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Friday, April 18, 2008
Diana West :: Townhall.com Columnist
Jimmy Carter Makes Me Sick
by Diana West
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In mustering arguments against Jimmy Carter's head-to-head, if not heart-to-heart, get-togethers with the arch-murderers of Hamas -- the Iranian-supported, Muslim Brotherhood-linked terror organization openly dedicated to the annihilation of the state of Israel -- it becomes clear that these disastrous meetings aren't a question of misunderstood or overlooked facts, or a matter of persuasion based on such facts. They come down to a stark choice between evil and good: to meet with Hamas, or not to meet with Hamas; to lend legitimacy to a terror group, or to shun it; to degrade the office of the presidency, or to honor it. Jimmy Carter has made all the wrong choices.

The horror of it all comes from the fact that Carter, as a former president of the United States, doesn't choose in the anonymity of a private person. With lifelong recognition for his permanent, if dubious, place in American history, he makes his immoral choice as a venerable representative of the presidency, indeed, as an enduring symbol of the nation.

It was as such a symbol that the former president hugged a former Hamas official at a reception in Ramallah on Tuesday. Unfortunately, Carter didn't arrive in time for last Friday's sermon, delivered by a Hamas cleric and MP, and translated by MEMRI. It called for Islamic conquest, first of Rome -- "the Crusader capital, which has declared its hostility to Islam, and planted the brothers of apes and pigs in Palestine (Koranic motifs describing Jews) in order to prevent the reawakening of Islam," and then "Europe in its entirety ... the two Americas and even Eastern Europe."

He could have hugged that Hamas official, too.

And it was as such a symbol that the former president, along with wife, Rosalynn, the former first lady, visited the grave of Yasser Arafat, the founding father of global terrorism, who, in his time on Earth, watered it with the blood of innocents, including that of two American diplomats he ordered assassinated in 1973 in Sudan. Did the thought of all this blood temper Mr. Carter's enthusiasm? Hailing Arafat's "historic role," the 39th president of the United States laid a wreath of red -- red -- roses on the terrorist's grave, calling him a "dear friend."

Too bad a column can't come with a sick bag.

This laying of the wreath seems to have particularly thrilled Abdel Rahim, a top aide to Palestinian Authority Holocaust denier -- I mean, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (Arafat's longtime associate and successor). The Jerusalem Post reminded readers that this presidential salute was a first, given that "U.S. President George W. Bush and other top administration officials had refused to honor Arafat during their visits to Ramallah." Rahim was positively brimming with enthusiasm, burbling on to Carter about the day Arafat's tomb would be moved to Jerusalem, "the capital of the Palestinian state."

And these -- Abbas & Co. (Fatah) -- are the "moderates." More such moderation came out in recent news reports that Abbas had to be convinced by Israel not to carry out plans to bestow official honors next week on two female accessories to Israeli murder, including the driver of the bomber of the infamous 2001 Sbarro pizzeria massacre.

Maybe Carter can arrange recognition for these women. Having honored the PLO murderer Arafat, Carter would surely like to honor others from his terrorist camp. Oh, I forgot. The former president is already doing just that in meetings with Hamas murderers even as they continue to kill.

This would seem to register high on the outrage meter, but, for the most part, what is audible from the White House, the State Department and the Congress, is so much tepid background noise to the effect of, "We wouldn't do that if we were you, sir." Not much else. At least not until Rep. Sue Myrick, North Carolina Republican, got involved.

Because Carter's meetings with the Hamas leadership run counter to international agreements to isolate Hamas, and to U.S. policy and international policy regarding this terrorist group, Myrick has publicly called on Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to revoke Jimmy Carter's passport.

Hallelujah. With this request, an American leader has actually taken a stand for American security interests, for victims of terrorism, for the principle of not bargaining with terrorists, for an important ally, and, perhaps most important, for a grown-up, restorative moral order. Jimmy Carter should certainly lose his passport for his shameful and degrading and harmful Hamas overtures.

And preferably before he flies back home.

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Gag
Carter is nuts. I cannot fathom his worldview. Roll-over-and-expose-the-underbelly-and-jugular doesn't even work with kindergarteners; what makes Carter think it will work with committed murderers?

Perhaps his view is simply otherworldly - a world which exists only in his warped mind. It would be sad if it wasn't so dangerous.


Kudos to Rep. Myrick
Although this proposal to revoke 'Jimmuh's' passport, I think, should be but a first step to something else - like, say, going after him for treason and sedition?

Because it isn't just his pan-Islamist sympathies and anti-Semitic venom that are at play here. Remember his running interference for sworn Communist and narco-terrorist backer Hugo Chavez during the Venezuelan elections a few years ago?

What is Carter's Motivation?
Just when we thought Jimmy Carter could not get any weirder (is that a word?), he proves us wrong and does something like this.

I love how the Israeli's told him that he would have to provide his own security detail. Not that he had anything to worry about. No one in Israel was going to do anything to him(it's citizens are peaceful) and certainly no one in the neighboring terrorists neighborhoods was going to harm him. He is about the only American that can walk around in these areas and feel completely safe. I wonder why?

Disgraceful
I well remember the farce that was the Carter 'presidency.' The inflation, the gas lines, the hostages, the sheer stupidity of it all. Carter does need to have his passport yanked and, as far as I am concerned, he can stay with his Arab friends. I guess since he was unsuccessful in totally destroying the nation during his term in office, he has decided to finish the job now. This man is disgraceful.

ApolloSpeaks @ 05:19 wrote
"But just as shameful and degrdaing is George Bush's abject appeasing of and kowtowing to the Islamonazi Maliki government whose ardent support of Hamas and Hezbollah makes a laughing stock of our Iraq policy".

You mean you didn't predict this happening in 2001, when Bush was bamboozled by Musharraf's sudden turn against Taliban (entirely to prevent a joint invasion by Vajpayee and Bush)?

Jimmy Carter's Political History:

KATZ, my hypothesis about Jimmuh
He observed what happened in the US' northern neighbour Canada--which honoured two treasonous PM's (Trudeau through renaming of Montreal's Dorval Airport after demise, Mulroney with country's highest civilian order in 1998)--and decided to duplicate these achievements after (what he thought was) a suitable delay.

For rightviewpoint
(note: I didn't view the link yet) It reminds me of an apocryphal story about Mussolini during WW2, who supposedly stated "Italian honour isn't for sale; but you can negotiate a lease with me".

Admittedly, Carter had leased any honour he had prior to 1976.

svpallava
Your hypothesis has something to it, I think--look at all the publicity he's getting at this site alone. Problem is, he's so delusional that he doesn't realize most Americans would like to send him to Guantanamo.

Speaking of WW2, I mentioned on another thread that I have to apologize to the appeasers of the 1930s for comparing them to Jimmy. At least Neville Chamberlain had the good sense to see the light in the end, and to STFU after Churchill took over.

Enforce the Logan Act
and send this traitor to jail for operating a freelance foreign policy shop without authorization or sanction.

Think, before you vote.
A 2 year Governor, a 4 year President, he is still with us 28 years later.

Know who you are voting for before you vote.

Carter is a Genius
What you knuckle draggers have failed to grasp in you bitter denunciation of Carter is that your own plan for peace between Israel and Palestine has failed. It is a one sided myopic view of what is going on. You keep working the same ideas over and over again, like a deranged psychotic hoping for a different outcome.


Great Headline!!!!
For Carter there is no excuse! Talk about a anti-semite, Jew hater... I'm sure Maher hasn't blasted his Nazi butt buddy Carter on his obvouis support for Jew killers and their hatred.

Bleeding Heart
"What you knuckle draggers have failed to grasp in you bitter denunciation of Carter is that your own plan for peace between Israel and Palestine has failed."

I expect Carter's peace plan to be about as successful as everything else he has ever tried. In other words, it will be a dismal failure.

Carter is a traitor and should ...
be hanged. Not only for this offence but for creating the problems that currently exist in Iran. He is an abysmal failure as a human being and if he had an ounce of decency in him, he would take his own life to spare the rest of us from putting up with him. If you think I'm being too harsh, research his record. The man is a waste of fresh air. I used to believe that ALL human life had value. Well, I still do with the exception that life called Jimmy Carter.

payback time for jimmah
of course he pays tribute to the killers and terrorists in the M/E. He has been in the bag for the oil sheiks for years and has recieved millions to be their boy in america.

After leaving the presidentcy his first wanted to visit arafat and always thought he was a major player for peace in the region. When old aids arafat got on the outs with his muslim buddies for supporting saddam and his invasion of kuwait, who came to his aid and contacted his muslim masters to again send cash arafat's way. It was good old jimmah.

What would terrorists and tinpot dictators be without their america hating buddy, the peanut man to give them cover. Jimmah shouldn't be denied a passport, he should be required to be registered as an agent of unfriendly govts and should be confined to his phoney carter center in plains and let him conduct his mischief by phone and let the country monitor the killers he likes to hoibnob with.

Indeed, Carter may fail
But knuckle draggers need to remember, all missionaries have to gain the trust of those they would seek to convert.

Missionary my a$$...
Carter knows as much about Jesus as Atilla the Hun! Carter the classic narcissistic liberal cares only about himself.

Bleeding Heart Liberal
You are correct in that our efforts to have peace between Israel and its neighbors has failed and that we should try something different. However, we have a problem because Israel wants peace and Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. do not.

So what can be done besides Israel having a strong defense (and willing to use it) and building a fence? Exactly how does one broker peace between groups when only one of the players really wants it?

Poo-Poo
Why isn't Sue Myrick running for POTUS? she's got the balls - errrr understanding and fortitude - to recognize the harm Carter is doing and to recommend appropriate action. I'd vote for her in a heartbeat!

The problem is, the pols of every stripe are excusing Carter because of his age (stopping just short of identifying his senility).

Carter betrayed America as president, and he is betraying our country, our brave military men & women, our friends, and he is giving aid-&-comfort to terrorists (& by extension to those "brave" Muslims who died on 9-11).

Bleeding Heart Liberal
You FINALLY wrote something with "meat" (all missionaries must first gain the trust of those they wish to convert). You got that right, although you probably didn't intend it.

Radicals gained Carter's trust by helping him believe he was the greatest president ever - then, they converted him to their way of thinking.

Rectal-cranial inversion?
There's nothing wrong with Carter that a good cranial enema won't cure. I try to see things his way but I can't get my head that far up my colon.

-Ray

Carter
"You should never give in to the terrorists; you should never accept their demands, but you should never be the ones refusing to talk,"

Very true

Follow the money
These days loyalty to ones country is for sale.
You can bet that the majority of the liberal left are for sale, even if it's over the blood of our fallen. They don't care, it's how to get theirs socked away. It's all about them. This jerk also sold the Panama Canal and who is in control now in OUR Hemisphere? The Chicom's.
And the sad thing is, this jerk will be entitled to a state funeral with all the trappings as if he is a figure of respect.
Who is to say he wasn't on the payroll of our enemies in the White House? And his ineptitude wasn't so much stupidity but cupidity.

Carter
One wonders if his treason isn't merely more of Amy's foreign policy?
Remember when his daughter wrote a letter to the USSR leader? and the press gushed over her? how many others has he infected?

Bleeding Heart Liberal
"all missionaries have to gain the trust of those they would seek to convert."

True enough, and I can think of plenty of reasons not to trust Carter.

For that matter, I also have difficulty trusting someone who claims that he didn't know he might be sent off to war when he enlisted in the Marines. Remember who that was?

bleeding heart etc etc.
I see why you're bleeding- all those self inflicted wounds

As the British might say...

He's "an 'orrible little man!"

Gretchen
Or as Jed Clampett might have said, Carter is pitiful! Jest pitiful!

peanut brain
I always wondered where the term ‘peanut-brain’ came from.
Now I know.

What an idiot. Why doesn’t he just go away….
Like some of those old loser liberal Hollywood has beens
that come out of their holes every so often for some ‘cause’.
He’s like a nasty wart that keeps coming back.

It never ceases to amaze me how far someones
self-righteous ego can take them sometimes.

He’s certainly affirming his legacy as
a completely vile, decrepit moron.

And quite the poster boy for the
liberal left dumbocrats…….

Hondo said
"You should never give in to the terrorists; you should never accept their demands, but you should never be the ones refusing to talk,"

Very true."

Talk about what? How they are going to destroy Israel. What some of you liberals seem to be missing is that when you are involved in "negotiations" or "mediations", usually the head negotiator or mediator tries to find the "middle ground" and then gets the two sides as close as possible to that middle ground. The problem with the nuts in the M/E is this - where do you go with your negotiation when their opening salvo is "Israel must be bombed off the map". Honestly, where do you go from there?

They are so full of hate they see nothing else. Until they are ready and able to denounce such hate and admit that Israel has a legit place in this world, and that the whole world does not need to be Muslim in order for it to be a good world, then we can go from there, including talking about any alleged "injustices" the general Muslim population of the world has suffered at anyone else's hands. But when these people think that the legit way to air grievances is to strap bombs to themselves, their women and their babies, I'm sorry, there is nothing to talk about.

Love the headline -
Love the article.

Boutte
But if we tried to get rid of any of those leaders like we did with Saddam, you'd cry that it was the "wrong war and the wrong time".

Yes, our government has made some strange bedfellows, I'll agree. But what would YOU do with Mushareff, Qaddafi, Mubarak and the Saudi Princes?

It's nice when you can offer an alternative to the discussion rather than just blast the other side. If the UN can't do anything about the horrible stuff that goes on in this world, what are they for? Nothing, that's right. So US goes in (and granted not in all the places I'd like to see them go in) and then we get yelled at for it. By whom? The UN. Yeah right, that's legit. The liberals. Ha! The Europeans. Ha ha! (Who created the mess that the Third World is in right now? And who has to be the one to clean it up?)

So let's hear your foreign policy, Mr./Ms. Know-it-All.

Passport
This revocation should occur while he's out of the country, let him live with our enemies he deserves it.

Go away, Jimmuh, go away
Jimmuh, not GHWB, presided over the real "worst economy in the last 50 years." Gasoline shortages, stagflation, the Iranian hostage situation, & him doing his Mr. Rogers impression in a sweater on TV, chiding us about the "malaise."

He thinks he's a Middle East peacemaking genius just because he once loaned his vacation home (Camp David) to Begin & Sadat to negotiate peace b/t Israel & Egypt, when both countries in fact wanted it, so big whoop.

Of course the pop media talking heads & assorted elitists always kept insisting Yassir Arafat was the rep & go-to man for the Palestinians, until a couple yrs before he went to collect his virgins. They said we had to keep 'negotiating' with him & treat him like a player, even tho he never kept his word. Jimmuh might just be basking in those golden memories.

Guess he doesn't really care much about his 'legacy.' All he had to do was keep his mouth shut & keep building Habitat For Humanity houses, & a whole generation would have started thinking of him as an elder statesman instead of the biggest moron ever to infest the Presidency. (his successor Waco Willie qualifying for biggest traitor & criminal instead) But nooo-ooo-ooo, he's gotta pop out of his box & run his mouth & kiss up to terrorists.

How about revoke his PP
and bring him up on charges...
The Logan Act
"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

New parody on Carter
My Blog.

Myrick for President!
Although I've never lived in or even near North Carolina, I've been aware of Sue Myrick for years and have always been a great admirer of hers. Enough so, in fact, that whenever I've been asked by someone to name a woman I would consider voting for to become president, Myrick's name has long been on my short list. After reading this article, I only wish Myrick had challenged this year's Republican primary field; she'd have had my vote for sure!

I'm with you Diana
Great article! And great sentiment!!

jimmah cawtah
has there been one dictator that america's worst hater and anti-semite ex-president hasn't been a mouthpiece for. The only way jimmah would have been a loyal american would have been if some dictator had overthrown the republic and jimmah would have felt honored to praise the demise of this country

Ladykrystna
Boutte's foreign policy is this as follows:

Destroy Israel

Kill every Jew on Earth

If you don't believe me, keep your eyes peeled on every TH article that has to do with the ME, Jews, Israel, or even a miscellaneous article written by a Jew here. He awaits and attacks anything having to do with Jews. He's our token anti-semite.

Shells wrote:
“He (Boutte) awaits and attacks anything having to do with Jews. He's our token anti-semite.”

Thanks Shells for the plug for my boy Boutte! BTW, he probably resents being called a TOKEN anti-Semite, I know I would.

(“semite” should be capitalized thusly: anti-Semite.)

Is
Jimmy auditioning for Secretary of State should Obama (God forbid) get to the White House? They should work well together, one a socalled Christian who hates Israel and Jews, and someone who says he's Christian and member of a White
racist, Israel and Jew hating church. One with a relative that burnt Christians alive in their church in Kenya, middle name Hussein, getting endorsements from Hamas. O yeah, tell me about it.

Liberal Dimwit writes......
"all missionaries have to gain the trust of those they would seek to convert."

Carter is not there to convert the paleostinians, he is there to encourage them. Do you know what typically happens to a muslim in the ME that converts?

March on useful idiot.

Moral retard writes.....
----But for an ex-president to talk, informally and without strings, to representatives of the democratically elected majority party in Palestine- oh dear no, Israel might not like it!----

I could see carter during WWII, while the bombs were dropping, wanting to have tea and talks with hitler and the Third Reich, after all, they were democratically elected.

By the way moron, there is no "palestine." Tell me stupid, what is the capital of this mythical nation? I understand a historically illiterate baboon like you has no idea that all inhabitants of Israel [Jews, Christains, Druze and Muslims] were referred to as palestinians.

Carter
Why not just revoke his passport and make the twit stay in the country he hates?

barry

Bleeding heart
writes that righties are knuckledraggers. I'd say liberals have evolved into possessing extra large rectal cavities.

Geez....
Is this guy EVER going to die???? He has some sort of pathalogical need to be noticed. The absolutely worst president of the 20th century, maybe ever, and he will not embark on that big sleep.

Gerald Ford. Now there was a class act... never heard from him except in a kind thoughtful way. He would die of course.

Carter and Clinton will be with us forever. What a pair to draw to.

Jimmy the Freak
Hate him. Always have, always will. I was 11 years old when he went in to the White House and even then I knew there was something wrong with him. I could not figure out even then how someone so down on America could be elected. I remember arguing with other students who were crazy over him at the time, but what did I know? Well, in retrospect, it seems my young, uninformed opinion of him was right. By the way, when Reagan began to run and I heard him talk, I very quickly decided i liked the way he looked at our country. Oh well, here it is 32 years later and the peanut brained moron still keeps hating our country and undermining and damaging it. I hate Jimmy C, and always will.

Satan
"I understand a historically illiterate baboon like ..."

You poor pathetic person. Is that the best you
can do?

ladykrystyna
Sounds like you have communication issues.

Carter said the two Hamas officials indicated that they would accept a peace agreement with Israel if the plan were approved through "a referendum of the Palestinian community."


In Defense of Carter
As a libertarian, I don't think the US should be supporting either side in the impossible situation in the Middle East. Having said that, I think the hysterical outrage shown against Jimmy Carter is much more an indication of the insanity of the Imperial Greatness right wing, than of any problem with Jimmy Carter.

What is Carter's great crime? He actually talked--TALKED!--with representatives of HAMAS. HAMAS is an organization supported mostly by the Saudis, whose leaders G W Bush is known to hold hands with. Diana West couldn't resist mentioning Iran's support of HAMAS, although that support is minor and may no longer be happening, as HAMAS is an explicitly Sunni organization, while Iran is Shi'ite. But, since the Imperialist wings of the Republican and Democratic parties want war with Iran, the word is out to slam Iran at all costs.

This may be hard for pro-Israel zombies to comprehend, but there really are legitimate grievances on the Palestinian side. I know--forgive me!--this is "forbidden thought" among "American Greatness" imperialists.

In Israel, Jews are granted instantaneous citizenship under the "Law of Return." No such instantaneous citizenship is granted to Palestinians, even though they and their families have lived in the Levant for thousands of years. They must instead apply for citizenship, take tests, wait years, and then perhaps they will be granted citizenship. Thus Palestinians are second-class citizens (at best) in their own country.

The only way the Israeli-Palestinian issue will be solved will be through both sides talking. The history of the past half-century shows that violence--from both sides--has not solved anything. Carter, knowing he would be excoriated for daring to TALK to the other side, nonetheless did so. I think that took a lot of moral courage.

Catscratchfever
"Carter knows as much about Jesus as Atilla the Hun! Carter the classic narcissistic liberal cares only about himself."

***

You couldn't be more wrong, in my humble opinion.
Boutte speaks the truth: "This is the process Jimmy Carter is trying to midwife, risking his neck when most men would be dribbling down their bibs in a sunset home."

If there is one thing about liberals - above all
else - it is that they do not care only about
ourselves. I believe you must be thinking about
the my, me, mine conservatives.

oops
make that either "they do not care only about themselves" or "we do not care only about ourselves."

It drives me crazy when I have typed an entire line before it actually shows up on the page.
Can't Garfield, or whoever the heck he is,
make some improvements on this website with all
his pop up ad income?

great satan
"By the way moron, there is no "palestine." Tell me stupid, what is the capital of this mythical nation? I understand a historically illiterate baboon like you has no idea that all inhabitants of Israel [Jews, Christains, Druze and Muslims] were referred to as palestinians."

***

Just what do you think you have proved by your abominable language except that you do a pretty darn good job of living up to your name.

And for your information, your definition is not
all that on-the-mark. Palestinians have been and
can be inclusive of many people but generally
it is accepted to mean Arab speaking people who live in Palestine or have origins in Palestine.
The PLO does not include Jews that I have ever heard of. And the Palestinian National Authority
is for the areas of the Gaza Strip and the West
Bank, not Tel Aviv and Natanya.

Diana , are you a racist zionist ?
04.15.2008 Haaretz editorial


It is doubtful whether it is possible to complain when an outside observer, especially a former U.S. president who is well versed in international affairs, sees in the system of separate roads for Jews and Arabs, the lack of freedom of movement, Israel's control over Palestinian lands and their confiscation, and especially the continued settlement activity, which contravenes all promises Israel made and signed, a matter that cannot be accepted. The interim political situation in the territories has crystallized into a kind of apartheid that has been ongoing for 40 years. In Europe there is talk of the establishment of a binational state in order to overcome this anomaly. In the peace agreement with Egypt, 30 years ago, Israel agreed to "full autonomy" for the occupied territories, not to settle there.

These promises have been forgotten by Israel, but Carter remembers.

lookout members of ADL and AJC, etc...
and bring him up on charges...
The Logan Act
"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

Paolo, Boutte, viruddh, et. al.

'I never do anything unintentionally, even if it looks unintentional."
-- Jimmy Carter to reporters, February, 1976

"I see nothing wrong with *ETHNIC PURITY* being maintained." (Emphasis added.)
-- Jimmy Carter, April, 1976

Had I been elected to a second term,

OOPS! Hit the wring key

To continue:

"Had I been elected to a second term, with the prestige, and authority and influence and reputation I had in the region, we could have moved to a *FINAL SOLUTION*" (Emphasis added.)
-- Jimmy Carter, Geneva, December, 2003

"...discussion about the *FINAL SOLUTION* of the Jewish question which took place in Berlin, am Grossen Wannsee No. 56/58 on 20 January 1942."
(Emphasis added.)
-- From the English text of the Wansee Protocol, prepared for the Nuemburg trials after WW II. The phrase *FINAL SOLUTION* occurs throughout the document.

I'm not saying that Carter was a Nazi, but his choice of phrase is certainly interesting, especially considering his visceral hatred of Israel.

Gretchen , this is more objective
NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: Well, I agree with the statement that there is very little dispute nowadays amongst serious historians and rational people about the facts. There is pretty much a consensus on what happened during what you can call the foundational period, from the first Zionist settlements at the end of the 19th century 'til 1948. There, there is pretty much of a consensus. And I think Mr. Ben-Ami, in his first 50 pages, accurately renders what that consensus is.

I would just add a couple of points he makes, but just to round out the picture. He starts out by saying that the central Zionist dilemma was they wanted to create a predominantly Jewish state in an area which was overwhelmingly not Jewish, and he cites the figure, I think 1906 there were 700,000 Arabs, 55,000 Jews, and even of those 55,000 Jews, only a handful were Zionists. So that's the dilemma. How do you create a Jewish state in area which is overwhelmingly not Jewish?

Now, the Israeli historian Benny Morris, at one point, he said there are only two ways you can resolve this dilemma. One, you can create what he called the South African way, that is, create a Jewish state and disenfranchise the indigenous population. That's one way. The second way is what he calls the way of transfer. That is, you kick the indigenous population out, basically what we did in North America.

part 2 Gretchen


Now, as Mr. Ben-Ami correctly points out, by the 1930s the Zionist movement had reached a consensus that the way to resolve the dilemma is the way of transfer. You throw the Palestinians out. You can't do that anytime, because there are moral problems and international problems. You have to wait for the right moment. And the right moment comes in 1948. Under the cover of war, you have the opportunity to expel the indigenous population.

I was kind of surprised that Mr. Ben-Ami goes beyond what many Israeli historians acknowledge. Someone like Benny Morris will say, "Yes, Palestinians were ethnically cleansed in 1948.” That's Benny Morris's expression. But he says it was an accident of war. There are wars, people get dispossessed. Mr. Ben-Ami, no, he will go further. He said you can see pretty clearly that they intended to expel the Palestinians. The opportunity came along, and they did so. Now, those are the facts.

So where do we disagree? I think where we disagree is on responsibility. It's not just a question of moral responsibility. It's not simply a question of tragedy or sadness. It's a question of law, international law. What are your obligations if you are a member state of the United Nations, for example? Now, under international law, refugees are entitled to return to their homes once the battlefield conflict has died down. And Mr. Ben-Ami was absolutely correct. He said the key moment comes in the Israel-Palestine conflict, not when the Palestinians are expelled, but when, after the war, Israel refused to allow the Palestinians back.

At that point, he says, here is a problem, or a problem arises, and the way he puts the problem is we have two conflicting issues. On the one hand, there is what he calls the Zionist ethos. They want a Jewish state. On the other hand, you have the Palestinian refugees, who have a right to return. And for Mr. Ben-Ami, this is an intractable conflict: the Zionist ethos versus the refugees.


part Gretchen


But there is a third factor. The factor is international law. And under international law, the Palestinians have the right to return. Now, I am not arguing now for a right of return. I acknowledge it's a complicated problem. But we have to be honest about the rights and the wrongs and the question of rights and wrongs. It was a wrong inflicted on the Palestinians, and it was their right, their right. This is not a tragedy, and this is not about morals. It's about legal rights. Their right to return was denied. How do you resolve that problem? I admit, it's difficult. But we have to be clear about rights and wrongs, because that's going to become, in my opinion, the main problem when we come to Camp David. Whose rights were being denied during the Camp David/Taba negotiations?

Joseph

Your posts are quite interesting, but I think you missed my points, to whit: Mr. Carter sees absolutely nothing wrong with *ETHNIC PURITY* or a *FINAL SOLUTION*.

Rather than further quoting the Wannsee Protocol *AD NAUSEUM*, you might want to take a peek at it yourself. You can find it at:

http://remember.org/wannsee.html






And another thing...

"Jimmah" has been hugging and kissing Hamas leaders. Kinda reminds me of the time he planted a couple of great big wet ones on Leonid Brezhnev.

Begin,Shamir,Sharon were terrorists also
There must be a final solution to this conflict .
Having read and listened to discussions regarding the colonization of Palestine by european Jews since
the early 1900s, leads me to think that President Carter has taken upon himself a difficult task. However, as far as I am concerned there can only be two alternatives:

1. that Israel withdraw to the prewar 1967 borders which would mean a two state solution or

2. one man one vote just like in South Africa

If there is no progress towards one of these solutions, then there will have to be an embargo against Israel. This is intolerable that Palestinians could be kicked out of the lands that they inhabited for a couple of thousand years because european Jewish settlers kicked them out. Attacking President Carter is not the answer. Intelligent people the world over respect him as a decent man. I voted for Reagan but I voted for Reagan based on domestic economic policy. President Reagan continued the work that President Carter began with the Camp David Accords. In my opinion President Carter has been an above average ex-President. The best in my lifetime and i was born in 1961.


Joseph

Let me see, you were born in 1961, Carter assumed the office of President in 1977 -- that would make you 16 at the time. I guess you were too caught up in your schoolwork to notice the gas lines due to the OPEC oil embargo, stagflation, sky-high interest rates, etc. etc. etc. I'm of an age where I *DO* remember those "halcyon" days.

Yes, we are in a recession now, but I doubt things will reach the sorry pass they were in during the Carter years.

By the bye, you seem to have not just *ONE* bee in your bonnet about Israel, but rather a whole *HIVE* of them!

(Oh, and I daresay George III regarded Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Payne, et. al. as terrorists.)

Listen to the Shah
If you want a better insight into what is happening and has happened in the Middle East, read Answer to History by Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi. He finally caught on (too late obviously) about Carter and the Western ideas for the Middle East.

Gretchen
My vote for Reagan was my first vote. I remember the first two years of Reagan also. I remeber the debates very well. I remember Gov. Reagan referring to the " misery index". We went thru an economic cycle. A couple of weeks ago George Stiglitz gave a summary of that period and compared it to the present economic situtation.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The British Governement places a 48,000 lb.reward on Begin's head for murdering British soldiers. Quite frankly, I have more empathy for those British soldiers than I do for Begin, Shamir, and most definitely Sharon. If you find it so shocking or at least want everyone else to be shocked that President Carter would meet with Hamas or pay tribute to Yasser Arafat, then we should be shocked that President Carter would meet with Begin, Shamir, etc... and yet these terrorist were guests at the White House.







Joseph

Those same British who placd a L48,000 reward on Begin's head are kind of responsible for Israel's existence in the firat place.

The 1917 Balfour Declaration made public the British support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. In 1922 the League of Nations entrusted the UK with the Palestine Mandate. I guess things went down hill from there.

Interesting, no?

Bravo, Joseph, here's more.
Even more legally binding than the Balfour Declaration itself is the International Court of Justice Advisory Opinion of 2004 "Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory". This document says Israel is GUILTY of human rights violations against the Palestinian people, and demands that they not only stop, but REPAY the Palestinian people for their losses. Nations investing in Israel

"...are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction; all States parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 have in addition the obligation, while respecting the United Nations Charter and international law, to ensure compliance by Israel with international humanitarian law as embodied in that Convention."

Bravo, Joseph (con't)
Diana West & others who incite such hatred toward Hamas, toward Iran, toward the Muslim world-- PLEASE do your homework. Have not our OWN illegal, immoral, inflammatory actions caused the entire Arab world to retaliate? WHO I say WHO is the aggressor? Frankly, the rhetoric in mainstream media about Iran is so much like the hatred stirred up by the Nazi media against the Jews! "They" are plotting our destruction! We gotta get them first! "They" have nuclear weapons! (as if we don't...?) "They" are arming Hamas! "They" are arming Iraqi insurgents! We gotta obliterate them! AND WE WILL! (says Hillary)

In Rwanda leading up to the genocide of '94, hate messages JUST LIKE THESE were widely broadcast on national radio. The similarities are chilling. Don't think that because we're a supposedly free people (no matter where you live), that your media & gov't are above using propaganda for their own ends! It is happening here, in the U.S., with every news report, every op-ed piece like this one.

Google videos by Robert Fisk, John Pilger, Chalmers Johnson. Use the Internet. Get the REAL picture.

Jimmy
I am so thankful for the internet. I almost wasted money buying West's book. It looked like a good subject, but a nut is a nut.

Per Carter - one of his most offensive statements ( ie Israel is an apartheid state ) is actually supported by more than one Israeli scholar. Doesn't anyone remember how the nasty Iranians held the hostages until they knew Jimmy had lost to that wonderful Reagan. The Islamofascists - oops the jihadists for this crowd - seem to prefer the Repubs to the Dems - go figure.

Carter
"Carter, in my opinion, was one of the nation's finest presidents when it came to the environment; in particular, he deserves kudos for throwing the weight of his administration behind the Alaska Lands bill. I think his now-tarnished reputation will improve with time and better understanding of the unpredictable and intractable events that plagued his ill-starred presidency. True, his patient course did not free hostages in Iran. Yet his control of the executive branch looks positively inspired -- and aboveboard -- when compared with the criminal chaos that resulted when President Reagan turned the 'cowboys' on his National Security staff loose in the Iran-contra affair."

-- Morris K. Udall (U.S. Rep. (Dem.) Ariz. 1961-1991), "Too Funny to be President" (Henry Holt & Co. 1988), at page 143.
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