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Saturday, June 13, 2009
Dick Morris and  Eileen McGann :: Townhall.com Columnist
It's the Deficit, Stupid
by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
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It is increasingly clear that Barack Obama -- in a delicious irony -- may be sunk by his own deficit. As the old recession, which started under George W. Bush, stubbornly pushes unemployment ever higher and the new recession, caused by the deficit, raises interest rates and inflationary fears, the public will increasingly blame Obama's big spending ways for both.

Deficit spending has always been the bete noir of American voters. The gospel of the balanced budget is deeply ingrained in their political and economic psyche. Throughout all the Keynesian experiments of the Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon years, voters remained committed to a balanced budget. As the deficit mounted during the Reagan administration, they worried but were soothed by good economic news. When the news turned bad under Bush, they blamed the deficit. And when Bill Clinton finally balanced the budget, they watched the economy bloom, reinforcing their convictions about the dangers of deficits.

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In January, still in shock, voters tolerated the massive government stimulus package. But now, coming out of their stupor, they are beginning to turn on the deficit-makers. The Gallup Poll shows Obama's favorability still high (67 percent), as is his job approval (61 percent). But only 55 percent approve of his handling of the economy, 45 percent approve of his handling of federal spending, and 46 percent approve of his treatment of the budget deficit. In all, Rasmussen finds that the public now trusts Republicans over Democrats in managing the economy (for the first time in two years) by 42 to 36.

There lies his vulnerability.

As the consensus among economists and journalists grows that the deficit is pushing up interest rates and undermining confidence in the dollar, so Obama's weakest link comes under strain. When the falling dollar pushes up gasoline prices and rising interest rates kill off any revival of the construction industry, the deficit will cause a perfect economic storm for the president.

The United States has to borrow between 3 trillion and 4 trillion dollars over the next two years, far more than the 1 trillion per year average of the past three years. Obama can print more money (monetizing the debt), triggering a run on the dollar, or he can let interest rates rise and kill off the recovery.

Or he can raise taxes. Forced by his own deficit spending, he may have to raise revenues, particularly to fund his health care proposals. Even if he confines the increases to upper-income taxpayers, they will undermine his popularity. And their economic effect is bound to be perverse.

But voters will fear that the added government spending will just grow the deficit further. They won't believe Obama's claims that he can reduce medical costs, and they will worry that he is just on another big spending spree.

And it is this fear of adding to the deficit that may prove to be the telling argument against Obama's health care spending. While voters will be worried that Obama's proposals will damage the health care system and will oppose his tax increases, it is the growth in the deficit that may torpedo his proposal.

The one thing Obama should do is the one thing he won't do: cut spending. The public has begun to realize that the stimulus package is doing little to help the economy. Obama's answer, of course, is to ramp up the spending. But Rasmussen indicates that voters feel, by 45 to 36, that he should cancel the rest of the stimulus spending.

The resulting deficit, voters believe, will do more harm than the spending will do good. This firm conviction, stoked by ongoing bad economic news, will increasingly wear on Obama's popularity and bring him down.

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Dick Morris, a former political adviser to Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and President Bill Clinton, is the author of Condi vs. Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race. To get all of Dick Morris’s and Eileen McGann’s columns for free by email, go to www.dickmorris.com
 
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Mr Morris
When will everyone start writing the truth about the federal deficit? Clinton never had a balanced budget and there has not been one since 1957 when the national debt decreased by about $2 billion that year. You can review the actual numbers here: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/his tdebt_histo4.htm

and here is the debt for all of Clinton's years:
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03

Also, Obama will continue to blame Bush for anything that goes wrong in the next 4 years and if somehow he gets re-elected for the next 8 years.

Times are changing
I'm afraid the sound principles of managing our debt are being pushed aside by an electorate that is willing to vote in benefits for themselves and a Democrat Party that is willing to increase that voting block, even though many are illegally voting. In short, our nation is crumbling from within, caused by a large third world voting block, pushed to the polls by the Democrat Party and given more legitimacy everyday.

A few more remarks

The CAUSES of the current recession are NOT due to GWB's Fiscal Policies.

The primary causes were (1) Fed slowed economy in 2007 to control inflation risks. Intent was a "soft landing". (2) Energy price bubble in 2008. (3) Credit crisis.

The greatest growth in dollars of Federal Spending has been for social programs and entitlement programs that were mandated by older laws. This spending does increase automatically each year due to inflation and population changes.

Deficits in recent months have been dramatically worse than anyone could have possibly imagined as recently as 12 months ago. The bailouts and so on play a major roll in the deficits in recent months. Example is April 2009 which had a deficit of $21 billion. Normally, April is the month with a huge surplus due to April 15th tax deadline and the tax reciepts for that.

May 2009 had a deficit of $189.6 billion. The year to date deficit for FY 2009 is $991.9 billion.

The spending for Department of Health and Human Services has increased 100% in ten years from FY 1998 ($350 billion) to FY 2008 ($700 billion). It should be double or more in the next ten years WITHOUT national health care.

Unemployment rate is on a trend line that will pass 10% this summer.

Ted
"that is willing to vote in benefits for themselves and a Democrat Party that is willing to increase that voting block,"

The Republicans can vote in benefits for themselves too. It was the Bush administration and the Republicans who added the $50 billion a year Medicare Prescription, Part D program, while absurdly claiming it would only cost $40 billion a year.

When someone in the Congressional Budget Office wanted to inform Congress that the program would really cost $50 billion a year, the Republicans fired him.

This additional spending program was a handout to the pharmaceutical companies, on the backs of the American taxpayer.

A year later, President Bush campaigned about the looming crisis in entitlement spending. What a joke, this just after the Republicans had tacked on yet another entitlement spending program, paid by dumping the entire cost onto the national credit card.

Let's remember just because Republicans move something "off" budget, does not mean it's free!


h20skier
Friend, I strongly urge to stop sipping the Republican Kool-aid 'talking points' and urge you to pick up Alan Greenspan's book 'Age of Turbulence.'

Alan Greenspan, a Republican appointed to the Federal Reserve by Ronald Reagan, was worried the entire national debt would be paid off in 2001. Mr. Greenspan presents a damming indictment of Republican 'cut taxes and spend even more' philosophy.

And now for a quote from 2001 from Mr. Alan Greenspan's 'Age of Turbulence.'

We start on page 213, enter George 'W' Bush.

"The other issue looming large for the Fed was the disappearance of the national debt. Strange as it may seem in hindsight, in January 2001 the possibility was real. Nearly a decade of rising productivity and growth and budget discipline had put the U.S. government in a position to generate surplus's 'as far as the eye could see,' to borrow the phrase coined by President Reagan's budget director David Stockman in projecting deficits nearly two decades earlier. Even allowing for the recession that might now be setting in, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office was getting ready to raise its projection of the surplus to a stunning $5.6 trillion over ten years. This was $3 trillion higher than the CBO had forecast in 1999, and $1 trillion more than it had predicted just the previous July."

Let's not forget that Ronald Reagan appointed Greenspan to be Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

D G
"The CAUSES of the current recession are NOT due to GWB's Fiscal Policies."

Your statement is true, but a canard.

The causes of the current recession are due to GWB's LACK of fiscal and regulatory policies.

Prescription Part D
Regarding ..."It was the Bush administration and the Republicans who added the $50 billion a year Medicare Prescription, Part D program, while absurdly claiming it would only cost $40 billion a year."

In FY 2008, the amount was $43 billion. That is $3 billion more than the estimated $40 billion. How many other government programs are estimated that close?

Part D looks small compared to total spending for Health and Human Services which was $700 billion in FY 2008.

zap..
Verify your statement please.
Until you do, I assume you are absolutley wrong.
Thanks

D G
"How many other government programs are estimated that close?"

Yeah, it depends what year you pick. As you may well know American's average age is getting older and percent of obese Americans is rising.

That Republican program is growing at about 10% a year.

GWB Administration proposed regulation

Congress dropped the ball and ignored warnings from the administration about Fannie and Freddie. John Snow began his efforts to regulated Fannie and Freddie in 2003.

The Bush Administration tried to head off the financial crisis beginning SIX years ago!

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-propo sed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html?pagewanted=a ll


Oh Really!

If this is true: "That Republican program is growing at about 10% a year"

Actual for FY 2008 was $43 billion. (Source Trasury data in MTS report)

Backing off 10% growth would make prior year (FY 2007) amount of abot $39 billion.

That is less than the $40 billion estmate.

What was FY 2006 ? hmmmm $35.5 billion.

D G
"The Bush Administration tried to head off the financial crisis beginning SIX years ago!"

What a joke! You're a peddler of Republican Kool-Aid. Six years ago George Bush was President(R), Denny Hastert(R) was Speaker of the House and Bill Frist(R) was Senate Majority Leader; and they were 'thwarted' from getting anything done?


"Mr. Snow said that Congress should eliminate the power of the president to appoint directors to the companies, a sign that the administration is less concerned about the perks of patronage than it is about the potential political problems associated with any new difficulties arising at the companies."

These directors were all appointed by Republicans. Let's not forget the Speaker of the House was a Republican from January, 1995 through January, 2007.

The Republicans did pass legislation allowing Wall Street investment firms to triple the leverage they were using for derivatives, mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps. That was the problem.




Mr. Morris...


Dick Morris writes:
" And when Bill Clinton finally balanced the budget, they watched the economy bloom, reinforcing their convictions about the dangers of deficits. "

~~~

BOLSHOI !

Newt Gingrich and company dragged 'Billy Drop Trouser' to the table to sign bills that lowered the rate of deficit spending.


D G
How did the Republicans pay for their prescription plan and gift to the American people? Did they raise a tax or did they just dump it onto the national credit card?


Ratas y Ratones
"Newt Gingrich and company dragged 'Billy Drop Trouser' to the table to sign bills."

Thankfully, I've got some notes from Alan Greenspan's 'Age of Turbulence.'

Newt Gingrich and company dragged 'Billy Drop Trouser' to the table to sign bills.

ABSOLUTELY FALSE, from pages 184-185 of Greenspan's book.

"Almost overnight, the Clinton administration found itself facing a budget surplus that was expanding as fast as the budget had dwindled."

and

"Not a single Republican had voted for the milestone deficit-reduction budget in 1993."




Oh Really!
You said..."What a joke! You're a peddler of Republican Kool-Aid"

....in reply to my posting link an article from New York Times.

So now you are saying NY Times peddles "Republican Kool-Aid".

Your humor is terrific. Have fun!


D G
So now you are saying NY Times peddles "Republican Kool-Aid".

At the time it was true. "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis, said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee."

This is the sentence from the 2003 NY Times article that Republicans like to make a talking-point about.

True at the time, but after a long five more years of Bush policy and contempt for regulatory oversight the camel's back was inexorable broken.

In 2003 Fannie, Freddie, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and last but not least AIG were all healthy.

Five years later they were all dieing or dead.

Once again, the causes of the current recession are due to GWB's LACK of fiscal and regulatory policies.

Quick, who said "I need $700 billion 'quick and clean' by tomorrow?"

Hint, he said it last fall.



1997 balance the budget act
Zap said "Not a single Republican had voted for the milestone deficit-reduction budget in 1993."

Look at the 1997 (not 1993) legislation to balance the budget.

There was also 1997 legislation to provide tax relief.


D G
"Zap said "Not a single Republican had voted for the milestone deficit-reduction budget in 1993."

I didn't say it, Alan Greenspan said it in his book 'Age of Turbulence.'

Drug Plan
Republicans shoot themselves in the foot when they don't take credit for Medicare Part D. Rove says the estimates ere 80B but it is coming in at half that due to competition. Called the Medicare Modernization it included other reforms. The fact that Dems passed Medicare and made no changes in 50 years forcasts the neglect we will see with Obamacare. Also it enjouys 85% customer satisfaction.

Barney Frank keeps saying that Republicans did nothing about Fannie and Freddie but he did when he got power. He passed two laws in 2007. Unfortunately, they imploded the next year. Not the right fix, maybe

When will the trolls
own Obama?

Face it, Obama voters. You won. Own it. YOU WON. LMAO.

Obama said vote for me. I want to fix the mess. I will bring change and hope. And he has kept his promises. His every move has changed things for the worse, and most of his supporters are hoping nobody remembers they voted for him.

John Snow 2005

John Snow continued his efforts to enhance regulations of Fannie and Freddie.

Here is another example:


http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js2369.htm

Quoting from conclusions: "In addition, events at the GSEs over the course of the last year reinforce the need for a strengthened regulatory regime."







Evidence

Evidence is posted proving "zap..." is not correct about causes of recession attributed to GWB and alleged lack of regulation and fiscal policy. (Zap posted zero about fiscal policy) John Snow was seeking more regulations.

Have fun everybody.

Zap you are zapped!
Zap you can babble on all you want, but President Obama has been irresponsible in his spending. In the future, our children will be paying for his foolishness, and it is his foolishness. You can try to change the topic all you want, but this mess belongs to the present president now.

Govt jobs plus
To: Joel-De Oppresso Liber

To add to your post: An ever increasing Government Employee Base (Federal, State, Municipal etc) will not vote against a leadership that might eliminate government cushy jobs; plus their paychecks have built in COLA's and they will never feel the increased burden of taxation.

eat this, mr zap-a-dee-doo-da
Maybe you didn't read the NY Times article cited by my esteeemed colleague from Kentucky. Here are a few interesting quotes from it:

"Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve [the Bush Administration's bill to create a new Treasury Department agency to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac]. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

"'These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. 'The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.'

"Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

"'I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,' Mr. Watt said."

Govt jobs plus
what I meant to say was "vote for a leadership that might eliminate their cushy govt jobs". My mistake.

Hannah
" but President Obama has been irresponsible in his spending. In the future,"

HYPOCRITE, It was six years of Republican 'cut taxes and spend like drunken sailors' attitude that led to this debt bubble implosion.

It was Republicans (2001-2007) who spent more than the Democrats. They increased pork barrel spending from 3,000 to 14,000 projects a year, billed to the national credit card.

They have engaged in a six year social engineering project in the Middle East that costs $120 billion a year and may well last another 100 years, billed to the national credit card.

They have added another layer of entitlement spending that costs $50 billion a year called Medicare Prescription, billed to the national credit card.

Mandated $4 billion a year in ethanol subsidies, as well as drastically increased cotton, sugar, soybean, corn, wheat handouts, billed to the national credit card.

Doubled the size of the Department of Education, billed to the national credit card.

How would you have paid for all this spending? It took 210 years for the first $5 trillion and debt and only 7 years of Republican control to more than double it. It's nigh time for some fiscal Republicanism.

ClaireSolt
"Barney Frank passed two laws in 2007. Unfortunately, they imploded the next year. Not the right fix,"

Perhaps the malfeasant six year rule of Republicans in DC had finally come to fruition?



AM I MISSING SOMETHING?
If all this deficit spending you all attribute to the republicans is so terrible, how can anyone in their rght mind continue to defend what OBAMA is doing to fiscal repsonsibility?

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
One other point on Govt Employees: After John Kennedy was elected in 1960 he kept his election promise of allowing the organizing of Govt employees at all Federal, State, Municipal and other offices. This is what gave us the ultra liberal SEIU. The Federal, State and Municipal governments cannot retrench their staff without Union approval. Currently Mayor Daley wants to cut his bloated Chicago expenses and he cannot even furlough employees without union approval.

Furthermore the Federal Employment is expanding exponentially.

CapitalistPig
" how can anyone in their rght mind continue to defend."

Thanks for crawling out from under your rock after eight years!

CapitalistPig of 9:59
Yes, you missed something. The deficit spending by Bush was Republican which = bad, the deficit spending by Obama is Democrat which = good. See how easy it is when you are clued in?

Obama and 'The Polishing of the Turds'

The legacy of Barack Obama will be written in History as 'The Polishing of the Turds'.

The expression (polishing turds) is used mostly in the Software Industry and means to make a piece of poorly written and virtually unfixable software appear to function by giving it a 'Smart' and Pleasant user interface.

You may have noticed that Barack Obama uses the word 'Solve' quite often.

Obama states he will 'Solve' the Education crisis.

Obama states he will 'Solve' the Economy crisis.

Obama states he will 'Solve' the Islamic Terrorist crisis.

Obama states he will 'Solve' the Health Care crisis.

Obama uses his 'Toothy Smile' and 'Teleprompter Words', in an attempt to 'Polish Turds' that have never worked or never will.

Totalitarian Indoctrination of children in Government Schools, like the Vladimir Lenin 'Turd', “Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik (Marxist/Communist) forever”, is 'Shined Up' and called 'Social Justice'.

Nationalizations of Major American Industries, is 'Shined Up' from the Marxist/Socialist 'Turd' and called 'Saving and Creating Jobs'.

The 'Turd' of Islamic Jihad (which promises death and destruction), is 'Shined Up' and called 'Mutual Acceptance' and 'Working Together'.

The 'Socialized Health Care Turd' is 'Shined Up' and called 'ObamaCare for All'.

When Barack Obama asks his followers, 'Will You Polish these Turds' - they Chant in unison 'Yes We Can'.

Good morning, Zap
Last night you said:

"The causes of the current recession are due to GWB's LACK of fiscal and regulatory policies."

This post pertains only to that one sentance.
Please verify it.

You not backed up your assertion that GWB's fiscal policies fiscal policies caused the recession. I say your assertion makes no sense. Look at the years following Tax Relief 2003, and you will see heathy economic growth.

The 4th longest economic expansion in history was under GWB's fiscal policies.

You have not proved your assertion about GWB's lack of regulation. John Snow was seeking regulation of Fannie and Freddie, and that would have reduced the risk of the financial crisis taking place.

There is more regulation. Look up Sarbanes Oxley Act, and you will find new regulations from a Repubican majority Congress and a Republican President.

Your statement in that one sentance is wrong.


zapdoodat justification for Obama's
wasteful spending and running up of the debt is typical of a 5th-grader argument:

"Naw, naw, naw, naw! Bush did it too!"

Why can't he just focus on what the right thing to do would be and get over that BDS. Any constructive critism of the current administration and congress seems to generate the same response from Democrats:

"Naw, naw, naw, naw! Bush did worse!"

I could understand this if any of us were asking for Bush to return. I don't want him back, but on balance I see him as a far better alternative than what we are stuck with now.

D G
Here is some stuff, check out the web site below,

http://www.americandreamdownpaymentassistance.com/white_hou se_docs.cfm

President Bush readily took up the homeownership baton at the start of his administration in 2001. Owning a home became one pillar of his "ownership society", a vision in which everyone would possess a stake in the American economy. In summer 2002, Bush challenged lenders to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners by the end of the decade; in 2003 he signed the American Dream Downpayment Act, a program offering money to lower income households to help with down payments and closing costs on a first home. Lenders gladly accepted Bush's challenge.

To reinforce his effort, the Bush administration put substantial pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their funding of mortgage loans to lower-income groups.

The Bush administration and most Republicans in Congress were opposed to legislation banning 'predatory' lending, believing legislation would overly restrict lending and thus slow the march of home ownership; moreover, the Republicans argued, existing regulations were adequate to discourage the worst excesses.

Yes, Zap....

Yes, Zap.... GWB was inclined to assist with home ownership for low income people. That was the case with prior Administrations, too.

Unfortunatly, it did bring out problems requiring enhanced legislation as propesed by John Snow.

As I recall, there were problems with aggressive lenders seeing an opportunity for making fast money for themselves. Mortgages could be "securitized" and sold for quick gains.

Fannie and Freddie were caught doing some of that. They were fraudulant when they did not adequately disclose risks of indvidual mortgages bundled with other mortages in the securities. Senior executives at Fannie and Freddie willingly participated in the fraud and also in "cooking the books" to obtain excessive compensation for themselves.

Also, Chuck Schumer said Countrywide Financial was a "bad guy" a few months ago. I would agree. Fannie and Freddie were a big part of the problem but not all of it.

Back to your assertion. You have not demonstrated that the recssion resulted from GWB's fiscal policies and from GWB's deregulation. That is just not the truth.


zapdoodat 'Head Monkey'l

African hunters know how to trap 'Monkeys', which is a staple in many communities in Africa.

The Hunters first 'Find or Make' a hollow log.

The Hunters then drill holes in the log just big enough for the monkeys hand.

The Hunters then drop food through each hole.

When the monkeys who are looking for a 'Free Meal' discover the log, they insert their hands grabbing a handful of free food, which makes a fist, which is now larger than the hole.

When the Hunters arrive at the log, the monkeys are terrified - but refuse to let go of the free meal.

Thus, the monkeys sell their freedom and lives for a 'Free Meal'.

This analogizes the methodology of Obamunists and their captors.

NOTE: It is important to notice that the 'Log' which holds the 'Free Meal' is hollow.

Joel de-
Joel. first let me say
THANK YOU for your service to our great nation.
A;sp, thank you for the recurring posts. Its good to have solid information to use in my arguements on this thread and others.

Your posts of citizenship and voting sound a lot like the movie "Starship Troopers". I liked the idea of earning citizenship (otherwise you are a civilian). I would endorse this plan even though it means I would not be able to vote.

Again, thank you.
Scrap Iron

Six Flags Over Obama!!!


Six Flags seeks Chapt. 11 bankruptcy protection


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Jun 13, 9:37 AM (ET)


NEW YORK (AP) - The amusement park company Six Flags is seeking Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, saying it needs to reorganize and shed $1.8 billion of debt.

Mark Shapiro, the New York-based company's chief executive officer, says the move won't affect the operation of its 20 theme parks in the U.S., Mexico and Canada.

Six Flags says it actually had a great year in 2008. It saw 25 million visitors and posted record revenues. But executives are trying to lighten a $2.4 billion debt load that they say is unsustainable.

Saturday's bankruptcy filing came after earlier plan to negotiate an out-of-court deal with creditors failed.

Six Flags shares have traded below $1 since September. They closed at 26 cents on Friday.
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Obama can buy his girls an amusement park all their own. Bailout Six Flags....own 52% and it's theirs!!! Whoop-de doo!!




Factual reminders
Thanks, h20, for those numbers--here are more:

We are spending $2.5 million a minute and concocting a debt interest payment of %464 billion, which is just about GWB's highest deficit (Cit. Ag. Gov't Waste).

Freddie Mac (1938 for farmers' mort's), Fannie Mae (1968 for low income mort's), and the CRA's (1977, 1992, and 1999) were all (save the very last) Dem. pres.'s and Dem. Cong.'s daydreams. Altho' meant to protect mortgages, in the end, the CRAs' demands that financials loan to poor credit risks and often outright crooks eventually sunk the system.

Banks can only absorb so much bad debt before they have no capital to lend or enough principal to service regular depositors.

Bush did brag of his high home ownership record, but he also in 2003 and 2005 asked Cong. to restructure Freddie and Fannie so that they would not hold as much as 20% rotten and unrecoverable debt. It was then that Barney Frank famously said he thought Freddie and Fannie were fine as they were.

Dick Morris' column
I've read most of the comments here, and once again, it's blame this or that one.

When will you people EVER wake up? Both sides, Republicans and Democrats alike are destroying America. The "Flower children" of the late '50s and 60s now, unfortunately, run our country.

What do you expect, when Americans and illegals line up for free service, and the topic of their daily conversation is, how can we get more money from the government. Someone raised those people and instilled those "values". They're either too ignorant or stupid to understand that it'll come back to haunt them, but once again, it's a "give-me/give-me" world.

more remarks..

The article, of course, pertains to deficits. I figured that out by reading the title.

Much of the current deficit spending relates to the financial crisis. Prior to the Bailouts, the rgeatest growth in Federal spending had been for social programs and entitlement programs. Spending for such programs is increasing sharply as it has been doing.

Those critical of deficits need to keep in their minds where the spending takes place, and it is social and entitlement programs that make up most of the dollars of increased spending.

The bailouts would not be happening without the financial crisis. The financial crisis does relate to problems that simply would have been avoided if John Snow's proposals were implemnted.

There were more causes of the financial crisis.

One of those causes may be related to an organization named ACORN.

Allegations about ACORN are plentiful and they are quite serious. It appears that ACORN may have committed widespread extortion and racketeering.

I beleive the mainstream media does not adequately report this story. I beleive there should be a large scale investigation of these serious charges at the Federal level.

If such allegations are true, ACORN played a major role in causing the recession and the increases to the deficits.

What are the chances of the Obama adminstration conduction such an investigation of ACORN?






Zap
What Kool-aid? The figures are from the U.S. Treasury department. Fifty-two years of deficit spending. Yes, what Bush and the Republican Congress did with the deficit was horrible. $2.6 trillion added in 6 years. In the last 2 years of Bush with a the Democrats in control, remember they are the ones that approve of all spending, $2.4 trillion and that was before the meltdown. Now, this year with Obama and a Democratic Congress the deficit for ONE year will be $2 to $2.5 trillion. One the high end equal to Bush's first six years.

You always bring up the prescription bill. I agree with you it should not have been passed. Lets compare that to Medicare and Medicade that have $57 trillion in unfunded liability, Social Security with $11 trillion in unfunded liability, and the federal debt of $11 trillion.

sheila
I agree with you that both parties are responsible for the current mess. That is why I have advocated to re-elect NO ONE. Kick all incumbants out of both parties. I just heard yesterday that Pelosi is expected to easily win re-election. If there was ever a poster child for incompetence she is it.

D G
During the Bush administration, Wall Street was allowed to drive the changes in the mortgage lending business. Making a loan and maintaining ownership of it was no longer as profitable as making the loan and selling it to an investment bank.

Lenders let their standards slip because if they didn't make a loan, their competitors would.

In fact, some investment banks grew frustrated that they couldn't get enough and began setting up their own mortgage-lending subsidiaries. Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Credit Suisse, and others quickly became among the industry's most aggressive lenders.

As the Federal Reserve slowly raised interest rates between summer 2004 and summer 2006, competition among lenders boiled over. To keep generating new mortgages, even as higher rates made homes less affordable, lenders had to lower their underwriting standards. The REITs and investment banks led the way. A form of Gresham's law took hold, in which the most aggressive lenders forced the rest - even the more cautious among them - to either lower their standards or lose their market share. A lender could keep going only by making loans on terms they would have considered unimaginable only a few months earlier. The bad lenders were driving out the good ones, as even well-established, conservative lenders gave in to the pressure.

The Bush administration and nation's financial policymakers encouraged both the burgeoning competition in the mortgage industry and the rapid expansion in lending that resulted. Officials' motivations ranged from altruistic to crassly political. For both ideological and partisan reasons, the Bush administration had long disdained government-supported mortgage lenders such as FHA, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac.

D G
The Bush administration encouraged reckless brokers to pitch mortgages by extolling the glories of the real estate boom on the assumption that home prices would continue to rise forever.

The Bush administration encouraged private mortgage companies to push option ARM's and Pick-A-Pay mortgages that allowed homeowners to make monthly mortgage payments that were so small they did not cover their interest charges.

Tom Delay was whimsically quoted as saying "These products are the most destructive financial weapons ever deployed against the American middle class.”

When Reagan era deregulation arrived, the private mortgage companies were allowed to market 'option ARMs' for the first time in 1981. Before that, lawmakers balked at the loans because of its potential peril to borrowers.

You have to understand how independent brokers work,” Ronald Reagan infamously said. “They are the whores of the world.”

In August 2008, a federal judge in South Carolina ruled that World Savings had violated the federal Truth in Lending Act by telling borrowers that choosing to make minimum monthly payments on Pick-A-Pay mortgages might cause their principal to grow — when in fact it certainly would occur.

These private mortgage companies insisted “We wanted volume and we wanted growth. Let the chips fall where they may!”




D G
"proof"

Have you seen "House of Cards" on CNBC?

D G
During the Bush administration, Wall Street was allowed to drive the changes in the mortgage lending business. Making a loan and maintaining ownership of it was no longer as profitable as making the loan and selling it to an investment bank.

Lenders let their standards slip because if they didn't make a loan, their competitors would.

In fact, some investment banks grew frustrated that they couldn't get enough and began setting up their own mortgage-lending subsidiaries. Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Credit Suisse, and others quickly became among the industry's most aggressive lenders.

As the Federal Reserve slowly raised interest rates between summer 2004 and summer 2006, competition among lenders boiled over. To keep generating new mortgages, even as higher rates made homes less affordable, lenders had to lower their underwriting standards. The REITs and investment banks led the way. A form of Gresham's law took hold, in which the most aggressive lenders forced the rest - even the more cautious among them - to either lower their standards or lose their market share. A lender could keep going only by making loans on terms they would have considered unimaginable only a few months earlier. The bad lenders were driving out the good ones, as even well-established, conservative lenders gave in to the pressure.

The Bush administration and nation's financial policymakers encouraged both the burgeoning competition in the mortgage industry and the rapid expansion in lending that resulted. Officials' motivations ranged from altruistic to crassly political. For both ideological and partisan reasons, the Bush administration had long disdained government-supported mortgage lenders such as FHA, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac.

economy
Yes, he's caught between a rock and a hard spot...the economy is his weakest link and will drag him down over time.

h20skier
"in unfunded liability,"

And just how much unfunded liability does your Republican, 100 year, social-engineering project in Iraq have?


In WWII Americans were urged to buy war bonds to help pay for the war. Did the Bush administration ask Americans to buy US Treasury securities?

No, they told the American home front to go shopping and have a good time. And here we are, in the eighth year on the War on Terror.


Time for me to go shopping.



Let's look...

"Instinctive Gesture" posted an analysis by NYT. Thanks, "I. G."

OK. Title is "How Trillion-Dollar Deficits Were Created" Using charts and some text, it leads the reader through the years. Feel free to look at it. It is self explanatory.

Here's what is missing. It leaves out the mandatory, automatic increases in spending. As the population changes and as inflation continues, these programs will increase their spending. Existing laws do not leave room to correct that.

Next, look at Treasury data. Search on "Monthly Treasury Statement" and find back issues.

You can find spedning by Department of Health and Human Services in the data. Compare a report for FY 2008 with FY 1998.

See the huge increases in spending for H&HS!

It has doubled in ten years. It went from about $350 billion in FY 1998 to about $700 billion in FY 2008.

That means Uncle Sam spent $350 billion more in FY 2008 than he did in FY 1998.

You can explain a high amount of the increases to the deficits with Health and Human Services.

Each consecutive year is substantially higher than the prior year. In FY 2009, H&HS spending is at a level that will likely exceed $780 billion.

The NYT article does not tell you anything about H&HS spending !!!!!!!! That, to me, is sloppy news reporting.

Consider adding more programs to H&HS. Imagine that. Who would do that?

National Health Care would increase H&HS to levels hard to visualize. What could be more irresponsible than adding national health care spending to the huge deficits already taking place?

Why are NYT and the mainstream media not telling us these important facts?

Why not be honest, and tell readers that GWB was not responsible for laws enacted before he was President?




Deficits and Money Creation
“Obama can print more money (monetizing the debt), triggering a run on the dollar, or he can let interest rates rise and kill off the recovery.”

Obama can’t do this although he would like the power, maybe when he is El Presidente for Life.

What he will do is pressure the Fed for monetary help and he may get it. If we continue down that road, we are in for a very bad experience. Inflation wise it will be worse than the 70’s maybe a whole lot worse. Can you say Weimar Republic?

Again, zap....

Thanks for not proving your statement with your long posts.

Quoting you, zap: "The causes of the current recession are due to GWB's LACK of fiscal and regulatory policies."

Those are exactly your words.

Define fiscal policies. Define regulatory policies.

Explain why you ignore that GWB was seeking more regulations. Sarbanes Oxley was jsut that.

Every President has fiscal policies. It is dumb, therefore, to say GWB lacked fiscal polcies. The Tax Relief Act of 2003 was fiscal policies.

By the way, the de-regulation movement began under Jimmy Carter.

One more question? May I tell your NYT/Republican joke at the next eta party? It was funny.

The Other Thing Obama Won't Do
Lower tax rates. It became conventional wisdom in the 80's that deficits were the result of Ronald Reagan cutting tax rates but not paying for them. This logic has been shown to be false as tax revenues nearly doubled in 10 years. There were more risk takers strating or expanding businesses and hiring more tax payers. The deficits were the result of a Democratic majority in the House of Representatives. Most believed at the time that the House would always be controlled by Demorats. Things happened in the 90's the way that they did because you, Mr. Morris were there. Clinton took your advice, won in 1996, and because of welfare reform and the capital gains tax cut we had a boom during his second term. President Obama has not learned the lessons of history, so he's doomed to repeat them: As in the lessons of Jimmy Carter. http://theclosetconservative.com

Much of Obama's popularity
was due to Bush's unpopularity, not due to Obama's policies. Colin Powell is the only person who thinks America wants bigger government and higher taxes. Those who advise the Republicans to become mroe moderate are wrong. Just let Obama do his thing and then act as a clear conservative choice to his excesses.

Here's Our Government Criminals at Work
The following quote is taken from the "Tea Party" website:

http://teapartyday.com/

"Government spending is filled with pork earmarks like this: The National Institutes of Health will pay $2.6 million in U.S. tax dollars to train Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly on the job."

Quit your b!tchin' on July 4th, get off your couch, get in the street, and get loud, get very loud, scream until you are hoarse that BOTH of the criminal parties in DC must go!
Go to the above website to find the nearest teaparty in or near your hometown. There will be 1159 and counting cities in the US particicpating in tea parties on July 4th for this kind of criminal insanity. Join the 3rd American Revolution, or stay on townhall and watch your freedom evaporate. Are you an American or a SOCIALIST SLAVE? NOW IS THE TIME TO STAND UP & FIGHT!

July 4th Tea Party US Map
http://teapartyday.com/Map.aspx

We will take back our government from the CRIMINALS and TRAITORS in DC in BOTH parties!

Take Back the Government
Your message is received much better without the insults at the people on your side.

Its hardly "bitching" to come here and p[ost information.

You are doing the very same thing

Zap
We have not been in Iraq for 100 years. Lets see: we are still in Germany and Japan after WWII. Why aren't you bitching about that? Obama has promised to pull our troops out of Iraq be the end of the year. So, if we follow Obama's plan we will have been there just a few years. You still have not answered about the debt the Democrats have piled on in the last 2 1/2 years and the Democrats SS, Medicare, and Medicade.

The lenders who made bad business decisions should be forced to live with them. Let their companies die. Remember the majority of the Democrats voted for the first bailout and only three Republicans voted for the second. That is a total of $1.5 trillion compared to your $50 billion for prescription drugs.

flap ears and the deficit
the problem remains the clown is out of contact with reality.

He is so anxious to replace our republic with socialism that nothing matters.

If destroying the economy is the price to pay so be it. It his policies destroy the values of homes, tough luck. If his policies destroy personal retirement accounts that payback for the greedy investors.

But those of us on the right are still waiting for the trolls to justify the huge deficits, and the coming tax increases an d hyp[er inflation brought about by flap ears, massive spending, printing money and borrowing.

It seems the dims/commies in congress have told the trolls trapped on their plantation of entitlements there is a free lunch and the bills will never come due

But even worse flap ears the clown believes there is no consequence to his irresponsible deficits

h20shier
"compared to your $50 billion for prescription drugs."

Coward, that's $50 billion a year, forevuh, growing at 10%, forevuh!

h20shier
"if we follow McCain's plan we will have been there for 100 years."

Just because the Republican party can successfully move a cost 'off budget', does not mean that it is free.

Just how much has the Republican social-engineering project in the Middle East cost us per year for the past seven years?

Calling all Americans!
When pointing out that Obama, and the Reid/Pelosy Congress is spending us into oblivion, the argument that "Bush did it, too" is not on point. Although voting 2ce for this "compassionate conservative", I have watched him violate the foundations of the free market and expand government into areas it had no business going (most notably prescription drugs, already mentioned here, and public education, and affordable housing). W's mistakes and betrayal of the conservative movement are well documented, and not contested by me. But that doesn't excuse the direction our current batch of thieves are taking our beloved republic.

When dealing with a 3 trillion $ budget, the money be poured down a rat hole is astounding! Americore? Welfare? Illegal aliens? How about all that pledged money to fight Aids in Africa?

What Morris is saying, in my opinion, is to CUT SPENDING!! Hello? Anybody home? That's what we do at our kitchen table. Make choices. Prioritize where our limited $ will go. Not figure out how to confiscate our neighbors (or parents) bank accounts, when ours runs dry.

Surely, you dem's can put down the cool-aid long enough to see the train wreck coming down the tracks, can't you? You have a better chance of asking Engineer Obama to put on the brakes1

cactus head
"It seems the Repubs/Socialists in congress from 2001-2007 have told the trolls trapped on their plantation of entitlements there is a free lunch and the bills will never come due."

Yeah, the Iraq War, massive increase in pork barrel spending, doubling the size of the Department of Education, ethanol mandates, Medicare, Prescription, Part D, farm subsidies, and all other Republican teat-sucking corporate give-aways.

Keep up the good work!

zippy the stupid monkey
funny how you never get off the single track that your addled brain runs on.

Just because you lefties walk in lock step with your messiah you assume all repubvs approved of the things that bush did.

But you can't get in through that vacuum betyween your ears that bush was no conserv and more like a dim than a repub

That bush felt the need to work with socialist/commie swimmer kennedy on getting the prescrip[tion bill passed proves bush was pure rino..

But for morons like you, you need some serious help to get over your bds.

Bush is gone and it is flap ears the dictator working to destroy the economy along with your socialist dim pals in the congress all marching in goose step to destroy the country

Not to belabor the point, Zap, but
How does the malfeasance of the past administration excuse your current beloved leaders?

cactus head
"That bush felt the need ....getting the prescription bill passed proves bush was pure rino.."

Excellent point!, include Denny Hastert(R) Speaker of the House, popularly elected by Republicans in the House, Bill Frist(R) Senate Majority Leader, popularly elected by the Republicans in the Senate and we can become friends.

Let's face it, the Republican party is full of RINO's, who are, in fact, BIG Goobmint Socialists.

They just can't be bothered to pay for their BIG goobmint spending programs.



Arguing with trolls like Zap
is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It's a wast of your time, and it annoys the pig.

Let's correct Dick Morris, too.

He said: "And when Bill Clinton finally balanced the budget"

Come on, Dick..........

Look at the Republican Balance the Budget Act of 1997.

REPUBLICAN CONGRESS DID IT !!!!!!!!!

Of course what do you expect from
a communist that lives in Ted the swimmer K.'s Massachusetts; a state that's currently known for their hatred of freedom?

A question for for Zapdoodat
Your complaining leads me to believe that you want to end the prescription drug benefit for seniors as well as the funding for NCLB, is that correct?
The democrats are just itching to propose an end to prescription drugs for seniors and defund K-12 education. This is just a game you are playing and it is becoming awfully boring.

stunned
Not to belabor the point, stunned, but why do we Conservatives constantly suck out the toe jam of the Republican party and have become empty-headed mouth-pieces for Big Government, rigged markets, take no responsibility, lovers of huge central government when it suites the Republican party, and lastly, where the Republican party believes in putting the interests of ordinary Americans, last?

The real problem with the libtards
that suffer from serious BDS, and post on TH is the fact that, as a country, we've jumped from the frying pan into the fire. Bush was bad, hooray we got "our guy"in, and all should be well with the children and takers of our nation. Their celebration will be short lived and that stinks! (for them, anyway) Because, zap old buddy, this train wreck is a coming, and your boys are fueling the fire.

gayle
"Your complaining leads me to believe that you want to end the prescription drug benefit for seniors."

When the Republicans passed their Medicare program, it came with two caveats.

1.) The government will not negotiate drug prices and get the best deal for the taxpayer
and make the American taxpayer pay more for their drugs than people in Canada, Europe and Japan. The Republican party puts the interests of the American people LAST.

2.) It became a crime for American citizens to buy their prescription drugs in Canada, or anywhere else, at a much cheaper price.

These two points show core Republican values. They are for HUGE government and rigged markets. They are for a Nanny state, not for Americans, but for large, Republican-donating corporations.

Proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the Republican party puts the interests of ordinary Americans, last.

Why are you a sucker of Republican toe jam?

And zap, you're not a conservative
maybe in your past life, but you can't take my money, that I work hard for, and give it to welfare queenie, or Americore thugs, or Acorn thugs and call it conservatism. That is not having the interests of the ordinary Americans at heart. That clear it up for you, son?

stunned
And stunned, you're not a conservative
maybe in your past life, but you can't take my money, that I work hard for, and give it to Big-Pharma, ethanol makers, welfare farmers, have forced school prayer, force students to learn Creationism and call it conservatism.

To name just a few of your wealth redistribution strategies.

Bye Bye, pig zap
I'm done trying to teach you to sing,

Stunned
"Because, zap old buddy, this train wreck is a coming, and your boys are fueling the fire."

Republican KOOL-AID spouters, like yourself, said the same thing in the spring of 1993.

In fact, over the next eight years the DJIA tripled and Alan Greenspan wrote that there was 'Surplus's as far as the eye could see. (page 213, 'Age of Turbulence.'


stunned
Stock market performance under Clinton and Bushed

--------------DJIA-----NASDAQ----S&P500
1/20/93----3242--------697---------433

1/20/01--10,588-----2,770-------1,343

1/20/09----7,949-----1,441---------805


Folks, take a look at the Destruction of Wealth under George Bush and the Republican party's miscreant 'Reign of Error.'

DJIA performance under Clinton was positive 227%.
NASDAQ performance under Clinton was positive 297%.
S&P500 performance under Clinton was positive 210%.

DJIA performance under the 'Reign of Error' was negative 25%.
NASDAQ performance under the 'Reign of Error' was negative 48%.
S&P500 performance under the 'Reign of Error' was negative 40%.



Zapster
You didn't answer my question. The fact is, the prescription drug plan for seniors has worked out pretty well. It is costing less than anticipated and that is unprecedented in a gov't run program.
My private insurance negotiates drug prices for me, and I'm very satisfied with what I am getting.
I don't get your final comment though. I ask you if you want to end the senior prescription drug benefit plan and you finish by saying, "Why are you a sucker for Repujblican toe jam." I don't get the connection. Please explain.

Zap
Lets take a different look at your numbers
1/20/01 10588 for the DJIA. Since the Democrats took over in 1/07 the Dow was at 12463. It went to 13264 at the end of that January. So, one year after one year of Democratic control the Dow was up 2700 points. In the last year as you stated the Dow has crashed as a result of the Democrats in charge of Congress. Name one policy that the Democrats implemented to stop this implosion and Bush vetoed.

As I stated earlier there is $80 trillion in unfunded liability in just three Democratic programs. The $50 billion for the prescription drug program, which I don't support, will take 1600 years to equal. HaHaHA. Even if you factor in your insane 10% increase per year it will take 103 years to reach $80 trillion.

Elephant
Nobody ever wants to address the elephant in the room that is social spending. Social programs take up 70% of the budget. Bill Clinton never had a balanced budget and never had surpluses. There was a key word in those budget speeches and that word was "projected".

gayle
"My private insurance negotiates drug prices for me, and I'm very satisfied with what I am getting."

Oh....I get it, you are for BIG government that does favors for you, but small government when it doesn't help you?

gayle
"I ask you if you want to end the senior prescription drug benefit plan."

I believe that a fiscal conservative's values would tell him or her that if they feel a government program should be created then it should be paid for.

The tab for Medicare Prescription, Part D and the War in Iraq have merely been put on the nation's credit card.

Silly Zap!

Stock indexes are never in sync with election cycles. The business cyle is never in sync with election cycles either.

The Dow Jones hit its all time high in October 2007 under GWB.

Credit card
Zap, you are such a fraud. You wail about the cost of the war and Medicare D, yet regular Medicare and the bailout gimmees are what is sinking us.

What is wrong with "you get what YOU pay for"? Let's end Medicare totally. Or phase it out for those under 55. Do something DIFFERENT than the failed policies of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, and Johnson. It has NOT worked, it has driven up prices.


D G
"The Dow Jones hit its all time high in October 2007 under GWB."

Yeah, it took six and half years to rise 40%, and when the full weight of W's regulatory UNDERsight came to fruition it promptly lost half its value. Keep drinking the Republican KOOL-AID, my friend.


Zap's short memory

We already demonstrated in this thread that the recession was not caused by W's regulatory position.

Conservatives drink tea. Liberals drink kool aid.

Again, may I tell your NYT / Republican joke at the next tea party? It is funny.

Zap
Once again, you are putting words in my mouth and getting off topic. When I tell you I'm satisfied with my private prescription drug plan, you say, "..you are for big gov't that does favors for you but small gov't when it doesn't help you."
I am for small gov't. all the time. I am not a senior. My health insurance is paid by me. I am self-employed and it is very expensive. You were the one complaing about the Medicare Part D and I merely ask you if you would like to see a proposal to discontinue the program, but you are all over the map when it comes to answering me in addition to making assumptions about my beliefs in the size of government. I was not for the Medicare Drug Benefit for seniors when it was proposed. See, how easy that was. I told you in one sentence what my opinion was.
However, I work with hundreds of seniors a week in my fitness classes, and they are very happy with the program... even the conservative Republican seniors. And, again, it hasn't been as expensive as originally predicted.
Continuing...you said programs that are created should be paid for. Well, they are, by the taxpayers! The tab for Medicare Prescriptions Part D and the Iraq war have merely been put on the nations credit card, you stated.
I don't think we were ever led to believe that it would be any other way. Of course, the taxpayers are going to pay for the prescriptions and the war. How does one go about having a war pay for itself? The best we can hope for is that we WIN the war and get out alive. I can live with that.

Zap, Bush TRIED to regulate
He tried to regulate Fannie and Freddie at least 13 times. The hearings in the House had people like Frank and Waters (both D's) saying that Bush was being racist trying to regulate the wonderful job Franklin Raines was doing. The one time a regulation made it out of the House, the Democrats in the Senate (Schumer chief among them) threatened a filibuster, so it died.

The real problem is you only know one name to blame; BUSH. You liberals know you are complicit in most of the stuff that did not happen, but you now lie that you had nothing to do with it. Is there an honest liberal out there? He (or she) sure doesn't blog here.

NotHistorian
"He tried to regulate Fannie and Freddie at least 13 times....saying that Bush was being racist"

You card-carrying members of the Republican party can't wait to play the victim card, can you?

Have you forgotten Bush was president, Denny Hastert(R) was Speaker of the House and Trent Lott(R) and Bill Frist(R) were Senate Majority leaders from 2001-2007?

D G
"We already demonstrated in this thread that the recession was not caused by W's regulatory position."

Wrongo, Sir!, has now one told you the President of the USA was a Republican for the past eight years?

Has no one told you that the Speaker of the House has been a Republican for 12 of the past 14 years?

For your spin to work, I would have to believe that the liberal, homosexual, Demoncrat from Massachusetts, that is both gay and liberal, has more power than the President of the United States of America.

Did you know that the Speaker of the House was a Republican from January, 1995 through January of 2007?

Did you know that the House Finance Chairman was a Republican from January, 1995 through January of 2007?

What's the point of being in the majority if, you don't exercise power?

Any attempts of Republican reform of Fannie and Freddie the past decade was about taking power from those two entities and giving it to Wall Street. Wall Street used an average leverage factor of 40 and Freddie and Fannie about five. It was all this over-leveraging that imploded the Financial markets.

You need to get information from a wider variety of sources.

jail obama
barry hussein has done irreperable harm to this once great nation. he is a disgrace to the office he holds and needs to be held accountable. 25 years in the goolag would be a fit punishment in my book

D G
I have read both you and zap. He quibbles and you equivocate.

Unfortunately for conservatives, economically, Bush gave republicans little to defend and dhimmiwits plenty of ammo. Bush talked a good game but never got a thing done.

All in the face of leftist resistance including forced malfeasance and financial irresponsibility, the Bush administration clearly knew of the coming housing/finance collapse, made appropriate noises about it, capitulated to the likes of Barney Frank and Raines, then went on spending.

All in the face of leftist resistance, the Bush administration knew the SS system and the welfare state is unsustainable, made appropriate noises about spending his political capital after the 2004 election to address the issue (savings accounts), then added another entitlement (drug), fought for the import of massive new illegal alien, welfare draining poverty called amnesty, called it a day and went on spending.

When the housing collapse happened and what was his response? Why, humongous new spending, of course, that McCain stupidly allowed himself to be sucked into and implicated with that sunk his candidacy.

Face it: without Bush, Fascist Obozo doesn't happen anymore than an FDR does without Hoover. Remember 1986 - In October, Reagan correctly did nothing in the face of a market correction and it rebounded within months.

Economically, Bush gave Republicans little to defend and almost everything to be disgusted with. His only hope to be well remembered is if this nation stops the Islamic totalitarian fascist now in charge from destroying the nation's free-republican political/economic fabric and rendering it defenseless before its enemies.

And that will mean these whimpy, sissy GOP politicians get back to republican principles and consider resisting O-fascist more important than saving their servile hides.

blowfish
"jail obama - barry hussein has done irreperable harm to this once great nation. he is a disgrace to the office he holds and needs to be held accountable. 25 years in the goolag would be a fit punishment in my book."

My sentiments are with you but the way things are going, it's statements like these that may get you and anyone else 25 years in the gulag - or worse.

TheHistorian
"He tried to regulate Fannie and Freddie at least 13 times. The hearings in the House had people like Frank and Waters (both D's) saying that Bush was being racist trying to regulate the wonderful job Franklin Raines was doing. The one time a regulation made it out of the House, the Democrats in the Senate (Schumer chief among them) threatened a filibuster, so it died."

You are right, but then everyone caved. Forget zap - he's a leftist idiot-logue who thinks his selective gap fillers and necessary denials are brilliant rhetoric.

The trouble with the Senate is that they've developed this gentleman's agreement to 'threaten' a filibuster. The idea of a filibuster is that an issue is so important that it demands to be heard - that the nation take notice of someone holding the senate business as usual at bay in order to be heard. Nothing is heard when discussion of the issue is dismissed by a 'threat' to filibuster.

More comments


Zap said: "The causes of the current recession are due to GWB's LACK of fiscal and regulatory policies."

Zap never said anything to verify that.

Grubby said: "Bush gave republicans little to defend and dhimmiwits plenty of ammo. Bush talked a good game but never got a thing done."

Grubby,... Have you heard of Tax Relief 2003? It was highly successful.


TheHistorian
To continue, think how much better off we would be now if Shumer and Raines were clearly fixed in the public's mind as the culprits who helped enable and trigger the housing/financial collapse - by defending the unsound practices, they were forcing upon the finance industry and implementing in Fannie/Freddie, via a real filibuster.

How To Kill The American Economy

Elect Barack Obama, who has:

1. Emptied our Treasury,

2. Borrowed more than any other President in US history,

3. Agreed with Bernanke that the Fed Reserve should print trillions,

4. Named a Pay Tsar, who will one day dictate all salaries and bonuses for Americans,

5. Prompted the Congress to enact "Pay Go", which is code for taxes,

6. Destroyed contract law and the US Constitution,

7. Weakened our AAA credit rating,

8. Named 23 Tsars, who are not accountable to Congress and have the President's authority to raise taxes (which is blatantly unconstitutional),

9. Wants protectionism, which will cause the same problem that happened following the enactment of Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in June 1930, and

10. Will have to raise taxes across the board to pay for his spending because other sources have dried up.

Say hello to Barack Hoover Roosevelt.


The Paper Hangers Have Run Amok - I

Because of Washington's spending, the Treasury is having to borrow $150bn a month. It has brought back some discontinued paper and increased sales of bonds from every quarter to each month.

They are selling 2, 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, and 30 year bonds EVERY month.

China has already opted to purchase only short-term paper, namely, 3 year bonds. It has asked the IMF, if the International Monetary Fund would sell all of its gold. If it buys bonds tomorrow and Thursday, it will demand a much higher interest rate. Anyone that has a mortgage, a line of credit, a car loan, a student loan or uses credit cards will likely see an explosion in interest rates in the next 2 years. If you think that you are out of the woods because you don't owe any money or use credit, beware. The hyperinflation will hurt you even if you use cash because everyone in the chain of commerce will be paying higher interest rates.

The Federal Reserve has printed $2tn since November and will inject more than (an additional) $2tn in worthless Monopoly money into the system before the end of the year.

The WH wants to paper the country with stimulus funds, but in doing so, even more capital will be in the cash system.

The Federal Reserve has been engaging in "quantitative easing", which is another feel-good name for debt monetization. Helicopter Ben Bernanke and Timothy Geithner will expand the monetization.

How does monetization work? It starts from this point: There are not enough lenders to buy your credit. So, the government falls into a contraction trap because the spineless do not want the economy to sink further since this would not bode well for the sitting government. To avoid contraction, the Federal Reserve buys the paper of the Treasury using Monopoly money. More spending is done by the government, again using Monopoly money which infects the entire economy.


The Paper Hangers Have Run Amok - II

UNDERSTAND THIS: Debt monetization has NEVER, EVER worked. The infection injected by the government corrupts the entire system and the currency collapses.


Do yourself these three favors: Study the Weimar Government, read about Mugabe's Zimbabwe, and buy gold coins, which cannot be seized by the government because the coinage has intrinsic value, as FDR learned.


"The surest way to destroy a nation is to debauch its currency." - Vladimir Lenin


D G
"Grubby,... Have you heard of Tax Relief 2003? It was highly successful."

Yes, I will concede the point - without it, the Fed would not have realized the higher revenue levels than those which would have been obtained from Clinton's higher tax rates.

This, terror-security, Roberts and Alito (both of which we almost didn't get but for the republican revolt), and there you have the best of Bush.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"Borrowed more than any other President in US history,"

Stop being a drama queen, and prove it.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"and buy gold coins, which cannot be seized by the government because the coinage has intrinsic value, as FDR learned."

Huh.....so if drug trafficers or the MOB has gold coins, the Feds can't confiscate their property?

Obama The Bulldozer Or Something

US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive...

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialc risis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-t o-survive.html


Poor Democratic and Union cities read it and weep OR come over to our side and call Obama a tyrant.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"The Federal Reserve has printed $2tn since November and will inject more than (an additional) $2tn in worthless Monopoly money."

wow.....I just took some of that worthless money and bought a 62 inch HDTV, Yippeee!!!

zap

YOU PROVE IT SINCE YOU ARE ALL-KNOWING.

D G
"Grubby,... Have you heard of Tax Relief 2003? It was highly successful."

Yeah....instead of having surpluses as Fed Chairman Greenspan predicted, under W, we doubled the outstanding deficit from $5 to $12 trillion.

And at the end of it all, the Republican party is sponsoring some Tea Parties. Please pass the sugar?

zapped, again
"and buy gold coins, which cannot be seized by the government because the coinage has intrinsic value, as FDR learned."

Read Executive Order 6102 and its subsequent invalidation.

"Huh.....so if drug trafficers or the MOB has gold coins, the Feds can't confiscate their property?"

Only if they are convicted.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"US cities may have to be bulldozed in order to survive..."

So true....in all sincerity, I hoped you enjoyed Xmas in 2008, I heard through the grapevine that President Hussein will shortly ban Xmas.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"Read Executive Order 6102 and its subsequent invalidation."

It's my wallpaper....silly. R. Millhouse Nixon again made it confiscatible. READ IT!

zap
"Yeah....instead of having surpluses as Fed Chairman Greenspan predicted, under W, we doubled the outstanding deficit from $5 to $12 trillion."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Greenspan was the Chairman under Clinton, too.

Obama will cause the National Deficit to swell to $3.6tn and the National Debt to rise to $23.9tn.

Beginning in 2017, the debt service will be $1tn annually.

Don't believe me? Try perusing the data generated by the CBO.

BTW, the National Deficit is NOT the National Debt.

Your ignorance is showing.

Whatever, zap

The Dollar is tanking, gold is rising, cities may be bulldozed, and interest rates are increasing, which will make the price of your next HDTV credit purchase astronomical.


Au revoir, loser.

don't let zap misinform you

Tax relief 2003 resulted in reductions to the deficits.

Greenspan was Fed chairman. The Fed does not control fiscal policies. It controls monetary policies. Accordingly, it was not his job to forecast surpluses or deficits.

Also, zap, you did not prove your statement ("The causes of the current recession are due to GWB's LACK of fiscal and regulatory policies.")

Obviously, your statement is false.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"and the National Debt to rise to $23.9tn."

Meaning the national will double.

Has anyone ever told you that under Herr Reagan (mostbiggestappeasertoislam) that the national debt tripled?

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"Try perusing the data generated by the CBO."

I'll betcha that you're someone who called CNBC whining that their clock in the lower right corner should show time to the nearest millisecond.

D G
"Tax relief 2003 resulted in reductions to the deficits."

Yep...and the best way to lose weight is to eat more!

zap

I will bet you all of my gold (I cashed out a year ago) that I am right and you are wrong. In fact, I will give you my two degrees from Harvard (Economics and Finance), my Masters in Economics from the London School of Economics, and my Juris Doctorate from Georgetown, if I am wrong.

It is My Sincerest Hope
that, someday, very soon, when the American dollar's value has been reduced to the value of toilet paper by the actions of the criminal Wall Street whores in DC in BOTH parties; and when the ignorant American People that continue to elect them, having been blinded to the truth by the complicit NYC Establishment media for far too long, finally wakes up from their stupefied state; and when the evil in the MSM, the Federal Reserve, the Supreme Court, and both political parties is finally exposed, 3rd parties will fill the power vacuum and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law the criminals in DC in ALL branches of our government including the Supreme Court for how they have trampled the Constitution, robbed the American People blind, and recklessly destroyed the security of our nation. However, the government in DC will declare martial law when this time comes. They have already secretly prepared concentration camps all across this nation for this purpose and for the event of all-out nuclear attack, an eventuality they know will happen by virtue of keeping our borders wide open for far too long. It is sad to think but all must come tumbling down in America - she must be Judged by Almighty God - before she returns to her senses. It will not be pretty, but all of the evil in high places and in the churches will be exposed. Riots are coming. Famine is coming. 3rd parties must be ready to fill the void when the time comes, and it, indeed, will come with these 2 criminally treasonous parties in DC and their apostate government running this nation over a cliff.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"I will bet you all of my gold....my two degrees from Harvard (Economics and Finance), my Masters in Economics from the London School of Economics, and my Juris Doctorate from Georgetown, if I am wrong."


Thanks, I've already downloaded that software and printed out those sheepskins.

Obama Defends DOMA
Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said that President Obama “has said he wants to see a legislative repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act because it prevents LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) couples from being granted equal rights and benefits,” she said. “However, until Congress passes legislation repealing the law, the administration will continue to defend the statute when it is challenged in the justice system.”…

The Obama administration cited Catalano v. Catalano (marriage of uncle to niece, “though valid in Italy under its laws, was not valid in Connecticut because it contravened the public policy of th[at] state”); Wilkins v. Zelichowski (marriage of 16-year-old female held invalid in New Jersey, regardless of validity in Indiana where performed, in light of N.J. policy reflected in statute permitting adult female to secure annulment of her underage marriage), and re Mortenson’s Estate, (marriage of first cousins held invalid in Arizona, though lawfully performed in New Mexico, given Arizona policy reflected in statute declaring such marriages “prohibited and void”).

“Holy cow,” wrote [Americablog's John] Aravosis. “Obama invoked incest and people marrying children.”

more.....

Zap said: "Has anyone ever told you that under Herr Reagan (mostbiggestappeasertoislam) that the national debt tripled? "

Check your history. The Paul Volcker recession to correct Jimmy Carter's double digit inflation resulted in double digit interest rates and double digit unemployment. The reduced incomes caused reduced tax revenues, and the big deficits followed.

Why is BO emulating Jimmy Carter's failed policies?

zap
You might have printed out the sheepskins, but I PAID 100s of dollars to EARN them. I actually EARNED them.

No proof yet.

Zap has not yet posted proof of his statement.
("The causes of the current recession are due to GWB's LACK of fiscal and regulatory policies.")

Other posts have demonstrated zap's statement is false.

zap

I EARNED and PAID for mine.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"I EARNED and PAID for mine."

Are you that woman who married Clark Rockefeller?


I paid for mine, too. $14.95 at diplomas.com.


zap

I paid for my education and do not depend on anyone, especially MEN.

D G
"Zap has not yet posted proof of his statement.
("The causes of the current recession are due to GWB's LACK of fiscal and regulatory policies.")

Most of the sub-prime loans made were outside the government's regulatory framework. Private mortgage companies made, by far, the most sub-prime loans. They did so, because Wall Street could quickly package them up and sell them off, making a profit for everyone involved. Only banks that had FDIC insurance and are regulated by the government are subject to the Community Reinvestment Act.

How many loans was the insurance company AIG forced to give?

How many loans were Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, AIG and American Express forced to give? Nil, they were outside the regulatory framework.

Are you telling me all those pesky credit card and home re-fi offers I got in the mail was because the government forced the companies to send them? I got dozens every week!!

$14.95 v. Over $200 Grand

Zap, go get a calculator.

Lying Disinformation spread by zap
"Most of the sub-prime loans made were outside the government's regulatory framework. Private mortgage companies made, by far, the most sub-prime loans. They did so, because Wall Street could quickly package them up and sell them off, making a profit for everyone involved. Only banks that had FDIC insurance and are regulated by the government are subject to the Community Reinvestment Act."

Nice try - won't sell. No mortgage companies were beyond the leverage of the CRA mou mouing they could be subjected to by 'community organizers' like ACORN. Besides, Fannie and Freddie - crookedly run by various criminal dhimmi/leftist party financiers (Raines, Gorelick, etc.) - were supposedly backstopping the whole rotten house of cards.

They knew the system and how to crash it at just the right moment (Penny Pritzker had already done it in a trial run with a Chicago bank she inherited from her father - Shumer, an avid pupil, pulled the trigger in July 2008 with squawk against IndyMac).

The meltdown came not as a result of not regulating enough - it came because they were being regulated and pressured too much - by dhimmis. Sure people made money based on the bum paper but that didn't cause what happened.

Quit making things up to suit your lying shtick...

Opening the flood gates

I want to set up a single family affordable housing tax credit to the tune of $2.4 billion over the next five years to encourage affordable single family housing in inner-city America. One of the things that the Secretary is going to do is he's going to simplify the closing documents and all the documents that have to deal with home ownership. And I'm proud to report that Fannie Mae has heard the call and, as I understand, it's about $440 billion over a period of time. They've used their influence to create that much capital available for the type of home buyer we're talking about here. It's in their charter; it now needs to be implemented. Freddie Mac is interested in helping. I appreciate both of those agencies providing the underpinnings of good capital.
President George W. Bush – June 18, 2002

There are 2 foxes that were raiding the chicken house. Republican blame the Democratic fox, and Democrats blame the Republican fox. We need to get rid of both of these foxes.

faster they rise... harder they fall
I know Obama will fail because of the stimululus package - that I want him to fail is irrelevant. It's not just the content of the package - but also the way it was put into play that makes it banana republic 101. And to be honest, when I heard his first speech (we gotta change, we gotta just change change change) you just knew he was going to be another Carter if elected.

Bob... It's a catch 22
Like you - I'm mad as sin at Bush and republicans - yet - I've learned not to bash Bush in front of Democrats. It's like feeding new york steak to a school of piranha. Within minutes they'll bring up the 2000 election. The idea of a 3rd party is appealing.

Carlos - I hear you

I'm an independent, quickly moving towards becoming a social conservative (can't abide the lib's gay lust promotion, abortion, and social engineering which continues to devastate the minority communities specifically and the general population as a whole.)

I come to this conservative site because even though I have been a life long blue dog Democrat (over 40 years voting), they have made it abundantly clear, as a white male, I am their new second class citizen and no longer welcome. My how the pendulum does swing.

Hear I can voice my opinions as an independent and at least be tolerated. There is so much hate and nastiness on the liberal blogs I just can't deal with them anymore. I admit it, I voted for Obama, but never again.

Heres what we do know.

When Bush was deficit spending on incresing, Border Security, Airline Security, Port Security. Rail Security, Trucking Security, 1st responders training, Bio-weapon detectors, Dirty Bomb dectector, facial recognition programs, Liberals were outraged.

Now that Obama is deficit spending on Tatoo Removal, Frisbie Parks, welcome centers for illegal migrant workers, and other programs, Liberals are overjoyed.

Good post

Good point, Useful Idiots.

There is more to say. The largest increase in sp