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Saturday, October 27, 2007
Dick Morris and  Eileen McGann :: Townhall.com Columnist
What She'd Do: Hillary's Hidden Agenda
by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
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When a major presidential candidate refuses to reveal the specifics of her campaign program, taking the position that she "won't answer hypothetical questions," how are we to gauge her candidacy and intentions?

There's only one way: We must become detectives, reading her statements - particularly between the lines - to figure out her ideas and likely governing philosophy. And we also need to examine the agenda being formulated in Congress by the left wing of the Democratic Party to help us to fill in the blanks in assessing Hillary's true intentions.

She'll never tell us.

The headline to this article is intentionally conditional ("what she'd do", not "what she'll do") because, despite her front runner status, she is, thankfully, not inevitable. But we can't ignore her commanding lead in the Democratic Primary (Rasmussen has her at 46% with Obama at a puny 18% and Edwards out of sight at 11%) and her strong showing in general election matchups (she beats everybody but Giuliani).

So it is definitely appropriate to read the tea leaves and project what President Hillary would do if elected.

The answer is not pretty. If she is elected, as it looks like she will, there is a very good likelihood that she will bring with her a heavily Democratic Senate. With four Republican incumbents endangered (Coleman, Minn; Sununu, N.H.; Smith, Ore; and Collins, Me) and four open seats likely to go from Republican to Democrat (Virginia, N.M., Colorado, and, possibly Nebraska), she could have 58 Democrats at her beck and call, making a filibuster unlikely.

That highly Democratic Congress and President Hillary would likely combine to enact legislation so far reaching and ideologically polarizing as to be a rare turning point in American history. One has to think of Woodrow Wilson's first two years, FDR's first term, Lyndon Johnson's first two years as president and, on the right, Reagan's revolution to find anything comparable in scope and extent.

It's a frightening thought.

Start with her tax policies.

TAXES

Hillary makes no secret of her intention to roll back Bush's tax cuts on the 'wealthy.' But her definition of 'rich' is sufficiently inclusive so as to encompass everyone with a family or household income over $200,000 a year. Clearly she would include the following in the tax cuts she will repeal (or allow to sunset):

She'd raise the top bracket of the federal income tax, restoring it to 39.6% from its current 35% level.

She'd increase the capital gains tax, restoring it to 20% - or maybe even go higher. My bet is that she will increase it to 30% or even eliminate special treatment for capital gains altogether, taxing gains as ordinary income (at 40%).

Hillary will almost certainly roll back much- if not all- of the estate tax reductions of recent years, lowering dramatically the size of estates subject to the levy.

She'd restore the tax on dividends to 30% from its current 15%.

But her agenda will doubtless go further. She will be much more radical in raising taxes than Bush was in cutting them.

SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES

One of her most important steps will probably be to raise Social Security (FICA) taxes. She won't raise the rate since that would impact her liberal base. Instead, she'll raise the threshold of income that subject to taxation, now limited to the first $97, 500 of income.

At a recent candidate forum in Iowa, Hillary played it cute. First, she told the audience that she had nothing 'on the table' about Social Security taxes. Then, after the meeting, she privately told Todd Bowman, a schoolteacher who was in the audience, that she would consider imposing FICA taxes on all those who earn more than $200,000. She told Bowman that she would probably keep the current threshold at $100,000, skip the next hundred thousand of income, and then tax all income over $200,000 for Social Security.

So, look forward to some big changes there.

(Of course, she will not remove the cap on benefits, just on taxes).

Her remaining tax increases will likely relate to ending the capital gains treatment of carried interest in partnerships. Managers of real estate, energy, or private equity partnerships pay capital gains taxes on their management fees or their share of the profits even though their payments have nothing to do with any capital they may have directly invested.

Hillary will dress up these tax increases (the biggest in history) as tax relief for the middle class! She'll maintain this fiction by using the bogyman of two largely theoretical tax increases which might eventually confront middle class taxpayers.

EXTENDING THE BUSH MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUTS

First, she'll take credit for renewing the Bush tax cuts in the middle and lower income tax brackets. Projected over ten years, this will come to a tidy sum of "tax relief" she will offer to the middle class. Since these cuts are slated to expire in the early years of the next president's first term, their extension could be billed as a middle class tax cut.

THE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX CUT

Second, she'll change the nature and structure of the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) so it does not affect the middle class as drastically as it will if left unchanged. This legislation, enacted more than a decade ago, was designed to subject all high income taxpayers to a minimum proportion of their income they had to pay in taxes regardless of which deductions or shelters they claimed on the tax forms.

But inflation and increased prosperity has now moved 23 million Americans into a position where the AMT would apply to them.

Hillary never mentions that it was her husband who vetoed the repeal of the AMT in 1999. No, it's all the Bush Administration's fault.

In recent years, Bush and the Congresses have chosen to adopt one year patches to postpone the effective date of the expansion of the AMT to the middle class. They did so because they didn't want to have to account for the ten year projected revenue loss repealing or modifying the AMT would entail.

But it's a game. Nobody expects the AMT to take full effect, ever. However, the amounts involved are so stupendous that Hillary can take credit for all of it, over ten years, as part of her "middle class tax cut."

By cutting the two theoretical tax increases - renewing Bush's middle income cuts and reforming the AMT - she can show the biggest net tax reduction in history at the same time that she is, in fact, legislating the largest net increase in history.

HEALTH CARE

Having once been wounded and left for dead by her signature issue, she is very carefully deceiving us about what she would actually do as president in changing health care. She pretends that she would simply move to cover the 45-50 million uninsured and would leave everybody else's health care insurance in tact.

But her pretensions are nonsense. If Hillary extends health coverage to 50 million Americans, she will drastically increase the demand for all manner of health and hospital care services. The fact that most of those who will be newly covered are illegal immigrants or other people living just below or just above the poverty level indicates an especially high rate of increase in demand for services. But the supply won't go up. There will be no sudden increase in the number of doctors, nurses, or hospital beds.

With a constant supply and a rapidly increasing demand, prices for health care will skyrocket. But with 16% of our GDP currently going to health care, how much more can we afford? No other country has more than 11% of its economy devoted to the medical sector. The Administration will have to resort to price controls or limits on health care utilization to temper the increase in health costs.

That means one absolute change that she's keeping quiet about: health care rationing by the government. Hillary will say that it is fairer to ration health care based on merit than on price as it is now done. But the fact remains that "no, you can't" will be heard more and more by those seeking health care.

This impact will be especially great on the elderly, where life and death decisions must be made with a view to balancing costs with benefits. While every elderly person is already covered by Medicare, of course, the aggregate increase in demand caused by the inclusion of 50 million new people in the system will drive up costs for all and require rationing for all. And it is easiest to ration medical care to the elderly. Half of all Medicare spending is during the final year of the patient's life. We will see a revisiting of the "duty to die" ideas of former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm.

The long term effects of Hillary's health care reforms will fundamentally change the entire nature of our medical system. The utilization controls and cost limits will make the current private insurance system a cover and a front for increasing government regulation.

PRESCRIPTION DRUGS

In the area of prescription drug costs, which account for 10% of all health care spending, we can anticipate major efforts to reign in costs, requiring generic drugs on all Medicare and Medicaid prescriptions, cut backs on pharmaceutical advertising, and limits on drug company reps who push their medicines on doctors.

The taxes Hillary will raise can always be repealed. But her health care changes are forever.

EDUCATION

Hillary will likely follow the lead of Congressman George Miller, Chairman of the House Education Committee, in weakening the essential provisions of the No Child Left Behind Act. Under its current provisions, schools and students are rated based on objective test scores. Miller's proposals, which Hillary will probably adopt, call for using graduation rates as a substitute for testing in assessing student and school performance.

The difference is crucial. It means that subjective grading by the teachers themselves will be used to asses the success or failure of their teaching. A system designed to bring higher standards to schools will bend to accommodate mediocrity as a result of pressure from the teachers unions.

IMMIGRATION

Hillary is co-sponsor of two key bills: The SOLVE Act and the DREAM Act. These two acronyms describe legislation which would give every illegal immigrant, and their children, legal status if they have lived in the United States for five years.

To earn this amnesty, they will not be required to learn English, have a job, stay arrest-free, pay taxes, or jump through any of the hoops set up by the Bush Administration. They would simply have to live in the U.S. for five years without getting caught.

These laws also guarantee in-state tuition for all children of illegal immigrants who have lived here for five years.

And, since the illegal immigrants would now get legal status, they would be eligible for another of Hillary's campaign promises - free health insurance for all citizens and legal immigrant children.

So, here's the deal: Come here illegally. Dodge the cops for five years. Then you can get legal status, a path to citizenship, health insurance for your kids and in state tuition at their local state university.

SOCIAL POLICIES

One of the most novel of Hillary's ideas (and perhaps the most pernicious) will be the extension of government largesse to the middle class.

Hillary realizes, as Bill once told me, that any government entitlement for poor people can be easily repealed since they lack political power and practical voting strength. But middle class entitlements, once granted, last forever - see Social Security and Medicare and rent control in New York City.

So Hillary will pioneer entitlements and grants for middle class families, making them at once dependent on government aid, winning their political gratitude, and giving them a stake in benefit programs that also help the poor.

She will bring us much closer to the Swedish, French, and German model where everybody gets a check from the government, regardless of their wealth or income, making it impossible to criticize the program.

Already she has floated three ideas along these lines:

She proposed a $5,000 baby bond to each newborn in the U.S.. After public mockery, she backed off the idea, but it likely remains on her agenda. She suggested government grants to the states to fund seven paid days of sick leave for all employees, public or private. She favors extending the coverage of the Family and Medical Leave Act to all businesses of 25 or more employees, down from the current exclusion of all firms with 50 or fewer workers.

But these programs are but the tip of the iceberg. Her presidency would bring with it a major expansion of government benefits, particularly in those flowing to the middle class. The potential of such legislation is to transform us into more of a European style nanny state social democracy and less of a free enterprise country based on self-reliance.

TERRORISM

Look for her to curtail the wiretapping without warrants by the NSA and to weaken the Patriot Act in important respects. Hillary will have to respond to the demands of the left to curtail programs like Guantanamo and aggressive interrogation techniques even though these steps would make us more vulnerable to terrorist attacks.

IRAQ

But don't think Hillary would withdraw from Iraq! She won't. If anything, she may increase our commitment there and extend it for many years.

As president, Hillary's most pressing concern will be to show the world and her domestic audience that she is tough. Overcoming misconceptions of how a woman might govern, she will be at great pains to demonstrate her strength and firmness. These concerns, plus her own views on the Iraq situation, will keep us in Iraq for most of her first term.

Before Obama entered the Democratic primary and transformed a cakewalk into a potentially tough fight, Hillary was quite plain about her belief that our involvement in Iraq "entailed significant residual security commitments" that she felt bound to honor. Interviewed by the New York Times in March of this year, she suggested several of the missions she felt would have to continue under her presidency:

Policing the border with Iran
Hunting al Qaeda in the provinces
Providing intelligence, logistical, air, and training support to the Iraqi Army as needed.

While she refuses to elaborate or to speculate on the size of the troop commitment which would be required, one can easily see her becoming committed to a policy of ongoing troop presence. And once we have troops in Iraq, we might have to send in more to protect the ones we have there.

It will be interesting to see how the Democratic liberal base takes to her Iraq policy. It is easy to see her becoming subject to the same kind of abuse and criticism as Lyndon Johnson was when he escalated our troop commitment to Vietnam after winning the 1964 election on a peace platform.

We hope it won't happen. But if she does win, this outline will likely prove prescient - and depressing.

Hold on to your wallets!

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Dick Morris, a former political adviser to Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and President Bill Clinton, is the author of Condi vs. Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race. To get all of Dick Morris’s and Eileen McGann’s columns for free by email, go to www.dickmorris.com
 
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Plans
"I have a million ideas, but the country can't afford them." Hillary said.

If one increase taxes he reduces government revenue, simple, and proven time and time again. The woman must be stopped.


Plans
"I have a million ideas, but the country can't afford them." Hillary said.

If one increase taxes he reduces government revenue, simple, and proven time and time again. The woman must be stopped.


Sweden
I just spent a weekend in DC with 20 people who call themselves progressives. Some worked for Bill Clinton and others workled as far back as Carter, but they are all waiting for Hillary to assume queenship so they can go to work for her and start turning the US in Sweden.

They think Sweden is the perfect country. It is socialist, not really industrialized, neutral, and ineffective in world politics. That's their perfect country.

If the US elects Hillary, these people will help run her administration and like good commie bosses subject the rest of us to high taxation, restriction of our health and educational choices, and energy surcharges that keeps us from freely choosing jobs or houses or vacations.

Forget they'll bring us military humiliation in the Middle East and resumption of terrorist attacks at home.

Hillary has already conducted her own illegal wiretaps in 1992. Don't people see that as a lawyer she has never upheld the law?


HELLary belongs in the Big House, NOT

the White House...

http://kevinmccullough.townhall.com/g/3a909b05-c859-4926-a0 32-893db0eb2c17

New Criminal Charges Greet Hillary on her 60th!


I am concerned that even what Morris lists is only the beginning of her agenda.

Should we be afraid? Yes, we should be VERY AFRAID!



Oh Charles; Take a look at the videos

on McCullough's blog.

I'm still waiting for the Republicans to bring up the issue of the "Clinton's List of 50" ... you know, the 50 associates and employees who have met an early and questionable demise?




For ALL the reasons
mentioned in this article, Hillary must be defeated. She is a plague waiting to infest the United States and must be stopped.

GHOST STORY
A true ghost story? You decide. On the same evening as Hillary's birthday fund raiser, Huckabee's band played at Buddy Holly's last venue.By chance? I think not. Imagine if you can a Hillary//Huck ...ticket....matching...COLLECTIVISM...plus music. Huck drove.

Is Hillary a repeat of Bush?
The Clinton/Pelosi fault line


POLITICO-Clinton’s and Pelosi’s differences of detail cumulatively add up to something large — two distinct strands of thinking about where threats to U.S. national security lie and how aggressive to be in confronting them.

Liberal Democrats will have to get over it: Clinton is an authentic hawk. Her support for the Iraq war resolution five years ago this month, whether motivated by politics or principle or some of both, was not an aberration. Nor is her tough talk against Iran.

Assuming she wraps up the Democratic nomination over the next couple of months, she will almost certainly emphasize these interventionist views.

READ MORE


http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-clintonpelosi- fault-line


Charles: Spoken like a true lib-idiot!

Who cares what you think about Gingrich. He's not running for pres.

Can you NOT stick to the topic?

Oh yeah, the answer is no. You're a liberal whose logic is non-existent.

And, don't be so sure about who will be pres. It's a long time between now and elections. In fact, it's a long time between now and the primaries.

A lot can happen.... :-)





Boomer's Twilight Years
1)In 10 years, over 200 million baby-boomers worldwide will have retired, with another 200 million retiring worldwide during the next decade.

2)The boomers hold about 55% of the world wealth in the form of real estate and stock equities.

3)The boomers will be the first generation in human history not to pass on thier wealth to younger generations. What they do not spend, goverments worldwide will confiscate.

4)Twenty of the richest 22 nations have fertility rates below replacement levels. For example, Russia's fertility rate is 1.1 per couple, as is Italy's Greece, Spain, and Japan. Overall, the wealthiest nations average around 1.8 children per couple. Even China has had a 1 child law for 30 years.

Despite who occupies the White House, or who runs Congress, there just enough people to sustain the worldwide wealth creation we've seen the last 30 years. The wealthiest nations will stop creating wealth, and start spending thier accumulated wealth on things like health care, retirement communities, and gated, secure neighborhoods.

Only Islamic nations will see large increases in thier native populations.

What is a BJ?
I look at the logic of the issues .Feelings and emotions are equally important. Lies defeat them, however.

Ah, Charlie, you didn't watch the videos

did you?

Didn't think so!

But that's okay. We expect the liberal idiots to go blindly on ignorant of what's happening.


Let's do the math with feeling
Rudy can not win the general. Rudy only got 1 % of the PROLIFERS vote 25 % of the base. They voted for CARTER ,remember?A vote for Rudy is a vote for Hillary . Do not be fooled with the Hillary hate,Dick has his new book ready for print"BILL FIRST PERSON" . It is money in the bank if Hillary wins....WAKE UP AND SMELL THE POTUM ...Ann Romney is the only one that can kick Hillary' *#*.

Hillary's most pressing concern
I will firmly say Hillary must not be allowed back into the White House. With such unabashed, irrefutable corruption, the Clintons should go directly to jail, and not pass go.

But I have one mild beef about your article:

Mr. Morris,if any of the other Democratic candidates were to, uncharacteristically and hypothetically, have the same stance on Iraq that Mrs.Clinton has, would you accuse them of pretending to be tough as well, or is that perception reserved strictly for women?

We haven't any idea how a woman would govern? Have we never heard of nor seen a woman in high political positions in all of history, including Queens and Rulers? How about today? Sure, it is relatively few female leaders in comparison to male leaders, but you make it sound like this is truly a first to have a female leader. You say there are "misconceptions of how a woman might govern". Still? My bet, given the variety of leadership styles and the varied competence of the men and women who have led in the past (and today), is that we can judge a person's leadership ability based on absolutely nothing, including gender, except the individual person herself/himself.

On that criteria alone, Hillary should not be allowed into the White House ever again!

IGNORANT BIGOTS and UNCARAING LIARS
Quess that says it all.What is postum ?

If hillary doesn't scare you
If hillary doesn't scare you then you aren't paying attention. Or possibly....lets see, how can I put this diplomatically...you are a complete idiot who thinks you are going to get something free.


What is COLLECTIVISM ?
I know it is double feature Saturday however,Why am I calling Huckabee and Hillary this? Are there no neocoM s in the room?

Charles...go find a science class
Climate change? We can all read the numbers. Somehow, however, a simple concept keeps slipping past many people's awareness. The sun is hotter now than it was yesteryear. Really. It is. And, while this does suprise some, it is quite logical to most, that sun actually heats the earth. Simple logic leads us to ask "If the sun gets hotter, would that mean the earth gets hotter too?" Simple answer. Yes.

Evolution? Sure. It happens right in front of our eyes, at the micro level. Very beautiful stuff. But evolution is scientifically wrong at the macro level. The biochemical systems of the human body are stunningly complex and can't evolve. If they were any less complex than exactly what they are today, they wouldn't function (not even sort of) and the organism (ape, rat, dog, human) would die. We didn't know all the details of this until the birth of the relatively new science of biochemistry (which Darwin knew nothing about), but since then we have learned much! Simply put, our bodies cannot have evolved into what they are today. But what happens with Darwin Ape/Human believers, is that they not only want to throw God out of the picture, but they have to be willing to throw science out the window too!

Lets see...

Tax the "rich"... The rich cut my pay?

Tax the "rich" some more... they cut my pay more.

Hmmm... Sounds like Hillary doesn't like me.

Senate analysis is AWFUL
It won't be a 42 GOP Senate, more like 45-46. Hillary might just win, but we're Americans and will survive her in the White House. What is Dick Morris trying to accomplish here? I'm sick and tired of the gloom and doom. Let's just do our best to beat those who want to ruin our nation and play the hand we're dealt. Let's just agree that ANY of the GOP candidates is a world better than Hill. If she wins, it will just mean being heard and defeating things issue-by-issue like we did with a Democrat Senate on the immigration amnesty issue.

Nature looked back upon it self & asked
Why?......... I am that nature . I all ways ask why .I see ignorance ,apathy, and bigotry."Evangelicals for Mitt" & "the mitt report" ,you make angels cry.do you feel Quilty because of your parents bigotry ?

You know charlie, you are so typical

of a rude, ill mannered, impertinent, uncultured, liberal college kid who knows nothing about... pretty much anything.

Come back when you've grown up and learned a little...

No wait, in your case, come back when you've learned a lot more than you obviously know now.

Your parents must be so proud of what they spawned and raised.





Charles, please....
Name calling is your method of discussion?

That is officially called a "logical fallacy" when one doesn't have an intelligent response and so he/she resorts to name calling. Skip the name calling and just present a logical arguement.

Another fallacy....
I am a creationist and don't believe the earth is 5000 years old. Never have. Never will. My belief from the Bible says that God called the periods of time in which He created the earth (out of matter that already existed, by the way) a "day". How long that "day" is, no one knows, but I personally do not believe it represented the 24 hours that we, today, call "day".

Another logical fallacy....
You didn't respond in even the vaguest sense to the arguement posted in response to your post.

Charles:
I stand by my statement.

terrorism
The only area in which I disagree with Morris, is on Mrs. Anti Christ's prosecution of the war. Once she takes office, (please God no!) she like her cowardly husband, (I need a b.j.) Bill, will give in to any demands made of us by terrorists. They will think they can make nice nice with these cannibals. Don't forget, American hating George Soros is her boss. She will care more about what he and the rest of the left wing loons like Charles the uninformed wants. It won't be long before more U.S.Cole, Kobar Towers, buildings in New York and other similar incidents will re-occur.
The first people they'll get are Charles and his ilk. We Conservatives will resist with our evil firearms.

Albert said time does not exist
It is always now And light can not go faster than it self .Warp speed is warpped space.If m=excx2 then the BIG THOUGHT fact is true at the speed of now. Nature spoke and vibrational strings became you and me. I have made angels cry and they are still with me.

Stay young and have a brain...the trick
A young person that is not liberal does not have a heart ,a wise or old person that is not conservative does not have a brain."EVANGEILICALS FOR MITT"or "The Mitt Report"

OOPS sorry OOOPS
I missed spelled 'Evangelicals for Mitt" But I can walk since my stroke....don't taz me bro....A vote for Rudy is a vote for Hillary........Use your foresight.....WAKE UP AND SMELL THE POSTUM...... Ann Romney is the only one that can kick Hillary's *#*.......What is postum?

time to dig a hole
Yeah DICK, it looks like it's time you start hiding your money - I mean, that's all you really care about isn't it? If you're a proper "me & mine" GOPer, it is.

Make up your mind, Charles.
You complain and whine when Bush takes action, and now you are complaining when he didn't?

Charles is a loser,
it doesn't matter the outcome of anything, Charles will remain a loser. We all know his type. He sticks his tongue out at you when your back is turned. Charlie kid, if Hillary wins, you're not getting anything out of it. You're just a childish, whiney, silly sounding loser. Profanity and name calling, yeah, that's some tough stuff.

talisman:
When Hillary and the damcrats talk about "taxing the wealthy" they don't mean that they want to tax wealth. BJ and Hillary aren't going to pay any new tax on their millions. Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and all the other rich dem pols won't be paying anything extra. George Soros won't either.

Hillary wants to tax income; people trying to become rich. And these are also the people who create most of the new jobs and new products.

So when you lose your little minimum wage job and can't find another Hillary will give you handouts, taking from the people who could have created new jobs.



Charles, grammatical genius
Dingleberry,
The U.S.S. Cole (better?) was bombed on Oct.12, 2000.
If I'm not mistaken that was before Bush was elected (fair and square)but as always sicko's blame everything on Bush even when he wasn't in office. Get your facts straight dumbo.
One thing you were right about my messing up U.S. for U.S.S. since I proudly served during the Korean War, er excuse me "police action" aboard the U.S.S. Cushing D.D. 797. (that's a destroyer to you in Rio Linda, as Rush would say) In what branch did you serve, and what war did you fight?
BTW, you may have more guns than me. The problem is you'd never use them for fear of offending someone.

I just hate petty people
Charles writes: 7:17 PM
WOW
zbobby

By the way, the U.S.S Cole (not the U.S. Cole) was bombed just a fefw
[Not fefw, its few]




months before Bush took office and the Bin Laden connection was not made certain untill
[Not untill, its until]




February. Bush did nothing.

Charlie,
You do know what profanity is don't you? You indicated that I had been profane. Want to point it out? And as far as refuting anything you say, #1 you don't say anything, and #2 what would be the point if you did?

How about this for a refutation. I don't agree with anything you say. If you are ever original, I'll give it a try. That is, if I can get past the childish screed so popular among you and your crowd.

the inevitibility of missus clinton
the election is still one plus year away. The dims are still having an essential lovefest for the missus clinton as she has no real competition for the nomination. The repubs have still to determine who will carry their banner but have four to five still in the running. The real battle will begin come after mid feb. The candidates will be decided and the real attacks will begin. The clinton's developed a real attack machine going after all enemies and in their case mostly imagined. This time however they will find themselves on the defensenot only explaineing every statement the missus clinton will make on campaign but also the looney statements she has made over the past year. The repubs need to put the clintons on the defense from the get go and find ways to really incur the missus clinton's ire. When angry she becomes very unpredictable and the repubs need to keep her out of any comfort zone

Robert,
let me ask you something. For a guy whose done everything, been everywhere, and supposedly has a background that Bull Simons would be envious of, how proud do you feel when you are able to use the intended perjorative 'Shrub'? It's really not unique, no longer cute, certainly not impressive, and I do wish Molly Ivins had taken it with her. But, is this one of those things that makes you feel really, really good when you walk away from the computer (if you ever do, that is)? Inquiring minds want to know.

ALL: We more or less came to the

conclusion (on Hawkins' column) that we need to IGNORE roberto.... This is my post from that column.

I'm all for rolling over ... oops, I mean scrolling over roberto...er ... I mean his posts FROM NOW ON!!!!

In fact, I think we'd ALL be MUCH BETTER OFF if we just scrolled over the twit's posts and totally ignored him.....

We all know he's a Walter Mitty... Rocket J. Squirrl, etc., etc., but there is no sense feeding the troll.

He's in insult to every Conservative ... Republican ... American ... Soldier and we need to ignore him.

And for those of us who have been having fun toying with roberto (and it has been fun) ... well... we'll just have to find something else to get our grins and giggles from.

I suggest the paulists! :-) They're always good for a laugh.

But from now on... roberto is non-existent!!!!







Anne
You would THINK that the poster formerly known as Robert would spare a few bucks from mowing lawns and install SpellCheck. I know, I know, he would have to come out of his Lego fort for a while, but it would be worth it in the long run.

anne
in case you missed my posting yesterday. The election is all but over and the repubs can fold their tetns and go home. Courtney Love is saying hindu chants and prayers that will guarantee the missus clinton the elction. With supporters like love how can she lose. But perhaps she thinks that the missus clinton will legalize love's illegal activities. In the new socialist nirvana seattle will become the new Amsterdam

anne and ylg
we are still 1 plus year from the election. I was at the phoenix botanical gardens and new cowboy art exhibit at the art museum today. Did I miss the coronation. This talk of inevitibility sounds like far too many have been looking for their inspiration with the help of distilled spirits

wildwest: hindu chants? Well, there you

go.................

That'll do it, no doubt! Why didn't we think of that last Nov.

Did you check out the link in my 1:29PM post?

New Criminal Charges Greet Hillary on her 60th!

http://kevinmccullough.townhall.com/g/3a909b05-c859-4926-a0 32-893db0eb2c17


In an era...
of water shortages, climate change, the dropping dollar, skyrocketing oil, and ever increasing calls for conservation, Hillary will set the wheels in motion to make 100 million Mexicans American citizens.

Oh, she'll tell us it will only be 12 million, with a few relatives thrown in, but it will turn out to be 38 million (the upper range given by Californians for Population Stabilization) plus three to five relatives per.

The nation will be changed, for the worse, forever.

Well, lord love a duck, Robert,
your response caused several internal circuit breakers to pop. For once I'm speechless. I'd chuckle but I'm getting tired.

Night all.

roberto
if you choose to quote me, use the full quote. I was crediting love not admitting the campaign is over.

Nick in Austin: No doubt you're right,

and then there will be socialized health care, and all the other ideas she has... for us... that we can't afford!




wildwest
I went to a clay festival in Gruene, under beautiful skies, trying to find Chopper John's wife! Although I didn't find her, I, too, had a great day enjoying all the people and beautiful pottery. Next month we will be attending the Lucy exhibit at the Houston Museum of Natural Science.

wildwest; We're boycotting roberto!
.

anne
I will support the boycott 100% from now on. I just didn't want to have him post that I was conceeding defeat. I don't want anybody thinking I have gone soft on the coming election

wildwest: Gottcha! :-)


We figured this is the only way to HOPEFULLY get rid of him...

He clearly craves attention, so if we just don't give him any... AT ALL :-) then maybe he'll tire of being ignored and go someplace else to get his attention...

We can hope! LOL





BUT HERE'S THE THING!!!

We ALL need to be sure to advise the other posters on new threads as they come out.

It may take a few days, but we'll just keep letting them know about the bobbie boycott!

:-)





Esoteric Knowings
A vote for Rudy is a vote for Hillary.Rudy can not win .He only got 1 % of the prolifer's vote.That is more than 25 % of the base.Do the math .Prolifers voted for Carter a Dem. on this issue, a qaurter of the gop swung over like Tarzan after Jane...... FILM AT 11:00

Being wrong vs the truth THINK
have some thing to talk about .# 1 The New Yorker article this week by Ryan Lizza "The Mission" Ryan states that a member of the NAACP acts that way because of... DNA ...What if we changed the words and put in Jews,Women ,Blacks,Catholics ,or you Choose a word.Well the member is a woman like Ann Romney a mormon.Can you spot a bigot or an uncaring liar maybe with a purpose?

the king liberal has no clothes
Be careful who you listen to Dick wants Bill to win his next book is "Bill in FIRST PERSON" .$10 million in the bank .The Clintons make Dick his income . Rudy can not win 25 % of the base are PROLIFERS do the math. READ ABOVE. IS ANY BODY THAT IS NOT A neocoM or a COLLECTIVIST listening?

Ahhh, King lib..That's what the scroll

wheel is for... :-)

Most of us don't read most of his posts anyway, so this won't be that big a deal





Ghost StORY is the 8th comment above
So You are saying that Romney 's 52 % win at the Value Voters Summit and Rudy's 1 % and "Evangelicals for Mitt" blog that is a ground swell or are you a bigot or the shame of yor bigoted parents that has confused you or the mirror in the bedroom that was made in 1984.

KL
Good evening, sir!

For me, it's not so much a boycott. Robert can and is free to express his opinions here, and he does so liberally. I, however, choose to exercise my freedom to ignore him. You, however, do bring interesting points to the debate, and I for one enjoy your posts. Rest assured I would not ignore you!

Still shilling for Bush, I see
I am distressed to see so many other conservatives STILL reflexively leaping to Bush's defense when Democrats denounce Bush.

Folks, you really are falling into their trap here. The Dems know history. They know that every time in the last 130 years, whenever the incumbent President was highly unpopular, the voters tended to punish his party in the next election. The more that conservatives appear to be siding with Bush, the more you are associated with Bush in the eyes of the public, which is exactly what the Dems want.

The next time that a Democrat like "Charles" slams Bush over the war or something, PLEASE LET IT GO. Bush is a lame duck anyway. And the current GOP candidates weren't in the Bush Administration; what should matter at this point is what THEY will do in office, not what Bush HAS done in office. That's how you should respond the next time the Dems start bashing Bush. They are provoking conservatives and Republicans into standing with Bush as his approval ratings go down the toilet. That's political suicide.


Mr.Morris

Seriously,

Were you rebuffed by Hillary after making a pass at her? What's the matter, jealous of her charismatic (yet morally bankrupt) husband? Would they not invite you to a chubbie girl big ankle convention at the White House? Or are you simply an opportunistic shill looking to make a quick buck?

Please do us all a favor and take your Hillary scare mongering somewhere where people are a lot less informed (Red State perhaps?). We know all about what she stands for and where she will lead the country (the place way the current repubes are).Or better yet, if you are so anti-Hillary, and have the cojones to do it, then write an article about how Hillary and her goons murdered Vince Foster.
In other words put up or shut up.

I appologize if I went over the top a bit but I just can't stand you anymore. Go away or write something relevant. You seem to recycle more useless crap than a patchouli stinking hippie.

By the way, your ilk, those who betray the trust of others for personal gain are the lowest form of life on the planet. Not unlike the scum who ratted out their Jewish neighbors during WW2.

And shame on you Townhall for publishing this garbage.

I'd rather read about how Duncan Hunter wants to protect us from the vile clutches of Gamblor.
Or whatever other free enterprize that Fascist feels we can't handle without his benevelent guidance.









for King Liberal
King Liberal writes: "All of you who take Dick seriously need to have your heads examined."

I'm not a fan of Morris. But NOT for the reason you stated.

Dick Morris' predictions about politics have too often turned out to be way off base. I don't think he's been right about anything that isn't already obvious to everyone else, not even once.

But Wildwest,
wildwest writes: Saturday, October, 27, 2007 9:56 PM
roberto
if you choose to quote me, use the full quote. I was crediting love not admitting the campaign is over.



The DUMBOCRAPS and libs like Robert ALWAYS quote people out of context. It's the only way they can make it look like you said something you really didn't, or didn't say something that you really did.
You know what I mean. The best example is the Rush smear.

king Lib: I honestly don't recall...

But thank you! :-) How good of you to make that apology. You just got bumped up about seven notches... :-)

Thanks again.





KL
As my teenage niece would say:

Dude, you rock!

It is true that sometimes emotions get the best of us. I just sit back after a particularly nasty person posts to me, and ask myself:

" Should I calmly state my side to this person, or cry 'HAVOK', and let slip the dogs of war?!?!"

The calm side always wins, with a little help from Jesus, and a little help from chocolate.

Sadly, I must turn in. My back is demanding a rub from my hubby....

Goodnight, everyone!!

Well, Robert,
Sorry to disappoint you, but I wouldn't implode, because as I pointed out before, when Hillary talks about taxing the wealthy, she means taxing people who are trying to become wealthy. People who have already made some money can always avoid the worst taxes.

I assume you are a lot younger than I am, and that you are employed. When Hillary promises you something for free, what you will actually get is the bill.

If Hillary is ever elected I'm sure you will be proud, Robert, be be working and paying outrageous taxes to pay for my healthcare, even though I don't need it and don't want anyone else paying for me.

Hockey Mom
I was just on my way to bed, when I told myself, "Gee, I wonder what new columns are up!" My hubby is still online gaming, so, while I wait for him, I was going to scroll to see if KL got my message...

...AND BURST OUT LAUGHING!!!!

I read that post. If I recall, it was the poster formerly known as Robert. We are going to ignore him, BTW. He contributes nothing to the debate, unlike KL and sophie.

And Neil Peart is GORGEOUS!!

Stan dont know if you've met
Robert before but let me introduce you to him.

Robert is a "Naval Aviator,rank Capt."
Robert is able to disarm a knife wielding madman,leaving said assailent with one broken nose and a very sore weapon arm, becouse Robert as a Navy Capt. has had more hand to hand combat training then your average large city officer or state trooper.
Robert "Naval aviator, rank Capt." is one of the people holding the halp me jon carry sign in the now famous photo........uhhhhhhhh.....but not of course the one you're thinking about.
Robert "Naval aviator, rank Capt." until informed of the inconsistency of rank and duty claimed to be flying regular combat patrols.

His claims are numerous, his manners not so much.
Shortly he'll be mocking me as uneducated, lifeless, and mispellin weak looser.

Good luck.

P.S. I'll not be responding to Robert as consensous around here is to ignore the "Naval Aviator and as you can see I am not the best writer and I will never claim to have a whole lot of education. But in the arena of ideas and persuasion this villiage idiot gives Robert"Naval Aviator, rank Capt. an F

Doug:
He seems to have more time and internet access than most navy fliers doing regular combat patrols... One of my younger relatives is an F-18 pilot currently on the Nimitz. I'll have to ask how many Captains they usually have on a carrier. I'm sure they will get a good laugh out of that!

I think my guess about his real job is pretty close.

Hillary Clinton
I would expect significant capital flight from the US if Hillary is elected. Much of the IPO business has already departed because of Sarbanes-Oxley, and more will happpen as taxes are raised, limiting capital formation. At the start of Bill Clinton's presidency there was talk among the policy makers of a law to prevent capital flight. (After the Republicans gained control of Congress there was no point in attempting such legislation.) I would expect that to be a high priority early in a Hillary Presidency. I suspect that many of the rich Democrats like George Soros have already moved their money off-shore. Ted Kennedy has his in Fiji, for example.

Liberals don't mind paying
taxes for worthy programs made me laugh.

Can anyone find even one welfare program that is worth a dime of our tax money?

This country ran pretty well for almost 200 years without this garbage. Liberals have no point of reference, they never went to a school that was drug free or didn't need a cop on the premises. They never came home to a mom waiting with milk and cookies because theirs was off working to support some other persons kids.
They never lived in a world where you weren't subjected to "music" calling women filthy names or glorifying drugs and the murder of police officers and soldiers.

Those of us who are conservatives have been disgusted by what has been wrought in this country over the last 40 + years by so-called progressives and we are tired of paying for it at the same time. Liberals have created a recipient class that will never go away, have stifled the American spirit and will destroy this land just so they can feel good about themselves. Old saying but true, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, get real and grow up, your grandchildren will appreciate it.



qualifications/accomplishments
Can anyone tell us what special qualifications and accomplishments Hillary has to be President of the USA?

Her known occupations:
Private law firm member
Arkansas First Lady
USA First Lady
Carpetbagger Senator from NY
Woman

Accomplishments?

A Change
If we could only change from the Electoral College to popular vote she wouldn't have a chance and we could send her out to pasture where she belongs. The latest Zogby poll of 1900 likely voters showed that 50% of the people would NEVER consider voing for her. AMEN.....

missus clinton, what she do?
further divide an already devisive country. Thanks to the current dims leaders, pelosi and reid and their willing parteners in the senate and house everything is devisive. The dims strive for power and think that with the missus clinton's coronation all will be set right. The real problem is that the missus clinton's agenda will be foisted upon america against a backdrop cheering section led by the msm and funded by soros and his fellow nutcases at moveon and kos. By the time the public wakes up the socialist dims will have done much damage to our fabric of life. That is should the nightmare of another duel clinton presidentcy occur

Beelzebub
I will relish the day that this repugnant,venal grifter is eviscerated thus exposed as the duplicitous,diabolical and morally bankrupt reprobate that she is.I hope the condigned ignominy of this odious shrew is public,painful,and infinite.

Clinton Body Count
For those who continue to believe the Clintons were killing off their rivals take a look at

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

It is also instructive in how the truthers and NAU conspiracy theorists operate. Most people should be smarter than that. Don't believe the hype.

If you don't want Hillary as President debate the issues of the day, not bring up some nebulous stuff like Falwell did.

Eek!
This is far scarier than any of the pre-Halloween horror movies appearing on television these days!

Charles
They would rather have an idiot like Bush in office than an effective leader with a sex drive.

Now that is as dumb a post as I have ever read on TH! Actually, we do not want either or in the WH!
Not an idiot or a criminal! Of which Hitlary is both. She only comes across smart as a criminal can!
P.S. I never thought hitlary had a sex drive because of hubby’s ()val office escapades!

If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com



WHAT WOULD HILLARY DO?

.....Morris ...Just read Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto .....COLOSSUS

Queen Hillary, Princess Nancy
Interesting how super-rich--Bill and Hill, the Kennedys, Kerry, Howard Dean (father is the Dean of Dean Witter), Soros, all the Hollywood and rock multimillionaires, Gates, Jobs, Buffett, J. Rockefeller, H. Kohl, Lautenberg, Corsine, Pelosi, etc., etc., etc.--are almost always staunch Democrats determined to elevate the miserable lives of the poor and underprivileged by taxing the middle class and using those taxes to elevate the poor and underprivileged, creating a single class over which they govern (rule).

Notice how their fortunes always are exempt from the confiscatory taxes? (Teresa Kerry paid 12.7% of her 5.5 million dollar income to the IRS the year before her husband was out bashing "Bush's tax cuts for the rich").

Remind you of anything?

Feudalism maybe?

Socialism is nothing but recycled Feudalism by which a small ruling elite (nobles) rule over a large working class (serfs, peasants) with a tiny, powerless middle class (guilds) as a buffer.







Good morning all
I see we've got a lively discussion going so far, and the usual liberal suspects, as usual are providing nothing useful.
Speaking of useful idiots though, I see the head useful idiot has learned how to cut and paste other peoples thoughts into a post as if he'd thought of them himself.
But we all know it's not really his work because of the complete lack of his usual mistakes in spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

I'd love to get more involved but for now I can't as it's a rare Sunday out here in that they're actually showing a Detroit Lions game on TV out here. That almost never happens.

Finally, Anne, YLG, Doc and all, I see the boycott is paying off. Keep up the good work.

'Be afraid, be very afraid'
When it comes to madam klintoon, all I can think of is that line Geena Davis delivers to that barroom pickup in "The Fly" about Goldblum before he's turned into the man-fly.

Sure, she has 'values' and they all involve her achieving her socialistic, meglamanic goals. No one could patiently endure the degrading relationship she has for all those years without knowing there would be a day of reconning she hopes will come to pass.

There's truly an inherently evil monster in her ready to come forth, one as ugly if not uglier than the man-fly. At least the fly stopped short and preferred death to blind mayhem but there would be no stopping point for madam klintoon.

"No beast so fierce but has some touch of pity but I have none and therefore am no beast"

yy4u
'Socialism is nothing but recycled Feudalism by which a small ruling elite (nobles) rule over a large working class (serfs, peasants) with a tiny, powerless middle class (guilds) as a buffer.'

Actually, it's even worse - serfs were allowed to keep the major portion of their produce, about 2/3rds in return for use of the land and protection. Under socialism, as a peasant, you own nothing. You are coerced to produce in return for maintenance or you are deemed expendable and exterminated.

The career you hope for is to be one of the coercers, and there's no telling when the snake will turn on you.

Stalking horse
Morris worked for Clinton. He is not to be trusted. If he brings up the bogeyman of Hillary, it is to ensure that Republicans vote for Rudy or Romney.

"Romney is the only one that can kick Hillary' *#*."

Then we might as well vote for Hillary, because having Romney in the White House will only be less bad, it won't be good.

Sorry, no Mormons or Quakers in the White House. Nobody endorsed by the Log Cabin Republicans, either.

Either put Hunter / Tancredo in the White House, or have the hell-on-earth you all so richly deserve.

If I thought there was a chance in a billion that we could ever recover from her Presidency, that we would learn the lesson and turn the country back to what it was before the cultural revolution, I'd be campaigning for Clinton.

But we're too stupid, slothful, and liberal. We won't be saved until the word "tolerance" is a capital offense.

jdw is right about Morris
But in this I think he can be trusted but he may be minimizing her potential impact. Forget the War on Terror after 4 years of Billary and a democrat congress we wont have nay money or freedoms left. The will legislate everything. What you can eat, what doctors you can go to, what you can say to your children etc etc. I hope we Americans can get our act together but I dont have a lot of hope. I dont think Rudy would be anywhere as bad as Hillary but a conservative he's not. Conservatives need to pray hard for someone to step up. Right now I'd vote for just about anyone besides Hillary. We need to get behind whoever is nominated to run against her. To think we'd have a country worth having after she's done with us is just wishful thinking. Maybe when we still had a constitution but not now.

women voting for the missus clinton
it has been asserted that women will over-whelmingly support the missus clinton. Feminist types hav e previously sold out their values to support bubba in spite of his life as a serial womanizer and when the missus clinton unleased her attack dogs against the women who dared tell of bubba's boorish behavior, the feminists rallied to defend bubba. But then he did tell them he would guarantee unlimited access to abortions. And the feminists would never turn on radical sister , missus clinton who they know will be fighting for their cause. But women of principle and conscience probably cannot be counted on to fully aid and vote for bubba's missus

Charles' Comments
Charles remarks are prima facie proof that the liberal arguments appeal to the ignorant. Nothing more need be said.

John

Why no Mormons?
jdw writes: Sunday, October, 28, 2007 3:31 PM
Stalking horse
"Sorry, no Mormons or Quakers in the White House. Nobody endorsed by the Log Cabin Republicans, either."


Ok JDW,
I wasn't aware that we were voting for a religious leader next year. I thought we were voting for a President.
Why no Mormons or Quakers? What does ones religion have to do with how they would run the country?
This is the same type of BS that people were saying when the first Roman Catholic, JFK, was elected. He didn't ask Rome how to do his job, he asked people who knew politics for the advice he needed.

YOU, SIR, appear to be a religious bigot.

tax the rich, feed the poor, till there
are rich no more... alvin lee (ten years after)
liberal=progressive=socialist.
what i can't understand is why hRc isn't laughed off the stage.
are lib/pro/soc that gullible, oh thats right, they hate americans who have kept the poor/black/illegal immigrant man down.sheesh!
which means they hate themselves because they are and have been keeping the poor/black/illegal man down. i can feed you for a day or i can teach you how to feed yourself for life, which would you prefer lib/pro/soc, stupid ? right!

Jimmy James
What does it feel like to be living in 1980?

Robert:
I was responding to one of your earlier comments. Really, you should try to focus. Then you might be able to make sense of the world around you.

Morris
takes time out from sucking the toes of wh---s long enough to write every single column about Clinton. This is no more than a cynical attempt to put Giuliani into office - except that it seems he can't find anything positive to say about Giuliani - so he does what most columnists of TH do - bash, condemn, complain, and try to strike fear into the hearts of those who are too dumb to see what is going on.

Anybody with an IQ over 100 is insulted by these columns - you know who you are.


Why no Mormons or Quakers
Or Amish, for that matter.

"Ok JDW,
I wasn't aware that we were voting for a religious leader next year. I thought we were voting for a President.
Why no Mormons or Quakers? What does ones religion have to do with how they would run the country?"

I am opposed to any devout member of any religious or philosophical group who oppose the use of military force by the U.S.

I won't support Ron Paul for the same reasons.

And yes, I'm a religious bigot. I hate moslems.



WONDERFUL!
In answer to touj's question:

"What does it feel like to be living in 1980?"

it must feel wonderful, to know that you're in the last year of the Carter depression, and that you're heading into the glorious 1980s when President Reagan breathed life back into America, with the hope that, maybe through desperate measures, the debacle of Bush and Clinton might still be avoided.

It's a long,long way till November
I guarantee that she will shoot herself in the rhymes with what well before the general election
The skeletons in the Clinton closet will come alive!

Then you don't know about LDS
jdw writes: Sunday, October, 28, 2007 9:47 PM
Why no Mormons or Quakers
Or Amish, for that matter.

"I am opposed to any devout member of any religious or philosophical group who oppose the use of military force by the U.S."



I'm guessing that by that statement youi are saying that we are opposed to the use of military force.
If my guess is correct then you know nothing of the LDS stance on the use of military force(or much else about our church for that matter) as we, as a church, are NOT opposed to it.
Indeed, many of our members, including my nephew are currently serving in our armed forces. If the policy of our church was against the use of military force then, they would not be in the military.

I also want to point out that Richard Nixon was a Quaker, and he was not opposed to the us of military force when necessary, as I believe neither was/is his religion. But I am not an expert on their religion so I will not say this is an absolute fact.

Katy, You're right about that
But then if the MSM wasn't blindly supporting her by keeping thigs like this hideen, the rest of America could see her for the criminal and fraudulent liar she is.

http://kevinmccullough.townhall.com/g/3a909b05-c859-4926-a0 32-893db0eb2c17

Oh yeah ...
I just love Dick Morris. He's had the inside track and the inside scoop on Hellory for years. I just thank heaven he's got the chutzpah to expose that witch for what she is!

The trouble with the liberal left is that they rely on what they "feel"; and the conservatives rely on what they "think"! (Just my cute little way of saying conservatives think, while liberals don't know the meaning of the word.)

Bwahahahahahahaha

Morris certainly has made a career
out of the Clintons. First he was instrumental in getting them from Hooterville to DC(more hooters to bespoil). Now he is obsessed with keeping them away.

The left hailed Morris as a genius for the former. Now they roundly condemn him for exposing the inner secrets of the dopes from Hope. Is this not indicative of the left's 'win at all costs' strategy?

And while I Morris a little too strident, he knows more about the Clintons than they care to have revealed. Let us not forget that he has a vested interest in keeping them out of power, judging by the trail of headstones that follows these two.

Possible Hillary Tax Increases
I get weary of being called greedy and selfish because I balk at paying more taxes. I have no problem with paying a fair share. Of course the dilemna comes in when you try to define fair share. Like most Americans I will not likely get rich although it is nice to have the option to try. All I want is enough to live on, pay my bills, help my kids go to college and put some aside to retire on. From the sound of it though some of the tax policy that may come if Hillary is elected will probably make it more difficult for me to do any of the above. You liberals need to stop automatically pegging us conservatives as evil just because we too want our fair share of the American dream.

CLINTONS -AMERICA
CLINTONS ARE BAD.
WE NEED AN AMENDMENT FOR GOD: PRAYER, BIBLE, CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES...., MARRIAGE.
M HUCKABEE FOR PRESIDENT; A GOOD CHRISTIAN, LEADERS OF GOVERNORS, MUSCIAN, HEALTHY AND BRING HEALTH, A MAN OF GOD FOR THIS TIME. wayne

Hillary Klinton
1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party. (ie Liberals)



Sounds about right for her and her plans for our great country.

for the libs, the above is the definition of Communism, as you only wear it on your t-shirts never knowing what it actually means.

HILLARY WILL ESTABLISH SOCIALISM PLUS
READ VERY CAREFULLY!!!!!!!YOU LIFE MAY DEPEND ON KNOWING!!
Who said this? Josef Stalin? Karl Marx? Fidel Castro?
(1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
(2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few, and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."
(3) "(We) can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."
(4) "We have to build a political consensus, and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground."
(5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."
(6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy - that they are being watched."
(7) "American's have too many freedoms".

Now you might think these were the famous words of the Father of communism, Karl Marx.
And you would be on the right track in thinking so. But you would be wrong.
These pearls of socialist/Marxist wisdom are from non other than our very own, home-grown Marxist...
Hillary Clinton!
Comments made on:
(1) 6/29/04
(2) 5/29/07
(3) 6/4/07
(4) 6/4/07
(5) 6/4/07
(6) 9/2/05
Be concerned, Be very concerned!! She want to rule the world and have child Bill run the UN.
IS THAT SCARY??????? she has no soul. BE VERY CAREFULL...... SHE HAS ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT SHE WILL RUN YOU & YOUR LIFE STYLE. IF THAT DOES NOT SCARE YOU, (TO LOSE ALL OF YOUR FREEDOMS) THEN I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WOULD.

Hillary Uncensored Part 1 and 2


WOW this looks bad for Hillary!

WATCH VIDEO


http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/hillary-uncensored -part-1-and-2

The US has to end someday . . .
maybe Hil will be the one to bring it about.

heluva deal.

Hillary nomination a great thing
If Hillary is nominated it could be the best thing that could possibly happen to the Republican party.

It will unite us and bring out the vote. Nothing on the planet will wake up the Republican voters better than her.

Might even create a coat-tail landslide and win back the Congress as well.

I'm all for a Hillary run.

If Hilliary is the answer...
...then it must have been a really, really stupid question.

She represents the very worst of modern society, the elites, the leeches, and other members of the granola groups (fruits, nuts and flakes).

ROBERT

To be honest, I am really fed up with your ilk, nothing you ever say really makes sense. I will never understand why you left wing nuts always try to pick a fight, get underneath ones' skin, then when someone comes after you, you spill your left wing hatred behind an anonymous keyboard. Finally, the internet gave you a voice, a voice that was never heard as an adolescent....for example, your question of "what has Bush's tax cuts done?" Try an unemployment rate of below 5%, and WOW, your Democratic party raised the minimum wage... I have an idea on how to raise wages, GET A SKILL, why should I have to pay for someone who refuses to do so and needs the gov't as a crutch....forgive me if I don't respond much, I have a job which requires my college degree.

Oh and Robert...
Before you go and judge me, I am young, played college baseball, and probably stuffed your alter ego in a locker in high school. Call it my idea of silencing your free speech.....

Oh and before you call me a "ChickenHawk," and before you tell me to enlist, and before you think you know more about the military than I do, I have a grandfather who came over legally from Mexico who is a retired Marine Drill Sgt and broke his back in Korea, a father who served proudly in the Army with General Ricardo Sanchez (you might know him from Abu Ghraib), two brothers who served in the Navy...I chose college baseball and chose to work for a military company upon graduation. Oh, and this may come as a shock, I have longer hair and I play guitar. My point is, you think you are smart, but to be honest, you are really an idiot, and I am willing to be you have a hard time getting dates, as much as you post......

Hispanic Conservative
Here, here!

Cheers
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