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Wednesday, February 25, 2009
Donald Lambro :: Townhall.com Columnist
Investors Unimpressed with Obamanomics
by Donald Lambro
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WASHINGTON -- The old saying that money isn't everything seems to epitomize President Obama's inept attempts to jumpstart the economy by throwing $2 trillion to $3 trillion at it. Nothing appears to be working.

First, he signed a nearly $800 billion spending stimulus bill to pump money into the states through a retro-New Deal-style wave of public-works projects, and the financial markets tanked.

Then he announced a second effort to pump $275 billion to bailout subprime mortgage holders threatened with foreclosure and the biggest banks, already tottering toward insolvency, fell into an even steeper nosedive.

Then the U.S. Treasury and the Federal Reserve unveiled yet another public-private economic-rescue plan to leverage $2 trillion or so to buy up toxic assets in the financial industry and other businesses teetering on the edge. It was the administration's second attempt to sell a warmed-over plan that failed to impress Wall Street and the global financial markets. Investors here and abroad fled U.S. equities in droves.

No matter what President Obama has done thus far, he has failed to lift the mood of deepening pessimism that blankets the investment community and the wider economy.

As the week opened, all of the stock-market indexes were continuing their rapid descent, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average sliding toward 7,000.

There were as many explanations for all this as there were economic analysts, but it all came down to one common denominator -- confidence -- and the administration wasn't providing it.

"The biggest thing I see here is the incredible pessimism. The government is doing a lousy job of alleviating fears," complained Keith Springer, president of Capital Financial Advisory Services.

Indeed, there seemed to be only messages of doom-and-gloom coming out of the government. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is pushing off recovery until 2010, possibly 2011. Obama and his top advisers were saying it could be years before the economy turns around, maybe not until his term is over.

For the man who had expressed admiration for President Reagan's eternal optimism, Obama's economic rhetoric seemed stuck in the 2008 campaign offensive.

"I just would like him to end by saying that he is hopeful and completely convinced we're gonna come through this," former President Bill Clinton suggested last week.

Writing in CNNPolitics.com this week, global economic analyst David Smick echoed Clinton's advice. "Constantly suggesting, 'If the stimulus doesn't work, there's more to come,' only destroys confidence. Investors and consumers are encouraged to hold off, to see if a better deal materializes down the road," he said.

No one expects the economy to turn around anytime soon, no matter what Obama tries. But there is the reasonable expectation that a new administration can at least change the nation's psychology, and that hasn't happened yet. Indeed, the Washington news media has begun to suggest that the bear market and growing investor fears is inextricably tied to the loss of confidence in Obama's economic policies.

Last week, ABC's George Stephanopoulos reported on the network's nightly news that "since the (administration's) bank plan was unveiled last Tuesday, the Dow has lost 800 points." His report included an interview with an economist who said, "Investors are not convinced (Obama's) programs are going to work."

Support for Obama's economic-recovery plan remains high for now at 64 percent, but as the latest Washington Post poll revealed Tuesday, "deep partisan fault lines are quickly re-emerging." His job-approval rating among Republicans has dropped sharply since last month, from 62 percent to 37 percent, and nearly 40 percent of Americans now approve of the job the GOP is doing in Congress, up by double digits since last year.

Notably, a large majority now says Obama's plan falls short of what is needed to turn the economy around. A whopping 63 percent say much more stimulus is needed (tax cuts?), with 29 percent saying "a lot more." A meek 20 percent say the plan "will be enough."

This is what is fueling the lack of confidence in Obama's recovery plan as the economy retreats into a shutdown mentality.

All that said, I continue to believe in the American economy's inherent resilience -- as long as we pursue the right policies and send the right messages.

Telegraphing -- as the Obama administration did this week -- that it will raise the top-two income tax rates on upper-income individuals and small businesses in 2011 (when the country will still be in, or coming out of, its recession) weakens the economy's future prospects.

Making matters worse, states and counties, from California to New York, are raising taxes, too, creating even bigger obstacles to an early recovery.

This is not a time to be raising taxes on anyone. On the contrary, we should be cutting tax rates on businesses, investors and workers to give the economy the capital and breathing room it needs to recover.

That is the economic prescription that Republicans have been relentlessly urging the administration to take, but without success. A $13-a-week tax credit for low- to middle-income taxpayers that will end next year isn't going to make a dent in a cash-strapped economy. The American people are just beginning to understand that.

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Obama
only said crisis 7 times tonight. I guess that is an improvement from 26 times the last time he gave a speech.

John in Ca
The people who let greed stand in the way of conscience overwhelmingly are degreed professionals. Most from left wing acadamia.

They are the greed mongers.

The socialist, communist, left wing agenda has caused more misery and death than any other human mistake.

Only an ideological moron would make the statements you did and believe them. You need psychological help. Meds would help.

More on John who changed his handle
I forgot to add, you are the paranoid who claimed Anne or Retired Geek somehow had your posts deleted in pasts threads. So you changed your handle.

You were too ignorant to remember what thread you posted your comments on, and when it was pointed out to you , no apology was forthcoming.

You have less than no credibility. And a total ethical jerk on top of your ideological nonsense.

Correct John
There is no way to get to where you are at intellectually, and to approach you in the content and meaning of your posts.

In order to do that, most any conservative would have to be a lobotimized brain dead caricature of the human species.

John, I hope your parents had some children who lived. Then again that would be a scary thought. Enjoy your onanisms John. As if they meant anything.

Who cares if
Investors are unimpressed? Why worry if the investment and talent that created American prosperity, affluence and quality of life go elsewhere? Its only money, driven by mean-spirited greed. Money can't put food in hungry children's mouths. Money can't provide health care, or an education. Money has nothing to do with research into areas that might make things better. Soul power, that's what does it. Just be fair, that's the key. Make sure everyone gets their fair share and universal happiness is gay run teed.

Statistics about what percent
of the population approves of Dumbo's attempts to stimulate the economy are meaningless. What matters is the mindset of the people who invest, who hire and fire, who start new businesses. When these people trim their payrolls, drop out of the Market, put their money into CDs or off shore investments, the economy tanks. It really doesn't make much difference if the whole population of Detroit loves Dumbo. If Bill Gates decides he can do better investing in Ireland or Thailand, that's where he will put his money, and that's where the new jobs will be.

John in CA
How do you deal with a totally inane post such as yours?

On its face it is false, demented, and nothing but ideologically posturing, blathering nonsense.

How is that for reproach?

Tell you what John. Find your way over to Al Jazeera, look up say just one article, use the liberal professor Mark Levine (not Levin) he sums the situation up nicely.


" Neo-liberal globalization".

Know what that means John? The check out the BBC as I have, the Chinese media, the UK Post Daily, Iceland news, Irish news, the Polish papers, the French news gazettes, Belgium papers, and guess what?

NOT A ONE blames conservative fiscal policies. All blame banks who embarked on LIBERAL policies that led to the destruction of the system. NOT CONSERVATIVES.

Is that plain enough for you, or do I need to mail you a crayon?

Next time when you challenge someone have the courtesy not to be such an intellectually lazy know nothing, in the contents of your posts. Truly the stench from your posts is overwhelming.

John the new queen if inane posts.
Do what? To prove what to you John?. How utterly stupid you are? Sport, you have no clue.

I just gave you half a dozen places to verify what I posted. You chose to do not a single one. How is that failing to refute what you posted?

Instead you past more totally inane, off topic ideologically retarded rants. John onanisms.

Responding to someone who has no intellectual capabilities is like trying to teach a pig to sing. All it does is frustrate you and irritate the pig.

Squeal all you want John, the far left liberal pig ideology will never fly, no matter how you try to make it so.

Geez, I hate piling on to stupid, but in your case I can make an exception.

Libtard.


The Purpose of the 'Stimulus'
First of all, it needs to be understood that Barack Obama is a creation of George Soros and to a lesser degree Bill Ayers.

Understanding that and understanding the hatred that these two men (three including Obama) have for the United States and all it stands for, one can begin to understand that the purpose of the stimulus has nothing to do with helping the United States recover from an economic downturn.

It has everything to do with crippling our economy permanently. It has everything to do with crippling our ability to wage war against Islamic terrorism. It has everything to do with our ability to act as a world power.

If you doubt what I've said in the above paragraph, read 'The Shadow Party How George Soros, Hillary Clinton and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party' by David Horowitz and Richard Poe.

Then tell me what you think.

It's like Pamela Geller said on 'Atlas Shrugs' 'WE'VE BEEN FINANCIALLY DISARMED'

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/02/fin ally-disarmed.html

John Is A Perfect Example
A complete misunderstanding of human existence and what drives an economy are shared by John in Oregon and the current administration. Neither of them know, or care, how things really work because it would mean their vision of society and how it functions are badly skewed.

You can want things to work a certain way but if the results aren't there you don't just get to pretend your plan is working. The economics of redistibution lead to misery and always have. John is unhappy because greed drives people to produce. Stalin had the same reaction when those in the Ukraine didn't want to cooperate with his plans. He ended up starving millions. That is the way the left has dealt with resistance all along.

My Apologies
I am so used to reading the inanities of John in Oregon I directed my thoughts to him. John in California is apparently cut from the same cloth as his northern neighbor. Accuracy demands that I accept reponsibility for the mistake and I do so most humbly.

William of 5:45
Financially disarmed. Exactly. The same thing Reagan did to USSR. Unable to wage war, not because there was no military hardware, but because the burden could not be sustained. We are now in the same boat.

We've yet to be fully financially ...
...disarmed,that is until early in 2010.What Dumbo & the rest of the socialists are hiding is the next bomb to explode.
Could it be the "coup de grace" for the economy?

The mortgage crisis is far from over.Truth is the worst is yet to come.Millions of higher net-worth homeowners bought Million $$$$$ McMansions of adjustable Alt-A mortgages w/ teaser 1% rates that are due to reset early next year.Expect their monthly rates to double even triple w/ subsequent foreclosures to sky-rocket!

In fact,in Miami's posh Dade County so many glitzy high-end homes have already defaulted the area is now known as the "Repo Riviera"!

No wonder Gov. Crist (a Repub) is grabbing all the bucks he can get from the socialists in D.C.,expect more of the same in other states.

Obambi's grand plan is to guarantee our economic collapse...hello Marxism & welcome to the new U.S.S.A.

The Federal Gov. has too much power
The problem is, the federal Government is being used for so many things that it was never meant to be used for. Local governments have lost so much control and States have lost their rights now.
For what the government should look like:
http://jasonfalter.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/the-libertarian -government-view/

I voted for a hero
The problem is that Obama is stil presenting himself as the savior who is going to do the things that will revive the economy. But all the savior has done is to increase the debt, which is guaranteed to make things worse.

So it really doesn't matter what he says. He keeps doing the things that will send us right down the tubes. As a bumper sticker says, "I voted for a hero, not a handout."

The Barak Hussein Oglooma Presidency
Gloom, Doom, Doom, Gloom.
This is definitely change. Doom, hatred,
envy, these are the tools of a community organizer. Oblama knows that game well. He can get hateful underachievers to vote for him. Votes from the poor don't create jobs. Destroying the corporate jet market in the US will end jobs for the little people. Stopping corporate sponsored events destroys Las Vegas. In the information age companies will sell to foreigners or relocate off shore. They've been doing it for years. With Oblama and Joe slamming America every other speech instead of leading I can't wait for the 2010 election. Is it really only 20 months away? What's the best country to invest in and move your capital too? Where does liberty reign?

Anderson-Pistol
Sesame Street is beyond the capacity of The Sail Eared Simpleton, let alone Economics.

h20skier - O-BINGO

"Obama only said crisis 7 times tonight. I guess that is an improvement from 26 times the last time he gave a speech."

Hey, h20:

Did you get my heads-up last night before the Obamadrama? I alerted all of the boards with the information on Get Drunk & Play O-BINGO With Obama @ 9.

The bingo cards had "talking words" like bipartianship, crisis, etc. Every time a talking word was used, you were supposed to take a swig of an alcoholic beverage.

I had left the alert with the hope that Obama didn't use the word "crisis" 14 gazillion times. Good Grief! If he had done his typical gloom and doom talk, we would have had alcohol poisoning within the first 20 minutes.

Instead of the pessimism, Obama spread around so much sugar spending that it triggered nationwide diabetes.

@kwills in Fla.
40M young in Europe.
50M " " U.S.A.
30M " " S.A.
400M ' " Asia
Where do you think the growth will occur to invest?

Trouble is,there's little liberty & even less financial transparency!

Stimulus-schtimulus...
The official forcasts indicate that the effects of the stimulus package will be felt in 2010 and 2011-2012. Isin't that miraculous? 2010=mid term election year, 2011-2012=start of the presidential campaign and full election year. The stimulus is buying votes for the Democrats (so they hope)and the President (I leave the various adjectives to the readers). In the mean time private investors are sitting on the fence parking their wealth in gold and Swiss bank accounts and the government is busy printing money to secure votes for the Democrats. Until the modus operandi of investments changes the stock market and the US economy will head South.

Clueless 'whitey' perspective
'All that said, I continue to believe in the American economy's inherent resilience -- as long as we pursue the right policies and send the right messages'.


When Obama is done deconstructing america and reconstructing it in his 'image of equal but seperate' the middle class americans will be lower middle class (mainly whites) and the poor americans will be COMPLETLEY dependent on government funded by the lower middle class americans. His ideology of Black Liberation Theology means he has to 'right' what has been wrong for the past centuries. And he is not shying away from that 'high calling' of being the equalizer.

The BIG mistake white analysts are making is to assume that 'Obama is just like Carter'. Carter did not have a religion that led him to believe he had a 'calling' to make 'whitey' pay reparations AND THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. Obama is the 'messiah' Farakhan and all other 'black liberation theologians' or 'equal but seperate' crowd have been waiting for. He will do so by convincing 'whites' that 'social justice' is important. It will take a while before whites realize - redistribution has been packaged as 'social justice' made possible by the 'economic crisis' that 'he inherited' from Bush (the guy we should all hate if we are patriotic).

THERE IS NO HOPE AND AMERICA WON'T BE THE COUNTRY YOU HAVE KNOWN WHEN OBAMA IS DONE.

Anne....
By hero, I assume you meant John McCain. By all accounts, he was a hero in Viet Nam. Based on his political history and current events, I seriously doubt things would be much different if he had been elected POTUS instead of Obama. The main difference would be that he would be getting the blame instead of Bush who continues to receive blame (partially deserved) for all of our problems. That and Chris Matthews wouldn't be continuously wetting himself. A military hero doesn't always make for a political hero.

Two of the most enlightened men of my lifetime are gone (F. A. Hayek and L. von Mises) and barely a footnote in history. Two black men in our racially challenged country follow in their scholarly footsteps (T. Sowell and W. Williams), but are unfamiliar to most Americans busy watching mind numbing TV from Oprah to Nascar from the comfort of their couches. None of them or others like them who argue for self-reliance and constraint on government make the financial and political power brokers or their media pawns and useful idiots happy.

SANDRA
SSSHHH...We're supposed to be the country of cowards. How dare you talk about race!

FeedFwd

von Mises "The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality" is one of the most brilliant essays I've ever read. It explains in vivid detail why the postings of people such as Hal Donahue, Zapdoodat and Will, among many others, are so incredibly inane.

You can get it for free in PDF format here:

http://mises.org/etexts/mises/anticap.asp

Denise
I played my own version of O-Bingo last night during the speech. Every time I heard an assinine statement, I took a swig. I did have a rvelation, though. As I approached a stunken drupor on the verge of passing out, I felt that I had attained the intellectual level of an Obot.

And I Thought
GWB was an economic dunce, this guy and his court is quickly destroying GWBs legacy! Who in their right mind trust anything King Obama and his court say? You would be a total fool to dive into the stock market, or invest into still overinflated Realestate! Im in the market for a new car, but Im not buying, Its got to go cheaper! In times like this you have to take care of you and yours, no one else will!!!!!

John in CA
John in CA asks Anderson "So where do you differ on abortion with Osama Bin laden?"

I can tell you the difference between conservatives and Osama Bin Laden’s ideals regarding abortion.
It’s very simple.

Conservatives are against abortion because they respect human life and believe every life is precious and must be protected.

Osama Bin Laden is also against abortion because it preemptively destroys his future Jiahdist suicide bombers, and he needs more volunteers.

Obama brought depression to White House
Obama didn't bring hope. He brought depression. Who are the idiots who voted for this clown. I'm thinking Obama makes Carter shine in comparison.

Time will tell.
Truth is that the market is not yet reacting to Obama's plan. At this point the plan is all talk and very little action. The stock market is forward looking, however it looks forward anywhere between 6 and 12 months (depending on how cloudy the crystal ball is). Anything that the current administration does now will have an effect on the stock market in the future, realistically we have to wait. The economy is in a very tough place, unemployment is extreme, loss of wealth is unprecedented and confidence is through the floor. Very interesting to observe how anyone could blame Obama on the current crisis, the current economic condition or even more precisely the condition of our stock market. The ghosts of W are still wafting through every bit of the government. It might feel nice to say that Obama is responsible for all of this, he is no more responsible for this than there are WMD's in Iraq.

The USA is still the greatest country in the world, we probably will have that perch for a few more years. Within the next 10 years either China or India will take over as the supereconomy. Blame that on Obama? Perhaps our birth rate could have been a bit higher, however they population is almost 3 times what ours is.

What to do? When you are cold, bitter and full of hate -- Hit out at those damn liberals its all their fault! Those people want to destroy your country, your way of life your view of the world!!

Waldo41
That is incorrect. The market is indeed reacting to his every plan and stated move. What they are not reacting to are the effects of those plans. Businesses and investors have to plan ahead, and they are responding to what they think the future will bring.

How exactly are the "ghosts of W" still "wafting through every bit of government?" Are you referring to policies, institutions, personnel? If so, which ones?

Booted, and good riddance
Lest some late arrivals be confused with Anderson659 postings to an invisible poster, John of Ca has had his posts removed. Last time this happened, he blamed a conspiracy led by Anne and Retired Geek. I hope this time he blames Anderson659 and me. I'd enjoy being in such exalted company.
I suppose we ought to be on the lookout for a new nickname with some connection to the old one. Maybe "outhouse" or "commode".

Ahenobarbus
"How exactly are the 'ghosts of W' still wafting through every bit of government?"

The same way Jimmy Carter can be blamed for this financial crisis and Bubba Clinton can be blamed for 9/11.

Who do you blame for 9-11? There was a Republican president, a Republican Speaker of the House and a Republican Speaker of the House for the previous nine months.


if they are going to stimulate
the economy with a tax cut, they better hurry, because a tax cut will have no effect if noone has any income to tax. what they are really trying to stimulate is morons to vote democrat. but that is wasted effort. morons will vote democrat without being stimulated.

Pistol on John in Ca
His name is Kevin Sysyn. Describes himself as an atheist feminist heterosexual, or a no brains, no nads, typical liberal.

Hates America, thinks Americans are stupid and writes op-ed pieces saying so.

A total tard. Used to be koolmuse here. I did answer my own question. His parents did not have any children that lived.
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