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Friday, August 01, 2008
Diana West :: Townhall.com Columnist
Britain's Silence Ammo For A Sharia-Run Future
by Diana West
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Strange, the apparent lack of public alarm in Britain over an extensive new poll showing that significant minorities of Muslim students at some of Britain's better colleges and universities embrace the most threatening aspects of Islam. These include the conviction that killing in the name of religion can be justified (32 percent), belief that men and women shouldn't mix freely (40 percent), support for Sharia (Islamic law) in Britain (40 percent), and support for a global caliphate (33 percent) based in Sharia, among other repressive tenets.

Of course, the poll, conducted by the online research company YouGov and commissioned by the conservative Centre for Social Cohesion, came out just this week. Still, having recently visited England and interviewed a string of political, media and religious figures, I'm going to guess that these horrifying numbers -- and they are indeed horrifying, despite the emphatic disclaimer that the majority of polled Muslim students support secularism and democratic values -- will kick up little cultural dust. After being plastered across a news cycle's worth of papers, they will be regarded as so much political wallpaper that people gaze upon without seeing -- or, at least, without reacting.

Fear or outrage would be considered Islamophobic, of course, and isn't there a law against that? Concern for British common law would be called nationalistic, and that's got to be a crime against multiculturalism. Calling for any action would be labeled xenophobic-slash-mean-spirited. Better to read and weep, silently.

One early exception was a laudably passionate outcry from columnist Minette Marrin writing in the venerable Sunday Times. Marrin's concern was palpable; she ticked off many of the poll's disturbing statistics, noting also the perils to be found within Muslim uncertainty over key questions. For example, she wrote, "When asked how supportive, if at all, they would be of the introduction of a worldwide caliphate based on Sharia, fully 42 percent said they weren't sure. That's quite some uncertainty." She added: "One in five wasn't sure whether Islam is compatible with the western notion of democracy. Insecure young people can be swayed by extremists.

And then she acknowledged the all-important and consistently avoided problem: "The question is how to stand up to the extremists."

Did the columnist next call for a campaign of zero-tolerance for Islamic law? A new immigration policy designed to stop or even reverse the growth of the Islamic demographic in Britain as a means of preventing the democratic implementation of Islamic law in Britain?

Not a chance. "First," she wrote, "I think, we should abandon all discussion of what Islam truly is." In other words, just stop the conversation, PC-halting as it already is.

Her logic? "Questions of true (Islamic) doctrine are insoluble," she declared, felling with one deconstructive swoop the objectively knowable facts of Islamic law, which is rooted in Islam's mainstream teachings.

She went on: "Clearly, for lots of Muslims Islam is not a doctrine of gentleness, tolerance, sexual equality, forgiveness, democracy and all the rest. For countless others it clearly is.

What follows inescapably from this," she wrote in the very next sentence -- and here we must pause to stretch our neck muscles to soften the approaching trauma of journalistic whiplash -- "is that religious people and their views should not be officially recognized in groups. Religion should not be allowed a public space or public representation." She added: "This is hard for those of us who used to love the muddled Anglican compromise; it means the disestablishment of our national church -- if it doesn't self-destruct first."

Huh? It's not easy to read between these lines, but it seems possible that Marrin just might believe that the anti-Western and even violent outlook of too many of Britain's best and brightest Muslims is in fact traditional Islamic doctrine. Shutting down discussion of Islam, eradicating all religion, even British core Anglicanism, from the public square -- which is essentially what former French President Jacques Chirac did in 2003 when he banned the kippa and cross along with the hijab from public schools -- allows the British to avoid this postmodern abyss.

But it leaves another gaping hole.

Anthony Glees, a professor of security and intelligence studies at London's Brunel University, has underscored the importance of the survey. "The finding that a large number of students think it is OK to kill in the name of religion is alarming," he said, adding: "There is a wide cultural divide between Muslim and non-Muslim students. The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation."

Excuse me, but integration and assimilation into what? Not a Britain that abandons all discussion of what Islam actually is -- along with all vestiges of what Britain ever was.

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Our cultural suicide
The West is bent on self-destruction. It has internalized the insanity of "multiculturalism," "diversity," "inclusiveness," and all the other mantras of the loony left, and is surrendering to a deadly enemy without condition.

I wonder what the people in those boxcars on the way to the death camps thought about, as their Nazi masters readied the gas chambers for them?

That it may have been better to put up a fight, perhaps?

surrender
much of the history of europe is the history of resistance to islam. europe has been invaded repetitively by peaceful muslims, and have been repelled from most of europe only by heroic efforts by whoever was immediately at risk. in most instances, whatever was captured by islam stayed islam. the exception is spain, which was reconquered over 500 years, and the crusades, which resulted in recapture of parts of the "holy land" for up to 200 years. the peaceful muslims of today are still upset over these 2 events, and certainly intend to take spain back, with the rest of the continent thrown in for good measure. it appears that there will be no more lepantos, no more tours, no more heroic defense of civilization against the invading hoards. instead we have voluntary surrender by the post-christian population of europe, while they chant their mantras of peace, and praise the high civilization of the peaceful muslims. in my opinion, the best thing we could do for europe is stop trying to prevent terrorism. the muslims will win the continent if they just keep breeding and immigrating, but they just cant help themselves. if left alone, they would initiate a string of terrorist attacks that just might wake europe up to the certain fact that they need to expell all the peaceful muslims while they still can. if they dont, they better start getting used to praying 5 times per day, and meaning it.

PC Myopia
Professor Glees comments on "..a large number of students who think it's OK to kill in the name of religion."
HELLO!!! The hard truth is that it is a large number of Muslim students who think it's OK to kill non-Muslims in the name of Islam. It's not large numbers of 7th Day Adventists or Catholics.
If you can't even identify the obvious problem in front of you, how are you going to deal with it?

The 800 lbs Gorilla in the room
Islam is NOT compatible with Western culture.

Those who advocate Sharia-Law should be deported with extreme prejudice.

Good Article
Ms. West, but no need to worry about the Brits. They have always been pompous, nationalistic, and proud people...PC will fly only so far in that country.

This statement, however, certainly applies to the U.S. in a major way....you found simple truth and a solution all in one sentence. Well done!

"The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation."


Great Britian?
Sunday Times Minnett Marrin says, "Insecure young people can be swayed by extremists."
And then she acknowledged the all-important and consistently avoided problem: "The question is how to stand up to the extremists."

You do not stand up to Muslim extremists (Jihadists) who want to kill you and every other infidel in the world until their caliphate is realised.

You kill them before they kill you until Democracy and Capitalism is realised in the Republic of The United States of America and anywhere else in the world where the Muslim extremists (Jihadists) kill innocent people everyday.

Whenit is all said and done
When it is all said and done it will be a fight between Christianity and islam. A moral relativist is a coward.

Silver lion
"... no need to worry about the Brits. They have always been pompous, nationalistic, and proud people...PC will fly only so far in that country."

You seem to be forgetting that "the Brits" now includes lots of people who aren't native British but are instead immigrants. Add into that the birth rates for natives and immigrants, and the picture doesn't look so healthy. Then add in the guilt from imperialism, the hatred of the West among the natives, and the resulting disinclination to do anything against former subjects. And finally add in the obsession with global warming as the problem rather than Muslims, and it's just hard to see anything other than a Muslim Britain in the future.

Diane
The practice of Islam now taking place in England is no threat to Britain.However, it maybe a threat to "Capitalism".England has predicated much of it's human activity on "Socialist" concepts and this may prove to be an interruption for those who seek to colonize England economically.Having grown-up in England, I see very little difference in today's England.Our heritage and a thousand years of history, does not allow us to panic at the first signs of a challenge.In England we don't see our future in fatalistic terms,and we never question our continuing existence.Sorry,Diane.

Yes, disestablish the CoE
No brainer. British law is secular anyway, but the official endorsement of Christianity by the state is going to be more and more of a problem. If you can be a Christian state one day, you can be an Islamic state the next.

Disestablishing the church does not mean removing religion from the "public square" (whatever that vague term means). It simply means that the state is out of the religion business, which it should be.

If the UK disestablished the church and ratified a constitution stipulating secular governance (a la US), the UK would be in much better shape today wrt religious issues in society. We don't have groups calling for religious law in the US, and there's a reason for that.

Everyone knows the deal.

The church must be disestablished and the complete equality of citizens, irrespective of faith, must be affirmed.

Monotheism is the problem...
...not that the mono-deity is necessarily a problem, but that there has been a tendency to make the deity into an entity with human psychology, and all that that entails.

Until we rid ourselves of the anthropomorphic deity, we're in the soup.

Let the Prime Mover be the Prime Mover.

Corndog @ 08:28 wrote
"Islam is NOT compatible with Western culture".

On the nail--and still true if the word "Western" is deleted.

killer at # 10

Heh heh, did you actually say, "The practice of Islam now taking place in England is no threat to Britian."

You have clearly not read the body of growing
FACTS that contradict your wish up there.

Start with Mark Steyn's America Alone...then
read Patrick J. Buchanan's The Death of the West.

Britain is finished. Jean Raspail said it well:
"The deed is done." The God-cursed feminists have killed Britain via abortion and "the pill."
Net result is English birth-rates are way down below even the replacement level of 2.1 births needed to break even with the death rate. Add to that millions of Muslims pouring into England to fill the job slots that the aborted and never-concieved English babies are not there
to do...millions of Muslims now vital to the English tax base to support the English social
welfare state...then add the fact that MORE millions of Muslims MUST arrive in order to grow the English economy....then add HIGH Muslim birth-rates...heh heh...

..add all that together and you have an England that is finished as an English nation.

You kumbaya-singing-"We Are The World" liberals
are going to be in for a very rude awakening in the near future. I look forward to living long enough to see feminists in England wearing burkas and tip-toeing softly around their new male masters.

You reap what you sew...and it's an iron law of history that "The Future Belongs To The Fertile."

A dying nation
England is finished for one very simple reason. They have lost all respect for who they are! People who respect their history and culture do not sit back and do nothing while it is being attacked and dismantled.

Furthermore the Church of England is a national joke.It should be replaced by some fire and brimsotne preaching Baptists who, from the pulpit, are capable of tearing Islam apart.

Speculation
The updated 2001 figures for 2008 for Muslims in Britain is just under 2 million, or 3.3% of the population. In Scotland and Ireland they make up less than 1% of the population. 80% of the Muslims are in the greater London Area. Currently, their birthrate is 3.5, whereas for the rest, it is 1.4. At the same time, some of these people assimilate via marraige and do not remain Muslim. 10,000 of these Muslims are millionaires, and 60% of the students showed no interest in a state run by Sharia law, and 2/3's weren't interested in some Global Caliphate or killing in the name of Islam. 80% are from Pakistan, Bangladesh, or India - former colonies. The more practical fact is that the actual perceived threat comes from the 40% of the 2 million, or some 800,000. Which is 1.3% of the population. Putting this in perspective shows why the Brits are not panicking. After all, the number of Muslims being integrated is greater than those that aren't. Those that aren't are a minority in their own faith, and an even larger one throughout the country. Even if over 50 years Muslims make up 1/3 of England (and a 3.3% start figure has never historically produced such a continued growth rate), ove 1/2 of those will not be a threat to English institutions, leaving 15% or so - assuming this 15% never changes.

Much speculation - little fact, and less reality mark these assertions. It doesn't remotely stand up under scrutiny.

Living under Sharia Law
Where ever Islam goes freedom flees which is always the case where ever Muslims and the religion of Islam migrate too. While moderate Muslims might not state publically about their preferences of living under a democracy verses Sharia, it really doesn’t matter since the Muslims Extremist have controlled the Religion since the day the Religion was formed. “Islam is NOT compatible with Western culture” nor will it ever be compatible with any form of democracy that advocates religious freedoms for ALL religions. Just look at ANY Muslim country and you will find either Christianity outlawed or Christians murdered by the dozens every day. Concerning the “YouGov” report, anyone who scratches the surface knows that the figures presented here don’t represent the real sentiment of the majority of Muslims, especially the view point of the Muslims from the Middle East or Africa. The simple fact that almost the entire population of Muslims in the UK and here in the USA refuse to integrate into our societies while at the same demanding special privileges should alarm any sane person. While our recent PEW research figures concerning radical Islam where very close to the “You Gov” figures, we should also remember that like the “YouGov” report, ours was also done in the public’s eye and not behind the Masjid’s walls where you will find a much difference view point discussed especially among the Muslim men. America only has to look towards Europe to see what we will become. Does the “Islamic state of Michigan” ring a bell to anyone here? Yes Mr. curmudgeon, you also hit it on the nail, we better start practicing our daily prayers since it appears no one is brothering to remember the Rashidun, the Umayyad, the Abbasid, nor even the more recent Caliphate, the Ottoman empire, apparently, we haven’t learned a darn thing about Islam.

I hope you're right
Redlac wrote, "The more practical fact is that the actual perceived threat comes from the 40% of the 2 million, or some 800,000. Which is 1.3% of the population.... Much speculation - little fact, and less reality mark these assertions. It doesn't remotely stand up under scrutiny."

I sincerely hope you're right, and having 800,000 people (your figure) dedicated to violent overthrow of your government and establishment of a theocratic despotism DOESN'T "remotely stand up under scrutiny."

BTW, what were the relative sizes of His Majesty's Armed Forces compared to the Continental Army in 1776?

Financing your own demise ..
.. through state programs that effectively PAY people to breed and finance their raising of their children. Those who hate you laugh about out-breeding you, with you helping them to do so by financing that process.

"The muslims will win the continent if they just keep breeding and immigrating .. "


It gets worse
It gets worse: this side ofthe river, there have been many irregularities in postal voting in local elections, some of which were traceable to Muslims. There have been rumours going about for some time that Labour will give votes to immigrants, including those whose position has not yet been regularised. I don't know what else our Government could do to hand racist parties a substantial vote.

Draughty old Fen
Cambridgeshire
England
NE Alabama

About 3yrs ago
a muslim made this statement(i think on cbs) in an interview: It has been our goal to rule the world for 400yrs.

He also stated, he would gladly give up his 6yr old boy to attain that goal.

They have "cells" in 160+ countries and are at work to achieve that goal.
France & England are easy marks for them & our
Democracy is on its death bed.

We have to muslims in congress & one running for President.

Surely anyone can figure the answer.

Ideas?
With all these upstart invaders spewing their domination rhetoric in our lands, I suppose the question is: what makes Moslems afraid?




DocLiberty
Since these 800,000 Muslims are not soldiers, your only rational comparison would be to compare the number of Colonists who were determined to break away from Britain, to those who were not. In point of fact, it was often said that about 1/3 supported, 1/3 were somewhat neutral, and 1/3 were opposed. Given about three million people, that would indicate that it took 1 million people to raise and support an Army necessary to present a credible threat to the British Army.

Right now, in Britain, you have perhaps 800,000 people, assuming the parents are like the children surveyed (which given college students in the US may be another one of those unsubstantiated assumption) who would be opposing some 60 million. And this does not include tossing the Scots and Irish into the mix, two cultures much more violently inclined to preserve their culture, which is likely why the total number of Muslims in those two areas are under 1%. At this point, there is simply no comparison. The 800,000 aren't remotely equipped to mount an army that could oppose the Army of the 60 million. And, in 50 years, if its 15% vs the 85%, it would still not be likely.

And then, of course, you have to question the other underlying and unproven assumption - which is this nonsense that the British - should they ever be threatened with armed force - would simply lie down and not react - somthing not supported by their history - however you choose to interpret events today. Like I said, unsubstantiated speculation based on a rather silly chicken little scenerio.

Seriously, You People Are Bonkers..
..there is more chance of GWB being hailed as the greatest US President than an Islamic state being imposed on the UK. I've asked the question many times on these pages, how exactly do you see the mechanism by which this 'coup' could take place?

Killer's + Gene Touchet + Silver lion
First off, Killer, you are ignorant beyond belief. I mean this respectfully, believe me, please. Have your read the polls? Can you find any simple comparisons? They will kill you, one way or another. You may survive until you die a long life but when you die, you will regret the decisions you have made about this relgion. This Islamic religion is all about death. There is no life. When they live, they live to rape the world. Women are chattel, and their neighbor is someone to rip off. As long as they have one femtometer of remorse for their behavior, Allah guarantees their salvation in heaven. This is a crock but these simple tribal peasants believe it. They believe it fanatically. Wake up, Killer, or your soul will die. Islam is a cancer on humanity.

Unproven assumptions, I think NOT!
Comparing 800,000 Muslims with the number of colonists that fought the British is like comparing burgers with falafels, it just doesn’t translate. It only takes one Muslim carrying a bomb strapped to themselves walking in a subway on a busy day to take out 200 people. Given the fact that in Iran, in just one day the clergy managed to enlist over 2,000 martyrs to immigrate into foreign countries with the sole intent of blowing themselves up; and they were all women. Now try and do your comparisons! It only takes a few people to throw a whole economy out of balance; is anyone here forgetting 9/11? Gee 19 people put our whole economy in a tail spin that we still haven’t climbed out of. Please don’t forget the economic aspect of this war against Islamic terrorism. Look at the impact of the Muslims living in Michigan have had on our social system, our laws, and of course the impact the daily calls to prayer over loud speakers have had on the local population that can’t sleep anymore. Heck, they don’t need to raise any army since most of the Non Muslims are leaving in droves and the one staying, are intimated daily by the peaceful Muslims by the same tactics they used in Egypt against the Coptic’s; you do know what has happened to the Coptic’s don’t you?

Please look at Sweden where even the indigenous citizens can’t walk along without being accosted by angry gangs of Muslims that want them to leave or just rape the women in total day light for not wearing a Burqa. Unproven assumption? I think not.


Insects
The muslims deserve every bit of misery they bring on themselves.... How many happy muslims do you see?? That's right not very many. It's a sad miserable death cult. They've infested Britan (among other countries) and like a parasite they feed on the country's life blood by tearing down that country's culture and replacing it with their own, and then cry racism whenever it benefits them. And like a termite infestation that weakens the whole structure of your house, they weaken the structure of their host country. Now they've come to the USA and what do they want?? Not freedom and democracy baby!! They want to take over and rule...

I'm Looking Forward to It
It will be good for Americans to see what's coming to them if they continue to delude themselves and consciously ignore the facts before them.

Hopefully, we'll get to see real carnage in England and Europe as the Muslims kill and enslave that continent. I know I'll be most happy to watch it. It serves those perfumed arrogant back stabbers right after they betrayed us. They didn't learn their lesson after the last two world wars. Now, hopefully, they'll pay a terrible price for becoming women.

Seeing images of violence in England may wake us up. It's debatable, but something has to.

But it's hard to guess which group we'll have to fight against with our guns: Muslims or domestic socialists. I don't care. Just let me live long enough to participate.

The two Docs
England and it' people are fine.We have always been ahead of America and will continue in that capacity.I love England for it's tolerance and the ability to hold onto it's dignity.Many Americans are so filled with "Hate",it would be impossible for Jesus to return,even if he wanted to.One "Fool" calls for the destruction of Islam by another religion.What happens when that religion fails to meet your expectations in the future?Can you see where the problem lies.Of course you can't,your ignorance has blinded you.Don't worry about the British,we will be fine.1 thousand and still going strong.How about you?

Enlightenment
What we need is an islamic enlightenment to roll back the medieval mindset, much in the same way that the west flourished after christian medievalism was declawed in the eighteenth century. Whether or not a weakening of islamic republics would help, an islamic enlightenment will only happen from within. Resisting the demands of islamists is hampered by evangelical christians who give succour to them by the equivalence of literal Koranic belief and literal biblical belief. The French have enjoyed over 100 years of secularism (it did not start with Chirac as implied above)and theirs (along with Turkey's) is the best model of containment until the islamic moderates can have the influence we so urgently need them to have.

Stuart

David
The practical fact is that whatever the young people say in that poll, you do not have 800,000 Muslims preparing to strap bombs to their body in Britain, nor the remotest indication that this will happen. You're taking a handful of instances and then projecting it to everyone else. Further, you are assuming that if something of this nature started, that the other 60 million would not simply remove the 800,000 from their country. This is always the core fallacy of this chicken little thinking. You cannot generate the math to show that these existing 2 million Muslims will become a majority in the future, without making a whole string of assumptions about the future. Similarly, you have no evidence other than your own paranoia to support the idea that people who talk, also act. If that were true, you'd have bombs going off all over the place in every country, and it wouldn't just be Muslims doing so. Everything you say is assumption. Nothing has any factual basis. A few bombs went off in England, now you are saying that everyone of that particular religious group will do the same thing. Of course, only a few dozen out of those 2 million had any direct involvement with those bombs, and the rest have yet to act. Your argument, and Diane's proposition has little substance. But it does make a great conspiracy theory.

Redlac & Killer
R: Again, I hope you're right.

K: "We have always been ahead of America and will continue in that capacity."

You are ahead of all other countries, too, in this fashion: you're the only country to get it's "arse" both kicked and saved TWICE by America. Anytime you want the trifecta in either category, just give us a ring.

Sharia
Vespanat says that GWB will be hailed as a great president before sharia comes to England. Hmmmm., not so fast.
Everyone reading this column should read the book,"Because They Hate" by Brigitte Gabrielle.She is from Lebanon. What happened in her country can happen in England, Denmark, Holland, and yes....,right here in this country.
Every member of our house and senate was given a copy of her book.

She has a website, Act For America. Check it out.
When we have honor killings right here in the U.S.. When Muslim cabbies demand and get footbaths installed at the Kansas City Airport, when Target workers refuse to touch packages of bacon and hot dogs because pork is unclean, and they get reassigned not fired...,then perhaps we should not be so self assured that it could not happen.

For Killer:
The British should be proud of their long history of accomplishment in all areas of civilization. Their current worship of tolerance is something they should dump. The great English Writer GK Chesterton said, “Tolerance is a virtue of a man without any convictions.” So called Tolerance in Britain is really the hammer used to attack the traditional values that made the nation great. Christianity has always been the backbone of the British producing such great men at Beckett, Moore, Newton, Wilburforce, Chesterton and CS Lewis. I could add many more.

There was a time when British dignity was the hallmark of British behavior. I’m sorry to say Britain is better known today for soccer hooliganism. The fact that this once great Christian nation only has about 10% Church attendance is the primary factor for this. A dearth of morals and socialism is rotting this great nation from within.

LC...
...you still haven't answered my question as to hoe the UK (presumably not just England) will become an Islamic state?
While I'm on, some of the language used on these pages to describe Muslims really is disgusting. I've seen some inflammatory words used by the left in political discourse rightly criticised on this site but this shows the right is not without its culprits too.

vespanat
It will not be a coup as you stated in your first post. If this is the measure of change then, it will not not happen according to you. Ever consider a slow and subtle change that no one really notices until it is too late? Muslim polygamous families receiving welfare for all the wives and children. The archbishop of Canterbury stating that sharia law must be allowed within Muslim communities. A 70,000 seat mosque under construction in London. Etc. etc. The country will first be balkanized under the multicultural imperative. The coup of which you speak will probably never take place unless perhaps at the end.

It's quite a stretch
And when will that be? Better yet - give me a single example from history where a minority of 3% ending up dominating the established culture. In this case, you have to first accept that 60% of Muslims seem to like British law, meaning that the other 1.2% will have to breed like the devil, while somehow preventing 60% of their kids from deciding that things aren't really all that bad in merry old england, and lose all interest in what people are saying in countries they have no desire to return to.

Hitchiker..
..thanks for the response, it still will not happen. The chorus of disapproval for the Archbishops comments from all sides (including some Muslims) is testament to that. I'm not denying there are some problems in the UK regarding race relations and assimilation but the idea of the UKever becoming Islamic is simply not credible particularly given our propensity to drink!!!

I Would Also Echo..
Redlacs comments below. Even the whites in South Africa couldn't maintain power in the minority and they had Thatcher and Reagan supporting them!!

Disgusting language?
When opinions of the actual tenets, most fundamental aspects and the very fruits of this perverted pseudo-religion are characterized as disgusting, something has gone dreadfully wrong.
Never mind that it's founder was a psychotic, bloodthirsty pedophile.
Never mind the brutality and degradation women are regularly subjected to in muslim culture.
Never mind the using of their own children and the mentally handicapped as human bombs to kill other innocent women and children.
Never mind the countless female genital mutilations, honor killings, blood killings, stonings, burnings, bombings, hand hackings, foot hackings, head hackings, etc. preferred by this vile dark-ages death-cult pretending to be a religion...
None of that matters to the moral coward.
It is the words people choose to try and define this diseased and depraved mentality that are disgusting.
Show a little backbone already.
It is islam that is disgusting beyond any words.
Not the language of those who simply note it's actual results.
For no language, however foul, can hold a candle to the disgusting realities of this most vile thing called islam.

Libertyworld
Right on.
This 7th-century death cult needs to be recognized for what it really is, and no longer given free passage and acceptance on the basis of being a bona fide religion.

Liberal hypocrisy
Liberals like gay rights and marriage. What happens under islamic law in Iran? Gays are tossed off rooftops. Liberals generally favor femminism. What happens under islamic law? odious dress codes. gender segregation. Anti flirting vice cops. Liberals like their freedom to be indifferent to religion. What happens under Islamic law? Ever hear of conversion by the sward? President Bush's war against islamofaschism is allowing liberals to be liberals. But liberals let their Bush loathing psychosis blind them to the reality that it is President Bush, and not the liberals in congress, who has done the most to protect their liberal values.
Oh behalf of sanier Americans, thank you Mr. President. Future historians will note your achievement.

Stu
Exactly how do flea-bitten learing eyed fatheads from parts of the world
without indoor plumbing manage to get green cards in the US? Any idea
how that racket works?

Brits back to 1938....
It's a nation with a glorious past history, but I'd wager that it's now politically incorrect to teach that history. After all, much of it took place in the Middle-East and points east.
Too many real, home-grown, Anglo-Saxon Brits have become apathetic, but they were the same in 1938, until they got a strong leader like Churchill.(a Tory) He rallied the people in that county's darkest moment. There are minor signs the Brits are waking up, The Red mayor of London was finally unseated, the Labour Party is staring at defeat by the oncoming Tories. The next P.M. of UK will be a Tory (Conservative). That's the first step. The Brits have been taxed to death with their many, many, ineffective social programs that have got their country nowhere. Try getting into a hospital emergency room earlier than 9 hours in an ambulance parked outside the ER, and at least 3 hours wait in the ER. Try getting your Mom needed kidney dialysis in less than a month or so. She's dead by then. You want socialized medicine?...you have to be nuts.
This living portrait of liberalism is the prime example for a country's downslide. Once socialism + political correctness become the order of the day, the nation starts its slow death. Ergo,the condition of Islam-infected United Kingdom.They better change that name back to Great Britain, and start acting as if they're great. They can be! We, in the USA,don't know how close we're coming to a similar fate, as people fall for "Change we can believe in." Sometimes, there's no way back from voting yourselves into an abyss.

No worries Mate
British nationalism is silently simmering...and the British love their freedom and ale...they won't do without either.

Sharia Law
I sure have enjoyed Western Civilization and the Freedom to sing, work, play,celebrate my family and friends (male and female), worship as I please and give thanks. With Sharia Law there will be no more rodeos or skeet matches. And, we Christians will be beat to a pulp with our severed bloody limbs and unable to express our displeasure because our tongues will have been cut out for praising Jesus and calling on Him for help.

Anothr Thing
I saw a news item months ago that is in line with this author's observation on that island of sheep.

There's a new fad among England's disenfranchised youth. They board public transportation with their cell phone cameras going, then they slap and beat commuters and send these images to their friends.

But here's the amazing part of this sad story. The commuters show no signs of awareness all the while they're getting abused. They simply stare, mute, straight ahead or gaze out the window of the bus or train as their heads snap back and forth from the blows.

The footage is narrated by a newscaster who tells the viewers that England has some draconian "vigilante" laws that prohibit victims of assault from defending themselves. Any who do will be taken down and thrown in jail. Thus, British citizens on their way to and from work simply pray that they beat the odds and escape bodily injury one more day.

It was unbelievable and strange. Well dressed office workers being savagely attacked and remaining stoic all during the assaults.

Nature will remove any species that conducts itself without regard to its survival because such a species wastes valuable natural resources that stronger animals need.

Nature has sent Muslims to thin out the herd of Western Civilization because there are too many of us that lumber the Earth, slothlike, contributing nothing and existing merely to eat and generate waste. This is especially true of Americans and Western Europeans on government relief who do nothing but watch daytime TV and vote democratic.

Until we decide to really fight back without regard to the sensibilities of muslim feelings, we will continue to be slaughtered. This is only correct in nature.

Redlac
Get your head out from where the sun does not shine and read any current newspaper. They don’t have to raise an army and arm it in the conventional sense. And yes the women and children will be part of any insurrection. Look at the damage a murderer bomber does in Israel and Iraq secure in the knowledge they will arrive in paradise.

As another poster noted, “…it appears no one is brothering to remember the Rashidun, the Umayyad, the Abbasid, nor even the more recent Caliphate, the Ottoman empire, apparently, we haven’t learned a darn thing about Islam.”

Now let us all join hands with our liberal brothers and sisters and sing Kumbyya, while the women go to the left for your berkas and the men will get a Koran and prayer beads. And men and women shall never be together again without the company of other family members, if they are the woman shall be killed for dishonoring her family.


Western Civilization is Redundant
From my blog on July 4th:

"I think to modify civilization with the word “Western” is redundant now. From what we have seen of the twins, Fascism and Socialism, civil society can not survive the death of individual rights and the ownership of private property. Certainly, while on her way to being a military and economic superpower, China is no more truly civilized than were our Neolithic ancestors. Cultured, yes; civilized? No. The cult of the State obliterates what is mannered and respectful and genuinely human in society. And one can only turn away in loathing from what passes for civility in the theocracies of Islam."

I am leaning toward the presumption of guilt where Islam is concerned. I think MOST of Islam is a fascist, mysogynistic, anti-intellectual, hate and fear-filled inferiority complex.

Fortress mentality:-- circle the wagons
The unmitigated xenophobia of some of the above comments is extraordinary. Referring to Muslims as "Insects", for example. What other large group could be labeled this way without arousing outrage?

There is also profound misinformation, encouraged by the likes of Mark Steyn and Pat Buchanan. "England" is not the name of a nation state, of course, but the UK birth rate is far from falling below replacement. Indeed, the largest number of births since 1993 has just been recorded, and fertility is at the highest level since 1980.

As in the US, it is the ageing population that poses the real problem for the future, even though the UK at 37th and the US at 45th are not as severely threatened as the longest lived populations.

It is not in the UK but here in the United States that the birth rate has been falling since 1990. Moreover, it is the stigmatized Hispanic inhabitants, legal and illegal, who have raised the fertility rate to 2.1, as opposed to 1.9 in the UK.

Among racial and ethnic groups in the US, the fertility rate of Hispanics is 2.9 children per woman, compared with 1.8 for non-Hispanic whites, 2.0 for non-Hispanic blacks, 1.9 for Asian and Pacific Islanders, and 1.7 for American Indians and Alaska Natives.

Making indiscriminately bellicose noises against more than a billion Muslims worldwide, and millions in the US and the UK, is an excellent example of Diana West's argument that Americans have become infantilized. Worse than that, it is extremely counter-productive.

Religious and national identity
Incidentally, the complaint that many Muslims in Britain regard themselves as Muslims first and Britons second is precisely analogous to the complaint that Mexican-Americans regard themselves as Mexican first. We all have many ways of defining ourselves, and which ones are most important depend on circumstances. Is one a Christian first, a father first, a Quaker first, a husband first, a Jew first, or an American first?

Any minority community that is constantly attacked, by word or deed, and told that it does not belong among the host community, will cling to its own identity. It will be the second or third generation that manages to integrate, given half a chance. We have seen that here, with the long rejection of Chinese and Japanese immigrants, for example.

Also shortsighted is the complaint that many British Muslims believe that killing in the name of religion is justifiable. Those Americans who make such complaints are often the very same people who object most vociferously to American secularization.

Is killing to defend a concept and a way of life such as Islam so very different from killing to defend such concepts and ways of life as Western Civilization or the American Way of Life? Is religion implicit in these latter concepts?
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