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Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Donald Lambro :: Townhall.com Columnist
The GOP discovers a winning issue - Gitmo
by Donald Lambro
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WASHINGTON -- President Obama's plan to close down the U.S. naval prison at Guantanamo Bay and move some of the most deadly terrorists in the world into the United States isn't going so well. Nervous House Democrats last week deleted his funding request for $81 million to close the prisoner-of-war camp, fearing a public backlash in their states and districts. Moreover, Republican leaders have turned the administration's idea into a lethal political weapon they have begun using against vulnerable House and Senate Democrats in preparations for the 2010 midterm elections.

The decision by Democratic leaders to drop Obama's money request was based on sound reasoning: Obama was closing the prison without a plan on where he would put what everyone agrees are very dangerous terrorists bent on killing as many Americans as they can. The White House is desperately looking for any states that are willing to house the so-called "detainees" in available prison sites, but it's getting few, if any, acceptable takers.

Democrats in droves are turning thumbs down to the idea of putting any of the Gitmo prisoners in their states, or even in the country.

Montana Sen. Max Baucus said "no way, not on my watch," while his Democratic colleague, Sen. Jon Tester, said he is "against any proposal to bring Guantanamo detainees to Montana."

Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska said flatly, "I wouldn't want them, and I wouldn't take them ... I don't see a solution." A member of the Appropriations Committee that must approve the money Obama wants, Nelson said the battle over funding could continue through the summer or longer.

In Virginia, one of the states under consideration to receive some of the prisoners, Democratic Sen. Mark Warner threw cold water on the proposal, saying he was "deeply concerned" about the prospects of moving them to a Marine base in his state near "a very populated area in the greater capital region." Even one of Obama's own Cabinet members fought the idea. Former Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, now his secretary of Health and Human Services, wrote to the Pentagon earlier this year to say she opposed any prisoners being brought into her state.

With a recent Rasmussen poll showing an overwhelming 75 percent of Americans opposed to moving any terrorists into the United States, Republicans are turning the controversy into an incendiary campaign issue against House and Senate Democrats. A typical GOP broadside put out by House Republican leader John Boehner:

"Imagine waking up on a Saturday morning, sitting down for breakfast, and seeing an op-ed in your hometown newspaper where your local congressman lays out the welcome mat for terrorists such as Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and Abu Zubaydah, who personally trained some of the 9/11 hijackers."

That's what Democratic Rep. Jim Moran of Virginia did in a Washington Post op-ed approving of a plan to try the terrorists in a federal courtroom in Alexandria. "I am confident that Alexandrians will stand strong as they always have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their spines," Moran wrote.

That's not what Alexandria's mayor, William Euille, thinks. Two months ago, he said the city just across the Potomac River would be "absolutely opposed" to the idea.

One by one, the National Republican Congressional Committee has been lobbing similar political broadsides at key House Democrats in their districts, challenging them to "take a stand" on the issue. The headline on a typical press release sent into Democratic Rep. Chet Edward's district: "Edwards fails to protect Texans from getting terrorists as neighbors."

Or this release aimed at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords: "Where does Gabby Giffords stand on keeping terrorists out of Arizona?"

House Republicans have also introduced the Keep Terrorists Out of America Act, which forbids moving any of the Guantanamo prisoners into the United States -- adding another pressure point on Democrats hoping to sidestep the issue for as long as possible.

But this issue isn't going away anytime soon, and Republicans are more than happy to keep it going into next year's elections. Obama has put Democrats into an uncomfortable position from which there is no easy exit -- though some Democrats privately talk of keeping Guantanamo open, at least until after next year's elections.

Meantime, Republican leaders continue to pound the president and his party on an issue that is gaining traction and shows signs that it is hurting Democrats.

"The American people want to keep the terrorists at Guantanamo out of their neighborhoods and off the battlefield," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said in a floor speech last week.

"At this point, the only way we can assure them that neither one of these things will occur is for the administration to keep this secure facility open until it develops a sensible plan for the Congress to evaluate," he said.

For now, however, the only sensible plan is to keep this prison facility open and its prisoners far from our shores.

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I got your winning issue:
LIMITED GOVERNMENT!
CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT!

If you want my vote back, it's that simple.

Murtha!
Not only did he say he would take them, but now he has his own $80 million dollar airport to fly them into, all built with your taxpayer dollars!

This is GLORIOUS...
The fossilized dinosaurs of the GOP should stay mute on this point actually.....There would be nothing more glorious than placing these "detainees" (bwhahhahaha) in DEMOCRATIC neighborhoods......

The chickens coming home to roost?.......

NO WHERE
IN AMERICA!

Winning issue?
Lambro claims that "Republicans are more than happy to keep it going into next year's elections." I wouldn't be surprised - this is exactly the kind of stupid issue that republicans tend to harp on.

We have far and away the most extensive prison system in the world. Any thought that these people could escape is ludicrous. People are just not this stupid; not this paranoid. This "issue" should prove easy for Obama to solve.

another phony issue for the repubs
please america deport ppl everyday back to there country ,even if the country does not want them....they are sent back this is republican trickery again to make americans scared....gop stop trying to scare ppl, we are no longer buying your crap...even if there country dont want them send them to where cheney live he created this mess anyway...gop lies again to fool the american public ,it didnt work before and it will not work again...

Hmmmm
This may sound like a strange question....but wouldn't you normally figure out where you were going to stick these guys before you decided on a closing date?

...and Dougie and lloyd, if you can't understand the difference between housing a robber and a Muslim terrorist then you have no business even commenting on this thread. Read a book.

Alexandria, VA....
just a tad-bit close to Washington, DC...


Chinese
I think the Repubs are making a mistake taking this up as an issue. The Chinese group was learning how to go back to China to fight the Communists. When will we ever get the truth...our elected officials continue to talk in sound bites. As for Mitch.....he is going to support another democrat lite....."oh, this is the only way we can get someone elected". Give me a break! Becky

Bringing these animals onto American
soil I believe gives them certain protections that they aren't entitled to, but would be argued by the limp-wristed anti-American ACLU lawyers who defend them.

It would cost millions more because we would have to protect their miserable lives from our home-grown criminals who, although criminals, would in all likeliehood kill them in a heartbeat as they do child molesters if given the chance.

It has also been rumored that bambi wants to close the entire Gitmo Naval base itself and turn it over to the Cuban regime...I hope he isn't THAT stupid, his commie friends would love to have a full-fledged operating base 90 miles from our shores.

icedog
do me favor jump into a lake of fire....you robots swear you know best,thankfully you had eight yrs of failure......... america didnt like it, so you create a phony issue......we are currently housing muslim terroist in america today....is that not a fact icedog??????

Be Afraid
Lloyd: This is Democrat crap, not Republican. Obama's own Attorney General Eric Holder admitted that the administration is considering releasing some of the Gitmo prisoners into the US. It may not happen, but they are considering it. And I am afraid of any administration foolish enough to even consider such an outcome.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN18379487

Dr. Douglas: Yeah, no one ever escapes from American prisons! I only read about 20 such stories a year! But the real problem is the possibility being considered of the outright release of some of the detainees in America (see Reuters link above). If so, they don't have to break out to use some of that terrorist camp training. They can live off the US welfare system while planning their next "man-caused disaster"!

oops!
The president has pandered to the left by closing down gitmo without a plan. Now he has a political problem. Personally I believe moving these killers to a federal prison is a good idea, not nearly as comfortable as gitmo, and the folks there are very unforgiving. The downside is the left would require special treatment for these poor souls who only want the total destruction of every man, woman and child in the U.S. Golly I think this is what is called, a conundrum. We should have questioned them and killed them in the field of battle, just as they do.

Raising the White Towel of Defeat
http://jeannie-ology.com/?p=1665

Boyd, you must be a child
Failure is Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and the CRAs that brought about the mort. crisis and created the on-going credit crunch--they ALL COME FROM DEM. PRES.'S AND DEM. CONGRESSES FROM 1938-1968-1977-1992.

Failure is Carter's high interest, high inflation, high unemployment (none of which has you yet seen in the double digits) at 10% and higher from 1976 to 1982, when Reagan cured them.

Failure is the dot-com collapse of 1998-2000 under Clinton when $15 trillion in equity vanished out of the ec. and Clinton boasts at the time he had a surplus--BECAUSE HE HAD A REP. CONG.

Bush gave the nation 5 years of 4.36 unemployment (lowest since WW II), 15000 DOW, 0% interest rates and near 0% inflation, and also freed 50,000,000 from Islamic tyranny at the same time.

The ec. tanked AFTER the 2006 election of the idiot Dems., who gave us all of the above to ruin the ec. over many decades.

Now, your king elect, has concocted more debt and deficit than Bush or any other Reps. ever created altogether since the beginning of time.

Stop reading talking points and learn some real history.

Tester and Baucus have gone soft
Send the detainees out here to Montana. We'll man up and keep the rest of America safe. And we'll do it without violating the Constitution or human rights. We're civilized that way.

Dr. Douglas
"Republicans are more than happy to keep it going into next year's elections." "I wouldn't be surprised - this is exactly the kind of stupid issue that republicans tend to harp on."

I am always amazed that folks don't can't see they live in a glass house. Doc, do you actully think your statement does not apply to democrats Its called politics...

I am always amazed folks don't can't see they live in a glass house. Doc, do you actually think your statement does not apply to democrats it’s called politics...

Oh, and by the way, the last president had it figured out. Put 'em on an island, keep them away from the population, and get as much information about their intentions as possible. Rather simple actually.

ok,ok
icedog,where are u??????redwhite&blue how do you know President Obama is planning to release gitmo prisoners into the usa, did he tell you this?????secondly who is your source rush,hannity,mark who?????renny you wouldnt know failure if it hit you in the face...next collapse under clinton??????then its surplus because of republicans...thinking like yours is a failure....because someone say it doesnt mean its true....read a book stop listening to hate radio.

How this will ultimately play out
Look, I'm a card-carrying Republican that would like nothing better than Obama to have to twist in the wind over his Gitmo promise but let's get real.

When has Obama ever said anything that he didn't do a complete 180 on within six months!?!?

The problem is that when Obama does it instead of being lambasted for being a poll-driven, simplistic clown with absolutely no real plan for anything other than consolidating power at the federal level- he is lauded for being pragmatic and that he possesses a quality rarely found in leaders that he is willing and able to see all sides of difficult issues and possibly "refine" (read: reverse...flip flop, etc) his original opinion on said issue.

Obama will reverse his Gitmo closing within one year pledge in July if not sooner. Within 30 days, there will be no mention of or official record that Gitmo was even being considered for closure.

On the one hand, it will be a victory because the terrorists will stay in Cuba and this vehement opposition to Gitmo will be exposed for what it always was- vehement opposition to George W. but as far as the Repubs using this to their advantage for the 2010 election cycle- not a chance.

Sorry, just my take on it

No, Lloyd, the Big O did not
say what he will do with Gitmo detainees, but the PROBLEM, which the AG has addressed and many politicos and even the idiot MSM (so how come you don't know this is a PROBLEM?) is what the Big King O Elect is going to do when those 100 hard-core Gitmo grads who cannot be returned to their homelands are going to go when Gitmo is closed.

The King Elect O is not all that smart. He's already nominated 5 sec.'s who had tax problems, his new car czar just withdrew his nomination, he is now tied by the tail to the tanking auto industry, and walked into a window because he didn't know where the door was in the White House press office.

Now, he has a policy he cannot implement.

Although, Lloyd, I'm sure you and your neighbors would love to have the leftover terrorists move next door, or how about into the attic at your place?

As a Big O supporter and wonderful patriot, you would want to step up and answer this question for the Justice Dept. and save King O a lot of face.

Allen
"Send the detainees out here to Montana. We'll man up and keep the rest of America safe. And we'll do it without violating the Constitution or human rights. We're civilized that way"

Spoken like the armchair, keyboard hero that you are. How so very noble of you to invite these jackals into your state. It's all about Allen feeling good about himself, the heck with the safety of your fellow citizens and neighbors. Try to think bigger than yourself for a change. I also doubt you speak for any but a small handful of them.

Hey lloyd!
It doesn't matter if the Prez said it nor not, when stuff like this is in the news:

"Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., says he'd be willing to house prisoners from Guantanamo Bay in his congressional district if President Obama makes good on a plan to close the U.S. prison there."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/21/murtha-says-hell -guantanamo-prisoners-district/"

You can't put the Genie back in the bottle.

Put them where they belong:
In Sen. Arlen Specter's state.

Close Gitmo Now
Try the terrorists by military tribunal, find them guilty of bein non-uniformed enemy combatants without national affiliation and execute them by firing squad. It's all perfectly legal under international law.

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Gitmo solution
I say we split the prisoners up amnong the sanctuary cities.Starting with San Francisco.Do I hear an amen?

jax33
I could support your idea to dump them into San Fransicko...as long as we build a wall around the city to keep everyone in.

Muslims just love homosexuals! ....the gays can learn what "unfair treatment" actually means.

Odumbo's plan
is to make the 245 terrorists in Gitmo the officers in his domestic Gestapo, with milllions of Mexican illegal alien criminals the foot soldiers.

Dr. Dougie
Portland, Eugene, or Salem, it is then. Thanks buddy.

Actually, I think there are mothballed aircraft carriers in Oregon. Float them out about two hundred miles and leave the prisoners up to their own devices how to survive. Seems more humane then slowly cutting off heads, their favorite pastime, when not getting fat in Gitmo.

Load them all
into a drone airplane and fly it into the ocean. The appropriate from liberals would be, "oops".

RINO specter switched from Republican to democ-rat. Could we get Murtha to switch from PA house rep to CA house rep?

Don #29
how about making that a submerged submarine?

Icedog
Right we wouldn't want the citizens of San Fran. out and running loose.

renny
what a sad sob you are..sorry, i dont feel you pain.i am willing to knock obama,but not for know reason and not after the mess President Obama been left with..

It's Ironic
That all the dems that want the detainees brought to the U.S. all say not in my backyard!! They can talk the talk but can't walk the walk!!!! You want to close Gitmo and don't know what to do? C-4 does a real good job!! OOPS! I forgot the detainees! Oh well.......

One Winning Issue Amongst Many..
It should now be obvious that the maligned George Bush and
his administration thought this through very carefully before it opened Gitmo. It should now
be even more obvious that The self-righteous Democrats, who for eight years, had their cognition firmly rooted in the thing air of shallow logic,and polling politics,did not.

I got a plan for this moron
"Obama was closing the prison without a plan on where he would put what everyone agrees are very dangerous terrorists bent on killing as many Americans as they can"

How about they move in with him and Jeremiah Wright.
How about they move in with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

How about they move in with William Ayers, they are just like him anyway

dr. douglas
Sure, put them in genpop in our prisons, where they can recruit right alongside the gangs and other miscreants. We know how well we have stopped that. Give them trials in our courts and provide them lawyers, at taxpayer expense, so they can drag things out for years, not to mention the logistical nightmare of having to transport them back and forth between prisons and courthouses. Now, if we could put you with them on some island in the middle of an ocean, surrounded by sharks, and let all of you govern and fend for yourselves, I'd be all for it.

They can't be tried here.
These guys have been rotting in Gitmo for years because they cannot be tried - at least not in a civilian court.

We know they're guilty because we caught them shooting at our soldiers, or working for known terrorists or whatever. But that kind of evidence will not stand in our civilian courts.

Military tribunals, of course, are a different matter.

Mr. Lambro
Good column. The left has pounded us on GITMO, and now does not know what to do with them. Here is a idea pres."one"; They are not solders, and as such do not fall under the laws of war. They are not peaceful citizens, again not covered. They are murderers of inocent civilions, commit acts of terrorism, a war crime, against civilions. We should treat them like enemmy spis, line them agenst a wall and shoot them. If you need volenters, My name is
Kirk

Once again Liberals are wrong.

Just another issue where Liberals are wrong.


Useful
Are you from the illiterate part of PA? The whole point of this article is that members of both parties agree that we shouldn't move GITMO detainees to the US.

The Plan
First, it is important to note that originally there WAS NO PLAN. This just cannot be overstated.
Second, some 'red state' will probably end up identified as the 'optimum' place to house these guys, and they'll be bribed or blackmailed into doing it.

Just like the libs love renewable energy until the turbines would be visible from their beach resorts (Kennedy), so they love closing Gitmo, until the detainees might come to their states (Murtha).

In all cases, the lib solution is to dump the problem on conservative regions.

icedog
".and Dougie and lloyd, if you can't understand the difference between housing a robber and a Muslim terrorist "

Hey, icedog, apparently you believe that Muslim terrorists have some special ability to pass through steel doors and concrete walls 12 feet thick.

Is it a religious thing?

Where to Put detainees
How about Massachusetts where they can see the wind generators out in the bay.

Tail
"In all cases, the lib solution is to dump the problem on conservative regions. "

If you guys were any less paranoid, you wouldn't be so much fun to make fun of.

Hardly
It is not a winning issue. It won't win them anything.

The terrorizers can spend some quality time in a Supermax near you. What do you have to say about that?

What to do with detainees at gimo
the government could revive the desert detention center that FDR used to detain honest Japanese Americans in the Arizona desert and put whatever detainees are left there under the same rules that FDR used to detain real American people.

SSG R ????

Actually Maryland is having problems with its Liberal education system.

However, most normal people in both parties believe Gitmo should remain open. Only Liberals think Gitmo should be closed with out any plan as to where the detainees should go.

That is the historical record. That is the facts. Sorry if MSNBC didn't tell you.


To one day of life
Happy I could entertin you!

If liberals were any less hypocritical, we'd all have better prospects.

On an unrelated note, I see that Pres. Obama has now reversed himself, and wants to suppress photos of detainee abuse. Funny, seeing how suppressing such things USED to be against lib-Dem principles.

George
There were some in Arizona...Poston, Gila River, but the worst of them all was Tule Lake in California near the Oregon border.

Don:

Why not let them loose on Midway or Howland...no one lives there.

Hey!! What are you gonna do about it?
I called all of my reps and senators and let them have an earful on this freaking Gitmo plan!! Writing here on TH is not only your only option!!

The man in the oval office is incompetent. Sorry, but that's the way it is. If interested in being on an American Grand Jury and delivering an indictment to a judge in your area re:Traitor Obama, see this website:

http://americangrandjury.org

This AGJ is the 4th branch of the government available ( and NOT guided by lawyers!!) to common citizens allowing us to have redress under the constitution. With no one actually listening to us and no Scotus to support us, our founding fathers gave us this means to overcome the tyranny of big government crimes and the power of corruption. See for yourself.

Gitmo terrorists
Our senior senator from Illinois, Dick Durbin, offered to take them here. He said this on the Don Wade and Roma show on WLS radio in Chicago a few days ago. Durbin said that Marion used to be a high security prison, so why not send them there? No doubt he is angling for a huge pork project to pay for a new wing on the prison or something.

Not a winning issue for me
I have to admit Donald Lambro may be right in suggesting the Republican party may have a winning issue in the Guantanamo detainees... even though the GOP will have to resort to demagoguery and exaggerated fearmongering in order to exploit it. I think an important civil liberties issue is involved, with implications far beyond what happens with these few hundred individuals. But civil liberties are not usually a big vote getter; nobody won elective office by protesting against the WWII internment of Japanese-Americans, which was highly popular at the time, though it is now generally realized to have been wrong.

However, for what it's worth, the Repubilcans will not win *my* vote back (and yes, I did used to vote Republican, and still have no great liking for the Democrats) by promising to continue holding people indefinitely in a prison with no clearly established legal rights and no legal recourse for proving innocence or guilt.

Right-wingers (of which I am one, in my own way) really need to think twice before going along with "Anyone the U.S. government says is a terrorist, IS a terrorist-- we don't need any stinkin' proof-- and the government can do anything it wants to anyone it says is a terrorist." Remember that Napolitano report calling American right-wingers potential domestic terrorists? Imagine what could happen, especially if there is an act of terrorism traceable to some fringe right-wing adherent? You and I might find ourselves subject to the same kind of treatment, from indefinite detention to waterboarding and worse, that some of us think is just fine for those awful Muslims.

One day of life
With the record of the bleeding heart liberals in the penal system I'd be more worried that they would be paroled than them walking through steel and concrete!!

WRH Bill
Writes: Republican party may have a winning issue in the Guantanamo detainees... even though the GOP will have to resort to demagoguery and exaggerated fearmongering in order to exploit it.

And then closes his comment by surmising that "us right wingers" might be waterboarded if a terrorist attack occurred that could be traced to a fringe right wing group.

Doesn't that sound like exaggerated fearmongering!?!?

Hey WRH, the truth is that the people in Gitmo were captured in Afghanistan yet none of them are Afghani?!?! Why is that? Were they there to vacation? Enjoy the sights? No, more likely they were they to learn how to kill Westerners, specifically Americans.

They don't have any rights under any international law because they are not members of any internationally recognized army- that's why they are called terrorists. "We right wingers" are American citizens on American soil and have all the rights granted to us by the Constitution...at least until Obama can sic enough lawyers on it to take that away, too.

The real bogey is that we will never know the recidivism rates for the folks already released from Gitmo because it's a political loser for both parties. What we do know is that the estimates run as high as 35 or so have returned to jihad- and those were the ones we thought were ok. Imagine the kind of person that is still there.

WRH to Eastlake Joe
Joe, you accuse me of doing my own "exaggerated feamongering" because I suggest the possibility of the no-rights-for-terrorists attitude backfiring against right-wingers if there is a perceived right-wing terrorist threat. You might be right. In fact, for obvious reasons, I *hope* you're right. But I wouldn't be quite so cocksure about it, if I were you.

Do you really think that being "American citizens on American soil" is guaranteed to protect right-wingers (and again,I include myself in that category) in the event of something like McVeigh/Oklahoma City or worse? Being American citizens didn't protect native born Japanese-Americans in WWII. Going back farther, being American citizens didn't protect many people who were persecuted for dissenting opinions (by a "liberal, progressive" administration of Woodrow Wilson) during World War I. Maybe, as you suggest, the liberal, progressive Pres. Obama will try to take our rights away regardless. But I don't think we should set precedents for him and expose ourselves to charges of hypocrisy if we object.

Organized Crime Controls the Prisons
Organized crime is almost by definition a monster with a thousand tentacles. Certainly this is true of Radical Islam.

We all believe that the Warden and the guards control the prison.
That might be true if all of the criminals in a particular organization are in prison. But they are not.

So when the important imprisoned members of a criminal syndicate need a cell phone or a change of cells what do they do. They simply instruct their (outside the prison gang members) to threaten the guards and the guards families. Its easy just deliver a picture of the guards seven year old daughter going up the steps to piano lessons. Maybe draw a target around the picture. Radical Islam can easily and believably do these things.

They can also threaten file clerk's and prosecutors, and investigator's families. So files disappear, witnesses are not interviewed and charges dropped with little or no explanation.

Radical Islam just has one little problem at Gitmo. The problem is that these vicious criminals don't know who the guards, file clerks, investigators, and prosecutors are. On an isolated preserve there is no way to find out. Take these criminals stateside and finding out will be very easy.

Its going to be a totally different ball game. The Iraqi and Afghani chickens will now indeed be coming home to roost.

WRH Bill
I think you are pointing at the wrong person. I haven't said anything to you at all. I think the person you want is Scott.I'm just sayin'.

lambro
It is going to take a whole lot more than Gitmo
before the GOP actually has an issue that can
win them a vote or two.

And If Not
No, it's about being a responsible citizen, not a bloody coward.


Allen
Would you happen to live in Hardin? Evidently there's an empty prison there, and the people will be happy to take the detainess.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1896743,00 .html

WRHBill: You're absolutely right. There are handful of people who blow up abortion clinics and shoot doctors. They're certainly terrorists. A clever lawyer could probably link them to a large section of the pro-life movement and start rounding people up. Do conservatives really want Obama to be able to do this?

Apology to Eastlake Joe
"I think you are pointing at the wrong person. I haven't said anything to you at all. I think the person you want is Scott.I'm just sayin'. "

You're right. The post I was responding to was from Scott, not you. Sorry about that.
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