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Saturday, November 10, 2007
Doug Giles :: Townhall.com Columnist
Hillary Will Kill Your Cat
by Doug Giles
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Y’know . . . I hate to disappoint my Christian voting block brethren, but I’d vote for any of the GOP guys, or their wives, or their chunky step son, or their one eyed three legged dog named Hooch, or their obnoxious aunt Maria (Y’know . . . the one with a mustache) rather than have to watch, listen and live with Hillary in the Whitehouse barking orders down to us serfs.

Screeeeeew that.

Listen, my persnickety friends on the Right: You can bust a nut over the various serious and not so serious foibles and philosophies of Rudy, Romney, Fred and John, but for moi the Republican gentleman who gets our party’s nod, whoever he is, will get my vote come November ‘08.

Why?

Well it’s simple.

I’ve already had enough of Hillary. I’m sick of seeing that chick. Forget her communistic bent, her virulent anti-Americanisms and her anti-Christian crapola. I simply don’t want to see or hear anything more from her ever again. She’s become the OJ of DC to me (i.e. way too much of her mug and machinations on my TV).

I’m tanked. I’ve had enough. I’m gonna vomit. The OJ comparison was a bad analogy though, eh? There were only two people who died around The Juice. I believe the Clintons have around 40 plus and counting who have mysteriously dropped dead around them. Anyway, back to my angst with Hillary.

Yes, Ms. Clinton has been an uninvited guest in my life for far too long. I cannot imagine having to stomach her and her blah blah blah for another decade. Another %$#@&% decade?!? Argh! Please God . . . don’t let it happen! I swear I’ll be good . . . I wont cuss anymore . . . I’ll up my tithe. C’mon Yahweh. Show some love.

Seriously, I experience physical pain when I see her. Yep, when she queues up and starts her soulless, monotonous monologues about how she wants to trash our nation like Mickey Rourke is doing his liver, I get that same feeling that I had the other day after I ate that last bean burrito that had been under a heat lamp for 37 hours at the Chevron gas station.

My aversion to Hillary has even made me sympathetic to Bill. I guarantee Bill’s ability to empathize with the oppressed and feel other’s pain stems from living within the bellowing crucible of being betrothed to Hillary and thus a forty year receptor of the blunt end of her pool cue. He probably wants her to become President so she will just shut up and become real busy so he can get a fresh crack at some DC interns, baby.

Having said that, I really don’t want to see Bill again unless it’s at an anti-Hillary rally after he’s been freshly divorced from Rodham, he and Monica have gotten back together, and he’s smoking a big fat stogie down here on Lincoln Road.

Now, speaking as a man who lives in the God blessed testosterone fog, let me help you marketing clods out on the Left: If you want the nation to buy what you’re selling you have to get rid of the mean old madam brigade. Your lasses are not only woefully wrong from a policy standpoint, but they are all so very Rosie O’Donnellish.

None of my liberal male friends down here in Miami are even remotely excited about voting for Hillary and having her shrill backside wielding a whiny scepter over the United States. If they wanted that they’d go home to their yarbling liberal wives.

Look, I understand you liberals’ supposed need for change . . . to get a woman in the office and yada yada . . . but you guys have gotta try to work with us. Throw us a bone. The first Clinton movie sucked, and no one wants a sequel. Especially if Hillary’s the lead actor.

And by the way, since you don’t have a Thatcher or a Rice amongst you to put forth, how about a liberal woman who’s pretty and nice who won’t kill your cat if she doesn’t happen to like you?

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less than eloquent, but spot on
For once I must say Mr. Giles, in his own unique style, has a great point.

All you hardcore right wingers/Bible thumpers take note and listen to this man. Whatever your problems with any Republican nominee might be, the danger to this country and the harm we will endure if Hillary becomes President FAR FAR FAR outweigh your moral or philosophical concerns with a less than perfect Republican candidate.

Remember, you aren't just withholding your vote from Rudy the RINO or Romney or anyone else. In a 2 party system, you are in effect voting FOR Hillary.

Remember that come November, and do not let that socialist into the White House.

Right on
Outstanding article. I couldn't agree more.

No mas
Hillary as president would be a travesty and probably devastate this nation. The corrupt, clandestine, killing Clintons again? I agree with Doug, no, God, please, no mas. Maybe her HealthCare would come in handy though, since I do feel nauseous every time she opens her mouth, cackles, or assaults us with that phony smile. Le'Chaim.

Free Ramos and Compean

knight
what do you know that we do not ? Who is the fascist running against the hill that you are talking about ?

Knight
Knight, fighting your enemy is a principled act, as much or more so than supporting your allies. And make no mistake about it, Hillary is the enemy and as evil as they come. Le'Chaim.

Free Ramos and Compean

Outstanding
Far too often, as King Liberal points out, we use the fear of Hillary as an argument to vote for WHOEVER wins the GOP nomination.

Perhaps that isn't the most effective angle?

Giles is right. It is not just my unease over the policy directions she might take, it is my EXTREME aversion to having to look at her anymore. To having to hear that awful voice.

The only possible worse voices I can think of would be a liberal Fran Drescher or that guy who played Robin Williams' gay brother in "Mrs. Doubtfire". I cannot take four years of that voice.

I'm not sure I can go through the race listening to her soundbytes.

This time around, the best reason to vote GOP, is to save us from 4 years of Hillary. And not just because of her politics. Vote against the tackiness of it all.

Also, defeating Hillary is a necessary, vital step towards freeing this country from the tyranny of the 1960s. Even if we have to elect Rudy to do it. WE MUST KILL THE IDEA OF THE 1960s ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Knight
Actually he may have a point. with the number of people she has had murdered, the illegal dealings, her lying, any one would be less evil than the Lizard Queen.
On a personal note, you display all the characteristics of a far left closed mind. You attack with witless sarcasm, believe the first lie the media gives you, don't listen or respond civilly, and alienate those with whom you come in contact. My uncle has been like you all his life. He is now lonely and desperate for friends. As much as we love him he is very hard to be around. It is a shame that in his sixties is when he calms his hatred enough to let us care about him. So we won't give up hope for you.

Oh, Doug
You are such a he-man! I'll bet your bedroom is covered with posters of Ted Nugent and dead deer on car hoods.

oragami
this guy is a dennis miller wannabe.

Touj...
You too.

knight_of_baawa
"Well, I guess we know where he stands: without any real principles. He's not voting for someone so much as voting against her."

When anti-war types vote for Hillary next year as the frontrunner, what will that say about their principles?

Hillary will run over your car
Bill and Hill have had three "public" pets--pets that were for publicity consumption.

The dog in AK and the dog Buddy that was acquired about the time Monica got the stain on her dress were both killed running loose on highways. A lot of family love there.

Socks the cat was at least given away when it was no longer useful to prove the Clintons were human and not real Stepford automatons for the great leftwing communist conspiracy.

To renny
It seems a little thick to assume that the Clintons deliberately sent their dog out to "run loose on the highway" and get killed because they found him inconvenient. But let's suppose that politicians do things for reasons of political expedience. Check out the timing of George W Bush buying a "ranch" in Texas and George W Bush running for governor of Texas. Check out the timing of Dick Cheney establishing legal residence in Wyoming and Dick Cheney saying he would scout around to find Bush a nice vice-president and then just happening to select himself (the candidates for presidence and vice-president can't be from the same state and Cheney was living in Texas).

You do recall her voting...
...for the use of force in Iraq, right?

Wasn't it just today or yesterday a bunch of protestors were arrested in her and Rudy's offices over Iraq?

If everybody on the far left who is angry with her over voting to attack Iraq stays home on Super Tuesday, she won't even come close.

Want to bet they'll stay home? I don't think they will.

hillary won't be the nominee
the right wants her to be owing to her divisiveness. she is the most "republican" of all the democratic candidates but is also the most unappealing. every single hillary supporter i know, other than james carville and bill press, is a woman who just wants to put a woman in office. i don't think they even know what she stands for.
edwards is the man.

I'll just vote
For the non-communist come nov , (if there is one).

One theory is...
Hillary will fail so badly that Algor will ride to the rescue.

HILLARY-OUS AND THE 8-LIVES CAT
Mr. Giles:
There was a poll on TH not long ago asking what Democrat could be most easily beaten by the Republicans. My answer: Mrs. Clinton.

Why? Because of all the things you said in your wonderfully funny column.

Now, I admit that many people cannot bear looking at President Bush anymore -- and it has the effect on them of producing horrible tummy rumbles and an uncomfortable bulimic feeling.

The same can be said for Mrs. C. We had eight years of her in the background when Billy was President, and that was plenty. Plenty, I say.

We certainly do not need a minimum of four years with her in the foreground. The bile is beginning to rise already.

I believe I was right: of all the Democrat candidates out there, Mrs. C. will be the most easily whipped by any old Republican. Well, almost any old Repub. We need to get one that sets us all afire with pride and the need not to rush to the nearest WC but to the nearest polling place.


Ill be doggone!
Lily writes:

"seems a little thick to assume that the Clintons deliberately sent their dog out to "run loose on the highway" and get killed because they found him inconvenient."
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Every once in a while I agree with you Lilly.
this one of those meoments.

Question for Doug: Was Romney also trying to get rid of his no longer needed dog when he strapped the poor creature to his car top for a trip?

No, of course not. He's just callous...not to mention slick, disingenous, capricious, lacking good judgment and credulous enough to believe in an angel named moroni.

Ill vote third party if he's the nominee.

The time to make your point
about who you think is best qualified for President is in the Primary. Chat up your friends and aquaintances, write letters to the editor, put a bumper sticker on your car, go post on DailyKoz (even us Righties); spread the word!

Just remember: come the election, you've got just two choices. So swallow your pride and put on a happy face and vote for the one who most closely matches your ideals for the country.

And then, chat up your friends and aquaintances, write letters to the editor, put a bumper sticker on your car, go post on DailyKoz (even us Righties); spread the word to keep your selection on the Right path (we should be experts by now trying to get GW to toe the Right line!).

Joe_America
THAT is how you win elections.

THAT is how you get goodies AFTER the election that you win.

Stuff like tax cuts...or at least no new taxes.

Stuff like principled opposition to gun control.

Decent Supreme Court Justices.

Somebody who will fight terrorism as an act of war rather than a matter for the police and trial lawyers.

And no, you will not get ALL of the goodies you want.

You will get some things you don't want. Nature of the beast.

But one thing you DO get by winning is the ability to influence the guy you elected. You can stop him from doing a ports deal, or nominating a nobody for SCOTUS, or signing an amnesty bill into law.

You can only influence somebody who has WON an election and needs your continued support in order to be effective.

Whatever influence you exercise over a LOSER means nothing. And you will not influence somebody who knows she isn't going to get your vote regardless of what she does.

How to prevent a Hitlary presidency
There's only one Republican who can trounce Hillary in a general election, and that's Ron Paul. Why Ron Paul? Because there are two large groups of voters who will just stay home if anyone else gets the Republican nomination. First, those voters who have been stabbed in the back by big-spending Republicans. They know very well that Dr. Paul, and only Dr. Paul, is serious about cutting out federal pork. From anybody else, any talk of fiscal responsibility is just empty words, and the voters know it. Secondly, the anti-war crowd will turn out in droves to vote for Ron Paul. Hillary has waffled on the war; Paul's position has been 100% consistent. They'll either vote for the shrew or just stay home if the Republican nominee supports the war, and all but Paul do. Without the support of these two groups, the Republican nominee won't stand a chance, and those losers who think it's the government's job to babysit them from cradle to grave will sweep the reincarnation of Karl Marx into office and turn this once-great nation into a latter-day Soviet Union.

Doug
This was the best you have ever done. I wish there was some way I could save that cartoon. Especially since you ddn't discuss it, but she is accused of killing her daughter's cats.

Et tu Socks?

"Anybody BUT HELLary is about as

principled as you get! Geeze!

Sometimes, such as in this situation, who ISN'T elected is just as important is who IS elected.


Wait... in this case, it's more important who ISN'T elected. :-)









Letrting two dogs get killed,
accidentally, on highways is not quite the same as planning a career by running for office and governing a state for years.

In F. Scott Fitzgerald's novel The Great Gatsby the causes of pain and death are Tom and Daisy Buchanan. At the end, the narrator Nick Carraway calls them "careless." Tom and Daisy aren't exactly evil incarnate, but they don't care.

I would say the least I could assess of the Clinton would be they are careless, careless of those people (who are discarded like tissue paper) and creatures who no longer serve their purposes.

I feel incredibly lucky
... to not know what this "Hillary killing cats" theme is about.

Please don't spoil it for me. Thank you. Good night all.

Interestingly enough
The primary complain Giles has against Mrs. Lenin (aside from her contempt for the law, her communist approach to governance, and her involvement in several unsolved murders) is her nauseating shrillness. This is the same problem I have with Ron Paul. Neither one of these people wears well after about a paragraph of public speaking. Is there any chance that Paul could take some statesman lessons? His non-presidential stature (and his stance on Islamic Jihadism) make him the least presidential of any of the candidates (except for Mrs. Lenin.)

But Giles' point is well taken; Mrs. Lenin is irritating to the nth degree, like fingernails on a chalkboard. 4 years of her (maybe less if she is impeached for upcoming Shue campaign corruption trial) will drive us all, liberal and conservative, crazy.

Sad times we live in...
It's really sad that when the Republicans give us such a lame group of candidates to choose from, they ALL stand head-and-shoulders above Hillary. What a sorry Party; the Democrat Party. Let's recap WHY they're so sorry:

Jimmy Carter
Walter Mondale
Mike Dukakis
Bill Clinton
Al Gore
John Kerry
Hillary Clinton

What a losers' Hall of Fame!! And that's just their Presidential candidates! The only one who wasn't a TOTAL loser was a draft-dodging, pot-smoking, womanizer who ran as a moderate and STILL couldn't win a majority. Then he governed as a moderate because his inept wife handed the congressional majority to the Republicans.

Both major Parties are really quite lame. The only thing lamer is the third-parties that keep trotting out their silly rhetoric at election time.

What's the answer? I know it's NOT Hillary...

ROTFLMAO!
Thanks,Doug!

Just got home, and you made my day.

Right there with you. Seeing or hearing either of those two aging hookers makes me want to reach for a crucifix, a stake and a silver bullet as a back-up.

Good article
Doug, you've captured it!

Anyone with half a brain and a minimum of moral scrupples has got to be appalled with the prospect that the fascist/socialist madam klinton may actually have a shot at becoming president.

And this would be Act II, of a farce we've already barfed through. What a combo: Southern, white-trash, flim-flam man and madam DeFarge - a marriage(more like an alliance) made in hell.

Considering what the klintons have already gotten away with, and the fact that their position on the crime learning curve is well advanced, the US we've known would never exist again.

Shrillary RobinHood Clinton
Would like nothing better than to dig her talons into your hip pocket and get cash to buy votes from her Descamisados.

Regarding the Thatcher or Rice comment: I'd take Thatcher, but Rice has been drinking the State Department Koolaid!(I suggest you all read Shadow Warriors by Kenneth Timmerman).

Maybe Lynn Cheney, if she made the commitment to never be embarassed by her natural power and back off, the way she did after her Wolf Blitzer slam-down.

And perhaps Mrs. Mitt Romney... but of course, I would love to see her as First Lady. If you haven't heard her speak yet, you are in for a treat!!!

Screeeeeeew that
Giles fancies hisself as some tough-talkin' chump, don't he? Yeah, he's all swagger and gun-totin' jes like his idol, GeeDubya.

Even still, dumbing down his rhetoric - or is this really how he talks? -only makes his one-note Hillary-bashing rant more ridiculous.

ABC, baby
Anybody but Clinton!

Talisman Loves Shrillary the Shrew!
Like a knight Err-ant coming to the aid of his lady-love, the fair Shrillster, up in her Leftie Ivory Tower.

Talisman the Brave is willing to even stand up to Sir Giles, who assaults Mrs. RobinHood-Clinton with his rapier wit.

Hillary in a mini-skirt?!

Fun-knee article. And the caricature is, too.

*****
Duncan Hunter for president.
http://www.gohunter08.com/

"I support people with good judgment, proven values, a belief in God, and a heart for the least of us, including the unborn." – Duncan Hunter

Nice rewrite of history, Lilly
lilly writes: Saturday, November, 10, 2007 7:55 PM
To renny
Check out the timing of George W Bush buying a "ranch" in Texas and George W Bush running for governor of Texas. Check out the timing of Dick Cheney establishing legal residence in Wyoming and Dick Cheney saying he would scout around to find Bush a nice vice-president and then just happening to select himself (the candidates for presidence and vice-president can't be from the same state and Cheney was living in Texas).


PRESIDENT Bush grew up in, and spent most of his life in Texas, so there is nothing unusal about him buying a ranch there, or running for, and being elected, governor there.
He also was a partial owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team as well as working for a major Texas oil company.

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY was born and raised in Wyoming, and that was ALWAYS his primary state of residence. He may have lived and worked in Texas for a time, but he was a LEGAL RESIDENT OF WYOMING.
Aside from that, HE DID NOT PICK HIMSELF TO BE V.P., George Bush ppicked him when none of the people that Cheney selected were up to the standards that BUSH had set for the running mate he wanted.

Nice try, but next time try learning the truth before you post your left wing talking points.

knight_of_baawa
I have a few questions. In light of the below definition of fascism, who in the Republican party is a fascist? What specific acts of fascism have occurred and by whom? What U.S. citizen has lost life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness under this fascist person to whom you refer?

Proviso: U.S. troops don't count because they are voluntary members of the military. Also, Dr. Steven Hatfill doesn't count because me know that reputational lynching was carried by the liberal mainstream media.

fas·cism: A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Bobble headed dolls
When Ron Paul loaded up the plate with mountains of pork for his district, knowing in advance that the vote would be veto proof, then voted agasinst the bill to preserve his 'gold plated' credentials, what ninny could ever claim this guy is the real deal.

Next time someone shows you a $3.00 bill, look closely at it, that's Ron Paul.........

I agree with knight_of_baawa to the extent that yes, sometimes you vote AGAINST a candidate just to preserve your own sanity.

Hillary's shrill voice and manufactured cackle is one thing but here's another which isn't manufactured or staged, it's that incessant bobble headed nodding of her heard that just sends me up a wall.

But Repubs should cool it, even vote for her in the Primaries ala McCain.........assuring her for the Democrat ticket.

That is our best and perhaps only solution for 2008. Once she's safely in at the top of her ticket, then we can run daily spots of her current Democrat opponents criticising her during their nauseating debates accompanied by her bobbing head and cackle. Do that once a night, over and over again......

Close each clip with Bill's wagging finger while saying, "I did not have.........." and the Repubs will take it in a walk.

The last time I checked...
...a vote against someone counted just as much as a vote for someone,no more,no less.So I don't have a problem with negative votes.

Mrs. Lenin
I have to confess that the first thought I had when I saw that was Yoko Ono.

The comparison is eerie, eh?

Incidentally, one of the reasons I would never vote for Ron Paul is the timbre of his voice. I cannot stand the thought of having someone with a screechy voice and flappy hands to apologize for among my friends for the next four years.

Well that and the fact that I have lived under socialism for 10 years and Hilary has never lived under it, and I know better than she does where those ideas lead.

Voting
It seems to me the last several times I have been voting, it has been as much voting AGAINST someone as voting FOR someone. The choices we have had has not been ideal. My daddy says the same thing, he normally goes to the polls to vote AGAINST someone. Isn't that what it is all about, trying to keep some politician OUT of office?

Anybody but Hillary
Doug nails it here, in a very humorous way. Gotta love it.

But on a more serious note, I've voted in every presidential election since 1972 when I was 18; and yes, I voted for Nixon, and have never regretted that decision. Of course, given who the choices were, it was a no-brainer, even for the snot-nosed kid I was then.

But one thing I learned over the years since is that no candidate is going to be all things to all people, particularly presidential ones. I learned THAT lesson the hard way when I voted for Carter in '76 (he said while putting a paper bag over his head in shame). Even Ronaldus Magnus pulled a few boners while in office.

There is always going to be a certain element of "the lesser of two evils" when it comes to choosing a candidate to vote for. But when you are standing in that polling booth, looking at those two names, which one do you honestly think will do the less damage while standing at the levers of great power in this country?

And the sad simple fact is that the Dims have picked, certainly in my experience over the pasrt 35 years or so, the biggest bunch of losers one could imagine. The only reason the Clintons won in '92 and '96 was thanks to Ross Perot splitting the vote that otherwise would have gone to the Republican. For all their mewling about the 2000 election, GWB still got more of the "popular" vote than Clinton/Gore ever did.

And Hillary Clinton? Is THAT the best they can do? I know the party of Truman and Kennedy is long dead, but geez. No, with the exception of Ron Paul, who won't last past the first couple of primaries for the simple reason that he's a space cadet, whoever the Repubs end up nominating will still be head and shoulders better as president than any of the empty suits the Commiecrats are putting up, most especially the PIAPS (for those of you who have not spent much time on Lucianne.com, that means Pig In A Pants Suit...:)

Actually, AudiR10, it's not
AudiR10 writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 6:19 AM
Mrs. Lenin
I have to confess that the first thought I had when I saw that was Yoko Ono.

The comparison is eerie, eh?


Mrs. HELLARY Clinton Lenin is spelled just the way you spelled it.

Yoko Ono LENNON is spelled entirely differently. And Yoko, to my knowledge, is NOT an avowed Communist with designs on ruining this country.

Cave Bear
PIAPS. PIAPS. Hmmmmmmmmm??? Who are we talking about, Cave Bear? Anybody i might know? :-D

So a chubby lady in a pants suit
walks into a bar with her dog on a leash. Hey shouts the bartender, You can't bring that pig in here. Its not a pig, sniffs the lady. Its a dog. I know, says the bartender. I was talking to the dog.

Screech gal
Wonder if we wil get and principle-based choice in 2008

pjal at 4:45 AM...
... has some good thoughts for an ad campaign.

The main thing is though... we cannot afford to let Hillary play the "victim" card. Her approval ratings always rise when she gets portrayed this way.

It is a fine line that must be walked.

doggrage
"I have a few questions. In light of the below definition of fascism, who in the Republican party is a fascist? What specific acts of fascism have occurred and by whom? What U.S. citizen has lost life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness under this fascist person to whom you refer?"


-have you ever heard of the evil, villainous bad guy called "the decider"?

Sorry Doug
This is a meanspirited, personal, emotion-driven attack. There is therefore no credibility in it. I prefer those who stick to repectable arguments.
You've given posters like Lilly alot of ammunition to characterize conservative thinkers as small-minded.
(No I won't be voting for Senator Clinton, but it's about the politics).

Only the “dim witted” are incapable of

seeing the HUMOR … and of course the FACTS in this column.

Allow me to explain.

In order to make his point as emphatic as he needed, Giles had to make a choice. 1) get down in the dirt, use profanity, and write like a mean spirited, nasty dumbo (kind of like knight of boob, etc.) or 2) say the exact same thing but in a humorous way.

Being a Christian, and obviously possessing a great sense of humor, Giles chose option #2.

Now, one must have at least a modicum of intelligence, a grasp of the English language, and good mental health to understand what Giles’ humor and what he was saying. And we already know who doesn’t possess any of those!

So, there you have it! Excellent column! Well written! Very funny! Spot on!

And, btw, Talisman says above, “Giles fancies hisself…” The correct word is “himself.” There is no such word as “hisself.” (Although I know a public school teacher, of 25yrs. who actually uses that word. She’s a dimo and a public school teacher… so what does THAT tell you???)




AbingtonJim
If Hillary is the Democrat nominee for POTUS I will vote Republican because of the following:

Chinese military send a man into space

Destroy a satellite in low earth orbit

Surface an undetected nuclear submarine inside the defense screen of the US Kitty Hawk

Each event occurred because the Chinese used technology that the Clinton's ordered sold to them.

POTUS?

The Clinton's are a threat to national security and should be in prison, not the White House.

talibanman
yet continually moan about anyone who critisizes the clintons. Plantation boy can sing his praises for his fake heroes all he wants and thinks he is standing on principle. Reality assures us you are merely another minority singing the praises of another leftists/soiclaist/lib/dim who you think is goingto send more handouts to your fellow inmates on the dims plantation. I would suggest you man up but that skill is not taught azmoingst the dims favorite victim group

AbingtonJim: Excellent START!!!
And, how many OTHER countries have technology they shouldn’t have because of Bill?

And of course, let’s not forget the largest campaign collection fraud in the history of the United States!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019 &q=hillary+uncensored&total=150&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=se arch&plindex=0

And that’s not even counting John Hsu…

So many reasons, and so little time…….



gee Anne
Now that you've explained reduced Giles column to elements you can understand, so nice of you to give us an English lesson as well.

Should we let Talisman explain his tongue-in-cheek remark? Or should we just let you go on believing you've got a grasp on grammar, not comprehended by the rest of us?

Nah, it would be an insult to Talisman to explain the ironies to you.

knight_of_baaaawa
So any Repbulican would be a "facist"?? You need to explain that remark. You also need to share with the group ANY reason to vote for hill the socialist.
See, facist is the name the left has applied to any Republican. No backing of the name, just must be something they like the sound of.
On the other hand, hill is a socialist by her shear actions and any stand she may have on an issue.
So, you need to explain your post.

Great Article
Giles is right. I think that's why we are argue so vehemently over the Repub candidates. We know we have to pick one! And they are such a sorry lot.

lilly
You know hon, it's not so far fetched to think the clintons would "do away with the pooch." See, we on the right find it a totally reasonable assumption.
After all, the likes of foster, hubbell, mcdougal, and countless others became an "inconvenience" to the loving couple. So, you must be able to understand out point of view. Yes?
As for the carpetbagging hill in comparision to Bush. Sweetie, the biotch is my senator and she has done nothing but campaign for president since she strong armed her way to the senatorial nomination. I'm paying her salary out my high, high taxes and she has done nothing but show up in my neck of the state for little more than a photo op. She promised thousands, upon thousands of jobs for my area and all she brought was a company that manages OFFSHORE customer service to major companies. The local boon for the county-10. So, the woman is nothing more than a miserable, mean human being. And I'm being kind in calling her human.

Dumb Dumb Giles.
Doug Giles has really got to be a piece of work.
He hurts physically when looking at Clinton? If his mind is so twisted that the cartoon is what Giles sees, I can understand the hurt, but there is a certain cure for that.

With all Giles name calling, Bad language etc. I imagine it will raise her at the polls at least 5% points. With all the help she gets From Giles and numberious abusive remarks from a lot of so called Conservatives I don't see how she could possibly lose the nomination or the Presidency.
I wasn't going to vote for her if nominated, but now I thin I will. A candidate with this much negativity from the a so called conservative has got to be good.

blustrmom/grndmomx2: But that's what

the dumbos do... just attach names to Republicans with no explanation, rhyme, nor reason... just name calling.

But then in knight of boob's case, facist, hypocrite, and liar about exhausts his vocabulary.

I'm not sure that the Republican Party is excited about any one of the candidates, but ANY is far better than HELLary... hands down! (Well, maybe not paul, but he isn't a Republican anyway!)






Hate Clinton
OK Finally the truth. Republicans and conservatives just hate her. I just can't help but remember all of those many hours on FOXS news talking about how Demoncrates just hate BUSH, not his policies but him. Now you confirm it you just hare Hillary and (Bill). But what is the real reason? Because they are the only Dems smart enough to beat you. She is no socialist in fact she is a moderate and they are the greatest threat to your movement. Because most Americans are not right wig nuts, they are Moderates who have been given a false choice.

Given how incompetent conservatives proved themselves to be in power. It is likely that Hillary will be our next President. Conservatives will relegated back to the place they held prior to Ronald Reagan as an angry fringe movement.


Remember that the anything but Bush crowd got the Dems the flawed candidacy of John Kerry. Hillary won't be swiftboated. She knows how to fight back.

TK-Libertarian
Good point and true.

Even if the gun-grabbing Guliani is nominated, I'll vote for him. Every non-vote for the Republican gives Komrad Hillary (Socialist-Democrat Party) a vote.

blustrmom/grndmomx2: Good advice!

Ignore the psycho knight!

I think he should be ranking second after roberto on the "DNRR (Do Not Read or Respond)List."



Question just occurred to me….

Until now I suspected that the liberal/socialist/communists camp out here, on an obviously CONSERVATIVE site, just to name call and insult, pretty much at the direction of their liberal/socialist/communist leaders at kos and/or huff & puff, etc.

However, now I’m beginning to wonder if they’re here, on an obviously CONSERVATIVE site because even the liberal/socialist/communist leaders don’t want them.

Ummmm???



blustrmom/grndmomx2: What did I tell ya?

It usually takes about 2.4mins (sometimes less) for these lemmings to prove our points. LOL





Funny
I liked the article. Too bad many of you didn't take it as tongue in cheek and yet there is alot of truth in what Giles says. I can't stand her rantings or shrillness either.

DavidMac
Even with Rudy's background in NYC against guns, I feel my rights are far, far safer with him than any Democrat in the running. Especially if the Dems hang on to control of both houses.

Let's just admit it. Most opposition to Rudy around here is over guns. Maybe a few over abortion, but I'm frankly sick to death of that issue. Only SCOTUS is going to change abortion, and we'll have far more influence with Rudy on who he nominates for justices than we would with any Dem president who also has the Senate under control.

But SCOTUS nominations also have something to do with 2nd Amendment decisions too, don't they? Having a 2nd Amendment case go before the SCOTUS after Hillary or Obama has sent another Ginsburg to the court, thus unbalancing it left, scares the bejeezus out of me.

Cont'd

DavidMac
Even with Rudy's background in NYC against guns, I feel my rights are far, far safer with him than any Democrat in the running. Especially if the Dems hang on to control of both houses.

Let's just admit it. Most opposition to Rudy around here is over guns. Maybe a few over abortion, but I'm frankly sick to death of that issue. Only SCOTUS is going to change abortion, and we'll have far more influence with Rudy on who he nominates for justices than we would with any Dem president who also has the Senate under control.

But SCOTUS nominations also have something to do with 2nd Amendment decisions too, don't they? Having a 2nd Amendment case go before the SCOTUS after Hillary or Obama has sent another Ginsburg to the court, thus unbalancing it left, scares the bejeezus out of me.

Cont'd

anne
I doubt that it is possible for the right to dislike the missus clinton as much as she detests everyone who is not either a willing supplicant to her phony philosophy of life or worse still actively opposes her for her nutcase ideas. But she never apologized for her nutty vast right wing conspiracy insults. What it really shows is hoiw immature and childish her thinking truly is. I could disagree with you, although I have yet to find any reason for that, but I don't hate because we have differing opinions. The missus clinton is incapable of seeing diagreement of anything other than personal atack. And stoll the dims defend her as a person of principle

I believe the word "hyperbole"

is a 6th or 7th grade vocabulary word...

But obviously, the demos don't know it...

Here ya go....

Hyperbole:
1) obvious and intentional exaggeration.

2) an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally.


Get a grip guys!



knight_of_baaaawa
Your response is that of a typical elitist. If you make a claim, assumption, whatever, the poltie thing to do is to explain it to the group. Escpecially when asked, however, being an elitist, guess not.
You appear to think a lot of yourself and little of anyone who holds a differing opinion. Shame, you just might have missed out on some give and take dialogue. Guess you don't want that.
As for "knowing more about economics, etc than me". Perhaps.
As for giving up our liberties, you can only speak for yourself. You can offer your opinion but you cannot speak for all Americans, OK? Until the left is successful in silencing those of us on the right we will continue to voice our opinions.
Also, slow down on the name calling, it weakens your opinion. And that's all you have, an opinion.
My Austrian ancestors are not happy with your reference.

You got it, Anne
I just love the way the discussion spirals down the john into a name calling fest. When in doubt, throw the names. I honestly hope for a real discussion, it's what we need. However, in the eyes of the left-we are evil incarnate.
As for knight of "whatever", we are just to stooopid to talk to the likes of him/her. Just tooo stooopid.

KNIGHT OF BOO HOO

.....Go back to abusing yourself over that poster of Bill in a thong and stop bothering us grow-ups .....COLOSSUS

knight_of_baaaawa
OK, I'll bite. Just how do you KNOW you are more of a capitalist than anyone here? Just how? Do you know all of us, our backgrounds, our lifestyles, etc. Here I go again, explain.
You must realize how you come off don't you??

Anne sham
Anne writes;
And, BTW, Talisman says above, “Giles fancies hisself…” The correct word is “himself.” There is no such word as “hisself.” (Although I know a public school teacher, of 25 years. who actually uses that word. She’s a dime and a public school teacher… so what does THAT tell you???)

Maybe Anne should read more before opening BIG mouth and sticking Big foot in it.

Merriam-Webster.
hisself
One entry found.

hisself



Main Entry: hisself
Pronunciation: \(h)i-'self, -'sef\
Function: pronoun
Date: 12th century
chiefly dialect : himself 1

This is like the rest of her so called conservative comments, open mouth, stick in foot.

Ron paul is a moron
Without a doubt, and you idiots who think he can beat Hillary must have gota hold of some bad dope. Ron Paul's foolish Iraq policy is only part of the problem. The guy couldn't govern a village let alone the top country in the world. If he ends up running as an off the wall 3rd party candidate it will be deja vu for the Clintons. Wonder what they gave Ross for his assists to wild willie. Maybe Monica's phone number....

DavidMac
So what would we get with Rudy as President? Up front, I have to tell you he is not my first choice. Indeed, considering issues, he is my second to last choice just ahead of Paul.

He went to the NRA and tried to make his peace. He was basically saying, "Okay, New York was New York. I need you guys. Relax. I won't make things worse."

Hillary is NOT going to do that. She wouldn't be caught dead in the same room with that crowd...which actually might consider killing her.

I can't tell you how many guns I own. I'd have to sit down and make a list. At the bare minimum, I have to believe the person I'm voting for will at least maintain the status quo concerning my gun rights right now. When faced with an obvious enemy, Hillary, I would without hesitation vote for somebody who pledges to do no harm.

So, what else would we get?

Experienced executive leadership. Say what you will about Rudy, you can't say he doesn't have experience. Not many other Republican or Democrat candidates can make that claim. Rudy can manage.

A history of fiscal responsibility. This is no small thing. Here is somebody who might actually cut spending and taxes.

He might put New York in play. That's 31 electoral votes. Four less than just Texas. Eleven more than Ohio. He could even have a regional effect, perhaps putting New Jersey into play.

If he can maintain the GOP lock on the South (with some vigorous campaigning and a lot of money spent down there) WHILE taking 31 electoral votes away from the Dems, we're talking a serious beat down.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The upshot is
Even if it's a fascist running against Hillary, he'll vote for the fascist.

Well, I guess we know where he stands: without any real principles. He's not voting for someone so much as voting against her.

THIS from a guy who probably joined those in trying to put "just anyone" (i.e. Gore and Kerry) instead of Bush into the White House? Hasn't he ever heard the term "yellow-dog Democrat"? Wake up, pal!

pjal
Actually, Ron Paul has a history of voting against pork but not refusing it for his own district. What has been left out of this charaterization until now is the question of how all that pork for Paul's own district got in there in the first place.

I know none of the specifics, but it seems logical to me that it would not be there because some other House member insisted on it or asked for it, especially if he couldn't count on getting Paul's vote in return.

So how long has this charlatan been playing both ends against the middle? Who cares? He's not really a Republican anyway. He's a Libertarian who's gaming the two-party system to further his own career just as he is gaming the pork-barrel system in Congress.


knight_of_baaaawa
You posted at 9:55AM in regards to Anne "she is a hypocrite and psycho", I call that name calling.
In my opinion, based on your response to me and others, you are an elitist. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it. As for paranoia in regards to the left. Based on their actions towards those of us of differing opinions and poltical views, my opinion is warranted.
Throw all the names you want, you still come off as smug and self serving.
Why the nasty response to baseballdoc?

Knight of Ron Paul
Speaking of Trolls, did you guys ever find a bridge big enough to fit Ron Paul's ego under?

Clinton's
You typically vote for people that share similar political and social views as you do. But you also have to be able to trust that person, if not you don't vote for them unless you drink the kool-aid and pull the lever for a particular person because you are told to. Pay attention to what they say and do and if you trust them vote for them.

I don't trust the Clinton's.

Simple!

knight_of_baaaawa
Because you state you are what you say you are does not mean you know squat about any of us.
You assume an awful lot there fella.

STOP TRASHING HILLARIOUS

.....Doug ...Back off Hillary ...

.....Hillary cannot win the election ...we want her as the Democrat opponent ...

.....If the Media turns against Hillary then Al Bore will ride in on his Green Slime Machine and accept his Parties nomination at the Convention ...

.....With his Nobel Peace Prize under his arm and the "Green" mania sweeping the Country he might prove to be a tougher opponent to beat ...don't forget he got more popular votes than GW ...that's when Hillary wanted to do away with the electoral vote ...

.....so stop dumping on Hillary ...we don't want her to lose the Primary ...we want her to lose the National election .....COLOSSUS

wildwest: Excellent points...but,

I think that rather than detest those who disagree with her, she holds them in contempt.

And, the only thing worse than having someone who wants to control you… which she obviously does, is having someone who wants to control you AND holds you in contempt.

Then there is the issue of what happens to those who either disagree or know too much. And we know what tends to happen to THEM! The words “unresolved” and “undetermined” should immediately spring to mind…

She’s obviously a crook, and should be doing time in the “big house” instead of the “White House.” See AbingtonJim's post and my 9:22AM post above.

The women has no class, culture, manners, or good taste. It is unbelievable that she would actually say that the White House needs a "clean sweep" using the imagery of grabbing mops and buckets to clean up the mess in the White House. (NO hyperbole there!)

The BIG problem is, the demos can’t seem to tell the difference between “smearing” and “truth telling.” If you don’t agree with HELLary then they automatically believe that you’re smearing her or you hate her… Even when you back up what your statements.




KNIGHT OF BOO HOO

.....Thanks for the compliment ...you like my posts so much that you repeat them back to me ...

.....Are you playing that child's game ...
...I am rubber ...
...You are glue ...
...Insults bounce off me ..
...And stick to you ...?

.....I would say that you have the IQ of the average 12 year old so it fits .....COLOSSUS

blustrmom/grndmomx2: You noticed?

Well, not to worry, psycho knight does that all the time... I'm pretty sure he just "copies & pasts."

Shows lack of intelligence and originality, but...

psycho knight is probably one of those who even the liberal/socialist/communists don't want around them, which is probably why he's here...



Just random speculation...
Hey Doug, that bean burrito has a name down here. It's called a gut bomb for quite obvious reasons.

I think there are a whole lot of men in this country of all political persuasions, who will secretly vote against Hillary to spite having their masculinity feminized over the last few decades. They won't tell their wives they are voting against the first woman ever to run for POTUS, they will just quietly go and do what their male instinct tells them is the right thing to do and to stop the effects of that gut bomb.

As a woman, who has worked with women and men, I would ten times rather work with a man than a woman. Women can be vicious creatures in the work place and don't mind stabbing another woman in the back to defend territory.

A menopausal woman as POTUS is a scary thought for me.


OK knight_of_baaaawa
One last post before I morph into a real grandmom, make the cookies and stir the sauce for my right wing working capitalist family.

Can I attempt to whittle down your rhetoric into what I think is your stand?? OK, just little ole' granny going up against the president of mensa-

You are for Ron Paul and anyone who isn't is an (pick one)idiot, sheep, facist, stupid or just plain dumb. Am I right??

I'll check tomorrow, gotta play granny.

Anne-love your posts, as usual. Have a good Sun day.

Clutch
"Speaking of Trolls, did you guys ever find a bridge big enough to fit Ron Paul's ego under?"

Forget Paul's ego!

"Because I follow Austrian economics, and I'm an anarchocapitalist. Anything else is just statist apologetics."

"I haven't called anyone names, and Carl Menger, Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk (who is on the shirt I'm wearing), Ludwig von Mises, and Friedrich Hayek would be disappointed in you."

Man, I gotta' tell you. I WANT to be a member of a movement that has people who talk like that in it! Where do I sign up? Is there an office somewhere?

Or do I just go down the street to the house that always has the shades drawn and never hands out candy on Halloween? You know, that bearded guy who smokes a pipe and is only seen outside his house either at work or manning the "U.S. Out of the U.N." booth at the gunshow nobody ever stops at.

Folks, we're talking a charismatic JUGGERNAUGHT of unstoppable proportions.

And where, OH WHERE, can I get one of those t-shirts!?

This is an amusing article
although I try myself to argue against someone with more fact and analysis and less emotion and name calling. However, I have to admit Hillary seems to engender in me an emotional response of negativity. This negativity captures me before I can analyze my political and philosophical differences.I wonder how many other voters feel the same way and how this will influence how they vote, with the head or the emotions?

on various topics, including cats
I can understand how some would support almost any alternative to Hillary.

I won't go that far, but I understand full well that Hillary would radically advance the "nanny state". And that is most troubling.

However, Edwards would be even worse. Plus, Edwards is totally controlled by the radical enviro lobby, and if president, would pursue policies that would wreck our economy and standard of living.

Hillary, whether for political expediency, or due to legitimate worries on Iraq, does not favor an immediate withdrawal on Iraq, unlike some on the left. She is more "hawkish" on Iraq, than, say, Edwards or Richardson. Notice, I did NOT say I support her.

I draw a distinction between what is happening in Iraq, and the general threat Islam poses to our nation.

Many neocons who so badly advised Bush on Iraq have now flocked to Giuliani.

That is a problem.

But I am still undecided. I despise how neocons have wrecked the foreign policy agenda of the republican party. And I equally despise how radical leftists, especially in the enviro movement, control democratic presidential contenders, like puppets on a string. We can't permit them to destroy our economy.

However, the more crucial question is Giles' reference to cats.

I fully realize this is a radical observation, but one's choice of a pet is irrelevant to one's sexual orientation.

Real men do not need to use the selection of a pet as a basis to broadcast their sexuality to the world. Only those who are unsure of their sexuality would resort to such absurd shenanigans.

Alleging only effeminate males would love cats, or only manly males would love dogs, is 4th rate psychobabble.


It does appear that the psycho


knight is actually the "king of 'copy & paste.'"

Oh, and blustermom... here's the difference... when I call him the psycho knight it's because he shows every indication of actually BEING psycho.

In This Case Shoot the Messenger
UGH! - The message may be right but talking like a wiseass brat isn't helping. Grow up!

Nitwit of BooHoo
My fellow conservatives, please DO NOT FEED the nitwit!

For JMO51 (Part 1)
You wrote:

"OK Finally the truth. Republicans and conservatives just hate her. I just can't help but remember all of those many hours on FOXS news talking about how Demoncrates just hate BUSH, not his policies but him. Now you confirm it you just hare Hillary and (Bill)."

Ok, if you insist, I hate both Clintons, although I prefer the word "despise".

Bill Clinton has sold ballistic missile technology to the ChiComms in return for campaign contributions. When he got caught he blamed the system for the fact that he couyldn't raise as much campaign cash legally as the Republicans. As a result of Clinton's law-breaking we got McCian Feingold, which punishes honest citizens foe the criminality of Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton hung the largest tax increase in history on us. It took five years, but Slick Willie's tax increase finally threw a wet blanket on a booming economy that was driven by guys like Bill Gates (who Clinton's Justice Dept. sued), not by Bill Clinton. But of course Clinton grabbed the credit for the very economic boom he destroyed while lying to us about the economy in 1999 and 2000 to preserve his "legacy".

When the rest of his incompetent policies came up a-crapper he spent his last year in office trying to imbue his legacy as the environmental President. In the process, by a stroke of his pen, he declared dozens of places, millions of acres of land, as "scenic" reserves. The fact that much of this involved dictating to the private owners of this land what they would be allowed to do with it didn't phase him in the least.

And finally, as if he wanted to be sure we would all know what kind of soulless, rudderless, egoist he truly is, he made sure he pardoned all of thoise wonderful creeps and traitors whose friends helped him and his wife financially just before he left office.

What's not to like?


For JMO51 (Part 2)
Then we have Mrs. Wonderful, with her plan to confiscate oil company profits and invest them in competing technology, national health care, and enormous tax increases and redistribution of wealth "for the greater good".

She gave us cattle-futures-gate, Travel-Office-gate, and missing-billing-records-gate.

She also gave us "We must destroy her", "You m*th*rf*ck*r" (crash of a thrown lamp in background)" and "That f*ck*ng Jew b*st*rd".

What a delightful couple.


By comparison GWB has...done what?

Forced House Republicans to pass a Medicare prescription benefit.

Let Ted Kennedy write the Education bill.

Tried to shove amnesty down his own party's throat.

Refused to veto anything in his first 5-1/2 years in office.

A real tyrant, that GWB.

Oh, I almost forgot, he was caught off-mike refering to a chickensh*t lib reporter as "a major league @sshole". And his VP had the gall to tell Pat Leahy "f*ck you" to his face (instead of behind his back, like Mrs. Wonderful would have), also off-mike.

Not quite in same league as Mrs. Wonderful, but it gives guys like you an excuse for your moral relativism, which is all you really want.

When we call Mrs. Clinton a communist or a socialist we have concrete reasons like confiscating profits, raising taxes, and a government takeover of health care.

When the left calls Bush "Hitler" they the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, which were not invasions of conquest, and the Patriot Act, which was legally enacted by Congress and then re-enacted under a different name by a Democrat-controlled Congress. In pther words, the left doesn't have squat.

That's the difference.


blustr/grndmomx2: Sound familiar???

Someone posted on a different thread that kob really does fit the DSM IV definition of a personality disorder.

But in general, kob does fit the description…. is a pattern of deviant or abnormal behavior that the person doesn't change even though it causes emotional upsets and trouble with other people at work and in personal relationships. It is not limited to episodes of mental illness, and it is not caused by drug or alcohol use, head injury, or illness. There are about a dozen different behavior patterns classified as personality disorders by DSM-IV.

All the personality disorders show up as deviations from normal in one or more of the following:
(1) cognition -- i.e., perception, thinking, and interpretation of oneself, other people, and events;
(2) affectivity -- i.e., emotional responses (range, intensity, lability, appropriateness);
(3) interpersonal functions;
(4) impulsivity.



The problem with Giles isn't usually his
message -- it is his delivery.

Basically, the whole "in your face" persona just comes across as phony. The alliteration becomes tiresome. The adjectives are clearly in his book of "really big words that sound really impressive but I never use in real life." And the cartoons are always marginal...looking like those charicatures the street vendors do.

I don't disagree with Giles' message -- that Hillary would be disasterous for this country, but would Edwards or Barak be any better in terms of actual policy? Putting the shrew-factor aside, how exactly do the other Democratic candidates' policies differ all that much from HRC's? In many ways, Barak scares me as much or more. Isn't this the same man who took his oath of office on the Koran?

ticabelle: Agreed!

knight of nitwit SHOULD be on the "DNRR (Do Not Read or Respond) List."

As I said above, I think he should be second on the list right after roberto roberto...



Anne
Nitwit is like one of those bratty kids that mimics anything you say right back at you and there is no way you are ever going to win with it because it is far superior in intelligence (in its own opinion). It is also an atheist which I found out in a previous column. I am still praying for it. Being atheistic explains a lot of its misery.

Between cookie batches-
Anne-so my feeling sorry and thinking he/she was dropped on it's head is wrong?? I was hoping the behavior could have been explained by some trauma.

How about delusions of grandeur?? Could fit.

Maybe I'll offer a chocalate chip cookie and some milk. That might calm him/her down.

Giles’ Column! Hysterically funny!

If you didn’t see the humor, too bad! You lose!

Does Giles actually “hate” HELLary? Who knows?

I’d guess that he probably doesn’t “hate” her, but there is no doubt, like many, many others, he doesn’t like her. BIG FAT DEAL!!!!

We all know people we don’t like… in fact, some whom we “don’t like” more than others. That’s life folks!

However, this whole discussion/debate (if you can call it that) is just ridiculous.

Of course Giles was being facetious (know what that word means?) when he talks about voting against HELLary. I’ve been voting for many years now, and NOT ONCE have I ever seen a place on any ballot that says, “Are you voting AGAINST _____?”

But, only a liberal would bring up, and make an issue out of such stupidity! Whomever one votes FOR is most likely the candidate whose policies the voter is in most agreement with.




Baawa
Disagreement does not equate to fear. And I have no reason to fear a representative of a 3% candidate in the races. Nor do I fear that your brilliant salesmanship [sic] of all things Paul will bring about the ruin of the GOP. That is a fantasy that exists only in your mind. Would you be afraid of you?

"Let us all know."

Ah, the rhetorical device of making it sound like I am isolated and you have a lot of people standing behind you waiting for me to explain myself to the majority!

But I have written it before. I'll do it again. And no, I lump Paul and his supporters together. It is a package deal. For I am not dealing with Paul here, but his surrogates. The most exposure any person will get from any candidate is from that candidate's supporters. So yes, you are a part of this.

Much of Paul's rhetoric, especially the foreign policy stuff, is indistinguishable from the rhetoric I've been hearing from the radical Left since the Age of Aquarius.

I swear I'm not making this up. A couple of weeks ago I turned on NPR and caught a candidate addressing an audience in California. The topic was foreign policy. Iraq. Terrorism. Keep in mind, I tuned in in the middle. I didn't hear the name of who was speaking, but I knew it was a presidential candidate.

Listening, I thought, "Hmm, now I'll get to hear this Ron Paul talk." The stuff he was saying was identical to stuff I'd heard from Paul before.

Except that at the end, I learned that I wasn't listening to Paul. It was Dennis Kucinich.

It was like back in the 1990s when people compared Gore's book to the Unibomber's manifesto and nobody could tell the difference.

ticabelle: You hit the nail on the head!

The interesting correlation is that "most" atheists tend to be demos, and regardless of what they'd like us to believe, they do tend to be far more antagonistic.

Even on Fox News, if you listen to how colmes deals with Conservative guests... sarcastic, condescending, etc., as well as Henican and Bechel. Can't seem to have a debate or discussion without insulting, etc.

And, of course, you see it right here on TH. Take a look at the threads, and you'll find that the posters are civil and polite UNTIL the first troll posts, THEN the thread tends to unravel and goes downhill with insults and name calling.

blustr/grndmomx2: Yeah, sorry...


A Narcissistic Personality Disorder is not caused by brain injury.

However, I do have liberal (half) brother (I'm so embarrassed!) and we all thought it was because he was not only dropped on his head, but most likely dropped from the attic window. :-)





Cry Babies
Waaaa! Giles is mean...waaaah. There sure are a lot of libs squalling over this column. I still say it's the best one that Giles has ever done.

Republicans vs. Democrats
I too will vote for the fascist Republican over the socialist Democrat because the Supremes have proven that they will accidentally honor their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution more often against the former than they will the latter. I say accidentally because it seems that they truly protect and defend the opinions of dead judges (precedents) and ignore the original "living" document, and far more 5-4 precedents allow socialism than fascism. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

3rd party and fringe types
Like I said, part of it IS guilt by association. Sorry, but that is perception and perception counts in an election.

Guys like Baawa are like all those hippies in the 1960s who bragged that they were being individuals in a world of sheep or conformists.

Except for the fact that all the hippies dressed the same, talked the same, smelled the same, looked the same, and listened the same music, etc., etc. They were conformists within their own group. Or as one writer asked, how many hippie war protestors did you see with a white dress shirt and a Clark Gable haircut?

Yes, regardless of a politician's positions, when I see clustered about him the most misanthropic, antisocial, aloof, and insufferable people...it is a turn off.

The biggest weakness of libertarians or fringe types is not election laws or unfair treatment in debates. It is the individual private members of those movements who bore us in the break areas at work with their pontifications on ideological purity.

Their creepy "bunker mentality". Their belief that only they are manning the ramparts against the horde of orcs outside the walls while the rest of America has fallen asleep in front of the TV.

Indeed, the worst possible salesmen of a ideology that would be a tough sell even with the most charismatic of representatives.

If these are the sorts this stuff appeals to, perhaps this stuff is not for me.

ticabelle: Case in point!

The 3rd post on this thread was by... guess who...knight_of_baawa who posted "Even if it's a fascist running against Hillary, he'll vote for the fascist."

I rest my case!

Hey Vic; Loved your comment

on the other thread last night....

"... after company and crown." LOL



Anne
My sympathies go out to you and your family. I was brought up in inner city Philadelphia by a democratic family. I, too, am an admitted ex-lib. My hopes are some day to start a twelve step program for people like me, recovering libs.
Thankfully, I am surrounded by a loving family of conservatives. They keep me in check.

Say, where did the wailing knight go anyway??

No one trusts either Clinton
That's what the election will come down to if the Dems. nom. Hillary.

She's just been outed again (now two instances) for trying to get people to shill questions for her in Iowa, because she can't speak extemporaneously. She has to be scripted.

What happens when we get hit again by more terrorist attacks and she has to use a military that she and her hubby have always hated? He never learned to salute the Marines correctly who would've given their lives to save his.

Let the Swiftboating begin.

Hillary Saul Alinsky Radical, Marxist Me
From the time she graduated from Yale with a revolutionary "power to the people" revolutionary fist on her back till today, Hillary has been devoted to assuming control of "the Village". She has shown herself to be without scruples, a true Machiavellian Marxist. Her campaign is financed by those enlightened, Platonic, philosopher kings like George Sorros and the wealthy elites in Communist China. In return for a world of Synaritic Socialism, like that described in that famous Fabian Socialist, Aldous Huxley in BRAVE NEW WORLD, we get control and domination of the politicaly correct bureacrats and Jacobin Judges she will appoint. With unbounded megalomania and moniacal planning, she and her cult of personality devotees have assembled millions of dollars in exchange for chartered monopolies , a type of Marxist Mercantilism. It is all about power.
If you are conservative, Christian, or a middle class caucasian male, you can forget your Bill of Rights ( especially the Second Ammendment). We will be relagated to a subservient client state of the UN.. Funded by the reincarnation of Lepidus or Crassus, George Sorros,our republic will resemble a mixture of the Jacobin Directory,the bolshevik Politburo and an SDS convention.

Good morrow, Anne. :-)
I'm sorry but I must take issue with your post of 12:09AM in which you state:

"Take a look at the threads, and you'll find that the posters are civil and polite UNTIL the first troll posts, THEN the thread tends to unravel and goes downhill with insults and name calling."

After all, I myself do not engage in denigrating the babbling baboons on the left, regardless of their stupid and inane provocations. And even if the chatterings of chimpanzees make more sense than anything the leftwing troglodytes are capable of, I refrain, albeit with bursting veins at my temples, from engaging these smarmy simpletons with anything less than the utmost civility.

Why, I ask, in all seriousness, mind you, should I lower myself to the level of these pathetic nitwits whose sole purpose in life, it seems, is to sit in their mother's basement hunched over a computer--no doubt swiped from some store while an accomplice distracted the clerk--hunting and pecking with grimy fingers while scratching themselves and picking their noses and cackling like banshees whenever they manage to spell more than a four letter word properly?

No, I say, no! I will not sink to that level. As a person of good manners and excellent breeding I will steadfastly refuse to engage the pedantic and pompous pap of patronizing left wing pedants. I therefore state unequivocally, that I will concentrate solely on replying to their putrid pap with the wit and charm us on the right side of things are famous for. So screw 'em all.



Hey Doug
For once, this philosophical agnostic agrees with you.

"Y’know . . . I hate to disappoint my Christian voting block brethren, but I’d vote for any of the GOP guys, or their wives, or their chunky step son, or their one eyed three legged dog named Hooch, or their obnoxious aunt Maria (Y’know . . . the one with a mustache) rather than have to watch, listen and live with Hillary in the Whitehouse barking orders down to us serfs."

But don't stop there. Make sure you and your family and your friends and your co-workers get out there and vote for Republican candidates for the Senate, the House, your state's governor (if up for re-election), and state legislators next year.

As we've been reminded during the last two years, a Republican White House is never enough to ensure good, solid governance, especially as we fight the terrorists around the world.

Do these names ring any bells? Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Tom Lantos, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid. Your vote counts all the way down the ballot.

Anne
Yes, company in the form of my semi-lib brother-in-law. But he did not bring his fully lib, life-long Lamocrat wife. LOL, she and I had a very long "conversation" down at Myrtle Beach at the last family reunion. My wife had to step in and order "no more politics".

It took a lot of crown last night.

Why?
Why does Hillary Clinton inspire such loyalty from "the right people". After her disastrous debate performance, the hags on "The View" leapt to her defense, playing the gender card and accusing her opponents of "piling on". Of course, when Hillary capitalizes on her opponent's blunder she is just showing her "shrewd political instincts".

Honestly, she could bomb a Gay Pride Parade as it went past an abortion clinic on Sunday and be applauded for "refusing to be politically correct".

From my 10 year-old-sister
she's mean! she dumped socks! there's proof!

Baawa
"Ok, CC. Since you don't support Ron Paul, you're guilty by association of wanting to murder and torture Iraqis and Iranians as vengeance for 9/11."

I have never made my justification for Iraq using 9/11 as a reason. Not ever. My argument for it is far, far more "legalistic". Legalistic, but not complex.

I'll try to give you the short version. Then I'm going to lunch.

In 1991, the Iraq waged an aggressive war for territory against an ally of the United States in a strategically vital part of the world.

Iraq was then promptly defeated. See, non-interventionism only works if every country in the world adopts it too. That ain't happening.

Saddam's representative then signed a cease-fire agreement with terms that had to abide by in order to suspend hostilities.

Before even that year was out, they had already violated the terms of the cease fire. The spent the next decade violating that cease fire through various means. Not just WMDs, which even Clinton was forced to bomb them over in 1998.

My reasoning is simple. When you violate a cease fire, it means that cease fire no longer exists.

Iraq was on probation. It violated probation numerous times.

That was all the justification I ever needed to resume hostilities and overthrow the illegitimate dictatorship of Saddam.

And that would be my opinion if 9/11 had never happened.

The party of fear?
A common complaint by leftists against conservatives is that the right wing is "the party of fear," that conservative politics are based on fear of change and fear of "enemies" and that right-wingers have nothing positive to offer. In general I think this is an unfair accusation. (I also think left-wingers do plenty of fear-mongering of their own; conservatives will start a nuclear war! Conservatives will take away Social Security and let old people starve in the streets!)

But *this* time it's look like the old charge might be true, that the Republicans may run in 2008 as the "party of fear," with nothing to offer except fear of terrorists and fear of Hillary. Certainly, the GOP doesn't seem to have much in the way of positive principles that it is united behind and will uphold.

For my part, I won't vote that way. Doug Giles can vote for any Republican however obnoxious out of fear of Hillary, but there are at least two Republican front-runners (McCain and Giuliani) I will not vote for just to stop Hillary. And at least one dark horse (Huckabee) who, if he is nominated, I might consider voting for HIllary to stop *him*.

Nitwit of Boohoo
Gee, you really told me, didn't you? I'm still praying for you that you may some day come to God.

Doug Giles "bust a nut" "crapola"?
>Now, speaking as a man who lives in the God
>blessed testosterone fog

Doug, you little tool, figuratively & literally, always compensating for your small personality. You are no man. Hillary is more man Doug Giles ever will be. Or are you a Larry Craig type, Gay old party. Ha-ha so many gay republicans w/ mom issues.


>"I’m sick of seeing that chick. Forget her
>communistic bent, her virulent anti-
>Americanisms and her anti-Christian crapola"

No Doug, U R JUST SICK. Get your MEDS, now! In the name of God & all that’s Holy, Doug get to your therapist. Do you have anything to back-up your: invective, hyperbole , ad hominem, propaganda, rhetoric and demagoguery, rant & rave? Does hate get you through the night?


>"I believe the Clinton's have around 40 plus
>and counting who have mysteriously dropped dead
>around them."

Is that even a sentence? What Paranoia! The Clinton's are the most investigated people on the planet & proof = ZERO. When people like you HATE them, that just recommends them more to me. Clinton gave us budget surplus & booming econ. George BUSH? ha ha, what a disaster.

What about Rudy Giuliani? 6 of his NY & campaign crony appointees are indicted or convicted crooks, liars, adulterers (so is he), tax evaders, drug dealers, mob associates, grand embezzlers and racist: "Being late is Black Time" & “NAACP is national association of retarded people".


>who won’t kill your cat if she doesn’t happen >to like you?

Fox & Friends airs bizarre claim that Hillary ordered hits on the cats by wack-O Kathleen Willey, she says with out any evidence. Willey thinks Clintons where involved in her husbands death and rehashes conspiracy theories about Vince Foster's death in her book she’s selling.

America has had enough of the Neo-Cons. Doug you're a true Neo-Con, but you're no man.

Great Column!
Very funny...scary too, as it is so true.

Check out Paddy's Parodies #3 and #8 for some more humor on Hillary.

Elvis foresaw this moment
Devil in disguise, indeed! I couldn't agree with Doug more. Bill was bad. Hillary would be far, far, far worse. Please, please, please Lord!!! Please don't punish the United States of America with that.

Just another log on the fire
If the cartoon is representative of Hillary...

as a cat lover I would NEVER vote for someone that would do such a thing. Do you think we could get PETA to come out against her????

knight
For such a self-professed intellect, you argue like a child.


Nuf said.

We need to fight Evil
On every front, foreign and domestic. A vote against Hillary accomplishes that, unless we have her run against Hugo Chavez or something.

JMO51
What are you smokin' dude. Hillary has already said in plain language that she intends to do a Hugo Chavez and take over the oil profits for her own programs. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Hillary is about as Moderate as Fidel Castro.

You sacrilegious FOOL
I love how so called conservative humor is mean and hateful and NOT FUNNY. It usually involves LIES. Unlike when "liberals" make fun of conservatives is based on reality and facts not made up wacko paranoid fantasy.

>Please God . . . don’t let it happen! I swear .
>I’ll be good . . . I wont cuss anymore . . .
>I’ll up my tithe. C’mon Yahweh. Show some love.

Use Gods name in vain some more. What a Jerk.


>Having said that, I really don’t want to see
>Bill again unless it’s at an anti-Hillary rally
>after he’s been freshly divorced from Rodham

NICE Family Values. No one cares what you want. The Clinton's have been married for a long times and raised a daughter that did not embarrass them. All the GOP '08 wannabes are all adultery experts. NICE!


>The first Clinton movie sucked, and no one
>wants a sequel. Especially if Hillary’s the
>lead actor.

Are you kidding? It was one of the most successful Presidencies in modern times. And Bill's little indiscretions looks quaint compared to all the shenanigans since: Giuliani, Mark Foley, Larry Craig, Randy "Duke" Cunningham, Dave Vitter.. and not enough room to write about all the GOP adultery and homosexual experts.


>Thatcher or a Rice amongst you to put forth,
>how about a liberal woman who’s pretty and nice
>who won’t kill your cat if she doesn’t happen
>to like you?

Rice? She is like Bush. Her heart is NOT INTO IT. Rice like Bush is counting the days to "Make money with speaker fees" (ironic Gee-Dub will be paid for speaking, for the "Childerns" no doubt). Rice can hardly WAIT to get into a sheltered academic position (in her own words). Real diplomats like Carter, Powell, Baker, Albright & Kissinger remain diplomats all their life. RICE sucks. She is a puppet doing what she is told to do, lie and push failed policies.

Retch your guts out, D McG
because it's gonna happen. =)

To knights_whatever
I AM thinking, unlike you, who is reacting out of emotion. I have not seen any one, two or even three people (except maybe Congress) accumulating and exercising sole power in this country. I haven't seen Bush, Cheney, or anyone else in this administration censoring, oppressing or crushing dissent. The acts that you list above were voted and passed by
Congress, were they not?

See, I don't see any signs of fascism, so I don't understand how you are using the term in your posts. Now, there are some issues I have with GWB and his administration, but the loss of liberty is not one of them, neither is forceful crushing of dissent. Indeed, his detractors or loud and many.

You need to come out of that '60s mentality, troop, and do some REAL THINKING for yourself.

And don't every insinuate that I'm stupid. You don't know me like that.

Anne
Actually,I'd rather talk to Robert.

Vic: Figured it was something like

that! LOL

Sometimes they just wear you out... trying to figure out their "logic", only to find out there is NONE!

By then.... ya just want a nap! Ugh!



Mrs. P: The BEST idea is to NOT talk

to either.

I believe that we've kind of figured that kob should be second on the DNRR List (Do Not Read or Respond) right after roberto roberto.


The only real problem is that your scroll wheel tends to wear out. But "mouses" are cheap these days, and it's better than a headache... LOL






Anne
I guess some are behind the learning curve. I figured out the ignore list a long time ago. I rarely, ever, even bother to read them....

All you have to do as look at number of posts/thread...there you have it!


Hillary, the Evil One
Giles says, Forget her communistic bent, her virulent anti-Americanisms and her anti-Christian crapola. I simply don’t want to see or hear anything more from her ever again."

Why is it so hard for "virulent" right wingers to get past the mid-twentieth century. I mean, c'mon---alleging a "communistic bent" for a mainstream, corporatist Democrat like Hillary? But then I suppose favoring a national health care program (something every other advanced country in the world already has) would be "communistic" for someone like Mr. Giles.

Then there's that term "anti-American." It's a tired term, dragged out to tar anyone who favors political positions more progressive than those of William McKinley. "Anti-Christian crapola"? I suppose that would apply to anyone who doesn't believe the Creation took place in seven literal 24 hour days, all that "junk science to the contrary.

Grow up, Mr. Giles. I don't like Hillary either, but for rational reasons having to do with 21st century realities.

Mrs. P: And btw, where are the

"I 'heart' My Carbon Footprint" bumper sticker??

I keep waiting.. LOL

I suspect the DNRR List will be an ongoing list... So far it has proven to work pretty well.

roberto roberto still posts now and then, but the longer we ignore him, the less and less he seems to post.

We just can't feed the trolls. (Kind of like illegal aliens. You don't give them something to be here for, they won't come into the country.)





johninoregon
I guess we should cut you a little slack for living in one of those 'progressive' states.

There is nothing Progressive about nationalized health care. Do your homework. Sometimes the 'fix' is worse than the disease.

Why is it that you have to use euphamisms like 'progress' when it is antithetical to the foundations our country was built upon?

We are going to 'progress' ourselves right into further socialism. You want socialized medicine, go to Canada or England. England is actually worse as they've been at it longer....

It's a great Ponzi scheme. Just like Social Security which Dems thought was in 'crisis' before, but now Hillary says it is not...no she's too wrapped up with stripping all of our money so she can institute her 'great society' or 'village' or whatever.

The only village she needs to visit is the one that is missing an idiot.


Mrs. P: And, NO WAY are you behind the

learning curve.

You're right on!!! :-)




Mrs. P. This is why it's best just to

ignore psycho knight.... out of the DSM IV.

The Narcissists Personality rarely enter treatment and, once in treatment, progress very slowly.

It's difficult to keep narcissists in treatment long enough for improvement to be made -- and few people have the motivation or the money to pursue treatment that produces so little so late.

Those who have NPD rarely acknowledge that they have any kind of disorder or that they are wrong...

It's the "everybody ELSE is wrong, and I'M the ONLY one who is right......






doggrage: I suspect that you're right

on most points.

My guess is that he's similar to the Oz... big blustering, and threatening, but when the curtain is pulled back, and the smoke clears, he's just a little twerp, about 4ft. tall, wimpy, wimpy, wimpny.






To Anne:
Hmmmm . . .

I'm not going to pretend I've read the MCA and the host of other "liberty-depriving" acts that knights_of_baawa has listed. I simply do not see a dictator lording over us all here in the U.S.

The only threat I DO see is Madam H. Clinton and her Democrat cohorts who are trying to establish a socialist regime in this country and control our lives. I wouldn't call what they are doing "fascism" but it gets pretty close.

doggrage: Actually, excellent call.

The most I "pick up on" with kob's posts are tid-bits that I happen to notice as I'm scrolling by.. or reading someone else's post that makes reference to it's posts.

Other than that... nothing. (Kind of like roberto roberto's posts!)

Anyway, what you posted is absolutely true.

".... trying to establish a socialist regime in this country and control our lives. I wouldn't call what they are doing "fascism" but it gets pretty close."

It get VERY CLOSE! MUCH TOO CLOSE FOR ME!

I came across a quote by Barry Goldwater the other day...

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have."

Well, it's pretty obvious that HELLary's intent is to "give us" such things as health care, which is a p-r-e-t-t-y big step toward Swedish like socialism.







doggrage: and speaking of which….


Here’s a bit of “liberal logic” that I’ve yet to “understand.”

They… the libs… are so excited for the government to take over our health care, which would absolutely give the gov’t full knowledge and CONTROL over our health care…

Yet, they… the libs… go ca-razy over the Patriot Act, (to protect us) and the idea of a Voter Card (to better guarantee that those not eligible to vote actually don’t vote) or even a Nat’l. ID Card, to help protect us from identity theft, etc.

Now, if there is any "logic" in that thought process, I’m not seeing it.



I agree
The dumbest thing that any Republican could do would be to not vote if they don't happen to like that particular candidate. anyone would be better than Hillary with her ties to the Chinese. No one is really investigaing all of the Chinese ties to her. I find them very scary, why are they concerned about our election?

Truth, for once.
"Actually, I don't argue like a child."

True. That would be more maturity than he could muster if he put a week's worth of effort into it. Even on a political article, he tries to inject religion.

Before you engage his babble, remember:

Du bist viel zu gut für solchen Kleinkram.

Anne
That's because libs. want to control you. They are scared to death of a Rep. administration "controlling" when and where they make various sexual assignations, dope deals, and anti-American activities, because those are "civil rights."

But as for as YOU and I are concerned, they're perfectly happy to run our medical lives, use global warming to determine how and when you use energy (drive your car, heat your house), and conscribe our lives as if we were slaves, because THEY KNOW BETTER.

My famous in-law, a world famous politician, thinks the US would be much better as Sweden, except he doesn'r factor that Sweden is barely the size of NYC, runs mostly on water power, and sat out the 2nd World War as an indifferent neutral. Had the US sat out WW II, Sweden, and the rest of Europe would be Germany.



Touj.
I have a few deer heads mounted in my living room and no posters, but I love Uncle Ted’s music! And you guessed it, I will never vote for socialist or globalist no matter what ticket they run on!
People don’t want to face it but, mittary or rudary either one is billary lite. I prefer a Prez that does not flip and flop like a fish out of water. If this means voting for RP on a third party ticket so be it!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

renny: Heck, where would WE be had

we sat out WWII?

Before we entered WWII there were German submarines off the coast of Long Island... and Germans who had actually made it on to Long Island.

The only question would have been, what would the dividing line be... the Rockey Mts. or the Misssissippi River...

But whatever that dividing line was, those to the east would be speaking German, and those to the west would be speaking Japanese.



jetpilot writes:
Real diplomats like Carter, Powell, Baker, Albright & Kissinger remain diplomats all their life. RICE sucks. She is a puppet doing what she is told to do, lie and push failed policies.


You lost me at peanut boy, whipping boy of the Palestinian terrorist!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)


Sorry renny, that was a bit off topic

The point really is, just as you said, the libs are socialists and want to control our lives and everything about our lives.

Mrs. Clinton's very radical mentor was Saul Alinsky, and that alone should strike fear into any freedom loving person.


Now, Osama Obama and Edwards aren't much better... it's the demo philosophy, and that's scary...




But you know, not one lib has ever been able to answer the above question about socialized health care vs the Voters Card and/or the Nat'l. ID Card.

Could it be they just don't have an answer?






Marion writes:
The dumbest thing that any Republican could do would be to not vote

You are right, so if Hunter does not get the Nom, reckon I will vote 3rd party because any would be better than billary, rudary, or mittary IMO

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)



knight_of_baaaawa
If my opinion is that you argue like a child, well, you argue like a child. That's it buddy.

Want a fresh baked chocolate chip cookie??

ANNE writes
"
"They… the libs… are so excited for the government to take over our health care, which would absolutely give the gov’t full knowledge and CONTROL over our health care…"

Yup, thts what scares me too.

These are people who have zero problem with abortion.Who is to say when they decide that an old bat is leaving too large of a carbon footprint?

Doc
"You are right, so if Hunter does not get the Nom, reckon I will vote 3rd party because any would be better than billary, rudary, or mittary IMO"

What "any"? You making a third party vote will not change the outcome of a race between the two candidates. It would be the same as if you stayed home.

"Any" of them would be better, but ONLY if they actually beat "billary, rudary, or mittary". If they cannot beat them, then they aren't worth your driving to the polls and standing in line.

Gas ain't cheap. Why waste it on a loser?

http://www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.html

Take a look at that.

I'm a fairly conservative guy. At least I think so.

Thompson's my first pick at 97%, followed by Romney at 92% and then Hunter and Tancredo both at 88%. Giuliani comes in for me only at 60%.

I leave out the others for brevity.

Hillary comes in for me at 27%.

Now, if Thompson, Romney, Hunter and Tancredo don't get the nomination and Rudy DOES and he is running against Hillary, what do you suppose I'm going to do?

Vote for a guy WHO CAN BEAT HER that I only agree with 60%, or vote a no-win third party and actually help a woman I agree with 27% of the time get elected?

Man, I'm going to crawl over broken glass to vote for that 60%.

We must acknowledge that third party votes are wastes of time AND that 60 is better than 27. Heck, 28 is better than 27!

It is not realistic to lump Romney, Rudy, or Hillary together as being one and the same and no better than each other. That is not the case.

How? Will she make the cat buy mandatory
healthcare insurance? My cat would run off every time she cut loose with that laugh. My dog isn't really impressed with her either...

Citizen Carrier
no my only point being they ALL want my guns and to leave the borders open and according to what i have been been reading:
http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/09/_islamic_terror ists_arrested_a.html
I may need them!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)




Not vote?
I have seen far too many of my fellow conservatives whining and moaning about staying home if they don't get their"perfect" candidate.

What, are you nuts?!( or liberals!?)

News flash people: Jesus is not running for POTUS.

Get up off your crybaby behinds and let the candidates know exactly what you expect from them.

THEN GET OUT AND VOTE!

Anyone who sits home and whines should be fed to a polar bear.


Hey katy: That SHOULD scare us!

"These are people who have zero problem with abortion." NOW they have zero problem with abortion... but what happens when (if) they have control of our health care? Will they then be able to dictate that someone has too many children... (such as in China) and dictate that one must have an abortion?

Or, if some women has a problem pregnancy, withhold care?

Or, demand every pregnant women have an amnio, and if the child is downs, then the child needs to be aborted?

And you're right about the "old" thing! At a certain age, having "used up" a pre-determined amount of health care dollars, "no more?"

Barry Goldwater was right, "A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have."

This is NOT what our founding fathers had in mind... and for those who want this kind of socialism, I strongly suggest that they emmigrate to Canada, Great Britian, or Sweden...

I'll help pack their bags. :-)





What? Come Again? Did I hear right?
Hillary wants to kill your cat?

If that's true, then Rudy wants to kill your dog.

Look up Rudys dearly bolved wife. It is a documented fact that she killed dogs, on stage, for money.

As far as the alleged paranoia about the left wanting to "control everybodys lives" and "tell everyone how to live", let's just look at the party who wants to tell people who they can and cannot marry.

Which party wants to tell people they can't spend their OWN money on things like internet gambling (because gambling makes baby Jesus cry)?

Which party wants to tell people what chemicals (like Marijuana) they can put into THEIR own bodies?

Which party wants to tell individuals that the government has all rights to determine their ultimate demise? Remember Terri Shciavo?

Now...tell me again which party wants to "control everybodys lives" and "tell everyone how to live" and die for that matter.

No Contest!
As far as anyone telling everyone else how to live, the liberals aint got nothin' on the priggish moralists who control the GOP!

Can you say...Christofascism?

GOP=Christofascism

None should be allowed to do that which some have decided makes Baby Jesus cry. That's the GOP party platform.

Anne
I think the idea for the column came from the news article that Hill had Chelsea's cats put to sleep when she went to college.

How much work is a cat?Food,love and scritching.




Is my Ocelot safe?
Mr. Giles, what a wonderful, houmorous, witty, article. It is scary, if the liberal socialist democrats become a majority, we will be losing most of our individual rights, in the name of common good. For them it is all about gaining power, by all means of deception.
Anne, you are very insightful and clever.

budbud
Does that include having to listen to you crybaby all the time about the GOP?

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

katy: Could be, but I thought it was a

reference to one of the things that was done to "intimidate" and "scare" Kathleen Willey, to kill her cat.

That was right around the time that some "guy" accosted her and just happened to "know" her kids' names, etc., and had a pretty scary message for her.


And, her book just came out....."Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton."

I haven't read her book yet, but I did see two or three interviews in the past week.










So typical of the limited, ill informed

liberals...

They have no clue about what's going on, and even less a clue about what the clowntons have done...


Dumber than dirt!









marystella: Thanks. :-) I appreciate it.


But the libs pretty much hate me... LOL

Must have been something... or maybe many things that I've posted. What do you think? :-)


katy: Actually, Kathleen got off easy...

it was her cat and not her or one of her kids.

There are approximately 50 people who weren't so lucky...




Anne
Think you may be right about Willey.Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I'm with Doug, though. Please make them go away!

Evening, Anne, m'dear.
:-)

Funny?
Funny how all the TH conservatives want to say that libs want to control people, yet, none of them addresses the Christofascist agenda of the modern GOP.

Why won't you speak to at least some of the examples of conservative government control I've mentioned above?

Is it because you know you have no leg to stand on?

Is it because you can't deny that your party does indeed do all that it can to control and exert government power and influence over the most intimate aspects of peoples lives?

Remember. None shall be allowed to do that which some have decided makes the Baby Jesus cry. The platform of the GOP.

From NewsBusters...
When Does the Kathleen Willey Book Tour Media Blitz Begin?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/09/when- does-kathleen-willey-book-tour-media-blitz-begin

This is the first poster....

"Noel, I hate to tell ya,
November 9, 2007 - 15:03 ET by Dave R
but if someone were to produce authentic video, shot from twelve different angles (including two close-ups) showing St. Hillary the Hideous setting fire to an occupied orphanage, it wouldn't matter. Not to the liberal MSM. Not to the people who will be voting for her next November.

"At this point, I guess we should just be thankful that Kathleen Willey actually lived to tell the tale.

"Many others were not so fortunate. "






Hey Motley: How ya doin'?
.

Remember?
The majority voted in liberal states to allow medical marijuana and doctor assisted suicide.

The Christofascists of the GOP under W took those states, and those voters to federal court to take away those peoples right to decide how they would live. I thought conservatives were all about respecting the will of the people.

I guess that's only true when the will of the people doesn't make the Baby Jesus cry.

GOP=Christofascists Busy Bodies

Katy; I agree! And the sooner the better
.

I'm doing very well, Anne. Thank you.
I've been contenting myself with reading the posts on this thread, and trying to overcome the lethargy from yesterday's drink-really-good- wine-a-fest. I posted a little humorous comment to you earlier in the day, then crashed for a while. Now I see the troglodytes are out in force, contributing their bargain basement effluvial belchings.

For instance, someone named jetpilot (sound familiar?) posted at 2:17PM: "Hillary is more man Doug Giles ever will be. Or are you a Larry Craig type, Gay old party. Ha-ha so many gay republicans w/ mom issues."

Although I don't know Mr. Giles, I think it can be said Hillary Clingon is certainly more of a man than many of these liberal posters, going by their immature twitterings. Although, as I previously stated, I will no longer stoop to engage the insane chatterings of mongoloid monkeys.

Looks Like
I'll be voting for Hillary this election, listening to you lot...

Either cure the disease or die, dang it.

If Hunter or Tancredo is not the GOP nominee, then I WILL be voting for Hillary. Better a fast, if brutal, death for the nation than a slow, prolonged, DELUDED death.

Here's the choice; Hillary will take the express elevator to deliver us to communist hell, but the GOP "frontrunners" will take the stairs. Longer, slower trip, with the agony prolonged. Or we can elect Hunter or Tancredo and at least TRY to move the escalator in the other direction...

Budbud, GOP != conservative. GOP is a party, conservative is a philosophy. Real conservatives no longer run the party.

Motley: I did see your earlier post...

but then I was out shopping. (There are just some stores I shouldn't go into alone! Yikes!)

Indeed, I have not ever seen a smarmy or rude post from you. Some quite funny... thinking of course your algore posts that have made me laugh at least a few times.

Now, a "drink-really-good- wine-a-fest?" Hummm... Sounds like a good time to me! :-)

But, it's the recovery time the next day. Yes, I understand the "nap" thing. LOL



Anne, you naughty girl you. :-)
To the theme song of the Lone Ranger. CHARGE.

Motley; Yup! :-)
But, it's getting chilly here... need to stay warm.

(You buyin' that one? Ha Ha)

Anne it is a pleasure
Amazingly how liberals know instinctively the inner most thoughts and intentions of dangerous contemptible moral conservatives. We do sound very very scary when we would not compromise or let say diversify our moral standards, therefore, seriously offending them.
I love my ocelot dearly; Serval, named after another wild cat, guess what, only feeds on liberal snakes.
Funny, actually definitively factual, when 10 commandments, in the progressive mind, should be offensively tolerated as 10 possible suggestions.
For now we bear the royal scepter of truth of morality and will not compromise and yes, I will always dearly, sadly and fondly remember Terry,
she was not permitted a drop of water before she died. Who will call this compassion?

knight of baawa
Why are people still arguing with knight of baawa? He's from an extremist atheist hate group. Google his name. He's not here to learn or impart his wisdom, he is here to gain rank within his hate group. He's now a mere "knight," trying to become a "warlord." As I and most of all, the poster Rich D., have mentioned; the stuff on his hate group's forums are so vile, so putrid, that if you google his name it's at your own risk, and I dare not link to it here.

He's only here to gain a fake rank in an outcast club full of angry kids. Pray for him.

marystella: I think your ocelot and

serval are safe, at least as long as you don't "know something" the clowntons don't want you to know. :-)

I can't believe you have a serval. My cousin and her husband have one. (Scares me to death!)

It amazes me, however, that people such as budbud (above) have no real clue about what's at stake..

Flip little punks, quick to mouth off, but certainly very limited.

I'm logging off for the night. See ya tomorrow.


landofconfusion: You're right...

and the twit should be on our DNRR List... (Do Not Read or Respond)

Maybe you and Rich D. should post your kob information on several posts over a period of a few days. Sometimes folks aren't on every thread and can easily miss some info.

Just a thought. But we do need to really encourage our posters to ignore both kob and roberto roberto (and maybe a few more...)



Marystella
No kidding, do you really have a pet ocelot? Who eats only liberal snakes? Our kids used to have a pet boa constrictor. He ate only conservative rats.

Charlie S
Yes, I know about George W Bush and his baseball team. He used Eminent Domain to take the land of farmers because he wanted it for amenities for a ball park. Or is that also a liberal lie? Do you believe that all information from talk radio is the truth and that all information in mainstream newspapers is a lie?

Incidentally, it was Cheney himself who announced that after a diligent search for vice-president he had concluded that he himself was the best-suited candidate.

Oh yes, and there's this: "The Daily Texan" 11-15-2000: "Wyoming law states that a to be a legal resident of Texas a voter must be an actual and physical bona fide resident of Wyoming". Cheney's primary home was in Texas. His last employment was with Halliburton, which is in Dallas TX. All of his tax returns identified him as a Texan. He had a Texas driver's license. And he voted as a Texan in the last eight election cycles". A Florida attorney filed suit against Cheney running because Cheney and Bush, both being legal residents of Texas, could not run as president and vice-president; that was when Cheney quickly transferred his legal residence to Wyoming and registered there as a voter. Charlie S, in response to your post I googled "cheney resident texas wyoming" and got many hits. You might care to read them. You can own property in every state if you want to, but you can be a registered voter in only one state.

Charlie S
Yes, I know about George W Bush and his baseball team. He used Eminent Domain to take the land of farmers because he wanted it for amenities for a ball park. Or is that also a liberal lie? Do you believe that all information from talk radio is the truth and that all information in mainstream newspapers is a lie?

Incidentally, it was Cheney himself who announced that after a diligent search for vice-president he had concluded that he himself was the best-suited candidate.

Oh yes, and there's this: "The Daily Texan" 11-15-2000: "Wyoming law states that a to be a legal resident of Texas a voter must be an actual and physical bona fide resident of Wyoming". Cheney's primary home was in Texas. His last employment was with Halliburton, which is in Dallas TX. All of his tax returns identified him as a Texan. He had a Texas driver's license. And he voted as a Texan in the last eight election cycles". A Florida attorney filed suit against Cheney running because Cheney and Bush, both being legal residents of Texas, could not run as president and vice-president; that was when Cheney quickly transferred his legal residence to Wyoming and registered there as a voter. Charlie S, in response to your post I googled "cheney resident texas wyoming" and got many hits. You might care to read them. You can own property in every state if you want to, but you can be a registered voter in only one state.

lilly
oh look lilly made a funny, better than the tripe she always puts out!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

lilly
P.S. Uncle teddy called, said something about a drink and a little drive, and bring your bathing suit!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

Here are some of the things...
Evil Leftists, fascists, Nazis, and Islamofascists like to do:

1. Mass killings in ovens, then stack the bodies like firewood.

2. Shove prisoners into big hole dug by guards. Pour nasty chemicals into hole. Guards laugh it up while prisoners scream in agony.

3. Cut prisoners' heads off with rusty knives.

4. Murder Jews for being Jews.

5. Torture women and girls for having the nerve to go to school, walk on street without male escort, wearing makeup, etc.

6. Shatter thousands of Jewish businesses, then blame the Jews for the destruction.

7. Fly airplanes into American buildings.

8. Send prisoners to horribly cold work camps with little food and less clothing. Work them to death.

9. Expropriate every bit of property you own, then execute you for being an enemy of the people.

10. Invade countries, not to free people from tyranny, but to impose tyranny.

Q. Which of these things has ANY American EVER done?

A. NONE. WE are a civilized people, unlike the aforementioned Evil Leftists, fascists, Nazis, and Islamofascists.

Most Americans can make...
...obvious ideological distinctions. That's why we won't vote for socialists OR libertarians who regurgitate anti-American Communist propaganda against the use of American power in the world. (You don't believe me on that? Read anything on antiwar.com. Ron Paul gets the same anti-
American power talking points from that site and sites like it that Kucinich gets.)

The Dems are toast. They've drunk the Evil Leftist anti-American Kool-aide. Any reasonably competent Rep political campaign will easily out their evil ways to the voters. And if the RNC won't do it, plenty of private conservative political groups will eagerly open the closet door and shine a big flashlight on the goings-on in there. Check out the latest Youtube.com sampling of Hillary's ravings. They will be put to good use by Reps. in 2008.

What's worse for the Dems than that is the fact that we are actually defeating the terrorist insurgency in Iraq now. Check victorycaucus.com for sweet juicy details. Oh, those Evil Leftists who cheered for our defeat in Iraq will rue the day...very soon now. :)

Oh come on
knight_of_baawa writes: Saturday, November, 10, 2007 7:04 PM
The upshot is
Even if it's a fascist running against Hillary, he'll vote for the fascist.

He said he would vote for the REPUBLICAN candidate, not a racist socialist. Last time I looked the party of racism and socialist was the Democrats, from slavery to the current day. Hillary is a fascist (she is a socialist and a racist), so why would another fascist run against her?

Here's Hillary's war record
This is the person who would be commander in chief.

10/10/02 voted in support of resolution to use force in Iraq

2/22/05 Rejected idea for a date for withdrawal

12/2/05 Says time table would encourage terrorists

6/22/06 Votes ”no” on Kerry amendment to redeploy troops from Iraq

8/7/06 Says she will not take friends’ advice and throw in the towel on Iraq

10/20/06 Advocates troop withdrawal

10/22/06 Regrets the way Bush used force

1/26/07 VoteS to confirm Petraeus

2/