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Monday, April 30, 2007
Donald Lambro :: Townhall.com Columnist
No longer unbeatable
by Donald Lambro
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Hillary Clinton's negatives keep climbing, raising new questions about her electability and improving the prospects of her chief rivals for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

The New York senator's favorability ratings took a nosedive in mid-April, dropping from 58 percent in February to 45 percent, according to latest Gallup Poll. It was her lowest favorability score since 1993.

A 52 percent majority of the voters now say they have a negative view of her candidacy. That compares to her closest rival, Sen. Barack Obama, who was rated favorably by 52 to 27 percent.

Clinton still held on to her front-runner status in most polls last week, but pollsters and political analysts tell me she is losing the support of strategic blocs in her party's base, including women, liberals and independents, who feel she has waffled on withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.

"The recent decline in her image appears to be broad based" among most key voter subgroups, Gallup said.

Even more troubling for her campaign, the Gallup poll of registered voters (taken April 13 to April 15) also showed Clinton losing her double-digit lead over Obama, who now trails her by a slim 5 percentage points in the survey (31 percent to 26 percent). In other polls, the two are virtually tied.

Veteran campaign pollsters, and many Democratic strategists, shocked by her weak numbers, no longer consider her the unbeatable front-runner.

"It's still early in the campaign and it's hard to bet against a Clinton, they're winners. However, the inevitability factor (in her candidacy) is no longer there," independent pollster John Zogby told me.

Zogby has seen similar clues in his own polling data in the first caucus and primary contests that will be held in January. What the latest numbers mean is that, in key states, "where the campaigns have begun in earnest, you have very competitive races and serious questions about Hillary's electability coming from Democrats."

A recent Zogby poll in South Carolina, the first Southern primary contest next year, showed her leading Obama 32 percent to 22 percent. "That's not particularly good," for someone with Clinton's broad name recognition, he said.

The Clinton campaign is privately concerned about her favorability poll scores, but publicly dismisses the Gallup numbers, playing up other polls that have shown her with much stronger leads. But Clinton spokesman Blake Zeff told me, "We are taking nothing for granted and will work hard for every vote."

Even so, her anemic head-to-head numbers in the latest Gallup survey, together with her rising negatives, dominated the backroom buzz in Democratic circles last week.

"Hillary isn't wearing well. It seems as if the more people see her, the less they like her," former Bill Clinton campaign adviser Dick Morris wrote at the Townhall Web site.

"Now for the first time, her low likeability levels are costing her votes, as Democratic-party voters are abandoning her to support Barack Obama," Morris said. "She is losing her base."

National polls are suspect at this stage of the election cycle, which is really all about the candidates' respective strength in the key primaries and caucus states, especially among key demographic subgroups that make up the base of their support.

In Clinton's case, however, Gallup found she had lost 7 percent of her favorability among women in general, 10 percent among younger women aged 18 to 49 and 11 percent among unmarried women.

Zogby underscores the central thrust of Gallup's findings. Democrats appeared to be moving away from Clinton and toward her two chief rivals, Obama and former North Carolina senator John Edwards, he said.

Notably, Edwards, who has 16 percent support in the national Gallup poll, was still running in first place in the latest Iowa caucus polls with 30.3 percent, followed by Clinton with 26.8 percent and Obama with 19.5 percent.

Zogby's other state-by-state polls further confirm that Clinton's numbers are nothing to write home about.

"When you look at Hillary's numbers in the state polls, and the fact that she has 100 percent name recognition among voters, the fact that she's polling in the 20s and low 30s is not good," he said.

Clinton's organization has the best political strategists money can buy, led by the craftiest Democratic campaign Zen master on the planet, her husband Bill Clinton, who plays a central role in every decision she makes. But it's not too premature to say at this point that Clinton's campaign is in trouble.

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Hillary Clinton
Let's pray and hope that the "08 Presidential
campaign will be Hillary Clinton's last hoorah
and we will never hear about her or from her
again.

Bill Clinton and the $80 Million
To lilly: If it was only $80 million, that probably explains it. It doesn't really count for anything until it gets into the billions. Look on the bright side. The American people did get something for the money when Bill looked sheepishly into the camera and spoke through his lying teeth when he told us, "I didn't have sex with that woman...."

whoever wins the presidency
I hope one of the other branches goes to their opposition.

Wiseone
Your quote of my comment, taken out of it's context, and your response are absolute non-sequiturs, and intellectually empty.

Congressional Democrats passing bills has absolutely nothing to do with any conspiracy, which by definition is something carried out in secret, not on the floors of Congress, and is irrelevant also to the original comment to which I was responding.

You need to either read earlier posts more closely, or invest in a dictionary.

"GET BILL" so vote for ME new campaign
Hillary is desperate

her new campaign is

"GET BILL" for another 8 years if you
vote for me:

HIL failed as CO PRESIDENT so ????
In desperation
Hillary started promoting BILL to get
HERSELF elected to give the voters the idea that this is the road to giving BILL another 2 terms
she has become that desperate
knowing that she cannot win on her own
merit.
SO HERE WE GO AGAIN CO Presidents

Reactions
To lilly, who wrote:

"What was it, eighty million dollars spent investigating Bill Clinton? Seems as if murder would have been proved then if it was going to be."

So $80 million was spent on the investigation. How much was spent on the cover-up? Don't know? Well, that's why it's called a "cover-up".


To Audi, regarding the so-called "debate":

I didn't see the "debate". All I heard were selected sound bites. But on the sound bites I heard only Mrs. Clinton said she would retaliate to a nuke attack on our cities. All the others gave differing versions of "Blame Bush". Obama was the worst in this regard. His version of "Blame Bush" included blaming Bush for Katrina.

What was most incompetent, though, was that the scenario in the question stipulated that we knew who was responsible, and still every one of these PC robots reflexively began their answers by saying they'd find out who did it, as you observed.


To DaviMac, who wrote:

"Hillary's best ally is the RNC."

I agree, 100%. The RNC is pushing three RINO's for Prez just 6 months after losing both the House and Senate by governing as RINO's. Even if their memories are so short that they can't remember 1994, I'm sure there's a written copy of the Contract with America around somewhere they could review.


To BrianR, who wrote:

"These party hacks, from both sides, couldn't successfully conspire to build a paper hat, let alone some nefarious political cabal."

I disagree. They have shown in the recent supplemental spending bill for the war in Iraq that they can put together a conspiracy big enough to get the job done if they pack the bill with enough pork.

Their only problem will be, after they've spent a hundred billion or so of our money to build a paper hat, they won't be able to agree on who gets to wear it.

Hitlery
She will win. Her campain will do everything and anything, legal or illegal, moral or immoral to win. The current group of republican candidates sucks. We're in trouble.

Nick38: Well, interesting theory
There are several theories about conspiracies of varying complexity that float around here.

The problem with all of them is that for a conspiracy to be effective, you have to have competent conspirators.

These party hacks, from both sides, couldn't successfully conspire to build a paper hat, let alone some nefarious political cabal.


I smell a Rat
I had to ask myself in 2000 how a woman from Arkansas could move to New York and in a few months become a U.S. Senator without the powers that control New York politics consenting to the fact. Then I asked myself why? The obvious reason was so she would have political clout to run for president. How do you choose who will be your party’s presidential nominee eight years before the fact without the fix being in? Now I ask myself, why is the Republican Party suddenly bungling every move it makes. I see no viable candidates being offered by the Republicans. Why? The election was decided long ago. Now the powers that be must verify that fact with the voters who are little more than puppets. The Democrats will vote for whomever they are told to vote for by the party and the Republicans are little different. To swing enough non-party loyalists the Republicans simply have to act so stupid as to push independents to the Democrats.

ch47 jockey
How about Thompson-Rice with Bolton as Sec State, Rudy as AG & McCain as Sec Def?

I personally prefer Hunter-Thompson ... wait, wrong thread.

Barry

She'll Win??
Dave: You are correct in your description of the Republicans. I find their behaviour repulsive and want them to get a backbone. However many of us conservatives out here in the country would be all too glad to tell her and the rest of the dims and rinos to sit down and shut up! She represents the worst of all possible characteristics of any politician. She really does not represent mainstream America or the ideals or principles of good government. We had eight years of her as co-president already. Why do we need anymore of her? I doubt she or Bill or many of the dims or rinos have ever read the Constitution or think it is a document worth preserving. Like the old Smith-Barney investment commercial, Hilary, Bill, the dims, and the rinos have made their reputations the old fashioned way, THEY EARNED IT! They are disgusting and as unpatriotics as they come. Pretended patriotism is not patriotism at all. George Washington warned us about this long ago and I, for one, beleve him.

ch47 jockey
I agree with Brian. How about Ron Paul as SecState or better still, UN Ambassador!? haha. I like Bolton but ya gotta know the system to work it.

BrianR
As I stated on another thread, the GOP has balls the size of mustard seeds and a spine with the consistency of tapioca pudding!

The GOP, RNC, and Jorge Bush have done a pizz-poor job of smacking the liberals around like they should have. When you forfeit the fight to the enemy, you deserve what you get.

CH47:
Good ticket, though I think Cheney's probably looking at retirement. He seems to be ready to take a permanent vacation.

Bolton has no elective experience.

I'd actually like to see something like Thompson/Tancredo, though we actually need Tancredo where he is.

Almost anything is better than what we're being offered right at this moment, though!

Gunny,Brian
my dream ticket would be Thompson, with Bolton as VP and Cheney as sec of state, any thoughts?

Ditto
The GOP has an uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

JPK
WELL DONE!

I agree on the GOP. The RINO's need to get a serious case of the "trots" and stay at home and let Fred Thompson and his Veep Hunter or Tancredo take the libscum to the woodshed for a spanking!

JPK
Excellent analysis!

The DNC made a huge mistake in their strategery, but I also agree with Dave Stone: The Republican Party is so completely incompetent when it comes to national elections that it only wins IN SPITE OF the RNC, not because of the RNC.

Hillary's best ally is the RNC.

RebaFrom...
Two Things are not working for HRC:

1)Fundraising. Obama is matching her dollar for dollar. In General Elections this IS THE STORY. Many who contribute big bucks to candidates only support winners. If there is an inkling that HRC is losing momenteum, they will shut thier wallets to her. This is true for both parties.

2)Her Moderate Message has been scrapped. HRC is now in a race to out Left Obama. This must really have Harold Ickes upset. By 2008, she could end up sounding like Karl Marx and still not win.

Like I said earlier, the 2008 primary season will feature a dozen states (California included) voting in a 10 day period. No longer will candidates put all of thier efforts and money into Iowa and New Hampshire. What if Hillary wins Iowa (currently Edwards has the lead there) but loses California (ALGORE is polling very well in Cali)? What will it matter if she wins New Hampshire and New York but loses in Illinois, Nevada, and Pennsylvania (Obama is polling very well in those 3 states)? Who do the fianciers give thier money to?

The chances of any of the candidates winning half of the early primaries is remote. The chances of one candidate winning all 12 is remoter still. If no front runner emerges by March, look for even more candidates to enter the field (can anyone say John Francois Kerry?).

Momenteum, the MSM, and the net roots will drag the 2008 candidates far to the Left. It isn't just Hillarythat is in trouble, but the Democratic Party. Now, if only the GOP could get its act together.

Roughneck
When I think of Hitlary speaking in an accent or in tongues, I think of her as elected to the POTUS and then having a meltdown soon thereafter, ala Robert Deniro's character in the last scene of Cape Fear.

What is the deal with the accents?
Whoever told her to fake accents should be fired.

My prediction: Obama vs Rudy or Fred with Obama winning in a close election.

Al Queda nukes DC in 2009

ch47 jockey
I forgot about that one! maybe he was out chopping wood and the ax head flew off, ricocheted around, and sliced his gourd off. Kinda like the magic bullet theory with JFK.

Gunny
what about the guy in Arkansas who was found with his head removed from his body but the coroner ruled it natural causes.........

Snooper
I find it hilarious that the Klintonites in jail, whom Bubba failed to pardon, have kept their mouths SHUT! haha.

I guess they're afraid of getting what Sam Giancana got from Daley after he rigged the 60 election for JFK. Murdered by a phantom in a high security arena...stabbed a dozen times and called a suicide!

Hillary
High negatives for her mean nothing. Bill Clinton always had high negatives too.
The fact is that Hillary is still the frontrunner inspite of the efforts of the media to make Obama the nominee.

lilly
Your ability to make stupid statements never fails to amaze me.

It was NEVER about Velcro-Fly Klintoon's getting a little skull from a BBW but rather, his PERJURY and his SUBORNING PERJURY on a Federal level.

Try it and see what YOU get. I'm betting at least 5 years at Club Fed. but then again, you've got a (D) after your name so you may slide like William Jefferson of the 90K bribe and James "It ain't my gun" Webb have.


Roadkill58
I agree. Osama best be looking behind him before he joins Vince Foster where all liberals go, H*LL!

Hitlary did not sell her soul just to lose to an empty suit with a flashy smile.

Osama Obama
This clown is an empty suit with a Colgate smile! Just listen to him. Have any of you heard a concrete statement come out of his mouth. It's all a bunch of feel good 1960s I'm ok you're ok nonsense. At some point he is gonna have to deliver. People are not going to write this clown a blank check especially when he promises to provide first responders as an answer to a nuclear attack. If I had any say in who I would select as the Dem candidate for Pres it would be Obama. Americans are not gonna elect that man. I predict he will fold up his tent and go home once the campaign gets in full swing. As of Shrillery? There is a reason the games are played and that is because you never know what will happen. The season hasn't started yet and the pollsters want to hand out the Superbowl Rings. This is gonna be very interesting to watch. She has more tricks up her sleeve than Houdini. Do not count her out.

Front Loaded Primaries Will Hurt HRC
Dean and the folks at DNC made a critical mistake when they agreed to hold so many primaries so soon in early 2008. Without even the chance for the candidates to catch thier breath, for contributors to assess who won/loss, the DNC is weakening who ever will be the front runner -in this case Hillar Rodham Clinton.

Back benchers like Edwards, and soon to announce his candidacy ALGORE, can now concentrate on a few strategic states (in ALGORE's case California), and position themselves as spoilers. As it stands, not one person will be able to concentrate thier message, money, and organization into all of the 12-14 primary battles. There just isn't enough time.

This will prove to be a disaster for the Democrats, as they could conceivable have 4 candidates still in the running come August 2008. It could be that HRC, Obama, Edwards, and ALGORE will all be exhausted and broke when they enter the convention hall.

Another unintended consequence will be the pulling of HRC to the far Left. He original plan was to stake a a Left poistion on the issues early, destroy any rivals, and then pull Right as the primary season ends; this would have poisitioned well in fending off the GOP. Whatever plans she did have are now beign scrapped. Her biggest foil appears to be Bush himself; keeping the war (surge if you will) front and center is taking away grass roots votes from her campaign early and often. The result, all 3 of her Far Left rivals are stealing votes from her.

What is ironic is that Iraq could be stableized enough next summer (2008) for the US to pull substaintial forces out of the Gulf region. But, by the summer of 2008 it could be too late for both Hillary and the Dems. The Democratic rhetoric is already getting out of hand (Murtha is making new calls for impeachment), and Reid and Pelosi are demanding substantial powers in setting military policy for ground operations in Iraq.

This was not in the Democratic playbook. What was an effort to stack the deck in HRC's favor (frontloading the primaries) is back fireing.

To Goshawk
What was it, eighty million dollars spent investigating Bill Clinton? Seems as if murder would have been proved then if it was going to be. Murder, after all, would have been a more dramatic basis for impeachment than lying about a you-know-what with Monica. But, seriously, folks, both sides can take heart attacks and plane crashes and represent them as political murders. Two online examples are 1) "The Death of US Senator Paul Wellstone: Accident or Murder" and 2)"Was Paul Wellstone Murdered?". Google both for an interesting read.

TruLib
Funny remark on Edwards, he'd drive over his mother.

The 3 so called front runners for the dims are all a bunch of morons.

There's my unbridled take on the subject.

http://peppermintsplace.townhall.com
Chapter 17 of Juliet's diary is now on my blog.
Michael Moore has a new film but backfires on him in the story.

Run to the left
With three Demodrabs running well this primary season is going to be a hoot. Any one of them would drive over their grandmother to get the nod(Edwards would drive over his and then sue her). They will have to bare their communistic souls to satisfy the Kos crowd and America will see who they really are.

The down side is it could be that America wants socialism. If true then any of this group can deliver the goods.

On a related note the French elections are getting interesting. We should start a pool on how many cars the Muslim punks burn if Sarkozy wins.

Obama is a foolish character
and will prove it before too much longer. When asked what he would do when the USA suffers another 9/11 he said "Review Our Safety Procedures" and went off into a whine about President Bush's Administration.

Everybody else, even John Edwards, promptly spoke up and said they'd find out who did it before they did anything else.

I would not vote for Hilary because she represents everything I hate about my own generation -- everything that keeps Generation Whine blaming the 85% of us who played by the rules and grew up to be solid, honest citizens for everything that ever went wrong in the world.

Now if anybody could find a picture of Hilary dancing nekkid at Woodstock, that would be the end. Surely there must be something like that out there. Miniskirt and go-go boot photos? Gathered to see the Beatles arrive in New York City? Partying with the Rolling Stones? Anybody?

All things considered,
I think those of us on the right should be pulling for Ms. Clinton's nomination. . .maybe she can be whupped.

Snooper
So true! The Clinton's have left a long list of dead people in their trail. For those that don't believe it. Here's a list.

http://graham.main.nc.us/~bhammel/GOV/klint.html

I wonder if.....
that is why David Geffen is being so quite these days, especialli after the Clinton comment he made.

Hey Snooper..
...."turned up unalive." THAT is fuuuunny!! Unfortunately.

Yeah, yeah, yeah
I'd like to hear a similar analyses about RINO Rudy; I'd bet we'd see about the same thing happening.


Don't underestimate
hitlery is a nasty individual and has socialist ties and can be a naggish hag.

It is way too early but she will not hesitate to stoop to all time lows to get elected.

This is a dangerous woman and I find it "odd" that nearly 60 people that have been close associates to the Clintonistas that have turned up unalive.
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