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Monday, April 27, 2009
Dick Morris and  Eileen McGann :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Anti-American Foreign Policy
by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
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Apparently, here's the deal: If you are a longtime enemy of the United States, count on a grand reception from the Obama administration. All is forgiven and, worse, forgotten. But if you have a track record as an ally or friend, you won't get the right time of day.

Consider how our enemies are being treated:

Fidel Castro's Cuba? The travel restrictions will be lifted and, doubtless, soon the embargo will be repealed.

Hugo Chavez's Venezuela? Despite the proof of political imprisonment, repression of liberties, confiscation of newspapers, and electoral violence and fraud, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton tells Chavez that "ideology is so yesterday," and Obama give Chavez a "yo bro" handshake.

Vladimir Putin's Russia? It invaded Georgia, but who's counting? We are "resetting" the relationship.

Hamas? $900 million of foreign aid, channeled through the UNRWA, a United Nations front filled with Hamas operatives.

Iran? No need to stop uranium enrichment -- the United States will begin endless talks while Tehran nears nuclear capacity.

And our friends?

Israel? Vice President Biden warns against military action to stop Iran from getting the bomb. And Defense Secretary Gates joins the chorus. The administration pressures Israel to buy into the two-state solution, requiring it to recognize a Palestinian state dominated by Hamas and dedicated to the destruction of Israel. The last time Israel ceded territory to the Palestinians, they used the land for new rocket launching pads.

Britain? Obama returned the Churchill bust and humiliated Prime Minister Gordon Brown by giving a gift of some DVDs on his visit.

Colombia? While President Uribe battles those who want to send drugs into our country and faces a military buildup from neighboring Venezuela, Obama won't submit the free trade deal with Bogota to the Senate.

And, within the United States, we free the Guantanamo terrorists while we investigate and potentially prosecute those who interrogated them in an effort to protect us all from their planned mayhem.

What a great time to be our enemy! What a terrible time to be our friend!

Oblivious to the record of terror attacks thwarted by enhanced interrogation techniques, Obama opens the door to prosecuting -- criminally -- those who authorized them.

Does he not realize that there would be no Brooklyn Bridge -- and ten thousand people would have died in the waters of the East River -- if we had not waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? After the National Security Administration picked up mentions of the "Brooklyn Bridge" in its warrantless wiretaps, it alerted New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly to the possibility of a terror attack against the bridge. Kelly flooded the bridge with cops and commissioned an engineering study to determine how one could bring down the bridge, plunging ten thousand people into the East River during rush hour.

 The study said it was impossible to blow the bridge up -- one would have been discovered -- but that a terrorist could sever the cable holding it aloft with a torch. It would take weeks, but the terrorists could work, undetected, in a vacant building that housed the cables under the bridge. The traffic noises would mask their efforts, and the building was not patrolled or even visited by anyone.

 The terrorist noted the cops on the bridge and sent a message, intercepted by the NSA, that it was "too hot on the Brooklyn Bridge." But it was not until we waterboarded Mohammed that we learned the identity of the al-Qaida operative -- Lyman Farris. On learning his name, the New York Police raided his Brooklyn apartment. Chillingly, they found the equipment he would need to bring down the bridge and an engineering diagram (akin to that which Kelly had ordered) identifying where they would have to stand to cut the cables.

 Does Obama really want to prosecute the anti-terror investigators who saved thousands by waterboarding Mohammed and learning this information?

Yes, he damn well does!

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Dick Morris, a former political adviser to Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and President Bill Clinton, is the author of Condi vs. Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race. To get all of Dick Morris’s and Eileen McGann’s columns for free by email, go to www.dickmorris.com
 
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Obama is the enemy within
We have made a grave mistake in electing this anti-American fool to the presidency. First of all, he's probably not even an American, nor a Christian. We are prevented by the courts and the media from finding out.

Pray that our country can survive the sabotage and destruction that this grinning, slick-talking, baby-killing traitor and his cronies in Congress are planning for our Republic.

Mr. Morris...

Dang you, Morris!

How dare you assault our God?

He, "Barak", the annointed one, will save us.

I don't think that more than a few million will die, but this is necessary, to proclaim islam is a peaceful religion.

After all, they have only killed and enslaved a few hundred million humans, since about the year AD 660.

I am giving you a minus 50 points. You disgust me by telling the truth,



G-D SAVE US ALL
I couldn't agree more with JAYBIRD, he really articulated my thoughts. Morris you said it all in a nutshell. Our only hope is that the American people wake up and get rid of this so called president! How could anyone with half a brain have voted for this man? I just don't get it.

TYLER
Now I know why we are in such a mess. If the voting public is represented by TYLER, then we are all doomed.

Well done, Dick
The media has been quite successful in manipulating the public with disinformation. In fact, it has been routine for the media to discredit or marginalize the intelligence successes in thwarting terrorist plots.

Remember the mass airline thing over the Atlantic, the Brooklyn Bridge plot, the Lincoln tunnel, the Buffalo cell, the planned Los Angeles attack etc., etc., etc. - all terrorist plots in various stages of being carried out. And they all had one thing in common - sneering, dismissive treatment from the leftist media.

Read Andrew McCarthy's (the Federal District US prosecutor who got the Blind Sheik, Rahman, for the 1993 WTC bombing) 'Willful Blindness' for a full description of how the leftist fascists have undermined our domestic defensive measures.

He also makes the forceful case that this Jihad can not be dealt with as a matter of law enforcement which would necessarily preclude all the niceties of 'rights' and the usual law enforcement techniques. Why? Because the terrorists depend on these legal system weaknesses and prepare for them. Some have actually beat their cases (remember the guy who murdered Mier Kahane?). But the biggest is: law enforcement isn't allowed the luxury of prior restraint - and then must 'prove' the case after the fact.

McCarthy points out how the WTC 1993 attack actually was carried out and might have been prevented because, although there were some leads, they couldn't be acted upon because of law enforcement restrictions, acquisition of proof and Clinton's justice dept.

cont'd

Well done, Dick cont'd
Remember when the left went nuts over the supposed compromise of 'CIA Agent' (aka office cleric), mega-liar and phoney, Valerie Plame, and her scum of a husband, Wilson, who were really unindicted co-conspirators in an effort to compromise our intelligence efforts.

Quite disingenuous in light of recent acts, to wit:

Release of SELECTED Top Secret memos for world wide consumption with nary a raised eye brow while our trusted allies, as well as our field agents, gasp in horror at the possibility that they themselves are being compromised as well.

YOU CAN BET: they already have their lies concocted for blaming Bush for anything that happens under this present treacherous fool's administration. If it Should happen, it's the current administration which should stand trial for treason.

GEORGE
Maybe if you stopped long enough to think instead of name call you might understand why we are so unnerved by what is going on. Think...It might be a new concept, just try it.

Georgie
I don't see anyone here 'frothing at the mouth' but you. Other than name calling, dismissively sneering and mocking denials and demands that Morris 'STFU', I don't see anything put forth by you that would qualify as even 'half intelligent'.

Indoctrination does impose its own limitations, now doesn't it, Georgie. Now go back to your play pen and suck on your pacifier, (whoever it might be).

FLIGHTS 1549, 3407 AND 9/11
What is the connection between the crash landings of flights 1549 in downstate New York, 3407 in upstate New York, 9/11 and Obama's national security policies? Click my name and read "Flights 1549, 3407 and 9/11" for the answer.

So what about enforcing the law?
The Attorney General in his function as top federal prosecutor has to abide by the law, not the wishes of the president that nominated him.
The Attorney General has to prosecute if there is sufficient evidence that a law has been broken, regardless of whether that served a presumed higher purpose.
There once was a dreamy-eyed, liberal, internationalist president called Ronald W. Reagan who signed the U.N. Anti Torture Convention and urged the U.S. Senate to "demonstrate unequivocally our desire to bring an end to the abhorrent practice of torture." (Message on May 20, 1988)
The Convention not only prohibits torture under any circumstances but also "other acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment which do not amount to torture as defined in article I, when such acts are committed by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity." (Article 16).
Furthermore, there is legal precedent in the U.S. regarding the classification of various techniques as torture.
Quite a few legal scholars and military personnel think what happened was torture.
Should the AG even abstain to looking into this matter and check if the law had been broken?
Should your president disregard the constitution by impeding the AG to enforce the law?
It is funny how people who profess to be all for "law and order" forget the law bit when it comes to public officials.

Augo
"Should your president disregard the constitution by impeding the AG to enforce the law?"

Please tell me you were being facetious..

Are you truly so "glossy-eyed" that the current administration's "disregard of the Constitution" has escaped your all-seeing eyes?

Thank God you are not a pilot.



On facts and their interpretation 1
„All is forgiven and forgotten.“ That is quite a sweeping statement. Let us see what the facts tell us:

Travel restrictions to Cuba will be lifted, embargo will be repealed. So what? Why does impeding Cuban Americans to travel to Cuba to visit their relatives constitute a “grand reception” for Castro? Last time I heard of travel restrictions was of the German “Democratic” Republic impeding my countrymen to visit their relatives.
Is the embargo forgotten, if after forty years proven incapable to depose Castro and his minions from power, somebody comes to his senses and decides, let’s have another tack?

Now I read Mrs. Clinton’s remark “ideology is so yesterday” as a critique of Chávez’s approach to the U.S. but if you are keen on misunderstanding, you will. Furthermore, as much as I don’t like Chávez and think him a buffoon, he is a potent, and quite effective adversary you have to deal with. Ronald Reagan met Gorbachev well before he there was an indication what Gorbachev would bring about. Heck, Rumsfeld even met Saddam Hussein in the good old times when the U.S. propped him up as adversary to the Iranians.

The beacon of democracy in Georgia, Mr. Sakashvili, not only has considerable opposition from disappointed democracy activists, there is also evidence that he provided the Russians with an excuse to intervene by first resorting to violence and bombarding the South Ossetians. Things are by far clear cut, and again, while Putin stands for everything that is bad and autocratic in today’s Russia, he was by no means better when somebody looked into his eyes and found him to be a good, decent man. Point: You can either bomb and kill everybody nasty into oblivion, as Joel-De Oppresso Liber phantasizes. You can boycott. Or you talk.

On facts and their interpretation 2
UNWRA provides humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza. Regardless of whether people support Hamas or not (and we know that a considerable minority does not), why is it wrong to provide people with the necessities for survival, as they clearly cannot otherwise. Or are you arguing to Joel-De’s solution?

How far did the Bush administration get with the attempt to NOT talk to the Iranians? Do you really believe that there is a viable military solution for the undisputable Iranian desire to acquire a nuclear bomb? Is talking with Ahmadinejad “forgetting” and “forgiving”?

Are you sure you are on the right side on Israel? Hamas is against the two state solution, too. Does that make you a Hamas-lover? Of course not. And isn’t that a clever wording: “requiring [Israel] to recognizing a Palestinian state dominated by Hamas”? Yes, there can be doubts that if the Palestinians choose again to being represented by Hamas, this administration might tolerate it, yet so far I can only see considerable effort to prop up Mr. Abbas and his followers.

How come that you have somehow found such a compassion for a “socialist” like Gordon Brown that you include this ridiculous bit on the gifts exchanged in your litany of Obama’s “anti-americanism”?

Your friend Uribe might proclaim to be your friend but his human rights record and liens to the paramilitary narco-terrorist underground is at least as despicable as that of Hugo Chávez with the other part of the narco-terrorist of the FARC. Nice friends to have.

Finally, who is talking about releasing the Guantanamo terrorists? There is a problem with clearly innocent people like the Uighurs - “freedom fighters” in every other context. It seems, you are suddenly on the side of the Chinese government, nice company there! “Releasing” the terrorists into high security prisons on U.S. soil constitutes release?

It’s nice if you can read the facts in a one-sided fashion.

Crisis management
What if Obama's team of crazies is not at all adverse to a really fine crisis, ideally to take place shortly before the 2012 elections, which would allow them to shut down all opposition under the cover of "protecting" national security?

Clinton
Pilots, as far as I know, rely on facts not opinions.
Even if you were to present convincing facts which you apparently have no inclination to, does that invalidate my argument?

Augo, have you ever competed in sports?
Rule #1: Never show your competitor any sign of weakness, lest you wish your weakness to be exploited, as you take it on the chin.

Rule #2: Never underestimate the ability of your competition.

Rule #3: Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing.

Based on the criteria above, you and BO both stink.


Augo...to what branch of the...
...federal government do you belong? I'm sick and tired of sending money to anyone, but especially those who have openly admitted they want to destroy the hand that feeds them...

what is new
The positive side to this is that maybe the democrats who continually break laws will finally be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. When we get another Republican administration all the lies and deception the democrats have been showing down our throat will come back to bite. This is granted the media does not help them continually destroy our country. The whole democrat party is intent on destroying this country so they can bring about socialism and they do not care how many have to die.

Poor George
It appears when confronted with the truth, the left, with Bush dearragement disorders, revert to personal attacks by using crude filthy language.
The trump card when there is too many facts is: Hitler.
Poor George, we will all pray for him.

President Obama's diplomacy
Do you guys recall Nixon-Chrmn. Mao or Reagan-Gorbachev? Poor memories or ugly, political bias?

Robert:
Do you remember Reagan-Gorbachev in Reykjavík?

Best friends
Why was the Reagan administration such good buddies with Saddam?

And, quite frankly, why did Morris take his hooker friends to the White House other agencies of national security interests, just to impress her?

Clinton: On sports and politics
Interesting that you bring it up. I don't think you should compare them, as there is in sports another element involved that contradicts your #3 rule: I learnt that fairness has a role to play.
Now, I do NOT think that fairness should be an element in foreign politics wehen dealing with dictators.
I wonder, though, what is strength: Talking tough and throwing over a third rate dictator because he is overthrowable - but almost blundering on the aftermath and at what cost? Did North Korea move a bit because having been included in the "axis of evil" rhetoric? If you can't handle Iraq and Afghanistan now, how are you going to deal militarily with Iran? What did fourty years of "showing strength" towards Castro did you get to?
If having my hands dirtied - and therefore "stinking" - gets the job done, so be it. Rhetorical Heman-ship and ideological purety have been tried in the last eight years. Just going on to hit your face in shi* over and over again, does not solve a problem - apart from feeling swell and oh so strong.
If we have to compare sports with politics: I do like American football but if as a quarterback you shut out your brain in football, you get nowhere.
I am still waiting for arguments.

Real Politik
Taft, I am tired of you asking the question about why the Reagan administration was such good buddies with Saddam at that time. Real politik means the country advances its interests even if it is sometimes cooperating with less than stellar countries. At the time, Iraq was in a war with our enemy Iran. If you recall, Iran had taken over our embassy and held our embassy personnel as hostages until weak kneed Jimmy Carter left office. In order to punish Iran we decided to help Iraq. We felt that Iran was the bigger threat to our national security. BUT, things change. We do not conduct foreign policy like friendships. In other words, we do not become best friends forever with countries. When their policies change and it is no longer in our interest to ally with them, we CHANGE. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, one of our allies, then Iraq became an enemy. When Afghanistan was fighting our enemy the Soviet Union, we backed Afghanistan. Get it? Now, could you please stop displaying your naivete? By the way, Iran is still a threat to our national security. Iraq is not.

Typical leftist responses
I suppose it would have been a bit much to expect the leftists who infest this site to discuss the points of the article and put forth some reasoned arguments for their positions. Instead they make snide comments on the writer (as though that makes anything he said any less true or relevant), they make some inane comments about talking to our enemies instead of confronting them (Neville Chamberlain, anyone?), and go frothing at the mouth and making no sense at all.

As for Reagan and Saddam, we had to make a choice at the time between two repugnant options. Reagan made what he considered the best choice of the two. That often happens in international relations, you go with the one who is less offensive. The fact that we went in later and removed Saddam does not invalidate the actions Reagan took at the time. As far as I know nobody has the ability to look into the future and see the consequences of their actions. They have to make decisions based on the information they have at the time, right or wrong.

So, all you lefties, how about addressing the points in the article and stop with the vitriol?

daft: Leave it to YOU, a typical

intellectually limited liberal idiot, to attempt to divert from the POINT.

The title of the column is....

"Obama's Anti-American Foreign Policy"

Reagan and his administration have NOTHING... repeat, NOTHING to do with this column.


(And neither does your other sleazy comment, but why not bring up Billy Boy Clinton?)





It's Just Insane
What government in it's right mind feeds the population of it's enemy while they are at war? We are in a war on terrorism and Hamas is a bunch of terrorists...why do we aid their population? I'm all for humanitarian aid to the poor starving populace of a country struggling to rebuild after a natural disaster or a war but during a conflict it's absolutely insane to give your enemy the means with which to defeat you. Hamas simply takes the humanitarian and uses it to recruit new suicide bombers or sells it to buy more rockets. No aid unless they 1) recognize Israel's right to exist, 2) renounce violence as a political tactic (i.e. no more rocket attacks or suicide bombers) and 3) allow for free and fair elections monitored by the international election commission.

So sorry about that you libbies...

There really isn't anything you can honestly say ... operative word here is "honestly,"
to refute what Morris has stated.

Obozo is, without question, anti-American, and he's done everything he could possibly do to bring down our country... and in only 100 days!!!

There is no question, Obozo's legacy WILL BE either...

Barack Husseim Obama, America's black president who destroyed the United States of America.

or

Barack Husseim Obama, America's black president who 'almost' destroyed the United States of America.


Publius4254: Let's argue
If you were to read all the posts you would have to admit that name calling is not a privilege only of "all the leftits". And though I have to bite my tongue at times, I would support a call for fact supported arguments, not epithets.
I invite you to respond to my arguments as your fellow "rightists" prefer to cling to cloudy generalizations.
As a preventive note: I do not claim that my reading of the facts the authors present is necessarily the correct one, what I lament is M&McG's one-sidedness.

from Wikipedia...
On August 29, 1996, Morris resigned from the Clinton campaign after reports surfaced that he had been involved with a prostitute. A tabloid newspaper had obtained and published a set of photographs of Morris and the woman on a Washington, D.C., hotel balcony. The Electronic Telegraph reported claims that in order to impress the woman, Sherry Rowlands, Morris invited her to listen in on conversations with the President.


OBAMA'S MEXICO TRIP & THE SWINE FLU
The White House issuing a statement about the swine flu assures us that: "It's not a time to panic." We can trust that Obama has everything under control and that panicking is unnecessary. To ease our fears Obama has instructed DHS Chief Napalitano to leave the borders with Mexico open and not test those who are returning. And if a pandemic should breakout because of this policy don't worry, don't panic, keep cool like Obama, for he will save the day by proposing a new stimulus spending bill to deal with it.

Click my name and read the rest of this piece

McSame 2008
And your point would be?

Anne
The fact that they can't honestly say anything won't stop them in the least. They will continue with the "toe-sucking" comments and asking about Reagan and Saddam. They have no argument and they know it. Trying to dodge and deflect is all they can do. And they wonder why they have no credibility on this site.

What would Reagan do?
This is the definition of torture according to the UN (yes the UN!) treaty that Ronald Reagan signed and championed (yes CHAMPIONED)!

Article 1.
1. For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

2. This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.

Article 2.
1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.


You folks might want to reread article 2 section 2. Then ask yourself how we can NOT prosecute Bush and Cheney for war crimes.

Then ask yourselves: What has the Republican Party become. Where are your morals?

Phylo out.

Dick
Dick Morris is a fraud and a liar. The bottom line is that the world thinks much more highly of the United States because Barack Obama is our president.

The Europeans, our allies if you'll recall, love the guy.

Of course, to you righties, that's a bad thing, right?

And I just love how you folks get your panties in a twist over Obama shaking hands with Chavez.

IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME YOU MORONS! I've seen plenty of pictures of Republican presidents shaking hands with communists and dictators. You people are losing all touch with reality.

Meanwhile, Obama's approval rating continue to be sky high.


Phylo
Europe loves the guy because billions of Tarp and Stimulus dollars will find their way into the European economy. I notice with all that love flowing, there was little reciprocity. But then, perception is reality?

Guess the quote
"The United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment. I call on all nations to speak out against torture in all its forms and to make ending torture an essential part of their diplomacy."


That would be George W Bush ladies and gentleman, urging the investigation and prosecution of prisoner abuse and torture under his command, June 26, 2003.

Among the specific techniques cited by Bush were repeated beatings, something he authorized, along with waterboarding and stress positions, for prisoners in US captivity.

How do you folks explain this?

Phylo, your an assshole.
The UN?

You have GOT to be kidding.

Anyone that trusts in the anti-USA institution that is the UN is a "Phylo" or commonly known as an asssshole.

Phylo the ahole would rather bow down to the UN than stand up for his own country.

Where are your morals?

In Obamaland, where Phylo remains in a dazed stupor, it is more convenient to join our enemies in the quest for totalitarian control of the people than to rescue our economy the right way through freedom.

Obama sees more similarity in his approach to governance and can grasp the leadership style of Ahmadinijihad, Putin, Castro, Chavez, Hamas, Hezbollah, and other repressive regimes more easily than the Founding Father's perspective on freedom and liberty. This is why Obama cuddles up to these dictators, he can learn from them!

Phylo, I'll send you your Obama cheerleader pom poms, they will match your cheerleader skirt well.

Dave "R.I.P. USA" out.

Superman's Bizarro World
With Obama and his administration everything has been turned on it's head.

We stop prosecuting the terrorists, give them a new moniker, then focus on demonizing their interragators.

I'm just stockpiling food, getting my license to carry a concealed weapon, and am otherwise preparing for the inevitable.

2 + 2 = 4

Because I can read the handwriting on the wall doesn't make me responsible for writing it.

It's pointless to refer to the big picture with Liberals because facts only mean something to them if it coincides with their opinions, otherwise it's as if contary conditions don't actually exist.

It's like a bad sci-fi movie where everyone's in some mass collective state of denial.

Not a lot different than Hitler's Germany of the 1930's...as he's said:

"The great masses of the people are more easily swayed by a big lie than by a small one."

They thought he was awesome too.

Conservative's response to Phlylo
UN is a meaningless organization. Iran was head of it's Human Rights Branch. Waterboarding and sleep deprivation are harsh, but not torture. Our fighting men and women are subject to both for training purposes. Should we arrest everyone in our military? Morality through inaction and ignorance isn't morality it's just stupid. If a person was charging at you with a knife would you close your eyes and tell him to go away. Or if you knew this person posed imminent danger would you do something. These are decision for adults to make (Obama has proven he isn't). Being adult is about making hard decisions where neither choice is good, but you have to make one. Not shaking hands with every dictator and pretending everything great. Please research the Carter administration and view the consequences.

No Dusty
They love Barack Obama because he's not a belligerent, lying, torturing SOB.

Any money from TARP went to European banks because the credit default swap agreements AIG had with those banks. AIG owed them the money.

The problem with you Republicans is that you don't actually read real news sources. You get all of your information from right wing spin monkeys who only give you one side of every story.

This makes it really easy for people who get their news from real sources to prove you wrong so often. You people look like fools to the reality based world.

To Augo and others like him:
And here I thought that Neville Chamberlain was dead.

What a horse's a**. (I should have made that plural to cover both you and old Neville.) There are some folks that can talk the good talk, but they are evil nevertheless. No one is going to convert the leaders that Obamass is sucking up to and, like the scorpion and the turtle, will deliver their poison even if they drown,too.

Jason
So I guess Ronald Reagan was not an adult either. Right Jason? He was a naive child for signing a UN treaty? Right?

Phylo
Maybe...but we all read history books and you know about that, don;t you? History is prolouge.

And your a horse's butt which spews nothing but manure, day after day. Don't you ever get tired of yourself, being so redundant?


Sorry, John, you do present an argument
I was writing my last post when your post appeared. Thanks for taking up an argument!
As far as I know, Hamas is not at war with the United States, Hamas is at war with Israel. Now, I do agree that Hamas is violating all rules of war when fighting Israel. I still would argue that it is not very intelligent Israeli policy to starve the Gaza population - apart from probably violating the Geneva and Hague conventions.
Your argument uses the all-catch "terrorism" term for constructing a war of the U.S. against Hamas. The U.S. are in war of terror, Hamas are terrorists, therefore we are in a war against the 'Hamas population'.
I do not buy into that. As a rule, I do not think that "war" is the way to fight terrorists. Terrorists are criminals, and you use the appropriate - lawful - law enforcement means to deal with them. In the case of Gaza, terrorists or their enablers move the levers of power which would make war an appropriate option. But then: the U.S. is not at war with Gaza.
You might argue, M&McG complained about the Obama administration not aiding its friend Israel, therefore, feeding the Gaza population would be an unfriendly act towards Israel. That would be true if trying a new tack on resolving the Israel-Palestinian problem would be illegitimate. Just showing strength, as Israel has tried at times, did not get them very far. It is true that concessions by Israel backfired, also. But there is evidence that it is not impossible to rehabilitate and make peace with "terrorists": Menachem Begin once was undeniably a terrorists - or what do you call blowing up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem other than a terrorist act? - and he still got the Camp David agreements. And ex-terrorists now are part of a Northern Ireland administration. That's the price you sometime have to pay for peace.
Of course, it is easier to stick to ideological purity - and move nothing.

Dave RIP USA
You're an idiot. Did you see that Ronald Reagan signed and championed that treaty? Is Ronald Reagan anti-American now too?

This is because
he is just so glad that the enemies of the U. S. A., a group the bamster belongs to, do not blame him for what went on in America when he was 3 months old.

Europeans Again
Once again Augo proves he truly is a European, ignorant of how our government works:

"The Attorney General in his function as top federal prosecutor has to abide by the law, not the wishes of the president that nominated him."

Yes, and the Tooth Fairy suffers from the effects of inflation.

Actually, if there were a Tooth Fairy, the effects of the coming "staflation" would be horrendous for all business, including the Tooth Fairy racket.

Judith
Instead of calling me names, try making an actual argument. When you resort to calling names, it's because you don't have an argument and you're frustrated.

A wise person recognizes this and either tries to find a better argument, or they reassess their original position.

Repub Presidents to shake hands with
Republican presidents do shake hands with brutal dictators. But they do it as a reward for good brutal dictator behavior and America usually gets something from them. A concession. This is called good diplomacy. As oppose to the Obama tactic. "Have you said or done anything horrible to the United States?" "I'll be right over. No, no need for anything in return I trust you brutal dictator. You can get me on the back end."

Phylo what was response to the Bush Putin debacle? Did you say Bush was brilliant because Bush saw into Putin soul? I think most people thought it was dumb and most should think it was dumb. Our President's actions legitimize leaders in the world. It's more valuable to these people than gold or all of their people's lives (sociopath and human life in all). Don't you think we should get something for it.

Phylo the ASSSHOLE
So genius, what is your prescription for dealing with TERRORISTS?

Giving them warm milk and cookies?

LOL!!

China
"Hugo Chavez's Venezuela? Despite the proof of political imprisonment, repression of liberties, confiscation of newspapers, and electoral violence and fraud, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton tells Chavez that "ideology is so yesterday," and Obama give Chavez a "yo bro" handshake."

ANd how is this any different from say China? There is political imprisonment including US permanent residents and Venezeula didn't hold the crew of a US military aircraft hostage for some 10 days either. There is repression of civil liberties and the closing down of publications the government doesn't like--e.g. Freezing Point (Bingdian), outside of the village level there are no free elections at all nor are there any political parties able to compete against the CCP. US presidents have been very warm toward Chinese leaders who have visited the US as well as when they have visited China. If the standard is the US shouldn't be civil to leaders of anti-democratic regimes, then why is China an exception?

jaybird
He is an American and who cares if he is a Christian or not.

Jason
Adults know that people can disagree without being disagreeable. Obama didn't give anything to Chavez in terms of aid or policy. Chavez knows that Obama is more popular than he is, so he played the cameras to get a favorable photo. It was Chavez who was sucking up to Obama. And all Obama did in return is treat the man with a minimum of respect, and accord, which is exactly what every other president would do, and should do with a guy like Chavez.

I suppose you would have cheered if Bush had punched Chavez in the nose, right? You kids on the far right love yourselves some cowboy diplomacy, right? How'd that work out for W?

And why are you ignoring the fact that Ronald Reagan championed that UN treaty? Is that fact too painful and embarrassing for you to acknowledge?

Augo
Hmm.....Reagan walked out on Gorbachav! He dealt from a position of power. Obama does not, he allows himself to be a useful idiot to dictators and tyrants worldwide.

As for Kennedy, he sold out Cuba at the Bay of Pigs and again during the missle crisis. He was useless.

Akagi in GA
Reply # 54
Date: Apr 27, 2009 - 9:38 AM EST

"Hugo Chavez's Venezuela? Despite the proof of political imprisonment, repression of liberties, confiscation of newspapers, and electoral violence and fraud, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton tells Chavez that "ideology is so yesterday," and Obama give Chavez a "yo bro" handshake."

"ANd how is this any different from say China?"

Follow the money trail Akagi. China buys our debt, of course our short sighted, anti-American politicians will look the other way when dealing with China.

As far as Venezuela, Obama has no balls to deal with hostile regimes. Obama gives stature and elevates the world leadership positions of the dictators of our time by dealing directly with them rather through ambassadors.

Obama is the President, he should not communicate one on one with modern day thugs, let the thugs deal with ambassadors. Don't give them prestige and acknowledge their stature by elevating them to the same level as the POTUS.

Or is Obama sinking to their level? I think this is more accurate, Obama is socialst garbage material, not United States presidential material.

Dave RIP USA
My suggestion is that we do what Barack Obama is doing. We go after the terrorists where they are: in Pakistan and Afghanistan. I also suggest that we don't invade and occupy countries that had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism.

And, for your information, Zubayduh gave up the information that Kahlid Sheik Mohammad was the master mind of 9/11 while the FBI interrogators were treating his wounds, not because we tortured him. I learned about this while listening to NPR, which does actual reporting.

Zubaydah was tortured later on because Cheney and Bush wanted him to say that there were links between Iraq and Al Queda, which was never the case. Bush and Cheney tortured these guys because they wanted to cover their assses for the lie that Iraq and anything to do with Islamic terror.

I just want you to know what you are really defending.

Obama and Lebanon Arms Sale

Why is Barack Obama authorizing an Arms Sale to Lebanon. including 'Military Tanks'?

"Lebanese president Gen. Michel Suleiman has more than once threatened neighboring Israel.

When he signed the arms deal in Ankara Tuesday, April 21, he once again pledged publicly to place the Lebanese army at the disposal of the Shiite terrorist Hezbollah in any confrontation with Israel."


Akagi
"He is an American and who cares if he is a Christian or not."

We have been provided with NO PROOF that he is an American and he lied about being a Christian to get elected.

Phylo
NPR does actual reporting! That is a pretty hard sell.

da lao shu gen xiao lao shu
"After all, they have only killed and enslaved a few hundred million humans, since about the year AD 660..."

Depends. Non-Muslims in Malaysia can't be seen as slaves in any sense of the word. And much of the "slavery" aspect of Islam in other places is more cultural than anything. The Saudis would treat women the way they do even if they were all Catholics or Lutherens.

Ali Soufan, American Hero

"We kept him alive," Soufan says. "It wasn't easy, he couldn't drink, he had a fever. I was holding ice to his lips." Gaudin, for his part, cleaned Abu Zubaydah's buttocks. During this time, Soufan and Gaudin also began the questioning; it became a "mental poker game." At first, Abu Zubaydah even denied his identity, insisting that his name was "Daoud."

But Soufan had poured through the bureau's intelligence files and stunned Abu Zubaydah when he called him "Hani"—the nickname that his mother used for him. Soufan also showed him photos of a number of terror suspects who were high on the bureau's priority list. Abu Zubaydah looked at one of them and said, "That's Mukhtar."

Now it was Soufan who was stunned.

The FBI had been trying to determine the identity of a mysterious "Mukhtar," whom bin Laden kept referring to on a tape he made after 9/11. Now Soufan knew: Mukhtar was the man in the photo, terror fugitive Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and, as Abu Zubaydah blurted out, " the one behind 9/11."

As the sessions continued, Soufan engaged Abu Zubaydah in long discussions about his world view, which included a tinge of socialism. After Abu Zubaydah railed one day about the influence of American imperialist corporations, he asked Soufan to get him a Coca-Cola—a request that prompted the two of them to laugh. Soon enough, Abu Zubaydah offered up more information—about the bizarre plans of a jihadist from Puerto Rico to set off a "dirty bomb" inside the country. This information led to Padilla's arrest in Chicago by the FBI in early May.


Torture is not only illegal and immoral, it is unnecessary.

David
Beats the heck out of getting your news from World Nut Daily, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

Phylo the Obama crotch sniffer
Reply # 57
Date: Apr 27, 2009 - 9:48 AM EST

"And why are you ignoring the fact that Ronald Reagan championed that UN treaty? Is that fact too painful and embarrassing for you to acknowledge?"

Uh, Reagan was President how long ago? Before 9/11/01 right? You do remember 09/11/2001 Phylo, or were you too young back then and Mommy and Daddy did not let you watch TV?

Any dealings with the UN is an American embarrasment. I am not ignoring your pitiful attempt to paint Reagan this way or Reagan's position.

This is a new era Phylo. Did we cut the heads off of terror suspects, subject them to rape rooms, cut out their tounges, rip out their fingernails, electrocute them, drip acid on them, put them in a woodchipper feet first (Saddam Hussein's favorate for kids)? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no.

Phylo, Get your warm milk and cookies ready for your terrorist friends.

LMAO!!

Dave out!

Phylo is a troll plant
Ignore him.

You cannot argue with a paid provocateur any more than you can with a real libera.

Phylo and others like him:
ADVERSITY
By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity--another man's I mean.
- Following the Equator - Mark Twain

That's kinda how I feel about you with your ranting and raving and the other far left liberals who get on here and are rude, selfish and unable to grasp concepts which require a long range view. I'll remind you of that when the terrorist hit you idiots close to home.

As I learned in ICU, death is deaf, dumb and blind. It's a roll of the dice, nothing more, nothing less. I don't, however, feel like greeting the haggard monster just because America has a cluster-fu*k of liberals who can't see the forest for the trees. They just feel that "love" should solve all problems.

Try telling that to a Pediatric ICU RN who took care of a child who chocked to death because he mother stuff cake down her throat and into her trachea. Bet she thinks Obamass is the holy grail, too.

Phylo
Dude, your proselytizing of the COW gets old. Yes, torture is illegal. We ALL get that. Regardless of how it came about, National Security of the troops has been compromised. You cannot discount that.
When you come back at me for the Geneva Conventions and how it applies, don't bother. 1949 Conventions were not applicable because Iraq and Afghanistan did not participate. Even if they were applied, what happened to Nick Berg, Daniel Pearl and the four contractors hung from the bridge?
Any government employee has ROE. But you people who have no clue consistently change the rules to fit. Torture is wrong, rule of law.

How would you have reacted then to a report that 10,000 people were killed as a result of a terror attack? And how would you react to GWB having said, "well, we had a clue, but KSM wouldn't talk." Might you have replied our tactics for extracting weren't good enough and that GWB was a moron?
It doesn't matter to you people that perhaps 10k lives were saved, no. Or that lives were saved in LA.

Sadly, you just want to spew your hatred of GWB and everything he thought was necessary to keep our people safe and you give the COW a pass on everything North has laid out in his column.
Do you not believe that the troops are somehow compromised?
And, in your mind, are you saying "Thank God only three people were tortured by us?" Never caring to think that now, AQ has been given carte-blanche to do WTF it wants to our troops if given the chance?

This to me is aiding and abetting the enemy of our war strategies. Does that not compute with you people? Or are you saying, " I never wanted this war, the troops protections, but Obama should be getting his brownie points and sticking it to Bush and the troops?"

Paula
Since he was a member of a Christian Church for some 20 years that gives me a pretty good idea he is indeed a Christian or has the United Church of Christ now joined Islam and I wasn't told.

No proof he was ever in Kenya as a child, no proof his mom was ever in Kenya--EVER and not in 1961, no proof his father was in Kenya in 1961, no passport records, N-400s (or whatever they were called in the 1960s), no visa applications, other immigration forms--nothing.

Even if his mother was unable to pass on citizenship to him (not having been inside the US since she was 14 for 5 years as Obama was born when she was 18), as a US citizen she still could have brought him to the US as a child of a US citizen. No one brings in someone to the US illegally that can be brought in legally. Plan to weave a rational story why she'd have done this and how she did it--carry little Obama in her carry on?

I am pretty sure people looked into the travels of Ann Dunham in 1961 very carefully--people working for McCain and Clinton especially. If this story had legs, they would have found out months and months ago.

renny in NJ
Reply # 68
Date: Apr 27, 2009 - 10:06 AM EST

"Phylo is a troll plant
Ignore him.

You cannot argue with a paid provocateur any more than you can with a real liberal."

10-4 Renny. Phylo would rather see his country attacked and burn than harm a hair on any terror suspects body.

I suspect Phylo is an Islamic Terrorist-non United States citizen himself from the way he so vehemently stands up for terrorists "consitutional rights" and could care less about the saftey and security of the United States.

F-off Phylo, I'm off to work.

Dave out.

Dave
"Any dealings with the UN is an American embarrasment. I am not ignoring your pitiful attempt to paint Reagan this way or Reagan's position."

No fan of the UN myself (see UN Resolution 2758, October 25, 1971), but the UN actally serves the US interest. It allows it to ignore places it has no vital interests in--e.g. Rwanada and it gives it cover to pursue its own interests in the guise of enacting the will of the International Community (e.g. Iraq 1991).

The UNGA is powerless, so the anti-American votes and comments coming out of that body is of no concern.

Prez Obama Shook Chavez HAND?
and a "brother bump" handshake at that?..this is a TRAVESTY!!!...THIS is TREASON!!!...Obama must be stopped!!!!

Look
Instead of the name calling and argueing on here, write, call, email your state and federal representives,tell them their screwing up and you've had enough. Call, write email the White House ( I think Bo reads American) write call email the US Attorney lets get rid of him and his before the 3rd world order starts.

Dear Akagi, Please put the pipe down
Dear Akagi,

Are you blind? Or are you just refusing to see that this president is such an Amateur that he has our Allies questioning our integrity and he has our Enemies laughing out loud behind his back?

It is obvious that this man is not ready to be president, but you and your ilk elected him for reasons that had nothing to do with qualifications, just the color of his skin.

So, you are blind to reality, but very open to race, color of skin and political naivte.

Read a Book.

Rowdy Boots

Try owning a puppy first...
You know how when couples are considering having children they'll sometimes first try a dog or cat? Isn't that how it is with Obama? Before running a country try raising teenagers or something first. There's obviously no sense of consequence or priority with this man. Shake hands with Chavez? Hey jerk-face, what do you think that does to Venezuelan moral whose one hope might be that the US intervenes and kills that crazy? Now we're his ally. What about the millions of Iraqi's for whom President Bush is a hero? Think I'm crazy? Even if President Bush was 100% wrong (hypothetically) in waging war against Iraq, Saddam is still dead. Iraq is free. Women and girls can go to school. Rape is illegal. Is that bad? Is it really an awesome diplomatic message to prosecute members of the Bush administration? Who exactly is President Obama's audience?

Reagan/Bush Cowboy Diplomacy Is Dead
Prez Obama is dismantling practically every tenet of the failed Reagan/Bush 1 & 2 right wing legacy on domestic and foreign policy step by step and it is driving repubs/cons nuts.

Its a new day and a new approach that taked the u.s. agressively and progressively into the future while the repubs/cons stubbornly resist, while staying stuck in the past with their outdated/outmoded ways of doing things.

thats cool mr. morris, we understand your reticence to change. the country is moving forward not backwards with our without you and the repubs/cons.

I'm a plant?
Who is paying me and where are my checks? I could use the money. I used to own a painting and drywall company. Because of the downturn in the economy, my company has folded and I'm now applying for jobs in coffee shops.

God you people are paranoid.

What's happening is that right wing radio only tells you people the side of the story they want you to hear, and they tell you that you can't trust the mainstream media.

So when I come here and offer up some facts (that are open to everyone) that contradict the right wing spin, you people think I'm trying to manipulate your thinking.

What a sad joke.

The truth is that I'm actually trying to get you people to see that the right wing radio shock jocks are brain washing you. Their goal is to get you to support tax cuts for rich people, and energy policies that benefit the stockholders of oil companies, defense contractors, and Israel.

Every argument you hear on right wing radio, including the social issues, and global warming, is an effort to gather support for those two things.

All I'm suggesting is that you folks should get your news from somewhere other than right wing sources.

You are being played for fools.

What, EXACTLY, did you expect?
Obama HATES this country. He was quite open with his hatred for this country in the campaign. He scoffed at the Constitution as being mistake-riddled. He belittled the people of this country as nothing but a bunch of gun-hugging, Bible-thumping racists who watch the wrong TV shows. He told us that our souls were broken.

OF COURSE he is colluding with known enemies of the United States.

Those of us with brains saw this coming over a year ago.

Like I continue to say, the United States is DEAD, and America-hating fascist pukes like Der Fuhrer Obama, Sinister Angle, and Phylo were the ones to kill it.

Welcome to Obamanation!

Nee
Check out the ant-torture treaty that Ronald Reagan championed in 1984. It is very clear that there are no exceptions to the agreement not to torture.

It's a legally binding treaty. Ronald Reagan signed it. He championed it. Did Ronald Reagan hate America too?

If Bush and Cheney wanted to make their tactics legal, they would have had to change the law first. But they didn't do that. They got their lawyer buddies to try to cook up phony arguments that would allow them to break the law. The problem with that is: NO AMOUNT OF TRICKY LAWYER-SPEAK CAN MAKE THE ILLEGAL LEGAL!



His own family
Obama treats his own relatives poorly (aunt and half brother both living in poverty). What do we expect? That's he'd treat his own country better?

It's a dangerous shame to have someone as our Commander in Chief who has such obvious disdain for us.

Dave
"Follow the money trail Akagi."

US has been pals with China since 1972 years before the Deng reforms, years before China's economy was growing at 10 and 11% on the back of cheap Chinese consumer goods.

Phylo Se Fiser
NPR does real reporting? hmmm...NPR is as left wing as it gets. Foxnews is right wing in it's opinions; NPR, PBS, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABC, and the NYT are left wing in their reporting (on the front page).

That said, you don't understand the nature of why advanced interrogation techniques work if you think because he gave up the information while they were treating his wounds means the technigues didn't work. It means they worked as expected. AIT's work not because of the actual event, but the concern that they will continue to happen. That is why typically information is gained between sessions.


Change we better believe in.
What people still don't seem to realize is that what you're witnessing IS the change Obama was talking about during the campaign. His "change" is to deliberately destroy this country by turning it into a 3rd world socialist state and incorporate it into the One World Order with help from our enemies both inside and out.

The jokes are ceasing to be funny about his incompetence, his naiveté, his "not ready to rule". He is ready to rule! That's the point. Only he's not going to rule like any other president we've ever had.

His comparing himself to Abraham Lincoln... now that is a joke.

beowolfe: please explain
WHY anyone who HATES the U.S. would want to be POTUS?

BDS Is Still Alive And Well.
The left,who have never gotten over losing the election to G W Bush,not once,but twice,are still a problem.

The Bush hatred caused some brain damage and evidently time has not made it 'all better'. They hated everything Bush did and said. We heard it every day 24/7.

Hating Bush as they did,they were ready to support ANYONE but a Republican,because Bush was a Republican. Even some long-time Republicans felt that way!

Enter Barack Hussein Obama. He fit the bill. He was black,though only part,he was liberal and he was NOT a Republican! They could assuage their 'white guilt',also.

They should have known he would try to wipe out 'everything Bush'. His foreign policy,especially. If Bush was against it...he was for it.No matter how it hurt the country.

Voters should have known by the company he kept for years that he was anti-American. You don't hang out with terrorists and crooks and then do what is best for America. Our chickens are coming home to roost!!

patricia you are insane..
you stated:

"His (Obama)"change" is to deliberately destroy this country by turning it into a 3rd world socialist state and incorporate it into the One World Order with help from our enemies both inside and out."

I have heard this often stated here in th. as a matter of fact the far right wing fringe lunatics who occupy anonymous sites like th are the ONLY places you will here this type of "far out" rhetoric.. and who the joke is on and whats scary is unstable people like YOU who"actually" believe it.

GET HELP SOON!!!LOL

Why Barack Obama ran for President

The primary 'Goal' of Barack Obama is the failure of America.

Barack Obama's core belief, is that investing in failure and nurturing failure, will produce 'Failure' in America, which is his goal.

Barack Obama believes that 'Failure will be the Success' of his administration.

Why does Barack Obama want America to fail?

Barack Obama (and any thinking person), knows that his 'Spending packages' will cause more Business's to fail and more jobs to be lost, creating more panic and economic destruction.

Barack Obama knows that his Spending Plan will result in 'Hyper Inflation', a loaf of bread will probably cost $10 or more.

Capitalism must fail, so that Obamunism (Socialism), can take over America, at every level.

Barack Obama's goal is Socialism, Socialism's goal is Communism.

Barack Obama has a chance to do what he has trained for, worked towards and dreamed about his entire life - destroy the American way of life and install Socialism in America.

Barack Obama believes the 'Failure' of the American 'Economic System', will justify the time, energy and money for him to be President.

beowulfe
"He scoffed at the Constitution as being mistake-riddled."

Yes. In some cases, it is.

"He belittled the people of this country as nothing but a bunch of gun-hugging, Bible-thumping racists who watch the wrong TV shows."

He said "the jobs have been gone now for 25 years" in a lot of small towns.

"They fell through the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate. And they have not..." And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

For some, this is true.


"He told us that our souls were broken."

No. She did, as in Michelle Obama.


"OF COURSE he is colluding with known enemies of the United States."

He went to a conference of the Americas. What should he have done? Turn away. Call Chavez a pig? In the real world you have to deal with people you don't see eye to eye with. How did shaking his hand and taking a book from him hurt the US? It didn't.



"Like I continue to say, the United States is DEAD, and America-hating fascist pukes like Der Fuhrer Obama, Sinister Angle, and Phylo were the ones to kill it."

Care to explain how Obama is a fascist?

Rowdy
Don't blame me, I voted for Barr and hoped McCain would have won and still do.

I agree in many ways his foreign policy has been filled with novice errors. However, to say you shouldn't be civil to world leaders at forums such as the COTA, would be pretty juvenile in my view.

Who Was This Man?

The nation was in shambles.

A previous ruler had led the country into an unnecessary war, the economy was failing, and a sense of depression filled the air.

Then, a new leader emerged. He was a powerful speaker, offering hope, change, and a fix to the economy.

He wrote two books about his experiences and used his literary work to propel him to success.

He called for unity and considered himself an advocate of peace.

Some of his political opponents cast him as naive and inexperienced.

He also had a lot of radical ties, but the media, and ultimately the voters, were willing to overlook that.

The answer is of course, Adolf Hitler.

Retired Geek: you are insane
either that or this is satire youre printing.

the first three sentences of your post are outraegous bald faced lies..

"The primary 'Goal' of Barack Obama is the failure of America. Barack Obama's core belief, is that investing in failure and nurturing failure, will produce 'Failure' in America, which is his goal. Barack Obama believes that 'Failure will be the Success' of his administration."

the only persons who actually believe this utter nonsense are people on the far right wing fringe lunacy of the gop. you know i really think you know you are conducting a farce by repeatedly publishing this rubbish because you're sitting there bored with nothing else to do with your empty headed life...if this is how you keep yourself entertained. no one on the left takes you seriously. I really dont think you yourself do...

think about it mr retired geek..your scenario on Prez Obama sound like something off the "Twilight Zone"..

Obama Heavily Invested in Failure

"Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in cities across the nation that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement...to an entire neighborhood from birth to college" Obama Blueprint for Change
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Obama is not satisfied that 'collectivism' for the 'common good' has destroyed entire inner cities and entire generations of black youth.

Obama believes that the failure of 'collectivism' (Socialism, Marxism, Nazism etc.) was because he was not in charge.

Over 150,000,000 have been starved to death, murdered and tortured to death by trying to 'help people' for the 'common good'.

Marxist thinkers like Obama think that 'collectivism' will work this time even though it has never worked and will never work because 'collectivism' steals what rightfully belongs to a citizen and gives to someone else - why work? why be industrious? why be creative about new products and services?

Obama will coerce the individual citizen to participate in his dream at any cost to those who do not wish to participate.

Edward, TX: American European Ignorance
'It has been said that the attorney general serves "three masters": the president, the Congress, and the courts (American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research 1968). Although the attorney general advises the president, the basic authority of the office is derived from Congress and the functions of the office are subject to congressional control. In addition, the attorney general is a member of the bar and therefore an officer of the court subject to the directives of the judicial branch.' (Law Encyclopedia)
It took me a while to find a (to you) credible source. As far as Euroepan ignorance goes, the American Enterprise Institute seems a pretty good source for that ignorance.

Joel--Part I
"Islam intends to cover the entire world. They will do this any way they can. Kill the infidel, outbreed the Westerners, and convert foolish European and American women."

Islam seems pretty content to allow other religions to exist side by side. See Malaysia. Now some brands of Islam such as found in Saudi Arabia...no, but this isn't to say all of Islam is the way. I don't see a great deal of conversions to Islam by American women or Europeans as far as that goes.

"There is NO way to negotiate with those that would enslave or kill everyone that does not share their religion/politics. What, shall we let them kill half of us?"

Agreed, but not everyone in Islam accepts this either.

"After 9/11 (and it is not too late now) we should have used ICBMs to nuke Mecca, Medina, and every Islamic population center until the rubble bounced."

So you'd have nuked Kuala Lumpur? Jakarta? Ankara?

"Then capture every oil well, kill every male Islamic, and every married woman. The unmarried females can be brought back as war brides for our victorious warriors. Their American husbands will ensure that the cancer of Islam is not spread to the next generation."

You so sure about that? How do you know it won't be the women doing the converting? So, into genocide are we, want to make war on 1 billion people, and how will nuking every Muslim population center do for the environment and how will those Muslims not killed, many inside the US, react? This, I'd say, is not a war you want to get into.

Obama believes Failure his Success

This is the core plank, in the Barack Obama 'Doctrine' of 'Making America Great'.

Business: Reward failing business's who are poorly managed with huge sums of cash.
Punish successful business's by taking more of their cash.

Citizens: Reward the American Citizen who makes bad decisions and whose lifestyles increase the costs of others, with an infusion of cash.
Punish the American Citizen who makes good decisions and whose lifestyles increase their prosperity and prospers the lives of others, by taking their hard earned cash from them.

Students: Reward students who have a poor record of student achievement and poor grades by funding their lifestyles with grants and large sums of cash.
Punish the good students by minimizing funds available to them by giving cash to the failing students.

Taxpayers: Reward those who do not pay taxes by giving them cash for not paying taxes.
Punish the taxpayers by increasing their taxes to give to those who do not pay taxes.

An age old adage is "You reap what you sow". If one plants good seed and fertilizes and waters it properly, one can expect a good harvest of what is planted.

When one plants bad seed, the harvest will be a worthless crop that produces more bad seed.

Barack Obama's core belief is that investing in failure and nurturing failure, will produce 'Excellence' in America.

Barack Obama believes that 'Failure will be the Success' of his administration.

Joel--Part II
"Here at home, declare Islam to be a political system, not a religion, and thus not protected by the Constitution."

The courts no dount would see such declaration as unconstitutional.

"As the stated goal of Islam is the imposition of Sharia Law on EVERYONE..."

Not true. Are Buddhists in Malaysia tried under such a law? No.

"...every male, and married female American Islamic is guilty of Treason, and should be put to death by hanging or firing squad (since impalement and crucifixion are "Cruel and Unusual Punishments")."

Again the courts would see this differently.

"Again, it might be possible to save the unmarried females..."

You seem to have some fetish in regards to unmarried Muslim women.





Sean
Zubaydah was not tortured BEFORE he gave up that information, as you seem to think. He was being treated for wounds suffered on the battlefield––gunshot wounds.

Get your facts straight, kid.

Obama isn't dumb
Mr. Morris has pointed out that Obama has floated the idea of a large federal police force. One fears he is heading us towards a socialist dictatorship. How about this idea. He will gut the CIA, declare it ineffective, either overhaul it or disband it and replace it with another agency. He will make sure his people are put in place. If he could control both a federal police force and the intelligence establishment, we are doomed.

Does Pelosi have a guilty Conscience?

“As soon as the president made the decision to release [the memos], I was telling people that the Republicans were going to come after us, saying she knew about it and did nothing,” said an adviser to Pelosi (D-Calif.), speaking on condition of anonymity. “And I’m sure we’re going to get hammered again when they release all those new torture photos,” the person said.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21724.html

Phylo dough! Oh pa-lease!

Not true!

And Zubaydah, or anyone else was "tortured."


But, Zubaydah gave up information that ultimately SAVED AMERICAN LIVES!!!

You have a problem with that???


YOU might want to get YOUR facts straight!

Actually, you might want to get just ONE fact straight.





Obama's 100 day Poll Numbers

Gallup reports that 56% of the public believes that Obama is doing an excellent/good job.

Gallup reported 62% approved of George W. Bush's job performance after the first 100 days.

MSM tells us how popular Barack Obama is but the numbers tell a different story especially when used comparatively.

Comparing the Gallup poll taken following the first 100 day of George W. Bush and Barack Obama is rather informative especially given the highly contentious nature of the 2000 election.

April approval ratings in first year in office:
Obama 56%
Bush 62%
Clinton, 1993 55%
Bush, 1989 58%
Reagan, 1981 67%
Carter, 1977 63%
Nixon, 1969 61%

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/79295.html

Sorry, Phylo dough. Meant...


And Zubaydah, 'nor' anyone else was "tortured."

Obama Talking points to Followers

When any of the Barack Obama lies or failures come to light - talk about 'Torture' - deflect the conversation.

Alabama Roadrunner
"Hmm.....Reagan walked out on Gorbachav! He dealt from a position of power. Obama does not, he allows himself to be a useful idiot to dictators and tyrants worldwide."
May I respectfully ask again what proof do you or others have that Obama did any of this? By shaking hands at a conference? Did he say, hey Hugo, I'll roll over, what ever you want?
Your logic is breathtaking: I don't like Obama, therefore he does or will do anything that I fear he might do.
As long that's the case, why don't you just say: I don't like Obama. Full stop.
It's your right to. It's your right to ignore other arguments, that's fine with me. But don`t take your imaginations for facts.

Kermudgin: you are insane..
you stated:

"How about this idea. He (Obama) will gut the CIA, declare it ineffective, either overhaul it or disband it and replace it with another agency. He will make sure his people are put in place. If he could control both a federal police force and the intelligence establishment, we are doomed."

first of all tell me how Prez Obama would go about doing this within the structure of the federal government with its rules and regulations?

Second of all if you actually beleive this bs you posted above, I questions your sanity just as I have of other posters below. you as they are are members of the far right wing fringe lunatic faction of the gop..you guys are truly
"out there"..lmao

Retired Geek
Wasn't it the authors M&McG who brought up the torture issue? You like numbers, I did some quick calculation: some 45% of their text refers to the issue. Are Morris and McGann taking talking points from Obama?
And as regarding Obama's failure: isn't Patricia calling those his imminent successes? What is it: Failure or success? Bumbling idiocy or clever cunning? Socialism or fascism?
If all of you took a little more time and effort to present arguments and not invectives, we could have a useful discussion.
But that is not what you are after. You think we "infest" this holy conservative site with "anti-Americanism" and Joel probably includes us in his "liberate the world of evil doers" phantasies. Congratulation on such allies!

Anne
"And Zubaydah, 'nor' anyone else was "tortured."

Not according to the US government who released a document to the UN that it indeed had engaged in torture.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html

A US military official also admitted that torture was done on prisoners at Gitmo.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/0 1/13/AR2009011303372.html?hpid=topnews

She (Susan J. Crawford) said "We tortured [Mohammed al-]Qahtani,"

Pretty clear the US did engage in torture...you can debate who effective it was or the moral or legal issues, but the question if the US tortured...no question.



Left Angle

Barack Obama's lies and those like you who believe them, were written about years ago.

“In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.

Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation.

For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.”
[Adolph Hitler from Chapter 10 of Mein Kampf]

Anne
"But, Zubaydah gave up information that ultimately SAVED AMERICAN LIVES!!!"

That is a matter of great debate. Care to detail how his information saved AMERICAN lives.

Obama's Anti-American Policy
TO Retired Geek:
When you say Obama's followers just need to mention torture....do you mean you start talking about how the Muslims have tortured our military and killed? I'm almost sure that torture will override any waterboarding incident you can bring up. Just wait, it won't be long before it will become a real threat in our own backyard.

Agaki
You said O is a Christian by virtue of his attending for 20 years a church that ostensibly
is Christian. You have also said you aren't a Christian, thereby you have no way of measuring who is or who isn't christian or whether a church is teaching orthodox Christianity.

Scripture says "by their fruits ye shall know them." Obama's "fruits" are wormy to say the least. A true Bible believing, born again
Christian doesn't sign an executive order
eliminating the Mexico City Policy, thus enabling babies to be tortured and murders world wide on our dime. A true Christian doesn't invite an apostate "Bishop" to open the
inaugural week..that he's homosexual is one thing that's not approved by God, but also scripture says a "Bishop shall be the husband of one wife..(as in female type of wife)..etc."
(That's been one question I have had about female pastors..since a Bishop must first be ordained in the ministry..how can a woman be the husband of one wife??"). His stance on homosexual marriage; his slur against Bible believing gun toting clingers; his opinion we have a flawed Constitution that he took an Oath to uphold..in short..by taking an oath to uphold and defend something he holds as flawed, he did it with reservations..HE LIED! No I wouldn't call him Christian by the evidence of his fruits..which I have only mentioned a few.

Cheers to Akagi
I salute you not for being of the same opinion but because, despite of all the name calling, you continue to think that it is worthwhile and not completely hopeless to engage our supposedly conservative sisters and brethren in a rational discussion.
And there are from time to time bright spots, so don't give up on them.
And a plea to others of the left in this discussion: please, refrain from using invectives giving in to retaliating in kind. Too many are like Hugo Chávez, nasty but you cannot avoid their neighborhood.

Augo do you have a point?

Questions for you?

1) What is the smallest minority in America?

2) Why does Barack Obama hate 'Individual Rights'?

3) Have you ever been in debt and spent your way to prosperity?

4) Do you invest your own money in failing Companies or Successful Companies?

5) Do you believe 'Diversity' brings unity or 'Assimilation of Diversity' brings unity?

Maybe we can have a debate?

flap ears and his love of leftists
funny how flkap ears is willin g to bow and scrape before dictators but can only name rush and repubs as his enemies.

we on the right said flap ears was a fully committed leftist/communist based on his long association with commies and lefties while growing up and his many years being around his daddy figure the rev hatred wright and under the thumb of louis farrakhan and his love affair witrh ayers and his hatred of america

Now flap ears bows to the left in their efforts to go after b ush officials who waterboarded 3 terrorists that protected america

But then flap ears has no problem sucking up to the saudi's, the iranians, the castro's, ortega and chavez who run their countries under murderous dictators that prisons and torture rooms for any who dissent against their dictatorships.

Seems the only thing flap ears hasn't said publicly is his desire to rule this country. But you can't be the beacon of freedom while playing cozy with every tinpot dictator on the planet.

But no surprise. Flap ears kisses up to the dictators, while their countries give him the adulation that he requires to help him feel good about himself

And still the trolls praise this loser who hates america because he fails to understand what this country stands for

Retired Geek - Augo do you ...

Well done, sir.

At this juncture one has to entertain the possibility that Mr. Obama believes anything bad that happens to this country is because we've got it coming. Or as his long time pastor said, "America's chickens ....... are coming home to roost." He is simply doing what he can to increase the probability we get what he thinks we've got coming. The good news for him is he gets more power and can salve whatever animus he harbors for this nation.

Tea Party
"You have also said you aren't a Christian, thereby you have no way of measuring who is or who isn't christian or whether a church is teaching orthodox Christianity."

Well I bet that most Chrisitians would have problems measuring who was a real Christian and what churches were really Christian too. The United Church of Christ is a mainline Christian church and yes those that go there I'd say are Christian. Just as if I a person goes to worship at Longshan Temple, you can make a pretty good assumption they are Buddhist or Daoist.

Jimmy Carter is a born-again Baptist (he left the Southern Baptist Conference over politics) and Clinton is Baptist as well and both are pro-choice. Care to make the claim they aren't real Christians and how about your own book in regards of judging, who are you to say who is a real Christian and who isn't.

obama will end terrorism
his crippling of our intelligence resources has made nuclear terrorism inevitable. after a few nuclear attacks, we will have the consensus to get rid of the terrorists and their friends. we will be indebted to obama for uniting the country against terrorists and their friends.

Bud from OK

Many Liberals either denigrate Ronald Reagan, or try and compare what Barack Obama is doing to what Ronald Reagan did.

Ronald Reagan inspired almost all Americans by what he did, Barack Obama is inspiring his followers by what he is promising.

Substance versus Words.

Great Article Mr. Morris and Ms. McGann
Do any of you ever get the feeling we're lambs being led to the slaughter?

What we see is not statecraft but surrender. Socialist surrender on every front. Change, you bet it is!

God Help us all.

Bud
"America's chickens ....... are coming home to roost."

Which was in reference to 9/11 and something that the TH hero of Ron Paul supported as well. He just used a different term...blowback.

Christy from OK

My point is that anytime something negative is posted about Barack Obama - his supporters are told to immediately to a subject like 'Torture' by the Bush Administration, to deflect the conversation away from Obama.

You make a good point - the conversation should be about Islamic Torture.

Tea party: On orthodox Christianity
To Akagi: "You have also said you aren't a Christian, thereby you have no way of measuring who is or who isn't christian or whether a church is teaching orthodox Christianity." Really? Why does Akagi not have a way of telling that? Unless you rely on direct inspiration by God - and I do respect such an argument - why can't Akagi read the Bible and come to conclusions about what it says and what it does not say? After all, you refer to the Bible as well. I left the church in my country (Germany) more than 35 years ago - don't come to hasty conclusions, yet. The reason I left: I thought the most extreme reformers in the church were right in the way they were interpreting the Bible, and I thought that conservatives were right in claiming that this interpretation was not Christian.
Thus, are we in accordance? No, because the reformers were challenging even the prime tenets of the Christian doctrine, i.e. resurrection and redeeming of our sins by Jesus Christ. Apart from those central tenets, there is considerable discussion in Christian churches, what to do with the Bible's text, because some of it is contradictory and the contradictions can only be resolved by interpretations. Also, I wonder why we should concede to St. Paul being able to interpret the testaments but not to any contemporary scholar. And as we are at it: Why should Mark, Luke, Matthew and John not have been fallible in what they reported considerably after the fact? Those are questions that Akagi, any Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, agnostic, atheist, Marxist or whoever is perfectly capable of reflecting about. And you even might learn something from them in the process.

phylo
You didn't comprehend my post. I said that torture was illegal, and I asked you some questions. Please answer them.
If the previous admin and whomever read the memos are going to be prosecuted, you cannot absolve anyone from being guilty. Congress, the AG, the Pres, Dick Cheney...anyone who had any doing. But the implication here is what?

ANSWER my questions, and if you don't, I can assume that I am right.
I negate nothing I said. But you avoided the questions.

Left Angle asks:
"beowolfe: please explain
WHY anyone who HATES the U.S. would want to be POTUS?"

Are you serious?

I would expect a question like that from Cindy Lou Who -- the little girl who catches the Grinch swiping Christmas goodies in a Santa suit.

Akagi
No you missed my point, he may say he's Christian but he's not exhibiting the "fruits"
Christians look for. Jesus spoke of fruit in Matthew 7:15-20 and again in Luke. In Matthew He warned against false prophets, and warned the way is narrow and the gate is strait, and not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The fruits as they are called are the evidence that the person has had a life changing experience with God, they aren't perfect, no one but Christ ever was or will be. One fruit that bothers me is his adamant refusal to show mercy to the preborn babies in all forms of abortion and the determination to destroy any who survive because of fear it will erase Roe v Wade.
Jeremiah Wright is a false prophet, no true Christian would stay one minute in a Church that exudes such hatred towards others because they are white and/or asian or hispanic. The
statement of faith of Trinity is NOT the orthodox statement Christian Churches stand on..
it's another Jesus, a Black Jesus taken from James Cone's rant, including the desire to kill God if He doesn't destroy other races in defense of the Black race..NO..true Christians are to love one another regardless of race and that's a sign they are truly Christian. Nor
would a true Christian remain in a Church were the presumed Pastor curses at the altar..i.e.
G.... America! Words do have meaning and the strongest is a curse using God's Name and is repulsive especially in a Church by people calling themselve Christians. It is an apostate Church, denying Christ the Crucified and the Cross.

Retired Geek: a repsonse..
simply put your assessment that Prez Obama ran for POTUS to "invest in failure and destroy it, so that he can replace it with marxist socialims/communism" is bizzare to say the least. That you believe that he and the democratic led congress have some sinister plot to do such is even more bizzared and borders on absurd.

The difference between me and you is that I am a realist who deals in pragmatic reality and you are a right wing fringe lunatic who deals
in spreading outlandish bald faced lies, propaganda and fictious conspiracy theories that you cannot possibly beleive to be true in an effort to slander and assasinate the charater of those who dont agreee with you outdated, outmoded 1950's world viewpoint.
as long as you continue to post this nonsense i will continue to question your sanity. lol

clinton
asking a question from leftist simpleton woulod generate an easier answer from a fence post.

Leftist angle is a youthful black, who was old enough to finally vot in this past election cycle.

He is just another typical black who fully understands only being a victim 24/7 and voting black over actual experience and ability

But bein g your typical mentally challenged troll understand nothing about how the coun try is run but resorts to the childish ploym, that flap ears won and can run the country any way he chooses and that like the mafia godfathers, flpa ears is just using the ploy of keeping his friends close and his enemies closer.

But lithium dangle, has yet to explain why flap ears is more comfortable with tinpot dictators than in dealing with repubs

The End Of Common Sense
The destruction of America was set up for Obama long before he was elected. He is being used to do their dirty work because he hates the U.S.as it is. He was willing to 'change' it. The left crafted a plan and got it started just in time for much of the blame to go to Bush. That was part of the plan,also.

I still would like to know if GW was in on the plans,himself. I wonder if his dad was,also. This is not anything new. Dad and the Clintons were awfully chummy. In order for the New World Order to be implemented,the United States would have to be brought down.

The wealthy must lose their wealth. The rich folks will not knuckle under as long as they are rich. In years to come,we will have a ruling class and the underclass will be their peons. The left will have killed the opposition party for all time.The MSM is their PRAVDA.

They will then have a free hand to stay in office for the duration,no matter what happens. That is what the TARP bailout was all about. Buying Democrat voters and staying in power. The end of America as we know it is inevitable.


Clinton: yes...
I am serious. why dont YOU tell us the answer to THAT question:

WHY would someone who HATES the U.S. want to be POTUS?

As a whole
Oblunder was never (and still is not) more pro-American than Vidkun Quisling was pro-Norwegian!

Bush was foolish to fall for the Paulson
/Bernake line last summer, and I think maybe he did so to throw off McCain's campaign, as no blood was ever shared between them.

Now, the O, the Fed and Treasury, have, according to the WSJ today, deliberately worsened the recession and bank recovery through stupidity, hybris, and politics.

O doesn't care if you lose your life savings in the market (he is not invested in the market) or care if you have a job or not because the worse the ec. is the better his nitwit experiments with socialism will be accepted.

But they don't work. The USSR, the East. Eur. bloc countries are all gone. Cuba is an island prison. Chavez and Ortego and ilk are all despotic tyrants, busy ruining their nations as Magube has changed Rhodesia, an eporting country that could feed Africa, into a basket case Zimbabwe with famine and 400% inflation.

O's plans won't work either. And people need to stop him from implementing any others this year, as what he cannot get in his first 6 mons., he prob. can never achieve at all.

re: Clownbama!!!
Kudos Mr. Morris, this ClownBama will do anything to make his self look good because he has a EGO(Edging God Out!!) problem and he is on a trip to trash the Const. and the prin. of this doc. and is going to, and I quote,"RESHAPE" America!!! Like I have said many times, this guy is dangerous to this country and his cronies are as well and the American people (ALL 360 mill.) do not have to tolerate this tyrannical goon and his goons in gov. We can Vote and that is the one freedom we still have, GET UP OFF THE KESTER AND EXCERSISE THIS FREEDOM, call your reps. in office, write letters, do it all!!! BUT FOR GOD ABOVE SAKE, SPEAK UP!!!

Left Angle
you took a left turn and drove off the continent. Keep swimming.

In China, you'll find other kindred lefties who will care about you until something of real substance is asked of them.

As to our Dem. Cong., it has a 14% approval rating.

Pelosi rants about the common man but doesn't employ union workers in her hotels or vineyards herself, flies AIR FORCE jets for free, leaving tons of carbon footprint, NOT an example of a good legislator and Am. citizen.

Reid is involved in every land fraud deal NV ever sponsored and has treated our military like punching bags for his opinions of *loser* and *killer.*

Murtha, Kennedy, Clinton, Farnk, Dodd, Kerry, Schumer et. al. are no better.

They are all millionaires living on free limos, free lunches, free haircuts, free mailings, and the treatment of rock stars for doing nothing most of the time except inventing laws that favor them.

Do you think their above $250,000 incomes will have higher taxation? No, they will have gimmes in the laws and tax accountants to exploit them.

The tax code is alreadt 70,0000+ pages, which like out recent leg., no one can or does read.

Rowly: You are insane..
Rowly states:

"The destruction of America was set up for Obama long before he was elected. He is being used to do their dirty work because he hates the U.S.as it is. He was willing to 'change' it. The left crafted a plan and got it started just in time for much of the blame to go to Bush. That was part of the plan,also. I still would like to know if GW was in on the plans,himself. I wonder if his dad was,also. This is not anything new. Dad and the Clintons were awfully chummy."

Anyone who actually believes a statement such as this one above isnt playing with a full deck and suffers from some sort of mental illness.

Tea Party
Many Christians have various opinions about abortion and even if those that see it as a sin, they don't believe it is the right of the government to enforce that belief on those who do not share it. Many Christians would agree that say those who believe in more than one god or those that believe in the non-Christian gods are in sin but few I would think would think the government should make their acts illegal. Saying the government should stay out of the abortion issue does not make one non-Christian.

leftist dangle
so the welfare loser shows up again to post his usual nonsense that his masteers at move on tell him to post.

So point our loser why anyone should pay a modicum on interest to someone as stupid as you.

A listing of your claims point out you lack both the intelligence and experience to do anything more than parade your devotion to a clown you know nothing about.

Tp date you have yet to make any case why we on the right should respect your messiah. The point you have always avoided is you can't make the case why we shouldn't believe flap ears the pretender doesn't hate america.

But we know from reading about the rev hatred,wright, has preached hatred against whites

You have told us that you have been to many black churches and that all the blacks you have talked to, believe just like you claim to, that all whites are racists and are responsible for the reason blacks don't enjoy success.

But like other socialists you think that flap ears will find the money to continue to reward losers like you.

but why would we expect you to act like a man and take responsibility for your life, you have assured us how your messiah will make life better for, that is when you are not, by your own admission, trolling frat houses looking to make new friends

Left Angle: "Insane" seems to be your

new word! Apparently pretty much everyone who disagrees with you is "insane."

Actually, LA, YOU are the one who seems to be insane!


Actually Anne...
It has more to do with people in th making statements that go "beyond the realm of reality" about Prez Barack Obama and the dems to the point they can be categorized as absurd, bizarre, or downright weird.

the "insanity" part comes in because these persons "actually" believe the statments they are making a realistically accurate and true.

The Messiah
Obama is a radical Socialist/Marxist. He seems to be following Saul Alinsky's hand book if any of you Liberal Progressive Socialists care to google Alinsky. Maybe then you will figure out what your future is going to be dragging the rest of us along with you. Socialism is a failure. Bush started this crap and Obama is doubling it maybe tripling it. The Messiah is very calm, cool and reassuring to all the idiots who are waiting for him to take care of them meanwhile he is slowly changing our country for the worse, deepening our debt and devaluing our dollar. If you think he is helping you and America you are sadly mistaken.
Beck

Lefty Angle
I thank God you think I am insane. I would be very worried if you agreed with me.I am anti-Fascist,anti-socialist,anti-Marxist and anti-communist. Unlike you. No wonder you think I'm crazy!!

rowly: what's insane
is that you think prez obama IS all the things you just mentioned and has some sinister plot to convert the u.s. system of govt to them.

BARRY AND THE DIXIE CHICKS ON TOUR
MY GOSH.

Re Akagi 2:13
Ever hear the expression, beating up a straw man? You employ a sophistry that assigns your own unfounded assumptions on the motivations of your opponent, which you attempt to dismantle with a false analogy. You then compound the illogic by reversing the meaning of a particular state of affairs.

The government is hardly neutral on abortion. It actively promotes it, finances it, and persecutes anyone opposed to it, including current efforts to pass legislation that will shut down religion funded hospitals and will not allow students into medical school who disbelieve in abortion.

Opposition to abortion can be but is not limited to religious values. Were you fair-minded, you would know that authentic Christians do not make assumptions on the sinful state of other human beings except in the general sense of recognizing a universally fallen human condition. The wrongness of abortion is self-evident to those not busy lying to themselves. This is why so many Christians join their atheist friends in opposing this greatest moral travesty in human history.

Akagi -

Wrote:"
Bud
"America's chickens ....... are coming home to roost."

Which was in reference to 9/11 and something that the TH hero of Ron Paul supported as well. He just used a different term...blowback.
"

So, what's your point? Both were wrong then. We are talking about engineered crises and resulting power grabs. Have you anything constructive to offer?

Left Angle
You are hopeless. If you agree with what he is doing,that is one thing. If you are too blind to see what he is doing is pitiful. You will be the last one to see the light.

I don't care to debate you as it is an exercise in futility. You are still mesmerized.

ED B..the irony is
you state:

"The wrongness of abortion is self-evident to those not busy lying to themselves."

Let me ask you ed b..If abortions were once again made illegal do you think it would really stop woment from getting them if they really want one?

Rowly, no you are insane...
and you truly need help because you are in a paranoid delusional state about prez obama. as a matter of fact I am willing to bet that you DONT repeat what you are posting in here about prez obama to people that come in your daily life because you know they would think you are crazy..lugnuts of a feather flock together..

lmao

Left Angle
Put a sock in it,Lefty. I am finished with you. We will see who's right....IMAO

Rowly: I DARE YOU...
to go up to any person walking down the street and either say or read this to the person then ask them what they think:

"The destruction of America was set up for Obama long before he was elected. He is being used to do their dirty work because he hates the U.S.as it is. He was willing to 'change' it. The left crafted a plan and got it started just in time for much of the blame to go to Bush. That was part of the plan,also. I still would like to know if GW was in on the plans,himself. I wonder if his dad was,also. This is not anything new. Dad and the Clintons were awfully chummy."

THEN lets see how the react to YOU....?

ROTFLMAO

the next pres of the US? even agrees
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: OCTOBER 30, 1997

SPEAKER'S STATEMENT ON VISIT OF PRESIDENT JIANG
Washington, D.C. -- House Speaker Newt Gingrich released the following statement today following his meeting with Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

"As I said in China this spring, there is no place for abuse in what must be considered the family of man. There is no place for torture and arbitrary detention. There is no place for forced confessions. There is no place for intolerance of dissent." "While we walked through the Rotunda. I explained to President Jiang how the roots of American rule of law go back more than 700 years, to the signing of the Magna Carta. The foundation of American values, therefore, is not a passing priority or a temporary trend.


even the next pres?, agrees
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: OCTOBER 30, 1997

SPEAKER'S STATEMENT ON VISIT OF PRESIDENT JIANG
Washington, D.C. -- House Speaker Newt Gingrich released the following statement today following his meeting with Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

"As I said in China this spring, there is no place for abuse in what must be considered the family of man. There is no place for torture and arbitrary detention. There is no place for forced confessions. There is no place for intolerance of dissent." "While we walked through the Rotunda. I explained to President Jiang how the roots of American rule of law go back more than 700 years, to the signing of the Magna Carta. The foundation of American values, therefore, is not a passing priority or a temporary trend.


Ed B
No Straw Man, but nice attempt to baffle us all with BS.

Tea Party's point was Obama wasn't a Christian became he doesn't do anything to stop abortion. There are plenty of Christians that don't see abortion as a sin or if they do don't see it as a role of the state to force people to accept that belief. Clinton and Carter are both Baptists, Kerry is a Catholic as is Kennedy and a host of others and none support the state making abortion illegal.

Retired geek
You ask if I have a point: In previous posters I wrote about the piece of Dick Morris and Eileen McGann. I won't repeat myself. As the piece was about foreign policy, I thought I brought up enough points. But, what the heck, I'll take up your bait:
1) I don't get the joke, but I'd say it is the minority of one.
2)I don't know, does he? As far as I know, he is for a woman's right to choose. Is that "hate"?
3) Personally, no. Has a country spent itself out of debt into prosperity? Yes, FDR did. Btw, that was Keynesianism, and Marxist correctly criticized as a successful attempt to save capitalism from its failures.
4)Personally, I do invest in companies having promise for the future, i.e. I buy when stocks are low. I'd not invest in GM. I know, it is counterintuitive but as everybody else does so, yet the consequences at this juncture would be dire for the entire economy, the government has to step in. Too many small and medium sized industries depending on Detroit would go under. Letting them drown now implies far higher costs than bailing them out.
The recusal to even contemplate government intervention - when even Alan Greenspan and Lindsey Graham, those glassy-eyed died-in-the-wool liberals do it - reminds me of people who prefer to drown just to see those who brought the desaster about not being rescued.
5)It's the same fake alternative people put to us here in Germany. It’s particularly strange when proffered by people who pretend to defend individual rights and rant about collectivism. You need assimilation but you don't have to sacrifice diversity. Therefore, I am puzzled when I talk to people in Miami in English and annoyed, they answer in Spanish. Equally inappropriate is when people think that America is only the U.S. and forget about the rest of the Americas. Or are proud of their ignorance of the rest of the world.


Akagi remember
just because you call yourself something doesn't make it true. Kerry and Kennedy might say theya re catholic for political reason clinton and the fool carter may say they are Baptists for the same reason that doesn't make it true. I could claim to be the king of the Americas but it wouldn't be true.

But nice try at the old bait and switch you been running cons long? The Tea parties were about obama and his admin spending us into bankruptcy. They were about team obama promising no ear marks and putting thousands into the budget. They were about team obama promise to spend money on programs that put Americans to work building roads, bridges, repairing dams etc not the trillions in useless social engineering programs. They were about the most corrupt admin in American history who can't even remodel a visitor center thinking it can run a major corporation like GM.

Anti-American Diplomacy
You forgot about Obama negotiating away missile defense from Poland, one of our most staunch allies.

Never forget John Kerry calling the Iraqi Freedom allies the "coalition of the bribed and the coerced". Thanks for that.

Left Angle
"Let me ask you ed b..If abortions were once again made illegal do you think it would really stop woment from getting them if they really want one?"

Well by this most eloquent logic lets make stealing legal or murder or how about fraud. Left Angle would that be right and moral in your rancid mind, those particular laws certainly have not stopped the thieves and murderers and con man so lets just make it legal. Maybe then the criminals would have higher self esteem because they avoid the stigma of their crimes cause now its legal. You are a moron!

Oh yes
We have always, until today, been nice to the
good guys and outraged with the bad guys.
Except I lived through the cold war. We gave,
for instance, anything they (african dictators)
wanted just so they wouldn't turn towards the
Communists. What a complete waste. We made
African dictators rich. That was all. We
offered nothing to the citizens themselves.
We didn't help their lives in any shape or form except to save them from Communism.

I think we need to talk to everyone, and fight
only when it is absolutely necessary.


Akagi

yeah, that is Igaka spelled backward! (Actually sounds OK.)

Seriously; on what grounds have you purported Christians that don't see abortion as a sin?

Abortion as in putting to death an infant in his mom's womb? The U.S. has conistently punished murder with the death penalty; and yet Christians support it?

". . . or if they do don't see it as a role of the state to force people blah blah, Clinton and Carter are both Baptists, Kerry is a Catholic as is Kennedy and a host of others and none support the state making abortion illegal."

I know you think that's the long and short of it. Some Christians! We actually pay these bastrds their wages!
Do you find this good value for your money?



Mario the Mindless:
Just what is your educational level? Or more bluntly where did you learn to be so ignorant?

mauricio
"Quote of the day
"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives."
John Stuart Mill, English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)"

hmmmmmm....

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -- John Stuart Mill

It appears as though Mr. Mill offers up a less than "ringing" endorsement of Liberals as well.

dick
is that the reason his first hundred days are rated in the high 70s.....dick you're so outdated and stale...you've out lived your usefulness....i believe we need more than one party but as long ppl like you ,rush,and hannity represent the repubs they will not win......President Obama is doing a great job. Not all of his decisions do i agree with, but he's the man for the ppl. How do i know this? It's because the repubs are against him....they like giving tax cut to ppl who don't need them. Believing that through the kindness of their heart they will help the poor......what a joke!!!!!.......It would be nice to see the gop try building something instead of constantly trying to destroy President Obama........By the way president bush has handles himself quite impressively since leaving office..... unlike some others....

Hypocrisy?
"House GOP leader John Boehner has called on the Obama administration to release unspecified intelligence documents that supposedly will demonstrate that torture has been effective.

But Boehner won’t say whether the CIA should release a key classified report that is said to find no proof that torture foiled terror plots, according to his office."

Court Marshal
Obama and his henchmen should be brought up on Treason Charges!

quotes
The John Mill quote isn’t a statement about liberals. You might think that the quote defines liberals. You also might think that the earth is 12000 years old. It’s opinion, not fact. This is America. State any opinion you want. Don’t mistake opinions for facts. The quote is about people who feel there is no possible reason for war. When President Bush went after Afghanistan, the vast majority of Americans, liberals included, supported that decision. When he went after Iraq, many people did not agree with that decision. Disagreeing with a decision does not show a lack of patriotism. As shown in the first quote, when he is talking about a specific group, he names them. He also says conservatives aren’t necessarily stupid. Which is completely true. The party or a person’s political views don’t necessarily have anything to do with their intelligence. Saying conservatives are stupid or liberals are stupid is…………stupid.
Some people are stupid, some are geniuses. Most people fall in between the 2.

PS For a group of people who claim to be Christians, to mockingly refer to President Obama as some type of false deity, to me shows a lack of faith in their own deity.

Treason
What enemy exactly is he giving aid and comfort to or how is he making war against the US which is how the Constitution you conservatives like to quote so much defines treason.

A Demagogue Uses Emotion Over Logic
Akagi offers, "Treason What enemy exactly is he giving aid and comfort to or how is he making war against the US which is how the Constitution you conservatives like to quote so much defines treason."

Interesting question. Do you Liberals use something other than the Constitution?

Are we talking about Obama? If so, how about this, America uses trickery to fool captives into thinking that they are being tortured. In truth, we inflict a lot of fear, but no harm. As long as that trickery is Top Secret, it is effective. If the enemy knows that we do not go beyond fear, our ability to interrogate is compromised, gravely!

Bush was willing to keep that a secret, even to his own peril, yet today. For Bush, America comes first.

Obama, on the other hand, is all about power and self aggrandizement. So, he exposes our secrets in hopes that populist dummies act as a mob and lose all logic over their need to hurt Bush. For Obama, Obama comes first ... America, who cares?

Obama Offers Nothing To Conservatives
Tim From Texas offers, "PS For a group of people who claim to be Christians, to mockingly refer to President Obama as some type of false deity, to me shows a lack of faith in their own deity."

Wrong.

Conservatives are calling out Liberals as people that follow Obama as a Jim Jones (Kool Aide drinkers) or other such supreme beings. I know of no Conservative that views Obama as anything more than a demagogue. Nothing more.

nothing new same old hate
it will be a wonderful eight years.....

Lloyd
"but he's the man for the ppl. How do i know this? It's because the repubs are against him....they like giving tax cut to ppl who don't need them. Believing that through the kindness of their heart they will help the poor......what a joke!!!!!.."

Interesting, Lloyd thinks something is wrong with a man keeping the money he makes! He probally thinks its okay for the almost 50% of people that pay no taxes, to get to vote for people that raise taxes on others. Seems rigged to me but then liberals like things rigged.

We The People Stimulus Package
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA

lloyd
Giving to the relief of the poor is no joke except in the liberal ranks, they do not give to charity as demonstrated repeatedly! Americans as a people are the most generous people in the world and the givers in our society are largely people of faith.

say what?
Trickery to fool captives into thinking they have been tortured? That’s a good explanation. Except for one problem. If we can cause captive to think they have been tortured, then that by itself is torture (see dictionary.com). Waterboarding is not trickery. Unless you see it as us tricking them into thinking we are going to drown them. And since some captives have died under questioning, it’s not much of a trick.
At least the Bush administration acknowledged the techniques they used. They say the techniques are not torture, not that they tricked people into spilling their guts.

Obama's Past Is Prescient To Future
Florida offers, "Court Marshal Obama and his henchmen should be brought up on Treason Charges!"

Well, as President, the only option is "high crimes and misdemeaners" as impeached by Congress.

With his popularity and a worthless Congress, populated overwhelmingly by Democrats, don't get your hopes up.

Obama is a Liberal "rain man" that has no brain of his own that repeats Liberal cliche's, one after another, just as he was programmed in our schools. Heck, even I could write his speeches, they are so programmed and predictable. He is the robot that you hope your kids mature away from.

Notice how you have never seen Obama's grades from college. To play on an old saying, "it is better to be thought a fool, than to show your grades and remove all doubt".

prove it dave
all you have is talking points.......let me ask you this question???the ppl who you so love to quote why dont they display the great love they have for this country by running for office..they have all the answers.....right....i bet rush or sean would never run for office... it is easier to order you robots around while making millions........then have you ppl defend them they are laughing all the way to the bank...lol

Mac Moore
You are wrong. He is called the messiah, the chosen one, etc. etc. Response 35 and 38 in this thread as a quick example.

And I haven’t heard of any mass suicides involving whole families at President Obama’s command. The last mass suicide I can recall was at Waco by the Branch Dividians. As far as kool aide drinkers go, isn’t that a self-solving problem?

Obama Gives Up America For Power
Tim From Texas offers, "At least the Bush administration acknowledged the techniques they used. They say the techniques are not torture, not that they tricked people into spilling their guts."

Absolutely. Bush never exposed the truth: our version of waterboarding inflicted only fear and misery, no harm. Khalid Sheik Mohamad was water-boarded over 180 times! At what point was it torture, or just a lousy way to spend the day?

Clearly, America used trickery to get captives to talk. Exposing the trickery gives comfort to our enemies.

Bush kept the secret, to his own political peril, for America's safety. To Bush, America comes first.

Obama, needing political cover for his stupid, socialist, economic insanity, offered up America's secrets for political fodder as a distraction. To Obama, America comes second.

lloyd
so when is the great unifying going to start as promised by your messiah.

All we have heard is his childish taunt of I won.

And it seems your savior also feels more affinity with third world dictators than the elected repubs in congress.

But it seems you lefties are utterly clueless as to the stupidity displayed by your messiah and his mishandling of the economy with this massive spending and borrowing.

But when citizens joined the tea parties to protest this massive new spending all we heard fro your messiah is that he was unaware the tea parties were even going on. Seems like he is aware when you lefties are bowing and scraping before him and telling him he will save the world but he remains out of touch with anyone who protests his foolish actions

So tell us bright boy, exactly why should we support or respect this fraud posing as president when he has nothing but disdain for the millions of the country who voted against him or are part of the conserv thinking that questions his socialist policies

btw, do you actually work where you are paying actual income taxes, or are you another fully content taking more handouts from the dims in exchange for your vote


All Is Not What It Apprears To Be
Tim From Texas offers, "He is called the messiah, the chosen one, etc. etc. Response 35 and 38 in this thread as a quick example."

Even a Texan should be able to recognize sarcasm. If not, check with your local librarian.

Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002

"In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/1 2/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html

By Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Dec. 9, 2007

"In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

"Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. BUT ON THAT DAY, NO OBJECTIONS WERE RAISED. INSTEAD, AT LEAST TWO LAWMAKERS IN THE ROOM ASKED THE CIA TO PUSH HARDER, TWO U.S. OFFICIALS SAID.

"The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

"Ye t long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.

"With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. "

Cont.

Hill Briefed-Waterboarding in 2002 (2)


"The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi-D and Rep. Jane Harman-D and Sens. Bob Graham-D and John D. Rockefeller-D, as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss-R, and Sen. Pat Roberts-R."

NOW, if these lawmakers knew what was happening, and did or said NOTHING, then are they not COMPLICIT?

They’d best be careful lest they end up on the short end of an investigation THEY’RE CALLING FOR!

Bush? America first?
That’s right. Since “our version of waterboarding” was exposed over a year ago, how did Obama have anything to do with that exposure? You didn’t read the definition of torture. “Tricking” someone into think they are going to die is torture. You’re just doing the Clinton shuffle with the word “is”.

Porter Goss' statement

"What are we to do while the president of the United States impairs the national security of the country through a transparent political charade? Former CIA director Porter Goss was chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence from 1997 to 2004. He hasn't been heard from much since he was driven out of the CIA in May 2006. In today's Washington Post, he steps from the shadows to call the Obama Democrats on their little game:

"I am slack-jawed to read that members [of Congress] claim to have not understood that the techniques on which they were briefed were to actually be employed; or that specific techniques such as "waterboarding" were never mentioned. It must be hard for most Americans of common sense to imagine how a member of Congress can forget being told about the interrogations of Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed. In that case, though, perhaps it is not amnesia but political expedience.

"Let me be clear. It is my recollection that:

-- The chairs and the ranking minority members of the House and Senate intelligence committees, known as the Gang of Four, were briefed that the CIA was holding and interrogating high-value terrorists.

-- We understood what the CIA was doing.

-- We gave the CIA our bipartisan support.

-- We gave the CIA funding to carry out its activities.

-- On a bipartisan basis, we asked if the CIA needed more support from Congress to carry out its mission against al-Qaeda.

"I do not recall a single objection from my colleagues.

"As for the proposition that the abandonment and disclosure of the enhanced interrogation techniques promotes national security, Goss observes: "The suggestion that we are safer now because information about interrogation techniques is in the public domain conjures up images of unicorns and fairy dust."

What Mac Moore has flopped
As a Texan, I recognize exactly what is coming out of you. I don’t need to speak with anyone to classify it.

Tim from Texas: Wondered the same thing

about MacMoore...

Doesn't sound like our MacMoore...

Chances are, someone just logged in with "Mac Moore" as a screen name...

Happened to me last week. Mac needs to contact TH...







Location: TX
Reply # 187
Date: Apr 27, 2009 - 9:24 PM EST

Let make our voices heard for god sakes!
I think if we as Americans hope to do something about all the concerns we have with the Obama administration, we need to keep asking and commenting on current events using either letters to the White House or that new text message the President service at http://www.PresidentialTXT.com . It just seems to me that they aren't going to seek out our opinion, they are going to wait for us to offer it up.

Obama Is All About Obama, First
Tim From Texas offers, "Since “our version of waterboarding” was exposed over a year ago, how did Obama have anything to do with that exposure? You didn’t read the definition of torture. “Tricking” someone into think they are going to die is torture."

Wrong on both counts.

One of you Liberals leaked that we waterboarded people, with no qualifiers. Until, Obama exposed the trick that we only irritated people with waterboarding, the world never knew.

If KSM was waterboarded over 180 times, at what point was it torture or just a lousy way to spend an afternoon?

Bush let the world think we waterboarded as their imaginations would dream up. By not exposing the truth that we only instill fear, not harm, Bush hurt his political future. Obama, on the other hand, is all about Obama and used our State secrets to feed BDS and his political coffers.

For Bush, it is America First. For Obama, it is Obama first.

Always A Freedom Fighter
Anne offers, "Doesn't sound like our MacMoore..."

Trust me. Dealing with Time From Texas, a Bush Derangement Syndrom baby, is my waste of time.

More Nonsense From Texas
Tim From Texas offers, "As a Texan, I recognize exactly what is coming out of you. I don’t need to speak with anyone to classify it."

What on earth are you going on about?

Where Are The Leaders?
Where are the powerful Republican or Conservative leaders yelling for all to hear that the theater is on fire?

Does oBUMa have to bring the entire nation crashing down around our ears before someone in the House or Senate begins to champion the cause of American freedom loudly and continuously?

Why have they not taken the field of battle against the Great Mountebank Socialist of the White House?

Why is the battle left to a handful of brave patriots like Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh?

Are we so bereft of leadership that our future is left in the hands of talk show hosts alone?

Has the leadership of this once great country already folded their tents in favor of socialist rule?

oBUMa and his minions are boiling the frogs. We're the frogs! And we're all in the pot!

Oblaba is a moron
All he had to do was throw a few rose petals at consrvatives like holding down taxes in a recession to calm the markets, strip the stimulus of ridiculous pork and stand up to thugs and he could have had a 90% rating and could cruise for his first term. Instead his carelessness is guaranteeing an attack, his catering to the dimwits Peloser and Harry Fraud is bankrupting the country and his ostentatious displays of arrogant ineptitude boggles the mind. Oh and the daily blatant lies don't help.

Calling All Libs and Progressives!
I love you all as human beings.

I detest your political views.

I want you to have the best of health.

I want you to be wealthy.

I want you to speak freely.

I would rather have my fingernails ripped out if it would spare your lives.

I would prefer a terrorist to be "tortured" for you and any American if such prevents another terrorist attack.

I would love for all "top secret documents" going back to George Washington to be released, if one American could be saved.

I support the freedom of speech, press, and religion.

I support civil unions.

I adore the 2nd Amendment.

I hate “Big Government” and the Federal Reserve.

And, I wonder what the White House was thinking when it sent a low flying mock-up of Air Force One over NYC this morning scaring millions to death and using tax dollars, to boot.

left-nut dangling
"WHY would someone who HATES the U.S. want to be POTUS? "
So if given the position of POTUS, would Chavez,Castro, Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong turn it down? No way! Even though they are honest enough to admit they hate the USA (actually Obama has admitted to it in some ways), they would love to take that job.

akagi

#1 We DO have enemies. AQ declared war upon us prior to 09.11.01 or did you forget the 1993 bombing at the WTC?

#2 Clinton is a Methodist, not a Baptist.

When Oblaba says, "I won!"
I wish someone would say, "Yeah, we know, so why don't you stop the 'blame the other guy' and America rhetoric and act like a President of all the people?"

Obama
...is a strange guy. I admit if there is a point to all this hugging and kissing tyrants its lost on me. If it makes these people change their ways then so be it, I'm delighted, but you'll have to excuse me for being a skeptic.

All I know is history teaches us that appeasers always get the short end of the stick. I admit I'm genuinely confused why some ideologues continue to beat that dead horse.

Regardless, I think the love fest will ultimately be lost on sho