L E A R L Y and S U C C I N C T L Y.

Okay, not to be too hard on MellorSJ2

That insane attempt at logic MUST go with the liberal idiot territory. He's NOT the only liberal idiot.

Just this morning Ellen Ratner (Dem pundit) said that if things are so bad (as she describes them) in Iraq, the the democrats WIN.

Ahhhhh, so the dems DO want us to lose!

And then later on she actually said that Fred Thompson (as opposed to Giuliani) hadn't "run anything" in his life.

Really now? Bet the dumbo party was THA-RILLED to hear that because neither has HELLary.

Point being, MellorSJ2, best to say nothing because every time any of you liberal idiots open your mouths, you make complete fools of yourselves!






Motley: Uh oh! My last post must be

falling on simple ears.

Can you please try to explain that to him? Thanks. :-)




It would be funny Chucky, if
you hadn't misspelled it again.

Charles: Did you have a point?


I didn't think so. But, we're used to it. :-)

(Another liberal mental defective!)







And Charles: That's really not a smart

place to go... Not with Teddy "The Swimmer" on your side of the aisle.





I look forward to being educated
MotleyCrue blathers: "I note that (a) you can't spell, and (b) Obama neither has the intelligence or the presence to be president."

Please point out the misspellings in either my original post of 3:38, or your copy of it at 3:53.

Charles. Does he expressly admit to
being a Republican? Well, he sounds a little too mild for my taste. Arresting homosexuals may be one thing, but what then? A whipping maybe, gelding perhaps, five yrs on the border picking cauliflower?
There's got to be more if this guy is a true Republican. And as for mules, what's wrong with an elephant now and again? Geez, the guy sounds like a piker.

It's publicly, MSJ2. Not "publically."
P U B L I C L Y. Got it now? Good fellow.

Motley: Chuckie says, "Anne still

thinks that republicans are conservates."

Did I say that? I don't recall ever saying that...


Probably Chuckie just found himself in a corner... and had nothing intelligent to say.. :-(

Do the liberal idiot mental defectives do that all the time, or is it just Chuckie Cheeses?





Mellorsj2
On the gun, I meant when you are under the influence of mind altering drugs.I thought you were smart enough to understand that. Ozzie by the way ISN'T doing so good. If it wasn't for Sharon, He'd be flat broke and on the dole and we'd be supporting him. That's a real good example though as he's had millions upon millions of dollars to work with, the normal run of the mill druggie doesn't. If you aren't strong enough to face everyday life without a crutch thats your problem not mine. Just don't do other things while under the influence to put me or mine at risk or dig into my pocket to do so.

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!

Motley: No wait!!! Chuckie is a

flaming liberal... Wanna bet his brain is fried on the ganja? Ha Ha Ha

Who knows??? :-)



Democrat for sure
Charles writes: Sunday, November, 25, 2007 4:07 PM
Motley
I guess this is your kind of Republican:

Neal Horsley is a political figure of the far right, and the author of a website devoted to his advocacy of militant pro-life, secessionist, and anti-gay views. He has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. He admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had sex with mules. He put photographs on his Web site of naked men engaging in homosexual acts and a nude woman engaging in bestiality amid shots of grotesquely maimed fetuses. Drug dealer convicted of possession of hashish with intent to sell. He calls for "the establishment of a new government, one that can obey God's plan for government."

LMAO!!!


Sounds like a true left wing radical Democrat to me!

Oh Chuckie, what was it that YOU

brought into the debate? Huh?? What was that again... Hun?

It's just that you couldn't spell it.. but then you and your ilk often have a difficult time spelling simple words....


But................................





Anne. Chuckie doen's even know what a
piker is. Let's not give him too much credit. First must come the thought, before the intelligent statement comes out. Formulating thoughts seems to be sometimes difficult for liberals.

Oh. BTW, Chucky, my lad, a piker is a smalltimer, or in monetary terms a cheapskate.

My previous post should be "doesn't"
not doen's. Hoisted on my own petard.

Chuckie
You are already supporting hundreds of thousands just like him. that is if you have a job and pay taxes. I may not agree 100% with supporting Iraq, but at least their problems aren't self inflicted.

Slap! Bang! Straight into the trap Crue
MotleyCrue writes: "It's publicly, MSJ2. Not "publically."
P U B L I C L Y. Got it now? Good fellow."

Indeed. I got it.

Just one little iddy-biddy problem.... I didn't write that. I quoted the lexically challenged Anne.

If I spent my time correcting the spelling of the room-temperature IQs here on TownHall, I'd never have time to point out your misconceptions.

Good work, Motley. Straight into the trap. Didn't even have the smarts to check the posting history.

And what facts would those be, Chucky,
that I need to check. Please elucidate, oh enlightened one.

No Way! Chuckie DIDN'T really say that..

Did he?

"I would support Ozzy any day rather than have to support the entire country of Iraq."

Naw! Let me go back and re-read his post......









Cripes! He really DID say that!

Okay, game over! Chuckie really and truly IS dumber than a bag of hammers, and a mental defective.

No more playing with Chuckie. He's way, Way WAY out of his league....

Poor fellow. Somebody should really make sure that his care takes knows he's been on TH.









Okay Motley: You got on my case for

using big words with MellorSJ2, and then you go and use "elucidate."


Now he's going to get all confused and upset... HA!




MSJ2. You call that a trap?
You sound like some little twerp who's finally found a mistake made by an adult. If that's all it takes to make you happy, then I'm only too delighted to oblige.

Anne, m'dear. You are forgiven, for one of your extremely rare spelling mistakes. Made one m'self a couple of posts ago. Didn't catch it in time.

Unlike libs, who never bothered to bathe, never mind leaarn to count or spell in their pubescence, we conservatives rarely make mistakes. Ahem.

Well, any of you libs going to pounce on
that one. I'll wait for you to spot it. Should be easy. It's in my post to Anne. Go ahead. Make my day.

Motley: I did it make a typo....

Not the first, and I promise it won't be the last!

But, at least I'm not so dumb as to actually say that I'd rather support Ozzy the coke head any day rather than have to support the entire country of Iraq.

Heaven knows, I make my share of typos, but the substance is sound... :-)

(Unlike... you know who......)









Well, Anne. It's been fun, if not
fulfilling. I'll try and get back later, but have much to do to prepare for tomorrow. I have to say that utahmormon, MSJ2 and, of course, Charles have given me--by their very presence--profound joy that I am a conservative.

Take care, Anne. Be safe and well.

I'm not shocked, but...
...I think Barak Obama is a fool.

It's hardly surprising that he, like millions of other kids, violated the law and got high in their youth. I imagine most of the kids tittered and scoffed about Obama "trying to be cool."

Here's my beef:

We actually care about kids taking drugs. It's not just a little bad for them, it's bloody terrible. It slows their brain activity during a vital period of development, reduces their motivation, ruins their attitudes, and produces a pattern of waste and failure that's the exact opposite of what we want kids that age to be doing.

It's not wise or necessary to hide that some adults took drugs when they were younger. But you shouldn't volunteer it; and if you do have to bring it up, it's both wise and necessary to emphasize that it was STUPID, and a MISTAKE, and that they will regret it.

So, Obama, a Senator, over 50, trying to be cool and fit in, and telling kids he did something truly harmful but NOT telling them how harmful it was?

It's not that he's so unusual. Foolishness is common. It's just so very depressing to find that level of foolishness running for President. I had hoped, against hope, that the 1990s had given us the last of infantile Presidents. Alas, the Democrats seem intent on offering moral infants.

Obama

What ever one can say about Obama, it beats this guy.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/M/e/1/giuliani_trum p_drag.jpg

Motley: Not to worry... It's rather easy

to spot a "typo" as opposed to a real "spelling error."


In fact, yesterday I was trying to type "UCMJ" (Uniform Code of Military Justice) but my finger just wanted to type "US" so I ended up typing "USMJ."

Of course, 'you know who' jumped on it like it was an egregious spelling error in some international document, but the rest of us knew it was nothing more than a typo."


Go figure... :-)





Taft
Is guilianni the only example that you can come up with after all you've seen written on TH about him? Let's face it, by now everyone should know what a ( as bugs would say) Maroon he is.

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!

Anne
shame on you, Control your fingers!:-)


Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!

Reading through these posts...

Brings me back... To High School? A time when my father should have smacked my head.

After seeing all the destruction from drugs in the 70's... how could an adult possibly think drugs are okay?

And, funny the "free the weed" bunch seem to all be liberal-democrats... no shocker there.

Inkling: You make a very good point!

I remember in 1987, when Pres. Reagan announced his nomination of Douglas Ginsburg to the United States Supreme Court.

Shortly after his nomination, it came out that Ginsburg had used marijuana during his student days in the 1960s and 1970s. My daughter, a middle school age girl, was incredulous that something someone had done almost twenty years ago would cause such an uproar, and disqualify him from being on the Supreme Court.

While I half-heartedly agreed with her, it was an opportunity to discuss a real “life lesson.” Be careful what you do in life, because you never know when it might come back and bite you.!

The other thing that I have tried to impress upon my children is that when all is said and done, the ONLY thing you really have is your name and reputation. Nothing else really matters.


eastlake joe: I know. Shame on me!

I'll go stand in the corner now and think about what I've done... :-)


Anne
Just one small correction.

For future reference so that you can employ the appropriate terminology.

A Bag of Hammers is SMARTER than a BOX OF ROCKS.

You see, A Bag of hammers shows evidence of intelligent design, and since most liberals do not believe in intelligent design then Dumber than a Box of Rocks is a more apprpriate appellation.

:-)

Charles ...

Control the liberal temper. That rage is coming from your childhood... seek therapy.

Did you lose your dime-bag?


Don't throw stones:
Peter Byrne writes the story.

"Sen. Dianne Feinstein has resigned from the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee. As previously and extensively reviewed in these pages, Feinstein was chairperson and ranking member of MILCON for six years, during which time she had a conflict of interest due to her husband Richard C. Blum's ownership of two major defense contractors, who were awarded billions of dollars for military construction projects approved by Feinstein. As MILCON leader, Feinstein relished the details of military construction, even micromanaging one project at the level of its sewer design. She regularly took junkets to military bases around the world to inspect construction projects, some of which were contracted to her husband's companies, Perini Corp. and URS Corp."


Mrs. Paddy: No way! Are you kidding me?

"A Bag of Hammers is SMARTER than a BOX OF ROCKS."

Uh oh! I did not know that!

I am SOOOOO glad you corrected me. I'd have been giving the liberal idiots so much more cred than is warrented.

(Geesh, I hate when I do that! Just means that I have to annoy that many more libs the next day to make up for it... Ugh!)

And you know how the libs are... No winners in any game because it might make the kids who don't win not feel happy about themselves, and heaven forbid that we have THAT!)


Thank you, Mrs. P. Whew! Wouldn't want to make THAT mistake again. :-)







Anne
You're welcome. Just doing my bit to have accuracy on TH. LOL

Charles: Yup! :-) And one is half way

through her Ph D program. Not bad, huh? :-)


How 'bout you? Got your GED yet? Ha Ha Ha

Oooops, sorry. Didn't want to make you feel bad. Yikes. :-(




MAN
I find if I am feeling down I can always come here, read lilly’s post AND LMFAO

Free Ramos and Compean
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http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)
To libs there is no lie, it is expedient exaggeration!

Oh, yeah, I forgot this part
In addition to Obama's foolishness that I explained at 5:05 PM, there's this, which is in fact a very large issue:

Drugs are illegal.

Sometimes kids commit illegal acts, and then they grow up. It happens. The relevant question is, are they sorry they did it?

I'm guessing not. I'm guessing they're thinking, like good little Boomer Hippies, "Hey, I didn't get caught, it didn't hurt anything, everybody does it."

So we have a man -- probably several men -- running for President who genuinely believe, in their heart of hearts, that obeying the law is a nice idea so long as it's not too inconvenient, and doesn't get in the way of your fun. Boy, that's reassuring.

That's the attitude that led President Clinton to sell foreign policy initiatives to the Chinese for a few measly million in illegal campaign contributions. "Hey, I was going to do that for the Chinese anyway, right? and they wanted to contribute, and hey, we're the good guys, right? The law doesn't really matter, it's just something a bunch of conservatives passed anyhow..."

That's why we don't want cheating Presidents. They treat the law that protects US citizens like a nice idea, not like a civic obligation.


Annoy A Liberal
Sing my parodies at work.

Charles
Had you been smart enough to read my other posts you would have seen a post where I said I didn't agree 100% with Iraq. I agree even less with supporting someone who is stupid enough to burn out their mind on drugs when there are so many examples in the world to show what it can do to you. Please stay the he!! out of my pocket! Perhaps the term dumber than a box of rocks DOES apply?!

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!!

2 Masters... Wow

Do you print in all capitals too?

Liberals can't do analogies
Charles gives us the latest instance of liberals attempting "turnabout is fair play," while demonstrating that they simply can't do even simple analogies.

Charles, trying to be clever (and imitating several thousand other leftists who are at this very moment reciting the same, ridiculously wrong analogy), tried turning the left's outright treason around and making this charge:

"Both of you support politicians whose policies have harmed our country. Why do you all hate America so much?"

{sigh} Ok, let's acknowledge that there are multiple sides to most political issues, and that in most cases the person taking a position genuinely believes their position is the right one for America.

Having said that, surely you haven't missed the fact that we're in a war, and that your public actions are, in fact, encouraging our enemies, persuading them to persist where they might surrender, exposing our strategies by publishing classified information, telling them about our strategies, etc.?

Might it be that the presence of a conscious, active enemy shooting at our troops creates a situation that's a little different from other areas of political disagreement?

Naaaaaahhhhh...

Or, might the fact that in the last 60 years, every time the US has had an enemy shooting at our troops, liberals have likewise made public statements and taken actions that encourage our enemies, persuade them to persist where they might surrender, expose our strategies, etc?

Naaaaaahhhh...

(I have to say, though, yours isn't quite as silly as whoever it was this morning that said "abortion is as human as eating." Yours was plenty silly, but nothing could be as silly as THAT.)

Charles, let me help you: we really don't say the same thing every time someone disagrees with us. The presence of an enemy shooting at our troops really does make the situation a little bit different. Honest.

Chuckie: Pa-lease! Two Masters?

Sorry, can't quite believe that one...

Heck, I have two Masters...

Not with what you post. And exactly who calls the ronpaul supporters "liberals?"

Now, maybe you misunderstand... in that too often the paulists actually "act lik" liberals, but that's not the same as "being" liberals.

Maybe those "two Masters" of yours are in "tire and transmission care?"







Charles
Man, you are one condescending as*hat. I love your kind who hide behind the KB and show everyone how intelligence you are, or rather you think you are. Too bad you do not have any class to go with the two masters. I reckon you prove it’s true that they can’t teach you everything at school.

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Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)
To libs there is no lie, it is expedient exaggeration!

A dead give-away
The fact that Charles attempts to identify "poorly educated" with "home schooled" demonstrates how far removed he is from real life.

Home schooled kids are routinely cleaning publicly-schooled kids' clocks in every intellectual competition you can name. Colleges are falling over themselves trying to attract home schooled kids to their campuses, because they've discovered that home schooled kids have mastered all the basic skills publicly-schooled kids can't seem to manage, and can actually think.

Where'd you get your education? Harvard? Princeton? Weak has-been schools that aren't a shadow of the schools that earned their reputations 100 years ago. Go find a home-schooled kid to guide you through the library, and you'll get a REAL education, which you're apparently lacking.

Now It Comes Out Charles...

"My parents are morons"...

Of course they are... In your mind everyone is a moron. I'm looking in a mirror Charlie! Now I know the need for drugs... You're hiding the real Charlie, aren't you?

The real Charlie is just an undeveloped child-ego, hidden away, yet pulling the strings of the false-Charlie.

Sad, but recovery is possible :)

Mr. Giles, please get a clue
All those Bible characters did all that nasty stuff! Who knew?

I guess that makes it ok to tell people you did nasty stuff, too, right?

Hmm... or does the fact that the Bible illustrates why those acts are a VERY BAD IDEA make a small difference?

Maybe the fact that a guy like Paul, when acknowledging how he'd murdered Christians (legally, mind you,) clearly identified himself as "the chiefest of sinners" for that act makes his admission different from one that just cites "what I smoked when I was a kid."

Maybe the fact that we see Sampson being ruined, captured, humiliated, blinded, and killed for sleeping with a prostitute ("hello!") explains why we're told about the prostitute.

Maybe you should take a few lessons from said Biblical accounts, rather than using them STUPIDLY to defend a complete fool.

I sometimes disagree with with TH columnists, but I'm seldom disgusted. Tonight, I'm disgusted. Giles, please get a clue.

I am another "liar" who,
despite growing up during the end of the "worst" generation, never acquired any drug desire or habits. I witnessed ALL of my friends and some family members slow demise and never once had the desire to travel down the same path. Even the hippies looked ridiculous to me, I could never figure out just what their stupid problem was and why they rebelled against the parents that had given their spoiled buts everything.

It is not impossible that we could have (and should demand) a President that does not have a soiled background, whether youthful transgressions or not.

Hey Chuck
Duke Cunningham was a Navy Ace in Vietnam. Thats something that he accomplished, you jerk. What have YOU ever done worth noting?

inkling_revival
points out:

"a very large issue:

Drugs are illegal."

It's also illegal for those under 18 to consume alchohol.

So, of those 18, 19 and 20 year olds who are in the military, how many do ya think imbibe in a brewski now and then? How many adults are guilty of breaking the law for providing said brewskis?

From personal experience, every 18-20 year old I've ever met in the military engages in illegal alchohol consumption. Several have preferred weed and some both.

My reaction is that if they are willing to put their lives on the line for this country, they sure as heck are old enough to have a beer without fear of jail.

I don't know....
Maybe I read too much in to Gile's article. I just took it as Biblical information that doing stupid things is not necessarily proof you have no redeeming qualities.

I don't think he was making the argument to get out of jail free or anything.

We all have our sins, stupidity and mistakes to deal with. Kudos to Obama for being honest.

The next step is to explain why this was the height of stupidity and a behavior not to be emulated, praised or thought praise-worthy...you know, just like Clinton didn't do with the Lewinski fiasco.


Persephone_SD: Huh! Interesting!

Seems that those of us who were in high school and college in the 60s/70s didn't ALL do drugs.

Geeze, who knew???

Of course, how convenient is it for the liberals to "assume" that everybody did drugs. But, I can only guess that it makes them feel better about their behavior, and we know the libs. They just want to "feel good" about whatever it is that they've done or what they do.

And here's another big one! I was backed GOLDWATER. Yup! A real Conservative even back then. (Amazing, isn't it?)

It's looking like we have enough "liars" to actually have a "club" and it seems to be getting bigger and bigger.

Oooops. There goes the liberal credibility! :-(




To fellow Liar-Liar-Pants on Fire
Boomers that didn't drop out, drop in, or whatever the terminology of the day was back then...

Were we just square or what??? LOL

The 'heads' at school were always so wasted, I never saw the appeal...still don't. High on life!


reply to inkling_revival
Here's one of your points. I quote:




"Having said that, surely you haven't missed the fact that we're in a war, and that your public actions are, in fact, encouraging our enemies, persuading them to persist where they might surrender, exposing our strategies by publishing classified information, telling them about our strategies, etc.?"

OK< now maybe you can explain to me why you aren't critizing Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, several retired flag officeres who had some criticisms of Bush's Iraq strategy, etc? Or don't they count as traitors to our country? Is it only liberals who oppose the war? No. So why aren't you busting the chops of conservatives who are anti-war? Just asking.


Drinking the Koolaid to vote 1st tier
To vote for first tier candidates requires us to drink the Koolaid. Big money and their organized groups let each other know who is for free trade, open borders, etc. They allow these candidates to be first tier. Wor to the candidate that believes in fair trade for the American people.

Tancredo and Hunter are the two best fair trade candidates. On Lou Dobbs Tonight, Tancredo was called the real thing by both Lou Dobbs and his guest. The is no substitute for the real thing. That is why it is the real thing. Support and vote for Tom Tancredo and say no to grape Koolaid!

Mrs. Paddy, Anne, I prefer to
be called a "hip" square:)! I never was much for following the crowd, and I found that being sober and serious minded garnered me much respect, especially (and ironically!) from the ones using dope. Anne, I was too young in Goldwaters time(only 4), but my first vote at age 20 went for Ronald Wilson Reagan back in 1980. I espoused my parents conservatism, I had no desire to be a "rebel" like my eldest brother, 10 years my senior, who went to Boalt Hall back in the early 70's. Imagine Berkely back then! What a freak show!

Thanks a LOT Persephone: :-)

Make me feel REALLY old! Ugh.

But, I know exactly what you're saying.

(Not that I'm THAT much older than you... just in the low 100's. LOL)


Charlie Boy
What's the matter chuckie, mad at the parents because they have money and they wont give it to you for some hair-brained scheme you cooked up? I'd be willing to bet your parents did something totally foreign to you to earn their money.....THEY WORKED!!! THEY SAVED!!! THEY DIDN'T SMOKE WEED!!

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream TEAM!!!

Charlie
specifics Chuck specifics!! Just how is Duncan Hunter Corrupt? Proof?


Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!

Diane Feinstein
What about her??

Isn't it interesting. . .

I like to watch for the 'talking points'

The latest one I've noticed is "why do you hate America?"

Who thinks up this stuff???

Paddy's Theory of Evolution
Intelligence growth over time

Rock
Box of Rocks
2 grey cells to rub together
Tool
Bag of Hammers
**Flipper/Lassie (tied)
J Fred Muggs
Wile E Coyote
Yogi Bear
Homer Simpson
Bimbo of the month (this is in flux...Paris Hilton, Brittny Spears, Jessica Simpson etc.)
Harry Reid
San Fran Nan
Al Gore
Anyone over the age of 2
Normal Americans
Ann Coulter (just threw this name in to annoy the libs)
Einstein

**I actually think Flipper and Lassie should be after Al Gore and before the 2year olds, now that I reconsider. I only placed them there because of their lack of language skill. Perhaps if Al would shut up he'd improve his IQ.

This model is still in the preliminary stages. Please address corrections to 1 800 I Don't Care

I'm starting to like Duncan...

He's certainly more believable than that Rudy fella I've been supporting.

And, he makes "the Clintons" look like a crime syndicate.

Oh, thats right, they are a crime syndicate.

Mrs. Paddy
You forgot one that came before the rock....Charles Oh, I forgot, Before him came Roberto, Roberta.:-) Night guys.

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team!!!!!

Its simple really
Either Obama or..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

Mrs. Paddy
Before i leave,I noticed Chuckie left or at least didn't answer when I asked him to state specifics and proof. Night Ma'am!

Hunter/Tancredo "08" The Dream Team !!!!


eastlake joe
Night sir! See you later!

Mrs. Paddy
You put Coulter above Lassie?


Being that I doubt if you even pay taxes
Chuck, it remains to be seen how Duke Cunningham "ripped" you off for the money that you claim. Do you even know what his crimes were?
I live here in San Diego, where it was front page news for quite some time, and the firm that my son works for defended one of the contractors involved.

What I wrote was not offered up as an excuse, I was merely pointing out that Randy Cunningham was in fact a great American patriot before he succumbed to one of mankinds greatest temptations; greed. And my dear, surely you are not naive enough to believe that he is the ONLY one in Congress to engage in such nefarious practices, are you? Only WE roast our bad apples, unlike Democrats who ignore their crimes, pardon them outright, or scream "witch hunt, vast right-wing conspiracy", thus earning themselves a pass or promotion.

Taft
You get the cupie doll! I knew if I put Coulter in there I'd get a response!

More to the point...I put her directly below Einstein! BWAAHHHAAAAAAAA

What?

"Hunter had a hand in virtually every military scandal involving large sums of money that has gone down over the past 2 decades".

Wouldn't that make him Carl Levin? I haven't seen this on the "situation room" ?

I guess you do smoke it by the 1/4 pound.

At least when I say convicted felons vote nearly 100% Democrat... I actually know many of these people. I don't just read their articles on the DKos.

Di Fi
Crickets....crickets....

Chuck scribbles
Randy "Duke" Cunningham and his 2 so-far unindicted partners in crime, Jerry Lewis and Duncan Hunter.

Do you have any actual proof of this or you just running your chops? IF you have proof you are guilty of helping to hide a crime, if not I think you are a liar and libel! At the very least you prove my statement of- To libs there is no lie, it is expedient exaggeration!


Free Ramos and Compean
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http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)
To libs there is no lie, it is expedient exaggeration!

It's not worth it
but I give you a one on the scale of 5.

Silicondoc
Bush snorted coke and he and Dick drove about so drunk its a miracle they didn't murder someone. So, maybe the RW doesn't have a moral high ground? Right?

Cunningham
Referring to Cunningham, Persephone states:

"Only WE roast our bad apples"

Republicans(and Democrats) had nothing to do with Cunningham getting busted for subverting the defense appropriations process.

An aggressive reporter from the San Diego Union broke the story. This is one case where you san thank the media.

Chuck
yea I see your answer NONE! I also see why you are a not so bright person, you watch Colbert and that tells me a lot. So go smoke your 1/4 pound mellow out and STFU.

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
Hunter/Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)
To libs there is no lie, it is expedient exaggeration!

doc
when your sign off is longer than any other posts its time to shorten it

doc
was it an expedient exagerrations that led to disaster in iraq.

TR
doc
when your sign off is longer than any other posts its time to shorten it

Truth always is short and to the point and people like chuck and taft talk alot and don't say much. also you need to look around I see good stuff going on in Iraq now.

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
Hunter/Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)
To libs there is no lie, it is expedient exaggeration!


well now
G'night to all my pals and the rest of you pukes
see short and to the point TR!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
Hunter/Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)
To libs there is no lie, it is expedient exaggeration!

doc
i hope you see this before you go to bed or when you wake up.
i am as happy as anyone that violence is down in iraq. i really hope it stays that way. i am worried about the iraqi government though. is violence down because of the large u.s. military presence or are they any closer to being able to be autonomous?
i rely on a healthy u.s. economy for a living. why do you think i want us to "lose" a war by vacating the middle east, becoming energy independant, guarding our borders, making homeland security more than an alias for "tattered (bush style) f.e.m.a." and being fiscally responsible on a national level (you and your state can do as you please).

Concerning the brain and pot:

If you don't want to fry it, don't try it.

*****
Kee