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Monday, June 25, 2007
Donald Lambro :: Townhall.com Columnist
A worsening economy? No way
by Donald Lambro
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WASHINGTON -- Seventy percent of Americans now say the economy is getting worse, a belief contradicted by a growing workforce, increased wages and household wealth, and a stock-market rally that has boosted worker-retirement investments.

A survey of how Americans see the economy found that just 34 percent believe national economic conditions are "excellent" or "good," compared to 43 percent who said "only fair" and 23 percent who said "poor," Gallup reported last week. This represents a sharp deterioration in the economic scorecard in the past six months. In January, fully 52 percent of those polled said the U.S. economy was excellent or good.

Gallup's June 11 to June 14 survey also showed that "7 in 10 Americans now say the economy is getting worse, the most negative reading in nearly six years." The last time national economic perceptions were this bad: early September 2001 -- shortly before the terrorist attacks on the United States. Much, if not most, of these perceptions of a worsening economy are driven by higher oil and gas prices, as well as food costs, and a negative view about the job market, Gallup said.

Still, there are a number of economic reports that are seriously out of sync with public perceptions of a declining economy.

With a barrel of crude oil approaching $70 last week and a gallon of regular gasoline near, at or over $3, many household budgets are being squeezed. But the number of available jobs, at all income levels, ran counter to the belief that this is not a good time to be looking for one. If anything, the job markets have been tightening in a number of sectors that complain they cannot find enough workers.

Indeed, in an analysis of its latest numbers, Gallup said, "A look at yearly averages about whether it's a good time to find a quality job shows Americans' positive evaluations have increased gradually."

Between 2001 and 2003, when the economy took a nosedive as a result of the post-2000 tech-bubble collapse, followed by the terrorist attacks, an average of only three in 10 Americans said it was a good time to find a good job. That average has climbed every year since then to 46 percent in the past six months. Still, a 52 percent majority now say it's a bad time to look for work. In fact, the economy is doing a lot better than most Americans think. Take household wealth, for example. Despite the decline in home sales and the market value of existing homes, U.S. homeowners have seen a significant appreciation in their investment, and that is only going to rise further over time.

In a larger context, the "U.S. household sector is showing rapid growth in most types of savings. At $29.1 trillion, U.S. households have more net financial assets than the rest of the world combined," said Bear Stearns' chief economist David Malpass.

"In the first quarter, U.S. household net worth (assets less liabilities) rose to $56.2 trillion. Household liquid assets (deposits, credit market instruments, equities, mutual funds) totaled $21 trillion, a new record and up from the fourth quarter's $20.7 trillion," he said.

"The multi-decade accumulation in U.S. household assets and savings is a key factor in the economy's sturdiness and strong long-term prospects," he added in a recent analysis for Wall Street clients.

Malpass expects economic growth to turn upward, after the first-quarter decline, perhaps closer to 3 percent, and unemployment (now at a low 4.5 percent) to decline further.

Indeed, the decline in unemployment claims and increased hiring is one of the reasons why Gallup found that "current employment ratings remain considerably better than they were in the recent past."

The softening housing industry has hung over the economy like a dark cloud, but most economists, including Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, say it has not yet had a serious impact on the economy as a whole. Interest rates, while a bit higher, remain low by historical comparisons. Housing is expected to pick up in the last half of this year.

Increased U.S. exports as a result of a global boom and a weaker dollar will be significant factors in higher second-quarter economic growth, as will retail sales that have already been showing increasing strength.

Why are Americans still so sour on the economy when it remains quite sturdy and promises faster growth in the months to come?

One big reason: the almost universally negative reports in the national news media. Americans still get a sense of the economy's health from the nightly network news shows where positive facts about the U.S. economy never get reported.

The Bush administration has been unable to fashion an effective and sustained counterattack to the media's negative tilt, and, until it does, it's unlikely that Gallup's depressing numbers will change anytime soon.

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Whining
The definition of "a worsening economy" to Doug and Wendy Whiner is that they can't have two Latte Grandes at Starbucks every day because they have to spend that money on an extra gallon of gas. That is the cost of a gallon of gas: about the same as the cost of a Starbucks Latte Grande or a bottle of Evian Designer Water.

And judging by the people who are coming through our company looking for work, the
"bad time to be looking for work" whine comes from the obsession with Work Life Balance, which seems to mean that people want jobs that will allow them to work when their social life and that of their children doesn't get in the way.

There is an old saying that The Perfect Drives Out The Good. Because they cannot have every single thing they want, the instant they want it, then by projection everything in the country is headed to hell in a handbasket. Think of the spoiled GrabbyBaby in your neighbourhood shrieking at Mommy who won't give her a popsicle, "You never give me ANYTHING I want!"

There you have Doug and Wendy Whiner, American Citizens.

Falling Wages
Make It Go Away!! Eliminating Falling Wages With The Stroke Of A Pen

The globalist Bush Administration has figured out how to respond to falling wages for the bottom 80% of Americans—stop collecting the wage data! Yep, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has announced it will no longer collect data on wages for the bottom 80% of working Americans (called “production and nonsupervisory workers”).

They will instead generate one national average wage statistic, including Bill Gates and all the other “haves”—thus hiding the declining wages of the “have nots”. The new wage statistic will also include benefits, which is misleading because if the price an employer pays for health insurance for its employees goes up, it will look like the employee’s wages went up, when in fact he/she doesn’t have any additional income.

Poof, problem solved. This is, of course, in response to rising protectionist and anti-immigration sentiments (caused by flat or declining wages) and the flat-out reluctance of the multinational elites to address it.

Unbossed has more detail.

http://controlcongress.com/bush/make-it-go-away-make-it-go-away

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How can this be legal?

Watch this instructional video as to how to work the system to not hire American workers and find cheap foreign workers at tax payer expense!

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Mr. Lambro
This was a good article to use,when teaching an Introduction to Economics.It has all the misleading elements,which are necessary to economic debate.A really knowledgeable person is focused on "PIRETO'S LAW",which is a better determinate of our economic health!

Perception is Reality
...so said "Engine" Charlie Wilson in the fifties, when he was the big boss of GM.

People who are not in the increasing part of the arc of their working lives have an entirely different view of things from those in the middle. The same is true for those in the first few years out of college, when they are facing what appears to be an insurmountable education debt. Only to a person in his/her forties might the economy look rosy.

As a retiree, I have seen housing prices inflate (artificially so, IMO) to the point where I could not afford to by the house I've lived in the past 32 years. At the same time, my new neighbors are far less "neighborly" (i.e., more self-absorbed) than ever before.

I have bought now two motor vehicles (one of them secondhand!) for which I paid more than I paid for my house.

Here in Baltimore, we are facing an increase of at least 50% in electricity prices, NOT related to the cost of oil.

Most of the part-time jobs available to me still pay around $9/hour, as they did ten years ago.

Health care? As they say, "bend over and grab your ankles."

So, the fact that my investment portfolio as somewhat recovered from the losses of 2001 does not quite counterbalance these other things that stare me in the face each and every day.

"Perception is reality," indeed.

yes way
If prices of everything are going up up up, and I am making a small fraction of what I made 5 years ago, what do you call that?

When I hear the government quoting misleading unemployment figures of 4% unemployed, when everyone I know has been forced to work as independant contractors who CAN'T qualify for unemployment, then I am suspicious.

If unemployment was REALLY low, then employers would be begging me to work for them, but the truth is that there are large numbers of applicants for every open job.

If 96% of the population is employed, then where are all these job applicants coming from?!!! The truth is, that so many of us have been trying to be entrepreneurs, but are barely making it. The government is not counting us, because they don't look good when they do.

If this article was about Michigan
this writer would be wrong. We are in a one state recession with the ripple effect of the declining auto industry infecting every aspect of the Michigan economy.

RE: Mountain Rose
"When I hear the government quoting misleading unemployment figures of 4% unemployed, when everyone I know has been forced to work as independant contractors who CAN'T qualify for unemployment, then I am suspicious."

As usual, the kooky commie bunch doesn't have a single clue in their tiny little brains concerning economics.

The Bureau of Economic Analysis -- read: the government organization that reports the unemployment rate -- does not now, nor ever has, quantified the unemployment rate based upon who is or is not collecting unemployment benefits. This is because, as you correctly state, not everyone is eligible for UE benefits, and many of those who are do not collect it.

Go to http://www.bls.gov and read up on their ACTUAL methodology, and reture when you actually know what you are talking about.

are you kidding me?
I'm so sick of this so-called booming economy being rammed down my throat.

If I receive a 4% raise but the contribution I must make to my medical insurance rises 5%...add to that the cost of gasoline, the rising cost of food (thanks to the sham-savior-of-the-world ethanol), the tax hikes and rising cost of electricity...then yeah...I'm making alot less than I did last year and certainly drastically less than I did five years ago.

It's like the elite and wealthy of this country have thrown a party but not invited the middle class to it.

From the sounds of this story, jobs are oozing all over the place and we just aren't taking advantage of them.

Um, what is wrong with these people who insist that the economic picture is so rosy for all of us? Do they have any idea what happens when you change jobs?

You have to change medical insurance and hope which often means visits to all your doctors to have prescriptions re-issued (which requires time off) and arguing with a new insurance company about why your daughter can only take Zyrtec because the other meds give her nosebleeds, move your 401(k) which is a nightmare, hope that the new 401(k) plan has good investment choices, hope you have adequate vacation time - not because we're lazy but because we're trying to spend time with our families - or some flexibility with scheduling so you can go to school conferences and chaperone field trips.

This elitist administration and congress can't get elected out of office soon enough. The author of this opinion must be one of "them."

A Worsening Economy: Yes!
The reason is core inflation.
Core inflation is so high, and being hidden out of public view, that it isn't even included in the CPI index.

Thank The Liberals
No Oil Drilling, No New Refineries, Global Warming Lies driving up the price of food, Excessive Eco-Friendly Legislation, Excessive Regulation, Kissing up to The American Bar Association.

Yes, Thank /Hellary and The Liberals!

WORSENING
90%, OF MY FRIENDS -engineers - are working for a fraction of previous wages, many in different fields.
The statistics do not include them, thus untrue "unemployment" numbers.

Yes, more than 70% of Americans feel it.

Ask working people instead of reading misleading stats.
Twain was right (stats and lies, etc).

So many misconceptions (as usual)
It's hard to know where to begin.

1) Wages are flatly NOT falling. Real wages have increased over the last six years (albeit they fell in the short-term when Katrina spiked energy prices. In fact, real compensation (which includes benefits - and it should since the increased costs for both the emplyer paid and out of pocket health expenses are included in the inflation rate) has consistently grown at a rate well above the inflation rate.

2) The argument that the BLS is going to stop collecting data on the "bottom 80%" - who, again, have NOT experienced real wage or compenstaion loss - is a complete distortion. In fact, the BLS will CONTINUE to segregate wage data by quintile (the top 20%, the next and so on) but has determined (correctly) that the distinction between "production and non-supervisory employees" - which don't make up anywhere NEAR 80% of the total - and everyone else is increasingly invalid given the definitions used as the economy shifts farther away from a manufacturing employment base. Likewise demographic data (including race, sex, etc.) are captured in the establishment survey which, because it has a considerably larger cross section is considered to be much more accurate. The insinuation that the BLS is attempting to conceal anything is either a blatant lie or unimaginable ignorance. You've got to avoid such unrealiable sources, John.

3) The statement that "The new wage statistic will also include benefits..." is flatly wrong. The BLS already captures (and will continue to capture) both components of compensation. Further, the argument that compensation data is misleading displays a continued ignorance of the subject (perhaps you'll never get it John). The cost of employer paid benefits is INCLUDED in the inflation rate, so, if you are assing changes in real wages (that is, adjusted for inflation) and you exclude benefits paid to workers, you are no longer comparing apples to apples and your comparison is completely invalid.

4) It is equally invalid to discuss changes in real wages and THEN, in addition, talk about the rising costs of health care, gasoline, etc. because, by definition, the RISING real wages have already been adjusted to reflect the increase in prices for these commodities.

5) The current unemployment rate rests at 4.5%, It is an AGGREGATED figure for the entire country and includes areas where the figures are much worse and where they are much better. Localized conditions do not trump data in the aggregate. Further, whether or not someone "qualifies for unemployment" is irrelevant. The unemployment rate has NOTHING to do with unemployment compensation. The insured unemployment rate is actually in the neighborhood of half of the total.

6) While any number of local areas, again, may be experiencing few job opennings, the typical condition in the country at present is precisely the opposite according not just to the unemployment rate but to the want ad statistics that track exactly that phenomenon.

7) Unemployment (the household survey) is measured by surveying 60,000 American households and classifying the residents as either employed, unemployed or not in the workforce. It does not count those engaged in entrepreneurial endeavors so long as they are actively engaged in such activities as unemployed as, of course, they are working. At the moment these individuals cease such activities and begin looking for work elsewhere they are counted. This data has been collected in the same manner (with only minor changes that are accompanied with restatements so that the data is compatible) for decades.

Good catch beowulf!

8) If you receive a 4% raise but the contribution you must make to my medical insurance rises 5%... the reality is that, for the MEDIAN worker, the cost of insurance makes up a not inconsiderable but still much smaller part of your pay so that the 4% raise not only covers the rise in healthcare, but the rest of increasing costs as well. Total inflation over the last 12 months (including food, energy - those pesky gas prices - and all of those medical expenses was "so high" at 2.7%.

9) Changing jobs can be a royal pain - I've had to do it half a dozen times for no other reason than that the company I worked for merged or was acquired and I was on the wrong end of the consolidation. Healh inusrance is typically not problematic provided that there was no gap in coverage and typically existing prescriptions are covered throughout the refill period (at which time you'd have to see the doc anyway). And I take a couple dozen pills a day.

Lambro's point is completely sound and the attacks upon it simply do not hold up.

FACTS - MUCH WORSE
90%, OF MY FRIENDS -engineers - are working for a fraction of previous wages, many in different fields.
The statistics do not include them, thus untrue "unemployment" numbers.

believe me, we like 70k+ salaries.
We did not enjoy 30%-50% cuts.

Years ago I have seen in Chgo
Trib about 50- 100 jobs for me every week; now I see 1-2 a month, and one of the mangers told me he got 3 feet high stack of resumes.

WHY WOULD I LIE?

Still more
10) Liberal Myth # 1,278: The economy was run on housing and is now facing collapse as the bubble bursts. Note that the complaint is not a collapse of housing prices but a decline in APPRECIATION - they just ain't going up as fast as they were. This is a perfectly normal reaction to the higher costs of mortgage capital and not indicative of any collapse. While ceratin markets - prmarily in the northeast and - maybe - in a few cities like Phoenix may experience localized bubbles but there is no national threat of a price collapse.

11) We are supposed to be worried about "two million" people losing their homes as a result of the problem over the next couple of years. Let's look at that in perspective. More than 800,000 homes went into foreclosure procedings in the years before rates rose. To expect a modest increase in the foreclosures when rates climb materially should not surprise anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together. It poses absolutely no material threat to the economy as a whole.

12) The so-called "employment-related fallout from the home building industry [that] is beginning to chip away at the already brittle economy" looks like this: construction employment before the "collapse" in the fourth quarter of 2006 (7,691) and as of May (7,671), less than 0.3% change. THE SKY IS FALLING! Please.....

13) "90%, OF MY FRIENDS - engineers - are working for a fraction of previous wages, many in different fields.... The statistics do not include them, thus untrue 'unemployment' numbers."

Of course they are not included in the unemployment rate as they ARE employed. That doesn't make the data "untrue". It would be completely inappropriate to include them.

The BLS does capture one measure of "underemployment": the number of people employed part time for economic reasons - those who could not find full time work. They represent 0.8% of the labor force (also near historical lows).

And still more
14) thinker - no one suggested that you were "lying". The point is that failing to include people in the unemployment rate that ARE employed can't possibly make the statistic "untrue". Further, your localized experience in a specific industry, yet, cannot, again, trump, national data.

15) Further, the BLS (as YRMML points out) DOES attempt to quantify the impact of "marginally attached" employees. Just as in the part-time data, the BLS is attempting to provide data of value even in less direct ways. The distortion here is that the "real" unemployment rate is 8.2% and that is somehow being concealed. The 4.5% is perfectly valid for comparison to data captured in a LIKE manner. The 8.2% figure must ALSO be compared to data gathered in the same way. When unemployment (standard measure) peaked at 6.5% - fully two points over the current level, the figure comparable to that 8.2% was 10.6%. The 8.2% figure is ALSO near historical lows.

The problem is not that the statistics are either lies or inaccurate, it's that they are either being viewed with ignorance or deliberately distorted (thanks, YRMML!)

16
I am not responsible for a) anyone's glaring ignorance of economics, b) the gullibility of the general public - particularly liberals, c) the inability of some to either understand or properly use basic statistics or d) the delusion that the anecdotal evidence from people who don't really CARE about statistics because (gasp!) they conflict with the liberal worldview actually trumps facts.

All I do is accurately provide the data and explain what it means. Don't like it? Fine. The choice of some to deny reality is not my responsibility either.

uncledave
You make my point for me. People lose jobs every day. People lose homes every day. Some people suffer becasue the industry in which they are employed goes through a shakeup. Somewhere north of 30 million jobs are eliminated every year while still more are created. the process is called creative destruction.

BUT we are not talking about what is happening to certain individuals. We are discussing the condition of the economy IN THE AGGREGATE. And the FACT is that, an entirely subjective opinion survey notwithstanding, the ACTUAL condition of the economy is NOT in jeopardy or indicative of any widespread suffering such as the Left would have you believe.

YRMML
Anyone who wishes can look up the annual foreclosure rates (more than 840,000 in 2005, before any "bubble" issues). Anyone who wishes can pull the methodology for counting unemployment from the BLS website. Anyone who wishes can pull the Employment Situation Summary from June 2003 and verify the 10.6% figure or look up the data on the nature of the employed including those working part time for economic reasons and compare the data over time. Anyone can view quintile data and sex data in reports that the BLS has no intention of eliminating. Anyone can get the gross CPI data and verify that it was 2.7% for the year ended in May. Anyone can get total compensation and median income data from the BLS and compare it to the CPI (again, aggregated) and see that both wages and total compensation have been rising (albeit real wages FELL steadily for the nearly four decades since 1964 as more and more compensation was paid in benefits over that stretch.
Anyone can look at the Employment Situation Summary for May and see the employment in construction since the end of 2006.

In point of fact, every last item that I have presented is 100% verifiable by anyone who chooses to do so...

...a record you have never even approached.

Laugh away
"I find it funny how on one hand some of you Repub's use the unemployment number, verbatim, and then want to dispute factual numbers from the same source!"

I never disputed the number - the data is just fine. The problem was your deliberate mischarcterization of it.

Nice try
"No,YOU are talking IN THE AGGREGATE. I AM talking about REAL people not some number you love to spew, as if Real Live people -who answered the survey,which is the basis for the blog= are in some collective Liberal delusion."

Yes, *I* am speaking in the aggregate. Since the discussion is about the condition of the economy as a whole, that is the ONLY appropriate way of discussing the issue. I am dealing with imparially and scientifically collected data regarding the condition of the economy. And I am accpting that data in preference to an opinion survey. Forgive me for having the audacity to relying upon the more credible (by several orders of magnitude) information.

Should I feel bad for acting in the only responsible manner?!?!

That's just it
"Real people are worried."

Fine. But the issue is not about whether or not people are worried. It's about whether those worries are JUSTIFIED.

They simply are not.

Nice try II
"Wrong again"

Yes, you are.

The SUBJECT was defined by the column itself as follows:

"Seventy percent of Americans now say the economy is getting worse, a belief contradicted by a growing workforce, increased wages and household wealth, and a stock-market rally that has boosted worker-retirement investments."

The whole point of the column (and thus the discussion about it) is whether or not the poll results reflect reality or not.

Again, forgive me for preferring facts to opinions.

Sorry
I forgot for a moment: One of the key differences between liberals and non-liberals is that that non-liberals, such as me, prefer facts to feelings.

BTW
Note that the Gallup poll did NOT indicate that 70% found that "[r]eal,working people are hurting". To the contrary, 34% of respondents found the economic conditions to be "excellent" or "good" and another 43% found it to be "only fair". That leaves only 23% saying that "real people are hurting". Even the underlying survey doesn't paint the bleak picture you suggest.

Must we now pretend...
...that some sizable - and/or growing - number of people must "live under a bridge"? Have you any further baseless (and unrealistic) assertions to make?

FLETCH
MY data are not too specifics...
No room for elaborating, but:
almost evERYBODY (SAY, 90%) I know/TALK TO IS MAKING MUCH (much) less money than years before.
Ask your friends and neighbors!

NOW: If this does not prove the facts to you , nothing will:
An average CEO was making "before outsourcing" 4 to 5 mln dollars.
Now, he/she makes 40-50 million.
BTW - lobbying power of his had just increased 10 times.
Lobbing power=the power against average citizens.

Oh yeah, things are great - not.
Tell me, if inflation is at least 4% (for the past 5 years) and I never get a raise above 3%, why am I having trouble making ends meet? If the economy gets much better, I will lose my house!

The REAL inflation numbers

food prices
Food prices are rising because there was a nasty freeze this winter in California, so a lot of the fruits and veggies you buy were not brought to marker, hence the rise in price.

Yup
Only 23%. But that isn't the number ACTUALLY hurting - that's the percentage that BELIEVE a significant number of people are hurting. The majority is correct.

Subprime Snake
A poster earlier used this term. I take it this poster "feels" that subprime mortgages, auto loans, etc are evil. Why? Because a higher interest rate is charged to borrowers who are less credit worthy? What are our options to prevent this supposedly scurrilous industry.

1. A usury law that bans rates higher than some supposedly fair rate. This has the simple affect of denying credit to anyone who does not qualify for the lower rate. Choosing this option quite simply prevents credit challenged customers from purchasing a home or car. But, hey, liberals do not mind this since they can still feel good about helping the needy by passing a new law "designed to help them"

2. We could require all banks, finance companies, etc to make loans to people at "fair rates" regardless of credit worthiness. That would encourage everyone to not pay your bills since it would have no effect on future borrowing capacity. Would you mind paying 14% for a home loan to help subsidize those who had previous foreclosures and will probably have another one.

The "feeling" of many people (i.e. liberals) that their past history should not be held against them when it comes to getting a home mtg rate or car loan rate is just another example of the notion that we should not be held accountable for anything. All these supposed victims of the subprime mortgage industry have to sign multiple disclosures. They sign addendums if the rate is variable stating what their payment might be if rates go up and acknowledging that they are taking on this risk in return for a slighty lower rate today. The bottom line is, if not for this industry many borrowers would simply not have home ownership as an option. Will you support taking this option away from them in order to protect them? The same line of reasoning can be applied to many of the liberal/socialists complaints about the market. Liberals will never be happy because it is physically impossible to have your cake and eat it to. Conservatives want to reduce government involvement to create more cake for everyone. Liberals will always complain that so and so got a bigger piece just like the small children they are.

Nice work F1etch but, your arguments will never convince the majority of libs because they are incapable of rational adult discussions.

foreclosures
The main reason for these foreclosures is the people that are losing their houses is.1 They didn't think ahead when they bought the house,they just looked at the monthly payment.This allowed them to go out buy a new car or two buy a boat that costs as much as a car.Then when their adjustable rate went up they were in a pickle.Unemployment rate in the state where I live is 3.9% this fact is bragged about by a very liberal governor.I would ask those that didn't get a raise that was high enough,why didn't you get a higher raise?

Failing economy... No way!!!
To all of you who complain about the rising cost of insurance versus wage increase... Complain to your employer. They are the ones that negotiate what you pay monthly for insurance.

Myself, I have had nothing but pay raises since 2002 when I got into my field of work. If the area you live in does no have jobs. Guess what? You have to move to where the jobs are. The days of staying at a company until you retire are mostly over. If your company is not giving you the raise you feel you deserve, who is to blame for that? You negotiate your salary. If your company doesn't want to pay that you have a choice. Go to another company that will pay you what you want or stay where you are for your 3-5% pay increase. To blame the government is asinine. They don't or should not have any say in your wages unless you work for .gov.

thinker
"MY data are not too specifics...
No room for elaborating, but:
almost evERYBODY (SAY, 90%) I know/TALK TO IS MAKING MUCH (much) less money than years before.
Ask your friends and neighbors!"

I am reminded of the anecdote about the reporter who could not understand how Nixon got elected because "nobody *I* talked to voted for him". The prople that *I* talk to tell an entirely different story than the ones you talk to. Assuming that you are honestly relating your experiences (and I have no reason to even suggest otherwise) and I am doing the same thing, whose view is correct? In fact, NEITHER view is indicative of the wholw which is why we rely on aggregated statistics in the first place. Anecdotal evidence is essentially useless.

"NOW: If this does not prove the facts to you , nothing will:
An average CEO was making "before outsourcing" 4 to 5 mln dollars.
Now, he/she makes 40-50 million.
BTW - lobbying power of his had just increased 10 times.
Lobbing power=the power against average citizens."

What facts? CEO pay isn't actually relevant to the topic under discussion as it has no bearing on the condition of the economy as a whole.

Why bring up outsourcing - particularly in this context? In actual fact, outsourcing creates more jobs in THIS country than are outsourced and they tend to pay MORE. The "study" quoted by John Kerry in 2003 indicating that new jobs paid $9K less had been debunked even before Kerry repeated it.

And the CEO has no "lobbying power" against anyone. The CEO retains his position by enhancing sareholder value. In order to accomplish this he must provide goods or services that consumers want at a price they are willing to pay and must hire and retain the workers necessary to accomplish that task. The myth of the evil businessman out to screw the worker violates every principle of economics and basic human nature. It assumes that - in order to be so evil - he must act against his own best interests.

Don't rely on the shadow...
"Tell me, if inflation is at least 4% (for the past 5 years)...."

Here is the correct data:

Year..........CPI
2001..........1.6
2002..........2.4
2003..........1.9
2004..........3.3
2005..........3.4
2006..........2.5

YRMML
"I quote from the Realty Times and U.S. Gov. stats. You know, official sources."

Wow. So do I (as anyone can check). I just don't feel the need to deliberately misrepresent them. I think most people prefer honesty to hysterical laughter anyway.

U.S. Becoming a Colony of Red China
Mr. Lambro's article is what I would characterize charitably as official propaganda. When the whole household including the dog and cat have to work in order to make ends meet, something is wrong.

The U.S. dollar is day by day becoming worth less and less. And as far as U.S. Government statistics are concerned, all I can say is "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure".

So, sorry I will not participate in the game of pretending that the emperor has clothes on, when the emperor is butt naked. The emperor in this case can be the national economy or President Bush, as the case may be.

Finally, to understand more fully, my subject line, please read the article by Mr. Steve Christ entitled "The Most Dangerous Man in China", June 21, 2007, from the Wealth Daily Profit Letter, located at http://wealthdaily.com/newsletter.php?pub=wd&id=363, that is a more insightful than that of Mr. Lambros.


F1etch
Using Facts and Honesty on Liberals is like explaining Civilized Behavior to Al-Qaeda. It threatens their false views on things, so they try to destroy it.

TrixieTrue
I have read all the comments on this subject,yours is one of the few that truly gets the "JOKE"!The American Worker has paid $7,000,000,000,000 into their pension funds since 1974.The wealthy on and off Wall Street are having a "PARTY" and the American Worker is footing the bill! UncleDave,I like "Statistical Masturbation".WOW!!I got to "GO"..

Mr. Lambro
The American worker thinks this because quite frankly they are told what to think, when to think, and how to think by the MSM, because they are dumb. Next they will be told how and when to wipe their backside! If the economy was and is so bad we would have record unemployment and record inflation just from the gas prices alone. With the socialist/communist public school system though 2+2 will always add up to five. It's really a shame people are so easily duped and manipulated.

Falling Wages
Make It Go Away!! Eliminating Falling Wages With The Stroke Of A Pen

The globalist Bush Administration has figured out how to respond to falling wages for the bottom 80% of Americans—stop collecting the wage data! Yep, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has announced it will no longer collect data on wages for the bottom 80% of working Americans (called “production and nonsupervisory workers”).

They will instead generate one national average wage statistic, including Bill Gates and all the other “haves”—thus hiding the declining wages of the “have nots”. The new wage statistic will also include benefits, which is misleading because if the price an employer pays for health insurance for its employees goes up, it will look like the employee’s wages went up, when in fact he/she doesn’t have any additional income.

Poof, problem solved. This is, of course, in response to rising protectionist and anti-immigration sentiments (caused by flat or declining wages) and the flat-out reluctance of the multinational elites to address it.

Unbossed has more detail.

http://controlcongress.com/bush/make-it-go-away-make-it-go-away

Thanks Georgetwin
If I were unscrupulously dishonest, I might, for example reference the doom and gloom aspects of a realty times article that was making the point that there IS no housing bust. From the article:


Why are most housing consumers so upbeat?

James M. Weichert, president of founder of one of the nation's largest privately-held real estate companies, Weichert Realtors, says it's just a matter of perspective.

"Much of the attention real estate is getting today continues to be based on comparisons to the past thanks to the record-breaking years we had earlier this decade," he said.

"But if you take a more forward-thinking approach, you see real estate is set for an upswing based on indicators such as home supply, interest rates and employment. Not only has it never been easier to find and afford that dream home than right now, but real estate remains one of the best long-term investments options."

Apparently, he's on to something.

Fifty-five percent of Americans say their home would sell for more money now than it would have a year ago. That's down from 59 percent last summer, but still a majority, according to a recently released survey by Michaels Opinion Research, Inc. conducted for the Boston Consulting Group.

**

Oh, the horror!

John
After all this time, how is it that you have yet to understand that repeating verbatim drivel from an unreliable source a second time does not magically alter the fact that it was a bunch of nonsense the first time.

Economy for whom.
__After reading this article,then the comments,I wondered about how statistics were gathered.When checking the labor dept., May 2007 "Employment Situation" report, it peaked my curiousity. I wondered about those unemployed,and what portion of the economy was taking the beating,that the Dims voice.I found that the unemployment rate had decreased in all,but 6 of the 15 listed. "Unemployed persons by industry and class of worker, not seasonally adjusted", Table A-11. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t11.htm Unemployment roles went up in,Professional and business services,Education and health services,Self employed and unpaid family workers,Construction,and Manufacturing of Durable goods, Mining. So I would imagine the economy appears dim for the people no longer employed in those areas.As I look at the six groups some things pop out has a possible cause.High regulatory legislation,labor unions,attorney's.Oh ya,thats right,the dims are the one complaining about the economy,and their tied in a knot to this possible cause.

F1etch
BINGO! Obviously costs go up. See my previous post on this column for reasons why! But overall, the economy hums along like a Lexus; it doesn't choke along like a Prius

Expound
Good point. One clarification.

The chief cause of the rise in some categories of unemployed is not job loss so much as it is increases in the labor force (new entrants and previously discouraged workers reentering). According to the payroll survey, jobs have been created in every month since September 2003 - more than 8 million of 'em.

Fletch
Hello Fletch. I cannot understand why you keep trying to educate some of these morons. They will not learn despite your best honest efforts. I can not imagine how you have so much time to keep writing, casting pearls before swine. It's a lost cause.

Economis optiminism
The contents of this article lacks one thing REALITY! I question if the author conducted interviews with actual employed (or unemployed)citizens before his writing.
The jobs currently being created (and overlooked)are generally in the service industry ie: Mcdonalds, retail stores, lawn care etc: with low wages causing high debt to live.
This economy is on a slow slide into recession and I shall retain this piece of overzelous econonic optimism and play it back to him next year when he is writing on the existing disaster.


F1etch
That was from the BLS the source you are using!

But hey please do not let facts get in the way feel!

http://controlcongress.com/bush/make-it-go-away-make-it-go-away

Hey Moe, Hey Moe
Nyuck Nyuck Nyuck

Do you mind if we retain those words of wit and replay them later? The fact is that real wages have been rising because the increase in service jobs have been in healthcare and financial management (over the long-term) not in burger flipping. The economy shows not the slightest sign of heading toward recession and has, in fact, weathered the sub-prime mortgage "snake" with little long-term effect.

UNHOLLY ALLINANCE
UNHOLLY ALLINANCE DESTROYING AMERICA
PART 1

We have an unholy alliance between many leaders of the Republican and Democratic Party who have sold out our Country to finance their campaigns to maintain power. This policy may help the stock market yet has hurt the average American family. They have pitted Small business and Middle Class America against overseas workers and illegal immigrants with limited rights.

Adam Smith the one of the fathers of the free market system in his Book Wealth of Nations (which is used most universities economics programs) talks about the right of workers to negotiate wages as a key principal in a free market economy.

Yet both Parties with the help of many bought and paid for economist never mention this principal when they talk about trade or immigration policy. Economist and Politicians act baffled as to why real wages are going backwards around the world as we do trade deals ( NAFTA, CAFTA WTO CHINA…) with Countries that have workers who are treated like slaves competing with Americans. They are even more surprised as to why wages would be hurt by an unlimited supply of workers (visa) legal and (Illegal immigrants) illegal with very few rights also pitted against Americans.

The only solution is real trade and immigration reform that does not over supply our Country with workers and pit Americans against overseas child and slave labor. What do you think?


It ain't from the BLS
Well, it IS true that the BLS is planning to cease reporting on production and non-supervisory workers, but it not only isn't from the BLS, it is factually wrong to state:

- the discontinued figure represents the bottome 80% of income earners

- the BLS will no longer have data by earnings quintile

- the BLS will no longer have data by sex (which we actually could do without in the payroll data since the BLS data indicates that for people doing the same job with the same experience level the differencial between the sexes all but disappears

Your source is NOT the BLS; it is a blogger referencing the goings-on at the BLS...

...who can't get his facts straight.

But then you can't either
"Adam Smith the one of the fathers of the free market system in his Book Wealth of Nations (which is used most universities economics programs) talks about the right of workers to negotiate wages as a key principal in a free market economy."

When Gavin Kennedy, one of the world's leading authorities on Adam Smith expressly agrees that Smith was not talking about collective bargaining at all and was in fact advocating the right of INDIVIDUAL workers to negotiate INDIVIDUALLY for pay in the absence of the guild system that was in place at the time, you simply ignore the scholarly (not to mention widely accepted) reading of Smith in favor of your own.

"The Wealth of Nations" was an attack on the poor laws, the guild system and, above all else MERCANTILISM - the very intervention in the trade between free individuals of different countries (without regard for the labor conditions in either) that you expressly advocate.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it bears not the slightest resemblance to the ACTUAL positions of Adam Smith.

From Dr. Kennedy's website TODAY
With regard to this favorite quote:

"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."

Sayeth Dr. Kennedy:

"Take care when apply this (famous) quotation to modern circumstances. It does not only apply to employers and corporations, though most people using it think it does. Smith was referring to the behaviour of towns run by ‘trades’ [under the guild system], which were in fact individual tradesmen and artisans, who under law (originally introduced to encourage ‘industry’ in the 16th century) had the exclusive power to manage the trades within them.

"Naturally, being human, the original good intention was subverted by the incorporated trades to create monopolies, to restrict competition from non-incorporated tradesmen (i.e., those specialised workers who had not served a seven-year apprenticeship with a tradesman in the same town)."

...

"Smith’s hostility to the behaviour of Incorporated Trades in the 18th century was directed at individual tradesmen given monopoly powers in the towns. These are the 18th century equivalent of the 21st century Programmers’ Guild (how aptly they name themselves!); not capitalist corporations, but trades unions (and Guilds) whose members oppose immigration because it widens the competition for work."

Amazing
What I always find interesting about these type of arguments are the individuals that relate their own personal stories about the issue. It's as if they're suggesting their limited exposure to a case of unemployment/underemployment somehow proves the problem exists.

As F1etch so aptly points out, we are talking about an economy that employs approximately 150 million people. So, to suggest that; "I know 2-3 dozen people that are out of work or underemployed"; proves a problem exists, is absolutely ridiculous.

halljacky
Halljacky is right and so is Konops.

It is not hard to cook the books. I have seen the laffer curve, but when Bush said the deficit wasn't so bad he forgot to mention they didn't figure in the debt to payback SS obligations-oopsie. (I think Thomas Sowell knows something about economics)

Is it a problem if the national debt is somewhere around $250,000.00 for every man, woman, and child in the country? That would be like the average family in America is 1 million in debt. Any hope of paying that off?

China could kill us by just dumping their dollars. What happens if Iran switches to the euro? Think the other Arab countries would hold on to their dollars? google "Unrestricted Warfare".

We are in deep weeds. We are way past the numbers where other countries have had currency collapse. It is just a confidence game at this point. I suspect China is just biding their time.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the new world order." David Rockefeller

No one thinks we will ever be taken down. They go beserk if you suggest the party is going to end. It's not so far away. Get ready to say hello to your new country...the North American Union. They are not committed to saving the dollar anyway.

Go ahead and scream at me. I have a few words for you too...Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

The Emperor's New Clothes
As usual, the wing nuts on the right, and I really don't know if Lambro is even qualified to make economic statements, completely miss the forest through the trees.

When Americans respond to surveys, it certainly isn't because they are reading the Wall Street Journal every day, watching their portfolios, and chatting about economic principles during their daily breaks.

Americans respond to questions about the economy because they feel it in their wallets. The price of gas skyrockets up and down without explanation. Then the big oil post record profits. No rocket science there. The price of food just continues to go up. Medical insurance either goes away or they are expected to pay more and get less. And the rising wages? That's based on manhy factors, including huge bonuses to execs that make it look like everyone is making more. Sort of like Bill Gates walking into a bar and suddenly the median income goes up.

But, the righties will jabber on in their wild effort to convince a small minority to grow in light of Enron and Halliburton corruption, all connected to the Bush administration, and the on-going investigations into corruption that brought down Cunningham, and the famous lobbyist that Bush insisted he didn't know despite the pictures and validated visits to the White House.

Americans aren't as insipid as most righties. Their reality says the economy sucks, and they will vote in that regard despite what blowhards on the right say contrary to truth.

You'd think those bloviators would learn. It just goes to show how for some ideology is more important than truth, and the public service that springs from it.

by the way...
All the top tier candidates are CFR/globalist stooges. Dem and Rep. Do some research and find out the policies they support.

Another poster said this...

"It is folly to underestimate the contempt that the Rockefeller Republican have for the middle class, regarding it as a roadblock to their abilty to make the money they should be able to make.

I believe that is the Rockefeller Republicans had their way, there would be a massive slave labor class that people would be born into, could not work their way out of and die in. What better way to do this than by allowing unlimited numbers of illegal (soon legal) aliens to come and stay."

The economy is not good for the increasing numbers of working poor and the dying middle class.

Read "America's Financial Reckoning Day"


Fletch is correct
All of your stories are indeed sad, but anecdotal evidence is worthless. Thousands of people are always losing their jobs, then they get new ones, often in other industries.

Moe writes: "The jobs currently being created (and overlooked)are generally in the service industry ie: Mcdonalds, retail stores, lawn care etc: with low wages causing high debt to live."

Care to quantify that?




Child Slave Labor!
Fast-Growing China Says Little of Child Slavery’s Role

Are we not enabling China to abuse children by not penalizing them with fines for trade violation to take away the incentive to cheat?

SHANGHAI, June 20 — There is a certain ritualistic aspect to stories in China like the one this past week about the hundreds of people, many of them teenagers or even younger, who were forced to work under slavelike conditions in the brick kilns of Shanxi Province. First, Chinese readers are horrified by a picture of their country that many say they hardly recognize, then a villain is rounded up, and finally, after a torrent of unusually blunt and emotionally charged news reports and editorials, the matter drops from view, ensuring that the larger issue goes unresolved.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/fast-growing-china-says-little-of-child-slavery%e2%80%99s-role

F1etch and Slaves
You have your facts wrong!

Adam Smith was very outspoken against SLAVE LABOR! He made it clear it hurt the free market system!

Also Smith was for penalizing violators of trade agreements with heavy fines!

BTW in our own Country before the CIVIL WAR people like you did not want to free slaves because they thought it would hurt the economy and take away rights of business!



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The phrase is based on the writings of John Locke, who expressed a similar concept of “life, liberty, and estate (or property)”. While Locke said that “no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions”, Adam Smith coined the phrase “life, liberty, and the pursuit of property”. The expression “pursuit of happiness” was coined by Dr. Samuel Johnson in his 1759 novel Rasselas.

Written by Thomas Jefferson, the words in the Declaration were a departure from the orthodoxy of Locke and Smith. Locke’s phrase was a list of property rights a government should guarantee its people; Jefferson’s list, on the other hand, covers a much broader spectrum of rights, possibly including the guarantees of the Bill of Rights such as free speech and a fair trial. The change was not explained during Jefferson’s life, so beyond this, one can only speculate about its meaning. This tripartite motto is comparable to “liberté, égalité, fraternité” (liberty, equality, fraternity) in France or “peace, order and good government” in Canada.[1]


From encyclopedia of Economics

Biography of
Adam Smith (1723-90)

Adam Smith has sometimes been caricatured as someone who saw no role for government in economic life. In fact, he believed that government had an important role to play. Like most modern believers in free markets, Smith believed that the government should enforce contracts and grant patents and copyrights to encourage inventions and new ideas. One definite difference between Smith and most modern believers in free markets is that Smith favored retaliatory tariffs.

READ MORE

http://www.controlcongress.com

John Konop
Mr. Jefferson's views on Commercialism was indeed known by all who knew him.Jefferson was more interested in the rights of the people not the economic growth of America.Yes,Jefferson was a wealthy planter,but wealth was not his preoccupation.It was Alexander Hamilton who wanted America to rapidly expand economically.It was Hamilton who gave "US" the idea of a central bank.Jefferson was for slowed growth and he tried,many times unsuccessfully,to do just that.Having understood the mistakes of Britain,Jefferson intent was not to repeat them!Jefferson was a true CONSERVATIVE!

"good times" under Clinton
Although I believe the President has a lot less effect on the economy than most people, it's very amusing to see that, for some people, economic statistics mattered when glorifying the Clinton Administration, but the same statistics are presently overrated.

Recession
kenmills
One qualifyer might be reference to a chart outlining current household income vs debt.
Another being Walmart as the largest U.S. employer should tell you something!

Income vs. debt?
That is an indictment of the judgement of the American consumer.
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