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Friday, March 27, 2009
Donald Lambro :: Townhall.com Columnist
Choking on Hypocritical "Green" Legislation
by Donald Lambro
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WASHINGTON -- President Obama's anti-oil cap-and-trade legislation that will effectively levy a carbon-emissions tax on businesses and on all Americans will likely be one of the first casualties of his liberal agenda.

But its Republican opponents won't kill it. A growing army of Democratic lawmakers, largely from the Midwest where that segment of the economy is heavily dependent on coal-fired power plants and factories, are turning against it -- perhaps enough to prevent his climate-change plan from even reaching a vote in Congress.

"It is gradually dawning on Washington that cap-and-trade legislation won't pass anytime soon -- certainly not this year, and probably not next year either," writes William Galston, former chief domestic policy adviser in the Clinton White House.

No region of the country has been hit harder in this recession than the Midwest, and cap-and-trade would deal it a second body blow. "It is hard to imagine Midwest Democrats voting for cap-and-trade in current economic circumstances, and perhaps not in any economic circumstances," Galston wrote on The New Republic's Web site last week.

Recent polls show that Americans are now much more willing to put environmental initiatives on the back burner if they would undermine or impede economic growth.

For the first time in the Gallup Poll's history of asking Americans "about the trade-off between environmental protection and economic growth, a (51 percent) majority of Americans say economic growth should be given priority, even if the environment suffers to some extent," the polling organization reported last week.

The controversial cap-and-trade system for auctioning permits to emit greenhouse gases was spawned by the global-warming movement to impose draconian, government-mandated costs on the use of fossil fuels to pay for research into alternative-energy technology.

The administration is counting on the $629 billion in revenues from cap-and-trade to not only pay for this research that is years in the making but also to pay for Obama's middle-class tax cuts after 2010.

Supporters still insist that the cap-and-trade system is not a tax cut but a pricing mechanism for emission permits -- don't believe it. This is how Rep. John B. Larson of Connecticut, House Democratic Caucus chairman, put it during a Ways and Means Trade subcommittee hearing last week on the climate-change legislation:

"We're going to be paying taxes -- higher taxes -- one way or the other. Is there anyone on the panel that would disagree that this issue, if we're to combat it forthrightly and level with the American people, that this doesn't concern taxation? I think it's a matter of leveling with the American people and getting beyond the nonsense. This is about taxing, and this is going to be about stepping up to the plate."

The environmental lobby is in full control of administration energy policy, and, from the beginning, its agenda has been aimed at bringing down the oil and coal industries through increased regulations and taxes. Obama's $4 trillion budget is filled with anti-fossil-fuel provisions that will weaken our economy, drive up energy costs and kill high-paying jobs these industries create -- making us more dependent on foreign oil.

The $629 billion that its cap-and-trade scheme will raise over 10 years "will crush American competitiveness by penalizing all companies that emit carbon as a byproduct of manufacturing. Every family in America will pay this, on average, $100 billion tax every year in higher energy prices," says Americans for Tax Reform.

When the price of regular gas hit $4 a gallon last year, there were calls for lifting the restrictions on further exploration and drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, and the Bush administration complied. But the Obama gang killed that initiative as soon as they took over.

Worse, they used the budget to tax 25 percent of all oil production and 15 percent of all natural-gas production in the Gulf that will drive up gas prices at the pump and eventually reduce jobs in the Gulf states during a time of rising unemployment.

Typically, though, the Democratic leaders running Congress are not willing to abide by the same environmental costs and mandates they want to impose on the rest of us.

Last month, the House of Representatives dropped its plan to make its offices "carbon neutral," breaking their solemn promise to cut greenhouse emissions to zero under its Green the Capitol program.

And today, the Capitol Power Plant's smokestacks, located a few blocks from the Capitol, are still belching out filthy pollutants from the 35 percent of coal it burns to heat the House offices and chambers. It accounts for the largest single source of air pollutants in the District of Columbia.

We now live under Nancy Pelosi's arrogant autocratic rule that tells us: "Do as we say, not as we do."

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After you read this commentary

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbo oker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-to ld.html

Why should I sit by and watch the government pass the
Breathing and Exhaling the Air Tax?

This is simply out of hand and it had better stop soon.

Happy Now?

Let's Put Congress in Charge!
It should be evident by now that Congress is NOT ready to regulate the Weather.. This Cap/Trade is worse than any Ponzi Scheme!
As to "Electric Cars".. A Friend of the Family was a member of Univ. Mich's engineering Kids who built a Solar Powered, or maybe Battery, Car a few years ago and drove it from Mich to the West Coast..The Technology EXISTS..I've seen WAG"s on Costs of Storage Batteries up to 16K; U BUY THE CAR and RENT the Battery..Now that is a solution I CAN LIVE WITH!!

The real cost
is $2,000.00 to $3,000.00 per year per household, and GRover Norquist pointed it out on c-span.
I guess the republicans will have to the math in REAL TERMS that idiots can understand.
Telling people it will for them to pay $500 more for heating and colling per year and another $2,000 more for gasoline every year just might drive the point home.
I hope the bloviating pinheads on capitol hill can figure out if they tell the people how much money they will pay for gasoline and heating and air conditioning - you know by the absolute vast majority of people who don't have anywhere near three grand extra laying around to send to DC, that's like 90% of the nation, all whom it will cost, maybe the turds can drove the point home before it's too late.
Hoping a poll saves them and us is really stupid.
Get Grover Norquist to tell you doofs how to present the massive gasoline and heating and air conditioning cost bye like SCREAMING THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FOR EVERYONE!
DUH !
This isn't "the grandchildren" paying DUMMIES.

Sgt Relic
Good points on SO2, but I don't think that cap-and-trade was responsible for this country hemorrhaging manufacturing jobs and becoming a service-based economy. We've been losing manufacturing for decades. I'd argue that it's our free trade policies, specifically our lack of protective tariffs on imports, that effectively forces domestic manufacturing overseas. Nearly every other country on earth uses some kind of tariff to assure that domestic production isn't totally undercut by foreign exports. How can domestic manufacturers compete with cheap labor overseas? At the very least, the institution of some kind of cap-and-trade scheme on an international scale would help level the playing field; Chinese manufacturers would finally be subject to some of the regulation that US companies are, raising the cost of manufacturing abroad. Regardless of whether or not CO2 is a pollutant, it may become a little harder for manufacturing to flee overseas.

Sandy
No,He's Black trying to control us like MUGABEE!

TRASH DUMPS-LANDFILLS
You talk about hypocrites;look at all the land that is full of trash cause they don't want to burn it.New York dumps theirs at sea?What we have is a small segment of the population controlling everything we do!Green -
earth day? Hogwash!!

VOLCANO
What are these fruitcakes going to do when two volcano's erupt? PLUG THEM!

Earth Hour 2009
Don't forget tonight is Earth Hour.

In honor of this pagan ritual, remember to turn ON every light in your house. Go outside and turn on your mower, your car, your chain saw, and your lawn sprinklers. Build a fire in your fireplace, your backyard, or city hall will do. WOOT!

String some Christmas lights too!

Turn on your television, and every appliance; do everything you can to put a light on the Ringling Brothers most recent attempt to find out how many suckers were born this decade.

Light 'em up!

Happy Now?

randy
Cap and trade had little to do with acid rain reduction. SO2 is a localized pollutant. Cap and trade reduced SO2 by causing manufacturing to shutdown or go overseas creating the rust belt. But hey! It reduced acid rain, right?

So-called polluters, also known as power plants, will raise your rates to pay for carbon credits. I will get your money because I own trees. I will get a tax break, you won't.

Are we having fun now?

Here's a clue; only individuals pay taxes everyone else passes them along or goes out of business.

Try thinking cap and trade through using that rule and you will understand why cap and trade always fails.

Barry Obamalama....................




.........WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.

There needs to be a huge House and Senate shake up in 2010 to keep this socialist in check.

Get over yourselves
Did cap-and-trade policies, that were instituted by Reagan and Bush, cripple our economy? No, and SO2 emissions were drastically reduced, effectively mitigating the acid rain problem that reached epidemic levels by the early 80's. Cap-and-trade is not some draconian ploy to crush industry- it's the only viable means of letting the market help solve pollution issues that we're all dealing with now. The problem is that under the current scheme, polluters don't have to foot the bill for their emissions. We, the taxpayers, end up paying for it down the line, with increased health expenses and clean-up costs. Look at this problem realistically, not through your myopic, McCarthyist bravado.

Joey
"Why cannot we drill there (the Gulf of Mexico) for our own oil?"

Um, aren't we doing that already? Or are all those oil platforms out there just for decoration?

Tom

Please don't confuse the issue with facts. The "global citizens" are grasping at anything real or imagined to sell the sheeple the idea we need a omnipotent global government. Google agenda 21 for details.

I suppose they figure they can get a cushie UN job controlling the rest of us.

The idea of liberty is so yesterday dontcha know.

Exactly Tom
Green agenda does not make sense.

Remember the Open Space the greens wanted.

Where are the wind generators going? They are in efficient, only 33% energy they produce is used each has to be maintained individually.

They ignore 1100 scientists who say it is bogus.

General Electric and other industries are lobbying Congress in support but are not considered profiteers.

Electric Cars?
Along with cap & trade, another aspect of the green movement is to require car manufacturers to produce electric cars. Has anyone really thought out the possible consequences?

I don't know, but assume that such cars would take a heavy duty electric plug in order to adequately charge up a car to run for a decent amount of time.
1. How does the cost of using that much electricity compare to filling the tank with gas?
2. Will we have brown outs or black outs from so many millions of vehicles adding usage to the power grid?
3. What happens when there are fewer gas stations, because we don't need them because we are using battery power, and there is a community wide power failure from a storm or something?
4. How can any rational person consider requiring electric cars, while at the same time phasing out our most economical and reliable source - coal - as a means of producing electricity? Wind and especially solar are good ideas, but are not likely to work on a large scale any time soon.

Can anyone answer my questions?

old progrmr
Please let it be so. But will it be anger or disappointment in having fallen for it and therefor resignation to whatever the government does.

I am not so hopefull because the government knew the banking crisis was coming. The government seemed to facilitate the break down of the system by pushing Freddie and Fannie and the commoditees legislation of 2000. Still the people are allowing the government to grow. Not a good sign if hoping for anger.

Slow to Anger
The American people are slow to anger. They are historically slow to respond to threats, either internal or external. Just think of WWII, that was when a Japanese Admiral said, " I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant". He was prophetic.

It is the same with the Global Warming and Climate Change fraud being perpetrated on the enire World Community. Few people are concerned with the un reasonable, economically destructive ideas of the radical Eco-Freaks. But, when the public begins to see the job losses, the increased prices, the declining life styles and personal hardships from these stupid programs, there will be an overwhelming revolution against the "Green Fanatics". It will, indeed, be war.

The backlash will be supported, not only by the negative impact of these programs, but by the rapidly growing cadre of scientists and experts who are accumulating the facts refuting the entire Climate Change fiasco. If you notice, Al Gore is gradually being marginalized as we speak. However, real resistance to these kooks will not be evident until the general public begins to suffer, and suffer we surely will.

The oceans are not rising folks and the polar bears are not drowning! No credible statistics support global warming. In fact, there is Climate Change, and the true data predict future global cooling trends as compared to 20th Century values. In fact we may soon be concerned about declining sea levels.

Also, hopefully Obama cannot implement too many of these idiotic prpograms in his one term Presidency. Of course, he can certainly severely damage the economy in his brief four year reign. even ACORN will not secure his second term.

Big Allen,
Sometime in the very near future, China, Venezuela and Mexico are gonna drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico. They know there are huge reserves there. Why cannot we drill there for our own oil? E-N-V-I-R-O-N-M-E-N-T-A-L-I-S-T-S. Do you see any so-called Americans attacking the Chinese government and writing letters to the Chinese government urging them to stop? Nope. It's just communists here in our own country who protest, sue, pass regulations, laws, and do every single thing they can to stop us from being oil INdependent. And it works perfectly. So what do we do?

Could we please have a Green
Please explain why you want to believe that they can predict in twenty or thirty years that it will be warmer using computer modeling but they can not tell us what next year will hold.

What if there are several volcanic eruptions? If they put tons of co2 and acids into the atmosphere would it get colder or warmer?

Allen...
Do you remember, about 4-5 months ago, when Nancy Pelosi(democrat) and Newt Gingrich(republican) did a "GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE. WE MUST ACT NOW!" commercial together? They're all full of crap, Allen. It's government! They want to rule you.

Sorry had to go with it
Had Parker read my first post he may not have led off with a statement about eliminating people being something to be realisticly suggested.

I took the bait

The fact the government is suggesting that there should be integrated system to regulate how people use energy should be scary to the American public.

The fact that the government does not set specific targets and offer realistic solutions is scary. Does anyone believe that wind generation, which wipes out the idea of open space, is not efficient and unreliable deserve the monies they mean to spend on it.

What policy has the administration announced that will free us from the yoke of foriegn oil? Or Does Obama mean to continue the subsidization?

Attack the solutions leave the name calling to the left.

Allen, I can't tell
if you're serious or spoofing. Your posts are inconsistent in their tone.

Parker, Robert, Roland, tgwWhale, and Daniel - Thanks for your common-sense posts and defense of science vs leftist ideology. It's almost scary how many otherwise intelligent people have drunk this kool-aid of AGW.

Ron
WTF? Do you have wet dreams about this kind of stuff?

Don't believe your eyes
That snow out there that's just whether. Those guys trapped in the Artic because of severe cold while on an expedition to measure the decreasing ice. That's just whether. The climate will kill you if we do not do something right now?

But it is only the right who will use fear to get voters to the pols.

Dumbo's plan
In January 2009, The Obamessiah became President of the United States. HIS first action in office was to destroy all nuclear weapons; the second to eliminate all fossil fuel sources. Behold, nuclear weapons and fossil fuels no longer existed on Earth.
Behold, the planet was covered with solar-panel fields, and windmill forests, which don’t produce electricity when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow.

After ten years, there was only peace and harmony on the planet, because, for five years, the noises and vibrations from the windmills drove many people to suicide, and the solar panels killed most food plants. The 2014 Ice Age froze the people who hadn’t starved, because there wasn’t any heat for their homes, and destroyed the windmills and solar-panels. Everybody died except for The Obamessiah, Algore, and 12 other liberals living in the hydroponic garden in the bunker below Mount Rushmore.

One day, the Mount Palomar Observatory said that “The Asteroid”, an outer space rock the size of The Alps, was on a collision course with Earth, as a 2008 NOVA documentary warned.

One liberal got out the file on “The Asteroid” to find out what to do. The instructions were to launch six, 20-megaton nuclear missiles and land them on “The Asteroid”, and then detonate them one-by-one, three seconds apart. The phased explosions should divert “The Asteroid” from hitting Earth.

Then one liberal said, “We can’t do this! HE beholded the missiles and fuel out of existence! We don’t have missiles to launch and fuel to launch them.”

Then they said, “HE can behold “The Asteroid” not to hit the earth.”

After telling HIM about “The Asteroid”, the liberals realized that HE was actually the Twelfth Imam, THE ONE that, back in 2007, Muslim terrorists said would destroy the world in two years. Two years after 2007, was when The Obamessiah “beholded” the missiles and fuel out of existence.

TTAPS
It has always mystified me why the global-warming crowd does not advocate the detonation of hydrogen bombs to bring about a nuclear autumn.

Final solution
Why Parker is the administration expanding the war in Afganistan?

Why is the administration allowing for the starvation in Africa?

It is part of the plan. Wars kill people.

Government takes control of thermostats in the heat of summer or cold of winter old people die.

Hey Allen...
Since you really, really believe that it's the people that are endangering the planet, perhaps the real solution to this 'problem' is eliminating the people?

Why waste time trying to alter the way people think. Just eliminate the problem once and for all. You know-The final solution.

The only problem you will have is you might not get to be one of the people who decides who gets eliminated and who doesn't.
So-Do your duty to the earth and just drop dead.

Or-Wake up you dolt. This is not about anything but power and control.

Here's a scientific fact that is real science that is well settled:
The SUN is what heats the earth and COOLS the earth.

Do some research on sun spot activity and you will find a direct correlation with increased and decreased activity to temperature change. Realize of course, correlation does not prove causation, however, the sun spot activity does not require models or forecasts or hypothetical inputs as do all computer models searching for CO2 related research. It's right in front of your eyes. Just open them.

The emperor is as naked as a jaybird.

Happy Now?

Science is never settled
The idea that AGW is a proven theory seems to be supported mostly by saying AGW is a proven theory over and over again. The last article I read on the subject was in ths month's National Geographic (all global warming, all the time) this month. The article 'proved' that all below average rainfall was cased by AGW and all above average rainfull was likewise caused by--- don't let me see just the same hands-- you got it---AGW . I stopped reading before I got to the part where average rainfall was likewise a sign of AGW.

The other constant theme in AGW 'science' is that global warming, anthropogenic or otherwise is catastrophic. As an average of the last hundred million years or so, we are in a colder than normal period. The real climatic change we should fear is global cooling. If there were significant global warming, we could open up vast tracts of land now too cold for agriculture or other uses.

The way to respond to climate change is to adapt. The idea that we can control climate is unproven and probably unprovable.

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
"If a govt action is not authorized by the Constitution, nothing else matters!"

This prez doesn't seem to care about the constitution or what it stands for.

Cap & trade=lost American jobs
cap & trade= High power bills, even to those of us in the lower income, it will kill us.

environMENTALists" must be . . .
exposed for the criminals and charlatans that they are! Agree tj They would rather see man gone and only nature no matter the means to make it so. They have destroyed so many peoples lives and many town are no more.


Allen, you are retarded
if you don't mind being a slave, then so be it. Be a proud slave to the "administration". But let me clue you in on something, big Allen...the American people do not owe this temporary occupant of the White house a God damned thing. Nothing. You have allegiance to government. I'll keep my allegiance to God.

Real meaning of cap and trade
I think we should cap these Lawmakers and see if we can trade them to Russia for a few honest people that really want to work. This scum of the earth are ruining our country for our Grandkids. This cap and trade nonsense is driving sane people insane, it is so stupid as to be infuriating. It is very hard for me to believe that honest people could believe in this stupid idea. What is needed for our country right now is to open the oil fields off the coast of florida and anwar in Alaska and bring all the natural gas that Alaska is already producing. We need to build new refinerys and start to build safe nuclear power stations nationwide. All this talk about alternative fuels is fine as long as people realize that their current vehicles run on gas and they are not going to run on alternative fuels. Who can afford a new vehicle right now that runs on hydrogen or something else just as exotic because its a package deal. You cant have alternative fuel without an alternative fuel vehicle to run it. WAKE UP MORONS

Science is settled
How usefull is it to continue to go over the proven fact that people are endangering the planet?

Now it is time to trust the Administration. Get behind the corporations that will profit and develop a new tommarrow.

Allowing the government to control your thermastat is the new American way.


What if it's unnecessary?
Are you kidding me? There's a reason they tell us it will take 50 to 100 years for it to really get bad if we don't do something NOW!

They learned this from their big mistake of the 1970's when they predicted an Ice Age within 10 years. Since they used the same ruse then that they are using now with a slight twist. Then it was the chloroflourocarbons in the deodorant, the freon in a/c and probably the giant hole in their head.

Nevertheless, when it didn't happen they regrouped and started the ozone hole hysteria. When that didn't get them the ultimate power they sought, they shifted gears again and started all this global warming alarmism. When actual science began demonstrating their flawed theology they have begun changing the words of their mantra to: Climate Change. Most people haven't noticed the subtle shift in the phrasing. It's there though. This is exactly how propaganda and manipulation gets carried out.

So...most people don't notice it and start using the phrase simply out of repetitive cognizance. Global Warming, Global Warming, Climate Change, Climate Change...There's no place like home, there's no place like home.

Aren't the emperors clothes beautiful? The crowd marveled.

People really are stupid.

Happy Now?

What if it is all unneccesary?
There is more and more evidence that carbon emissions are not driving the climate, as Al Gore and James Hansen insist. If it soon becomes proven undeniably that this is true, then the whole 'global warming' house of cards collapses and all of the twaddle promulgated with regard to CO2 emissions will exposed as nonsense. Unfortunately the science has long ago been eclipsed by the media hype and the political agenda of the Greens.

Another thing...
I remember our Dear Leader also saying,

"Americans are just going to have to get used to the idea they are not going to be able to eat the food they're used to, they are not going to drive the cars they're used to, and they are not going to be able to keep their thermostats on 72 degrees no matter where they live, whether in the hot humid south or the tundra of Alaska."

Says who?

Watch me.

The public schools are where this garbage is being foisted on generation after generation of Americans.
Faceless bureaucrats devise the curriculums. Unions control the teachers. The State provides the tax money (by stealing it) to run these cesspools, the media convinces the masses they need to borrow money to give to the state tax subsidized Universities and get a degree, further indoctrinated, and we wonder why and how this happened?

I know, I know-
The public schools you went to and your children go to are good. It's all the other ones that are bad.
Okay, if you say so.
I guess that explains why so many people can't think anymore.

Happy Now?


Parker and Daniel
It is such a breath of fresh air to come to this Townhall.com site every day and read the thoughts of people who are just as fed up and angry as I am. Our country CAN NOT survive four years of this tyrannical dictator. We don't have the money. Besides some of the "communists agitators" who post their emotions, I really love Townhall(and people like Parker and Daniel and especially Dave "R.I.P.USA" and Charles LPKY")
I always value their opinions, and yours. Nice to meet you.

Hey Joey...
"What is going to make you want to continue to stay and live in this country..."

Probably the government refusing to authorize my permit to leave. The fascists call it a passport. Doesn't it sound so much nicer. Naturally, it's for my protection.

I'm still waiting for border guards between the states. National ID cards. You know-more public safety initiatives. I saw where the government wants to inspect trucks and vehicles leaving the country now. So, I figure it's only a matter of time before they start doing it to cars going from states that guns are 'legal' entering states where they are 'illegal'. I know, I know, that will never happen. Of course, seat belts would never be a primary offense either. And now, not wearing a seat belt is probable cause to search your vehicle. Who would ever have thought that would happen. But...as always it's for your own protection. Public Safety! And It's the LAW!
So now-our esteemed law enforcers are justified in doing this by simply uttering those famous words,
"Ich erledige gerade meine Arbeit." ie I am just doing my job.
Sounds a lot like:"Ich war gerade folgende Ordnungen." I was just following orders.
Remind me again...why we fought WWII?

Happy Now?

Hey Joey
Nice ta meet ya. Of course, I was referring to the completely legal process of having a trial, convicting them...then stringing them up for the capital crimes they are committing.

I have had a problem with "environmentalists" since DDT was banned - which has led to the deaths of MILLIONS of Africans from malaria. I do NOT have a problem with being as clean and green as possible...within reason. But when we "save" a couple of birds and let millions of kids die of malaria, I'm outraged. Similarly, people will DIE because of this "global warming" madness.


we need to wake up before it is too late
It would be interesting for someone to analyze ALL of the actions taken by Obama since taking office and show how each has affected America. I have said from the very beginning, his agenda is to destroy America. A cursory look at each of his policies confirms that suspicion. He is well on his way to destroying us financially. All of his foreign relations actions have shown he is trying to alienate our allies and weaken us in front of our enemies. He is trying to put us in a position where we have NO energy resources is we were to have to fight another war. He is in the process of weakening our borders further, leaving us vulnerable to terrorists and further weakening the economy by using our resources to support illegal aliens. Can you point to even ONE area where America is stronger since he took office?

Robbing Peter to pay for Paul's rsearch
Why is it that every group with an ax to grind but no money to pay for is getting their money from taxes paid by the group that they oppose. This, despite the fact that the those being taxed are doing what is perfectly legal. If you smoke you are taxed to pay for the anti smoking lobby. Drive a car? You have to pay taxes for the green lobby programs or what I consider even worse, givingthe money for roads and vridges to municipalities for mass transit that you don't use! If these groups or any others want money for research and development let them raise their own. If what they want is so viable they will find someone with deep pockets to fund them, otherwise it doesn't get done. Personally I am sick and tired of paying for the whims of a vocal few trying to run roughshod over everyone else.And making us pay for the privilege of being run over in the process.

Hey,
if I walked up to you on the street and tried to sell you "global warming/climate change" you would laugh in my face and tell me to get the hell out of your way. But, when the government and their media try to sell it you suddenly find buyers who "believe" in it. Dumb-dee-dumb-dumb

Weather-nazi's

tgwWHALE and Daniel
I agree whole-heartedly. The people who run our country should be strung up and swung.

"environMENTALists" must be . . .
exposed for the criminals and charlatans that they are. margaret sanger (?planned parenthood?) and other eugenecists would be proud of the "solution" that these "bunny huggers" espouse. IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROL--communist style. Population control as practiced by stalin, mao zedong, pol pot and others would be perfectly acceptable to them since they regard humanity as a pestilence. Most "bunny huggers" are "limp-wristed, birkenstock-wearing san francisco condo-dwellers who don't know what REAL environmentalism is.
For once, I would like to see a "greenpeace" boat blown out of the water (along with its occupants) by fishermen on one of the boats they are harassing.
Just look at the outright criminal activities that are promoted and perpetrated by them. The "lynx fur" hoax that was perpetrated (and almost successful) by "government biologists" is only one example.
The "earth first" crowd with their firebombing of residential developments is another situation that has not been disavowed by ANY so-called "environMENTAL" group.
The "endangered species act" listing of the polar bear (which is merely a variant of bear species) is also questionable.
environMENTALism is "earth worship" (GAIA) which is a RELIGION. As such, "public funding" to ANY environMENTAL group is unconstitutional. Let's see what the "courts" have to say about it.

Why are the answers so stupid
The Al Gore lovers want us to believe that these 1100 scientists who've come out against global warming are anti-science capatalist whore's (unlike the General Electric scientist promoting green).

They want us to believe that it is better to put the mercury into homes and landfills (conservatives understand that it is wishfull thinking to believe, most people will go out of their way to dump the flourecent bulbs at an authorized disposal site when they can just toss them in the trash).

Greens who've made such a big deal of having open space now want to fill the space with giant wind generators, which are inefficient and ugly.


Since I stayed up late...
...to watch the MU tigers beat Memphis (Yea!), I'm not too coherent this morning, but this subject is top priority to me. Most folks with more than 2 or 3 working neurons know that "global warming" or "climate change" (as misunderstood by the green nazis) is a monumental fraud intended to "socialize" the Western World. Permit me an antisocial moment: Mr. Gore and his nazi friends should be strung up in the town square.

The test
The libs always say that they will use the money from the "cap and trade" tax to fund research into "alternative" energy sources that won't produce excess "greenhouse gases" that produce "global warming" (We're all gonna die!). I hate to tell them this, but that technology already exists. It's called "nuclear power." It has been around a while. It produces no -- that's zero -- greenhouse gases. It is ridiculously safe -- the total number of people in the US that have died through the peaceful use of nuclear power in all of history is zero.

We don't have to worry about running out of this stuff; we have enough uranium for thousands of years, and three times as much thorium as uranium. (Thorium could be used as well as uranium to make nuclear power.)

With all of the money wasted by B. Hussein, Nancy, Harry and their crew on their various porkulus plans, we could build enough nuclear plants to supply our electricity for the next several millenia. Then we could shut down the coal plants and save all those "greenhouse gases" that are supposedly causing "global warming" (We're all gonna die!). Or. more intelligently, we could then use our massive coal reserves to produce liquid fuels like gasoline; that process has been around since about 1920, and is not expensive.

If the eco-freaks and environmentalist whackos are really serious about stopping "greenhouse gases" that produce "global warming" (We're all gonna die!), they would be totally gung-ho for building massive numbers of nuclear plants as quickly as possible. That is the test of their sincerity.

Since they don't want nukes, we have to conclude that all they really want to do is ruin our economy, our freedom, and our lives like the pinko commies that they are.

Parker
Remember Obama saying(during the presidential campaign) that "other countries just won't allow us to have our thermostats set below 74 degrees". He, and the rest of our mob Congress, want to control every single aspect of your life!
But here's the real question: What is going to make you want to continue to stay and live in this country when you are not "allowed" to make money, when you're not "allowed" to see a doctor, when you are not "allowed" to achieve and succeed, when you are not "allowed" to educate your own children, when you are not "allowed" to be out after dark, when you are not "allowed" to have a black car???

Thank God George W. Bush didn't build the wall at the Mexican and Canadian borders....cause sooner or later, Americans will flee this trash pit called "democracy" and its' socialist welfare-mentality commie inhabitants.

JohnR22
Never doubt the stupidity of an Obama supporter. If given the chance, they'll vote him right back into office nomatter what he does or says. Obama could tell his own supporters that he is in a terrorist group seeking to nuke a few American cities, wants to destroy the economy, rape their children, and cast them all off into the pits of hell, and, they would still vote for him. Remember, he was elected because he is "black", and that's all that matters to his racist, socialist following.

Egad...
Since Nixon established the federal EPA I've been called every name in the book for railing against this encroachment on freedom.
I was called a 'kook' for pointing out fascism as a way of life for government here in, "the land of the free." Now who's the kook?

This isn't the beginning-this isn't the end-this is the end of the beginning. America has been fascist since Woodrow Wilson began implementing his version of Marxist theory. Obama is just doing what every President and Congress and Senate have done for almost one-hundred years; expand government.

I defy anyone to name one area of your life where government, at any level, along with politicians and judges, does not believe it has the right, the power and the authority to interfere. This interference is/has always been done in the name of Public Safety, Public Health or National Security. Whenever you hear those words-Watch out!

So California wants to ban black paint on cars...Funny-when the smoking ban started I was laughed at for saying, "Next we'll be voting on what color car you can drive." Who's laughing now.




Obama goes too far
I cannot understand Obama. The pragmatic approach would be to focus on the economy...and maybe one other "big" initiative (like health care). And then, once the economy is fixed (and he wins easy reelection), to trot out the rest of his agenda (energy, education, etc.).

But, instead, he puts the entire mess on the table and proposes to double the national debt in 5 years and triple it in 10. It's not just that this is a bad idea, but that he's going to have it stuffed down his throat, thus seriously eroding his poltical capital.

I think he's made a terrible tactical error here that's not only going to fail, but could cost him reelection has well.

We need global warming, not Gorebull
The reason that so much of this planet has had drought for so many centuries is that we’ve been in an ice age, and the water needed for normal condensation has been frozen into glaciers. Glaciers are frozen water needed as condensation for barren and frozen lands of this planet, causing drought and flooding. When glaciers melt, some water runs into the oceans. Some water thaws the ground below where the glacier was, and soaks into the ground. Some water evaporates into the upper atmosphere where it becomes normal rainfall for the whole world.

The heat of the sun, clean air, and the absence of cold from glaciers and sea ice would cause more water to be evaporated from the oceans, lakes, and rivers into the upper atmosphere than there presently is; and the winds would blow it evenly around the world, providing normal rainfall world-wide, even where there presently is drought, and barren and frozen land, preventing flooding.

The worldwide rainfall would cause long-dormant seeds in barren lands to sprout and grow into new plants: The best way to go green. The new plants would inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen, which we breathe. There would be so many new plants, that we might have to increase the amount of carbon dioxide we generate, to provide enough for all of them

If the glacier in Greenland would melt, the codfish would return, and the land could be farmed, as it was when originally colonized by Vikings, millennia ago.

Many parts of the world have record amounts of snow and ice. Arctic ice is as thick as it was in the 1970’s when an ice age was predicted. Polar bears, which had thrived during the previous decade, are heading south to escape the severe cold. We’re entering another ice age in 2014. We must drill and pump all our own oil, shale oil, natural gas, and mine our coal as soon as possible to have them available for use.

How fast will the LA to Vegas rail line go powered with solar panels at night?

Cap and theft
One side has to purchase an item from another who will PROMISE to do something environmental to offset the others emmissions.

Sounds more like an opportunity for Congressman x to go to a corporation and peddle his favorite Cap investment.

Green could be good if they did not have such stupid solutions now. Millions of wind generators taking up the empty space the GREENS once touted as so valuable. Let's Fill Death Valley wilderness area with Wind generators.

How about thinning old growth forests? A study by the Canadian government says that old growth stops holding co2 as it becomes saturated. We should have a program of taking them down.

Do any of the greens really think if there was a forty mile a gallon automobile members of Congress will get out of their limos?

Obamba's economic plan
Print $100 trillion in confetti money, value $0. Minimum income nedeed to live: $10 billion. Everybody making over $250K: in 90% tax bracket.

ABOUT TRAINS:

The editorial asked, “Does inauguration signal a breakthrough for trains”?

Unfortunately, the answer is “No, it signals the breakup of railroads”.

Railroads are an important form of freight-hauling transportation and could be a main form of nationwide passenger service, if they weren’t heavily taxed and regulated. We need the railroads! Reading is a railroad city. A passenger run from Harrisburg, through Lancaster, Reading, and Pottstown, to Philadelphia would be great! My family has been in railroading for ninety years.

The problems are these:

Many people heard Obama announce his intent to tax the coal industry out of business, shut down coal-fired power plants, and prevent any additional ones from being built.
Coal drives steam locomotives.
Coal is used to generate electricity.
Coal is needed to convert iron ore to iron metal and iron to steel. Steel is needed to make many things, including trains and train tracks.

Democrats won’t let us drill for our own offshore, ANWR, and shale oil.
Oil drives diesel locomotives.

Democrats won’t let us build new nuclear power plants.
Nuclear-generated electricity drives electric locomotives.

Do these actions of Obama, Biden, and other Democrats show that they are fervid supporters of the nation’s railroads?

Barack Hussein Obama
is 1/4 black, 1/4 white, 1/4 green, and 1/4 red.

Environmentalists suck.
The communists have taken-over the "green" environmental movement in this country. Just look at them. They're a bunch of worthless whale-chasing bong-smoking hippies and leftist college professors(and their blind followers). It has nothing to do with the environment, but, has everything to do with the power and money they recieve by pushing the stupid crap. It has everything to do about using "environmental regulation and preservation" that allows them to destroy private businesses in this country. That's it. That's all it's about. Then, they complain about American businesses and money being shipped overseas. Then, they complain when they lose their jobs and, amazingly, want those business owners to be PUNISHED EVEN MORE and ATTACKED AGAIN! I guess humans are just another dumb species of animal, by and large. No other animal in the kingdom needs someone else to educate it's young, provide it with healthcare, give it shelter, give it food and nurture it. Humans do. Obama supporters do. Weak and dumb.

England - 1215
Just read that in the year of Magna Carta, England was about 1 degree Celsius warmer than today. Interestingly, it was regarded as good for growing crops.......

I wonder with all the cap and trade calculating by government, when has a tax ever been issued on an article of faith (the discussion is one of "I believe in global warming" or "I don't believe in it"), and how did the government decide they could only tax Americans, when clearly the climate is a world wide phenomenom? How in physics, does money transfer into carbon credit? I know energy and mass have a connection,a physics relativity, but does a dollar or credit card contain enough mass for the energy tranfer Al Gore envisions?

When you really think about it, it is reminiscent of indulgences to the Catholic Church before the Reformation. Already we have seen the scientists that disagree being excommunicated by the Church of Climate Scientology.

These greenie wienies never
answer the very simple question of what caused the end of the last ice age?
There were no people to speak of and certainly no autos, mfg plants or any other source of CO2 save mastodon flatulance.
Yet we are supposed to destroy our economic engine, put millions out of work in any industry that uses fossil fuel, delivers fossil fuel and see ourselves taxed into oblivion to what end?

This is a scam to grow gov't, to cede control over us right down to the settings on our thermostats..Thanks to environazis like gore, you can't buy a decent toilet or shower head in this country..seat belts, motorcycle and bike helmets, it's all about making us obey the gov't or else. We can't smoke in public or in your own home in some places, we are watched by cameras on the street, Orwell was right, big brother IS watching.

What the hell is the matter with us are we really cowards like holder the kidnapper and pardoner of thieves, says?

Enough!



Not trains, but cars
Sorry to say Nam65-66, O is not going to get rid of the trains, it is cars. Trains are good, just look at how many there are in the socialized EU. Cars are evil, greenhouse gas emitting machines. Let not forgot cows too and all their methane emission, lets turn us all into vegatarians. Feed us all the excess corn.

Lets not forget the few billion that was in the economic stimulus package to build a high speed rail from LA to Las Vegas. Can't have people driving there.

Well,Sandy...
...at least Mussolini made the trains run on time.Obama will get rid of the trains.

O'Bama isn't Irish, He's Italian
Onward we march to socialism. It is not the Fabianism of Great Britian. It is not the French variety nor the Communist form.

No, it hails from Italy, with Mussolini as its Grandfather.

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