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Thursday, July 03, 2008
Donald Lambro :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Right Turn Leaves Left in the Lurch
by Donald Lambro
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WASHINGTON -- Soon after Americans for Democratic Action endorsed Barack Obama last month, its leaders were e-mailing deep concerns over his flip-flops on the ADA's bedrock liberal beliefs.

With his party's presidential nomination secure and Democrats rallying behind him, the ultra-liberal freshman senator was making a mad dash to the political center in preparation for the general election. Positions on gun control, trade protectionism, terrorist surveillance, the death penalty and even his Iraq withdrawal plan were being abandoned, softened or blurred to make his candidacy less threatening to more moderate voters.

That has sent off alarm bells in the Democrats' liberal base in the past week or two, among both its foot soldiers in the blogosphere and its oldest leftist bulwarks of party orthodoxy.

Over at the venerable ADA, keeper of the liberal flame, e-mails were flying back-and-forth among its board of directors and other members who were troubled by Obama's sudden change of mind on issues near and dear to their heart.

"There's some concern that has been expressed in e-mails between the board and staff and some of our issue analysts," an ADA official told me. "There's a dialogue going on among people who are not sure what his remarks mean."

And no wonder. The freshman senator's apparent makeover for the general election abandons some of his party's most fervently held positions in favor of gun control, opposition to the North American Free Trade Agreement and opposition to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which would give retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies that help the government intercept calls and e-mails from terrorists.

The concern bubbling up from the base ranges from feelings of betrayal to pragmatic, if grudging, acknowledgement that he can't win the presidency unless he reaches out to the center where elections are won or lost.

"In the last week, Barack Obama has handed progressives a string of stinging rebukes," decried Democratic blogger Jason Rosenbaum on the far-left Huffington Post Web site.

"Am I bummed ... that Obama and most of our Democratic leaders caved in on FISA? Absolutely, and there's nothing wrong with saying so," said blogger Mike Lux at the Open Left Web site. And he's not alone. Others in the left's netroot armies are "writing about not lifting a finger to help Obama now that he's screwed us on FISA," said Lux, who nonetheless continues to support the Illinois senator.

Many of Obama's rightward shifts represent breathtaking changes from what he has long stood for, raising troubling questions about his character and becoming a major GOP attack line in the campaign.

On trade, for example, he recently told Fortune magazine that he would never withdraw from NAFTA, calling some of his sharpest anti-trade rhetoric "overheated." "I've always been a proponent of free trade," he said.

But he was fiercely critical of trade deals in his primary fight with Hillary Clinton, especially before union audiences, and he threatened to abrogate the pact with Canada and Mexico if they did not agree to changes in its terms.

In the aftermath of the Supreme Court's ruling that struck down the District of Columbia's gun ban, he issued a confusing statement that said he has always believed in the constitutional "right of individuals to bear arms." But he supported gun control as a state senator in Illinois, and a staffer told the Chicago Tribune last year that "Obama believes the D.C. handgun law (banning private ownership) is constitutional."

On FISA, he said earlier this year, "There is no reason why telephone companies should be given blanket immunity to cover violations of the rights of the American people."

But as the administration-backed FISA bill was cleared for debate last week in the Senate, he shifted sharply to the right, saying, "It is not all that I would want. But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence-collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay."

Throughout his campaign, he has railed against "tax breaks for big corporations" and attacked John McCain's call for cutting corporate tax rates. But in a recent interview with the Wall Street Journal, he said he would consider cutting their taxes as part of a tax-simplification plan.

Even on the core issue of Iraq withdrawal, he seemed to be wiggling away from a full pullout. "Three or four of his Iraq advisers are hinting of greater flexibility," said Democratic defense analyst Michael O'Hanlon at the Brookings Institution. "That indicates the potential for some change in his previous position or at least some flexibility."

In a recent conversation with Iraq's foreign minister, Hoshyar Zebari, Obama reassured him that "he will not take any drastic decisions or reckless actions" and would consult "very closely with the Iraqi government and the military commanders in the field" before any troop withdrawals, Zebari told the Wall Street Journal.

All of these and other changes in his campaign positions were "signs of increasing maturity and growth" in the young senator, former Democratic National Committee chairman Steve Grossman told me.

Or are they, as the McCain campaign charges, Obama's willingness "to say or do anything it takes" to win the presidency?

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It's complicated stupid!
Obama like every candidate for president is moving more to the center but only at the margins and because a lot of issues can't be explained in a sound bite.On FISA what he voted on was the Telecoms can't be sued in Civil Court but can in Criminal Court.He has always been pro death penalty and has always supported gun rights.That he might disagree with some aspects of some issues and God forbid might even agree with conservatives on others means the ultraliberal and Marxist labels are for fools to use only.

The thing is...
...socialists know that they can never win unless they lie about what they believe.

So BO will tell any lie to cover up his core beliefs.

not so complicated
It really is not complicated at all. Obama wants to be president so badly that he will talk out of both sides of his mouth. He shows a great deal of disrespect to the American people because he thinks we are all too ignorant to follow what he has said in the past and what he is saying now.

Obama is smart enough to know that he could not hope to win if he talked straight about what he wants to do. He really has no choice but to move to the center. I suspect that if he is elected (God forbid), he will start out from the left, but will be forced to govern from the center when he realizes the American people are not as liberal as he would like.

you mention that the ultraliberal label is not appropriate. He has the most liberal voting record in the senate. He goes beyond most liberals on abortion rights (including the belief that babies who survive abortions should not be allowed to live). When someone is left of left, I am unsure what you would call him, but ultraliberal seems to fit.

Dottie
Sadly, you're right. I will still vote for him, but not as enthusiastically as I would have liked to.
As a side note, I don't really know what people mean when they bring up this issue of babies who survive abortion attempts. It's hard to believe that this ever happens. Are 9-month pregnant women having abortions performed by gas station attendants? It seems like that's about what it would take.

For Dottie
Dottie,

While it may be "hard to believe" that babies surviving abortion attempts ever happens, the fact that it happens at all speaks volumes.

Also, babies are born prematurely more often than you seem to be willing to admit, which makes me wonder.

It's not the gas station attendants who perform partial-birth abortions, btw. There are more than a few doctors out there who have no problem performing such a horrific procedue.

Only a fool would believe anything that
a candidate says after nomination if that saying disagrees with his previous record. As I said yesterday, the hurler is 6 E+23 miles left and it would take something significant for him to be even mearly center-left. IN any case, this is just rhetoric for fools.

Of course since his base is made up of fools to begin with, I'm sure they are all worried.

Obama ain't Carter
Carter was just a bumbling idiot. Obama is a real Marxist, not a dummy, just plain evil.

texaschuck
You need to post somewhere that is filled with people unfamiliar with Obama's positions. Knowledgeable people will not buy your crap.

For instance, you state Obama has always supported the right to keep and bear arms. That can only be stated as fact if you qualify it by saying he supports those rights as long as the government is free to ignore those rights. That has been his position for years. He is on the record numerous times stating the D.C. gun ban was correct. He has supported the Chicago gun ban.

Honest people can disagree over the merits of citizens owning guns. No honest person can state Obama supports that right.

Don't worry, ADA
Senator Obama is just doing it to get elected. I guarantee you, after he takes the Oath of Office, he'll come out in favor of every little thing you dream of doing to this country, and the world, and will almost certainly try to do it by Executive Order, the Supreme Court and majority rule be d****d.

He's following the playbook of every Democratic presidential candidate since McGovern, namely running to the center so he can govern from the left once he's in the Oval Office.

He's just counting on more than half of the electorate to have a short memory of the likes of Carter and Clinton, to say nothing of losers like Big George, Fritz Mondale, Little Mikey Dukakis, AlGore From The Planet Eco, and John F-For-My-Middle-Name-Is-None-Of-Your-Business Kerry.

As Heinlein said, "Supposed pacifists are only peaceful as long as someone is looking. When unobserved, they hoist the Jolly Roger."

The same thing can be said of "progressives". It's encoded in their genes. Just like their belief that they're brilliant, and everyone else is a drooling idiot who cannot walk and chew gum at the same time.

Once Obama's in the center seat, he'll be good. By "enlightened elite" standards.

Just not good for America, her allies, or the world.

Like the "progressives" care.


clear ether

eon

Why are we surprised?
Seriously. Why is anyone surprised that Barack Hus-Change Obama has suddenly, and without warning, moved his rhetoric to the right? Kerry did it in 2004 and Gore did it in 2000. Democrats know that they can't win a general election on leftist positions alone. They want us to believe (till November, anyway) that they actually DO love this country, that they actually DO support the military, that they actually DON'T want to whittle our rights and freedoms down to nothing. That's what happens when you nominate someone on the extreme ideological fringe of your party.

Apollo is right
Obama has always been the Inaudacious One: petty, mean, contemptible, empty; a man without a message, a candidate without hope. A loser for our times.

Obama's Achilles Heel
is his voting record on gun control. Combine that with his recent mushy statements on the Heller decision, and we have a golden wedge which Obama handed us on a silver platter. Let's drive it home.

all or nothing
I have become afraid of the all or nothing attitude of the American people. While I would not vote for Obama personally, I am disgusted by the left's anger at Obama's shift to the middle. What happened to bringing peace and unity and ending the devisiveness? Apparently the only cure for divisiveness is to make everyone move to the far left. Nothing else will do.
People who will not vote for John McCain spout some of the dumbest reasons I have ever heard; he's too old, he's married to a younger woman, he's pandering to the left. Mr. McCain is much more centrist than Obama and has been from the start. But the more rabid of the Right (Ann Coulter comes to mind), don't want him because he's not "right" enough. Again a disconnect between the desire for peace and unity and actually accepting the actions of people who may be trying to achieve that goal.
Overall we Americans are not only spoiled, but most of us can't put a reasonable string of logic together to save our own selves. The desire of the left to make us like the loser European socialists, the demand of the right that almost all facets of a person's personal life be dictated by law, and the great struggle of Libertarians to weigh their votes against one extreme or the other. This two party system is exactly what our forefathers were in fear of, for exactly the reason we see today. Divisiveness, all or nothing, my way or the highway attitudes that strangle the ability to accomplish anything worthwhile and slowly dampen the fires of liberty until we are all slaves to our own stupidity.

Obama's CHANGE to the center . . .
What amazes me are those who are surprised by Obama's rightward shift from the ideologies he has long endorsed. Obama and his "handlers" are fully aware that most American voters will not support his extreme liberalism. Obama is only temporarily CHANGING his rhetoric to appeal to moderates and conservatives in order to get elected. His "center" philosophies will be abandoned as soon as he is inaugurated.

Quote to Ponder: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." -- Norman Thomas, Socialist Party of America (six-time presidential candidate 1930s-1940s).

Becky and Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter is not saying that we should not vote for McCain. She is saying that it will be difficult to do so.. Since when does being principled make one rabid, anyway? McCain is different from no one when is comes to accepting responsibility for his actions. He and his supporters expect million of us to vote for him just because he shows a capital R in front of his name. Maybe we will but not without a great deal of complaining.

Obama Lied - Plain and Simple
I find it amusing to see the liberals here and elsewhere working so hard to explain away Obama's blatant dishonesty. The same people who have made it a crime to simply be mistaken on an issue, at least when the person mistaken is a Republican, are now bending over backwards to excuse a man who clearly either lied to them when he asked for their votes in the primaries or is lying to everyone else now. Quote political expediency all you like, you cannot square Obama's self-serving lies with his record. You've chosen Bill Clinton, without the charm, and without the charm all you have is liar. Truth will tell.

The American Patriot
The American Patriot to me is one who loves their Country and wish America no harm for any reason.

The American Patriot is male, female and children of every nationality, race, ethnic background and religion who wish America no harm for any reason.

The American Patriot are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom who wish America no harm.

The American Patriot ia proud of their flag and the Statue of Liberty which "welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed" and wishes America no harm.

The American Patriot takes pride in the greatest Warriors in the history of man - the American Soldier and wish America no harm.

The American Patriot looks at their sons and daughters in uniform with tears in their hearts and pride on their faces as their children goes off to defend the greatest country ever on this planet and wish America no harm.

The spouse and children of the American Patriot with anxiety in their hearts and faces shining with pride watch as their American Warrior leaves to defend America.

The American Patriot lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.

The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness and the right to self determination and wish America no harm.

The American Patriot does not want to weaken America in dangerous times for political reasons.

The American Patriot does not put ideology first and America second to harm it in hopes it will learn a 'lesson'.

God Bless America and its' Patriots!


The only thing Obama
changes IS HIS MIND.

He has no real background, no experience, no viable plans for the US, and I hope no future.

Hi, guys, this is Renny again, after TH refused to recognize me for weeks.


Shocking!
I'm shocked to find politicians wordsmithing!

Shocked to find a lack of nuanced understanding of candidate positions in the media, including Townhall.

Shocked to find candidates pandering.

Shocked to find candidates doing what's necessary in representative democracy--pander and simplify to ignorant voters "journalists."

On liberal and conservative blogs one rarely finds any serious discussion in these 1-2 page diatribes--liberal or conservative.

The only way to seriously prepare for this election is to independently beef up on the issues and the best responses to them--which means reading some thick books. While entertaining, this Townhall stuff is a distracting sideshow for the serious citizen. Entertaining though.



For reni (#19)
Actually, Oblahma only changes rhetoric au Mulroney (erstwhile quisling PM of Canada)!

His mind DOESN't change--he was willing to use/discard people before becoming a Senator, and is still doing so.

Barack is opening himself up to ALL
americans! Barack is a candidate who will struggle to bring together american individuals as diverse as homosexuals and evangelicals, blue personality and red pesonality, city mouse and country mouse. We must start by focusing on the values that unite us, and push aside, to start, the values that divide us.


I must say, though. Much of the stuff that "divides" ordinary americans is the result of overzealous talk-radio and cable news personalities that daily "create" controversies in order to be able to fill 3 hours worth of conservative "talk". So the same manufactured spin is diseminated day after day after day.

Imagine this: If we were ONLY to focus on the flaws and mistakes and mis-truths of the Ronald Reagan administration - EXCLUDED EVERYTHING ELSE! - and we talk solely about these flaws for weeks and weeks on end, well, it would not take very long to turn Reagan into a very bad president.

Most of the "divisions" between red state/blue state is a crafted, manufactured division. That is why you'll notice on certain days when a news story breaks, the talk radio curcuit will not talk about it immediately. They wait to see what other conservatives think, wait to hear where the spin lies, wait to see how an issue can be exploited for partisan gain.

WE ARE ALL complicit in this ongoing "division" of political ideologies, ideologies that supposedly cannot peacefully co-exist. We ALLOW ourselves to be manipulated and politized on EVERY damned issue.

OBAMA may OK ANWR Drilling before McCAIN
Don't be surprised if OBAMA approves of drilling in ANWR before McCAIN

To DCR
Shocking? No, it really isn't.

What is interesting to me is that there are finally a few people on the left end who are beginning to see through the facade.

What I've seen here on TH frequently are lefties claiming the R's are going down in November because they don't solidly support their candidate. Guess what - some on the left are starting to feel a little uncomfy as well.

If victory is in the middle ground, McCain had a lot shorter trip to the middle than Obama. McCain only had to come a little to the right.

Will
Barack Obama is not opening himself up to all Americans as a uniter. He is revealing himself to be just a typical politician. It is one thing to have a change of mind on a position that one held a decade ago, but Obama has changed his mind on issues for which he was chosen by those on the left. Positions he held less than a year ago.

He ought to change his slogan "Change We Can Believe In" to "Change We Can't Believe In."

Chicago style crap
Those who ever live in Chicago sees Obama as another Mayor Daley spin off. Obama followers the play book by telling everybody anything they want to hear, but like the Chicago style politicians will do some else when in office. In Chicago if you want the blessing of the Mayor you have to sell your soul to the Mayor. Obama did not get to where he is on his sweet smile and soft talk he got there by word of Mayor Daley.
Left, right, middle it matters little to Obama even as President he is still tied to the Mayor Daley machine. Look at the Gov. of Illinois Mayor Daley has the Gov. family living in Chicago as if they were hostages. I wonder what Obama had to put up to get to be President?
Maybe his children souls?

Follow The Money
The main reason Hillary dropped out was that she was broke.Obama made a calculated move two years ago by staking out a Far Left agenda. He went as Left as one could go, and they few times he did show up and vote in the Senate he made sure that he casted votes that were aimed to please the NetRoots, ADA, and Planned Parenthood.

With this strategy he hit paydirt -literally. Today he stands atop of a $500 million war chest -all provided by soft donations from the Far Left. He also quietly turned down federal election money and all the of the regulations that that money entails (something a year ago he promised he would not do).

So, the Far Left is mad over this Bait and Switch. Too bad, he's already got thier money. He can now swing aburptly to the Center and not worry that Beardo the Weirdo will stop underwriting his campagin.

Of course, this could all be a super Bait and Switch, where Obama goes Right to secure the elections only to move drastically back to the Far Left once he is nominated. This would work perfectly if the Dem capture a 60 vote Senate majority.

I was shocked
to see that the left even noticed. I thought there were only a very few Obama supporters who actually cared about issues. Will restored my shock. Doesn't matter what he says or thinks, or will actually do, or has actually done. It's "him".

APOLLOSPEAKS - an eloquent summation of Mr. Obama, I must say. If that's Ms. Huffington's view, I salute her for it. I don't agree with her positions, but I do respect clarity and honesty, and few are honest enough to assess their candidate that way. She's obviously true to her values, and not one of the more common type of Obama supporters who are so glaze-eyed over him they don't care about anything else. We have quite a few regular posters here who fall into that category.

Will writes:
"Imagine this: If we were ONLY to focus on the flaws and mistakes and mis-truths of the Ronald Reagan administration - EXCLUDED EVERYTHING ELSE! - and we talk solely about these flaws for weeks and weeks on end, well, it would not take very long to turn Reagan into a very bad president."
-----

Interesting "will" brings this up.

What he's suggesting about Reagan is exactly what the leftists have been doing to Bush for 7+ years.

As has already been written here, Obama is just doing what all leftists HAVE to do to try and win in a general election.

They "out-left" each other in the primaries to lock up the nomination - then become "centrists" to appeal to the general population.

As Obama's mentor, The Rev. Wright, so succinctly said, he's just a politician being a politician.

But he'll fool millions of "wills" into voting for him.

Truly the Messiah has arrived.
In the blink of any eye he changed the land mass of the continent by adding 7 more states. And this before he's even POTUS. Verily, he is indeed a MAGIC NEGRO.

Greetings
I'm back up and running at my blog after being quiet for a couple of weeks.

Stop by Fountain Abbey and read my piece on "The Christian Foundation of America".

fountainabbey.blogtownhall.com

or click on my name

Obama is a gay man with a wife & kids

Obama is a vocal supporter of gay marriage who believes marriage should be defined as one-man-one-woman.

Obama is a black man with a white mother and white grandparents.

Obama is a socialist who celebrates capitalism.

Obama is a 2nd Amendment enthusiast who believes in gun control.

Obama is a pro-choice candidates who opposes abortion.

Obama is a pacifist who is ready to launch a nuclear attack against Pakistan.

And the list is endless.

McCain should just drop out and let Obama run unopposed!

God help us all...

Of note...
On O'Reilly last night, they were discussing Obama's new ad claiming he was responsible for a bill which removed 80% of people from the welfare rolls. Dick Morris and John Kasich were talking about this stating that the Welfare Reform Act was passed while John was in congress and Morris was working for Bill Clinton. In fact, John was on the committee that drafted the bill! On top of that, the Welfare Reform Act only produced a 60% reduction in the rolls. Is anyone in the mainstream media going to hold Obama accountable for these lies? McCain and/or the RNC need to do a counter-punch ad on this outlining the lie. McCain is being too nice on some of these issues...I don't disagree with taking the high road, but he needs to come out swinging when lies are being told.

More of the Same
Nixon used to say that in order for a Republican to get elected, they had to run as far to the right as they could in the primaries, and then as fast as they could back to the center in the general. For Democrats, its run to the left and then back to the center.

McCain started running to the center during the 2000 election. Prior to that he'd been a pretty reliable conservative vote. However, his record began shifting, and the closer he got to the 2008 election, the more it became his version of centrist.

This is standard political operating procedure. Surely, no one is surprised by this. Granted, you can feign shock and awe at the ease with which politicians shift - but don't expect anyone else to believe that partisans are really all that shocked. Their only shocked if one guy does a better job than the other. Now that infuriates them. Their dearest hope is to be able to paint the other guy as "far right", or "far left". And keep him there. If they can't, then they just might lose. So, they cry loudly about it.

Ralph Nader is the leftist

with cahones. He is not going to alter his platform based on attracting the middle. It is only by electing Nader that the left will be able to implement their agenda.

If the left goes

unanimously for Nader, he has a chance to win.

Dewey,Cheatham & Howe
Senator"How can we fool'em this time"Obama will say whatever he thinks will be accepted by the voters. Most of us are smart enough to see through this charade he is engaged in.

Not to worry nutroots
It is not the liberal base that should be concerned with Obama's new found appreciation for the middle, it is those in middle that should have one eye on their back.

If Obama can say in a debate that he would unilaterally renegotiate NAFTA and then send a covert agent to Canadian Diplomats saying, no worries, its all for show, what does that say about his sudden pragmatic shift on all issues controversial?

This man has no conscience, no moral compass, no ethics and no hesitation to wrap himself around the immediate color of his surroundings. He would make a Chameleon jealous.

Methinks Obama
speaketh with forked tongue. He counteth on his voter base to remain clueless concerning the issues of the day.

Reversal
Mr. Obama would never be elected on his natural ultraliberal beliefs and he knows it, his recent flip-flop to the center for moderate votes would not last. If he were elected president, he would reverse to his original positions.

He just is not ready.
For my money, we need to leave Obama on the tree to finish ripening. We should harvest no fruit before its time. The presidency is no place for people to mature and grow. It is certainly NOT another line on your resume.

I am reminded of A Man for All Seasons where Thomas More tells his future son-in-law that, "A year ago you were a passionate Churchman. Now, you're a passionate Lutheran. We can only hope that when your head stops spinning that your face is to the front again."

http://theotherside.blogtownhall.com/2008/07/03/obama__fake _right.thtml

will writes about manufactured divisions

With regard to BHO, how can he unite Americans in an area such as abortion? Is abortion one of the manufactured 'divisions' of which the boy, will, speaks? Of course, will has a point, the 'right' to abort a child has been manufactured; but who manufactured that 'right'? Was it the 'conservative side' of politics or was it the 'liberal' side? The division exists because of a division between ideologies and authorities.

So how can BHO bring these two factions together? Is there any middle ground in abortion? The child is either dead or not. Where is the in-between position in this issue?

Bush tried to unite the country. At the beginning of his first term he reached acorss the aisle and the 'liberals' bit him. They have been chewing on him ever since.

This is not about unity; it is not about meeting halfway. It is about the 'liberals' ramming their POV down the collective throat of the country. Sort of one sided, eh will?

Obama's right turn
How long will people be willing to support a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE who continually changes his point of view and defends it as part of his "maturing" process? Issues are too important and decisions too crucial to someone who is still in the process of "maturing." This guy will lose big if there is such a thing as common sense left ammong the electorate.

CLASSICAL UK STATION
Dear Mister Barack “Barry” Hussain bin O’BoomBox (nee: Obama):

In the course of your many pedantic diatribe you tend to reiterate a supposed disparity towards the Bush Administration and the United States of America. Due to the miracle of the Internet I listen constantly - with digital quality - to classical music from a station in London England which on the Fourth of July will celebrate our "Independence Day". In my many months listening to this wonderful source of music never have I heard a dispirited word, phrase or comment directed against anything American. That said, my request of you is to cease further any reference from unnamed foreign sources that speak poorly of the greatness of my country. There is nothing respectful from spreading false rumor.

Sincerely;
REILLY ACE OF SPIES

Amen to Deb
I concur wholeheartedly, and then some. McCain will win in a landslide, and the Dems will be left wondering "wha' happened?" just like they were with Kerry in '04.

Birdman II
Word.

Just wait...
His next turn will leave the Center in the lurch.

What I would like to see...
is a true debate by the candidates with questions coming from a panel consisting of members who are representative of various platforms (republican, democrat, libertarian, and green parties). Each panelist could ask 3 questions of their choosing (maybe they could agree ahead of time on the questions to be asked, so none are duplicated). The debates could be held over a 2 or a 3 day period, or it could be a marathon debate.

That would allow for a total of 12 different questions that could be asked. And instead of 1 minute responses with follow-up 30-second rebuttals, why not let each candidate speak for up to 5 minutes on each question posed from a panelist. After all candidates have answered the question posed from a panelist, then a quick 1 minute round-robin rebuttal/clarify/summary period could be given to each candidate. Then it's on to the next question by the next panelist, and so on until all of the 4 panelists have asked their 3 questions.

It would be nice to see all of the candidates side-by-side addressing each question posed, with 5 minutes to make their case and one minute to summarize. Americans could compare and contrast each candidates answers to a particular question within a reasonable period of time to answer the question.

If there are 4 candidates (McCain, Obama, Barr and Nader) and 4 panelists and each panelist prepares 3 separate questions of their choosing, imagine the questions that panelists such as Thomas Sowell or Arianna Huffington might pose! What about Hillary Clinton, Ron Paul, or Fred Thompson! Each platform could offer up their own questioner and questions.

It would also provide the news media lots of fodder for their articles and talking points. And I believe the American public would love to see it.

SuperDelegates can Flip-Flop too!!
Lambro said: "With his party's presidential nomination secure"
Tell me, what is so secure about it? After all, Hillary Clinton "suspended" her campaign, she didn't end it. She has all her delegates going into the convention. And, the only thing Obama has is the SuperDelegates say so that they will vote for him. They could change their minds, just like he has been flip-flopping on everything.

The Democrats could come out of a convention with Hillary Clinton as the nominee. She very well could be the only Democrat that will be able to win this election.

Pols and polls ! The polls win!
Guess what, Barack Obama, BO, will adjust positions to get elected and then do whatever he wants.

BO has no record of doing "the right thing". He has a long record of voting present in the Illinois legislature. He even annoyed left interests when "pulled" the wrong lever by mistake in a major vote.

Obama wants the power of the office he seeks. No one knows what he will do. He is a blank check.

Obama is a new kind of politician. An example of this is his proposal for expanded federal faith based programs. He says his faith based federal program will have more money and more say in the faith group's staff. Wow, this should appeal to the ADA, ACLU, etc.




STUPID ? texaschuck gun rights?
No candidate has stated he supports gun control laws like the one in Washington DC and also supports the right to bear arms.

The two positions contradict one another. DC "allow" someone to keep a disassembled gun in their home. That is NOT what the normal person believes the 2nd Amendment means. Obama introduced a gun law that banned gun sales from shops within 5 miles of a school or park. This would effectively end gun sales.

Dream on about the death penalty too. He sure did support partial birth abortions, but liberals don't consider that a death.

obama & gun rights
Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.

He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.

Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.

Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/17/politics/main2369 157.shtml
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