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Wednesday, October 08, 2008
Dick Morris and  Eileen McGann :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Obama-Ayers Connection
by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
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In the best tradition of Bill Clinton’s famous declaration that the answer to the question of whether or not he was having an affair with Monica depended on “what the definition of ‘is’ is,” Barack Obama was clearly splitting hairs and concealing the truth when he said that William Ayers was “just a guy who lives in my neighborhood.”

The records of the administration of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), released last week by the University of Illinois, show that the Ayers-Obama connection was, in fact, an intimate collaboration and that it led to the only executive or administrative experience in Obama’s life.

After Walter Annenberg’s foundation offered several hundred million dollars to American public schools in the mid-’90s, William Ayers applied for $50 million for Chicago. The purpose of his application was to secure funds to “raise political consciousness” in Chicago’s public schools. After he won the grant, Ayers’s group chose Barack Obama to distribute the money. Between 1995 and 1999, Obama distributed the $50 million and raised another $60 million from other civic groups to augment it. In doing so, he was following Ayers’s admonition to grant the funds to “external” organizations, like American Community Organizations for Reform

Now (ACORN) to pair with schools and conduct programs to radicalize the students and politicize them.

Reading, math and science achievement tests counted for little in the CAC grants, but the school’s success in preaching a radical political agenda determined how much money they got.

Barack Obama should have run screaming at the sight of William Ayers and his wife, Bernadette Dohrn. Ayers has admitted bombing the U.S. Capitol building and the Pentagon, and his wife was sent to prison for failing to cooperate in solving the robbery of a Brink’s armored car in which two police officers were killed. Far from remorse, Ayers told The New York Times in September 2001 that he “wished he could have done more.”

Ayers only avoided conviction when the evidence against him turned out to be contained in illegally obtained wiretaps by the FBI. He was, in fact, guilty as sin.

That Obama should ally himself with Ayers is almost beyond understanding. The former terrorist had not repented of his views and the education grants he got were expressly designed to further them.

So let’s sum up Obama’s Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of “God damn America” fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.

Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm’s-length; and

b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers’s radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.

Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.

Now that Obama is comfortably ahead in the polls, attention will understandably shift to him. We will want to know what kind of president he would make. The fact that, within the past 10 years, he participated in a radical program of political education conceptualized by an admitted radical terrorist offers no reassurance.

Why did Obama put up with Ayers? Because he got a big job and $50 million of patronage to distribute to his friends and supporters in Chicago. Why did he hang out with Jeremiah Wright? Because he was new in town, having grown up in Hawaii and Indonesia and having been educated at Columbia and Harvard, and needed all the local introductions he could get to jump-start his political career. Why was he so close to Rezko?

Because he funded Obama’s campaigns and helped him buy a house for $300,000 less than he otherwise would have had to pay.

Not a good recommendation for a president.

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There is no connection
You are grasping at straws for this non-story, non-issue. Guilt by association doesn't play in this country. If it does, McCain needs to start explaining all of his radical ties. This article sucks toes.

Tyler:You KNOW there's no connection

HOW?

Because someone TOLD YOU?

Because YOU don't want to believe it?

Because You haven't done YOUR homework?

Because it says so on "factcheck.ORG?"

Because YOU'RE one of the ACORN thugs?

Because YOU'VE got proof?

Because YOU'RE on drugs?

Because YOU'RE just too stupid?

The Ayers Factor
Barack Hussein Obama is an opportunist who will hang with anyone if it will benefit him. His relationship with Ayers is irrefutable.

He can lie all he wants to but it will not go away. The MSM has aided him in keeping a lid on his criminal friends,but the lid is about to bloe off.

The people who are trying to keep his lifestyle hidden are as bad as he is. Pravda-lite should be ashamed.

John: You just blew any credibility when

you listed Keating 5 at the top of your list and used wikipedia as your source.

Are "stupid" AND "intellectually limited" requirements for being a liberal?

Or can one be just "stupid" OR "intellectually limited"


McCain's *connections* to Gordon
Liddy !!!! are over a quarter century ago. And Mac was never arrested by any policing organization and was exonerated by the Sen. Ethics Committee of the Keating krap. Again, MORE THAN 25 YEARS AGO.

O's relationships with his radical, terrorist, anti-American bunch lasted for many decades AND HE JUST *DISAVOWED* THEM STARTING IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. 2008.

We on TH know about them, libs. have bananas in their ears and cannot hear about them, but everyone will be sorry if O gets into office and tries instituting his Marxist *community organizing* beliefs on a fragile ec. in a world already destablized by poor financial practices espoused by O and his whole extreme crew.

Bad dudes and bad deals ...
'A vote for Barack is a vote for Buyers Remorse.'

Morris
Hey Dick, you seem to be forgetting something very important: being a liberal means never having to say you're sorry.

Obama and Biden could make a public service announcement telling America that they truly want to make America socialist, then murder the cameramen on live TV, and their brain dead followers would still vote for them.

Obama's Cabinet
How is this for a start:

Secretary of Education - William Ayers
Secretary of Defense - Bernadette Dohrn

Only the beginning.

For the love of God and country
BO Hussein MUST be exposed. Period.

Now that the average American is about to start paying attention to the election, it is absolutely imperative that voters learn the truth about this charletan.

Send this article to every "undecided" you know. The time to inform every voter is NOW!

If H. Obama wins
I wonder if, on his first sleepover in the White House, Ayres will decide to bring his bomb-making kit with him. It would give him a great opportunity to make amends for not doing as much as he wanted to.

Lawyers-Liars, BO &Joe, what else is new
*
The Bridge to nowhere! They both voted for it. TWICE! 2 Lawyers! OBAMA and BIDEN. But does anybody know that? LIARS

Where is the Media? Busy winning an election by attacking children. LIARS


guilt by association?
Obama's choices in associates demonstrates his POOR judgement.It seems that most of Obama's associates are America Haters;leftists and Communists. Of course,Obama is really a Communist,too.His mentor(Obama's own words) Frank Marshall Davis was a Communist.Obama was trained by and USES tactics of Saul Alinsky,another committed Communist.His other mentor,Reverend Wright,is a confirmed America-Hater.Even Obama's wife is an America Hater.
Then add in the Rev.Farrakhan.

Lawyers-Liars, BO &Joe, what else is new
*
2 Lawyers who: Never had a job, never ran a budget, feign economic savvy, START THE WHOLE HOUSING MESS BY DEMANDING THAT PEOPLE WHO CANT AFFORD A MORTGAGE HAVE A "RIGHT", A "RIGHT" TO A HOME LIKE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE WHO EARNED IT, and then tell us that PAYING HIGHER TAXES IS PATRIOTIC AND if we inflate our tires the law of supply and demand will be erased.

LIARS, FREAKN SCUM-BAG______L I A R S

Lawyers-Liars, BO &Joe, what else is new
*
When Barrack Obama colludes with a Democrat contrlled congress-Nancy and Harry and Dickie (MORE LAWYERS who also voted for THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE)now with an 8 percent, E I G H T % approval rating and labeled by the citizens of this country as a "Freak Show" to write new Legislation for Lawyers instead of the People, their will be only one result.

Happy Days, if your William Ayers or Georgy Soros.

Jimmy Carter, Back for more Pain
*
Jimmy Carter 78, " JUST WEAR A SWEATER"

Barrack Obama 08, " JUST INFLATE YOUR TIRES"

SOME THINGS NEVER "CHANGE"

__REPEAL "CHANGE" 08

Don't Forget
Lots of attention lately on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, but don't forget Obama's other ties. Case in point is the Woods Fund, which had Obama, Ayers, and Rashid Khalidi as board members. Khalidi was a member of the PLO back in the day when they killed far more innocents than they do now.

http://blog.topicaltopics.net/2008/10/reports-on-obama-ayer s-khalidi-connection/

Obama's Supreme court picks ?
*
After witnessing firsthand Obama's political mentors and confidants with whom he spent the last twenty or so years; William Ayers, Tony-26 years to life- Rezko, Khalid Sheik Whatever, and the good REV. Wright. Would anyone like to venture a guess as to the character of Barrack Obama's Supreme court nominees.

US constitution no more. How about Shiria Law.

Character Matters
To those who try to minimize the Ayers/Wright/Rezko, etc. connections by pulling the racist card or bringing up Keating --

You are agreeing, then, that character matters when choosing a President and leader of the free world.

I taught my children that their choice of friends reflected on their character and actions, and would expect no less of my President.

ANDY
*
As John Kerry says, BRING IT ON!

Bill: Thank you. :-)

Couldn't resist. lol


Tyler
Right on!!!!

ACORN Associations + Character
Do not forget that Obama's campaign paid approximately $800,000 to CSI, an offshoot of ACORN for "stage lighting" during the primaries. When questioned by the Clinton campaign, the Obama campaign amended their FEC filing to reflect CSI was paid for "get out the vote" activities. (WorldNet Daily, 09/28/08)

Put that together with the documentary "We Will Not Be Silenced"(wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/), and make your own conclusions about what kind of get out the vote activities happened. Of course, Obama's campaign calls this "outlandish conspiracy theories".

What's important here is that when asked to account for his past associations, activities, and beliefs, Obama dodges the question and then goes on the personal attack.

That's chilling and should automatically eliminate Obama from serious consideration for any public office.

What he's done in the past and present will surely dictate how he acts in the future.




T Y L E R
*
The Spanish have a saying; tell me who are your friends and I'll tell you where you are.

Associations don't matter huh?

Heres a little new math for you.

Barrack & Joe, O + 0 = O

Try the second grade again and report back to us.
I think you'll find it enlightening.

A little late for the facts
Where in the hell was this kind of information when it could have had an impact on the public's perception of Obama's fitness to be this nation's president. With three weeks to go, millions in campaign funds and a compliant media, such explicity as to Obam's connection with radical extremists is a little late.

Way to go Morris! Now that it won't have any impact, you can take the controversial position knowing that it won't come back to bite you in the A...

Anne
Posters like John know full well they lying, obfuscating and sowing misinformation. They probably get financing through some Soros outfit like ACORN. The idea is to muddy, confuse, discourage and shut down the debate in any way possible.

Have you noticed TH polls like the one asking who won the last debate were so skewed in B. Hussein's favor - this would be impossible if the vote was legitimate. It's obvious the left is rigging their outcome just as they rig all their media sponsored polls.

And with the able assistance of ACORN, they're going to do their best to rig and steal this upcoming election. Every registration ACORN turns in and has turned in, should be held under federal injunction until they are certified as valid.

RE: John, IL
Investigate McCain's Scandalous Friends
Good try;
The difference is Obama held long term relationships with Ayers, Wright and fPlager, but the MOST IMPORTANT point ot all is Obama promoted thier belief's. Obama was directly responsible for distributing $50M of funds to support and promote Ayer radical education policy to children. That show's he supported the beliefs.
Second, Rev. Wright was his spiritual leader for 20yrs. He said on many occassions, Wright has been the most positive male 'role model in his life. I think that says it all! He married him and his wife and baptized his children. I would not let Rev. Wright touch my children!
Third, Father Pflager was again a long term friend of Obama. Obams provided Illinois
state funds to support Pflager's cause, again supporting radical white hating policies.

So to be clear, long term relationships with people that hate America, and preach it from a pulpit to 1,000s, and try to kill innocient American because you hate your government and teach that belief to children.
Obama supported teaching children to hate american and particularly WHITE's.

Obama, unacceptable, unqualified!

Catherine
"What's important here is that when asked to account for his past associations, activities, and beliefs, Obama dodges the question and then goes on the personal attack."

It's just not 'guilt by association' - it's much bigger. As Thomas Sowell says, it's 'guilt by ALLIANCE with'. B. Hussein was clearly lying when he said his relationship with Ayers was casual - he was actively working and collaborating with the radical terrorist scumbag - and for a very nefarious purpose: to indoctrinate, not educate the young. The ultimate purpose was to make mindless, mean anti-American radical drones of the young and witless.

This is the hateful left abusing the youth of the nation. Rather than be funded, they should be prosecuted and incarcerated - especially Ayers.

Obama, Mccain, the whole mess
Drum, Drum, have we ever heard all this before?
Next thing you know some guy will come out of Africa claiming that B.O. is backing some Islamic revolution there.

There is one sure truth about all the crap that gets kicked around on the news and internet. I dont believe anything that cant be proven with the evidence placed in a newspaper or on line in pdf format,a timeline, and where there is a crime, the indictment and perp walk to go with it.
Any one who gets paid to knock someone and support his adversary is not a legitimate source.
The American people have had it with all the BS. I got my 401k summary today. I am 100k usd poorer today than last week. I did the right thing by my country to serve and comply with the institutions. Money was taken from my income and given to people who destroyed my prospects of a retired life not at the bottom of barrel. Do you think I give a crap about any of these two ego driven wannabees?

Back in the 60's there was foolish talk of a revolution, people like Ayers bought into that. Distrust was everywhere. Any one remember J Edgar Hoover? Now there is a Hoover that deserves some more press coverage.
He called some people commie fagots and it turned out HE was one. Mayor Daily? R. Nixon?
The rightwing earned that generation's distrust.
And they have paid them back in spades.
Look at the ages of those who are running wall street. Looks like the Young Republicans grown up to me.
You want change? Go to the voting booth and vote for ANYONE but the two party ticket.
THAT would be the revolution that we have been waiting for.
out




DanNV
Hillary should have used it. She surely had the info. I would think she would if she could repeat her run. Maybe she will share what she knows now.

Radical Anti-American
Don't you just love the liberal justification for Obama's association with the likes of Ayers? Ayers was nothing more than a spoiled brat who should have had the smirk slapped off his face and his a** kicked long before he declared war on the United States. Likewise his sorry wife. It sounds like Ayers has not outgrown his adolescent craziness yet, either. I am amused when the Obama bunch regurgitates the "he was only 8 years old" line. Obama was not 8 years old when he began consorting with this dirtbag, he was a grown man. His wife was also an adult. Further, what sane human would be seen in the same place with the likes of Bill Ayers? This makes me question the judgment of the U of Ill. Most people know a lot of strange people, but most of us would avoid domestic terrorists. Every friend Obama has fits into the same radical anti-American category. This is what Obama is, also.

With BO Hussein in the WH
At some point, there's be a full-scale civil war/revolution.

Those of us who refuse to surrender and drink the marxist koolaid will stand strong as he takes this country over the socialist/leftist cliff. After the "crash", those of us left standing will rebuild our republic - one step at a time.

Stand strong everyone, just stand FIRM and NEVER surrender.

God Help America

I am scared for my child
If God forbid Obama is elected, will I have to stand by while my son is indoctrinated to be a communist? Will he have me arrested in my own home after he turns me in to the authorities for speaking out against him? I am terrified foro my country.

What else is there?
The Ayers connection is just the tip of the iceberg, just part of a long list of radicals, Muslims and communists and super liberals. this list includes, Tom Hayden from the SDS, Cass Sunstein, Jodie Evans, Rashid and Mona Khalidi from the PLO and hate Isreal, then you have the Chicago Machine and his connection to the crooked politicians there. Then the connection to Tony Rezko. Also all the boards and committees he and Ayers sat on together. And if you heard it in the debate last night he mentioned his plan for citizen soldiers. This man, if elected will usher in the biggest disaster we have ever seen and then confiscate businesses and property to save the people from the greedy. He will rewrite the constitution to suit his purposes. Don't believe it just look closely at his past and those that he admires and have taught him.

Astroturfing
astroturfing: n.

1. The use of paid shills to create the impression of a popular movement, through means like letters to newspapers from soi-disant ‘concerned citizens’, paid opinion pieces, and the formation of grass-roots lobbying groups that are actually funded by a PR group (AstroTurf is fake grass; hence the term). See also sock puppet, tentacle.


When you see posts like John's and those like him, this is what you're seeing.

Ignore the astroturfers.

Go to Kos, and you will find step by step instructions telling you how to become an Astroturfer.

I guess these guys aren't smart enough to think up their own lies.

IGNORE the Astroturfers.

Your day will be a lot happier and it ruins their whole day. :o)


NObama '08
Seig Heil is now "Yes We Can!"

Wobbie the wonder wodent
""Bush is the most disliked President since Nixon...he is even lower then Nixon...there is no civil war...""

You have an uncontrollable desire to prove your total idiocy don't you?

There's been no armed revolution, because despite his many faults, Bush isn't a frigging Marxist.

If Obama is elected we will all get to experience the 2nd Great Depression first hand.

I agree with Recovered Lib. I was once a brain-dead liberal too, then I realized that everything I was against, the libs were For.

Yes, there are still enough Loyal Americans left who Will take our country back if the need arises.

Unlike fake Navy Captains with terminal BDS, We LOVE our country, and will do what it takes to stop it from spiraling into 3rd world status.

Don't believe it?

Hide and watch.

BTW folks, Wobbie here isn't an Astroturfer, He's just an Idiot.



NObama '08
Seig Heil is now "Yes We Can!"

Today's Chuckle
Q. What do Barack Obama and Osama Bin Laden have in common?

A. They both have friends that bombed the pentagon.


(I don't care who you are, that's funny there! (Skeery too!!!)


LMAO! ©2008 Hal Drunkahue - Used without permission

Anti-American
Every single past connection of Senator Obama's is anti-American. How can anyone feel that he believes in this country or will do what is right for it?

His supporters never refute these associations. They change the subject or say it's not important. In the past, what pro American association did he have? Name one. How can any reasonable person say that he doesn't share the same values and beliefs of his past associates?

THE GREAT REPUBLICAN ELECTION CYCLES
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Click ApolloSpeaks and read my piece "John McCain, Hero of Destiny: Signs of Republican Victory," and see these marvels for yourself.




Obama and the press
The American people are being once again duped by a media who are bent on electing their candidate for President, believing all their rhetoric and innuendos against McCain and Palin, while using their familiar tactics to promote Obama and Biden. They believe their opinions on the candidates will do the trick, but who cares what some press mogul, never elected to anything, believes. This is my right to decide from plain facts, but they are set on depriving me from knowing them.

Anyone who votes for Obama
is a gullible sucker, plain and simple.

I bet the Obama campaign is doing a collective snicker right now.

Nobama!
It scares me to think the plotting and planning that Obama, Michelle Obama, Ayers and his formerly wanted FBI wife. The left wing radicals are running scared - as they should be.

Is the Mayor a Bad American Too?



STATEMENT OF MAYOR RICHARD M. DALEY REGARDING SENATOR BARACK OBAMA’S RELATIONSHIP WITH BILL AYERS:


"There are a lot of reasons that Americans are angry about Washington politics. And one more example is the way Senator Obama’s opponents are playing guilt-by-association, tarring him because he happens to know Bill Ayers.


I also know Bill Ayers. He worked with me in shaping our now nationally-renowned school reform program. He is a nationally-recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois/Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community.


I don’t condone what he did 40 years ago but I remember that period well. It was a difficult time, but those days are long over. I believe we have too many challenges in Chicago and our country to keep re-fighting 40 year old battles."


Don't listen to Dick.

Hannity Gets Shut Down!!


Ayers issue gets BLOWN
up!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgn6rjGbp0c


Watch the Bully Boy get his clock cleaned, but good.

Hannitized!!!



RAAHAHA! HAHAHA!


My favorite part is when he gives him the paper...


And he takes it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgn6rjGbp0c


(notice the two hotties in the background laughing at Hannity when Colmes defends him)


Priceless.

It really makes no difference
unless something more devastating is uncovered. The press and the others drinking the Obama Cool Aid will not be swayed.

McCain is a fool to come after Obama Bin Biden on the character issue so late in the campaign. He apparently (and naively) believed that these issues would be pursued by the press earlier. Now it looks like meanness and desperation.

Obama and the dems must be shaking their heads in disbelief at their great fortune. Never has a politician gone so far with so much baggage and so little resume.

Obama ACORN Trainer and gave $800,000

"ACORN is a grassroots political organization that grew out of George Wiley's National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), whose members in the late 1960s and early 70s invaded welfare offices across the U.S. -- often violently -- bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law "entitled" them.

ACORN's mandate today includes all issues touching low-income and working-class people.

The organization runs schools where children are trained in class consciousness; it oversees a network of "boot camps" where street activists are trained; and it conducts operations that extort contributions from banks and other businesses under threat of trumped-up civil rights charges.

In the 2004 and 2006 election cycles, ACORN and its sister group Project Vote ran nationwide voter mobilization drives that were marred by allegations of fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams.

Beginning in the mid-1980s, Obama worked with ACORN and Project Vote.

In 1995 Obama sued, on behalf of ACORN, for the implementation of the Motor Voter law in Illinois. (Jim Edgar, the Republican Governor of Illinois, opposed the law because he believed that allowing voters to register using only a postcard would breed widespread fraud.)

ACORN later invited Obama to help train its staff. Moreover, Obama eventually would sit on the Board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave a number of sizable grants to ACORN.

In April 2007 The Nation reported, “Today Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side [of Chicago].”

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/acorn5.html

Guilt by Associaton


Works both ways.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g72BuIvMbWY



Especially when it has substance.

Bill Ayers - Carefully Chosen Friend
"I chose my friends carefully." - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

Bill Ayers is a carefully chosen friend of Barrack Obama. Born in 1944, Currently a professor of education at the University of Illinois.

Who is Bill Ayers?
------------------
1) Leader of the 1960s and 70s domestic terrorist group Weatherman. The Weatherman issued a 'Manifesto', calling for armed opposition to US policies, includig Capitalism and asked white radicals to launch a 'Race War' against 'White Skin Privilege'. Leaders like Mark Rudd (currently a mathematics professor at a New Mexico community college) traveled illegally to Cuba in 1968 for terroist training by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine, who taught Marxist philosophy and urban warfare. Weather men always spelled America - 'AmeriKKKa'.

2) "Kill all the rich people. ... Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents." Bill Ayers

3) Participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972. Ayers proudly stated that he didn’t "regret setting the bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough."

"America is NOT a just and fair and decent place - it makes me want to puke." Ayers said in 2001

In the mid-1990s, Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn hosted meetings at their Chicago home to introduce Barack Obama to their neighbors during Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois Senate.

In 1999 Ayers joined the Woods Fund of Chicago, where he served as a director alongside Barack Obama until the Obama left the Woods board in December 2002.

Review of Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) documents shows that Ayers and Obama each chaired the two CAC operating bodies from 1995 to 2000.

Michelle Obama started working at a law firm with Bernadette Dohrn, Ayers wife, in 1985.

Obama and ACORN Stealing Votes

There is an old Spanish saying.
“Tell me who you walk with, and I will tell you WHO YOU ARE!”

"I chose my friends carefully." Barack Obama, Dreams of My Father

Did Barack Obama chose the organizations he associated with as carefully?

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a grassroots political organization.

ACORN invited Obama to help train its staff. Moreover, Obama eventually would sit on the Board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave a number of sizable grants to ACORN.

In April 2007 The Nation reported, “Today Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side [of Chicago].”

1) ACORN is the largest radical group in America, with 175,000 dues-paying member families, and more than 850 chapters in 70 US cities.

2) ACORN is implicated in numerous reports of fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams during the 2004 election.

In September 2008 the Board of Elections in Cuyahoga County, Ohio accused ACORN's paid workers, who had been tasked with registering as many pro-Democrat voters as possible, of submitting fraudulent voter-registration cards.

According to the Board, ACORN workers had commonly turned in separate cards with duplicate names but different addresses or different birth dates. Other cards listed people living at an address that was not a residence.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Attorney's office in Michigan indicated that it might prosecute ACORN for similar voter-registration scams in that state.

Obama and ACORN partnering in 'Voter Fraud' 'Change' and 'Hope' for America?

Who is Bernardine Dohrn ?

In the 1960s, Bernardine Dohrn and her husband Bill Ayers were leaders of the Students for a Democratic Society's "Weatherman" faction, which in 1969 went underground to become America's first terrorist cult.

At a 1969 "War Council" in Flint, Michigan, Dohrn gave her most memorable and notorious speech to her followers.

Holding her fingers in what became the Weatherman "fork salute," she said of the bloody murders recently committed by the Manson Family in which the pregnant actress Sharon Tate and several other inhabitants of a Benedict Canyon mansion had been brutally stabbed to death: "Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim's stomach! Wild!" Dohrn is currently an Associate Professor of Law at Northwestern University.

Michelle Obama first met Bernardine Dohrn in 1985 when they worked together at a Chicago law firm.

In the mid-1990s Dohrn and her husband, Bill Ayers, hosted meetings at their Chicago home to introduce Barack Obama to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate.


Recovered Lib #33 & Jackpine #37: I've

been hearing more and more rumblings about just that the closer we get to the election.

And, I'm beginning to think these folks MEAN IT!

Hopefully, we won't have to go there, but if Obama wins (or ACORN produces a win) it might not be a bad thing.


Proof anyone?



The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_ weatherman_connection.html



Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."



Should be a photo or tape somewhere, or is it just a simple smear?

guilt by association with leftists
Among the left, guilt by association is a certainty. Have you noticed that if a known leftist or feminist (say Camille Paglia) says something positive about a conservative (or Sarah Palin) that they are pilloried and rejected? Marxists still get together and have those little meetings to discuss the 'crimes' of their comrades who slip from the communist standards. They do not just do this in informal ways, but according to David Horowitz writing of his marxist days in "Radical Son" they do this formally, in little trials. So that if B. Hussein Obama did not pass muster with Bill Ayers, he would not have been allowed to write the by laws with Ayers of the Annenburg distribution, nor would he have been hired to pass out that money. You will notice that leftists and marxists DESPISE ordinary people. Witness the hollywood leftist loonies trashing all the rest of the country, and the contempt toward average americans showed by the leftists news media. They do not give honors or jobs to people who do not think like them. So if Obama was trusted by Ayers and hired by Ayers and befriended by Ayers, it is because he is indeed, of like mind with Ayers.

YOUNG OBAMA STEPS FORWARD
any other person - young senator stepping forward carrying the baggage Obama has in his hand would be laughed out of the US Senate forget about taking on the DNC and winning the candidacy for POTUS.
In view of Obama's long list of radical associates he could not even win a seat on the town council in my small town or a membership in the tiny yacht club down the street where the American flag is displayed on every surface and worn proudly as a pin by every member.
Stepping forward - putting up a smoke screen around Ayers, Wright, Phleger, Auchi, Rezko, Rashid Khalidi, Farrakhan, etc. etc. around ACORN and his dealing within the Annenberg Foudation, the Woods Fund. CHECK IT OUT!!


Radical?
What the heck was radical about the Annenberg Challenge? Look up the founder, Walter Annenberg, his foundation and then see what the purpose of the Challenge was.

Some Moron on here says Ayers "duped"
Bill Ayers was not duped by the radical thinking of his times. The person who wrote that he was duped is wrong. Ayers was one of the dupers. He is a true believer, who has NEVER changed his mind. If he was duped then, he is still duped now, because he is still a Marxist radical, shown by his attendance in 2006 of a radical education conference in Venezuela, purpose of which is to teach teachers how to turn our kids into Marxists. There are some radicals who have come out of Marxism, one being David Horowitz, author of the story of his journey "Radical Son" and many other books. Bill Ayers was not duped, but is still an active radical who has not changed. Horowitz knew him and Bernadine Dohrn, his wife, and they laughed when Charles Manson killed those people in Hollywood and then ate while the bodies lay on the floor around them. Dohrn thought that was just too kewl. Dohrn became friends with Michelle Obama in the early 80's when they worked together at a law firm. Unbelievable.

Dianne #34
Relax. You have bought into the fear campaign just like McCain wants you to do. It workrd for Bush for two campaigns.

I promise you that if Obama is elected nobody is going to indoctrinate your children to be Communists. This is an old stategy to frighten you.

As a Democrat I may have voted for McCain if he didn't have Gov. Palin on the ticket.

Anne,pa
Why so rude? Don't you have anything intelligent to say?

Intimate Relationship?
Tell me this, do you consider all your work relationships as intimate?
Research the Annenberg Challenge, its founder and its purpose.
This article is a bunch of hearsay with nothing to back it up.
Keep this up and the backfire will not only worsen, the authors credibility will really go down the drain.

Jeremiah Wright Patriot



If Wright hated America so much, how come there is only the one loop they keep playing?



Wright was a Marine. Commended by LBJ!


http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/lbj-thank s-marine-corpsman-rev.php


Shame on you for mis-characterizing this guy.


Right has proved his patriotism, and has the right to be pissed off.



This is the kind of thing that formed his views.



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/may97/tuskegee_5-16a. html





Barack is a ponzi expert
The scam and the sham. Deny and move the pea under the pod again. BO is the most liberal in the Senate and yet he often does not even cast a vote. He is an excellent speaker when he has the teleprompter but he is a scoundrel and fabricators of half truths (Mom and Dad called them lies when I did this as a child). His associations reflect on his character and tell us mcuh about BO the carnival scam artist.

Vote in November and just say NO to BO!

Unusual campaign strategies
Obama has some very unusual campaign strategies. One is that I believe he has paid staff that comments on blogs. Two,they are trying to make everyone think that his election is inevitable.The other night I got the strangest campaign call of my life and I believe it was a campaign call.

The man asked for the owner of the house, and then without identifying a company asked me if I wanted either my house painted or new windows - I said I didn't have any money for that right now (my standard line to get rid of these callers). Then he asked me who I was going to vote for him. I told him McCain. Then he told me he had asked all his callers that and was really surprised because I was the first to say that.

I told him he was full of it and hung up.Now getting back to the paid blogger comments. If you read the comments on CNN 95% are filled with hate. If you read the comments by Barak
'supporters' on Townhall and other forums they are filled with hate and of course they often imply that Barak is almost already president and why is McCain even trying to show up. Pretty disparate.

Truthfullness
I think a list of Obama's "friends" needs to be made and the content of that relationship shown. I think that Ayers, Wright, Flagger,Rezko all fit together. They all really don't like white people, they think America is evil and needs to be shown the right path it should take, Rezko is just a crook that has helped Obama when he was in the Illinois Senate. Obama is not truthful, he reminds me of Billy Bob, you always knew their was a hint of fact among all the bull he could spout so honestly.Obama is a racist and hangs around with racist, Ayers was a terrorist and still is only he has refind his tactics. Now he goes for the children to brain wash them under the guise of Political awareness. I wonder if anybody has ever put his work in the Chicago school system, which is among the worst, and check to see if just possibly his work has caused much of the problem, including Chicago to be known as the murder cappital of the US.

Unusual campaign strategies continued
As I said in my other comment Barak supporters (campaign workers) want you to think he has won already but this one isn't over by a long shot.

I live in California and I can tell you that there are some surprising things I have heard out here. My daughter-in-law is Latino and she tells me while the younger Latino crowd will vote Barak - the older ones will not vote at all because they do not like him. A friend who is from the Philippines tells me that people she knows who normally vote democrat are voting John McCain this year. And my daughter in law also told me that her woman pediatrician told her that for the first time she is voting Republican because she likes Sarah Palin. She added that her husband who is a professor at a UC school is fit to be tied because of this but she going to vote that way anyway.

Has Obama won this one already - I don't think so. Thanks for your good reporting you are the first to logically make the case of Obama and Ayres - You have laid out logically the relationship we have all known instinctively was there. A great service.

Re: ted

Subject: Lawyers-Liars, BO &Joe, what else is new
*
2 Lawyers who: Never had a job, never ran a budget, feign economic savvy, START THE WHOLE HOUSING MESS BY DEMANDING THAT PEOPLE WHO CANT AFFORD A MORTGAGE HAVE A "RIGHT", A "RIGHT" TO A HOME LIKE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE WHO EARNED IT, and then tell us that PAYING HIGHER TAXES IS PATRIOTIC AND if we inflate our tires the law of supply and demand will be erased.

LIARS, FREAKN SCUM-BAG______L I A R S

-------

My sentiments, EXACTLY!

The "American Dream" was predominately earned until LIBERALS injected ENTITLEMENT into the mix ... ACORN, et al.

... from 25 miles North of Berkeley East.



old saying still true
YOu're known by the company you keep. No wonder the Obama campaign is in a tizzy over this. And - to Tyler in WA -if Morris is 'grasping at straws' for this non-story, non issue (as you say), then there's no harm in it being discussed, is there? Methinks you do protesteth way way too much. Andy praytell - what are McCain's 'radical' ties? There are not any. But don't be shy - tell us. The reality is Bill Ayers either directly or indirectly bombed the Pentagon (and why he's teaching at a univerity is disgusting), there's no way you can connect any as equally despicable act to any of John McCain's friends- try as you might to glue it all together by the left's irrational moral relevancy creed. It's horrible that Obama would give Ayers the time of day but OBama did and he did so very willingly.

McCain
If anyone wants to belabor McCain's relationships or the 'Keating Five' or any other relatinship, go right ahead. It's a legitimate argument if you can make the caee. On the other hand, it's also an equally legitimate argument to discuss the Ayers-OBama connection. The American voter can decide - they are the ultimate arbiters of what is a truly vile and despicable issue and that which is not.

All of you Liberals
are really beyond deperate if you truly believe that this guy deserves to be the President of the United States.

I choose to believe that most of you have been, up until the last couple of months, just duped by your party allegience to put a dem in the WH no matter. But, honestly, look at this guy's background and all of the anti-American people that he has surrounded himself with. Do you really want to put a dem in the WH at these costs? This guy is just plain scary.


Repubs Pt 1


I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.'

* Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, and you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School and be President of the Law Review, and you are unstable.

* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.


Repubs pT 2
.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.

* If your husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DUI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.
Get out there & vote folks!

Scary
BO's relationship with Ayers,Wright and Rezko along with the philosophy BO was being taught,comming from Saul Alinksy,is enough to scare me to death.

Not Associations, but Alliances
It seems to me that if Obama had nothing to hide, he would simply explain his work with Ayers. The response in the debate that he was a guy in the neighborhood simply as we have discovered not true. Shouldn't we hold our President to the highest standards? The truth of the matter there is no excuse for any alliance with Ayers and they did have an alliance to spread their radical educational views. Obama is packaged very nicely, much like a Trojan Horse.

FORCE OBAMA TO PROVE HIS CITIZENSHIP

Check out the comments and see how the petition is being signed by people from all over the US:

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1 244/view_all/6/

Republicans


Trade in the currency of fear.


This country was founded by sturdier people than you guys.

They didn't scare so easy.

NObama
Another dead give away of what B.O. is made of is his “go along” attitude, or worse, aid and abet of the corrupt Chicago/Illinois political machine while in office. How can we even countenance having this bozo as President? He has no respect for the sanctity of the democratic process. No credentials worth a crap and guilty by association, is that what we might be getting? McCain doesn’t inspire me much but at least his record and hard work qualifies him. With Palin on the team he can pursue a sane change agenda. But why is the American public even seriously considering B.O. is beyond me…all rhetorical questions, thank you.

Obama and Ayers
Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois. Ayers received the Citizen of the Year aware in 1997. Obama served with Ayers and many Republicans and Democrats on a board seeking to reduce class size in urban schools. Are all those Republican board members terrorists for having served on the board with Ayers? Anyone becmoing acquainted with Ayers in the 90's and poast 2000, as Obama did, would know him as the recipient of a high honor from the City of Chicago, a college professor, a highly regarded advocate of improving education, and would not have a reason to ask hinm what he had done 30-40 years before. Try being reasonable for once.

It seriously matters
Readers, ask yourselves whether the people you choose to associate with, people you ally yourself with, is a reflection on who YOU ARE. Use your heads. Ever hear the phrase, "Birds of a feather flock together?" That's what this means, in essence. It's about being like-minded.

Ayers holds a peculiarly radical world view and, back in the 60s, his world view led him to plan and commit acts of terrorism against his own country and its citizens. (1) Obama has said that he wasn't aware of Ayers' past when they met and that those acts were despicable, blah blah blah, but (2) at some point in their alliance, Obama DID become aware, so (3) what did he do, what did he think? OBVIOUSLY, he wasn't alarmed enough or even sufficiently disgusted by Ayers' past actions to do or say anything other than downplaying their alliance, at least not until he was forced to. Obama is a verbal magician, able to talk in soft, reasonable tones while deflecting attention from the REAL ISSUE (of why this matters) and convince those who are all too willing to believe him.

I highly doubt that Obama really thinks Ayers' actions were "despicable", else why would he have continued working with him? This is ALL ABOUT character and Obama's extremely liberal and radical world view. I don't believe Obama would actually engage in terrorism himself (surely not), BUT he is a terrorist SYMPATHIZER!! If this inconvenient truth about his alliance with Ayers' weren't enough on its face, there are NUMEROUS OTHER connections with like minded people, other radical thinkers and people involved in shady dealings (I don't have to name them, do I?). Wake up voters. Wake up and smell the truth.

Why isn't this on his resume?
This is the question we should be asking ourselves. You know this job would be front and center in Obama's campaign if he thought it would be politically helpful. Why has he told us ad nauseum about his 30 minute anti-Iraq speech but nothing about his years of serving as chairman of this board. The media needs to do its job!!

Roberta


Good point.


How do you figure just to know that?


I have never asked nor suspected anyone I know of being a terrorist.


They may very well have been and I just didn't ask and no one told me.


How is Obama supposed to know? Ayers was friends with a lot of well-known people.


Especially someone like Obama who was new to Chicago.


How would the conversation sound?


"Hey there Professor Ayers. I have no reason to suspect this, or have any apparent or obvious reason to ask..but...

Have you ever planted bombs at the pentagon?"


Ridiculous. Absurd. Desperate.


LMAO

Oh. and there's this.



STATEMENT OF MAYOR RICHARD M. DALEY REGARDING SENATOR BARACK OBAMA’S RELATIONSHIP WITH BILL AYERS:


There are a lot of reasons that Americans are angry about Washington politics. And one more example is the way Senator Obama’s opponents are playing guilt-by-association, tarring him because he happens to know Bill Ayers.


I also know Bill Ayers. He worked with me in shaping our now nationally-renowned school reform program. He is a nationally-recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois/Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community.


I don’t condone what he did 40 years ago but I remember that period well. It was a difficult time, but those days are long over. I believe we have too many challenges in Chicago and our country to keep re-fighting 40 year old battles.

Heavydoug
Would you please STOP DOUBLE AND TRIPLE


SPACING ALL OF YOUR POSTS SO YOU CAN TAKE UP



A WHOLE PAGE/ VIEW WITH YOUR NONSENSE!

Roberta
In your post of 11:49 you ask us to be reasonable. You ask about Republican board members serving with Ayers. Should we try to be reasonable?

The problem is that a reasonable person looks at more than one thing. You haven't. There are too many different associations that Obama has with Ayers and others. I keep wondering where are the other long time friends of Obama.

If you can't begin to question the character of a candidate and their associations with others then you are not properly vetting the candidate.

The truth is you apparently have blinders on about Obama. You probably believe in scrutinizing a candidate, as long as it is not one you support. It would be too embarrassing to admit the flaws in Obama.

Silence the opposition by pleading for "reason".

Tibby



Heavy Doug
You ask how was Obama supposed to know about Ayers. Could the same be asked of all his other associations?

How many unsavory associations does a person have to have before you would start to question his judgment? Will "President Obama" do the same for his Cabinet or is Obama a Potemkin Candidate. Is he merely a puppet of the Democrat party being told what to say and do?

Tibby



Heavydoug and other liberals
Heavydoug...you "talk" a lot (similar to Obama) but really don't have much to say of genuine substance, validity or reliability. This is generally true of many liberals. Are you attempting to say there's no veracity in what Morris is saying in this column? What he is saying is all lies or totally distorted?!

Further, your comments about Todd Palin, regarding a DUI, etc, are juvenile! My, my, he didn't register to vote until he was age 25! How horrendous! Such a "sin"! And worse yet, he didn't go to college! Horrible! I think if you check it out, Obama was not a Professor! As I recall he was a lecturer! Could be wrong, but I don't think so. There's a tremendous difference between a "lecturer" and a Professor.

Your attempt at drawing a LEGITIMATE comparison between the Palin and Obama families is somewhat entertaining but futile, and at best, "juvenile". It's similar to "my dad can beat up your dad"! Surely you can do better(?).

I find it entertaining and usually boring, to read most comments by liberals. The same holds true of liberal pundits ("talking heads") who are predictably repetitious with their stereotypical (party) "talking points". They remind me of "wind-up" dolls! Somewhat similar to viewing the Chris Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow programs...who throw out (throw "up"?) considerable "verbage" and end-up saying so very little!

To be honest, some liberals on occasion, do make some valid points. Very rare however. Keep trying heavydoug and the rest of you liberal folks. If you get out of the "wading pool" some day, you might learn how to swim, and who knows, find that the "TRUTH shall set you free"!


Lightening 2


Please let me get your response to this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgn6rjGbp0c

The issue at hand is being discussed in this clip.

May I..we, hear your analysis please?

Proof
Check it for yourself:
just google Obama and..
The Peace school
Chicago Annenberg Challenge
Raila Odinga
Farakan
Franklin Raines
African Communications Agency
Ken Rolling
Communist Party
Saul Alinksy
Frank Marshall Davis
Rashid Khalidi
Tony Rezko
Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour
Kingdom Holdings
Al-Waleed bin Talal
Don Warden
Pervez Naseem
Abdul Hakim
Rabbi Capers C. Funnye, Jr

What does Ayers have to do with economy?
On the surface, Obama's connection with Ayers has nothing to do with the global economic crisis, the current hot button issue of our time. The subprime mortgage crisis, which essentially precipitated the current economic chaos, was fueld in large part by those with poor judgment/ethics from the top to the bottom (lenders to borrowers). How could Obama run a campaign of "change" and supposed economic reforms when his own political background - with its notorious Chicago politics and dubious associates - seem to indicate a history of or association with those of poor judgment/ ethics?? Obama's past associations with a terrorist, scam artist and wacko preacher (i.e., Ayers, Rezko and Wright, et al.) all reflect on his poor judgment and/or entangelement with dirty politics. No, Ayers et al is not to blame for the current economic chaos. However, it does remind one that when you put your own self-interest ahead and wisdom aside, as Obama's own political history seems to suggest, everyone pays in the end.

Bob


You just listed a bunch of names..

Instead of PROOF!



HAHAAHAH!


You're double talking yourself in a circle.

OBAMA WAS ONLY 43-YEARS-OLD
when William Ayers published:
We see in Iraq that our soldiers are not different. They have—perhaps against their better nature —killed thousands of Iraqi civilians. And some soldiers have shown themselves capable of brutality and torture. Yet they, too, are victims of our government’s lies.

…We would do well to renounce nationalism and all its symbols: its flags, its pledges of allegiance, its anthems, its insistence in song that God must single out America to be blessed. Is not nationalism — that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder — one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred? Patriotism is perhaps the single concept in greatest need of intense scrutiny and questioning in our country today.

NOVEMBER 2006 239 0611PhiDeltaKappan.qxp 11/7/06 10:57 AM Page 239


The part that scares me the most
are the people who hear these facts and don't care. They see the videos of children singing praises and chants to Obama and say "no big deal". They see the terrorist and anti-America friends and say "he didn't know them that well". They hear his wife say she isn't proud of America and say "leave her alone".
When I learned about Hitler youth and the people of Germany during Nazi rule I always thought "what made them do that". I had always believed it must have been out of fear that the German people followed Hitler and turned their children over to him. Now, seeing the god-like way they people today treat Obama and excuse anything and everything about him I realize it wasn't fear - it was hope and belief. Hitler told them he would solve all of their problems and make Germany a better place. They brought the idea. Most German's probably never even read his books - the same with people here with Obama and his books.
We believe it couldn't happen here - so did the people of Germany. They were not "bad" people and not much different from us. When people are getting fact after fact about the choices Obama has made and continue to still defend him and ask for change, then there is nothing we can really do but pray.

Why Didn't McCain


Confront Obama?


Because he would have ended up looking like Hannity.


Lightning? You there?

stbmom


If you look at the kids and crowds they are of every ethnic background.

And everyone is welcome.

Maybe fear is too dominant a force in your life.

Connect the Dollars
Obama Grants Ayers 750K
… a letter dated before the proposal from two of the founders Anne Hallett and Bill Ayers simply says The Collaborative Will Be The Operational Policy And Planning Group
CAC Founder William Ayers associate professor of education at the University of Ill at Chicago also leader of the Small Schools Workshop
CAC GRANT
750K Small Schools Network Connections Creations ISIS NIA PEACE SCOPE
750K Middle Schools Initiatives Network and Chicago Teachers Center.
Northeastern Illinois University
CONTRIBUTIONS OBAMA
Bryk Anthony Chicago 3/11/04 500 1/31/08 2250
1050KCenter for School Improvement Network at The University Of Chicago
CONTRIBUTIONS OBAMA
Rolling Ken Evanston Parents For Public Schools 6/27/08 500 2/29/04 300 1/26/04 250 6/28/04 250
GRANT 796K Whirlwind Mary Roling Director
Ken Rolling Executive Director of CAC
CONTRIBUTIONS OBAMA
Cohen Lewis Coalition Of Essential Schools 7/14/08 1000, 2/11/08 250
950K Coalition Of Essential Schools
Sizer Theodore - Chairman of the Coalition of Essential Schools
CONTRIBUTIONS OBAMA
Moore Donald Chicago Designs For Charge/Researcher 10/14/04 300 America Coming Together 10/29/04 300
900K Network for Leadership Development and Designs For Change.
CONTRIBUTIONS OBAMA
9/27/2007 Bowman, Barbara Erickson Institute Chicago Il 60615 2,000 6/23/2004 1,000 9/25/2003 2,300 9/27/2007
800K Erikson Institute.
600K South Shore African Village Collaborative Network and Coalition
Marie Cobb president of the Coalition to Improve Education in South Shore receiving CAC grant CIESS founded the South Shore African Village Collaborative Coalition a (SSAVC) Director Yvonne Williams-Kinnison. THE AFRICAN VILLAGE ASSOCIATION
Inc 06/17/2002 Agent Name Michael Adolu Wannah Address 6045 S MICHIGAN AVE The South Shore African Village Collaborative for their Celebrate African ... to attach themselves - such as a South Shore African Village Collaborative.

Mam'selle


Name one thing wrong with the first paragraph.


The second paragraph is philisophical and would make an interesting debate.


But the first paragragh..


:
"We see in Iraq that our soldiers are not different. They have—perhaps against their better nature —killed thousands of Iraqi civilians. And some soldiers have shown themselves capable of brutality and torture. Yet they, too, are victims of our government’s lies."


Someone break this down if you can.



You have A choice Repubs


One or the other..

Either Obama is a black radical or,

a commie terrorist.


Ayers is white and no black liberation militant would ever trust a white man let alone conspire with one.

The black radical thing is kind of a stretch too..

Since Obama's Mom is white.

Anyone out there got a Mom?

Well, fatdoug and the other libs

have pretty much proven my point...

One much be "stupid" OR "intellectually limited" to be a liberal?

However, it's pretty clear that one must be BOTH "stupid" AND "intellectually limited" in order to be an Obama follower... and a drooling ACORN criminal...

(Pssst... ALL ACORN members are criminals.)

And then there's the issue of "arrested development," such as fatdoug and say, Toddler Hal donahooey.

Each one an IQ of approx. 12, and development obviously came to a screeching halt at about 6 yrs.


heavydoug
Bill Ayers nationally-renowned school reform program was proven to be ineffective and a waste of the $150 million cost.

I am sure the you can get a teenager to show you how to research the web. Go to http://www.google.com and type the following:
"Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al-Mansour" and Obama

Anne


a woman who is single-handedly bringing back the mullet.

Anne "dentists" aren't just for the liberal elite.


HAAR!


Bob


Are you a bit slow?


This is the 5 or 6 termed Mayor of Chicago.



STATEMENT OF MAYOR RICHARD M. DALEY REGARDING SENATOR BARACK OBAMA’S RELATIONSHIP WITH BILL AYERS:


There are a lot of reasons that Americans are angry about Washington politics. And one more example is the way Senator Obama’s opponents are playing guilt-by-association, tarring him because he happens to know Bill Ayers.


I also know Bill Ayers. He worked with me in shaping our now nationally-renowned school reform program. He is a nationally-recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois/Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community.


I don’t condone what he did 40 years ago but I remember that period well. It was a difficult time, but those days are long over. I believe we have too many challenges in Chicago and our country to keep re-fighting 40 year old battles.


What is not sinking in Bob?

Sheesh.

Real Issue


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c


Try this on for size.

STBMOM
Very good analyses. Add Russia, China, Cambodia, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and African countries to complete the picture.

Let's take Russia.

The Bolsheviks (radical communists) lead by Lenin and Trotsky, changed their political slogans many times, just like Obama, to deceive the population.

For example, when the civil war started in 1918 the slogan was "Land to peasants, Factories to workers, power to the Soviets" (local communist councils). Even tired Russian soldiers, after 3 years of WW1, were willing to fight for a future like that.

After the civil war the economy was in shambles so the slogan was changed to "New Economic Policy" to allow, what was the anathema of the Marxist philosophy, private businesses to open again.

In the late 1920's the policy has changed again to collectivize all peasant possessions in the collective farms and declare all land except tiny strips, belonging to the Soviet state. Peasants uprisings were suppressed by the Red Army and the internal police.

Workers become slaves of the state, working for a minimum salary established by the state.

But if you watch Soviet movies at that period (1930-1955) you will have an impression that life in the workers paradise was a pure pleasure: abundance of food, clothing, new apartments; workers and peasants dancing on the street after fulfilling their state mandated production quotas.

In reality some 10 to 15 million Soviet citizens were thrown in concentration camps, worked and died in the swamps, mines and the Great Socialist projects (like Volga-Don canal).

The Black Book of Communism estimates that 20 million Soviet citizens have been murdered in that period by the impossible working conditions in the camps; by the artificial famine and repressions against the wealthy peasants.

Complacent people in this country seem to never learn from history. Someone has to open their eyes to the mortal danger of Communism.

Oh fatdoug... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Sorry, obviously your emotional development came to a screeching halt at 4yrs. old.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Where ARE those day care workers??? No milk and cookies for you.


A Real Laugh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgn6rjGbp0c


No need to fake it.

Headline:



AP Investigation: Palin Got Zoning Aid, Gifts
AP Investigation: Palin practiced small-town politics to help friends, neighbors and herself


She also stepped in to help friends or neighbors with City Hall dealings. She asked the City Council to add a friend to the list of speakers at a 2002 meeting — and then the friend got up and asked them to give his radio station advertising business.

"That year, records show, she tried to help a neighbor and political contributor fighting City Hall over his small lakeside development. Palin wanted the city to refund some of the man's fees, but the city attorney told the mayor she didn't have the authority."



Some reformer.



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5903509




OBAMA/SOROS CONNECTION - PART ONE
.....OBAMINATION ...by Jon Christian Ryter ...

... http://www.jonchristianryter.com/2008/080908.html ...

"When Soros hosted a major fund raiser for unknown Senator Barack Obama in the fall of 2004, the soiree took place at his New York home. That evening Soros wasn't buying either a President or a prospective US Senator. Soros intended to snag a young political fish, reel him in just a little—but keep him on the hook, letting him grow until he was mature enough to fit Soros' plans. And what were his plans?

It appears Soros, who was born in Budapest, Hungary, would like to be President of the United States. Of course, because he is not a natural-born American, he has to be content to be a surrogate president—the puppet master who pulls the strings for the man in the Oval Office of Barack Obama.

The Rockefeller-controlled banking interests pulled most of their financial support from Clinton and gave it to Obama. The bank flip-flop included Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and JPMorgan Chase (Chase Morgan).

The campaign finance filings of Sen. Obama showed the wealthiest banks and bankers were now bankrolling him. So, for that matter, were some of the world's biggest "Washington influence buyers." .....COLOSSUS

heavydoug
I may be a bit slow but I can read. Can you?

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge: Successes, Failures, and Lessons for the Future. Final Technical Report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project.
http://www.consortium-chicago.org.

From the summary

• Analyses of ITBS scores indicate that between 1996 and 2001, student academic achievement improved across Annenberg schools as it did across the Chicago Public School system as a whole. At the same time, rates of gain in student achievement among Annenberg schools did not improve markedly. There were no statistically significant differences between Annenberg schools and nonAnnenberg schools in rates of achievement gain.
• Across Annenberg schools, student academic engagement was only slightly greater in 2001 than before the Challenge. Classroom behavior, students’ sense of self-efficacy, and social competence were weaker in 2001 than before the Challenge. Like student academic achievement, there were no statistically significant differences in these outcomes between Annenberg schools and nonAnnenberg schools.

worth $150 Million ???

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/09/17/obamas-spect acular-failure-as-an-executive-documented/

Should POTUS be loyal to the U.S.?

Is it asking too much that the person chosen to lead this country actually be loyal to it? Shouldn’t that be the #1 qualification?!

One thing that separates the Right from the Left is the value system that enables the Right to see or acknowledge the bad in someone even when we aren’t the victim. The Left does not have this value system, which is why they tend to be lenient on criminals and mysteriously oblivious to the harm caused by people like Ayers. If Ayers had bombed the home of OBAMA’S parents, only then would Obama finally appreciate the type of person Ayers really is. That’s a character flaw that a president shouldn’t be allowed to have.

Sally, Lightning, Bob
Word to the wise: Don't waste your time with heavydoug. he is completely dishonest, pretending that there is no proof of an intimate Ayres connection using as his basis a blog article that is now EIGHT MONTHS (of continually surfacing documentation that can only be missed by a deliberate effort to avoid it) OUT OF DATE. He pretends that McCain was never COMPLETELY EXONERATED with regard to the Keating 5, that there is ANY substance to a supposed connection to the Italian financier now going to jail or to racists. He believes that HAVING to associate with someone in Congress is the same thing as VOLUNTARILY associating with someone for yeras (as has been proven with regard to Obama and Ayres several times over. He even believes that a joke video intimating that McCain was ogling Palin is credible.

He doesn't grasp the definition of socialism and believes that when bemnoaning the lack of socialized zoos and museums that now "cost more than $100 for a family of four" that they should provide food, toys and souveneirs for free (since he uses the prices of those t justify his outrageous argument).

He is the perfect parady of a deranged liberal: dishonest, ignorant of basic political, economic and historical facts, immune to reason and utterly unwavering in his maintenance of points that have been long refuted (so he posts the same things under multiple columns).

The guy makes us look so good by comparison that it would almost be worthwhile to invent him if he didn't already exist (I miss Loyal Democrat)...

...but that doesn't make him worth responding to at this point.

The Left aren’t just stupid

If only it were a mere matter of stupidity. Anne hit the nail on the head when she called them children. Children do not have the maturity to understand or engage in principled thinking. A person of principle would not actively associate with an unrepentant terrorist. That’s the Left in a nutshell, no pun intended.

I agree with Dick and Eileen
If Barry didn't know who Ayers really was when they first met, why didn't he go running out the front door "like a Banshee" when he did find out who Ayers was?

You know that Ayers loves to brag about his past and would have brag about it extensively to a possible kindred spirit.

Heavydoug
Let me advise you of something...I don't have to view something on utube to know what I'm directly discussing with YOU! I normally visit various websites or other sources to do my research. And, I don't go to "conservative" websites only! I "compare" notes from a variety of sources, not just the ones with which I might "agree". How about you?

Furthermore, I do not see ANY response(s) from you relevant to what I addressed in my previous comments to you. Do you not have any answers?

In some of your comments to another person on this thread, you queried why McCain did not "confront Obama"? Confront him regarding what?! "Because he would look like Hannity" was your response to the question. Do you truthfully believe that?

I do not believe that McCain would be fearful of confronting Obama on any issue! And may very well do so in the next "debate". We'll have to see. Oh! It occurs to me that Obama did not confront McCain on the Keating 5 matter, did he? Why not?

Why do you think that Obama did not accept McCain's "invitation" to appear with him in several town hall type sessions? Do you think it might be Obama who is fearful of something? Do you think it might be that he wouldn't know what to say without his teleprompter "blanket"? Ummmm, I wonder who is afraid of confronting or being confronted?!

Why is the Obama campaign is so "upset" about the ads coming out regarding Bill Ayers, Acorn, etc? Will THEY ever directly CONFRONT and TRUTHFULLY respond to those issues? Ummmm? What do YOU think?

Those issues are going to become increasingly "hotter" as we progress toward Nov 4.

BTW, "lightning" as in P38 LIGHTNING (WWII fighter), is always spelled l-i-g-h-t-n-i-n-g, not l-i-g-h-t-E-N-i-n-g. I figured you'd want to know that...




F1etch (PA)
You're probably very right my friend about responding to heavydoug, but I just simply could not resist!

In responding to him I was generally thinking of the "old saying", "answer a 'fool' according to his folly"! I'm NOT saying heavydoug IS a fool, just not well informed, and not willing to confront issues honestly or objectively.

As I said to him (and most liberals), they're content to "splash around" in the "wading pool" and aren't willing (ready?) to exercise courage in learning how to swim!

Lightning II


If you're going to be around I'll respond, but don't run when it starts getting tough.


Fletch, you are acting silly.


Everyone knows it easily costs 100 bucks to take a family of four to the zoo or museum.


Whiner.

Who is Barack Obama?
I have seen no one who went to college with Obama. I have seen no one who has known him as a child, young adult, college student or state senator. It is like Obama just surfaced four years ago out of nowhere.

Can we put someone is office we know nothing about? What were the subjects of Obama's college papers? Or, the subject of his graduate thesis paper? There must be something of Obama's life that can confirm something about Obama's beliefs and character ... other than the little that he says.

What we do know is that his earlier life mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist. His father was a communist and his mother was a socialist. We do know he belonged to a radical "black liberation theology" church for 20 years. We do know he is friends and an associate of American terrorist Bill Ayers. We do know his wife in a speech said a phrase from Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals, "the world not as it is but as it should be." We do know the living son of Saul Alinsky, L. David Alinsky, said that Obama learned the book, Rules for Radicals, well and Saul Alinsky would be proud of Obama.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4784

If the President of the United States is sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States can we elect as President of the United States someone who, based on the personal and political associations he has chosen, "palled" around with individuals who seek to destroy the United States? Does who he assocates with infer anything about the beliefs and political aims of Barack Hussein Obama?

Response by Paragraph


The clip demonstrates how easy it is to maKE A "GUILT BY ASSOCIATION" charge.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgn6rjGbp0c



1. Dick Morris' column lacks all veracity. Distortion, innuendo, nothing real. (from what I've seen his character does too.)

2. Comments about Todd Palin Show He has not been a sharp, interested, or informed American citizen. (hardly first dude material)

3. It's about the double standard.

4. You don't know whether you're bored or entertained? Coming or going?

5. What about the Mayor's statement?






LightningII:It's okay, fatdoug is a fool

Each time he shows up on TH, it's clear that he has a low IQ, and it obvious that his emotional development came to a screeching halt at about 4yrs. old.


Wouldn't be at all surprised if he's one of ACORN's finest (tells us all a lot about ACORN!)

After getting high and registering 40 dead and/or non existent people (they DO have a quota, ya know!) so the dumboRATS steal the elections, he gets extra credit for his inane posts on TH...


Anne


I do not take you seriously.

You are nothing but a name caller with a non-existent sense of humor.

Most men do not like to hide behind women.(even ones as big as you)


But Lightning may, but I raised nothing but legitimate issues.

Cowboy up... or coward out like McCain did in the debate.

heavydoug
Your #5 What about the Mayor's statement? Did you just arrive on this planet or are you 12 years old? Try taking a small peek at Chicago politics under the present Mayor Daly and his father. It might give you an inkling about how much his opinion matters.

Matriarch


Okay, the Mayor and all the professors. teachers, boardmembers, and students are radicals.



HAAARGH!HAHAHAHA!



You people voted for Bush TWICE and think you have a clue!


HAHA! HAHA!

whew!

Obama's Radical Ties
Obama has too many ties to left-wing radical groups and individuals (Marxist New Party, ACORN, Bill Ayers and others) to even be considered for President. The political goal of these groups is to overwhelm the government bureaucracy with impossible demands (as happened in 1975 in NYC when the demands for welfare bankrupted the city) so that the economy collapses and chaoes ensues. All this makes things ripe for the overthrow of capitalism. Obama has been groomed by Bill Ayers and his radical buddies. And one more thing, this is made possible by a media that thinks it is undoing all the wrongs ever committed and by gaining control of the Democratic Party, turning it into the far-left bunch of socialists we have just witnessed -- I will go so far as to say that what is being done to our economy on the sly is treason and should be treated as such.

Connections
Associated Press

"updated 5:10 a.m. CT, Tues., Oct. 7, 2008
WASHINGTON - GOP presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.

McCain's ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago."






http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27062761/



Oh yeah. Playing your game and winning.

Connections


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDofbll86dY&feature=iv&annot ation_id=event_922988



McCain is not fit to serve. He is a crook.

Can anyone of you conservatives refute this?

Attempts to tie McCain to Iran-Contra...
... suggest it is accepted that Obama is tied to Bill Ayers. Otherwise, why attempt to paint McCain with the same brush to minimize the damage to Obama? Therefore, lets investigate the current ties between Obama and American terrorist Bill Ayers.

larry22


Makes big assumptions.

How dumb yout last post was.

When you attempted to draw focus...
...between the possible parallel between McCain and Iran/Contra and Obama and Bill Ayers, embedded in the parallel is the assumption that the parallels were equal and can cancel each other.

Therefore, this suggest that the Obama camps and his MSM supporters admit there are damaging political ties between Obama and Bill Ayers.

If I claim "A" is a wife beater. And, "A" claims I have beaten my wife. In doing that "A" acknowledges he is a wife beater by attempting to make me equal with him to minimize the damage to him.

Ayers is only the tip of the iceberg!

This is enough for the entire country to throw Marxist Obama under the bus....

"Obama the Messiah - Louis Farrakhan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE&eurl=http://hill buzz.wordpress.com/



larry22


I don't agree with your logic.

There is no proof that Obama has anything to do with Ayers views. Saying someone knows someone proves nothing.

But solid proof, documents, video, witnesses, etc. link mcCain to Iran-Contra and Keating.

Big difference.

Obama's relationship to Ayers is being vetted.

What say you McCain has to fit the same measure?

Keating is a convicted felon with Proven ties to Mccain.

Typical of Larry22's point


Anne,Obama cannot control what Farrakahn says or believes.

Now this is PALIN HERSELF being blessed by a radical witch doctor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE

Notice the difference? The canidate herself!

Try it. Real Proof.

heavydoug, the McCain Iran/Contra...
...thing only surfaced when the Obama/Ayers connection was established as more than just them being "passing neighbors." Even Michelle, Obama's wife worked with Ayers terrorist wife at an NYC law firm years before both couples later moved to Chicago and Barack and Bill Ayers partnered on funds to radicalizing the Chicago public schools.

This suggest there is smoke and the relationship between presidential candidate, Barack Obama, and radical terrorist, Bill Ayers, needs to be looked more closely.

A US president is sworn to protect and defend the US Constitution and our government from enemies of the state. Bill Ayers is still an admitted enemy of the state. Obama is close to several enemies of the state. Can Obama be president of the state he is an enemy?

larry22


I guess you are impervious to logic.


Fine.


Prove your accusations.

Hold McCain to the same standard.


Hey you exchanged several posts with me.. are you aware you have liberal ties?


HeeHee.

KKK Endorses McCain!


McCain is a racist because he recieved the klan's endorsement.

All ties to the klan should be investigated.


http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=68638&mode=t hreaded

(so this is what it feels like to be a dumb repub)

heavydoug, I support McCain...
...you claimed McCain was involved in Iran/Contra in the 1980's as a rebuttal to the relationship between radical ACORN community organizer, Barack Hussein Obama, and radical terrorist, Bill Ayers, involvement during the 1990's up to 2005 and beyond.

You have offered nothing to support your claim of the involvement of McCain with Iran/Contra. I wish you would.

I only suggest both claims, yours and mine, needs to be looked into more deeply.

We need to know what was the relationship between Michelle Obama and Bill Ayers wife, Bernardine Dohrn, while they both worked at the same NYC law firm. We need to know how they both ended up in Chicago and we need to know how Obama and Bill Ayers became associates on radical school projects together.

And, finally, we need to know why Obama originally claimed to barely know Bill Ayers while they both moved into the same neighborhood in the big city of Chicago. Then, we need to know why is the MSM claiming McCain was involved in Iran/Contra at this late stage of the campaign when this has never been claimed by anyone before over the years until the Obama/Ayers connection became an issue.

larry22

Here's proof.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27062761/

Not a rebuttal. I am not conceding that the Ayers charge is credible.

McCain brought this on himself.

heavydoug, using the MSM as proof...
...of their own 'suspect' claim is truly lazy!

It is like a drunk, a liberal, asking another drunk, the mainstream media, if he is a drunk then both drunks drinking to the answer, which is, the guy other there, the sober conservative, is the drunk!



More Proof!
Washington Times


"The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.

The council's founder, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain was launching his political career in Arizona. Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member in the group."


Not a liberal source.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/07/mccain-link -to-private-group-in-iran-contra-cas-1/


Talk the talk, larry22...

Wow, people talking about Iran/Contra...
...20 years ago is accepted as proof of McCain's involvement in Iran/Contra today. Why? Because in May 2008 McCain said Reagan was a strong leader respected by radical Islamic terrorist causing thr terrorist to release the hostages.

The Obama campaign must be terrified over his close personal friendship with American terrorist, Bill Ayers.


larry22


That would be...


CHECKMATE!

The question is why the attempt...
...to associate McCain to this now? Did the democrats in Congress in the 1980's investigate Gen. John Singlaub? Did the democrats do their due diligence back in the 1980's? Was Gen. Singlaub charged and / or convicted of anything? What involvement does the crazy liberal blog, Daily Kos, have with this story?

Again, we need to know what was the relationship between Michelle Obama and Bill Ayers wife, Bernardine Dohrn, while they both worked at the same NYC law firm. We need to know how they both came to move to Chicago? We need to know how Obama and Bill Ayers came to be close associates on radical school projects together. And, why did Obama seem to forget he knew and had worked closely with Bill Ayers for many years?


larry22


Opened a Heavy can of...

Whupass!



Next?

The Daily Kos created "Red Herring"...
...establishes nothing about McCain except to reveal that radical, Barack Obama, has troubling connections to American terrorist, Bill Ayers, and this is causing concern for the Barack Obama campaign, as they cannot control it. Their radical connection is smoking, and the Obama campaign's behavior suggest there must be fire, too!

This is no game! Too much at stake! If you went to play, go play in traffic.

Coward McCain


Won't say it to his face.


McCain's a real phony. Look.


"McCain did lose two Navy aircraft while piloting them, both due to engine failure. A third was destroyed on the deck of the carrier USS Forrestal when hit by a missile fired accidentally from another plane, triggering a disastrous fire that killed 134 sailors and nearly killed McCain. A fourth plane was lost when he was shot down over North Vietnam on a bombing mission over Hanoi. There's no evidence that any of the four destroyed planes were lost to pilot error.
A fifth alleged "crash" turns out to be a misinterpretation of a biographer's description of a flight accident that did not result in the loss of the aircraft. More about that later. "


This a pro-McCain site!


http://www.city-data.com/forum/2008-presidential-election/4 26787-mccain-did-not-crash-5-planes.html


But you can read between the lines and tell that McCain was and is a fiasco.

He got promoted because his dad was the Admiral. He took a more qualified guy's place during war and got shot down. The Doofus.

And plays hero.


He was involved in helping Keating steal all those people's money.

He dumped his wife so coldly it defys decency.

Just like George Bush. Daddy gace them everything. If they had to earn it themselves, thet'd still be at the back of the class where they belong.

heavydoug...last comment
Yes indeed, F1etch and Anne are correct...responding to you is pretty much a waste of time! You posted something above; I don't know if it was supposed to be a response to me or not. If it was to me, you still didn't address anything I brought up with you. That doesn't entirely surprise me, although I always hope for the "best" in an individual, I have learned not to be greatly disappointed if that person fails to live up to my hopes for them.

I don't have the time to engage in meaningless "discussion" with someone who is not interested in being truthful or objective.

I learned long ago following graduate school and a career in counseling/psychotherapy, that there will be individuals who will not be honest with themselves, nor the therapist.
At that point, a decision must be made whether to continue counseling sessions or suspend them.

Guess what? Our "sessions" are concluded...I wish you well in future endeavors and genuinely hope that you discover some kind of satisfaction in life. I sense that you are not a happy person for whatever reason. That is not up to me to determine. It's solely in your hands. Remember however, the "TRUTH shall set you free", IF you're willing to seek it AND accept it...


Lightening 2


Thanks for the session Doc.


Gallup Tracking Poll

Obama 52% The mean old guy 41%


Sweet Dreams.
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