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Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why I Came to Honduras
by Dennis Prager
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"Why have you come to Honduras?"

That is the question posed to me by Hondurans, surprised that anyone from the outside world, let alone from the media, cares enough to now visit their small country (population 8 million), a country that they themselves consider relatively insignificant.

The question is a valid one. The U.S. State Department has issued a travel alert (through July 29) warning Americans against coming here. There are very few outsiders here now. The plane from Houston to San Pedro Sula, Honduras' second largest city, was almost empty, and the few passengers were nearly all Hondurans. The hotels are largely empty.

It is all eerily reminiscent of Jerusalem during the height of the Intifada terror. I went there then for the same reason I have come to Honduras now -- to broadcast my show and thereby show solidarity with an unfairly isolated country, and to encourage, by example, people to visit Israel then and Honduras now.

Honduras has joined Israel as a pariah nation. The United Nations has condemned Honduras by a vote of acclamation, and the Organization of American States has suspended it.

The way in which nearly all the world's media portray the legal, Supreme Court-ordered ouster of President Manuel (Mel) Zelaya is one major reason for the universal opprobrium. Because military men took part in the deportation of the sitting president, it has been portrayed as a classic Latin American "military coup," and who can support a military coup?

The lack of context in which this ouster took place has prevented the vast majority of the world's news watchers and readers from understanding what has happened.

I wonder how many people who bother to read the news -- as opposed to only listen to or watch news reports -- know:

-- Zelaya was plotting a long-term, possibly lifetime, takeover of the Honduran government through illegally changing the Honduran Constitution.

-- Zelaya had personally led a mob attack on a military facility to steal phony "referendum" ballots that had been printed by the Venezuelan government.

-- Weeks earlier, in an attempt to intimidate the Honduran attorney general -- as reported by The Wall Street Journal's Mary Anastasia O'Grady, one of the only journalists in the world who regularly reports the whole story about Honduras -- "some 100 agitators, wielding machetes, descended on the attorney general's office. 'We have come to defend this country's second founding,' the group's leader reportedly said. 'If we are denied it, we will resort to national insurrection.'"

-- No member of the military has assumed a position of power as a result of the "military coup."

-- Zelaya's own party, the Liberal Party, supported his removal from office and deportation from Honduras.

-- The Liberal Party still governs Honduras.

The United States is threatening to suspend all aid to one of the three poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere in order to force that country -- against its own laws and with the inevitable violence it would entail -- to allow Zelaya back as president.

Yet, no Honduran I talked to said he or she wanted Honduras to cave in to the American financial threat. "We will tighten our belts," one man struggling to make a living told me. Indeed, what is happening is that Hondurans are coming to realize that American aid -- even purely humanitarian aid -- comes with strings.

In our increasingly morally confused -- i.e., left-wing influenced -- world, even America is having a harder and harder time distinguishing between right and wrong as it comes to value realpolitik and a desire to be loved, from Iran to Venezuela to Honduras, more than it values liberty. To the extent that Americans will be loved, it will be thanks to supporting liberty and thanks to the work of American charities such as Cure International, with its pediatric orthopedic hospital here and in other impoverished places (www.cureinternational.org).

Let there be no ambiguity here. Little Honduras was supposed to be the next country to lose its liberties as it joined the anti-American, pro-Iranian Latin American left. But Little Honduras decided to fight back. And this has infuriated Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, who will surely attempt to foment violence in Honduras.

Therefore, if you love liberty, you will do whatever you can do help Honduras resist Chavez and his allies, which include the United Nations and Organization of American States.

There are many ways to do that. Buy Honduran goods. Write your representatives in Washington to back the present, law-based Honduran government. And, yes, even visit this friendly beleaguered place. When the world's governments isolate a country, with few exceptions, that's all you need to know about who the good guys are.

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Obama and freedom
Obama and Hilary Clinton are giving everyone an inside look of what they think of freedom, democracy, and the rule of law. If they don't support it elsewhere, why expect them to defend it here?

Cheers for Dennis!
Awesome move. You instintively did what so many others could have done and didn't.

The Leftist international press had such a free ride in reporting this whole story to the outside world because there was nobody else on the ground down there. For instance, even FoxNews was running 'Coup' headlines off of biased AP Wire and I was throwing pillows at the TV. More recently, the international press is quoting numbers from what is, without doubt, a frauduent poll result.
Conversely, Honduras media and Honduras people have been all over this media sham in separating Truth from bias.
See the videos that the international media did not want you to see:
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http://youtube.com/SupportHonduras
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The people of Honduras have spoken. Now let them be heard by the world!

Cheers for Dennis!
Awesome move. You instintively did what so many others could have done and didn't.

The Leftist international press had such a free ride in reporting this whole story to the outside world because there was nobody else on the ground down there. For instance, even FoxNews was running 'Coup' headlines off of biased AP Wire and I was throwing pillows at the TV. More recently, the international press is quoting numbers from what is, without doubt, a frauduent poll result.
Conversely, Honduras media and Honduras people have been all over this media sham in separating Truth from bias.
See the videos that the international media did not want you to see:
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youtube dot com /SupportHonduras
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The people of Honduras have spoken. Let us help them be heard!

Bless You, Dennis

You have proven yourself braver than the weakest president that we have EVER had. At least, Jimmy Carter served this Country.

He is a loser, who sides with Marxists, Dictators, Communists, and Totalitarians.

Bless you, Dennis, and please stay safe.

The Rest of the Story
This is not going to slip by the notice of average US citizens. There are too many other ways to get the news out than just the big shots in media. Prager's broadcast on location being one. And it does not put Obama and crew in any light but bad.

Mr. Prager
You neglected to mention where in the Honduran constitution is says the supreme curt can order the army to oust a sitting president.

That is because it doesn't say it anywhere.

The remedy for a misbehaving president is impeachment, the same as in the US. I agree that Zelaya is a bad guy, but why stage a coup when they could have impeached him? No one wants to see a return to coups as a remedy for bad government. I am sure you remember the Bush administrations embarassment for supporting Hugo Chavez' coup, only to be overruled by AOS.

Bored with Misinformation #!
"We will not obey the Supreme Court," the president told cheering supporters in front of the presidential offices.
This is quote from before the removal of Zelaya. Here is the source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8120161.stm
Google it. This behavior by a President would challenge any Constitutional Republic. All balance of powers built into any Consititution are damaged. This was intentional act consistent with Zeyala's goal to be the sole authority in Honduras government, including matters of Law. People need to stop applying US notions to the Honduras Constitution. It is intended to be dictator-proof. And fortunately so.
Article 239 specifically states reason for which the President would IMMEDIATELY be removed from his powers, and certainly the Supreme Court is the intended body to affirm that. Clearly, Immediate does not infer "remain in office during some unspecified Impeachment process" Honduras has no Impeachment process in their Constitution. The intent of the Honduras Consitution allows the Honduras Supreme Court to wield power and good faith to prevent dictators. There is no high bar of proof as the Constitution uses a pair of phrases in this Article- 'violates this law or PROPOSES its reform' - and 'as well as those who support such violation directly or INDIRECTLY'. Zelaya can receive his due process in his defense of criminal charges, but not remain in office after violating his Oath of Office inclusive of those infractions.

Bored with Misinformation #2
The arrest warrant of the President is the proper next procedures for Zelaya's violations. The military is charged with protecting the Constitution and public order in Article 272. They have the power to remove the President. The military charge to maintain the peace and public order was reasonable justification to remove the President from the nation, as Zeyala was leading mob raids and was believed to have already brought in foreign thugs to support his preparations to overthrow the Judiciary and Legislative branches. There is even an Article 42 that specifies revocation of Citizenship for his acts. There are no grounds that he cannot be removed from the state under the circumstances. In Honduras, all the power is in the Constitution and none with Zelaya in enacting his 'reforms'. He lost. He should have read the Constitution before he took his Oath.

Station
I believe Kejac just handed you your head!

Hillary Clinton and Hugo Obama
Hillary Clinton and Hugo Obama want power similar to Zelaya in Latin America. Their rapid response to the Honduran situation tells it all. We here in the USA are the ones who should be afraid for our own liberty.

The Hard Truth
It'll be interesting to see what MelZel does next, after the 'negotiations' in Costa Rica fail to 'restore' him to power.

The Hondurans have come too far and Obama's got way too many headaches already to add this one to the list.

He'll order the MSM to just quietly let this story slip through the cracks into obscurity because everyday freedom loving Americans learn more about this....meaning the WHOLE story (sans Leftist spin) they awaken a little more from their slumber.

Keep up the good work Dennis....we'll take care of the trolls back here in the USA.

P.S. Excellent work KeJac in NC...stay on it.


Good for Honduras
Still, we need to cut aid 100% and keep it that way. America is bankrupt and we're still, like clockwork, borrowing money to send all over the world. Honduras would be better off without American freebies flowing in all the time. Just like how welfare ruins individuals in America, welfare ruins entire nations overseas.

I support what Honduras is doing, but in words only. Officially, we need to stay out of it, what is happening in Honduras is up to the Hondurans to sort out, not America. All America should do is recognize whatever government the people of Honduras choose for themselves, not do what Obama is doing and demanding the reinstatement of a criminal. Anything beyond that is something America should not do.

Thanks Dennis
Thanks Dennis for the great move in putting on your show in Honduras. Myself and many other expats living in Honduras are pleased that you are supporting the people of Honduras and their bid to keep the constitution alive.
The undercurrent of subversion is alive and well in Honduras with alba trying to buy the hearts and minds of the poor.
Chavez and his ilk will continue to work to undermine the position of the constitutionalists until the whole Mel issue is resolved and probably thereafter.
Chavez with his petro dollars is a very powerful influence in Honduras but the Honduran people have taken the first step in maintaining their independence as a country by the removal of chavalaya.
Honduras "The little country that could" Viva Honduras

Liberals are abject cowards
that love dictators

This is no surprise.

Liberals do not support Freedom for the American people. Why should anyone expect them to support freedom anywhere else on the globe.

History's Worst Sales Pitch
Come to Honduras. Hugo Chavez is threatening violence. The U.S. State Dept has issued a travel warning. The military forcefully and extrajudiciously removed and exiled the president. Come visit Honduras.

Instead of Bob Marley singing a gentle song about peace and love in the background, you can have a Marilyn Manson tune.

Mr. Prager
Great column. The left always loves a tyrant. I will look for goods from Honduras and suport it with some calls to my Sen. and Rep. from MN.
To JamesB: Very true, as they are the dictators.
Kirk

Thanks to Dennis
for always standing up for what is right

May we follow the Hondurans
We also have a tyrant wannabe who is shredding our Constitution and daily increasing his stranglehold on our nation. Obama lives a lie: saying soothing words while feverishly dismantling our democratic republic. The Republicans are like the French: waving white flags and refusing to fight back.

Americans had better wake up before Obama and his 36 czars, who are accountable to no one but Obama, and take our country back. The Hondurans have shown the way. We need to have the courage to follow their example while we still can!

Obama sees himself in Zelaya
We also have a tyrant wannabe who is shredding our Constitution and daily increasing his stranglehold on our nation. Obama lives a lie: saying soothing words while feverishly dismantling our democratic republic. The Republicans are like the French: waving white flags and refusing to fight back.

Americans had better wake up before Obama and his 36 czars, who are accountable to no one but Obama, finish the butchery. We must take our country back. The Hondurans have shown the way. We need to have the courage to follow their example while we still can!

Thank you Dennis
How can Democrats support Obama when he is slow to support the citizens of Iran against a rigged election (Iran didn't allow any international election monitors) and then supports a guy who wants to end Democracy in Honduras.

I guess the answer is they are Socialists, Communists and Facists. I'd be ashamed to be a Democrat that supports Obama's positions on Iran and Honduras.

Station
I wait with bated (baited?) breath for your rebuttal or retraction of your assertion. Which is it? Man up!!

Oh Dennis
I've seen film of some pretty upset citizens down there in Honduras. They were upset that their president was kidnapped and deported. That's not how transitions of power are supposed to take place. If Obama were deported to Costa Rica by the military and Nancy Pelosi were appointed president I would call that a coup.

You're telling me that you didn't talk to anyone who supports Zalaya? I'm sorry but that's just not believable. It's clear that you're biased in your "reporting". Try thinking like a journalist and give us the whole story.

Prager is pathologically partisan. Everything he says should be taken in that context.

Phylo out.

WOW
Stop the presses, Phylout has seen film! Prager is partian ON AN EXPLICITLY PARTISAN WEBSITE. Oh the humanity!

Partisan
oops.

We are all cowards!
We as Americans have gave away our liberty a long time ago. As long as this goverment gives
free this and free that we are happy to give them back our freedom! We also are more than happy to send our sons and daughters to fight and die for others freedoms and hope everything will be safe. The Bible quote "the people will cry for the mountians to cover them" is being fulfilled today! People world wide are wanting their governments to do to them what they protesting other governments are doing to their people. Get the pitch forks and torchs ready
before it's to late, I pray we still have time, time to rush to our voteing booths and reclaim our liberty before it's gone!

phylo
Even you should be able to wrap your mind around the reality that Zelaya was attempting to place himself in power for life. He attempted to do so the legal way and when that failed he attempted to use illegal means. Have you heard Dennis or any other conservative demand that Honduras place a right wing leader in power? And you won't. The people should decide and it is clear that most Hondurans were against this lifetime self appointment by Zelaya. Certainly you can find clusters of sign carrying "supporters" shown on TV by a media that stopped caring about the truth long ago.

Freedom and US constitution
Mr Prager:Thank you for going against our governemnt's orders to stay away. I think we need to get our supreme court to do the same thing in this country. We will have no constitution left in two years if something is not done to stop this craziness in congres and Mr. Obama.
Linda in SC

Justin
Yes you have been called to stay out of it. Because we all know when you stay out of it the good guys always win. After all what is tyranny? Harmless. If the rest of the world is overcome by tyranny, we can be so proud that you stayed out of it. Prager is not staying out of it. He has something called Courage. Isn't that what it takes to be a real man. Being on the side of righteousness and liberty and having the courage to do so.

Phylo fool
have you not informed yourself as to the facts. Prager has given you some info. Check into it. I'm sure there are those hoping to get something by supporting a dictator. Yes he could probably find supporters of this mad man. But they do have a Constitution. As do we. That must be obeyed.

Shouldn't disobedience to the Constituti
be an impeachable offense? Why do our leaders take an oath to uphold it then turn around and stomp on it and laugh at it's antiquity. Our leaders are an arrogant joke. Hoorah for the Hondurans. We thought we were so superior but we can't even look at our dictator's birth certificate or school records.

Viva La Revolucion!
South American countries have been having coups all my lifetime. Somehow, despite immense resources, they can't get their act together. It must be something in the gene pool. Honduras evidently is trying to block a totalitarian takeover of the country and we conservatives can relate to that because the Obamamites are trying to turn this country into a banana republic.

I seem to remember reading how Brazil with all its massive resources would dominate the Americas. It ain't gonna happen. Central and South Americans love la revolucion.

Look at Cuba under Castro: a glorified prison camp where we would gladly deport Hollywood liberal actors--and some of the bloggers on Town Hall--if we could.

The Anglo Saxons are good at government: the Hispanics are good at revolution. We deify our Reagans and the South Americans worship their Che Guevaras, Castros, Perons,and Chavezs.

I wonder why they are so poor and underdeveloped...Hmm....

Put aside partisanship - see facts
Those on the far left have a deep-seated, emotional need to see Zelaya's removal as an injustice. Those on the far right have a deep-seated, emotional need to see this as a repudiation of Zelaya and other like him. The truth is in-between - see, for example, Miguel Estrada's article at http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-estrada10-2009ju l10,0,1570598.story.

Wow
Prager is really taking the end of the Cold War hard. I would have hoped he would have gotten to the acceptance stage by now.

Support to Honduras
Hi, I am UScitizen and love the US, but I also love the country where I was born. I really appreciate your support. We do not want another Venezuela or Cuba.
Lourdes

Thank you, Lon in PA
Glad you checked in. Say hello to Vladimir and Medvedev for us.

Honduras
Thank you Mr. Prager for coming to Honduras and supporting us. If it has been hard before, I can't imagine now. Most of us don't even know if we'll have money next month to go to the grocery store even though we have jobs, electricity cost is through the roof and we'd rather come to work and go home throughout the week so not to use up gasoline.

Keep on supporting us, I know even though the whole world might forget about us: GOD NEVER WILL!

Thank you and God bless you.

Melissa
We Americans, the ones who still love freedom and opportunity, are proud of the Honduran people. You have opposed tyranny and saved your democracy. You have realized the danger you were in and moved quickly to eliminate that danger. Even though our criminal government here in the US opposes your stand for freedom, the American people support you!

Gracias por mostrar la senda de libertad! Viva la gente de Honduras!

Viva Honduran freedom
The Hondurans applied the constitution and the rule of law in the preservation of their freedom and may they continue to assert their sovereignty.The OAS,the U.N.,and most of all Washington is on the wrong side of this conflict.

Thanks for doing what the press won't
True, the broadcast media generally spun this story along liberal lines. But the print media was little better. I had to do a lot of digging to get the background information you presented here. My local newspaper and many national outlets simply repeated the leftist spin.

Honduran Constitution very different
The Honduran constitution is very different from the US Constitution.

ARTICLE 3 .- No one owes obedience to a usurper government or to those who assume public office or employment by force of arms or by using means or procedures that violate or are unaware of what the Constitution and the laws. Los actos verificados por tales autoridades son nulos. Verified by acts such authorities are zero. el pueblo tiene derecho a recurrir a la insurrección en defensa del orden constitucional. the people have the right to resort to insurrection in defense of constitutional order.

ARTICLE 4 .- The form of government is republican, democratic and representative. Is exercised by three branches: legislative, executive and judicial, and independent and complementary relationship of subordination.

Alternation in the presidency of the Republic is required. Violation of this rule constitutes the crime of treason.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http:// www.honduras.net/honduras_constitution.html&ei=5KlcSt7bMYyM MuWXtK4C&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search% 3Fq%3Dconstitution%2Bof%2Bhonduras%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactiv e%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%2 6hs%3DV2P

They are solid about not wanting someone to manipulate the government and change it.

David

Understanding the differences
I think this article brings out some very good points and I do think the reporting via the media has been typically one sided unless you chose to read or search out different media outlets.
I have different views as I have family in Honduras and I am able to understand both sides personally and politically and have followed this long before the June 28th date that many people learned about Honduras and its political crisis. This was a long time coming.
The Honduran Constitution was written to protect Honduras from something just as this and what came out on June 28th was the fact the Government of Honduras was willing to stand up and protect its Constitutional Rights and its people. The fact it has carried out this long shows Honduras is not willing to be bought out by Chavez, the U.S. or the threats from Zelaya.
What Honduras does need is for people to take the time to understand THEIR Constitution and the fact it is different than the U.S. Constitution. Presidents cannot be impeached. Zelaya gave up his presidency.
What you'll learn is that the Honduran Constitution may be amended in any way except three. No amendment can ever change (1) the country's borders, (2) the rules that limit a president to a single four-year term and (3) the requirement that presidential administrations must "succeed one another" in a "republican form of government."
In addition, Article 239 specifically states that any president who so much as proposes the permissibility of reelection "shall cease forthwith" in his duties, and Article 4 provides that any "infraction" of the succession rules constitutes treason. The rules are so tight because these are terribly serious issues for Honduras, which lived under decades of military rule.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-estrada10-2009jul 10,0,1570598.story

Why did Prager go to Honduras?
To increase his ratings of course.

To Jason
"Why did Prager go to Honduras? To increase his ratings of course."
Why is it you Morons are so predictable. Do you even understand what Prager is writing about or is it too dark where your head is?
At least take a moment to consider that this little country is fighting to uphold it's constitution no matter what the big dogs on the block are doing. Thanks Dennis and Thanks Honduras.

station
Try reading this article from honduras.
http://hondurasnews.com/2009/07/02/what-happened-according- to-the-constitution/
To save you a little trouble-When the president tried to change one of the unchangable parts of the constition, he ceased being president. Here is the end of the article:
"His actions showed intent.
How is that kind of intent sanctioned in our Constitution? With the immediate removal of those involved in the action as stated in article 239 of the Constitution which reads: “No citizen that has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years.” Notice that the rule speaks about intent and that it also says immediately –as in instant, as in no trial required, as in no impeachment needed.
This immediate sanction might sound draconian, but every country knows its own enemies and it is the black letter of our supreme law. Requiring no previous trial might be crazy, but in Latin America a President is no ordinary citizen, it is the most powerful figure of the land and historically the figure has been above the law. To prevent that officer from using its power to stay in office Honduras has constitutional rules such as the mentioned one.
I am extremely proud of my compatriots. Finally, we have decided to stand up and become a country of laws, not men. From now on, here, no one will be above the law."

take over
Neo-Marxists on the move trying to subjugate yet another small country and with the aid of the socialist UN and OAS will probably be successful.
Obama seems intent on backing the dictators on this one.

A Prager Whitewash
The Conservatives continue to spin the Honduras coup story.

But in the end it still comes back to – COUP.

And yet the armchair lawyers can’t hide the fact that the Honduran army’s chief lawyer, Col. Herberth Bayardo Inestroza admitted publicly that top military brass made the call to forcibly remove Zelaya -- and they circumvented laws when they did it.

As reported by the Miami Herald on July 3,

It was the first time any participant in Sunday's overthrow admitted committing an offense and the first time a Honduran authority revealed who made the decision that has been denounced worldwide. ''We know there was a crime there,'' said Inestroza, the top legal advisor for the Honduran armed forces. ``In the moment that we took him out of the country, in the way that he was taken out, there is a crime. Because of the circumstances of the moment this crime occurred, there is going to be a justification and cause for acquittal that will protect us.''

“Top Honduran military lawyer: We broke the law”; by Frances Robles, Miami Herald, July 3, 2009

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1125872 .html

So spin yourself giddy Prager.

But the rest of the world is not buying.

Prager would have us believe that the United Nations, the Organization of American States, the European Union and just about the rest of planet earth are wrong in condemning the COUP in Honduras.

Maybe the Conservatives really believe Newt Gingrich when he said recently:

"I am not a citizen of the world. I think the entire concept is intellectual nonsense and stunningly dangerous!"

Well good luck Martians. And be off with you.

Beam them up Scotty – every last one of those sorry Conservatives!

Thank you
Many thanks for your support Mr. Prager. Your column about Honduras situation is very acurate. We want everyone knows the truth... our ex-president is a criminal and he was taking our country to be a state of Venezuela. We don't want Mel Zelaya back.

The Joint Bishops of Honduras part 1

The Bishops of Honduras have issued a strong statement rejecting the widespread belief that a coup, or a military coup, or an overthrow, or an ouster, etc took place.

Their statement makes it clear that those who continually complain about the lack of impeachment proceedings do not understand the Honduran Constitution. There was no need for formal impeachment proceedings.

The military did not remove a President from the ‘Office of Presidency.’ It EVICTED an ex-President from the presidential palace.

The following is portion of their joint statement in Spanish and in English.

Original:

“Ante la situación de los últimos días, nos remitimos a la información que hemos buscado en las instancias competentes del Estado (la Corte Suprema de Justicia, el Congreso Nacional, el Ministerio Público, el Poder Ejecutivo, Tribunal Supremo Electoral) y muchas organizaciones de sociedad civil.- Todos y cada uno de los documentos que han llegado a nuestras manos, demuestran que las instituciones del Estado democrático hondureño, están en vigencia y que sus ejecutorias en materia jurídico-legal han sido apegadas a derecho.- Los tres poderes del Estado, Ejecutivo, Legislativo y Judicial, están en vigor legal y democrático de acuerdo a la Constitución de la República de Honduras.

La Constitución de la República y los órganos administradores de justicia del país nos hacen concluir que:

Conforme a lo contemplado en el Artículo 239 de la Constitución de la República “Quien proponga la reforma” de este Artículo, “cesa de inmediato en el desempeño de su cargo y queda inhabilitado por diez años para el ejercicio de toda función pública”. Por lo tanto, la persona requerida, cuando fue capturado, ya no se desempeñaba como Presidente de la República.”

The Joint Bishops of Honduras part 2

Translation:

“Facing the situations of recent days, we have used the information found after searching competent instances of the State (Supreme Court of Justice, National Congress, Public Attorney’s Office, Executive Branch, Supreme Electoral Tribunal) and many other civilian organizations. All of those documents show that all Honduran democratic institutions are operating and in place, and the execution of their mandate has occurred in strict adherence to law. All three branches of the State: executive, legislative and judicial are within democratic legal boundaries, according to the Constitution of the Republic of Honduras.

The Constitution of the Republic and the judicial administrative organs allow us to conclude the following:

According to Article 239 of the Constitution of the Republic “whoever proposes the reform” of this article, “shall immediately cease performing the functions of his post, and shall remain disabled for the exercise of all public functions during a period of ten years”. Therefore the referred person, at the moment of his capture, was no longer performing the duties of the Republic’s Presidency.”

The full Spanish text may be read at:

http://www.google.com/search?q=COMUNICADO+OFICIAL+DE+LA+CON FERENCIA+EPISCOPAL+DE+HONDURAS&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-S earchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7HPIB_en

Marxists
Neo-Marxists everywhere seem intent on branding the legal removal of ZERO the ex-president from the presidential palace.
It's just another move by the Neo-Marxists to subjugate more people under their rule.

Honduran People Are Heroes
Channel surfing during a bout of insomnia, I came across Zelaya speaking to the UN. It was surreal. He kept speaking of his defense of democracy, to the thunderous applause of UN delegates, many of whom live in decidedly undemocratic countries.

Then Zelaya profusely thanked those who had helped him most in his struggle to defend democracy--Presidente Castro and Presidente Chavez. More applause.

He would not thank others who had been so helpful in supporting him in his defense of democracy, he said, because he might mispronounce their names.

Correspondence shown to me by a friend who has relatives living in Hondruas describes the situation there exactly as Dennis has described it. Zelaya violated Honduran law. The country is being run according to the Honduran constitution. The people are backing the followers of their constitution. They see Chavez/Zelaya as a threat to their country and its laws.

The UN and OAS actions against Honduras are unconscionable. It is tragic that the U.S. president is siding with unsavory egomaniacs and dictators who condemn the proud citizens of Honduras, a poverty-stricken and in this case law-abiding country. For THIS he should apologize!

Right wing spin
Prager uses that old Cold War “Commie” argument to try to justify the illegal military takeover of power from a democratically elected president.

The argument from Prager and the right wing is that President Zelaya wanted to extend his rule.

But …

“In fact, there was no way for Zelaya to "extend his rule" even if the referendum had been held and passed, and even if he had then gone on to win a binding referendum on the November ballot. The 28 June referendum was nothing more than a non-binding poll of the electorate, asking whether the voters wanted to place a binding referendum on the November ballot to approve a redrafting of the country's constitution. If it had passed, and if the November referendum had been held (which was not very likely) and also passed, the same ballot would have elected a new president and Zelaya would have stepped down in January. So, the belief that Zelaya was fighting to extend his term in office has no factual basis. The most that could be said is that if a new constitution were eventually approved, Zelaya might have been able to run for a second term at some future date.”

Mark Weisbrot, Guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 8 July 2009

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/jul /08/honduras-coup-washington-zelaya

And of course Prager falls back on the “Chavez factor”.

When in doubt blame Hugo Chavez!

Another of the democratically elected left-leaning Presidents in Latin America.

This is not the age of Reagan the misguided who saw a Commie in every corner.

This is the age of Obama.

We expect him to repair the damage done to Latin America by decades of US support for brutal, genocidal right wing dictators.

Impose sanctions on Honduras now.

Stop military cooperation.

Declare the illegal Honduran leaders and their families personae non gratae.


Honduran Church supports Illegal regime
So are we surprised that the hierarchy of the Honduran Church chose sides with the military, the land barons and the industrialists?

With the exception of Liberation Theologians, most of the Catholic hierarchy in Latin America is of the same mould as the ruling oligarchies.

As Hugh O'Shaughnessy reports:

“How many times over the decades have we heard aspiring rightwing dictators in Latin America claiming the patronage of the Almighty as they sweep into power in order to enrich themselves by torturing their fellow-citizens, seizing their goods – and sometimes their children – and defrauding labourers of their wages? General Pinochet did it in Chile in 1973, General Humberto Castello Branco did it in Brazil in 1964, General Banzer did it in Bolivia in 1974, General Videla did it in 1976, General Ríos Montt did it in Guatemala in 1962, General Alvarez did it in Uruguay in 1981. Now General Vázquez has followed the example set years ago by his Honduran brothers-in-arms General Melgar and General Paz …”

“At a time when the unwary are feeling that the bad old days of military rule are coming to an end, the evidence is plain that Latin American conservatives are still trying to use the military as a bulwark against the political reforms that their societies need.”

Hugh O'Shaughnessy, Guardian.co.uk, Saturday 4 July 2009.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/jul/04/ honduras-coup-micheletti-catholic


RALPH
"So spin yourself giddy Prager"

You should report the WHOLE story, not just a snippet to favor your leftist thesis. The military lawyer said that they may have broken the law in transporting Z out of the country, NOT that they violated the law in removing Z from power. After saying that the law may have been violated, the same military lawyer went on to say:

"Because of the circumstances of the moment this crime occurred, there is going to be a justification and cause for acquittal that will protect us"

In other words, "we had a legal justification for doing what we did." Hardly a confession. Who is doing the spinning?

RALPH

Let me guess. The Kook-Aide buzz is still raging.

You love dictators, Presidents that would be dictators, Totalitarians, Socialists, Communists, Progressives, Globalists and other Fascists.

This is not the "Age of Obama". Just like FDR's regime was not referred to as the "Age of FDR".

Now, go plan your wardrobe for your next audience with the man who is:

Smarter than FDR and cooler than JFK.

and...

More Catholic than the Pope.


Dear Leader Obama, may Peace not be upon him.

Honduras
I have sided with the current Honduras government. Not because I am an expert in the matter, but I saw a picture of Honduras ex president Zelaya holding hands with Chavez and Raul Castro and.....a picture is worth more than a thouzand words.

The truth, and Ralph
Let's see: In Honduras, the church, the supreme court, the military, and the attorney general, among others supported removing wanna- be dictator Z from office. Opposed: the UN, Hugo Chavez, the OAS, Castro, et al. This says all you need to know about what happened and point to the truth.

Ralph, you did not state the WHOLE truth about what the military lawyer said. In effect, he said that the law may have been broken in transporting Z out of the country, but that they had a legal justification for the action which would acquit them. That's a far cry from the confession you claim.

Geez, libs can't tell the truth to save their own lives. And, what is it with libs and third-world tin-pot dictators?


Hey, Visit Detroit Next !

We're Isolated from Prosperity!

Especially after Obama just passed through...

And Obama couldn't even wave to people after he was out of range of the camera lenses!

What a phony!

What REALLY happened
It's really just as Prager says.

Z was roused from his bed in the early morning hours by the military and exiled. The attorney-general had ordered Z's arrest for abuse of power and treason, and the Supreme Court ordered the military to make the arrest. Maybe you could argue that he should have stood trial, but there would have been blood in the streets and by exiling Z, the Honduran military avoided many deaths.

BTW, the Congress also supported the action, and Z's party remains in power. Hardly a COUP.

Honduran Coup!
The Hondurans did exactly what they had to do. A president is duly elected to a period of time and, when he tries to remain in power without benefit of election, he should be ousted. Then militia w/machetes threaten to terrorize the remaining government into submission. The Hondurans want a real Democratic Republic, and are working to make that happen. I wish I could say the same for some Obama minions.

This would be a cause to take up. These people are under attack and were set up to fall, but they didn't. Yayyyy Hondurans. Up yours, Hugo Chavez and the Castro Bros.

And our own president 0-BAM-A (is my face red?) supported former the president Z. The shame! It
makes me want to cry/scream/cuss!

Ralph

Something that you are obviously unaware of is that your attacks against the Honduran bishops in no way validate your claim that they support an “illegal regime.”

To be regarded as a serious person, you must make a case based upon the Honduran Constitution. You have not attempted to do so and nothing in your posts evidences any knowledge of their Constitution whatsoever. If you were smart, you would admit your ignorance.

Ralphie
Pull your head out of your rectum, and maybe some daylight will creep into that dark mind of yours, good luck with that.......Cheers

ZUCK FELAYA

Eh, Phylo
You saw some films? How many of the people shown were actually Hondurans? The ones I saw looked like military in civvies.

Supporting tyrants is what Obama does.
When the Iranian people took to the streets to protest a stolen election, Obama strood by and watched, only giving lip service when called out by France of all places.

Hondurans remove a man who wanted to be presidente for life. and Obama jumps all over that, Demanding tyhe tyrant be placed back in power.

It doesn't take a nuclear scientist to see a pattern emerging here.

Stolen elections, may remind the american people of the Acorn Effect, and removing tyrants may inspire the american people to emulate the Hondurans.

No wonder Obama took the stands he did, it's Too close to Home!


When o when
will the American people say ENOUGH and oust that den of iniquity on the East River? It's infested with despots, thugs and dictators and we pay the biggest share of the freight for these thugs to destroy freedom everywhere and to skim the funds we give off for their own portfolios. I guess it will be about the time the American people wake up and realize the DemonRAT party is also infested with the same
type of roaches and really make a change we can believe in..Honest government..and right now
given our moral decay, honest government is no where in sight.
Obama is going to support the criminal zaywhatever his name is because he is of the same mold and probably sees the hint of handwriting on the wall.

What if
the regional thugs, Chavez, Castros etc decide to invade? And what if the person occupying OUR White House decides to back them and orders troops there..???
I wouldn't put it past this thug supporting those thugs in destroying Honduras's freedom.
And if he's removed from office as being illegal
per the Constitution, I can see him running to the U.N and also whining about it. Maybe that's what it will take to tell the U.N. to pack up and get out pronto.

We have had some remarkable young men who are exchange students from Central America and Mexico. I believe one of our current ones is a citizen of Honduras. They love the Lord and go back home to help their people. We will pray for the Honduran people to overcome this and
even if the U.S. tyrants refuse to help, there are plenty of private charities and churches that can channel help. We need a list.

It's a Beautiful Thing...
The Iranians and the Hondurans showing what is native to the human heart and soul, and in the process shining the light on the abject moral wasteland that is Obama and his acolytes. We talked about when it first hit at "Honduras: A Light on Pravda's Limits" at http://www.brushfires-of-freedom.com/honduras.html, but it is going even better than we hoped. Pravda will always be Pravda, but Honduras exposes them over and over and over. It's a gift that keeps on giving. It's all helping to throw kindling on the brushfires that are engulfing the Obama administration, right NOW.

Thank you for telling the truth!
Thank you Mr. Prager for actually shedding some light to the actual situation on Honduras. I live in Tegucigalpa and we are appaled by how the international media with the help of our tyrant ex-president have portrayed our country instead of prasing it. Unfortunately, our tourism has gone done to almost zero but there hasn't been any violence during all this time (except for a single death caused at a Hugo Chavez led rally at the airport). We are a very peaceful country and we pray to God that Mr. Chavez doesn't change that, but we are afraid since our biggest ally, the US, has turned its back on us. But I really thank you for this article and encourage American citizens to come down and visit. Please don't judge us by what the media says. Everything is running as normal, the mayority of the people are glad Zelaya was removed and we rather have the world call us Coup enablers until the next elections than Socialist for 10 years or more like in Venezuela. Thanks again and I hope you keep reporting about our thruth.

Dennis Prager vs Other Media in Honduras
Hi Dennis,

Wow! I just don't even know where to start!!! I guess I'll start with your comment form: you only allow comments from the United States??? I AM IN HONDURAS. I LIVED HERE FROM 2003 to 2007 AND HAVE BEEN REPORTING FROM HERE SINCE JULY 3rd, along with many other journalists... So (a) I'm surprised that your arrival was met with surprise because not many Hondurans are unaware that there is an international spotlight on their country, and (b) if you're here in solidarity with their country, why won't you let them openly respond to your coverage???

I don't really think I'm going to waste too much time on your comments page, but I encourage you to get in touch! I'd LOVE to have a nice moderated debate with you on live radio! I'm glad you're in the country! There are so many pro-Venezuelan, pro-Honduran social movement journalists, and SO many big mainstream media outlets already covering what is going on, so I'm really excited that there's now a vocal far-right pro-military-coup reporter here too!!! Finally, someone else who knows that the Cold War never ended!!!

Sincerely,
Sandra Cuffe
http://hondurassolidarity.wordpress.com
photos: http://flickr.com/photos/lavagabunda

Re: And if Not
And you are still trying to spin that one?

What is it that you didn't understand from the Honduran army's lawyer, Col. Herberth Bayardo Inestroza?

He said loud and clear that:

1.top military brass made the call to forcibly remove Zelaya

2. they circumvented laws when they did it.

Of course they had to admit these facts because its plain for all to see that they broke the law.

To protect their sorry behinds they obviously have to manufacture a plausible defense.

Your Neocon upbringing no doubt allows you to so facetiously disregard the rule of law (just like your idol Dubya).

Since when is a civil matter enforced by the military? That's a matter for the police.

Otherwise this is typical Banana Republic fare.

This is what you guys on the Right are supporting - Banana Republics.

Here is a report from the Miami Herald on those early hours:

"Zelaya already was rousted from bed by a shootout between a presidential security detail and his own armed forces, ordered to drop his cell phone or be shot dead, bundled onto a military truck in his pajamas and whisked by plane into forced exile in Costa Rica."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/world/AP/story/1127208.html

This is hardly the stuff of the rule of law being carried out.

More like a thief in the night.

Re: CharletonHeston
What, you are still here???

I thought that you guys were beamed up a while ago.

C'mon Clingon, take your guns and religion and join your fellow Bush BNA (Brown Nose Army)members up where the air is rare - Mars.

Begone Brown Noser!

Re: Way Down South
Or is it Way Off The Map?

I see that you are another one of those armchair lawyers who feel free to cite paragraphs and subsections of documents they have no inkling of.

The only place that this can be legally decided is in an unbiased court of law.

Both sides get to present their legal arguments.

Of course there may be no such thing as an unbiased court of law right now in Honduras.

But you know what you guys are so steeped in arrogance that you think the rest of the world is always wrong and you small town bitter clingons are always right.

Maybe you need to be re-educated.

Here are two passes for next Sunday's sermon at Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church.

Enjoy.

Ralph, you wrote,

Way Down South , Or is it Way Off The Map?

You thought of that all by yourself?


Re: St. Denis in Wonderland
You obviously were writing in jest when you said:

"You love dictators, Presidents that would be dictators, Totalitarians, Socialists, Communists, Progressives, Globalists and other Fascists."

I mean, after all this is exactly what the rest of the world has been saying about US foreign policy for the past 150 years.

Your hero, Ronald Reagan supported and aided and armed some of the most brutal dictators ever to have disgraced the lands of Central America.

The US trained and armed military massacred thousands of innocent men, women and children; teachers, doctors, nuns, priests, newspaper journalists, university students and workers were killed like animals for daring to ask for reforms.

What do they teach you guys in school anyway?

But ignorance is no excuse.

Start your re-education by reading Chavez' recommendation to President Obama

"Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent" by Eduardo Galeano.

Speaking of heroes
. . . RALPH: Who is yours?

Honduras
The Honduran people don't want Zelaya as president and his term is up. Enough said. Obomba needs to butt out. Hillary is irrelevant.

Barack Obama, a despot's Champion
The facts of what transpired in Honduras and that country's determination to support, defend and honor its constitution in the face of an attempted "political coup" by Zelaya is well documented. Yet, there seems to be a greater determination by the likes of the United Nations, the OAS, the Castro brothers, most notably, Hugo Chavez, and especially Barack Obama, to overrule that nation's rule of law and return a determined despot to power.

The President of the United States of America now stands in opposition to the nation of Israel, the Baltic nations, the free people of Iran and is silent in the face of increasing Russian hegemony and an unstable and threatening North Korea. FDR said, "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." I say, "Barack Obama's naive and impotent position on foreign policy is the stuff that fear is made of."

RALPH
Reagan was not my hero. I don't make heros out of politicians.

I have already read the garbage, Open Veins.


The next time that some country in the world needs our disaster relief, economic help, or the bodies of our men and women in the military, they can fend for themselves.

BTW, I am not a member in ANY political party. I am a party of one.

RALPH
You obviously were writing in jest when you said:

"You love dictators, Presidents that would be dictators, Totalitarians, Socialists, Communists, Progressives, Globalists and other Fascists."


NO, I was not writing in jest.

"I mean, after all this is exactly what the rest of the world has been saying about US foreign policy for the past 150 years."


Sure, we were taking Britain's ships and raping and pillaging in the 18th and 19th centuries, but for the time we were figthing the American Revolution and the Civil War. Americans did not want to go to Europe in WWI. They certainly were antiwar throughout the 1930s because Europe had treated us show shiitily after WWI.


"What do they teach you guys in school anyway?

But ignorance is no excuse."

Double degrees from Harvard (Economics & France), Juris Doctorate for Georgetown, and a Masters in Economics from LSE, London.

So, bite your tongue and never call me ignorant.

Dennis forgot one; boycott CITGO!
Chavez OWNS CITGO, so boycott CITGO!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/citgo.asp

Also boycott CITGO's new name, PETRO;
http://open.salon.com/blog/rob_blogojevich/2009/04/07/hugo_ chavez_takes_over_citgo_employs_iranians

i

sqrt (cos(180)

I have been on a one-woman boycott of CITGO for the last decade, when Chavez became President of Venezuela. I've been known to flip them a bird ... most of time that I pass a station.

Boycott CITGO here, too.

Tyrants
Open veins is socialist dogma garbage, written by ignorant fools who believe that freedom for people is their own enslavement.
Chavez is a tyrant who got to power in his own military coup and quiet possibly a drug smuggler
also.
Fidel Castro was so well liked that thousands of people were fleeing Cuba to get away from him.
The United Nations is nothing but a socialist organization bent on ruling the world.

OK, It's not a coup, but what is next
It is now a well established fact that the presidential succession in Honduras was a constitutional transfer of power, that is to anyone who is fully informed of the facts.

But the US State Department is still calling for a restoration of constitutional democracy.

What is needed is a policy reversal, and short of that continual pressure and questions calling out the ineptitude which best characterizes Obama and Clinton handling of the issue.

Not one reporter at the state department has asked spokesman Ian Kelly in the daily briefings, where if the Honduran High Court effected the removal and determined the succession was constitutional, and they are given the authority to determine constitutionality in Honduras, how can the US Goverment conclude it was some how not constitutional.

BTW - they can't answer that question with out comming off as propeller heads.

Dennis In Honduras
Dennis, this is excellent.What a wonderful and poignant idea to go to Honduras.Ask to go to El Hogar. It is a fantastic place conceived of and established by Connie deBeausset (Mrs.Valerie de Beausset) from America-from Michigan, as a matter of fact.It's a home for
saving, schooling, and training the boys on the street.It, literally, gives them their lives back.A few years ago, against all odds, it won the quite elite National Honduran choir festival competition.One of the boys they saved is one of the biggest, most famous soccer players in South America.It's an absolutely wonderful story, and is exemplary on so many levels.They certainly could use the exposure and help, financially.Most importantly, El Hogar serves as an example of what can be done with throw away, and dis-enfranchised children.

AMAZING!!!!
How the foolish liberals will find a way defend anything and everything, but the right thing. You can count on the libs to fall on the side of an issue NOT supported by facts, then start spinning the actual facts they fail to acknowledge in an attempt to convince those that know the facts that what really happened, is not what really happened.

This wanna be dictator was checked-mated by the Supreme Court, Congress, and his own party.

But there are libs here that will overlook all of those facts...article 239 spells it out, it is not complicated to grasp what it says.

Unless I guess, you are a lib.

By Prager {Prayer} alone...
Would you please give your opinion {written form} about what makes Obama and Hillary on the other side of this question. I'll bet like you and most others, it's increible that they don't see it...what's with them? Are they privy to more about the events in Honduras than all others...including you, or all they ignorant?? It just doesn't make sense for any government official, let alone them, to side against constitutional laws of that country, or any country for that matter!! Keeping an eye on your column!!

To Mike
Personally, I don't really care what is happening in Honduras.

We, as a nation, have no right to be dictating what happens anywhere else in the world, or getting involved in the internal affairs of other countries. The United States needs to get it's act together first. We need to start helping our own (that includes getting ourselves out of two wars) before trying to sort out the problems of the Hondurans.

When I said what I said about Prager going to Honduras to increase his ratings, you have to think about what Mr. Prager is: He is an entertainer. You have to question his motives for doing what he does. Don't get me wrong, I agree with him on some things, but not on others.

And really? Moron? Is that the best you can do?

Really
"Double degrees from Harvard (Economics & France), Juris Doctorate for Georgetown, and a Masters in Economics from LSE, London."

Sounds like a lot of wasted time and money.

A Fool educated is an educated Fool
Please, everybody, call or email your Congressmen and women and point out your anger at them for not supporting a Democracy in action.
Dan said it best: "How can Democrats support Obama when he is slow to support the citizens of Iran against a rigged election (Iran didn't allow any international election monitors) and then supports a guy who wants to end Democracy in Honduras.

I guess the answer is they are Socialists, Communists and Facists. I'd be ashamed to be a Democrat that supports Obama's positions on Iran and Honduras. "

That is the message you need to send.

PLEASE HELP!!
Hugo Chavez and Mel Zelaya are funding pro MEl ZELAYA ex political Honduran figures, and other crazy non Honduran activist to make chaos in our country by this weekend.
He is threatening the Honduran government and the people in Honduras... Hard working people like my family and other families that have earn there right to live here. And have busted their backs in order to make a sustainable living in a corrupt third world country.
We dont want MEl ZELAYA back!! What ever you see in the news is a lie!!!
I wonder why governments or anyone take the time to ask the real Honduran people for their opinion!! Like middle class Honduras!!
Ask them how they feel about all of this events that are happening, and if it's not stopped my people will be shedding blood just because a VENEZUELAN ARROGANT, RIDICULOUS prsident who has bought the world with petroleum, even UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Obama has taken side with these people, so has the U.S government.
Please help us stop CHAVEZ and ZELAYA before is too late.
Stop asking presidents on what to do or what should happen in Honduras.
Ask the real hard working people, not the non-Honduran people that come out on TV, setting fires and creating chaos in our country. Those people are sent by Chavez from venezuela, and also sent by Ortega from Nicaragua.

PLEASEE HELP!!

Bravo Dennis! This is a repeat of Carter
Well said & put, Dennis. This US supported Honduras policy is a repeat of Carter's blindness with regard to Iran & Nicaragua. No one worried then about what would follow. Now its the turn of Honduras according to these leftist looneys. "Destroy the Honduras government" is all they care about & when it falls & millions of Honduras are enslaved you will not hear a peep from the looneys; they will have moved on to destroy another imperfect Western society. There was no "coup" in Honduras; the President was legally removed within the Constitutional provisions of Honduras. Thank you for giving light to this sad situation.

nice
Nice piece Dennis.

You were on fire the other day talking about Pelosi and health care.

By the way, you should get Stephen Hayes on again soon to talk about Saddam Hussein and terrorism. There has been some updates...

nice
Nice piece Dennis.

You were on fire the other day talking about Pelosi and health care.

By the way, you should get Stephen Hayes on again soon to talk about Saddam Hussein and terrorism. There has been some updates...

Thank you 4 Going 2 Honduras
The moment of truth for Honduras is here. Zelaya has promised bloodshed in order to now seize power and Hugo Chavez will gladly provide the weapons and resources to return his puppet Zelaya to the role of dictator in Honduras.
The people of Honduras are very brave to stand up and say no to the pathological tyrants Zelaya and Chavez and may the courageous Hondurans prevail.

All those who care about economic freedom and individual liberties need to pay attention and keep "our eyes on Honduras."

There is a Petition supporting the courageous Hondurans fighting for freedom and liberty; please join 11,990+ others in support by signing the Petition for Honduras at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?honduras

By signing this Petition addressed to the President of the United States; we are taking a stand with the people of Honduras in.....

"....support [of] the small and poor but upright democracy of Honduras."

World Rejects Honduran Democracy
I cannot thank you enough for your support of Honduras's stand to defend national interests, freedom and democracy. I remain shocked that little or nothing is said about the gang of external players in this monumental chess game. The strategy being played out in this small but valiant country will affect all of us in the months and years to come.

Hondurans are fighting for their liberty and the future of ours as well. Many, many Hondurans from all walks of life are engaged in this battle against the far left despite being mostly alone.

A socialized Latin America will control oil, a multitude of natural resources and the Panama Canal. Mel Zelaya reportedly stated to a Brazilian journalist in an interview not a couple of days old that it is not Chavez but the US that controls Honduras. He mentions that he plans to come back and continue with what he began. He is setting us up. Why is the White House letting him get away with such comments? He really means to come back and take over.

All support we can offer the brave people fighting for demoncracy in Honduras is invaluable, especially in this dark time.

Here's a riddle for you Dennis...
What passport did Obama use in 1981?

Paul Hollrah over at UTFSM believes the issue about Obama's birth certificate can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:

What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ?

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with
the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta, and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through
Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission..

Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities
1981
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S.
Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion:
When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport..

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.

And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between
1981 and 2008..

http://obamadocuments.wordpress.com/

Poor Mr Obama.
Some of you are being a little rough on the guy. After all, he's just doing his job, what he's been groomed to do, namely destroy/bankrupt/bring down/humiliate our country on behalf of the lords of power and money -- the hidden elite. This is bigger than just Obama the prevaricator, usurper, and non-president. His birth certificate issues are just the beginning. And it's bigger than the puppet show we used to call Congress. It's the so-called Fed, the ultra-rich, and the combine of the carriage trade who would subjugate everyone and everything to themselves. Look past bHo and the compromised politicians to see who is pulling the strings. I'm willing to walk from Oregon to march on DC alone if I have to. Could we get 20 million people together to flood and freeze our Capital? Bring your own water, sack lunch, and toilet paper.

Hello, military! Will you obey the poser-in-chief, or will you uphold your oath to defend the Constitution, and march with the People, your People? See you at the barricades!

God bless Honduras, and God, please, bless America.

Article on Honduras
Dear Mr. Prager
As a U.S. citizen, with Honduran parents and raised and living in Honduras. I have only to thank you many times for your article. Honduras is a small and poor country, but thanks to aide form countries such as the United State, our Judicial sistem has been strengthening and maturing. We as a people have also embraced and instilled in our hearts and concience strong democratic beliefs.
This time Mr. Chavez has lost, its prey. And hopefully all latinamericans will take our efforts as an example to liberate themselves from leftists dictators, that use the poor and uneducated people to take control of all our coutries institutions and loot the scarse resources to their benefit. Maybe,just maybe. What just happened in Honduras, will overturn Latin America to a necesary center, and do away with the empty leftist and populist gangsters.
The United States of America, is not just another member of our continent, but a longtime ally, largest trade partner and benefactor. We want to keep it that way.
How can the U.S. has permitted the new leftist dictators in Latin America, not only constantly express anti U.S. rethoric and blame the U.S. for whatever they like. But most of all use organizations on U.S. soil, such as the O.A.S and U.N.to protect this new leftist dictators is what we do not understand.
We pray that the world will understand what happended in Honduras, was contitutionaly and legally correct. And that U.S. citizens will wake up and not permit the land of the brave and free be used to permit and protect the leftist dictators that stand against the U.S. and agains all what America stands for.
Thank you again, and God bless you and the United States of America and Honduras.

Honduras
I am an american citizen born in Honduras of American Parents. I love my birth country and hate Obama's denial of the truth about what happened when we removed Mel Zelaya. Thank you for trying to bring this to the American Citizenry. It is, unfortunately, a slow learning process for Americans.


honduras
thank you Sir and God bless you.i am from Honduras and i love my country more than ever. We are very proud of our people, the world can call us"the little country that could". we want the world to know that the vast majority of the honduras people are very happy with out Zelaya.
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