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Thursday, February 12, 2009
Diana West :: Townhall.com Columnist
Who Attacked Our Economy? Why Does No One Care?
by Diana West
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I want you to read something. It's a snatch of transcript from a Jan. 27 C-SPAN interview with Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., that has received zero coverage in what we think of as the mainstream media.

To set the C-SPAN scene, Kanjorski is harkening back to the middle of last September, when, as it happens, John McCain was enjoying his brief lead in the presidential polls and the economy as we knew it was imploding. Here's what Kanjorski said:

"I was there when the Secretary (of the Treasury Hank Paulson) and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve (Ben Bernanke) came those days and talked to members of Congress about what was going on. It was about Sept. 15. Here's the facts, we don't even talk about these things.

"On Thursday at about 11 o'clock in the morning, the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States to the tune of $550 billion, as being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two.

"The Treasury opened up its window to help. It pumped $105 billion into the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn't be further panic out there, and that's what actually happened."

Kanjorksi continued:

"If they had not done that, their estimation was that by 2 o'clock that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, would have collapsed the entire economy system of the United States and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.

"Now we talked at that time about what would happen if that happened. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it. And that's why when they made the point we've got to do things quickly, we did."

These are staggering revelations. (Watch them yourself here.) Given their sudden appearance out of the blue, you have to wonder, first, could they possibly be true? If so, why weren't we the people told about this $550 billion electronic run on the banks? And why haven't we heard a word of it since? Even since Kanjorski spoke on C-SPAN last month, there has been scant MSM coverage. The story's biggest exposure came when Rush Limbaugh played the audio and analyzed it on the air this week. Otherwise, the story has been little more than blogfodder, appearing at places such as Politico.com and the Economist blog with little comment. Writing at Portfolio.com this week, Felix Salmon quite decisively dismissed the whole story as "fiction."

Is it? If what Kanjorski says is "fiction," Americans, particularly Americans in Kanjorski's 11th district of Pennsylvania, need to know. After all, this isn't a story that just goes away on its own, particularly not when Paul Kanjorski is chairman of the Capital Markets Subcommittee of the House Financial Services Committee. Of course, incredible as Kanjorski's revelations were, almost equally incredible was the interviewer's failure to ask the next obvious question of national interest: Who or what was responsible for that electronic run on the banks "to the tune of $550 billion"?

That's where Limbaugh went with the story. "Now, let's assume for a second here that elements of this are true," Limbaugh said of Kanjorski's statement. "Let's assume that there was a $550 billion ... electronic run on the banks and money market accounts in one to two hours. The question is who was doing this? Who was withdrawing all this money? And the next question is why? That's where my mind starts exploding, and this is dangerous to have these explosions going this way. Could it have been George Soros? Could it have been a consortium of countries -- Russia, China, Venezuela -- countries that are eager to have Barack Obama elected because they know that will make it easier for them to continue their own foreign policies in the world?"

I've heard serious people float similar theories regarding financial attacks on our economy emanating from the Middle East, but again, who knows?

One thing we do know is that former President Bush made extremely cryptic public statements regarding the stability of our markets at this time in question last September, statements noted by Accuracy in Media's Cliff Kincaid. These began with a Sept. 18 Bush announcement that the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) was stepping up its enforcement action "against illegal market manipulation." As Kincaid wondered, manipulation "by whom or what? The President didn't say." On Sept. 19, President Bush further announced that the SEC had "launched rigorous enforcement actions to detect fraud and manipulation in the market. Anyone engaging in illegal financial transactions will be caught and persecuted (sic -- good ol' W.)." Again, what was Bush talking about?

On that same day, Kincaid reports, "the SEC announced a `sweeping expansion of its ongoing investigation into possible market manipulation in the securities of certain financial institutions.'" Why? What was going on? If ever there was a vital, compelling reason for congressional hearings, Kanjorski's "electronic run on the banks" story is it.

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OBVIOUS::: SOROS !

SOROS and his 1 thousand companies and organizations:

JUST like he shorted the market right before 9 /11

ALL ROADS lead back to SOROS !

NO ONE "TOLD" the story !

Not one member of the main stream media, even after they had full details told the citizens !

They were desperate Sept. 16th because Obama was losing and they needed to make sure he would win:

the communist media, communist leaders Pelosi: REID knew all about it:

It sure was timely
I suspected this was engineered all the time. Only I think it was generated by the World Bank and an attempt to push for the New World Order.
Crazy as it sounds, it does seem to be leading in that direction now doesn't it? I don't think it was or is an accident.

I normally reject conspiracy theories,
but this one is so implausible it just might be true. A member of our church, who is a commodities broker sent me this video link yesterday. It's either a complete fabrication on the part of the banking industry to justify their bailout or it's true and we didn't hear about it so that widespread panic would be avoided.

I always thought the timing of the economic meltdown was just too convenient, happening right before an election which was closer than liberals like to admit. Poof the economy melts down and the Republican candidate no longer has a chance!

B2slim
I agree with you. It was just too convenient that all this happened when it did and that although we were probably in a slight recession at the time which would have been normal after a certain amount of good years this thing crashed just too fast. Timing was everything for the Dems and they had a lot of people behind them who wanted to see socialism in this country. Soros is of course a big supporter of this. The war which had been helping the Dems had started to turn around and was no longer enough to get them elected. People stopped focusing on that so something big had to be done to get the Dems back on top. I am afraid that perhaps they took this thing too far and we are in for really tough times. This stimulus will certainly not do much to help our economy but it will get us closer and closer to socialism. The problem is even if the Republicans can get back in in 4 years there will be so much damage that it will take a long time to get back to where we were just one year ago.

September Surprise
Clearly "something" fishy was going. It was just too convenient; not to mention the fact that Obama didn't seem phased one bit by the "crisis." While McCain was suspending his campaign (which he was ridiculed for), Obama was relaxed and cool-he said something to the effect that if he is needed he'd return to Washington. And naturally, the Left-stream Media anti-war yellow bellies called Obama's cool collected non-action "presidential" in the face of fear.

But here's the reason why a conspiracy of this magnitude is reasonable: the Democrats are lying, cheating, stealing, bribing scumbags who will stop at absolutely NOTHING to steal elections and stuff ballot boxes. Obama already had his personal voter fraud brigade on the ground attacking the polls (that's the ACORN Pinkos) And I'm sure George 'Comrade' Soros would love to see the United States fall into utter chaos and bankruptcy. I'd suggest we start the investigations with that Communist scumbag-and whether he's guilty or not feed him to the sharks. (and while we're at it, include Michael Moore, Barbara Streisand, Matt Damon, Sean 'Hugo Chavez' Penn--heck, just throw the whole Hollywood lot overboard. "Good riddance" right Michael Moore you worthless anti-American scuzball. Hey Michael, HOW did you make YOUR fortune pal? Capitalism wasn't it? You Communist-loving hypocrite Leftist puke.)

Video link
Andrea can you share that link?

Market Manipulation
Not China - they don't stand to profit from US economic problems. Same, I think, with Russia. Probably Soros, who is a backer of the Obamanation, socialism, and the fall of the US as a capitalist country. I smell a rat and I think it was a Demo-rat.

MSM strikes again
the reason no one cares is because no one knows about it because the MSM obviously doesn't think it's important for Americans to know about. They relish keeping us uninformed.

Too bad there's no Woodward or Bernstein type reporters anymore.

A Conspiracy?
Link to a video of Rep. Paul Kanjorski revelation of the run. It's a very interesting video.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca2_1234032281

If you want to know more about Barack Obama, his allies, and his background read my compilation - 'A Vet Looks at Barack Obama' on http://BillLong.BlogTownhall.com.



Gosh, Kyle
One of these days when you have time, tell us what you REALLY think of dhimmicrats.....

Thanx for writing all of those qualifiers - saves me from having to do it.

My bet is Soros and his kool-aid drinking drones. His ultimate reason for breathing is to destroy the USA.

Hint for Obama-tons; someone who is honest and has integrity doesn't have to announce that he IS NOT A CROOK (Nixon, Clinton, Blogovich). Also watch out for those proclaiming to be the most ethical administration in History (Clinton) and the "most" transparent (B. Hussein Obambi).

So far, Lord Obama's White House is about as organized as a train wreck and so murky, you could see better from inside a cow.

Even my co-workers from south of the border are saying things to me like, "This is really going to be bad, isn't it?" And "If I wanted to live in a country run by criminals, I would have stayed in Mexico."

Thank God, Sen. Craig bowed out of the Commerce job, perfectly timing it to highlight his protest over the WH's naked power grab and illegal snagging of the census.

Welcome to Chicago Style Politics with San Francisco values.

BOHICA, everyone....

MARKET MANIPULATORS
"If what Kanjorski says is "fiction," Americans, particularly Americans in Paul Kanjorski's 11th district of Pennsylvania, need to know."

Representative Paul Kanjorski has no reason whatsoever to lie about this financial travesty!

My guess it is the same person who almost destroyed England's financial institutions an the collapse of their economy! That person is none other than villian, George Soros!

He is also responsible (and with the help of
ACORN election frauds) for the election of Barack Hussein Obama in 2008 and other Democrats in the 2006 elections.

When George Soros is through with his minions he will brush them aside and take America where ever he chooses.

If not George Soros the other perp is the ISLAM CONSORTIUM with their blind corporations buying ALL the land and properties in America.

If they can the eventually buy America and it appears we are allowing this to happen!

Country in peril
Who or what has hijacked this country? Obviously, we are no longer in control of our own destiny. There is someone or something that is controlling this nation. Until we know for sure, Soros, China, Russia, etc. are all prime suspects. No one person, group, or country can be excluded. There is so much secrecy. We obviously cannot rely on the media anymore. This is definitely a story that needs to be told to the American people. This is definitely a story that demands investigation. The fact that our country depends on others for money, oil, etc. opens the door to international blackmail and potential sabotage. I am afraid for this country.

Soros, Of Course
but don't forget the Saudis and other Islamists who are in the process of taking over our country.

And when you add this account...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 88439

The story becomes very strange indeed. Obama was being groomed for the Presidency by the Commies. And when it looked as if McCain might pull ahead, hundreds of billions get pulled out of the U.S market?

What is even weirder is that there have been accounts of the Soviets having tried this before - on "Black Monday" in 1987. (I think it was the CIA drama "The Company" that floated this theory.)

DOUGLAS
I fear for the nation also;only a great revival can save this country.For the christian,all you can do is pray.King David got himself in a huge problem one time and the Lord gave him some options to choose from. He choose God's mercy and the Angel of the Lord killed thousands by a plague. Well I don't think our new president has a clue about about God after being under a hate monger like Wright,so it's up to the churches to band together and pray for revival,or I believe we are on tap for some real judgement.

I care, but...
I don't have any reason to believe that it was anything other than a credit crunch. The same thing happened a year before, in August of 2007. Companies were switching over to mark-to-market in advance of the deadline and were taking tremendous writes-down. Massive writes-down cause credit crunches, which induce sell-offs and liquidations.

These redemptions were probably driven by electronic trading programs and were probably automatically triggered to sell based on certain market conditions. The market runs on electrons now. I think that explains it quite adequately. If there were any big block sales, I am pretty sure they are supposed to be disclosed to the SEC. All countries were negatively affected by this. If there was something suspicious about the identity of the redeemers, I haven't heard it.

No, the mark-to-market rule precipitated this.

I don't think anyone is smart and rich enough to deliberately accomplish something like this, but I don't doubt for a moment that once it happened, all the statists were dedicated to grandstanding, not understanding, and were determined not to let a crisis go to waste.

Jason at 6:57 pm
Sorry to take so long to get back to you. Here it is:

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/genemueller/39421372.html?blog =y

The Commies did it !

I understand that republicans refuse to accept responsibility for anything, in particular the fact that their policies have destroyed the world's economy.

And I can understand why they would want to blame it on someone else.

But this is simply paranoid nonsense.

The academic nonsense of Dr. Douglas
Republicans destroyed the world economy?

How is that Dr. Douglas ? As I see it the degreed people who run business, and who have been capitalistic bandits, are the ones mainly responsible. They had the financial knowledge and did the misdeeds, not any particular party.

Guess what Dr. Douglss? Overwhelmingly those people are left wing Democrats. Educated in an institue of higher learning by people like you.

Tell me Dr. Douglas, is Bernie Madoff a Democrat?

Academics like you Dr. Douglas have your hands dirty in this mess. As usual you abdicate any responsibility. Just like a typical academic.

More on Dr. Douglas non sense
Even with a PHd any lay person can see how ignorant the educated can be.

As in the case of Dr. Douglas on economic reality, he knows less than most any freshmen student.

Dr. Douglas is a fine example of someone who has been educated but has learned little or nothing. Career academics tend to be parasites because of their inability to make it in the real world or work and competition.

This is a classic example.

How did the republicans do it?
Here are a few of the republican policies (as opposed to those parasitic academics like me) that have caused this financial disaster.

1. Tax breaks from Reagan to Bush were not stimulative. They greatly increased the difference between the rich and poor, such that today the top 1% owns 20% of the nation's wealth.

2. Unnecessary military spending, from Reagan to Bush, wasted tax dollars that could have been put to more constructive purposes.

3. Deregulation from Reagan to Bush opened the door to more greedy and risky financial ventures, resulting in the most recent meltdown (e.g., repeal of Glass-Steagall Act pushed by Gramm).

4. Lack of oversight, another republican speciality, allowed crooks such as Madoff to proliferate (e.g., Cox and the SEC).

5. The general republican philosophy of "greed is good" and "taxes are bad" undermined the fiscal responsibility of our nation.


Anderson659

When you refer to academics as "parasites" are you suggesting that they be eliminated (killed)?

Whatever happened
We deserve the truth.

It will be easy to follow the paper trail (even if it is electonic). Where is the FBI ?

Let the chips fall where they may on whoever is at fault.....lets rumble!

Enough speculation about what has happened and what should be done....THIS IS NOT PARTISAN

The future is at stake for all of us, let's get the facts before we proceed.

Great Article Ms. West.............
best I've read in a while.....and Happy Valentine's day to you.

What did happen?
This has been on my mind since it happened. It was a clear and obvious action to destabilize the election and defeated John McCain as well as make possible the present power grav and move to socialism. My bet was George Soros as he may have done the same to other economies. It was clear that Pres. Bush was very concerned for an immediate run on the banks. Why haven't we heard anything?

Take a look at China.
Manipulation of that amount of money would have to be done by a nation or nations. Or, considering Bush's words, maybe it was a cyber attack. Since China has been engaging in cyberwar against the U.S. for some time, it would again be a prime candidate. If they were behind the attack, at leat we can be happy that it backfired against their own economy in a big way.
The Chinese have always believed that the best way to win a war is not to fight it. If they could bring us to our knees by economic warefare, we would surrender as we lack the will to fight.
A few years before 9/11 a couple od Chinese officers wrote a book on how America could be defeated by asymetric warfare. In their book, the speculate that America, despite it's military might, could not respond to a bombing by Bin Laden. Since 9/11 Chinese arms have found their way into Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan, where they have been used to kill American soldiers.
The Chinese have damaged our satellites by attacking them with lasers.
Chinese government officials have been identified as the source of surface to air missles shipped to American terrorists for use against civilian airliners in a sting operation.
We need to respond to these acts of war before China puts us in a situation where we decide surrender is preferable to defending ourselves.

Dr Douglass
Don't rewrite history. I was there and lived through it. Your attempt at revisionism is a disguised and despicable attempt to sway those too young to remember and too lazy to check the facts for themselves. If you want a bunch of mindless automotons to rule when you get your little fiefdom in the new world order, have your jollies thinking about it. I will not be one of them.

good try Douglas
The academic nonsense of Dr. Douglas
Republicans destroyed the world economy?

How is that Dr. Douglas ? As I see it the degreed people who run business, and who have been capitalistic bandits, are the ones mainly responsible. They had the financial knowledge and did the misdeeds, not any particular party.

Yeah...it was the Repubs who orchestrated this mess...and the dimwit dems (Barney Frank, Chris Dodds) who pushed the buttons to tip it over the edge


a bit late to ask this, isn't it?
I've been saying "Follow the money" since September. I firmly believe that Soros will be found to be at the center of this problem, just as he was in England's currency collapse.

financial crisis
I have thought for a long time that the financial crisis was manipulated. Why isn't it being investigated? Because it accomplished its goal: the election of Barak Obama. The end justifies the means. We are fighting an enemy who has no principles.

More Than Meets The Eye

Clearly the building blocks for this disaster have been in place for more than a decade. Bin Laden was trying to effect this outcome with the 9/11 attacks. What is particularly troubling about the events of 2008 is the synchronization with the electoral process. Trading in ABX options on CDOs, and the coordinated attack on key players in the CDO business seem to indicate an overall design. Anyone who scoffs at this should look at the 1993 crash of the Pound Sterling and its concomitant impact upon British politics.

Dr. Douglas & nonsense
Just showing up with my regular reminder that Oregon State University, the institution of Dr. Douglas, hires teaching assistants, negotiates with TAs in a collective bargaining unit, and has a special award for excellence in teaching by TAs.

This is only important because Dr. Douglas once posted that his university was too poor to hire TAs, and then went ballistic when I called him on it.

SO, whenever Dr. D calls something nonsense, consider the source.

Academics
I've got a question for all of you educated academic haters out there. If you have a tumor on your brain, would you rather have a Harvard educated neurologist do your surgery or are you looking for a graduate of Bubba's night school of auto mechanics and neurology?

What has happened to the Republican party that it abhors educated persons and idolizes the "common man" e.g. Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin? One of the things that has made our country great is our educational system. The entire world admires our system of higher education and academic research.

Perhaps it's because education past high school correlates with higher membership in the Democratic party. I know many will scream about leftist professors but the real reason why college grads tend to be more liberal is that they are forced by their education to critically analyze their opinions. This analysis leads them away from the current brand of conservatism.

Asking the wrong question
I remember that time. The Fed announced that there was an electronic run on the MM funds, which is why they hastily guaranteed the base dollar value of ALL money market funds (not just to 250K). It was precipitated by the Lehman Bros collapse, which "broke the buck" on many MM Funds, since most funds had Lehman bonds. The Fed announcement at the time talked of $200 billion outflow in a very short time, but there weren't a lot of details, and the outflow could have been more. It could have been a mass run on something that was believed to be safe, but wasn't. Large actors, such as Soros, or soverigns, might have withdrawn money also, but so what. They were entitled to preserve what was left of their money, just like everyone else. Bears were involved in the financial manipulation that was driving financial cos into bankruptcy. Essentially they would short the common, buy CDS, and then as CDS value rose, the credit ratings would be lowered, and the stock would be driven down further. If you want to ask who was responsible for the events taking place at that time, 2 mos before an election, ask who decided to allow Lehman to fail - instead of doing a bear Sterns? Rumor (on Cramer's show) is that it was Geithner (D), then the president of the NY Fed. So, does Obama owe Geithner for winning the election? Is that why his nomination had to be confirmed despite any tax issues? Inquiring minds want to know.

actually...Neil
Sarah Palin and Joe the plumber are educated people. The fact that they are not your kind of educated people speaks more about you than it does about them. As for the topic at hand which was, I believe, who attacked our financial structure at a most opportune time during the latter stages of the presidential campaign; one might conclude that it was not the failed policies of one party or the other. Perhaps it might have been and still is the work of people who will gain mightly from our loss. Get those Harvard folks on the case, and tell them not to use Turbo Tax.

Neil are you blind or just obtuse?
The financial wizards that brought ruin upon the world economy are all graduates from America's top schools (Rubin, Fuld, Raines, etc). As is George W Bush. These so-called well-educated people have failed us over and over in almost every part of our society.
Who do you think is running the government, the banks, and the major US corporations? Of course it's people from Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc.
After viewing one tax cheat after another being offered for cabinet positions, one wonders if our glorious beacons of higher learning have discontinued ethics courses altogether!
Yet here you are CONTINUING to praise our educational system when the products of these institutions, our "best and brightest", have brought ruin to our economy, our neighborhoods, and our national character.
On the other hand, dropouts like Bill Gates make billions and THEN GO ON TO PHILANTHROPIC endeavors.
How can you fail to see this?
Neil, YOU are part of the problem.

Neil
Perhaps before you post and admonish others you should make sure you are posting correctly. A neurologist is not qualified nor would they be able to operate on a brain tumor. A brain tumor would require a neurosurgeon. Neurosurgery is a specialty. A neurosurgeon spends many years in a residency program before they may be considered competent enough to do surgery for a brain tumor. The best and brightest don't always come from Harvard.

Neil
Before you post and admonish others you should perhaps get your facts straight. First of all a neurologist would never be operating on a brain tumor. Neurologists are not trained nor are the qualified to do such surgery. Neurosurgeons are the ones that would handle that task. They require many years of neurosurgical training and most today specialize in certain areas of neurosurgery. Oh by the way the best and brightest are not always from Harvard.

War on a Different Plane
If one cannot beat one face to face..then weaken your opponent on many levels, then take the fight up again. Connect the dots people..this is a real orchestrated War on US!!!

1) weaken the economy..attack the credit system
2) flood the country with illegals, weakening the health care system and other systems...
3) remove from power, by manipulation any one who does not support Sharia Law...install the Fairness doctrine or a form of it...
4) Manipulate the money markets
5) Allow Libtards to control the government
6) Place a radical in power
7) Misdirect attention as often as possible
8) manipulate the crisis's whenever necessary

Does any of this SOUND FAMILIAR??? And scary?

There is a difference . . .
between being "educated" and "indoctrinated". It would appear that most "institutions of higher learning" lean "left" and discourage their "students" from thinking for themselves. Look at what happens if a student turns in a paper that disagrees with the point of view of the "professor". Grades are determined by ideology, not substance. The "dumbing down" has a purpose. Those who will not think for themselves have been smitten by the "cult of personality". Anyone who thinks that the "cult of personality only exists in communist states (like North Korea) is sadly mistaken. It became reality here on November 5, 2008.
Anyone who wants to see what REAL education is like is encouraged to obtain a set of McGuffey Readers. Most "college graduates" would have considerable difficulty with the last three books of the set. They have been in print for over 150 years and are still available.

Very interesting...
The Soros and Geithner threads are very interesting. Attributing the Lehmann failure to Geightner, at least in part, seems plausible.

Soros, at his peak, only had $11B, so he couldn't have done anything by himself. He could have, on the other hand, shorted Lehman like he did the British and Malaysian currencies.

If multiple programmed withdrawals was the root of the problem, then that money had to be transferred somewhere. Don't all transactions > $10K have to be reported by the banks? Surely they weren't all $9,999.99.

Follow the money...

Diana West
If I were to look up the term "Dumb As American" in the dictionary,I would find your picture! You all are "Stupid, that is why the "Rich" play you for "Fools"! On a Friday night in July(08),an investment bank in England asked the ECB(England Central Bank) for a bridge loan. The ECB made a big deal of the fact that the request would be denied. By 8:00 a.m. that Saturday morning the ECB had reversed course. A person that understands World Economics,knows what these type events mean. Americans have no idea where this economy is or where it's going. "A Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste"?

Why Does No One Care?
No one cares because they are lazy and deceitful! If this were not so, then we'd see a stop put to this sham. And going one step further, the big lying sack of --- dictator, Obabba, would never have been put in office if anyone cared about his disloyalties. It is quite clearly unconstitutional to put someone into the highest office of the land who is full of filth! And yet it was done. And it could only have been done because no one cares. And Obabba is continuously getting his power grabs, which lead to dictatorship...because no one cares!

And no one cares because it is uncomfortable to care...

Tchaikovsky
Call your Doctor!!! Please...

AGREED - SOROS

After some research and reading of Soros' books and his opinions that American has too much power, I believe George Soros fingerprints are all over the election Obama and our financial crises. History will show.


Check on him
Kanjorski is one of the Democrats biggest earmark thiefs. The People in NE Pa know this, but keep putting him into office.The other biggest earmark thiefs is John Murtha of Pa, and he calls is followers Rednecks and they voted him back in. Then you Arlen Spector who just sold out America for a visit to the White House for a Super Bowl. Our Gov't is a fricking joke. They steal from the working America to give to the Rich and their friends and family . all you Liberals of America , I hope your Happy being sold out by your Politicans for things that won't benefit any American's. They are taking care of Illegal's and giving out H1 B Visas for foreign workers to take your's and our jobs. Welcome to the Greedy American Politician Way.

PLEASE!
I stopped scanning comments after the first 15 or so. I'm reminded more of the DailyKos crowd (though the language is much less offensive). Maybe Oliver Stone would be a better comparison.

Yes, this needs to be investigated. Yes the MSM likely doesn't want to know about it, besides they have the mother of octuplets in CA to investigate. But the comments seem more like Oliver Stone's thoughts on his various conspiracy theories.

Let's call for thorough investigation, without getting into "conspiracy theory". It might have been, but let's find out first.

Stan
per your 10:25 post: I agree however, I also believe that it is the American Church that's been part of the problem since 1954 when LBJ
added an amendment to at bill without any hearings which effectively muzzled the Church.
They allowed themselves to be muzzled by the IRS, and thus started a long decline in their
historic role as the conscience of the nation.
It's compounded now because so many have fallen
victim of the Purpose Driven theology and haven't a clue about what it means to be
a believer, where is the Cross and Him Crucified in Rick Warren's theology? He had the temerity to pronounce at the inauguration that
Barack 'above my paygrade' Obama was a "good man." and then the next day does a pharoah with
his first Ex Order, dictating the death of millions more babies. The evangelicals, especially the kids that voted for O (Im' willing to bet) are products of this Drucker
model indoctrination marketing theology.

allen
Which means Obama is our enemy.

Didn't I hear Maxine Waters talking about becoming sociali....we are going to take over all of the companies.(yesterday on Hannity)

Rahm mentioned the importance of taking advantage of a crisis.

Didn't I hear Hillary slip about global egalitarianism.

Are these loosers really thinking about a one world government and utopia. How stupid can they get. Soros el stupido.


Furthermore
These Evangelicals in name only and Catholics in name only don't realize it but they have become party to the torture and execution of God's most innocent little ones. No believing Christian would dare vote for this creep.
Even the ones who didn't vote bear some responsibility because they and their leaders began serving two Masters in 1954, showing more fear of the IRS than of God. I may seem harsh but having been active in pro life, and having
been pulled from a church newsletter, a BIBLE
Believing Church, because I wrote about abortion
the leadership responded with fear. Never told me why I figured it out after learning about LbJ's perfidy. Thus his legacy is driving God
from the public square, abortion, homosexual
agenda, loss of a national moral compass to where we have elected the most radical America
hating questionable citizen, Mr Obama and a
Congress drunk with power. The only hope is for the Church to repent as written in 2 Chronicles 7:14 and then and ONLY then will God
heal our land. The unbelievers are what they are, pagans, obama is what he is, a pagan so
the blame falls completely upon the apathetic Church.

Bernie Madoff...
...need we say more.

No one cares...
...if Obama is a legal citizen or that he thinks the US Constitution is unconstitutional..so why shud anyone care about this?

TCHAILSKOSKY - I CARE
I care a lot about what happens to this country and I am made as H*** with what is going on.
I spent 25 years of my life defending this country against foreign and domestic enemies and I'll be D*** if I am willing to stand idly by now and watch this great country become the very thing that millions of men and women have fought against and loose the freedoms we have fought for. Will the past efforts all be in vain?


Who Cares?
The answer is those nation's that have their investment in our country-----seems prudent for them to protect such when they have the opportunity.

Wayne2

killer
I'm ready to start skipping past your posts, which I see often after the various columns. You are factless and brainless.

Your own self-criticism: "A Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste." I'm not sure if it applies to you, though. "Waste," yes;" Mind," I don't think so.

Corrected
I stand corrected about the difference between a neurologist and neurosurgeon. I knew that if I go back far enough, just slipped up on the semantics.

The rest of my post stands!

Edward
Not every conspiracy theory is imagined. This may well be an example of an occurrence contrived by many to elect this obviously leftist president. It's just too perfectly timed to be happenstance.

And yes, it should be investigated. But don't hold your breath. Unless a Republican (or a conservative capitalist) is the suspect, under a Democrat Congress and a Democrat president, no investigation need be launched.

Note the demands for Chris Dodd to step down due to his "sweetheart" loan. Note the demands for Charlie Rangel to step down due to his tax avoidance. Note the easy confirmation of Geithner, despite his "accidental" failure to pay taxes--for years. And how quiet was--and is--the press and the Congress about William "Cold Cash" Jefferson? Nope, only Republican wrongdoers need be punished; Dems with problems are not only forgiven but their misdeeds are ignored.

Nothing will be investigated unless a Republican is the sole offender. Notice how few investigations--other than Bush administration war crimes--are now being called for. I think we can safely conclude that one or more Democrats are to blame for the mess we're in--and ain't no one gonna investigate THAT.

This was predicted, actually
My minor in college was political science and a professor of mine who had been a US diplomat and other things besides a professor suggested in class 25 years ago that one could manipulate a presidential election if one could manipulate the markets at just the right time. At the time, it was sort of like a "fire sale" scenario -- not considered possible, but that was 25 years ago before electronic banking made something like this possible. He noted at that time that it would require a consortium of very wealthy people with a specific agenda and that it would come down to an election where experience and charisma were played against one another.

I mentioned it back when it was going on, that it looked like there'd been some sort of run on the banks, but everybody around me thought it was a conspiracy theory. Of course, I also thought someone was manipulating the oil markets and now we're finding out that might be true as well.

china
i think traitorjim is probably closer to the mark than anyone else. you all are running around like chickens with your heads cut off worrying about a bunch of goat herders being able to take down the us. thats not gonna happen. china is going to be the problem in the years ahead. when i was high school in the 70's a teacher asked us who we thought was the bigger threat. we all raised our hand when he said the soviet union. nobody did when he said china. then he told us it was china because their culture was so different. the chinese don't think in terms of years or even decades. they think in terms of centuries. their culture is thousands of years older than ours. so while you are screaming about the " islamofascists" you better start worrying about the newly free market communists. they even have wal marts now lol.

china part 2
heres some food for thought. was it really an accident that china was flooding the market with cheap childrens toys loaded with lead paint? could there be another reason?

Polly & aururawatcher
Capitalism is like a "Lottery". Only a "Fool" tries to buy the "Pot" without certain assurances. A seven number lottery takes almost $150,000,000.00 dollars to buy the pot. Translation; If the "Rich" wanted to place someone into office via the economy there are certain responses available to the citizens,that could counteract such a move. Of course you know, I can't discuss those with you. This stuff would be funny,if it weren't so sad...

bad news is no news
Too bad Limabah is not a journalist or a reporter. His handling of the story makes it about as illegitament as it can get. But Diane West is a working journalist and I cant help but wonder why her hands stays off the thread of the tainted garment so eagerly pulled by Limabah.

See what I mean.

Who Attacked Our Economy?
Thank you Ms West for bringing this to light! It needs to be followed closely and answers, true answers, must be provided to voters. Just because I'm (we are) paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get me (us).

killer
You are under the mistaken impression that the US economy is like a Las Vegas casino. It's not!

The economy was in trouble for a while. It took a big hit with 9-11; the Bush tax rate cuts and rebates eased the edges on that, but it was bound to drag the economy. Consumers have been spending WAY too much on credit for WAY too long and that was a much larger problem. To cover unsecured consumer debt, people were rolling that debt into their equity -- even BIGGER problem. The government began running huge deficits. I'm from the oil patch, many of us here think the oil futures market was being manipulated (way too complicated to explain here). The shortage of cash liquidity was hurting us.

It doesn't take too much to distabilize a situation like that. People had been primed to expect disaster. The MSM had been insisting we'd been in this horrible recession FOREVER, despite the fact that unemployment rates had been at less than 3% for most of the Bush Administration. The fuel costs were making it seem like money was in tight supply. So, if someone (or more likely a large group of someones) had planned years in advance to manipulate the money markets, right before a critical election would be the best time. The fact that President Bush indicated there was illegal activity involved lends itself to that theory.

Since this was woefully under-reported by the MSM, voters had no reason to stop and think that -- hey, maybe this is all for the benefit of one portion of society and who gets to benefit the most if we all panic and jump on this bandwagon.

Mr. Obama and the Dems are likely recipients of benefits, whether they knew it or not.

And, no, I don't think George Soros all by himself could do this. He probably has friends.

soros
I think we need to be looking at Soros this all played into the dems hands. Who else had the means and the way. Why is this coming to the forefront now after the elections.

No$
She is apparently pursuing it. That's why this article was written.

One of the reporters who broke the Pentagon Papers story was a friend of one of my journalism professors, so came and spoke to us on the subject. At the time, he picked up a telex at the paper that just hinted at some improprieties. All the other reporters thought it was a conspiracy theory. He and a colleague decided to check it out on a slow news cycle and ... the rest is history.

Similarly, the Watergate breakin started out with Woodward and Bernstein covering a burglary. No biggie, one of dozens in the Washington DC area that week, just happened to be at Democratic Party headquarters -- until they dug a little deeper and a confidential source came forward. That ended up unseating a president who had just won reelection in a landslide.

Major investigations often start small and sometimes they start with a commentator like Limbaugh putting together some pieces and a professional like West digging a little deeper.

Holli
It's coming to light AFTER the election in a similar fashion to the Watergate scandal. The break-in at Dem Party HQ was well-in-advance of the election, but eclipsed by the election and the Vietnam War, the campus protests, etc. It was "just" a break-in. And, coverage of it might have stopped there if Bob Woodward weren't such an attention-junkie. They wanted to make a name for themselves and their ambition brought them to a place of covering one of the biggest stories of the 20th Century.

Drawdowns on banks happen all the time, as someone mentioned above. This one appears to have been more substantial to have triggered some red flags. Maybe it was coincidental, but taken in aggregate with Bush's statements about investigating the financial markets and the coincidence of it being right before an election that was going to be decided on the economy -- well ....

Investigative journalism is sort of a passe breed these days, but there are still some reporters who remember how to do it. West may digs a little, somebody else digs a little and who knows where it goes.

Sometimes a break-in at a hotel leads right to the president. Other times ... well, maybe it's just a conspiracy theory. It deserves to be looked at to make sure.

It Can Be A Conspiracy
First, an individual, country or single entity didn't need to "own" $550 billion worth of money market deposit certificates to initiate this gigantic run on the universe of money market funds. What they needed was a method through cooperation of a number of financial intermediaries to initiate electronic withdrawl demands on these money market funds. This is all totally automated and as the withdrawl demands began to accumulate throughout a great number of funds, it took some time for a central authority to note the extent of the impending meltdown.

Due to the automated speed of international financial transactions, an entity can, on one hand demand funds from a money market instrument and before receiving the funds use the funds to purchase another fund and immediately sell that fund. By "laddering" these transactions at the speed of light a financial entity can accelerate $5 billion of initial money market assets, probably by a factor of 10 over a period of 4-5 hours.

The BIG QUESTION - who directed this effort? Who really benefits from the results of this well orchestrated conspiracy, and a conspiracy it certainly is!


Conspiracy, Part 2
Another example of the impact of negative leverage created by the speed of computerized transactions is the current volume of so-called toxic assets on the balance sheets of "banks". If you take the time to analyze even the written down "mark to market" value of mortgage backed paper and derivatives you will arrive at a number that far exceeds the entire mortgaged housing stock in the country, even those accounts NOT in foreclosure. And, I really doubt that the entire stock of housing assets in the country have now reached a near ZERO level.

The real problem is that excessive leverage and the multiplier caused by derivatives caused the balance sheets of banks to hold vastly overvalued paper assets that were many times the value of the supporting real assets, and even those real assets were overvalued, even before the bubble burst and the asset values REALLY collapsed. What we are seeing is an International Financial System whose accumulated value was based on imaginary wealth that did not really exist, but appeared to function through the speed of continuing overvalued financial transactions. When the merry-go-round slowed that imaginary wealth vanished and the last entity in the pyramid was left holding the bag.

It may take several years for the international financial system stabilize and cleanse itself of the imaginary wealth inherent in the system. This will be very painful. Everybody will suffer, but, in the long run, a system based on a more realistic view of "concrete" wealth and properly valued assets will be a firm foundation for future growth.

Melt Down
Why won't the Republicans in Congress raise hell about this if it really happened.The group that got all the Money from Tarp should be knowledgeable about this action.Someone in a position of power should start screening.What is really going on?

dishonesty. (pt 1)
Dr Douglas writes"
"1. Tax breaks from Reagan to Bush were not stimulative. They greatly increased the difference between the rich and poor, such that today the top 1% owns 20% of the nation's wealth."

This study directly refutes Dr. Douglas claim that tax breaks do not stimulate the economy.
http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=48

Dr Douglas - "2. Unnecessary military spending, from Reagan to Bush, wasted tax dollars that could have been put to more constructive purposes."

Proof by bald assertion. I.E. opinion stated as though it were a fact.

Dr Douglas - 3. Deregulation from Reagan to Bush opened the door to more greedy and risky financial ventures, resulting in the most recent meltdown (e.g., repeal of Glass-Steagall Act pushed by Gramm)."

And then the democrats ran to the rescue with TARP rather then letting the private businesses that had so poorly managed their risk fail. Democrats cause they were in charge of Congress. Remember it is CONGRESS that passes these laws not the President. He can (and being a RINO) did ask for a bailout

Mind you this is the same democrats that blocked regulations on Fannie may and Freddie Mac, created and/or enforced the Community Reinvestment act and/or blocked republican attempts to increase oversight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&annotation_id=an notation_918789

dishonesty. (pt 2 of 2)
Dr Douglas - "4. Lack of oversight, another republican specialty, allowed crooks such as Madoff to proliferate (e.g., Cox and the SEC)."

Lack of oversight? Republicans? Try this in their own (democrat) words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Now there is lack of oversight.

Dr. Douglas - "5. The general republican philosophy of "greed is good" and "taxes are bad" undermined the fiscal responsibility of our nation".

Opinion stated as fact again.

Why is it that so many liberals and Democrats are always blaming bush and/or Republicans? Especially after videos like this one where we can see for ourselves who is doing what to whom and when.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

See these videos and decide for yourself.

Trails
Edward writes:
"Let's call for thorough investigation, without getting into "conspiracy theory". It might have been, but let's find out first. "

Yes indeed. Since this run happend AFTER both the sterns rescue and leyman bros collapse it could very easilly been a LOT if little investors deciding to move their money.

The 1 fact that makes the thoughtful person suspicious is that the rate of withdrawal was 500B+ per hour. On one particular day. Yet there were no big news reports that could account for the specific run on that day at that hour.

More info is needed. Like was the hour the very first that people could start pulling money out? why was it that day and not a week? Leyman bros. didn't crash the day before did it?

As several have said. Investigate. Follow the money. Follow also the denied transactions after the Fed halted trading.

Follow The Money Trail!
Electronic fund transfers aren't a secret to the financial institutions are they? We should be able to find out who the culprit(s) are.

Dr. Douglas, just what are you a "doctor" of? If you are a "doctor" why do you act like an imbecile?

The second 9/11
The "Thursday" referred to by the Congressman happens to have been September 11, 2008...

Coincidence? I think not...

Bush was ashen-faced on September 11, 2001, and he looked about the same when facing the cameras with Paulson seven years later.

http://www.colony14.net

aurorawatcher
Bless your little "Heart". You have gotten yourself and some others all bent out of shape for nothing. I predicted the 9-15 collapse and it wasn't that hard. But I understand economics more than 99.9% of Americans. I had my clients to stop building new projects in 07. Why? The quality of the customers were diminishing. The aforementioned covers the economic part of the economy but there is also a financial component. If you had Bill Gates money and 3 lifetimes you could not find a conspiracy. Well there was one but technically it's not prosecutable for there was no communication. Greed creates it's own conspiracy,just like "Stupidity". They are both "Contagious"...

Soros
Herr Soros has, according to articles I've read, done untold damage to both the swedish and UK economies with his speculation and other activities. I can certainly believe that he would be behind something like this, and at the time, I wondered inwardly, with no evidence, if Soros was behind the crash in our economy.

He appears to be a dangerous and ruthless man. If there is still a James Bond-type out there, it might be nice for him/her/them to "visit" Soros and rectify him.

Yeah for Vicki !!!
Rather than call me names and attack me personally (and all academics), Vicki actually tried to deal with my points. This is truly historic for the Townhall.com crowd.

However, she makes some mistakes.

1. Reagan had to raise taxes if you look at the history. Bush had his trillion dollar tax cuts (for the rich) and they certainly didn't do much.

2. Not proof by bald assertion - It's proof by simple logic. When you are spending $2 billion a week in Iraq, there's obviously going to be less money to spend on say infrastructure. You can argue that war stimulates the defense industry, which is true, but there are many other areas that it doesn't stimulate, and that it weakens. (Besides running up the deficit).

3.You did not deal with my point regarding the massive deregulation ochestrated by republicans. Specifically I referred to the Glass-Steagall Act - read about it.

4.Again, you did not deal with my specific point - lack of oversight - I specifically pointed out how the rebpulican Christopher Cox, who never believed in oversight, was placed in charge of the SEC. Low and behold, they didn't deal with Maddux. Read about it.

5. You are right this is opinion, but it is one that is based on a lot of psychological and sociological knowledge. I stand by it.

Your videos are propaganda and way too narrow. Do you really believe anything Brit Hume says? It's junk. Read the actual history.

Still, I appreciate your effort to actually deal with my points.


Betwyan the racist

You comments about Obama are racist.

And not one of the other readers had the either the morality or the courage to call you on it.

Take your racist crap and stuff it.



Dr Doug Racist
I have read Betwyan comments. I have to challenge you. Is there anything he wrote that isnt true? As far as the magic negro comment, I think he was refering to the fact that he is considered a god in the black community.


manufactured run
The unusual nature of the run on the US economy and its suspicious timing that appeared designed to let the steam out of McCain's building momentum certainly made it seem on the day it happened to have been manufactured to make the Republicans look incompetent. After five months we still know little about who or what exactly precipitated the run. Despite this singular event possibly being one of the major causes of a Democratic victory in November, already, because of our shortened attention spans, it would seem to be considered old news, ancient history, by the MSM and most of the country. Whether or not it was George Soros or one or more unfriendly governments that wished to influence the election, it would seem that we wll never know. The transformation of the MSM into the propaganda arm of the Democratic party has created a vaccum in honest investigative journalism that has not yet been filled.

The Good Doctor Douglas
I would guess taht the good doctor does have a PhD. Based on his knowlwdge of economics and his dependency on well prepared Leftist talking points (he must get the daily Dem memo), he probably has a Doctorate in Education. All of today's degreed educators are products of leftist Schools of Education which focus on developing teachers who can spread left wing propaganda through the Government School System. Our Public Schools no longer educate, they endoctrinate!

Also, his arguement can all be refuted by facts. For instance, Glass Seagall was probably not an excellent idea, but it was NOT created solely by Phil Gram, it was a bi-partisian bill and supported by then President Clinton. The freeing of banks to expand into other financial areas wasn't by itself a direct cause of our current crisis. That theory is a very simplistic, liberal technique to argue for expanded regulation and Government control.

REMEMBER THESE LEFTISTS HATE PRIVATE ENTERPRISE AND WORSHIP AT THE ALTER OF TOTAL, CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT CONTROL. THEY HATE STATES RIGHTS AND THEIR GOASL IS TO WEAKEN STATE GOVERNMENTS SO THAT THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT CAN CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF POUR DAILY LIVES.

It's racist morons

What a bunch of creeps.

Dr. Douglas
"It's racist morons

What a bunch of creeps."

This is the most articulate, well-reasoned post you have made yet, Doc, bwahaha.

yeah but
The "good doctor" should still take a long walk off a short pier into shark infested water. I cannot abide smarmy people like this.

Gee who has 500B to 5T in cash?
only one entity, the US Govt.

Our govt intentionally cratered the global economy for political reasons.

Not even the Chicoms have 500B in cash sitting in money market accounts, it would be stupid for anybody to sit on that kind of cash, inflation is just too expensive to sit on that kind of cash.

China invests their reserves in treasuries & Bonds, not money market, Arabs don't park that kind of cash in money markets either.

intentions
Noah writes:
"Gee who has 500B to 5T in cash?
only one entity, the US Govt.

Our govt intentionally cratered the global economy for political reasons."

Ummmm.... If the Gov has it in cash then it isn't in money market funds. However do you happen to have a data source showing that some branch of the US gov has(had) 500B+ dollars in some money market accounts?

Also if the 500B draw down happened there is a trail. Where is that trail?

The numbers don't make sense
After reviewing Kanjorski's statement a few days ago, I posted on my blog that his numbers don't make any sense. For one thing, at least 2 news reports from the following day note that some $56 billion was withdrawn from institutional money market funds on Thursday, Sept 18, and $224 billion over the previous 7 days. That's a big number, but nowhere near the $550 billion Kanjorski claims. Furthermore, he says the Fed predicted a $5.5 trillion withdrawal by 2PM, and the entire institutional money market is only $2.2 trillion. See http://www.plumbbobblog.com/?p=3101.

I think he pulled his numbers out of some dark orifice, frankly.

The reason for the run is simple; for the first time in about 40 years, money market funds actually lost value. Usually, MM investors accept minuscule rates of return because their money is safe; on that particular week, because of the Lehman Bros failure, their money was not safe, so they switched over to Treasuries.

Credibility
Any time you refer to Rush Limbaugh as a source you instantly lose 90% of your own credibility.
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