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Saturday, June 28, 2008
Donald Lambro :: Townhall.com Columnist
On Many Issues, Americans Favor McCain's Solutions
by Donald Lambro
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


WASHINGTON -- If the presidential election hinged on who could best protect us from terrorism, veteran Sen. John McCain would probably defeat freshman Sen. Barack Obama.

The Arizona Republican beats the Illinois Democrat by 19 points (52 percent to 33 percent) when voters are asked who would do a better job on that issue, according to the latest USA Today/Gallup Poll.

The inadvisability of answering loaded hypothetical questions aside, no wonder Charlie Black, McCain's top strategist, told Fortune magazine that the senator's stock would rise if there was a terrorist attack between now and Election Day.

On the bedrock issue of terrorism, Americans trust the decorated war veteran, fighter pilot and national-security leader far more than they do the youthful, inexperienced former neighborhood organizer from Chicago.

But terrorism is not the leading issue in the country today. It ranks fifth among the eight election issues that are most important to the American people. Obviously, it would climb to the top of the list if we were attacked, but that isn't likely to happen while George W. Bush is in the White House. Whatever his deficiencies as president, he will leave office in January with the vast majority of Americans acknowledging that "he has kept us safe" since Sept. 11, 2001.

The other seven issues in order of their importance to Americans are energy, including gas prices; the economy; the situation in Iraq; health care; taxes; moral values; and illegal immigration. They are roughly even on Iraq (43 percent to 43 percent), moral values and illegal immigration, but Obama leads McCain on health care, taxes, energy and the economy.

Some of the results of this and other polls are notable for their inherent contradictions.

For example, Obama beats McCain on who can best handle the energy crisis by 19 points -- 47 percent to 28 percent. But in other polls, voters by lopsided margins support McCain's solutions more than Obama's.

Obama blames "greedy" oil companies, futures speculators, gougers and OPEC, but Gallup Polls over the past year reveal that "the intensity with which Americans see oil companies as 'gas price villains'" has been fading." Indeed, Americans blaming the oil companies for skyrocketing gas prices fell from 34 percent to 20 percent," with even fewer blaming the oil problem on the Middle East, the Iraq war or other "oil heavies."

"Americans suggesting prices are increasing as a result of the economic forces of supply and demand increased from 10 percent to 15 percent while 6 percent now point to speculators," Gallup said. More Americans mention the shortage of oil supplies.

These are among the causes and problems that McCain points to as he proposes that we boost oil production as part of a multistep energy plan to reduce prices. Obama is patently hostile to further oil exploration and drilling.

While the USA Today poll finds Americans favoring Obama on energy over McCain, a separate Gallup Poll shows they support drilling in U.S. coastal and wilderness areas by 57 percent to 41 percent -- places that Obama says would be off-limits under his policies.

This apparent confusion suggests that the electorate still does not know enough about the candidates and the details in their agendas.

Another inexplicable anomaly in the issues being polled: If Obama is perceived as far better than McCain on most of the top problems facing the country, why does Gallup's daily-tracking poll (June 23 to June 25) of registered voters show the contest is a tossup -- 44 percent to 44 percent?

One possible reason for this discrepancy: the racial polarization in an Obama-McCain contest. An ABC News/Washington Post poll last week showed McCain leading his Democratic rival among white voters by 51 percent to 39 percent.

To be sure, this election is in its infancy, with much of the electorate still sorting through their feelings about the candidates -- a process that won't begin to get serious until after Labor Day. That's why it remains a tossup and likely will throughout the summer.

One voter statistic to watch: Obama holds a substantial lead among younger Americans, leading McCain by 59 percent to 32 percent among voters under 30. But voters in their 20s have a poor turnout rate overall and may not deliver their hoped-for windfall.

McCain, however, finds his highest support among voters in their 60s. He leads Obama by 10 percent (48 to 38) in this group and has the edge among voters in their 70s and 80s -- groups that have a high turnout rate.

Notably, though, there is little or no gender gap in voting preferences among those in their 40s, according to Gallup. This suggests that these Americans, who have high turnout rates, too, are up for grabs and could decide the election.

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Republican issues?
The Stupid Party can still defeat the Evil Party if they tell the American people how they will deal with , say 4-5 issues that will protect us both domestically and internationally. 1. CIC, yep, ole John will protect the nation, keep our military strong and may even defeat Islamofascism. The Messiah cannot. 2. SCOTUS choices and lower Appeals Courts choices. Remember, a Prez usually has about 200 plus lower federal court appointees as well as SCOTUS. McCain could actually make real change for the better for originalism. 3. Energy: drill, build nuclear plants, refineries, cracking plants, natural gas, coal, coal shale et al. Dems want to save owls and conserve. If the Pubs can't show this silliness to the public, they deserve to lose. 4. Borders and illegals. Build the fence , man it, stop illegals now ,,,,,,then get a way to deal with the 12 million. Tell Hispanic Americans,that Dems will use them like they have black voters for nearly 70 years. Just need them at election time!!! 5. School choice. With scores so bad, even liberals might want home schooling nowadays. LOL And oh tell the public that the reason for poor schools is Dem liberalism. And that is a fact.

Bush and the Necons have not helped
Republicans used to have the market on two key points (1) spending and (2) foreign policy defense. Bush has destroyed the party on both.

I have trouble invisioning how any 8 years of a liberal president would have spent $1,000,000,000 invading a country and helping to drive out half of all of its Christians, and also passing a medicare drug bill which really is nothing more than a welfare program from big pharma.

Ok -- how again does a "democratic Iraq" help us? Is it that this country is now hostile to Christians (via policy)? Is it now that they are against alcohol? It it because it favors sharia? Was it because all of the 9/11 terrorists came from Iraq (whoops I meant Saudi Arabia and Egypt -- our friends).





McCain Polling 29% Hispanic Vote
29% of 6% of the total vote is 1.74 % of the total vote. McCain is chasing away more than that with his, "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", Amnesty.

Stupid Party, indeed.

Yeah sure
At this point, McCain has almost no chance. He has very little money compared with McCain. The media loves Obama.

I will likely vote for him because Obama has showed horrible judgment [like in his selection of friends (Ayers) a pastor (Wright) and his flirtation with Marxists and radicals in the 1980s] and because his Supreme Court picks will be Supremely radical (like Breyer who thinks there is no need for the 6th Amendment in domestic violence cases and no 2nd Amendment either).

McCain will likely go down as a Bob Dole with more of a temper and more flip-flopping.

Barr will cut into the Republican vote (that is what happens when you spend a trillion dollars on a wasteful war, and hundreds of billions on a "war on drugs"). Nobody will be cutting into Obama's vote.

Guess what else. The Bush/McCain policy of courting "hispanics" will pay great dividends. I guarantee that McCain will get about 25 to 35 percent of the "hispanic" vote.

Why in God's name is that a good amount? Isn't that still less than 50%? So, maybe this "pandering" with bad policies (open immigration, preferential treatment for "hispanics" in hiring and government contracts) has not helped much.


Ratas

That was hilarious!


Does this help McCain?

Report: McCain meets with president of Log Cabin Republicans


HOTAIR-Unconfirmed as yet by the campaign, but the LCRs say it’s so:

A source with close ties to the Log Cabin Board of Directors provided information about the meeting to GayPatriot earlier this week. This source disclosed that the Log Cabin meeting was not reflected on Senator McCain’s published schedule in advance and the meeting…

Log Cabin President Patrick Sammon confirmed the meeting with Senator McCain in email correspondence with GayPatriot earlier today…

Based on published news reports, the meeting with Senator McCain would be the first between any national-level gay Republicans and a Republican Presidental nominee since “The Texas 12? met with then-Governor George W. Bush in 2000.

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/report-mccain-meet s-with-president-of-log-cabin-republicans

Ratso
You are too funny.You have Mercy,Mercy pegged.You have his number. Either he is smoking some wild weed or he has his 'ups and downs'. I read a couple of his posts today and they were fairly easy to read. Didn't make much sense,but the punctuation was passable.

Maybe when he's high,he writes weird stuff.Then when he comes down,it's legible.


Peter J. Wirs here.

Hi there Fellow republicanz,

Peter J. Wirs here.

Yes, That lowlife townhall didn't put my latest column up, they stupidly said i was gertting too muck negative feadback.

A kind poster allowed mi to post unner his name. He aslo said he wuddunt correct eny spelin eras.

He said, he was doing it just to make fun of me, Hahahaha what a joker.

Enyway, I will have to make this short. cause of 2000 werd limt.

we has to git behund Joan McCain or we loose to barry o farry.

Joan Mc IS HERO. member those badge in USSR? 'IS HERO' ?

Joan ware wun! Hes hero, barry o farry nut be.

it thet simple .

yu has to vote fur mclaim or yer are trater.

i dont now abut drillin orl, an i don no bout eco-nommy, all's i now is joan is tru conservabive

ef yu vote udderwise yu ar kill amerika.

Peter J. Wirs, Esq.

then yu for yer suppord.

HaroldReimann
Kudoes to you. There are not too many people left who are immune to the thought police indoctrination. It is refreshing to come across someone so fearless as to buck PC intimidation and make a joke about blacks.

wobbie translations...
Some new ones here...


For your edification, I have translated a few of wobbie's more common phrases.

MY qualifications.

I was the main military decoder during WWI, WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam.
Sherlock Holmes and I discussed this just last night and %&@@

OH NO ! OH NO ! I am doomed! I spent too much time in wobbie's head !!
Save Me, save me....

~~~

Not 'Naval' Captain, he meant 'Navel' Captain.


"...29" = in 'screen name', he's bragging about his IQ of 29, having been beaten out by every quadruped except 'Three Toed Sloth'.

'My Team (oops let THAT out)' = All the people Soros hired to post under 'wobbie'

'later/latter' = Off to Wiki, to copy-paste several articles of 'smart-stuff'

'Night rounds' = i heard a mouse squeek and so, upstairs to mommy

'New Girl Friend' = mommy found inflatable doll at garage sale (slightly used)

"Wonder Woman" = mommy found inflatable doll at garage sale (slightly used)

'Went Flying' = my cousin told me to sniff 'this' and you can fly

'My Net Friend' = That nice Hul Donkyhoo who keeps sticking up for me

'Smart People' = Hul Donkyhoo, Daft, Butte, Peachbus, Athie Provo, Kinky L, Mydoggy,

'Code Pink' = My favorite people, and pink my favorite color (see my panties)

'Best Game' = When Hul and I pretend to be each other. LMAO

'Off for lunch' = Check navel for leftovers. I'm Captain of my navel.

'Bedtime' = Off to Wiki, to copy-paste several articles of 'smart-stuff'

' 4F ' = Don't know what this means, better check on it in Wiki

'Will' = hey, he thinks like I do, (wonder if he has a steady friend?)

'Man are you dumb' = Gee, i wonder what he meant?

'Off Line' = Off to Wiki, to copy-paste several articles of 'smart-stuff'

'On Line' = Doing my best to irritate everyone.

'Fly Speak' = That IS my perfume, even if I have to 'dump' it myself.





Wow, Chris

I'm not sure.

An exercise in good taste by TH?


missing posts
I was all wound up Thursday night to do a little Wirs bashing, but his loppy little head didn't show up. Bummer.


I also noticed almost all of Bill O'Reilly's columns are gone, including an idiotic one from 6/14 where he was calling for the government to fix the oil price problem.

What's up with that?

MRC
MRCMRC
Location: MN

Reply # 76
Date: Jun 28, 2008 - 8:07 AM EST Subject: seawolf
and every poll indicates that he will. good for him. bucking the odss that way. of [c]ourse the polls are hopeledssly biased towards the left to about the same degree that the media is biased towards the ledt. so dont count those

~~~
MRC, you are slipping your disguise...

You STILL have most everyone else snowed.
Rats
(and mice)
~~~~~~

Another topic...

MRCMRC
Location: MN

Reply # 39
Date: Jun 28, 2008 - 12:27 PM EST jeffrey p
is there any question about it. besides that everyone should know that obama is a n+++er.

~~~

MRC, you are gaining my interest.

You pretended to be illiterate. You pretended to be obtuse. You pretended to be extreme 'Far-Left'.

I outed you, with several posts you made a few days ago. And, I might add, I was VERY amused that you had sucked So many people into your web.

Good Job, Dude, or Dudette!

I now have a specific request for you:
Your 12:27 post about the racist remark (above), is one that I have seen you make twice.

I searched for a 'jeffrey p', and found nothing. May I assume some racist a-hole actually made statements to that effect, was flagged and banned?

May I suggest that you, for the benefit those of us on odd work hours, that you copy and paste the offending quote so us latecomers, will know that it is NOT YOU saying it?

I personally feel, that I know YOU would never say anything so disgusting, as I have followed your writings for a long time, and have noticed that you often post things that are VERY intelligent.

I only know this because it was facinating to decode your writings.

Few have others made the attempt.

Please keep up the good work,

Rats
(and mice)






Retired Geek
You're kidding ,of course. Right? Maybe just a little sarcasm?

Rowly
Thanks - your opinion is important to me.

Michelle is no one to mess with! ha ha

TRUTH
Donald it is extremely unlikely, that anything in this article is more than wishful thinking.When the next economic shoe drops,mid- September,everyone will know, that "Change" is unavoidable!But,you keep wishing and "HOPING".

ASP.NET using C#/VB.NET programming
- Why don't you get programming standards team to do your visual layout, learn some CSS standards.

- Why don't you programmers hold real Joint Application Development sessions.

- Why is that when I submit and it postback to the server it doesn't render the data dynamically. But I have to refresh every time and it postback. What are you using a Microsoft Access Database to hold your data?

-Why don't you programmers at TownHall learn some AJAX technologies using asynchronous calls to client side Javascript functions

- I forgot these programmers were outsourced to Venezuela.

- Was Jorge Bush the project manager of this development team?



Got to go.
Another thunderstorm

McCain Is Still For Amnesty

John McCain has not changed his mind about "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", amnesty, at all.

http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/28/b loggers_press_mccain_adviser_on_immigration
“John McCain’s position on immigration is very clear and this a question that gets asked at townhall appearances everyday in media appearances and has answered the question at least a thousand times before the New Hampshire primary,” Schmidt said.

He explained, “Any person who supports John McCain’s campaigns is a subscriber to John McCain’s views"

A vote for McCain is a vote for surrender of your country.

Your vote for McCain will be used as proof that you want amnesty.



Many of us see another amnesty as the end of the Republic, the stampede it will set off will be overwhelming. If we don't stop the inundation none of the rest matters. We'll be a banana republic before the jihadis can get us. There will never be another GOP president or Congressional majority. Importing voters for the socialists is as stupid as it gets.


McCain keeps saying "Secure the border first". We know that he means amnesty next. The plan is to get the border state Gov's to declare the border secure. Conveniently, they are all on board the cheap labor express. Then his good friend Ted Kennedy will bring back McCain/Kennedy and McCain can provide his good friends across the aisle with their new permanent majority.

I will not vote for amnesty.

The new programming here SUCKS!!!!
To finish, those were MCCAIN'S landmark liberal accomplishments. Imagine if those really were Obama's bills? He wouldn't just be mis-labeled as a Marxist, he would be the devil incarnate!

Why Obama CANNOT win in November
Obama/Kennedy
Obama/Feingold
Obama/Leiberman
Obama/Leibernman/Warner (Cap and Trade)

Oh! Wait a minute!

Those are MCCAIN'S

Retired Geek
Better than Letterman's. Of course #1 tops them. As the saying goes...((((If mama ain't happy...ain't nobody happy))))...

Obama - How to be Successful
Obama's Top Ten Rules to Live by.

10) Comprehensive means the absence of opposition to Democrats.

9) Compassion without coercion is useless.

8) Never ask when you can use the government to take.

7) If a government program fails, repeat.

6) A liberal without guilt is no liberal at all.

5) Global Warming yields more cash than pointing a gun.

4) Moral choice is a complex personal issue that is better defined by focus groups.

3) To each according to his ability to work the system.

2) Only fools say what they really believe.

1) Never cross Michelle Obama.

Rowly
As it stands right now I will be voting for Barr and what ever 3rd party candidate is running against Grahamnasty since the Dems are not even fielding a cadidate.

I may vote for a Republican rnning against the Dem in my district but, even if they run one, it is a lost cause. I am in one of those gerrymandered districts that guarantee a Dem.

Thinking people and the World
Thinking people realize through reason and logic that the hardest world to change is their own.

Those unable to evaluate their own problems, focus on everyone elses problems.

The only 'world' that one is responsible to change and has absolute control of changing is their own 'world'.

The mantra of the 'loser' in America is that someone or something has caused my problems NOT ME.

The American citizen is responsible for their decisions and actions - losers say that someone else is responsible for my decisions and actions.

The core question that separates America politically is:

Democrats believe that Individuals 'ARE NOT' responsible for their decisions and actions.

Republicans believe that Individuals 'ARE' responsible for their decisions and actions.

That little three letter word 'NOT' is the great divide in America - race, gender, sexual preference and class are only symptoms of 'NOT' responsible.

Liberals and their reason and logic
Liberals and They
I used to scratch my head in wonderment that Liberals were for killing babies and against executing murderers.

I think maybe I have an answer.

The two positions are actually congruent and are parallel in liberal thinking.

Liberals and Democrats believe that no one is responsible for their own actions and choices.

Men and women who do not practice birth control and become pregnant know that it is the babies fault and the baby must be destroyed.

Those who have murdered others have suffered economic problems or racial issues or poor parenting or schooling or societal injustice therefore it is society that must suffer or be destroyed.

Liberals have a core value system that is based on "It Is All About They" not "Me".

Liberals then embark on a lifelong pursuit of finding and destroying "They" instead of changing "me".

They held me back.
They discriminated.
They made me a victim.
They don't care about me.
They kept me from succeeding.
They should feed me and shelter me.

Liberals "They is "You".

Obama and National Security
"Islam can be compatible with the modern world. It can be a partner with the Christian & Jewish & Hindu & Buddhist faiths in trying to create a better world." Barak Obama 2008 Democratic Compassion Forum at Messiah College Apr 13, 2008

compatible = capable of existing together in harmony.
Islam is a 700 AD religion and has NO rights for women.

partner = to join as a partner.
Islam and the Jewish religion partners?
================================================
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Barack Obama from 'Audacity of Hope'

Obama thinks Hamas and Iran can become partners with America and Israel?

“At the “World Without Zionism” conference held in Tehran in October 2005, as the crowd chanted “death to Israel, death to America, death to England,” the Iranian President Ahminajead said...with the help of the Almighty, we shall soon experience a world without America and Zionism, notwithstanding those who doubt.”

Obama is talking about negotiating with the madman from Iran who has stated in no uncertain terms that America and Israel will be destroyed im Ahminajeads lifetime?


Vic
With all the name calling how do you keep them straight? It is what it is,Vic. This year the conservatives did not choose our nominee. Others did. Liberals,Independents,the MSM and yes,Democrats gave us McCain.

You can face the music and vote for McCain,or you can vote for another or not vote at all and let the others win. Either way, it is McCain or Obama.

If McCain had nothing going for him at all,still he would be a shield against Obama and Democrat Rule. He does have some positives. Name one Obama has....please?

I read Realclearpolitics,too. The best poll to me is Rasmussen. He is usually right. The only poll that matters is on election day and I pray that Obama will not be a winner.




Mountain Rose
Why don't you tell me if I am confused or not. Maybe you are the one that is confused with the patriot act. President Barak Obama and the Democrats will have a field day using the patriot act on anyone who dissents with their opinion including yours.

You tell me if the "Patriot Act" is patriotic? And you are calling me confused.



Hahahaha, Rowly!

See?

There's an upside to everything!


Rowley
I did just like I had done in every election since Reagan. I held my nose and voted for the lesser of the evils, or as I used to say at the time, I voted against Kerry, I did not vote FOR Bush.

All that has got us is the Republicrats drifting further and further to the left. They are in search of that mythical independent voter who doesn't make up his mind until 2 minutes before voting. In other words, they are chasing a chimera and will lose more than they gain.

If the Demoncraps had a real candidate this election would not be close. Currently RCP has O’Vomit by 5.5 pts. If they were running Sam Nunn for president instead of VP they would be ahead by 25 pts. By the same token, if the Republicrats were running a real candidate they would be ahead by 25 pts.

BrianR
Hey Brian...if you don't vote for McCain, at least you won't be in the boat with a LongRifle29.

Vic
Now,you are a southern boy.Your mom raised you to think for yourself and blow your nose,not hold it.

If you felt so bad ,why didn't you just vote for Kerry?

PPS, Rowly!

You should vote however makes you comfortable. I always urge others to consider the issues and candidates carefully, then vote their own conscience. I only control one vote: mine.

What I do is state what I'm going to do and give my reasoning. Others may, if they wish, consider what I've written and factor it into their thinking; or not, as they see fit.


But I'm reminded of the Spartans at Thermoplylae. Three hundred against the armies of Xerxes.

The Spartans lost, but they set a standard of principle and valor that stands to this day, and serves as an example remembered 2500 years later.

Another Budget Cut
Voting for McLame because he is not as far left as O’Vomit is just like congress called it a budget cut just because they didn’t raise the spending as much as they wanted or planned.

A negative is still a negative and I too have held my nose and pulled the lever for the last time with Bush.

PS, Rowly, I forgot my manners

Thanks for the kind words.

My Mom raised me better than that....


Well, Rowly,

That's actually why I write what I do. I strongly believe in what I say, and I'm concerned about the long-term future of the country.

I hope I AM influencing someone somewhere.

Don't forget; here in California I already live at the end of the road down which McCain and his ilk lead the GOP. That's exactly what I don't want for the rest of the country.

This is just like a cancer. Sometimes, the cure is pretty drastic: chemo, major surgery, radiation treatment. The patient gets cut up, and sometimes very ill.

But untreated, the cancer's invariably fatal. A much worse result.


wobbie short pistol
How many of you Leftie doofuses are sharing that computer?

Perhaps you all should practice syncronizing your writing styles.

Of course, it could just be wobbie, off his meds, letting out his multiple personalities.

wobbie
The good news is that if OBlahBlah wins, we will be handing him a lousy economy.

It is unlikely that this decline would be reversed in an ObamaNation.

Folks fantasize that he is Robin Hood, here to take from the rich and give to the poor.

However, he is really the Sheriff of Nottingham, here to take your taxes and fritter them away on nothing that will help you.

I wonder how long the popularity of the tax and spend Lefties will last?

BrianR
You know how I feel and vice versa. We have traded these same reasons before.I even thought you were right once. I no longer do.

Brian,I am older than you. Been around a long time. You may have many years to work to right this ship . I may not be so lucky.

It is fine that you have convictions and stand by them. But remember,you have young minds reading your posts who may be undecided about their vote.

You may help another who is undecided to vote like you will. Is it fair to cause them to vote for Obama and be sorry afterward?

You have influence because you write well and know your subjects. But remember this...no matter how you cut it...a vote for anyone else but McCain is a vote for Obama.


Yep, Chris

Exactly.

Nothing succeeds like success, and if McCain succeeds at winning the presidency by being a leftist RINO, that's all the GOP political hacks will care about.

That tells them loudly and clearly (in their minds) that they've hit on the formula to success.


At that point, they'll look at conservatives the same way the Dems look at Blacks. An "in the bag" constituency that they can treat like mushrooms, roll out once every four years for their votes, and ignore the rest of the time.

Thanks; I'll pass.

insisting
the only "insisting" to which the GOP will listen happens by either voting for them or not. If conservatives and libertarians vote for McCain, then "insist he do more", he and the GOP will just look at the votes and blow us off like they normally do.

Sorry, Rowly

As we've discussed before, that's exactly the same rationale that has led -- here in California -- to having flaming liberal loon Schwarzenegger calling himself a Republican and governing from the Left.

It's too late for us, but not for the rest of the country, and I refuse to vote for a RINO just because on one or two issues he's a little less bad than his opponent.

Bad is bad. When you're voting for the "lesser of evils", you're still voting for evil.

Can't do it.

My vote has to be earned -- it can't be taken for granted by ANYONE -- and McCain sure hasn't even come close.

McCain's Positives
McCain does have some positives. Obama has none. If you are a real conservative,you will take what positives you can get this year and go from there.

Sit back and give it to Obama without a fight?? Big Deal!! Anyone could do that. Get behind McCain and insist he do more for our side.

You will get NOTHING but grief from Obama and CO... We have five months to let McCain see he cannot win without us. The MSM has put us in this low place.We cannot let them win this one!!!

You owe it to the rst of us who have kept the faith and fought the fight.We have to keep fighting or go down in flames. Unlike the Phoenix,we will not rise again.


MRCMRC

The following is the loser in the presidential race:

McCain


Get used to it.

primus
good thinking. thats why its a good thing that mccain is 15 points behind. it would be a catstrophe if he were 15 points ahead. that would nmen that obama would win. amzing how useful those polls are.

not candidates.
the following are nor candidates for the GOP presidential race
giuliani,
paul, giuliani
reagan
mccain
thompson
romney
hunter
tancredo
huckabee (not rels sur abut this one)
t. thompson

getused to it.

without much fluctuation?
Mountain Rose, McCain has "fluctuated" on taxes, illegal immigration, domestic drilling and limiting the budget - all in the past year. Fairly major issues in my book.

SteveL- appealing to the base?
While McCain has been a consistant moderate without much fluctuation, OBlahBlah has been to the furthest extreme of the radical Left.

Now suddenly, OBlahBlah is pretending to be a moderate.

Talk about change!

The changes in his platform are coming fast and furious now!

Talk about hope:

He is hoping the voters are too stupid to notice.

Giuliani and limiting government
Vic, BrianR, I just did a little research on Giuliani's positions. He's quite a bit more liberal on many issues than I had realized.

I had thought he got taxes, guns and illegal immigration right, but it turns out he was between wishy-washy and just plain wrong on all those issues.

I concede the point...



And to SteveL, the GOP base has not shrunk - it has been abandon by the GOP and stayed home in 2006.

To answer your challenege, I don't think any party has ever actually reduced the size of government in America (please point out counter examples if there are any).

I would argue that the GOP after the 1994 revolution has done the best job in limiting the growth of government in the last 80 years, resulting in what was widely being called a permanent majority through 2005.

They clearly abandoned their limitation of government growth once Bush took office, though, and once terrorism ceased to be the primary issue for voters, the big government GOP got thrown out in 2006.

Patriot Act Paranoia
Since we are now beginning to see the connection between the radical Leftie Losers and the radical Islamie Baloneys, it becomes clear why the Lefties are so paranoid about the Patriot Act.

The Lefties have been working like termites in the American Ship of State for decades, hoping that she will eventually sink, making way for the paradise that Karl Marx promised them.

Too bad for them that they were so hot and heavy into the connection with Islamic radicals who share their vision.

They had an ally in the Clinton administration that made it impossible for our intelligence agencies to track their activities. They had many sympathizers who had infiltrated the State Department.

They thought they were getting away with it.

Then came the Patriot Act, and they started trembling in the Birkenstocks.

Primus
While I consider myself, best as I can tell, closely aligned with the majority of your positions, I have to say that flagging posts as "offensive" (a liberal word if there ever was one) flies in the face of what conservatives believe in.

HaroldReimann does indeed seem to be a major arse (as was Wobbie) but he has every right to be one. He can post his opinions and his comments no matter how distasteful we may find them to be. It is his First Amendment right. It behooves those with differing opinions to debate those like HR to factually disprove their statements and show them the error of their ways. This is why I was unhappy when Wobbie got the boot (though his case with impersonating an officer, etc. was dispicable).

Certainly you Sir have the mental capacity to refute HR and make him look like the simpleton he is rather than relying on some censor to outlaw speech with which you do not agree.

I just see this happening more and more here at TH. The libs and nutcases irritate me too but they are part of what makes these threads so interesting.

Sam- you are obviously confused
We are not Islamic.

We are not extremists.

But you already knew that, didn't you? Like most Lefties, you can't stand to let a moment go by without making up a lie.

Vic- thanks for the heads up
I am convinced that there is a link between the Lefties using the courts to tear down Western civilizations, and the Islamie Baloneys doing the same thing.

If you take a look at Barak Obama, and his connections through his activist church, you realize where the tie in is located.

A group that includes America haters such as William Ayers and Black Muslim activists, such as Louis Farrakhan, demonstrates how the radical Lefties are tied into the radical Muslims.

Thanks to Obama, the connection is obvious.

Hahahaha, SteveL

You keep trying to sell that same myth, over and over again.

And it's a bald-faced lie.

Reagan most certainly DID get elected on a platform of true conservative values, in which he cheerfully and unapologetically believed -- and he was a True Believer -- and in which he communicated his belief to the rest of the country.

Was he able to implement all the policies he wanted? Nope. He was saddled with a hostile Congress throughout his administration.

But I always find your posts along that line simply hilarious; a pathetic attempt to rewrite history.


for BrianR
"And the real bottom line, for Chris, is that the ultimate determinant of true conservatism is rooted in the social issues, not the fiscal or foreign/defense issues."

That's too bad.

Because Reagan did NOT get elected that way in 1980.

The social issues were motivators for the bedrock faithful. But they couldn't get enough working-class people to vote Republican. Reagan won them over by promising to end stagflation and restore America's greatness in the world after the humiliations of Afghanistan and Iran.

You insist on having the GOP nominate a candidate who appeals to the base (including you). Without giving any thought to the fact that the base has now shrunk to the point that it cannot deliver victory for that candidate anymore.

You don't have the clout you had 8 years ago. And everybody else knows it. That's why the GOP is forced, FORCED, to nominate candidates who appeal to voters who are not like you.


for chris
chris writes: "A challenge for you who think I should hold my nose and vote McCain: Name a historical example of a party moving left, then back right (to smaller government) without first getting whipped at the ballot box."

I'll answer that with a challenge of my own: Name any political party in America that ever got RE-ELECTED after cutting the size of government.

It's never happened. Reagan didn't cut the size of government. Gingrich didn't cut the size of government.

I have learned the hard way from history that Americans don't want the social safety net shredded. And yet that's the lion's share of the cost of government by far--entitlements.

Oh, you can legitimately demand that the GOP cut earmarks and pork to various districts. But eliminate Social Security or Medicare? Forget it! Ain't gonna happen. This dream that some conservatives have of repealing the New Deal must be abandoned. It's here to stay, whether they like it nor not.

Sam and Vic (and Chris)

You've both essentially said the same thing I did in different words.

We're all on the same page.

And the real bottom line, for Chris, is that the ultimate determinant of true conservatism is rooted in the social issues, not the fiscal or foreign/defense issues.


The True Definition of neocon
is a Democrat who switched parties because of the pacifist inclination of today's party. The kept their liberal outlook on everything else. The like to tax and psend, they like big government, they like eco-idiot policies, but they still like involvement in foreign affairs and use of the military. Basically a Sam Nunn Democrat that switched parties.

Mountain Rose
The Mark Steyn case is closed. The Canadian human rights commision dropped the charges because they were about tlo take a major licken'.


BrianR
The true definition of a neo-con is one that embraces socialism/communism with never ending wars.

Writers like Donald Lambro are propagandist. Talk show hosts like the phony libertarian (Neil Bortz), Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, etc. are propaganda mouthpieces of the government establishment.

Hannity, Ingraham, Bortz, R. Limbaugh will be remembered as the "BENEDICT ARNOLD's" of the United States as they duped their listeners into this phony conservatism.

Nobody listens to these people anymore. More people listen to alternative talk radio that is re-streamed every hour with hard accurate information.

gcnlive.com gets more hits than Laura Ingraham's website , who is syndicated nationwide. (alexa.com - Traffic Search)

Alex Jones has more hits and listeners (4.5 million on the web on a weekly basis) on his re-streamed 4 hour show on the internet. The old neo-con propaganda talk shows are falling apart, they are becoming passe.

Noticed the shortage of comments here at Townhall lately. People have woken up.

Wikepedia definition of Neo Cons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative





McCAIN COULD WIN the ENERGY ISSUE IF:
McCain goes to Iraq and :

1) Claim surge has worked and we'll win in Iraq if he's elected but lose if Obama is elected.

2) Have Malaki make a deal to sell 100% of Iraq's oil exclusively to the U.S. at $5 below market price for next ten years and we'll keep enough troops in Iraq to stabilize his government.

3) During those 10 years start converting coal and shale oil to oil and drill off shore.

McCain then goes to Alaska

4) and with the Republican female Alaskan Governor Paline view the desolation of ANWR

5) McCain then lets her "convince" him that States Rights should apply and that the people of Alaska should make the decision regarding drilling in ANWR

6) McCain should also go to the coal states and push for coal to fuel oil production, available at $40 per bbl.

7) He should educate the citizens that we have 800 BILLION recoverable barrels of oil in shale recoverable at $35 per bbl.

Mountain Rose - Islamic Extremist?
Islamic Extremist has been the scapegoat for Bush/Cheney/McCain the last 8 years. That is why Cheney is moving to Dubai, after his tenure is up. This is a fact that Cheney is moving residence to Dubai after 2009.

McCain has no intention of letting up on the borders.

John McCain is the "terrorist" along with Barak Obama.

The Republicans are the "ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS" along with the Democrats. You have the wrong enemy.


Yep, Chris, Vic pegged it, and so

did you in your own post.

Giuliani was super-liberal on social issues. That makes him a mega-RINO.

The definition of neo-con is someone conservative on fiscal and/or foreign policy/defense issues while being liberal on social issues. Great examples: Medved, McCain, Giuliani, Kristol, people like that.

By definition, it's the social issues that distinguish neo-cons from true or paleo-cons.

That's one of the problems for the GOP; it's been hijacked by the neo-cons. Nowdays they're called RINOs instead of neo-cons, because the term "neo-con" somehow started picking up anti-semitic overtones.


If McCain wants to protect us from
Islamic Extremists, then he needs to get off the Globalist bandwagon.

Letting the floodgates open and letting in masses of immigrants, both legal and illegal, is as destructive to American culture as Islamisists blowing up buildings.

Recently, in France, as hordes of Islamic immigrants pour into the country, activist judges are starting to rule according to Sharia Law.

An Islamic man in France was allowed to divorce his wife on the grounds that she wasn't a virgin when they married (I'll bet a Christian would not be allowed to use this excuse).

In Canada, Mark Steyn is being tried for making statements that might hurt the Islamies widdle feewings.

In England, some Christian evangalists were tossed out of a section of a muslim neighborhood by the POLICE, because they were committing a "hate crime." They were told if they went there again, they were likely to get beaten up.

Westerners are so dim-whitted, that they can't see how the Islamie Baloneys are taking a page out of the Leftie Loser playbook, using activist judges and obnoxious behavior to take over.

What good is being a nice guy, if your culture is stolen out from under you?

HaroldReimann
Even if your 10:19 comment about slavery was meant as a joke - it was a poor one and has no place here at Townhall.

I have flagged it as offensive and encourage others to do so.

Keep smoking that crack Donald Lambro
Keep smoking that crack Donald. Certainly McCain is smoking crack on the trail. That crack came from Mexico.

Like voting for an ink blot
Most voters see what they want to see. RINOs don't want to look too close and the McCain camp wants to keep it that way so it's going to be nothing but fear-mongering and race-baiting from now until November. Of course, there is a convention coming up, a last chance for the GOP to get it right. There is nothing anyone can do to prevent the slaughter that is coming in Congress. But we could have divided government and glorious gridlock were GOP to offer someone who is not the ultimate GOP backstabber. The only hope we have is to vote 3rd party to neuter the next president with high turnout but no mandate.

Lilys
You are SO correct that this issue could be the "touchstone" for victory in November if McCain has the political savvy to really capitalize on it. (And some Congressional GOP candidates).

Wouldn't it be great if the MSM unwittingly assisted McCain through their constant "America is doomed" drumbeat over gas prices?

Imagine that the electorate's focus is the gas pump, and how hard their wallets are being pinched - and the Dem candidate thinks prices are not high enough???

The Perfect Storm.

On Many Issues McCain Is Wrong
Illegal aliens, Gitmo, cap and trade, no drilling in ANWR, and on and on. He's a Democrat in the wrong party.

Baffling
The voters want to drill, but favor Obama on energy policy????? MCCain has a winning hammer here, but he has got to pound with it. The MSM has the voters so confused they are running in circles. A mere 15% think supply and demand has major influence on price of gas? Howling Hannah, we're doomed unless the electorate wakes up.

chris
RINO Rudy was liberal on nearly every position. He is actually more liberal than Mclame.

lilly
I'm glad you are back at your keyboard.

I'd swear your posts were satire if I didn't know how seriously you believe the liberal pablum.

Pay attention, Taft. At age 47, you still have a chance at recovery from liberalism, but the clock is ticking.

"lilly" provides a picture-perfect example of what untreated liberalism looks like in later years.

The character issue
"Obama is the more highly regarded of the two candidates on a number of positive personal and leadership characteristics, ranging from his empathy for average Americans, to his political independence, to his ability to solve the nation's problems. He leads McCain by a significant margin on 7 of 10 characteristics tested in the recent poll; he roughly ties McCain on two, and trails McCain on only one."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108418/Obama-Beats-McCain-Most-C haracter-Ratings.aspx

People vote for a man, not a set of policies as Lambro implies. How flat all these stale guilt-by-association stories about Michelle, Ayers, Wright, Rezko etc have fallen with real Americans.

McCain's best hope is another Terror (Neocon Central/AIPAC Productions, TM) attack just before the poll.

Love What They Say
We all love what McCain says. Don't we? I liked what W Bush said also. Fiscal responsibility. Free trade. You know. But Bush went on to out of control spending especially with the Medicare drug intergenerational wealth transfer and his anti-free trade farm bills and steel tariffs.

But I love what he said. Unfortunately McCain will be under pressure from the same far right idiots that made the Bush administration the disaster that it is.

Recent Gallup Poll had...
... Obama up by 15 points over McCain.

24 years ago, this same poll had Mondale up by 18 points over Ronald Reagan.

5 months later, Mondale lost in a gigantic landslide, winning only his home state.

If history repeats itself, this does not bode well for Obama.

The only "poll" that counts is November 4th.

Lilly
"Obama is youthful? "

I'm the same age as Obama, 47, and I like don't usually feel youthful. He is also older than Teddy Roosevelt.

BrianR, why do you call Guiliani
a mega-RINO?

I would have voted for him dispite his socially liberal positions with which I disagree.

He would have been as good as McCain on foreign policy, and much much better on economics.

The RINO sellout will be revenged
Americans are deeply concerned about their jobs being stolen by the immigrants McLame welcomes; very worried about their homes being repossessed as the economy tanks, thanks to the idiot wars McCain wants more of; alarmed about the rising cost of gas when Mccain bats for the polar bears and for war with Iran, which would send crude oil over the $200/barrel line.

Yeah, McCain the self-confessed economic ignoramus, still the same at 71-- just the guy to cope with an economy going off a cliff.

Americans are DEcreasingly concerned about the "War on Terror" and firmly antiwar because it's coming up to seven years since the last strike, and more and more of us suspect the causes and timing of those 911 incidents anyway.

Sorry, Republicans. You could have chosen a real small-state anti-interventionist Constitutional conservative. You chose one of the globalist bad guys instead. Nemesis is on November 4. A number of GOP incumbents in Congress are not sticking around that long.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com


BrianR, why do you call Guiliani
Guil

seawolf
and every poll indicates that he will. good for him. bucking the odss that way. of ourse the polls are hopeledssly biased towards the left to about the same degree that the media is biased towards the ledt.so dont count those

McCain will win hands down
because there are still enough of us left in this country who value heroism, patriotism and service to the country.

In perilous times we will not allow this land we love to be handed over to a lightweight liberal like obama who is either more naive than carter or a puppet of the extreme left and the America haters like soros and his gang.

We don't know this guy expect by his empty rhetoric, we do know he'll sell us out and raise our taxes for more BS social programs for the recipient class, but we know Mccain and his service and sacrifice are legendary. He has fought against wasteful spending of our money for 24 years and has never put an earmark in a bill.
When kerry ran, the men he served with came out against him in droves to prove he was unfit to be CinC. Every man who suffered alongside Mccain in the Hanoi prison supports him unreservedly for president....kind of tells you all you need to know about the character of the man.

The troops in the field today and the retired guys like me love the man, we might not always agree with him, but we know leadership and greatness when we see it, we trust him to be there when the chips are down because he has proven himself repeatedly. Obama couldn't lead me to the latrine, but I would go into battle with John McCain any time.

Vic is right - McCain has no soul.
Let's look at Lambro's 8 issues:

Terror - McCain is better than Obama, but he has been flaky and/or squeamish about doing what needs to be done with captured terrorists, who should have no rights under our constitution or the Geneva Conventions.

Energy - opposed domestic drilling. Still opposes drilling in ANWR. Proposed SILLY gas tax holidays and a $300,000,000.00 boondoggle to support a battery on which the market has already placed a much higher bounty.

The economy - apparently thinks the word "profit" has four letters. Thinks he knows how much CEOs should be paid better than stock-holders. Admits he's no expert.

The situation in Iraq - It looks like he's got that one right.

Health care - he's certainly right to oppose universal health care.

Taxes - now claims to be for tax cuts, but voted against Bush's in 2001 and 2003 for all the wrong reasons.

Moral values - one cheer for being against abortion. Not respectable in his personal life. For fetal stem-cell research and the government funding of it.

Illegal immigration - FAIL!


So that's maybe two out of eight issues that he MIGHT be good on. Now, that's better than Obama's score of zero, but still LOUSY!

A challenge for you who think I should hold my nose and vote McCain: Name a historical example of a party moving left, then back right (to smaller government) without first getting whipped at the ballot box. If you can do that, I'll think about voting McCain instead of Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin.

Lambro's getting desperate.
I am not supporting Obama.

But that does not mean I don't understand his appeal.

The nation is repulsed by the policies of the Bush administration, and you can see that everyday where the mantra is for "change".

Of course it permeates Obama's message.

But even McCain has had to coopt the message of change.

Such is the legacy of the Bush years(and the Tom Delay/Dennis Hastert legacy in the GOP congress).

By overwhelming numbers, Americans think our nation is on the wrong track.

A huge handicap for the GOP candidate to overcome.

McCain is FAR more popular than is the GOP "brandname", due precisely to his being a maverick who fought Bush and his party in the past.

McCain's best hope is to convince Americans that their sacred rights, such as the recently decided Heller decision by the Court, would be far more likely to be protected by a John McCain presidency, given the definite prospect predictable leftist jurists Ruth Bader Ginsberg and John Paul Stevens will retire, giving McCain a chance to submit moderate to slightly conservative jurists to replace them.

(You can forget getting very conservative judicial nominees confirmed with Patrick Leahy heading the Judiciary Committee).

With an Obama as president, those two leftist jurists who retire would simply be replaced by two other leftists...meaning no change.

That, and energy(specifically domestic drilling to mitigate the price hikes on gasoline), are McCain's only chances in this extreme anti-GOP environment.

Did Lambro Get Paid For Writing This?
Oh, please. Was Lambro in a hurry here or what? He has pulled out the same tired cliches. Bush has kept us safe? The 9-11 attack took place on Bush's watch. Obama is youthful? He is old enough to be a grandfather---he could respectably have a child in medical school. Oil companies aren't taking this crisis to the bank? Last week articles appeared in both New York Times and Washington Post citing chapter and verse of how the economy in Houston, Texas is skyrocketing due to oil profits. And to assume that something McCain did half a century ago---surviving prison camp---somehow qualifies him to be President now is like saying that Shirley Temple should win the Oscar this year for her movie performance in 1935.

mccain win???
perhaps the columnist is right. i havent sat down and counted, one for mccain one for oa=bama, except in counting poll numbers numbers . they show that obama is favored by at least 18 last i heard i undrstand that the RNC has given mccain a month to bring this disparity down to something they would now consider manageable and that after the convention it had better be no more than 10 points or they have told him they will start using RNC money in congresional races where thy might have a chance insread of on his campaign they really wanted and voted for 7 points but were dissuaded at the last minute.

Vic
That was a pretty insightful post and true.

No good outcome
Obama is going to surrender US independance to the UN, while McCain is going to surrender US independance to the North American Union.

The citizens of the US have no say. Looks like we're going the way of Rome quicker than estimated.


Could it be that the
voters recognize that on most of these issues McLame has changed his position for the election? You see they favor his proposed solutions like drilling but know that he has long opposed drilling.

In other words, going by his record he is about the same as O'Vomit and that is why it is a tossup.

Why is Moral Issues Ranked So Low?
It seems that whoever you took these polls from valued money more than morals.

That is the GOP's problem this year with this president election which they will lose.

An why is foreign policy so important? I mean, don't get me wrong I think we should help our allies and be involved in the world, but most of our important issues are domestic, and if republicans keep ignoring this, it will not be good.

Oback Arama, Welfare, and Minimum Wage
I’m Oback Arama and I’m running for President. I have hope that in America we can return to the glorious Democrat War on Poverty. Sure this program spent trillions but if you will give me a filibuster proof congress, I promise to spend even more. I know that most of these programs were a failure and that by all but Democrat calculations we lost that war but that’s because we didn’t spend enough money. If we can spend a zillion dollars putting a man on Mars, then we can certainly spend a gazillion dollars to win the War on Poverty. I vow to spend every bit of change we have if I must to win this war. That’s change I can believe in.
Next I will push a bill through Congress raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour. That will give more people more money to spend which will increase spending and increase business receipts to help business owners pay the greater wages. So everyone wins. If people get laid off, we’ll just put them on welfare and pay them the same amount. My ultimate goal is to raise the minimum wage to $100 which will increase economic activity so much that everyone will have a flat screen television in every room in their $200,000 house. You may say, “hey Oback, how come you get to have that house in Chicago worth over a million and my house is only worth $200,000”. To that I must say, “I am Oback Arama.”
I have hope that these bold changes back to past failed policies will work this time. I want to bring Red State and Blue State America together. With a filibuster proof majority in congress, we the Blue State majority will cram these programs down the throats of the Red State minority. Now that’s the kind of unity that works for me and change that I can believe in. I have hope that we will have the courage to remake America as it should be: a nation where we can all come together and call each other “comrade”. Can we do it? Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can! I’m Oback Arama and I approved this message.
http://obackarama.blogtownhall.com/

I don't know why?
People trust Obama more on taxes and the Economy.Obama's economic plan would lead to a deep recession,plus Obama voted to raise taxes on everybody making $31,850/year or more up to 50%,so imagine if you gross $32,00/year you'd only take home about $16,00/year if Obama gets elected.
My vote is for McCain,he'll let me keep more of my own money,Obama thinks that government knows how to spend my earned money better than I do.
Obama is a reincarnation of Jimmy Carter,if you weren't around when Carter was President,thank God you weren't.Iran loved Carter,just like they probably do Obama.

Bryon Harrelson
Whiteville,NC

Well, the title sure doesn't reflect the

contents of the column.

False advertising, I'd say.

It looks to me that at best, for McCain, it's a toss-up.

The racial aspect stats are interesting. It seems that this election was the Democrats' to lose, and that if they do, it will be because they nominated Obama instead of Hillary in an era when there's still enough bigotry to matter in this case.

Of course, she's incredibly polarizing, so maybe not.

This was definitely an election in which the GOP had a slam-dunk on their hands with anyone except McCain or Giuliani, the two mega-RINOs.

Romney would have waltzed away with it, and he wasn't even my favorite. At least I could have voted for him.

For One Group This Is All About Race
Mr. Lambro offers, "An ABC News/Washington Post poll last week showed McCain leading his Democratic rival among white voters by 51 percent to 39 percent."

Mr. Lambro, how about non-blacks? I bet McCain leads in that group, also. The non-blacks, which does in deed include Whites, among others, seem to give Obama a fair shake. Quit buying into the White hates Black MSN propaganda.

The real prejudice is in the Black vote: over 90 percent for Obama! How can that be? Unless Blacks are voting color over substance. For now, they are the tipping point. But, what do I know, I thought OJ was guilty.

What About The Other Six?
You mentioned seven issues most imporant to Americans but only covered one. Is it because McCain is weak on the others? I think so.
Obama is incompetant and a socialist and McCain is waivering and not trustworthy.
God help America.
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