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Monday, July 16, 2007
Dinesh D'Souza :: Townhall.com Columnist
Stanley Fish Deconstructs Atheism
by Dinesh D'Souza
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Years ago I had a series of debates with the literary scholar Stanley Fish. Our topic was political correctness. I portrayed Fish as the grand deconstructor of Western civilization, and he fired back in There’s No Such Thing As Free Speech, several chapters of which are an answer to my arguments. As I got to know Fish, however, I recognized that although he defended some of the practices being promoted in the name of multiculturalism and diversity, he was not himself a politically correct thinker. We became friends, and in 1992 he and his wife attended my wedding.

Fish has of late been demonstrating his political incorrectness by writing critically of separation of church and state, and also by challenging leading atheists like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christoher Hitchens. Indeed Fish uses his detailed knowledge of Milton as well as his famous skills of literary deconstruction to show the emptiness of the atheist arguments.

In his New York Times blog, Fish takes up the argument advanced by Dawkins and company that belief in God is a kind of evasion. According to this argument, we avoid the responsibilities of this life by putting our hopes in another life. Religion makes us do crazy things.

Fish takes as an example of the Harris-Hitchens-Dawkins critique the behavior of Christian in Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress. Christian becomes aware that he is carrying a huge burden on his back (Original Sin) and he wants to get rid of it. Another fellow named Evangelist tells him to "flee the wrath to come." Evangelist points Christian in the direction of a shining light. But Christian can't clearly see the light. Still, he begins to run in that direction. Bunyan describes his wife and children who "began to cry after him to return, but the man put his fingers in his ears and ran on, crying Life! Life! Eternal Life!"

For Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins, this is precisely the kind of crazy behavior that religion produces. Here is a man abandoning his duties and chasing after something he isn't even sure about. Fish writes, "I have imagined this criticism coming from outside the narrative, but in fact it is right there on the inside." Bunyan not only has Christian's wife and children imploring him to return, he also has Christian's friends struggling to make sense of his actions.

Fish comments, "What this shows is that the objections Harris, Dawkins and Hitchens make to religious thinking are themselves part of religious thinking. Rather than being swept under the rug of a seamless discourse, they are the very motor of that discourse." Citing the atheists' portrait of religion as unquestioning obedienece, Fish writes, "I know of no religious framework that offers such a complacement picture of the life of faith, a life that is always presented as a minefield of difficulties, obstacles and temptations that must be negotiated by a limited creature in the effort to become aligned with the Infinite."

Fish observes that while religious people over the centuries have dug deeply into the questions of life, along come our shallow atheists who present arguments as if they first thought of them, arguments that Christians have long examined with a seriousness and care that is missing in contemporary atheist discourse.

In a follow-up article, Fish deepens his inquiry by looking at the kind of evidence that atheists like Hawkins and Harris present for their “scientific” outlook. Harris, for example, writes that “there will probably come a time when we will achieve a detailed understanding of human happiness and of ethical judgments themselves at the level of the brain.” Fish asks, what is this confidence based on? Not, he notes, on a record of progress. Science today can no more explain ethics or human happiness than it could a thousand years ago.

Still, Harris says that scientific research hasn’t panned out because the research is in the early stage and few of the facts are in. Fish comments, “Of course one conclusion that could be drawn is that the research will not pan out because moral intuitions are not reducible to phyhsical processes. That may be why so few of the facts are in.”

Fish draws on examples from John Milton to make the point is that unbelief, no less than belief, is based on a perspective. If you assume that material reality is all there is, then you are only going to look for material explanations, and any explanations that are not material will be rejected out of hand. Fish’s objection is not so much that this is dogmatism but that it is dogmatism that refuses to recognize itself as such. At least religious people like Milton have long recognized that their core beliefs are derived from faith.

Fish concludes that “the arguments Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens mostly rely on are just not good arguments.” We can expect our unbelieving trio to react with their trademark scorn, but Fish has scored some telling points.

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lonestarblues / Your charge of Blasphemy



lonestarblues writes: “As for blasphemy, if I were a believer, I would consider anyone who has the audacity to think he not only knows God, and that better than anyone else, but can speak for Him, blasphemous.”



I think I know what God’s Word says, at least on the basics about which I have presented His Word here in this Thread, but it doesn’t matter what I think, it matters only what His Word says. Whether I know better than anyone else is highly unlikely, and I am as fallible and prone to error as anyone else (perhaps even more so), which is why I don’t (and won’t) counsel people take my word for anything, but instead I examine the arguments of men, hold them up to the Word of God in the Bible, apply reason and logic to the best of my ability, and implore you to decide for yourself if the argument is supported or contradicted by His Word.


I am obligated to earnestly contend for the faith (cf. Jude 1:3). If someone contends that my presentation of God’s Word is incorrect (as often happens), he or she is free (and encouraged) to present his or her position, backed by Scripture, at which point each of our positions will likely undergo cross-examination by the other, in an effort to arrive at the truth.


It would be instructive (and ultimately necessary) for you to define the word “blasphemy”, and then for you to present specific evidence (copy-and-paste will more than suffice) to support your charge of blasphemy. If the definition you choose is an unfair one in my estimation, I reserve the right to point out my concerns, but I trust that you will endeavor to be fair and reasonable, until or unless you demonstrate cause to think otherwise. I could certainly define the word “blasphemy” myself by going to Dictionary.com or some other source and copying and pasting the definition here, but I don’t want to be accused of picking a narrow definition that is unduly lenient with regard to my statements.


I want every reasonable advantage to be yours, so that if your charge of blasphemy is found lacking, no one (certainly including you) will be able to second-guess the way in which either the evidence or the standard of what is (and importantly, what is not) “blasphemy” was presented.



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lonestarblues writes: “I find it odd that you would disagree with such a hypothetical. If you saw someone claiming to speak for God, would you think them blasphemous?”



You have charged that I claim to speak for God; I deny the charge.


I will present His Word, appropriately to the best of my ability, and I will reason from the Scriptures, both of which Christians are commanded to do. I do not speak for God, I do not have His Authority, and I do not claim His Authority, in any way. His Word is the Authority. It is His Word that I present as Authority. If you would contend that we cannot present His Word and reason from the Scriptures, if that is your definition of blasphemy, then consider the implications of such a position:


A) No one could say anything about God’s Word, to anyone, and


B) This would of course contradict what Christians are commanded to do, including what is often referred to as the Great Commission.


If you claim (as I think you do) that some information in the Bible is true, but that the information in the Bible is not the inspired Word of God, then I can begin to understand why you might claim that I speak for God by presenting what I believe to be His inspired Word. A person who believed in an impersonal God (a deist, for example), might mistakenly think that I have attempted to speak for God by presenting the Words in the Bible as God’s Word. They would be wrong, I am presenting God’s Word and letting His Word speak for itself, but at least I could understand why they might try to connect those dots.


However, I don’t think any Bible-believing Christian would claim that I have claimed to speak for God in any of my posts, and if I am wrong about that, I encourage any Bible-believing Christian to copy-and-paste anything I have said where he or she believes I have claimed to speak for God, as opposed to presenting His Word and reasoning from the Scriptures.


Blasphemy is a serious charge. I do not believe that I am guilty, but I cannot plead either “guilty” or “not guilty” until the evidence against me has been presented and the definition of the word “blasphemy” has been established.


While it is practically impossible not to take such a charge personally, I am not angered or otherwise upset by it in the sense that I have taken it as a mean-spirited personal attack. As I stated previously, if I am guilty of blasphemy, I want to know about it and make amends. If I am not guilty, then I ought to defend myself against the charge, and clear my good name.




lonestarblues/accusation in other thread



lonestarblues writes: “If you believe you know the mind of God, as another put it in another thread, so be it.”



I believe that I understand what is meant by God’s Word in the Bible, as it relates to the specific topics I have discussed here in this thread.


If someone in another Thread has accused me personally of believing that I know the mind of God, or that I speak for Him, I did not see that post, and I request that you either copy-and-paste the accusation here, or direct me to it so that I can read it for myself and, if necessary, respond.


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