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Thursday, May 01, 2008
Donald Lambro :: Townhall.com Columnist
America Should Be 'Oil' For More Drilling
by Donald Lambro
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WASHINGTON -- The law of supply and demand is the oldest and wisest axiom in free-market economics. Exceed the demand for something by overproduction and the price will fall. Sharply reduce its supply in the face of very robust demand, and the price will go up. Congress, well-meaning environmentalists, government regulators and assorted Malthusians seem to have forgotten this simple, fundamental rule, and the result is $120-a barrel-oil and $4-a-gallon gasoline.

The United States and the global economy will need a great deal more energy in the decades to come. It is said that within the next two decades we'll need about 40 percent more energy than we used in 2005. No one disputes this, and that figure is probably wildly underestimated. For the present time there are only a few major energy resources that can meet our needs until we develop new sources of power.

Oil is one area where we can significantly, safely and cleanly boost our supply in the years to come if we set ourselves on a course to encourage more oil exploration and more refineries. I totally agree with economics writer Robert J. Samuelson's commonsense, long-term supply and demand solution to the problem of ever-rising oil prices: "Start drilling." In the murky, demagogic debate over energy, his words were a fresh breeze amidst an overabundance of hot air.

"Any unexpected rise in demand or threat to supply triggers higher prices," Samuelson recently wrote in The Washington Post. "The best we can do is to try to exert long-term influence on the global balance of supply and demand. Increase our supply. Restrain our demand," he wrote.

It probably comes as a shock to most people that the United States is the world's third-largest oil producer. (Saudi Arabia and Russia hold the top two spots.) We produce a lot of oil and can produce much more. But we have hamstrung our oil industry by forbidding further drilling in Alaska, (where the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge could possibly provide for as much as 5 percent of our current oil needs) or in offshore oil fields in the Atlantic, Pacific and the Gulf where vast resources are believed to exist.

We have to get over this political myopia about oil companies and the money they make. Exploration and drilling is enormously expensive and requires vast amounts of money. The oil and natural gas (is there a more abundant energy source than natural gas?) industry says it has spent $1.25 trillion since 1992 on exploring, production, refining and distribution.

But instead of focusing on how can we increase oil and gas supplies, the Democrats in Congress, sounding increasingly like Hugo Chavez, have been working to reduce supply in the face of constantly rising demand. To wit: they've said no to more exploration, and have been pushing for higher taxes on oil companies to recoup what they call "excess profits." Such policies make us more dependent on foreign oil while throttling supply, which in turn has contributed to high prices at the pump.

There's nothing wrong with the price of gasoline that a few dozen new refineries cannot cure, but we haven't built new refineries for several decades, and that's why gasoline inventories have been playing a costly, precarious game of catch-up with demand. Just the threat of a storm in the Gulf that might shut down a few rigs has traders bidding the price of limited supplies higher and higher.

There's a third source of cheaper energy that would help make us less dependent on foreign oil: nuclear power. But here again the people who run Congress continue to pander to environmentalists, who have set up one obstacle after another to prevent additional plants from being built.

France gets most of its energy needs from nuclear power. So can we. The Nuclear Energy Institute says America's 104 nuclear power plants are responsible for 54 percent of the electric sector's voluntary greenhouse-gas reductions. We need to build more nuclear plants in order to provide an inexhaustible supply of electric power for centuries to come. Power companies have filed permits to build such plants in Virginia, Texas, North and South Carolina, Maryland, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia, but, here again, they face huge obstacles from environmentalists, and it could take years to overcome the legal and political hurdles placed in their way.

Meanwhile, America is being taken to the cleaners by needlessly high oil and gas prices caused by congressional ignorance and inability to come to grips with the only viable solution: Start boosting energy supplies and the cost to consumers will come down.

A do-nothing Congress that has been AWOL on energy could prove a very effective issue for the Republicans in this election year. I can see TV ads, reminiscent of the GOP ads in the 1980s, saying, "The Democrats are out of gas" as summer prices shoot through the roof and an angry electorate decides to throw the bums out.

Sadly, John McCain is opposed to drilling in ANWR, but that shouldn't stop the House and Senate Republicans from making this their issue in the congressional elections.

Indeed, Robert Samuelson has given the GOP its strongest rallying cry and its best bumper sticker for the fall campaign: "Start drilling."

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Exellent article -I agree with you 100%
Dang environmentalists drive to their Sierra Club meeting in their Prius's, then go home to their power hungry mansions. Look at Al Gore and all the Hollywood types for a prime example of hypocritical environmentalists.

I am sick of them.

Gas prices
I am just as disinfranchised with the gas prices as anyone else. However I think we are lucky, my Sister in Law just got back from Itlay and she said gas was 9.00 or more a gallon. They drive fuel efficient cars. We do need to do something, though I see it getting far worse rather than better!

good article
This topic should be front and center in the presidential debates... but is not.

Some times I think we have gone crazy... we fixate on all sorts of odd issues, and ignore the ones that have clear fixes available.

Yes, drill off NJ,
all around FL, up the W. coast from Baja to AL.

Build another refinery-we haven't since the 70s--or two or three or four, someplace else besides near N. Orleans, which is not safe.

Process shale oil in the West and Canada.

Go for coal gassification.

Build windmills wherever Kennedy and Kerry can see them and ruin their view. They can also be built off NJ.

When gas gets over $5 a gallon, the ANWAR Clinton wouldn't drill in 1996 because the oil wouldn't be available for 10 years (2 years ago), drilling in your backyard will look good.

They are going to drill again in PA, where the oil industry actually started in the US.

We still import 30% of our oil from the Middle East. Non-ME oil often still comes from unstable and/or dangerous places: Venezuela and Indonesia.

We should get as energy independent as possible, and that alone will guarantee us more homeland security than anyone can imagine.

Do nothing???
I agree on everything but the statement that “A do-nothing congress has been AWOL on energy”. In actuality we would have been a whole lot better off in the long run if congress had “did nothing” beginning all the way back in the 70s with the Jimmy Carter days.

Everything the congress has done has been to REDUCE the production of energy, especially when the Commiecrats have been in charge. ANWR and the curtailing of the ability to drill began with Jimmy Carter in the middle of the second oil crisis while he was advocating sweaters. When the Republicans had a majority they tried numerous times to get drilling in offshore locations and in a small portion of ANWR only to be blocked by the Commiecrats and a small number of RINOs like McLame.

Commiecrats are also responsible for blocking Nuclear Power at every opportunity and raising the taxes on gasoline at the same time allocating 20% to rapid transit in big cities. Guess what folks, if the feds pay for your buses and subways then big city tax money can be directed to other socialist projects.

And to top off the cake they are now holding hearings on gas and food prices. Cavuto asked a Senator from NY this afternoon if it wasn’t their policies which had caused these high prices. The response was the typical liberal sound bite response of “of course not and here is my anti-Repubican speech”.

I just can not believe that there are still people out there in this country who believe these lies.

this will not fly
The Dem/libs don't like facts or solutions. We need to figure out a way to make this an emotional issue and set it up to where the Dem.libs think it is their idea. Then McCain will certainly be for it.

I often wonder why Greenies don't think we should use oil which is a natural thing. I mean, what is it for? And why is it okay to let other countries "ruin" their land but not us?

This is amusing:
"They drive fuel efficient cars." $9 a gallon in Italy. So, apparently it makes no difference?

The Energy Crisis
An Other Fine Mess you got us into.

Several years ago when I heard about Willey Nelson’s push for bio-fuels, I decided to look into it. It sounded like a fairly good solution.

The first thing that I found out was that it costs more to make Ethanol than to make gasoline from crude oil. Well that was a negative right there.

Then I looked at the impact, if any, it would have on the food supply. Oh boy, that was a shocker. If 20% of corps would be diverted from to Ethanol production, we would see a huge increase in the cost of milk/milk products, beef, chicken, pork, and other goods. This is now happening. Although the cost of gas and diesel are the major cause of across the board increase in just about everything we buy, the diversion of crops to make Ethanol is also fueling the costs.

This diversion of crops affects not only the U.S. market but the whole world. The U. S. is a huge supplier of grains. We already are seeing the effects in third world countries.

There is one more negative. Ethanol fires can not be put out with water or the chemicals used for gasoline fires. Production of a substance to put out an Ethanol fire is just about non-existence. The transportation of Ethanol is going to become a great concern. This will add an additional cost to the use of Ethanol.

Ethanol is not the short or long term solution to our energy crisis or the dependents on foreign supplies. We need to develop our plentiful supply of crude. Had we not listened to the liberal “green” lobby twenty years ago, we would not be in the mess we are in now.
We have enough oil and natural gas to provide us with energy for over sixty years.

It is time to get real and start developing our own sources of energy by more drilling and exploration of crude oil.

More Oil For the United States
Dear Donald,

Your article certainly exhibits the "of a sound mind" sentiment. It is not ANWR that will cause the United States to produce more oil, or any other traditional sources. This Country's goal should be similar to the Manhattan Project or JFK's pronouncement that we "should land a man on the moon....before this decade is out.". It should be a matter of strategic national interest to all Americans.

The United States can be energy independent by 2020. All it will take is money. The $1 Trillion spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, which essentially bought us nothing, should have been invested in the infrastructure to produce at least 15 million more barrels per day. It could have purchased the infrastructure for 8-10 million barrels per day. But the idiot in the White House has the same problem Abraham Lincoln once described in the Illinois legislature, and I will paraphrase, they have/he has "interests aside from those of the American people", and "is one long step removed from an honest man."; well, he is the son of George H W Bush, a mitigating fact in his favor.

Nay more, this country can become the OPEC of the 21st century by no later than 2020, and have absolute dominance and control over the price of oil for the next 100 years at the least.

Things aren't going to get better while conservatives and all other Americans sit around acting dumb.

We need a President who will establish as a nation goal, that this Country produce all of the oil it consumed, plus a surplus of at least 10% to be exported abroad. All it is going to take is money.

Mark S

Blah Blah Blah
on and on and on and on... we just keep discussing the wrong problem.

I get really discouraged with how effed up this whole discussion is.

How about some writer talk about how the oil companies bought up competing refineries and then CLOSED THEM DOWN?

How about some writer talk about the memos they passed around about doing this and their reasons for doing this?

No... it's ALL the democrats fault, ALL the environmentalists fault... boogeymen everywhere you look.

The fact is, I agree that they are just as much to blame. In fact, no doubt the American gas & oil companies LOVE these people. The capitulation to these groups is intentional. You are being BSed that these groups have enough power alone to do what they do. Why, with a republican majority (that supposedly agrees with all of us) for 12 years couldn't this get done?

The difference is that you people want to keep pretending that these companies (including the government) WANT to give you cheap gas all the while they are lobbying in congress to limit their supply intentionally.

But, sure... carry on lying about all this and misinforming your readers.

So, let's see how many oil & gas men are going to pretend they are just average joe commentors on this thread, too.

I am really discouraged. All the facts are right there in plain sight, but by successfully making this a left/right issue -- like everything else -- NOTHING gets done about it. We just sit here and spin our wheels and get a little story to hiss about and remind us that it is the 'other guys' fault and then back to business as usual. All sides just lie and misinform and go out of their way to get you to look over THERE while the deception is right in front of you.

Where's he Beef?
The logic of this article is impeccable. The question is what in the hell stands in the way of the obvious? More than articles that state the cold hard facts with regard to immediate sources of oil to meet energy demand is what is really behind the forces avoiding the solution?

typo
I did not intend for the "T" in "the" to be silent, my bad.

More Spurious Corporate Claims
Author fails to provide any support to his basic premise that drilling in new areas reduce the price of gas by increasing the supply. He also contradicts his basic premise by saying saying "There's nothing wrong with the price of gasoline that a few dozen new refineries cannot cure", which essentially means there's no need for more drilling. But he gives his big oil patrons' whole game away in the beginning by using the phrase "sharply reduce the supply [by intentional underproduction]" rather than saying "If the supply cannot keep up".

And why does he fail to state that oil companies are already extracting as much oil as they can in areas where they already can drill for oil, unless he simply doesn't know, or knows they are not?

Why does he imply that the expenses of
oil drilling would naturally justify oil companies' profits, no matter how high they are, when there is no reason to do so?

Why does he speak on the assumption that US oil companies must sell to the global market, when they operate on US
soil and the people of the US can make them sell all their oil domestically anytime they want?

This is the kind of corporate double talk that got us NAFTA and "free trade".






Spurious at Best
Author presents a basic premise that drilling in new areas will increase the supply, but contradicts his basic premise by saying saying "There's nothing wrong with the price of gasoline that a few dozen new refineries cannot cure". But he gives the whole game away in the beginning by using the phrase "sharply reduce the supply [by intentional underproduction]" rather than saying "If the supply cannot keep up".

And why does he fail to state that oil companies are already extracting as much oil as they can in areas where they already can drill for oil, unless he simply doesn't know, or knows they are not?

Why does he imply that the expenses of
oil drilling would naturally justify oil companies' profits, no matter how high they are, when there is no reason to do so?

Why does he speak on the assumption that US oil companies must sell to the global market, when they often operate on US soil and the people of the US can make them sell all their oil domestically anytime they please?

This is the kind of dim witted corporate double talk that got us NAFTA and "free trade".






America should be "oil" for more drillin
Mark Twain said it best: "Suppose you were an
idiot, and a member of Congress, but I repeat
myself".

Oil In the Arctic
Oil companies refuse to invest in refineries because it's expensive, and the country demands we have clean air. They would rather reap in record profits, profits higher than any business in history.

Vindex is right
The real problem is that the globalist power in this country wants to break us. One globalist I read said we don't have enough shortages! They need a precipitating event/events in order to get Americans to accept the NAU.


“But if more nations achieved independence in food production, much of the impetus for world gov would disappear faster than a freeloader when the check arrives. In order for the Rockefellers to achieve their New word Order, first they must create famines and the fear of further suffering. All that is required to create a famine is to put all agriculture under control of gov. bureaucracy, then wait awhile. The bigger the bureaucracy, the shorter the wait, and international bureaucracy is the 'ne plus ultra' in producing red tape instead of wheat." (substitute oil or any other commodity)


In that context everything happening makes sense. Collapse of the dollar, housing bubble/collapse, rising food costs...all of it.

Headline on Drudge today..."Gulf States may drop currency pegs to dollar, Kuwait Finance minister says"

I doubt they would do that without US gov approval. If they switch to Euro we are in deep trouble, because then they will also start dumping dollars. The other countries holding them will have to also.

We are in really deep weeds and everyone wants to keep rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, over and over and over again.

Bush got us into war. If they wanted to get oil out of the ground they would be doing it. Anyone hearing the gov say they are going to back off ethanol?

Iran
"As reported earlier in the week, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is in the midst of a swing through South Asia to finalize plans for a massive oil pipeline and, perhaps more importantly, nurture a few useful relationships in the region. The trip has apparently borne fruit as evidenced by a statement from India's Foreign Secretary Shivshankar Menonin in support of Iran's nuclear program.

Following discussions about the $7.5b pipeline, among other things, the Secretary said "Iran has the right to peaceful use of nuclear energy while fulfilling her various obligations, and that the right way to do that is through the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) to assure the world that she is fulfilling her obligations." The comment comes after the U.S. urged India to take a hard line with Iran and pressure it to abandon its nuclear program and cut off funding for the terrorist activities."

India is going to do what is best for themselves.

Iran has been busy trying to get a new coalition together to challenge OPEC which he thinks is too friendly to US. He is developing other markets because both he and Chavez want to be able to cut us off.

Does anyone really think the power in this country doesn't know what is going on?


chip
"Author fails to provide any support to his basic premise that drilling in new areas reduce the price of gas by increasing the supply."

You are joking right?

Supply and Demand?

Demand vs. Supply
All the talk here has been on the side of supply - increase supply, drill more, to hell with Alaska....as if drilling in the ANWR would make a difference, the way Americans drive. Look around you. What do you see? Fat-assed Americans driving humongous SUVs down to the corner grocery to buy milk. In Texas you cannot find a car in any dealership; you have to order special. Only SUVs are allowed.

For the past six years I drive a car that gets 48 miles to the gallon. More so off the highway. It has terrific acceleration, works perfectly in the heat and in the snow. It's a Japanese hybrid .
American car manufacturers have started using hybrid engines -- but only to provide more power to SUVs. Typical.
You want something done quickly? Vote a $2 tax per gallon of gasoline. No costly drilling, no destroying the environment. Let's see how fast Americans will go for my kind of car.

Proper Pronunciation
First of all we must agree on proper pronunciation - it's called the "Awl Bidness."
Second, gas is rapidly approaching the price of bottled water!

Bits and Pieces
Does anyone remember when Union oil found oil on Govt land? They built a refinery (But). The govt Fed and state refused to allow it to operate. For years Union was allowed to produce enough product to pay for the upkeep. During the last oil shortage it was allowed to produce. Guess what folks, the govt was the seller and the price was the highest price quoted that day! Aferward, the gov bought Union out of that and of course never maintained the refinery. It is now history. This same story was repeated with Electric generating plants and when finished complained about the prices charged.

AlphaOmega
Your kind of car is not something people want by their own choice. The hybrid car is, in effect, a product concocted through a manufactured crisis that did not at all had to happen, thanks to a 30 year propaganda ministry that has continually marched on a drumbeat for fascism, only this time under the guise of man-made climate change. Never mind there is no proof of anything.

I do not agree that Congress and environmental groups, and others that Mr. Lambro talks about at the beginning of the article, forgot about the laws of supply and demand. I believe they were counting on it in their eventual effort to extend political and economic control over the American people. That is fascism.

My goodness there are a lot of
commie eco-idiots posting on this thread. All of them are either too stupid to be out of the house without a keeper or they are fools.

Hey Alpha-Omega
The Tahoe hybrid is not about more power. It is a full Hybrid system, resulting in a tremendous gain in real world fuel mileage.

Also, sales of truck based SUVs have absolutely plummeted, ever since Katrina, and this trend is accelerating. Pick up slaes are down too, as in 900,000 F series Fords sold five years ago and 600,000 of them last year.

Cars outsold trucks of all types in the USA last year for the first time in about ten years; so why don't you get the facts before you just emotionally slam "Americans" in their "fat-assed SUVs."

Vindex: Blah Blah Blah
Vindex wrote:
"I am really discouraged. All the facts are right there in plain sight. . ."

I say, vindex, all the facts are in plain sight -- IN YOUR MIND. Lay those facts out on the table so the rest of us can see them in plain sight.

Oh? Can't do that that, can you? When those facts leave your mind they become invisible, don't they?

Alpha Omega
Wow, where to begin. As another poster pointed out, people do follow the trends. Small cars are selling in greater numbers than they have in years. SUVs on the other hand are a dying breed.

You see, we are not all the idiots you enlightened enviros think we are. As for your two dollar per gallon tax, why stop there? Why not make it ten dollars or twenty? I mean as long as you dont mind paying 51 dollars for a loaf of bread, why not?

That is the thing people like you dont get: you think that if you jack up the gas prices, only those "fat SUV driving americans" will suffer.

Look around Alpha. Everything in your home or office came to you by truck. And those trucks run on petrol products. You think the truck driver who pays 300 dollars to fill up his tank just eats that cost? No, he passes it onto the rest of us. And that includes the canvas belt wearing hybrid drivers as well as those who have SUVs. As for the assertion that ANWR would not make a dent, try reading some USGS reports on the subject.

Anna @ 11:22 wrote
"India is going to do what is best for themselves."

More correctly, "India is going to do what it has always done since 1947--basically whatever the Prime Minister CLAIMS is in the country's best interests, even if cent-percent wrong".

(as India's two longest-term PM's were indecisive Nehru and his generally maldecisive daughter Indira Gandhi)

Enviromentalists
Remember, the root word of environmentalist is *mental*.

Seriously...
India doesn't care about your oil.

You people are lemmings.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4251491 .html


svpallava
I've always wondered about your name. Are you of Indian descent?

I have only read two short articles about this India pipeline, but it looks like a sweetheart deal for them.

Rick Santorum has a newsletter called "The Gathering Storm". He's been tracking events in Iran and with Chavez also.

As competition for oil intensifies and America continues to falter, they just might not care what our opinion is. After all the globalist plan is we are to be just another province in a new world order.

What is your take on this? Besides the gov is corrupt. People in power everywhere do what's best for them, the serfs be damned.

Anna
I wasn't joking because I don't automatically assume that the oil companies would necesssarily provide the market with more oil if they were given new places to drill in. The only thing that is certain is that they will drill in new areas for as long as it's a few bucks cheaper a barrel to do so, and then they'll move on somehwere else.

Faulty Logic Here
Since the Alaskan oil fields are controlled by multinational companies (BP & Shell) who sell on the world market to the highest bidder how do you think Americans will benefit from even more drilling and production? I do not believe that there will be any benefit. In fact I believe that with the current ever escalating demand it will literally be a drop in the bucket and the rest of the world will benefit especially America's oil producing enemies like Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela. We will watch our increase in production get sucked up be the demand from the emerging third world countries and China. If the production is not restricted to American use only there is no benefit to the citizen just to the multinational company who would gladly suck it out of the ground to see lto someone else other than Americans for a huge windfall profit.
Please explain that again?
Nuclear Energy is the only thing near term that may reduce our dependency on Oil significantly. But first you have to convince the Greenies and Congress. That isn't going to happen soon without a revolution of thought.

Great day on the red planet today! We found out that BO Stinks.

Next time I will run the Spell check!
Sorry. My spelling is not as good as it should be. I typed that last post in haste of emotion. I will do better next one.

Offshore Drilling is the same issue
Here again Big Oil companies do not guarantee that American oil is going to be sold to Americans. For instance, Standard Oil sells most of the Oil pumped from offshore platforms in California to Japan. So guess what happens to California gas prices? They are the highest in the 48 States. Why? Because even though enough Oil is pumped every day from those platforms to fill every gas tank in California at least once a week, 90% of California Petroleum gets shipped to other refineries in Foreign Countries. So it goes.

Coal is the other near term solution
America has some of the largest deposits of coal in the world. Coal can burn clean and be safer and much cheaper as a source of energy with the new scrubbing and distillation technology. Coal is also another relatively quick way for Americans to reduce their dependency on Oil significantly. Until America reduces consumption of Oil significantly there is no hope for a better future with energy. I also believe we need to exploit the natural forces of the earth to provide clean sources of energy where appropriate, cost effective and reasonable. Using our grain harvest to make ethanol as a way to reduce demand for Oil is a stupid and short sighted solution. Look what has happened to the World's grain supply as a telling example of unintended consequences brought to you by politicans who will do or say anything to ger elected.

"Well meaning"?
I have to disagree with the description os ec-Marxists, or "environmentalists as you call them, as well meaning. The environmental groups with the largest PACs, deepest pockets, and loudest voices are rejoicing at the current high price for gasoline because they have deep seated grievances against oil companies, carbon based fuels, Dick Cheney, the free market, and a general disdain for freedom and liberty. However benignly they may appear to be their goal is to dictate to the American people and even the rest of the world how much energy we may consumer, what form that consumption can take, how large our cars should be, and on and on. These,a nd most other Left wing "movements" and organizations are pure Marxists cloaking themselves in organizations designed to protect someone or something from the evils of democracy and capitalism. These people will NEVER be satisfied and will forever be seeking ways to control our lives.

Reply to Anna @ 12:34
Yes, my handle is basically made up of my initials (SV) concatenated with the kingdom/dynasty (Pallava) which traditionally ruled the area where I was born.

Yes, I am originally from India--naturalised to Canada in 1982 and to US in 2005.

See my responses to Terry Paulson's article 2008/04/24

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/TerryPaulson/2008/04/24/ when_in_pain,_find_someone_to_blame_nafta!?page=full&commen ts=true

For MarsBar @ 14:18: of course, Bubba closed off many of the coal seams, but an easy loophole to that exists in Alberta--which has massive reserves of the cleanest coal in North America.

latterdaze writes:
"I say, vindex, all the facts are in plain sight -- IN YOUR MIND. Lay those facts out on the table so the rest of us can see them in plain sight.

Oh? Can't do that that, can you? When those facts leave your mind they become invisible, don't they?"

Sigh...

FLDS SplatterSpaz
http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2336

Here's just a summary. I would post the ACTUAL memos (which are on government websites as part of an investigation) this article refers to if I thought you could read more than a few sentences.

So, which oil company do you work for, spaz? Bet you are probably a clerk at a gas station, aren't you? Trying to work yer way up?

Evil Oil Companies
I just like to deal in honesty, truth, and reality. I don't think oil companies are evil. I don't agree with environmentalists.

But, I AM smart enough to know that prices of gas would not necessarily go down with more supply as long as the demand is high and the willingness of people to pay $3.70 a gallon remains.

On the one hand, you have the idiots that believe oil companies are the victims of these legislations and think they are good, moral, and decent. And on the other, you have idiots who think they are evil spawns of satan. Sometimes you have to wonder if they are really on the same side, since the end result is that the REAL issues are obscured and not discussed.

Both of you are wrong. They are a company, doing what they do to increase their profits includes colluding with competitors and government to achieve this end. That is where they are breaching public trust. It's a 'legal thing.' We are a capitalist nation, not a corprotist nation. FAIR free markets are critical.

Nothing evil implied.

When the price
of gas goes up, it is a "testing the market" action. It is raised and demand is measured to see if the market can bear the price. If it can and does, then the new higher price is normalized.

How often do you hear people say they wish gas was $2 a gallon again? How many of you remember how we were screaming when it was $2 that we wish it were $1.50 a gallon again?

If the market can bear $8 a gallon and demand for the product remains, the gas price will normalize at $8 a gallon. If, at $9 a gallon, demand drops off sharply, the companies will lower the price again.

Again, nothing evil about this. That is what companies do. The only difference lies in the fact that gas and oil is a "captive market" and that these "free market competitors" have formed a government sanctioned and supported CARTEL. This makes it MUCH easier for them to abuse the captive market for thier profits.

But, if they can get away with it, why shouldn't they? Sure, it WOULD be against the laws of the U.S. if the "law" wasn't a part of it. Then we aren't talking about capitalism anymore, but corporatism.

Again
ALL of this should be immediately self-evident to those that understand economics and the law of markets.

And AGAIN, the difference is only that there is a breach of public trust and a collusion of competitors and SELF-INTERESTED government to manipulate the market by manipulating supply all across the board.

As someone that DID work in a gas station while going to college, I can tell you what determined the price of a gallon: the next door competitor. When they raised thier price, no matter how high, it was policy to raise our prices to match theirs. No orders from higher-ups needed. Same with lowering it.

And how many people know that there are LAWS which require competing gas stations in a market to keep their prices within a certain percentage of each other? So, even if a particular gas station COULD offer you lower gas prices, government says they can't. And fines them hundreds of thousands of dollars if they do not comply.

But, sure, let's jsut keep discussing the distractions instead of talking about the REAL problems.

How many people
know that government has their OWN stations specifically to serve them? How many people know that not only do the gas companies offer them a completely different (lower) price, but even offer them credits and rebates?

How many people know that lawmakers essentially get their gas for free? Either by taxpayer money or by 'favors' from the gas and oil companies?

Again, nothing necessarily evil about this. In a truly FAIR free market, though, how much of this would really be possible for them to do?

I can cite evidence (that is ENTIRELY pulbic domain) to prove EVERY single point I just made. So, no "invisible facts" in my head. But, the fact that certain people won't bother to check my facts on their own (and wouldn't look at the evidence I present anyway)just tells me they are either ignorant sheep or not impartial players in this.

There is no 'secret' conspiracy going on here. It is RIGHT THERE in plain sight. The information can be gained, most often right from the horses mouth, very readily. It is PUBLIC DOMAIN, people. All you have to do is look for it.

You look extremely ignorant to walk around denouncing truth, facts, and reality (as if it is simply my opinion) when you clearly have NO CLUE what you are talking about.

That is qa good point
Mr. V -
Well thought and I like your presentation. However, in business there really is no 'good' or 'evil'. Just profit motivation. If your product makes an outlandish profit because of the speculation of others is that the fault of the corporation making the profit or the manipulatiors and speculators? People cite "supply and demand" like it applies to petroleum energy sources. As you pointed out, through tax breaks, most favored business legislation and drilling incentives to Oil companies, the US government has usurped the norm and replaced it with a government supported and subsidized defacto monopoly driven by greed and profit motivation. That the polar opposite of supply and demand for petroleum producers in the US is true is not something most economists can swallow.

This is what
is so discouraging. People unwilling to actually research ANYTHING and become informed.

They walk around with opinions and attempt to reject reality.

These people are irrational. How can argue that the sky is blue with a person telling you it is red and calling you a "blue sky conspiract theorist nutjob"? What more can you do than simply tell the truth and present the facts, when they will simply dismiss it without addressing it and instead just adhere like superglue to their uninformed OPINION?

How can a rational discussion be had under these circumstances?


MarsBar writes:
"However, in business there really is no 'good' or 'evil'."

Of course their isn't. I was trying to make that point clear. Apologies if I failed to do so.

Hows about
A little free trade. Bring in the oil companies of other nations to drill and refine here. To the extent that it may be true that domestic oil companies do not want to increase supply, bringing on some foreign owned competition can't but help.
Is there restricted access to our market?
Whatcah say free trader Republicans?
Lets go get Hugo and Ahmabadaboy and Hu here. See Exxon/Mobil cringe. Hey, Shell would be fine by me, too.
I'd also like to try this to find out if we actually have a government sponsored domestic oil cartel, an oligoploy.
My bet is we do.

MarsBars
No duh! More oil produced in the US will free up more oil in the global market. And this new oil can end up being sold to the highest bidders (as it should).

Oil is a fungible commodity and its price is set globally. So when China consumes more oil as more citizens buy cars then they will seek to purchase more on this global market. Same with India and any other growing economy.

Since the US does not produce enough oil to meet the demand in the country (someone else said that we produced something like 30% of our domestic needs), even if we doubled that production, we'd still need to import 40% of our oil from the world's other producers. This means that we also would still need to consume all we produce.

If BP sold oil produced from the North Slope to Japan or China, then that would free up oil that would have been bought by these countries from (say Nigeria) to be imported to the east coast. Guess where it would be cheaper to ship to from Alaska? Japan or New Jersey? That's a trick question. Just as it would be cheaper to ship oil from Nigeria to the east cost (we do purchase a significant amount of oil from Nigeria) than from Alaska. That's how global markets work. And it isn't some great conspiracy by "Big Oil".

svpallava
"For this India-born Hindu-convert-to-Christianity (born-again),..."

Fantastic!


It is alarming how advanced the agenda for one world gov is...

We have all eternity to celebrate our victories, but only a few hours before sunset to win them.
Amy Carmichael


My sister's husband is Canadian. His parents, first generation immigrants from Italy. They had to get married in Canada in order to for him to be able to enter the country immediately.

For ACP
The problem with quoting gas prices from other countries is that you have to take into account the amount of tax they are paying on that gallon of gas. The oil costs the same per barrel for them as it does for us. They just pay more in taxes to their governments for their gas.

ManMountain
"They just pay more in taxes to their governments for their gas."

Exactamundo, the government in those countries get the money, in the USA it's Exxon, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia.


Oil Drilling
If, as I've seen reported, there are twice the oil (not shale, real oil) reserves of Saudi Arabia under North Dakota why don't we drill there? Grand Forks AFB is 85% de-activated an would make an excellent site for a huge refinary.

Haveing been stationed at Grand Forks I can attest to the fact that it would be damn hard to do any enviornmental damage nine months out of the year and the only endangered species is jobs.

Rigidflexibility
I know someone from North Dakota who said there were a lot of capped oil wells there, to be used as a national reserve, so I know North Dakota has oil, (and a lot of lignite coal, too), but where did you hear North Dakota's oil reserves are twice as large as Saudi Arabia's? Do you know whether the oil is any more difficlut to drill for in ND? I guess drilling is easier in Arabia.

So far as I am aware, most of the state is not part of a natural reserve that is off-limits to drilling, so do you know whether these reserves are part of our Strategic Oil Reserve?

drilling in usa for oil
I think we should drill in usa because, one we wont be spending as much money buying oil because we can drill it ourselfs. two if we drill in usa we can save money and give it to help the war and health care and the war in iraq.
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