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Tuesday, June 09, 2009
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why the Cairo Speech Was So Sad
by Dennis Prager
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It appears that President Barack Obama decided not to incorporate any of the points on American-Muslim relations I included in my last column, a speech I suggested he give in Cairo to the Muslim world.

Nevertheless the president made some courageous points, and an honest appraisal of his speech needs to note them. For example, telling an audience in Cairo and presumably hundreds of millions of Muslims elsewhere that America's "bond is unbreakable" with Israel was courageous and important.

*** Special Offer ***

So the speech was not bad.

But it was sad.

It was extremely sad that it was necessary for anyone, let alone an American president, to tell Muslims that the Holocaust occurred, that "6 million Jews were killed," and that "denying that fact is baseless, it is ignorant, and it is hateful." There is no other audience on earth to whom that would have to be said.

Incidentally, wouldn't one think that an American president feeling the need to condemn Holocaust-denial before a world Muslim audience would be worthy of comment? Yet, such is the soft bigotry of low expectations that dominates world news media views of the Muslim world, that I did not see one mainstream media comment on this extraordinary fact.

I did, however, see Tom Brokaw ask this incredible question of President Obama after the latter's visit to the Nazi concentration camp at Buchenwald: "What can the Israelis learn from your visit to Buchenwald and what should they be thinking about their treatment of Palestinians?"

To his credit, President Obama immediately responded: "Well, look, there's no equivalency here."

Talk about sad. What other word can be used to describe one of the most famous journalists in America using the Holocaust to ask about Israeli policy toward Palestinians?

Returning to the president's speech, it was also sad that the president had to condemn Muslim Jew-hatred and threats to annihilate Israel -- "Threatening Israel with destruction or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews is deeply wrong." This, too, needed to be said to a Muslim audience. Nazi-like depictions of Jews, regularly equating Jews with animals and calling for their destruction, are found in much of the Muslim media, many Islamic schools and many mosques.

It was likewise sad that an American president felt he had to go to Cairo and tell Muslims that Islam has a history of tolerance: "Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition. I saw it firsthand as a child in Indonesia, where devout Christians worshiped freely in an overwhelmingly Muslim country."

It was as if the president had to persuade his audience that Islam has been or is, in essence, tolerant. Even President Obama's examples were not convincing.

Muslim-governed Andalusia in southern Spain, of which Cordoba was the capital city, ceased being tolerant (relative to Christian Europe at the time) by about 1,000. In 1011, there was a Muslim pogrom against the Jews of Cordoba. And even earlier, between A.D. 850 and 859, 50 Christians were beheaded in Cordoba for blasphemy against Islam. As for the Indonesia in which the young Barack Obama saw Christians worshiping freely, that country was almost as secular under Suharto as Turkey was under Ataturk. So, the question remains: Are there examples in the last 1,000 years of a religious Islamic regime governing a society that was tolerant of non-Muslims or dissenting Muslims? The president provided none.

Right after the Indonesia citation, the president added: "That is the spirit we need today," obviously implying that this spirit of religious tolerance is not present in the Muslim world today. That was quite a statement to make to hundreds of millions of Muslims.

Yet, despite many objectionable aspects of the president's speech, it was very important for someone of President Obama's stature to tell the Muslim world that there was a Holocaust, that anti-Semitism is evil, that Israel and America have an unbreakable bond, and that religious intolerance in the Muslim world is unacceptable. But for precisely those reasons his speech was so sad.

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People just can't help it...
What is it about Obama that causes people in journalism to fawn and rapture about how wonderful some footnote in some speech was despite the fact that taken as a whole it was a vomit inducing denunciation of America in particular and Western culture in general? It reminds me high school after lunch break where geeky boys would fantasize aloud about the head cheerleader and what heavenly perfection must lurk beneath her outer garments. Is it just the desire to get invited to a state dinner or two? What causes this? The constant proving that they are "fair" and "even handed" when talking about a megalomaniacal eternal sophomore isn't fair OR evenhanded. Were they sent back in time would they pick out a few gems from one of Hitler's rally speeches and praise them? I suspect they would even as they were herded into the showers to be gassed.

The Grand Mufti

Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini, was instrumental in The Palestianian Uprisings in the early part of the 20th century BEFORE the State of Israel was formed.

He then spent the rest of World War II as Hitler's special guest in Berlin, advocating the extermination of Jews in radio broadcasts back to the Middle East and recruiting Balkan Muslims for infamous SS "mountain divisions" that tried to wipe out Jewish communities throughout the region.

At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. ... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.
With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution. The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if the hero of Arab nationalism was treated as a war criminal."


As a young man, al-Husseini worked with a native Jew, Abbady, who documented this comment:

"Remember, Abbady, this was and will remain an Arab land. We do not mind you natives of the country, but those alien invaders, the Zionists, will be massacred to the last man. We want no progress, no prosperity. Nothing but the sword will decide the fate of this country."


So, we are really supposed to believe that dismantling the settlements will lead to a Two State Solution. It seems to me that it wil be The Final Solution II.

Never again.

Something Sadder.
Middle East Muslims have a screwy problem with sex and women, that the rest of the world's people got over, sometime ago. Muslims in Indonesia, not so much, and Muslims in America, even less.

If you really want to look at what's sad.

Where is the Outrage & the Action?
Barack Hussein Obama is a blatant liar practicing the Muslim principle of seduce (fool, dupe, trick) them until strong enough to take them over.
These statements are outrageous and again prove Obama is unfit to serve as president of the United States of America: "Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance … I saw it firsthand as a child in Indonesia, where devout Christians worshiped freely in an overwhelmingly Muslim country." “Right after the Indonesia citation, the president added: ‘That is the spirit we need today.’"
The latter statement is a call in ObamaSpeak for Muslims to continue their current uprising started at least as early as the mid-1970s to take over the world for Allah, a worldwide caliphate with Shar’ia law and to convert, subjugate or murder all unbelievers in Islam starting with Jews and Christians.
He is a Muslim - the product of an unwed, teen mother impregnated by some unknown black man and born somewhere, then raised by a Kenyan Muslim and Indonesian Muslim stepfather. Obama has admitted to all of this many times in many places and in many ways by now.
Here are the truth, facts, real history and current events, and these are only from the first page of Google results of about 41,400 for a search on christian martyrs+indonesia: http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=26402
http://voiceofthemartyrs.net/indonesia.htm
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/716/noviana-malewa/
http://www.persecutionblog.com/2009/05/indonesia-christian- families-driven-out-of-their-villages-1.html
http://www.christianpersecution.info/news/indonesia-sentenc es-41-christian-to-five-years-imprisonment-report/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/681473/posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_martyrs + referenced there Jesus Freaks: Stories of Those Who Stood for Jesus, the Ultimate Jesus Freaks by DC Talk and the Voice of the Martyrs.
Educate yourself. Go read them. Then join the effort to turn this Muslim out of office.(cont.)


Where is the Outrage & the Action?-2
The quickest way to get Obama out of the office of president to which he is a usurper, pretender and traitor is to demand public exposure of Obama’s records of eligibility and campaign financing. His eligibility records include a raised seal, certified copy of his real birth certificate said to be held in HI, his colleges application, admission, attendance and scholarships, if any, documents showing citizenship.
Contact today, without further delay, your Senators, Representative, the USSC, Obama’s slobbering and the refusing to act media including Townhall and all their column writers, the DNC, Federal Election Commission, Obama himself and AG Holder to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

1,000 AD

"Muslim-governed Andalusia in southern Spain,...ceased being tolerant (relative to Christian Europe at the time) by about 1,000."

Which coincidently is the exact same year that all muslims world-wide collectively said “Hey, lets live like this for the rest of time” and stopped any further cultural advancement. The end.

Political capital used wisely
Rather unexpected praise, albeit mild, for Obama. You seemed to have recognized without stating it that under the circumstances it was a great thing for Obama to say these things where and when he did. Sad, yes, by and large, yes.

And you didn't fall back to the usual thing we read here: that Bush said high-minded things too but nobody fawned over him. It's because you know that Bush's positive messages were drowned out by his cannonfire and bellicosity. Obama simply has more credibility, and he knows how to use the enormous political capital he's got.

Won't be long and somebody's going to call you a RINO.

Joel D’ O L.......

I much appreciate the content of your first three posts here.

I commonly agree with most of what you say.

I think you say some important things that need to be heard.

Also, yesterday I read your defense of your many posts.

However, 13 posts in a row is the equivalent of carpet bombing,
and I think you lose even the most like-minded readers, as their
eyes glaze over and they start scrolling to the next comment.

Like it or not, this format is best suited for short comments and
not long diatribes, or even the absolute truth, endlessly repeated.
Sometimes, brevity IS the soul of wit.
( There are always exceptions, such as OnceAlwaysaMarine
when he gets on a passionate roll.)

You DO have good and important comments and experiences
to share with the TH community, so I think you should create a
TH blog and post longer pieces there, and make fewer posts
on the comment threads, perhaps only 6 or 7 in a row,
using the threads to direct readers to your blog.

Just my opinion- but whatever you do, don’t stop.

Obama is more than a RACIST
Take it from this black conservative http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/06/obamas-inner-mu slim.html who can teach us all a LOT about Obama. This writer is witty and gives the perfect dose of humor to make his blog a MUST READ!

What is sad to me is
I am not able to trust or believe anything OBAMA says. Next week he will say the exact opposite or do the exact opposite of what he has just said. His words are only true for the moment.

Why do Jews vote Democrat?
Tom Brokaw represents the mainline Democrat position to undermine Israel at any real or imagined opportunity. Jews still vote for Democrats. Why?

More than sad it was pathetic..
Muslim tolerance? How many synagogues and church's did the Barry O' visit while in Saudi Arabia? It is so pathetic this group of human excrement that live in the desert for Pete's sake they lived in tents and rode on horses and camels until the U.S. found oil under all that Sand. And now they hate us. All the Hijackers were from that sand toilet. If we would just drill here drill now, and let them sell to China and India, not one U.S. dime might change their little tune.

Egypt? WOW, because they help us how? Give me a break, we didn't pick this fight and the current fear of well there is 1 billion muslims, they'll end the world. I'd rather be worm food than bowing to the East every morning.

Joel D’ O L.......

Like food,
I think readers on the threads are in the mood for a light snack,
and readers of the articles and blogs are looking for a meal.

Of course, the Trolls are serving only garbage and swill-
We hold our noses and pass on by the stench.

If you do create a blog,
I will certainly visit for the veritable feast you can offer.

How are you different?
>After 9/11 (and it is not too late now) we should have used ICBMs to nuke Mecca, Medina, and every Islamic population center until the rubble bounced. Then capture every oil well, and kill every adult male Islamic. See Deuteronomy 20:12-14 (KJV).<

I'm sorry, but this approach, as well as using Biblical justification, makes you no different than he radical Muslims you villify in your posts.
There is no justification in wiping out millions of innocent humans, be it Jews, Muslims or Eskimos. It's called genocide.

Prager--Don't forget
Don't be deceived by a few kind words from Obama about Israel. #1 Actions speak louder than words and telling them that they cannot defend themselves against Iran and #2 Asking them to give up their land indicates that he is not looking out for their best interest.
Also, remember that the Anti-Christ will appear to be a friend to Israel and will deceive many jews into a 7 year contract so to speak with him. The jews will think he is their Saviour when in fact his alterior motive will be to destroy them.

"fighting negative stereotypes of Islam"
It does not get much sadder than Obama saying how he is "committed" to "fighting negative stereotypes of Islam" while he is stereotyping our own brave troops as right wing extremists.

Homeland Security is now on guard for Returning U.S. military veterans
singled out as particular threats - as reported by talk-radio host and WND columnist Roger Hedgecock, the report cites:

"the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94803

The President of the World" owes them making the care they need, deserve and have earned his top priority...

His exploitation of their injuries is treasonous AS HE IS RUNNING ALL OVER THE GLOBE SAYING HOW MUCH He's committed to fighting negative stereotypes of Islam -

Whose President is he?
Who killed that recruiter last week was a vet or and Islamist?

The solution to Islam
Joel,

I am new to posting here at TH and while I too find a lot wrong with the muslim faith, advocating nuclear war with all of Islam is way over the top. My backround is as follows, I am an Air Force Vet. having served under both Presidents Carter and Reagan with the 318th Fighter Interceptor Squadron during the last of the cold war. It was President Reagan who made me a conservative, as his leadership and eloquence gave me a true undestanding of liberalism i.e. socialism really was. My squadron flew against the Russians almost daily, BTW 1Falcon1 was my callsign. Nuclear weapons are not to be used lightly. We must stand ready to defend ourselves at all times but when consevatives use such discorce the socialists point to it and say "See, they are all hate filled racists" and our real message is lost. Speak your mind always, thats what we fought for after all but remember our ememies love to drag us down to they're level. Speak truth to the lies and we will prevail.

The 1Falcon1

interesting column
If the worst thing that Prager can find to say about an Obama speech is that it is sad that he had to say it, then it is a good sign that it was a really good speech.

On the other hand Obama did not say that Islam can be tolerant to convince his audience of that fact. He said it to convince his audience that people in the west can believe it. And it is sad that Obama has to try to convince the muslim world that the US is open to other religions, but just as true as the other sad things in Prager's audience.

Re: my last post
I apologize for my spelling errors and poor grammar, I am not a good typist. Pancho is exactly what I was talking about and posted ahead of me.

Israel
Why is the U.S. bond with Israel "unbreakable"?

That means no matter what Israel does the U.S. will support it.

The blind support the U.S. gives Israel is a national disgrace.

Religion in General
Listening to this speech, it was a lot of fancy rhethoric with little behind it. I'm glad to see Obama trying to be empathetic to the people of the Middle East, but like it or not religion is a real problem here.

As I've said before, Islam is cut from the same cloth as the vengeful desert god of the Old Testament. It shares many of the same tenants as Judeo-Christian mythology in regards to prophets, morals, and what not. The only difference is that the west has moved away from church dominance. Europe became much more powerful once the authority of the church waned and secular powers took over. That hasn't happened in the Middle East yet. Their desert dwelling, homophobic, infanticial, genocidal, racist, woman hating god won't allow it. Until Islam goes through the same revolution as Europe did, there will be no peace. There will only be hatred, intolerance, and ignorance.

The Real Sadness
Obama is a man who is the creation of the MSM and some skilled handlers. He is not an intellect as the media keeps repeating. He can read what is scripted, but cannot comprehend what he is reading. He cannot edit his own speeches written by a 27 year old who has no life experience or knowledge of history. Obama has his own agenda and despite the chorus of warnings and insightful predictions, we are held hostage by the media which chooses to remind everyone of racial injustices and the dire consequences of upsetting any special interest groups. Obama is dangerous because he doesn't know what he is talking about, and has a spotty education at best. Bush was examined and ridiculed and every syllable scruntinized, yet Obama, who is consistently wrong and misspeaks gets a pass -- where is his selective service registration card? Every male born after January 1961 has to be registered. Where are this man's college transcripts? Bush is the only president who had a MBA from Harvard. Obama doesn't and wasted his time at Harvard, yet the press continues to create the myth. . .pull the curtain back and you will find there is no wizard . . .just someone willing to lie for his own purposes and those who manipulate him.

This column is sad
This column is sad because the premise is so illogical. What Prager means to say, though he doesn't seem to understand it, is that the Muslim world is in a sad state of affairs, not Obama's speech. Indeed, Prager does nothing but compliment the speech itself.

This is just another example of irrational, knee-jerk attacks on Obama from right wing pundits. They attack Obama no matter how sensible he sounds.

Don't these guys realize that they lose credibility with such unfair and irrational attacks?

I listened to Limbaugh yesterday. That man is losing his SUV lovin mind. Nothing he says is anywhere close to rational. He repeatedly said that Obama wants to ruin the country, that he is an angry man, and that Obama is wholly responsible for the current economic mess. It's hard not to infer that this kind of baseless hatred must be linked to deeply held racist views. Limbaugh seems to hiss like a snake and drool venom every time he talks about Obama. Doesn't he realize how evil that makes him sound?

And don't get me started on Hannity. All I can think of when I listen to that man is how ashamed I would be if I were his son or daughter.

Phylo out.

War against stereotypes
We need an exit strategy. Otherwise, it is going to be quite a quagmire of a war against negative stereotypes of Islam so long as they remain "homophobic, infanticial, genocidal, racist, and woman hating." My personal opinion of the "Religion of Peace" started forming on 9-11, and it now fits quite comfortably into the politically incorrect "stereotype".

Prager wrote
"To his credit, President Obama immediately responded: 'Well, look, there's no equivalency here.'

Talk about sad. What other word can be used to describe one of the most famous journalists in America using the Holocaust to ask about Israeli policy toward Palestinians?"

Especially true considering contribution of "Palestinians" TOWARDS "Final Solution":
(*) Haj-amin Husseini had, in 1936, signed a blood-covenant with Hitler in exchange for receiving arms (so he could attack Britain which had GIVEN him the position of Mufti--with which he, thinking himself entitled to be Sultan, was not satisfied)
(*) Husseini's recruitment of Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims for "Hanzar" SS is public record

Reality is that "Palestinians" should be viewed in same light as Sudeten Germans wrt Czech Republic or Silesian Germans wrt Poland (or another equivalence I have used, Biharis wrt Bangladesh)!

Presumption
>If we try to deal with the Islamic threat nation by nation, with conventional arms only, how long will it take, and how many of my men will die needlessly?"<

Your presumption that every Islamic nation is a threat to this nation and has to be dealt with in a military manner goes to the root of your obsession with Islam and creates a distorted reality.
Perhaps you could explain the constitutional basis for these nuclear strikes you dearly crave to see.

Mr. Prager
Good assessment of the pres. speach. I would think that he would have driven the point home a little harder. Of all the speaches the POYUS has give, this was a better one buy far.
Kirk

herman the troll
anopther leftist fool shows up to blame israel for the blight on humankind that muslims represent.

Despite the trillions the muzzies have received in oil revenues many still live in abject poverty while the oil sheiks and mad mullahs liver like potentates in unimaginable luxury.

Despite the fact that billions have been sent to the palestineans, the infrastructure remains destroyed and the people live in poverty while the so called leaders have squirreled away billions into their persnal bank accounts or used the money to buy munitions rather than fix the sewers.

Sounds like herman is more likely herman x another black muzzie quick to blame the israelis as does his master farrakhan who openly preaches hatrred against the jews.

So tell us herman x, why don't you condemn the muzzies use of bombs planted in the markets frequented by other muzzies, the bombs planted at muzzie weddings by their fellwo adherents of the blood clut of hatred posing as the religion of peace.

And why does every muzzie country need to maintain prisons and torture rooms to be used against their own citizenry when they protest the dictators who are brutalizing their own citizens.

Like all leftist losers you remain ignorant of what transpires throughout the region but quickly blame the israeli's for the misdeeds of the muzzies themselves

Better the world say, death to the prophet and a curse on all who blindly follow the death cult of islam

Cairo Speech
Does it matter he was WRONG on so many historical points?
Does it matter he is a LIAR?
Does it matter that he wants not to dictate to any nation except Israel?
Does it matter is simply is too caught in his own charisma to really be a leader?
Does it matter is is NOT a citizen of the United States of America?
What matters here?

Nobodys_Thom - TX @ 8:16
Good points, expecially the one: "It reminds me of high school after lunch break. ----- Is it just the desire to get invited to a state dinner or two? What causes this? The constant proving that they are "fair" and "even handed" when talking about a megalomaniacal eternal sophomore isn't fair OR evenhanded."

I believe that our current government is the ones behaving as sophomoric morons. WHERE ARE THE REAL MEN?

Israel
Where do I blame Israel for the failures of Islamic countries?

I just think it is disgraceful that here in the U.S., Israel is seen as the "victim" even though they kill, maim and destroy far, far more of the opponents than vice-versa.

How can anyone possibly dispute that?

Herman,IL
I would not want to be in your shoes. Your on dangerous ground. You stated that supporting Israel was a national disgrace. When in Gen 12:3 it states (talking about Israel and the Jews) "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Wise up!!!

Ronald and All Patriots:
There is something you can DO right now to make your voice heard!!

Join the citizens online American Grand Jury. We are now working in agreement with the rights given in the Constitution. Patriotic citizens will continue to advance this grass-roots movement to charge Obama with Treason and to seek the release of his personal hidden documents.

This 4th branch of the government has been given to us by our Founding Fathers for just such a time as this.

Every act that you do is important. This AGJ is a legal one which requires only a notarized oath of office from you and a small amount of your time online. Your participation will bolster your own sense of empowerment over the traitorous influences of Obama, the usurper in chief. Participate today. Do you have any stake in keeping this country from being remade by a tyrant? The American Grand Juries are working to save this country. Will you help us?

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herman x, muzzie hater of israel
so tell us bright boy, when have the israeli's strapped on dynamite vests and exploded them in the palestinean territories.

Give examples where the israelis planted bombs with ball bearings to mutilate as many innocents as possible who happened to be near the bombs when they went off.

Sow where the israeli's have launched random motar and rocket attacks with the sole purpose of killing civilians.

It seems your bias is that israel has no right to defend themselves from the endless attacks from a hostile and hateful enemy that indoctrinates from birth that israeli's are amongst the lower animal species.

Seems like you need new talking points from your hateful leader louise farrakhan. And better yet, like that clown posing as president learn something about history rather than the leftist indoctrination you have been subjected to

Killing opponents
The goal in war is to "kill, maim and destroy far, far more of the opponents than vice-versa." Morality is determined by whether the force is used in aggression or in defense, and there is no moral equivalency between the two.

Dennis?? How could you??
Dennis,

I have the highest respect for you, but would you please explain how you can ignore Obama's distortions and inaccuracies vis-a-vis G'd giving The Promised Land to the Chosen People? Obama ignores the Bible - how can you let that slide without comment? Isn't that "important"?

With best regards -

Dear Joel--
Though "politely suggested" by 2 posters now (that I know of) that you get your own blog, I sincerely hope you will not be sidetracked from posting on the column threads. But I am thinking that that might be the desired outcome-- intended or not, here. And I do indeed wonder if those suggestions are meant to get your very informed, persuasive, intelligent and patriotic posts OFF the columns where they hold so much weight in truth.

Yours is an important voice. Be careful who you listen to and question what may be beneath their "polite" suggestions.

Israel and the Bible
Yes it is truth that in the Bible God states he will bless the people who support Israel and punish those who don't.

Is that the same Israel who:

* Drops phosphorous bombs on innocent women and children

* Keeps thousands of Palestinians locked up in prison and freely admit they torture them?

* Destroys thousands of Palestinians homes and build Israel settlements on them?

I could go on and on but you get the idea. Is that the Israel God is talking about?

Joel
Barbara is right. Don't leave to get your own blog unless you are absolutely sure that your comments will somehow be read by as many of us as before. Just scatter your comments instead of blocking out a series of long posts in a row. Best wishes, and keep up the good work.

Throughout history
Islam has never really been known to be a tolerant religion. Their original premise was to convert everyone, and if people resist then they are "infidels" and should be killed. I don't see Islam as being a very tolerant religion right now either. I think there are individual Muslims within the religion that do not buy the "party line" and want to worship like the rest of us, in peace. I think that is why they settle in countries outside the Middle East, so that they too can practice their religion in a somewhat sane environment. But I don't see Islam as being peaceful or tolerant as a whole. Re Obomba's speech, much as I think he's the worst thing to ever hit the Oval Office, perhaps someone who is still able to charm the world actually needed to say those things to the Muslims. Of course, AFTER all the apologies (Apologist-in-Chief!).

SAD?
Well, I personally don't think the speech was to blame for the ineptitude and over all FILTH of the thing that delivered the speech. Maybe now those who were riding the fence and wondering which way to go, will not get off on the FILTHY side of Obabba. Even the lefty Jewish people must see what an incompetent and destructive moron they have put in D.C.

BUT HEY...AIN'T IT GREAT TO HAVE A MAN OF COLOR AS PRESIDENT? EVEN IF HE"D JUST AS SOON SEE ALL JEWISH PEOPLE GONE BY THE WAYSIDE...

Herman,IL
All I see is Israel defending itself and the land that God gave them. I do not believe they are evil but even if they were. God's word still stands he will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. God will bring judgement on whom did right and wrong in the end. Obey what the Bible says and you can't go wrong you were obedient to his word. If Israel is in the wrong he will take care of them. As I said before though I believe Israel is only defending itself and you have been listening to too many liberal lies by the mainstream media.

Immaterial
>Yes it is truth that in the Bible God states he will bless the people who support Israel and punish those who don't.<

As soon as we base out foreign policy on what is stated in the Bible, we abandon any sense of upholding the Constitutional mandate that this country prohibit the "respecting an establishment of religion" in the 1st amendment.

Our support for Israel should be based on the geopolitical reality of the 21st century.

Herman
Only after they were attacked first

It is also Sad
The most of the World rejects God's holy Son.

You want sad look there.

The land
>All I see is Israel defending itself and the land that God gave them.<

God didn't give them the land. United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 did.

Dear Joel
Be careful who you listen to even thought they speak so "politely." My intuition tells me that there are those "angels of light" who are really devils who might want your voice to be side lined for their own questionable intentions.

Your voice here on the columns, Joel, is persuasive, penetrating, patriotic and holds it own weight in speaking the truth. Don't be too hasty to listen to Chord and others. BTW who exactly IS Chord? A little too syrupy, don't you think? Do you know him? I've never seen him post on here before.

Chord's alluding to wanting a meal and a snack sounds somewhat like the Ancient Egyptian Amenit, the Devourer of souls.

If you do go to your own blog, please do not abandon your admirable audience here on the columns. And be sure to note just exactly how many times Chord actually posts there.

liully the senile marxist show up
seems you have no trouble telling us how wonderful america will be when your love god, the messiah from the corrupt acorn group works to destroy america.

We are treated to your never ending litany of the wonders of marxism and how much better america will be under b hussein obamarxist's socialist nirvana.

Seems I was right all along, you days as a beatnik, listening to folk singers tell how much they hated america while you smoked pot and indulged in free love, rotted what little gray matter existed between your ears.

But like all those who enable parasites, you are quick to tell how society should reward the losers while you live large on your pensions and investments.

You have admitted to be well off but your compassion extends to wasting taxpayer dollars while you enjoy the retirement years and cry about the losers too stupid and too lazy to take care of themselves

Israel
I honestly don't think the readers on this website realize how vile Israel really is.

Remember the Israel-Lebanon "War" (which was actually an Israeli massacre) a couple of years ago?

It started because Lebanon "kidnapped" 2 (yes 2) Israeli soldiers. Lebanaon said they captured them on their own soil.

Israel then killed thousands of defenseless and fleeing Lebanese citizens, destroyed their infrastructure and dropped millions (yes millions) of unexploded cluster bombs over Southern Lebanon making vast areas on that country uninhabitable.

Herman
When has Israel ever decreed that one of their objectives is to completely irradicate any other country from the face of the map. Yet that is what many palestinians, and some muslim states have as a cornerstone of their existance. You make a big deal about the many palestinians who were displaced since the country of Israel was established, but what about the many jews that lived in arabic countries who were subsequently chased from their countries. Bagdad used to have a very large jewish population, as did other cities in the middle east. The wealth that the jews were forced to leave behind in those countries far exceeds any money the palestinians lost through the establishment of Israel.

It's more than sad...
Sorry, but I don't buy the 'unbreakable bond' with Israel talk; doesn't square with his actions and the worldview of his radical associates. He's putting the screws on Israel like never before - a 'final' Diaspora seems more likely to be his target. There's a better, clearer, stronger take at "Israel Matters" at Paul Gable's http://www.brushfires-of-freedom.com/israel.html

Sad? Perhaps. Ridiculous?
For sure. I really do not understand why Mr. Prager gives this ridiculous speech any ink.

Who does Prager think Obama was speaking for in this speech? Prager? Me? Hardly. Obama was speaking for himself, to exalt himself as some kind of global spokesman for the suffering of the world. He should have worn peace beads and rose colored glasses like his mother probably wore.

The speech was pure mush, signifying nothing and leading to nothing and it makes ME sad that Prager gave it the respect he did.

Pancho
No, actually in Genesis 15:18 it states "IN the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
So it was already theirs before the United Nations had their say and besides I think God carries more clout than the United Nations. I'm just saying.

Hello, Barbara, Az

Who is Chord?
Someone who reads far more than he posts.
I’ve been reading here on TH for about three years.
I was reading TH while Joel was abroad serving our country.
I believe Joel is who he says he is, and did what he said he did.
There is something about him that rings true,
unlike some of the REMFs such as H. D. who post here.

I agree with you- “Joel, is persuasive, penetrating, patriotic
and holds (his) own weight in speaking the truth.”
I think he “Groks” the truth of the enemy, while others do not.
I hope he CONTINUES to POST AND SHOULD BLOG ALSO, but I
am concerned that his delivery reach and engage as many
readers as possible- aka the delivery of accurate fire on target.

Joel and I had a discussion before this, and I did not want him
to consider my comments to be “friendly fire” again, so I was as
diplomatic as possible in my approach.


Hermie in IL
You do “go on and on” making ignorant going to stupid remarks and asking equally ignorant going to stupid questions in your posts. Your posts reveal you as an “ignoramus,” as Chavez called Obama, as “weak and ineffective” like Sakorzy said Obama is. Your posts reveal you also as a hateful, ignorant and stupid anti-Israel, Jew-hating, pro-Muslim, Arab, Palestinian, Islamic jihadist supporting idiot with your head in the sand like an ostrich, butt high in the air waiting for your next screwing by Obama and without lube.
You offer not one shred of credible proof for your half-vast opinions or any expertise of qualifications on which to base them. [Mine are here on Townhall at my blog.]
I invite you to read my blog’s one post some weeks ago, my post here today and try to respond to it honestly, truthfully, factually, realistically, rationally and with some facts and evidence of your qualifications, and to Google Israel+demographic and look at the religion, race and ethnics section there to know at least the diverse people that you address in your posts as Israelis
You will find helpful also if you wish to overcome what is most likely your willful ignorance: A History of Israel, John Bright; Israel & the Nations, F. F. Bruce; A Peace to End All Peace, David Fromkin; The World of Islam: Resources for Understanding, Global Mapping Int’l (a CD available via email to info@gmi.org); They Must Be Stopped, Brigitte Gabriel; Hamas, Matthew Levitt; The Truth About Muhammad, Robert Spencer; The Two Faces of Islam, Stephen Schwartz, and Why I Am Not a Muslim, Ibn Warraq.

Why the Cairo Speech was so sad
Because a second rate junior Senator/ community organizer who got elected through the machinations of an illiterate electorate being manipulated by a complicit media, who shouldn't even be in that office, was the one giving it.

To Ronald
Thanks for your ad hominem attacks. You have given me a lot to think about.

You didn't dispute (much less refute) anything I wrote.

You just called me names.

Please tell me where I am wrong. Is it:

* The massacre level death rates Israel inflicts on their enemies

* The land and property of their adversaries that Israel either destroys and takes over

* The thousands in Israeli jails

* Their despicable deeds carried out with American taxpayer dollars

What exactly are you disputing?

Pancho
"God didn't give them the land. United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 did."

Well done Pancho. You are correct. And don't forget that the US was instrumental in forming this resolution and had the backing of the world community. A global commitment to Israel's survival and prosperity if you will. By the great powers of the world!

Then I am sure that you agree that Israel is obligated to honor The UN and Res 181 by defending that land by any means they deem necessary. And that the US, as well as the other country's involved in Res 181, should at least lend a helping hand.


Don't you?

"Never let a crisis go to waste"

And if he doesn't have one handy, he (they) will create one.

Here is a seminal article that should be required reading for all:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the _strategy.html

It should help you understand that no matter what the speech
or comment made, you should watch what he does-
not what he says.

Herman says:
****I honestly don't think the readers on this website realize how vile Israel really is.
Remember the Israel-Lebanon "War" (which was actually an Israeli massacre) a couple of years ago?
It started because Lebanon "kidnapped" 2 (yes 2) Israeli soldiers. Lebanaon said they captured them on their own soil.
Israel then killed thousands of defenseless and fleeing Lebanese citizens, destroyed their infrastructure and dropped millions (yes millions) of unexploded cluster bombs over Southern Lebanon making vast areas on that country uninhabitable.****

Herman, I don't know the details of that conflict, so I don't know if your words are accurate or not, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, I can only applaud Israel.

Would that I belonged to a country that, if one of their citizens is captured by a foreign power, bombs the living hell out of the foreign power to teach it to leave its citizens alone.

Hoorah!!

On the nail Darlene
The UN (correct expansion is "Useless Numpties", given their actual record of crisis management--worsening/perpetuating several, never preventing or solving any) basically is a total failure, especially when one of the crises it perpetuates is that of the myth that a group which actively aided the Nazis in implementing "Final Solution" (specifically "Palestinians") can at all be termed refugees!

UN
The correct name of the "Useless Numpties" is the International Association of Dictators and Tyrants, IADT for short.

Presumptive, No Different Dullard Pancho
Are you familiar with the Shahadah? Do you know what it is, what it says, what it means to Muslims, all Muslims? Do you know all Muslims, not only all Muslim nations share common aims: To take over the world for Allah, a worldwide caliphate with Shar’ia law, and to convert, subjugate or murder all unbelievers in Islam starting with Jews and Christians? Do you know those aims when it is understood as all Muslims do are in the Shahadah – one clue for you, Muslim confession of faith - to become and to be a Muslim like Obama?
Obviously based on your posts you do not know or understand any of that. You then have and live in distorted reality, lacking truth, facts, real history and current events living on false assumptions and nonsense.
There is no comparison of Islamic faith belief with any other faith belief or Muslims with any other people. It is Muslims who have called for since the founding of Islam fulfillment of their aims that are not comparable to anyone else’s beliefs, hopes, desires or aims.
Since the current resurgence of Islamic jihadists in the mid-1970s Muslim leaders have screamed these truths to the entire world loudly, shrilly in many ways many times and at many places including here in the U.S. How is it that you so obviously have not heard them?
The aims of all Muslims are genocide, and you aid, abet, apologize for and support them in their aims. So unless you are a Muslim, willing to convert quickly, be subjugated or murdered your posts make no sense at all. (cont.)

Muslims feel the same way
>I think God carries more clout than the United Nations.<

Which is, of course, a big part of the problem, since both side feel God is on their side.

Eugene - Israel has every right to defend itself. Sometimes this defense has turned to offense, but given the ideology of their foes, it's quite understandable.

The biggest sticking point for me, at this juncture, and I'm with Obama on this, is the expansion of Israeli settlements on the West Bank. We wouldn't tolerate Mexicans moving into Arizona or California and setting up settlements in violation of indigenous property rights. Oh wait.....


Would that I
Curtal Friar:

Herman's assessment of the July War is basically correct. Moreover, it wasn't Lebanon proper that kidnapped the soldiers, but Hezbollah. It would be like if the the Minutemen kidnapped a pair of illegals - they may represent a portion of popular opinion, but they certainly are not the government.

What bothers me is your statement:

"Would that I belonged to a country that, if one of their citizens is captured by a foreign power, bombs the living hell out of the foreign power to teach it to leave its citizens alone."

How can you hold that opinion while Guantanamo is open? Honestly?

Ronald
Your presumptions about me are incredibly arrogant and display an out of control ego.

>Obviously based on your posts you do not know or understand any of that. You then have and live in distorted reality, lacking truth, facts, real history and current events living on false assumptions and nonsense.<

The only thing that's obvious to me is your commitment to hyperbole.

Phylo
Ordinarily I scroll by your drivel but you are so over the top regarding Rush. And the reason you and your ilk HATE and Despise Rush is because he can put you and your ILK down in a heartbeat.
You call Rush a RACIST..quit the canards..I agree with RUSH, I want the magic Messiah to FAIL and to FAIL miserably..am I a Racist? I guess you can ask my husband whose grandfather was an American indian or my adopted son who has MORE Negro blood in his veins than the magic messiah 25% black/25% hispanic/50% white as opposed to the MM's 7% black/43% ARAB and 50% white.
Furthermore, he's such a racist Rush asked Justice Clarence Thomas to officiate at his wedding a few years ago. And he's NEVER, unlike the true RACIST liberals, had a bad word to say about Justice Thomas.

Presumptive, No Dif Pancho in UT - 2
No Muslim is innocent at or above the age of reason whatever age you reckon that to be. Obama has said many times, many places and in many ways he was raised in Indonesia as a Muslim in his “formative years” – age 6-10. That strikes me as about the right ages for lifelong formation and reason. He has had ample opportunities to convert away from Islam but has not done so as he makes obvious also many times, many places and in many ways.
The Constitutional basis for nuclear strikes if needed is in the preamble to the U.S. Constitution with emphasis in the current world situation on “provide for the common defense” and as Obama could not get right in two tries on two different days, “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” In the Oath that I took more than once with no expiration date on the final one with the added phrase “against all enemies, foreign or DOMESTIC.”
All said and done, Pancho, “there is no [apparent] justification for your holier-than-thou posts chiding others for their beliefs based on solid evidence of facts, truth, real history and current events.

Pancho
"The biggest sticking point for me, at this juncture, and I'm with Obama on this, is the expansion of Israeli settlements on the West Bank. We wouldn't tolerate Mexicans moving into Arizona or California and setting up settlements in violation of indigenous property rights."

First, unless you have a direct line to Bibi screw your sticking point. If they feel that's the best way to defend themselves from people who threaten their annihilation so be it.

And when the US threatens Mexico's very existence then.....

And don't worry Pancho. No one here thinks you're very smart anyway. But keep trying to convince us.

Book Recommendations
Hair-splitting Lebanon 'proper' and Hezbollah is of no good use. Hezbollah is a proxy for Iran. The 'real' Lebanon is long gone.

I highly recommend Brigitte Gabriel's Because They Hate, telling of her survival in Lebanon during the approx 1975-1983 fighting following the Christian majority taking in Palestinians (the only country to do so, WHY?) and those Christians were destroyed for their kindness. Also see Robert Baer's The Devil We Know (about the emerging Superpower, Iran) - he's a Middle Eastern expert who's been 'on the ground' and knows the players.

Joel
Add my voice to the others, looking forward to your blog but please don't stop writing here.
Your words can't be repeated often enough, there are always people who aren't posting and reading your words..you don't have any idea how many people you are reaching.
And that goes for the other posters whose wisdom is benefiting all of us. What was it one of the Founders said? Something about all hanging together or else be hung alone..paraphrase but something like that.

Presumptive, No Diff Pancho - 2
No Muslim is innocent at or above the age of reason whatever age you reckon that to be. Obama has said many times, many places and in many ways he was raised in Indonesia as a Muslim in his “formative years” – age 6-10. That strikes me as about the right ages for lifelong formation and reason. He has had ample opportunities to convert away from Islam but has not done so as he makes obvious also many times, many places and in many ways.
The Constitutional basis for nuclear strikes if needed is in the preamble to the U.S. Constitution with emphasis in the current world situation on “provide for the common defense” and as Obama could not get right in two tries on two different days, “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” In the Oath that I took more than once with no expiration date on the final one with the added phrase “against all enemies, foreign or DOMESTIC.”
All said and done, Pancho, “there is no [apparent] justification for your holier-than-thou posts chiding others for their beliefs based on solid evidence of facts, truth, real history and current events.

Poor in AL
Most Jews living in the U.S. are far different from Israeli Jews. Most Jews here are Liberals, unfaithful to the religious beliefs expected of Jews, and are therefore, lying cowards too afraid to return to the ancient homeland of the Jews as commanded by God. U.S. Jews were a 70% bloc of the top 4 - Muslims, Blacks, Spanish as first-language speakers - among the less than 25% of illegally, legally registered who voted for Obama giving him a 53-47% margin over McCain. More than 20% of Obama voters and a growing number and percentage have been showing voter remorse for months now. This accounts In part for Obama’s job approval today of Obama's job approval Tuesday June 9 is +8 up from last Friday’s all-time low of 0, and way below +28 on 1/21/09 by the most reliable, accurate, least biased poll. His approval has been in single digits with only two exceptions of +10 since a +11 on March 31.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/oba ma_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Well poorgrandchildren.com
Your corrected abbreviation works almost as well.

"Almost", as one would also need to assign a name to UN's wrecked predecessor other than "Lame Numpties".

Written on the water
I agree with Prager that Obama said some necessary things in his speech. Several other commentators have noted that he made good points about Muslim actions against both Jews in general and Isreal in particular.

The problem is; Did He Mean It?

Given his track record both before and after election, the answer is no. Obama has shown absolutely no hesitation in repudiating anything or anybody inconvenient to his own self-justification. When he gets some push-back from things he said in that speech, he will immediately abjure that part of the speech.

Israel
Lilly brings up a good point.

Everyone knows that Israel is far stronger militarily than the rest of the Middle East combined.

The one comment about Israel being wiped from the map (taken wildly out of context) is repeated over and over again.

Why?

The insure the never ending flow of American taxpayer hand outs, "loans" and militarily equipment Israel might continue to find enemies to justify these transfers. And if Israel can find enemies they have to make them up.

Remember when Israel warned of Iraq's nuclear arsenal? They are now pulling the same trick only this time with Iran.

More arrogance
>And don't worry Pancho. No one here thinks you're very smart anyway.<

You claim to speak for everyone on this board? And you think that's intelligent?

Paranoid mystic
Oh man, every time I think I've seen the height of stupidity, along comes someone like you to top it.

Okay, let's put this in simple terms.

The prisoners in Guantanamo are ones who were terrorists, who had either attacked, were planning to attack, or were part of a group who had attacked our citizens. They fall in the same category as the Hezbollah who attacked Israeli citizens. When other powers threaten the citizens of a country, the government needs to act.

Frankly, I think putting those b@stards in Guantanamo and feeding them better food than some of the poor in our country is a d@mned shame, a d@mned crying shame.

The terrorists enjoy making videos of our people being tortured and beheaded, we should have returned the favor with their people. Hell, I'd volunteer. I'd forcefeed each one of those b@stards a nice big helping of pork before they bite the dust, too.

lillky the senile marxist
of course you lefties hate israel. They are fighting for their existence against barbarians determined to bring about the next holocaust.

But wqe already know the extent of your compassion. You have a place of honor in your thinking for the castro's and chavez as well as the muzzies and the blood cult.

It never ceases to amaze how you leftists hate america but always love dictators who imprison and kill their own citizens who dare protest their own governments.

But all those dictators you admire also have their secret police and torture rooms they use against their own citizens

You claim to be offended by israel determined to protect themselves from being butchered by the muzzies.

But the rest of us are offended by your never ending hatred of america and how much you love the messiah and his efforts to turn america into a marxist paradise with himself as dictator

But mostly many of us are offended by your never ending desire to put your ignorance on display.

Funny how you marxists never want to leaver america however. If cuba is such a paradise why aren't you enjoying your golden years with the castros.

Hating israel for defending their citizens against the blood cult of the muzzies only proves how pathetic and disgusting a human you truly are

Did TH Actually Listen to the Speech?
"President Obama's speech to the Islamic world was a groundbreaking event. Never before has a young dynamic American President, beloved both by his countrymen and the nations of the world, extended so timely and eager a hand to a part of the globe that, recently, had seen fewer and fewer reasons to wish us well...Never before had a President gone over to the Arab world and clearly broadcast its flaws: extremism, nuclear weapons programs, and a faltering record in human rights, education, and economic development---the Arab world gets no passing grades in any of these domains." A. Aciman

This is sad? My guess is that many at TH didn't even listen to the speech or read it but accepted a pre-digested version from right wing propagandists.

Do you mean?
>But all those dictators you admire also have their secret police and torture rooms they use against their own citizens<

Like the Shah?

Pancho in UT – 3
You know some big words but obviously not their meaning or how they apply to you. You need to see Dr. Lyle Rossiter and the other evidences against you Lib Dem Obamaniac Loons like the Stern, Zogby/Ziegler, Leno street interviews, Wal-Mart Stampede pix and vids of jackasses braying at the Goldmans outside the OJ sentencing courtroom.
You are making less sense than them, and your projection of your traits onto others is clear proof of your mental illness as proven scientifically by Dr. Rossiter, renowned forensic psychiatrist, in his excellent book. You are the presumptive one, “incredibly arrogant [ignorant of your arrogance and ignorant in your arrogance that you are] display[ing] an out of control ego.”
Thank you for your admission that “the only thing obvious to [you] is [my] commitment to hyperbole,” although I used no hyperbole in my response to you. Read your posts again, dear, and mine to you. Your posts are filled with hyperbole, nonsense and a clear show of your ignorance of the U.S. Constitution, Islam and national defense in a most dangerous world. I asked you a lot of questions. You are unable to answer any of them.
How sad for you that the only thing in your miserable life obvious to you is wrong.
Thus you are abysmally ignorant on the subjects about which you have posted. Worse yet you are so apparently willfully ignorant, not the least bit interested in learning.
I suggest you follow the sage, timeworn advice: It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. In other words stop posting here, anywhere else or engaging in adult conversation until you have grown up and learned a few more things than the only one you confessed was obvious to you.
I will not be responding to you anymore until if and when those things happen for you.

Sad?
It's said that the president does not stay in the middle east for good and let us rebuild our country after he has accelerated it's destruction in the last several months.

To cactus head
Please note the state from which a post is made. Someone calling himself "Lilly" and saying things I have not said happens to originate in MI, which I guess is Michigan. You will see that my posts come from IL, which is where I live; I have often posted on aspects of life in Chicago (TH posters have even speculated that I work for Acorn or know Obama).

Just for the record, I don't feel competent to post about the Middle East because I have no academic background, life experience, depth of reading or private study, or other expertise in that complex area of difficulties. I also don't know much about economics. I try to avoid commenting on matters I don't know about and to stick to what I do know. So your quarrel is with Lilly from MI, and not Lilly from IL.

To cactus head
Sorry, "Lilly the Senile Marxist" lives in MN, not MI. My mistake. Whichever, that's not moi.

To Ronald
My little brother lived in Argentina from age 4-11. How do you explain the fact that he is not a Peronista?? He later attended high school in Lebanon. Should he now be a Muslim? Please advise so I can let him know.

Israel Visit Nonexistant by BO
To claim his visit to the Muslim world in Cairo was so important that we paid for a 3000 man contingent of secret service, for example, then to not visit the bordering Israel is a disgrace. I am embarassed for our country that a president does not know that the protocol for Middle East trips is that the USA treats the opposing sides with fairness. It seems to me that BO is flying in the face of decades of US policy supporting Israel and that is only typical of a usurper, illegally acting to cause more problems which he can say he will solve if he only had more authority and tax payer funding.

Stupie:
The Israelis offered Arafat 95% of the land he wanted for a "Palestinian" state, and he turned it down, and launched the infitada. Gaza was given to the "Palestinians" for a homeland, and they promptly turned it into a terrorist central, lainching thousands of rockets at Israeli, then whining when Israel struck back. Unless and until you can convince the "Palestinians" to accept Israel's existence, a "two state solution" is NO solution

To sophie
A TH regular has posted several times that God gave the United States to "us" (I think he means white people of Northern European extraction). A TV show the other night on the subject of the Cherokee Trail of Tears says the Cherokee were pretty sure that God had given them what is now North and South Carolina and Georgia, and, by golly, they WERE here first and had been for hundreds of years before WE showed up. How confusing. Must go find lunch now to disentangle my poor brain.

Ronald
You're embarrassing yourself. Generic rants, complete with associations to

>you Lib Dem Obamaniac Loons like the Stern, Zogby/Ziegler, Leno street interviews, Wal-Mart Stampede pix and vids of jackasses braying at the Goldmans outside the OJ sentencing courtroom.
You are making less sense than them, and your projection of your traits onto others is clear proof of your mental illness<

have nothing to do with any post I've made here. But if you feel better aimlessly ranting, which you obviously do, it's your constitutionally protected right to do so.

llily the senile marxist from ill
yes you are the pathetic marxist who hates america and can't wait for your love god the corrupt acorn messiah to destroy capitalism and bring about the socialist nirvana you long for

We have witnessed you constant attacks against this country and your non stop calls for more handouts for the losers that leftists like you fully enable.

Too bad you fail to understand the simple notion of personal responsibility

Wow, Sophie...Bitter much...
Did anyone else notice the dig at Christianity here or is it just me..."Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition"

The Inquisition is something always used as an example of the 'Catholic Church's intolerance' and has been used against Christianity as a whole. Was Obama saying in a round about way that there was a time when the Muslim community was MORE accepting that Christians...hmm????

the original cactus head
Lillky?? By George, that's hilarious!

I think you must be responding to the other
Lilly (from Illinois?)

I've never commented on Cuba, Chavez or Castro.

When you reach your forties, I guess you can be
called senile. But a "senile Marxist", now you're going to far, Mister.

"Pathetic and disgusting"? You sure you're not
little Dick, an old boyfriend I dumped 20 years
ago?

My "Golden Years"? See above.

"Putting my ignorance on display"? It happens,
Cactus. It's the senility.

Hello corndog
Uh-uh. Not true. Muslims did indeed occupy and govern Spain for 800 years until they were finally thrown out in the late 1400's by Isabela La Catolica (the same Spanish queen who bankrolled Columbus' voyage to the New World). You say they were intolerant of Christian Europe after 1000, yet between 1000 and 1492 Spain enjoyed the period known to historians as "La Convivencia" which literally means "the living together". There was a high degree of social tolerance, and many advances in scholarship and early science and mathematics came from this time and place.

Herman
Your maiden name isn't Munster, perchance??

Lilly
isn't Munster your married name?

lilly writes:
"This is sad? My guess is that many at TH didn't even listen to the speech or read it but accepted a pre-digested version from right wing propagandist"
-----

Oh really?

As opposed to whom? The "Ministry of Government Information", aka, the Mainstream Media?

Here's a flash for you, Lilly. It is quite possible for someone to have both watched and read the entire speech and to have come to a completely different opinion as you.

In fact, it is likely...

lilly from mn
my comments are for lilly from ill.

lilly - IL
It appears that there is some confusion when we
post at the same time.

I never "pretend" to be you and I always enjoy
reading your posts. You sound well-versed in
History which I've always been rather
lackluster in.

Maybe I should change to Lilly 2.

Regards from the "senile Marxist"

Tom Brokaw
What can the Israelis learn from Buchenwald about their treatment of Palestinians? Either Tom Brokaw has completely lost his mind or else he's got to be an anti-Semite of the worst kind.

Stupie:
If your assertion is true, why did the Spaniards fight for nearly 800 years to get the Moors out.

BTW, the Muslims were so tolerant of Christians and Jews, that the changed every major Christian Cathedral or Shrine, and Jewish Holy Site into a mosque. Seems they wanted no competition.

Really!
Since the current administration has made it clear to Israel that we will not re supply Israel if it attacks Iran. That will have the unintended consequence of making Israel more likely to use its tactical weapons so that the war will be over before it starts.

Do not think that Israel will not protect itself.

howie
since other members of the msm have been given the talking points that flap ears wants to answer it is more than likely he was fed this question.

The last time brokaw showed a modicum of being a real anchorman was prior to the election when he asked how could americans vote for someone they know little if anything about.

SFA1973
"isn't Munster your married name?"

Ah, how I wish it were true. No, I'm just one
of those 40 something spinsters, no husband, no
children, just a dog named Jay.



Sophie

Feel better after your "rant", little girl?

When the MAJORITY of the American electorate gets its "news" from sources other than the near-dead alphabet soup news bureaus and the dying Boston Globes and NYTimes, then I will be optimistic that they are getting what they are supposed to be getting from the so-called "watchdogs" of our government.

And no, so far neither Fox News nor Rush have been silenced - but their audiences are growing. Not true for your favorite sources.

That really frosts you, doesn't it?

BTW, your "victim" comment is truly hilarious coming from one whose ideology depends so much on the "victim class".

Okay, you've had your 15 minutes of fame - get back to that which your employer pays you.

Lilly:
Keep looking. I really didn't find my sweetie until I was 41 and she was 39. Been together 16.5 years now.

SFA1973
I was actually kind of kidding (except about the
kids).

But what a lovely, kind post!

Israel
I know it is a fantasy to expect a rational conversation from a supporter of Israel but maybe one of you can explain to me why Israel can have nuclear weapons but Iran cannot?

And who gets to decide that?

Sophie & SFA1973
Sophie:

I don't know if you know this or not, but Mod Mark has made his return to TownHall; he posted some comments this morning on Robert Knight's thread.

SFA1973:

So we have a 40-something single liberal woman who hasn't been able to find a husband, huh?

Gee, can't imagine why: we all know what compassionate, kind, self-sacrificing, self-controlled, gracious, wise, feminine women these liberal women are, right? Don't the ones who post to THIS site evidence these qualities in abundance?

And we also all know how these qualities abound (even the last one I mentioned, FEMININE) as well in liberal men; again, don't the ones who
post to this site ALSO evidence this constantly?

So I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED, I say, to hear that a 40-ish liberal woman hasn't been able to find the love of her life, what with such a bumper crop of high-quality liberal men to choose from.

Then again, with liberals, don't ever presume that the love of one's life that one may be looking for is necessarily of the OPPOSITE sex.

Oh Herman
Well, I would say having a rational conversation with anti semetics with 5th grade educations is even more of a fantasy - but here goes. I guess I will start at the end - "who gets to decide that (Iran cannot a bomb while Israel does)" - well Herman, that would be THE ENTIRE WORLD. It's called Nuclear Non - Proliferation treaty and every member of the UN has signed it. Its really quite simple, regardless of who has the bomb right now, or how many, the chances of another one going off goes up significantly every time another country gets it. By your logic, North Korea should have it. Take a look at the headlines today - they basically said they would mercilessly nuke "who touch the country's dignity and sovereignty even a bit". Even a bit? So, Herman, its not just a bunch of Americans (controlled by Jews) deciding who should or who should not get the bomb. Its pretty much agreed that less is better. Oh, and any non anti-semite would see pretty clearly that one country who literally threatens to wipe another off the map, and does it repeatedly probably should not have the bomb, but that is beside the point. Grow up Herman and take your anti semitism elsewhere.

Sophie says:
if you throw "god" into any legal or gov't dispute, common sense and rational thought goes out the window. However, 1 Cor. 3:19 says "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. Also, 1 Cor. 2:14 says "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: (does this describe you Sohie?) neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Sophie responds:
"Most americans aren't interested in just gobbling up RNC fed talking points!"
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Oh - I see. And just what color is a cloudless noonday sky on your planet?

I observe you don't want to address how your favorite media outlets are failing.

This isn't about "ME", dear, but nice try at deflection.

Standshisground
See Reply #129 + #132

In reality, this 40 something has a cherished
dog named Jay, no kids, and a cherished man-about-the-house named Duncan. When I travel
alone, I admit to missing the dog as much as the
man-about-the-house.

And yet we think of ourselves as rather a happy
household. Weird, that.



Cairo Speech
"unbreakable bond" with Israel...what utter nonsense! It is not, not has it ever been in a nation's self interest to have such a bond with a foreign nation. George Washington warned of this in his farewell address.
Any thinking person who is not just taken in by the mainstream media's brainwashing, can see that the Israelis' treatment of the Palestinians is shameful and barbaric. I say this without being an apologist for Palestinian acts of terror.
Our blind allegiance to the state of Israel benefits Israel...not the United States of America. That's not an anti-semetic sentiment, it's a pro-American sentiment.

OK, Herman
Try this:

Billy Graham can have an AK-47 but Ted Bundy cannot.

Florence Nightingale can have a razor but Jack the Ripper cannot.

I can have a pistol in my house, but I sure as Hel* hope the thrice-paroled rapist/murderer/intruder breaking into my home does not carry one.

Neither Billy, Florence, nor me are perfect people; but none of us has threatened to annihilate our neighbor -- and our use of weapons would be for self-defense, if we used them at all.

And if per chance you are among the brainwashed who believe Israel is the miscreant and the Palestinians the victim, then I have this to say to you: you're sadly lacking in discernment or the ability to read (as in something other than Reuters, et al.), or worse.

The bad guys usually do telegraph their evil intentions. It's part of the thrill of the kill; Hitler's Mein Kampf is an obvious example, in this context. He wasn't taken seriously either, and look what it cost the world.




Little Hermie in IL
My intent in this last post ever to you, unless and until you grow up and learn some things, get well from your mental illness and/or over your Islamic faith belief, desire to be converted, subjugated or murdered by Islamic jihadists is to: 1) Wrap this up and you in the huge and growing ball of bovine defecation that you have enmeshed yourself, 2) To try to educate some of the others who have posted to you generally far wide of the mark apropos to Prager’s article. You sad little twit have turned this more into a maniacal rant against Israel, Israelis – not even knowing who or what they are – Jews and for Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians and Islamic jihadists. 3) I will avoid any direct reference to the one of your ilk that I have dismissed already. She, like you, has shown clearly her desire to remain willfully ignorant and whiny. You offered some encouragement though by saying “[I] have given [you] a lot to think about.” Based on your posts I doubt you are capable of thinking; you’d rather emote and lie first to yourself.
First we clear up some minor matters: 1) I do not do ad hominem attacks. Among other things I am an educated, trained, practiced, professional counselor. I make observations and report them, give you and others feedback on them. That is not an ego thing, but rather a simple statement of fact. 2) I dispute and refuted everything you wrote and do so likewise with everything you have written and posted here today since. All you have written are lies, half-truths, distortions, misrepresentations and Islamic jihad propaganda. 3) You are wrong about everything you have posted here. Your language is inflammatory and intended to be so as the propaganda that it is. 4) Disputation with you is not possible for all the reasons in the posts I have made in response to you and the other unnamed one or others like you. (cont.)

Andy the Mensa Member
"having a rational conversation with anti
semetics with a 5th grade education"

You typed "semetics" incorrectly to test us,
right?

Little Hermie in IL - 2
Also your mind is closed; sealed as tight as it can be in your rabid protection of your willful ignorance going to stupidity.
I doubt you have looked by my qualifications in my blog here. I am certain you have not shown any qualifications of yours nor have you Googled Israel+demographics and read it with comprehension or the Dhimmi you are working yourself into it seems eagerly. I doubt you will read any of the references I provided for you.
Now here are some truths, facts, real history and current events for you and other readers here, posed in part as questions:
“The massacre level death rates Israel inflicts on their enemies” – “Their” should be her, but never mind. There are 13-14M Jews worldwide, half or more of them in Israel homeland of Jews for about 4K years uninterrupted – at all times a Jewish presence there through 2 exiles, the Roman occupation, massacre and destruction, and the Diaspora. Another half or more of the total worldwide Jewish population lives in the Americas. The small remainder are scattered around the world. Muslims claim 1.7-1.9B worldwide; media report falsely 1.2-1.5B. Thus your Islamic jihad propaganda lie of proportionality – you labeled it “massacre level death rates” – goes out the window. The massacre-level death rates are those Muslims have inflicted on others, including other Muslims, and the massacre of the WWII Holocaust including of 6M Jews. See I do not disappoint. I included the Holocaust. (cont.)

Little Hermie in IL - 3
I want you not to disappoint yourself much anymore or others:
1) Calculate if you can the projected present world Jewish population if 6M or so had not been slaughtered in the Holocaust, or you can Google that too.
2) Explain first to yourself how 13-14M Jews, say half in tiny Israel about the size of NJ with ¼ or so of it carved out by the West Bank and more by the Gaza Strip are a threat to 1.2-1.9B Muslims most of them surrounding on three sides – the Mediterranean Sea on the other side – in depth massive land areas of Muslim countries including Africa, Turkey, Iran and beyond into the many Stans, Caucasus, Europe, GB and Asia.
3) And just for fun take a wag at how many Muslims there are in the Americas, including esp. the U.S. As to the latter I will give you a clue: A published figure in 2003 was 5M. I guesstimate it now at 7-10M and my guess is as good as anyone else’s since our own laws precluded us from asking about religion in Census taking. By the way my many Muslim friends and enemies tell me the U.S. is the easiest country for them to take over due to our laws, relatively recent fascination with tolerance of diversity, and now they have Obama. (cont.)


Little Hermie in IL - 4
“The land and property of their adversaries that Israel either destroys and takes over” – You don’t even know what Israel is or who Israelis are. Modern Israel has not ever taken over the land or property of anyone else. Land has been taken from Israel, Israelis, Jews and others, and been given by Israelis, Jews to others in failed land for peace deals since Modern Israel was established in 1948 pursuant to UN Res. 181 of 1947 that provided also for a Palestinian State. The Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians did not establish a state and have not done so to this very day. If they wanted to do so they could have and still can at any time without the meddling of Carter, Clinton, GWB or Obama in the affairs of a Sovereign Nation-State. The IDF forcibly removed Jews from the Gaza Strip in 2005. Hamas and others set about immediately destroying anything of value the Jews left behind. Christians were rescued from the Gaza Strip later. Hamas principally murdered in horrendous ways other Muslims, Arab, Palestinians, took over the Gaza Strip completely and started firing rockets into Israel daily with few interruptions. Both Israel and Egypt closed the border access to the Gaza Strip but Israel continued providing essential services like electricity, fuel and water. The UN has been there all along “monitoring” the activities in the Gaza Strip. And finally you don’t even know who first used the term Palestine, thus Palestinians, when, where and why. (cont.)


Little Hermie in IL - 5
“The thousands in Israeli jails” – Not near enough obviously since attacks against Israel continue by Islamic jihadists from the Gaza Strip, West Bank and elsewhere with funding, arms, ammo and military equipment provided by Saudi Arabian money, Iran, Syria and others, including U.S.-based sources. Your beloved Barack Hussein Obama gave SecState Clinton $20.3M to resettle Islamic jihadists from the Gaza Strip and committed $900M through Egypt to rebuild the Gaza Strip after the Dec. 08-Jan 09 war of defense by the IDF against Hamas and other terrorists. Some rocketing has continued. Jihadists are now trying new methods of attacking Israel from the Gaza Strip. Most of the resettlers are likely to come here since no one else will have them much like most of the remaining 200 or so Gitmo POWs. IDF Pvt. Galid Shalit taken prisoner remains in the Gaza Strip held by Hamas who captured him during an aggressive incursion into Israel. Likewise Hezbollah in Lebanon attacked an Israeli outpost on the border with Lebanon, killed Israeli soldiers, captured some and started firing immediately longer-range Katyusha rockets indiscriminately into Israel for 30+ days. The Katyusha are the old Stalin Organ rockets of WWII fame and were provided to Hezbollah by Russia with money again from Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria. All told by now about 14K rockets have been fired into Israel from the Gaza Strip and Lebanon since 2005 murdering indiscriminately people of all ages, religions and ethnic groups in Israel including Muslims, Arabs and Palestinians and destroying their property. The IDF soldiers taken by Hezbollah were returned to Israel in 2007-08 in return for 100s of inmates from Israeli jails including many of the most despicable Islamic jihad terrorists. The bodies of the soldiers had been desecrated beyond recognition. (cont.)


Lit'l Herman, Suspected German in IL - 6
“Their despicable deeds carried out with American taxpayer dollars” – “Despicable deeds!” Indeed, Herm the Germ you are despicable. You can dump your feces and vomit here in a gush of propaganda lies, and it takes awhile to counter your filth with truth, facts, real history and current events. Good bye forever you swinish dog. Another thing you need to do here not a rocket scientist Little Hermie is compare apples to apples – total foreign aid to Muslims vs. the paltry amount to Israel.
None of you will tolerate here what the Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians have done to Israel ever and neither will the Israelis. Just as they took out by bombing the nuke processing plants in Iraq (1981) bought from France and Syria (2007), sourced from NK, Russia and France, they will take out the nuke processing plants in Iran, sourced by the usual culprits and a few new ones for profit, if they must and fight to the death of every man, woman and child the despicable Muslims and you too if it comes to it. They have no other choice but to die as martyrs and they had enough of that in their long and honorable history as God’s chosen people.

It just occurred to me Herman the German? Tell us it ain’t true you vile creature.

Joel De
I appreciate your comments here and look forward to your blog!

Thank you for your service to our country.

Lilly the school marm
It was a typo. I dunt hav spelll chak. buta im smatr. if amm. nsot as smarnt sas you though,. are yoru marrreid?

ronald in fla
I think you are wrong about lil hermie.

I have suggested he is more likely herman x a follower of that voice of tolerance louie farrakhan, or as flap ears the pretender has referred to him, minister farrakhan.

Since the pretender in the white house has been a suppoorter of farrakhan who has been both a role model and mentor to flap ears, I would offer the suggestion that herman x is merely aping the messiah in voicing the wiosdom they both learned sitting at the feet of the leader of the nation of islam

And by strange co-incidence happens to be headquartered in the district flap ears represented while in the illinois senate.

In fact flap ears had to get farrakhan's blessing before he could run for the illinois senate.

But israel can rest assured that even though flap ears the pretender shows reverence to both farrakhan and the muzzie haters in the m/e he will never betray them and will guarantee israel's safety despite muzzie promises to kill every israeli

To Ronald
Your rants are almost scary.

But it was worth it. You promised to never respond to me again.

But I do find it amusing and/or sad that Israel is (in your world) always right and its' adversaries are always wrong.

That should be a glaring red flag to you that you aren't getting the whole story.

Sophie
Not EVERY single conservative woman I've ever met, including God-fearing conservative women, has necessarily WANTED a husband. I've met a few who were so fixated on their career or had other reasons such that they seemed to have little interest in having a husband. And my attitude is, if that's the way they felt, then they were probably better off not marrying - and making both themselves AND whatever man they married miserable.

How do you know that Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham don't fall into that category? Do we know if they actually WANT to be married or have even been LOOKING for a man? And I refuse to believe that either woman COULDN'T get a man; I'm sure YOU believe that, but I don't. But maybe they're looking for a particular type of someone who just hasn't come along yet - and until that someone does, they're not going to marry just ANYBODY just to have a husband. I'd hope, in fact, that Coulter and Ingraham DO have MUCH higher standards for what they want in a man than your typical liberal woman has.

The big difference between them and liberal women in such a situation is that I don't hear either Coulter or Ingraham putting down women who made different choices than they have up until now - and became wives and mothers and even full-time stay-at-home moms. Coulter and Ingraham may not be either wives or mothers - but they don't bash other women that are.

Besides, since you undoubtedly regard both women as bee-yatches, you ought to be HAPPY that neither woman has yet been married.

Pancho Punchbag in UT
I promised myself not to do this again, but you offer such an inviting and doltish target in your arrogance and ignorance, ignorance of your arrogance.

2 ?? for you child -

Are you suggesting you had a damn thing to do with my rights to anything in this country or the world? If so please give details of your service to me and to our great nation.

Have you bothered yet to read my blog, esp. the brief bio there of my qualifications? I dooon't tink so. If you had you would have known to shut up when I dismissed you, or you are just so hopelessly dumb you cannot stand not to read your own posts here and show the whole world that can access this site how stupid and childish you really are.

Herman the Gherman
Not once have you responded like a grown man to any of the truths, facts, real history and current events I have buried your wittle Nazi butt under. Nor have you shown any shred of qualifications yet.
The only conclusion a reasonable person can reach is that you are an ignorant going to stupid, lying first to yourself coward.
There I broke my promise to myself again to respond to your bullShiite. It won't happen again pal I assure you for real this time.

Sieg Heil Allahu akubar Shalom putz

Sophie writes:
"The fact that fellow americans watch Glenn Beck makes me want to cry in shame for them."

then:

"actually it's too bad coulter and ingraham aren't married. maybe a good lay would improve their dispositions."
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Thus demonstrating the lie that Sophie is capable of "shame".

Makes one wonder how many times during Sophie's "dating" years she fell for the "I promise I'll call you tomorrow" ploy.

Sweet little mensa member Andy
Andy - you're hysterical. You need to go on the road.

ILL Lil in IL
I can’t help you honey. As they say on the big boy and girl tests, not enough information. For all I know your wittle bubba is a Peronista or worse. I don’t know when he lived there, in what capacity or with whom. Likewise for Lebanon and by even asking that question you reveal your ignorance about the demographics of Lebanon and the diversities of people who live there in religion, politics and other proclivities not to mention the history or current events in the Levant. For all I know he is Hezbollah, but he could be lots of other things too.
The best advice I can give you, Sophie the Dophie Clown, Herman the Gherman, Presumptuous Pancho and others as crippled as all of you are is stay the hellouttta my way and that of others better than you while we protect you from the dangers you are to yourself and others like Britney Spears.
I do know Obama though, and he is likely to be the death of all of you. As for me and my house we have a plan that does not include the U.S. of A’s like you Obama voters still supporting him. (cont.)

Ronald - the "Professional Counselor"
Did you really say you "don't do ad hominum
attacks"?

And did you really say you were an "educated,
trained, practised, professional counselor who
makes observations and reports them" and "gives you and others feedback on them"?

Surely, goodness amd mercy, you jest.

ILL Lil in IL-2
Hmmnh, I wonder if in all her wit and wisdom that Pancho thang knows how Pancho Barnes, her namesake made her living.
Now don’t none of you read my posts and take them seriously. They’ll scare the hellouta you if you do. And again as for me and my house we aint’ skeered and we ain’t dumb as y’all neither.
Y’all be careful now ya heah, and remember Obama is protecting you now just like his unwed, teen momma did herself when she was impregnated by some unknown black man and let that boy be borned somers only a few living know for sure where. He sure is lucky he wasn’t around then to abort himself or put himself out as a failed abortion to die without medical care, not even pain medicine.
Finally don’t you forget hunny bunny it was Obama his own self who said he was raised in Indonesia in his “formative years” and learned all that good stuff about Islam from his Indonesian Muslim stepdaddy.
Lil, seriously, if you have anything else stupid to say please don’t say it to me. And don’t be a Biden or Obama; engage your brain before you open your mouth and insert both of your feet. Thank you. Bye now and good luck. You need it.

Sophie

As Goose said to Maverick in "Top Gun":

"You live your life between your legs..."

Most men like a little mystery in their life partners, Sophie.

Perhaps you'll learn this with your next husband.

Our best interests lie with Israel
Israel is only one of the many infidel nations in the world today. Our best interests lie with Israel and every other nation opposed to Islam. According to the Koran, we all live in the House of War. That means any Islamite can kill us and it is not murder in their eyes.

Whatever happens to Israel, will in due time happen to all infidels.

Todays News & Islam
Thailand: A mosque was shot up killing about a dozen people & wounding a dozen. Odds favor other Moslems were responsible for the shooting in an attempt to bring about another round of violence in the 3 southern provinces. The goal is an Islamic republic. 3700 people have been killed in their revolt against the govt the past 5 years. If you are not Islamic, you don't get close to a mosque.

Australia: Govt officials urge Indian students to remain calm after attacks by Lebanese Moslems. Lebanon & India? It's not like they have a history of ill-will & bad feelings. They were never next door neighbors. Are the imams inciting violence here as well?

Primus54
You said of Sophie, "Makes one wonder how many times during Sophie's "dating" years she fell for the "I promise I'll call you tomorrow" ploy".

What makes you so sure that her "'dating' years" aren't continuing right on up to the present?

Right after Bill Clinton's acquittal in his impeachment trial, a couple of liberals in my office were joking, "So, is Bill dating again now?" Which kind of goes to show what the value of commitment is to liberals - as if we needed any more reminders. Why should we assume Sophie is any exception to this rule?

Now that he's returned to TownHall, if Mod Mark sees Sophie's comment that "There was this one boyfriend who liked to...", he'll probably go crazy wanting to hear all about it.

Israel is a modern democratic nation.
Islam is vile.

How many died when the Pope quoted a few words from an 800 year old speech?

How many died when a teacher named the classroom teddy bear Mohammad?

How many died when a few cartoons were published?



Should their be a war with Israel, I will put my money on Israel. They know how to fight. When the war is over, I would guess the Jews will rebuild Mecca & Medina and have 2 more resort cities.

See what I mean about Sophie?
Her response:
"Is that movie like porn for you rightie males?"
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Once again, her immediate reaction is a reference to sex.

Wow, Sophie. If what you say is true about being married to a passionate Latin, you sure seem preoccupied in the sex department.

Perhaps it is true what they say, "An empty barrel makes the most noise when struck".

Ronald - The "Educated" Counselor
So "Sophie the Dophie clown, Herman the Gherman,
Presumptuous Pancho" and "others as crippled"
should "stay the hell outtta my way"

OR WHAT??

You reek of ugly, an insecure, filthy little
puke with a peanut pr*ck. Your insides must be
roiling with black hatred, your organs decaying
with the stench of maggots in your hatred of
human beings who might have the NERVE to challenge you.

You're not a counselor - you're self-hatred is
far too obvious - no one would hire you.

No, you're not a counselor, you're an idiot, a
clown, a loser whose back people laugh behind.

And you DARE to talk down to Herman, Sophie and
Pancho! They tried to reason with you but how do
you reason with a fool, an uneducated stupid fool.

They showed you patience and you showed them a
grotesque attempt at humour and spit on their
persons.

Shame on you Ronald - you need to apoligize.

Next time I'm going to get rough with you.

Standshisground

Sophie sounds like the perfect candidate for indulging in what is referred to as "the lifestyle" - according to a program I once saw on the "E" channel.

But, hey! Her type is always wildly popular at bachelor parties!

"TFT Girl", aka, Sophie

Perfect nickname for our Sophie, "Tit-for-Tat Girl".

We can always count on her for moral equivalence - a hallmark trait of liberalism.

You go, Sophie! Be "ordinary"!

lilly in minn
seems I misjudged you.

You may not be a marxist but you are truly a nasty piece of work.

Funny how you lewfties always assume you know more and are better people than those of us on the right

Buit it sounds like you are the unhappy harridan who is taking out her unhappiness on others.

If you are single as you claim there is a simple explanation, who could stand living with you other than another bitter person like you who could share their unhappiness

But it seems you have located a kindred spirit in sophie the tranny. Odd how you losers always attract each other

sophie the tranny
why the denial, be proud of what you are.

And for your information you are amongst the most hateful of the trolls who show up here.

You sound indignant over trivial issues but are extremely small minded.

And posting your never ending stupidity and boring us with details about your pathetic life is proof positive you are a total loser.

No one gives a rats rear end concerning what you are your illegal puruvian pervert do but that doesn't stop you from sharing your useless life


Sophie

You didn't see me write anything about Wee Willie's BJ.

Getting confused?


BTW, I happen to like military aviation, thus my sole interest in "Top Gun" (okay, I admit I had a "little" crush on Kelly McGillis back then!).

Nope - I'd say it's probably your liberal metrosexual & homosexual male friends who have a man-crush on Maverick.

I'll bet they REALLY liked the volleyball contest!

The Cairo Speech
Was really very good, and people in Israel seemed to agree with it. Don't let ol' Prager tell you it was sad. One can read it here...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/NewBeginning/

As our intelligence community agrees, it was really very good.

cactushead
You're wrong, you must be about the most hateful troll at T.H. You could reform though, it is easy. Name calling makes you look juvenile, and takes away any good point you might accidentally make some day.

you want sadness, dennis
read the comments. find five out of one eighty five that aren't troll on troll or merely troll against the world.

sophie the tranny
since I have absolutely no respect for a fool like you keep you phony prayers to yourself.

Since you have numerous times ridiculed those who find comfort in religion it would make you a sanctimonious hypocrite.

The simple truth is I enjoy making fun of fools like you, not that that requires much effort.

People like you don't scare me or any any others on the right. That you hate america and fully support flap ears and his efforts to bring about marxism only earns you my disgust

The saddest part of all was when
Obama said this: "I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear." Since when is the President of the United States supposed to be the defender of Islam!!!?? This is INSANE!

the original cactus head
Please see Reply #138 as to my bitter marital status.

Cactus, I think I've misjudged you, too.

Calling the rather amiable Sophie the "most
hateful of trolls" is ridiculous.

Calling her "small-minded" with "never ending
stupidity", her "pathetic life", her "useless
life", a "total loser".

Are you proud of these comments? Surely you can
find someone more appropriate (like a "nasty
piece of work") to direct them to.

taft the retarded
so the admitted communist and lover of the nazi collaborator soros shows up to again post idiocy.

Funny how you lefties always make excuses fro flap ears and his efforts to destroy america.

But then again why the surprise, You likewise hate america because their are no open borders.

You chastise your fellow californians because they don't want to pay more taxes to reward the parasites you love.

But you also admit you are that stupid you are incapable of earning much of an income so you pay very little in taxes.

Strange how you leftists always believe earners should pay more just to maintain the entitlement plantation the dims keep the poor trapped on

That I am disgusted with losers like you obviously bothers you. And like all lefties you can't stand the idea others find your ideas based in total ignorance of reality.

But like all the morons from the left, you refuse to address the issue of flap ears and his massive deficits, the problem of flap ears having the printing presses at the treasury run 24/7 or the massive pork spending passed by the dims this year.

You cried tears of grief when bush had a $200 billion deficit but remain silent when flap ears runs up a deficit that economists claims will range between $1.5 trillion and $2.5 trillion.

And then you cheer on the clueless clown in the white house every time he blames america and praises dictators that imprison and murder their own citizens.

That his speech is cairo had many lies concerning the muzzies doesn't faze you in the least. In your world there is no such thing as muzzies killing innmocents

Our Neville Chamberlain, And

There will not be peace in our time.

When Chamberlain returned to London (and delivered his "peace in our time speech) after meeting with Hitler, he was the most celebrated man on the planet. He had an approval rating over 90% at home. FDR was awed by him, as were other leaders around the world.

Back home in Germany, Hitler laughed at the paper tiger and called him a cockroach.


All of the Islamofascists consider Obama to be a paper tiger and a cockroach.

They will strive to destroy Israel and The West by swords and fireballs (read: nuclear weapons). Obama will appease them, his Muslim brothers.

original cactus head
Just who does Sophie "pray to", anyway? Quezlcoatl? Gee, how grateful we should be to her for THAT!

I personally don't consider Sophie among the most HATEFUL of libs that come onto TownHall, merely one of the most, if not THE most, VULGAR.

But that's liberals for you these days. Not only are they not ashamed of their deficiency of character, they're downright PROUD ot it.

Let's hope such people as Sophie and Taft stay in California rather than heading east to YOUR neck of the woods, Arizona (or even to mine, Missouri). Although given that Sophie's currently $200K in the red on the value of her house vs. her remaining mortgage (she admitted this the other day), Arizona just might start looking better to her (and Taft) - especially when California goes bust soon. Since I also used to live in Arizona (graduated from high school and college there) and absolutely love the state, the thought of some of these California libs possibly infesting Arizona as they infested Oregon, Washington, and even Utah (sheepdog1 can tell you all about that) distresses me almost as much as it would you.


standshisground
I have no problem of standing up for the america I grew up in.

But it seems the trolls won't be content until flap ears installs marxism with himself as dictator for life.

But what the trolls fail to understand is that their messiah is merely a puppet and others pull his strings and posts the talking points he reads off his teleprompter.

But even worse, these massive deficits and running the printing presses don't just effect the evil rich and the heartless repubs.

I just don't thin future generations should be stuck with paying off deficits run up by flap ears and the dims in congress.

But despite warnings from the chicons and the russians that flap ears spending is a danger to the world he shows no sign of slowing down.

And today he further insults the intelligence of the american people by saying he wants to install pay as you go over the next 8 years.

And still the trolls cheer him on and the dims in congress march in goosestep with the wannabee dictator sitting in the oval office.

But ask any troll why flap ears had to appoint 23 czars with a great amount of power that never appeared before the senate for confirmation hearings and it shows he acts like a dictator and not an elected president

Hezbollah smuggles drugs/people into US
March 27, 2009
Hezbollah is using the same southern narcotics routes that Mexican drug kingpins do to smuggle drugs and people into the United States, reaping money to finance its operations and threatening U.S. national security, current and former U.S. law enforcement, defense and counterterrorism officials say.

The Iran-backed Lebanese group has long been involved in narcotics and human trafficking in South America's tri-border region of Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil. Increasingly, however, it is relying on Mexican narcotics syndicates that control access to transit routes into the U.S.

Hezbollah relies on "the same criminal weapons smugglers, document traffickers and transportation experts as the drug cartels," said Michael Braun, who just retired as assistant administrator and chief of operations at the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/27/hezbollah-u ses-mexican-drug-routes-into-us/

Hey Sophie
What's wrong? Your burka too tight? Gee whiz...if there's one thing I like less than a Mohammadan, it's a Mohammadan sympathizer.

Thankfully,

Obama's "Bond" with America isn't "Unbreakable" :-)

original cactus head
These idiot trolls are too learning-deficient in history to realize that if they got their wish of a Marxist America with Obama as dictator, a lot of THEM would wind up in the gulags or lined up against a wall just as surely as a lot of the conservatives that they foolishly think such a regime would limit its violence to.

You're right that these useful idiots only think in terms of the "evil rich and the heartless repubs" as the only ones

That's why folks like you and I and the rest of the conservatives who come to this site have to fight the fight against the dark forces threatening to engulf our nation. Those in this country who support leftist authoritarianism will be content to be sheeple - just like they were in Russia and China - and will wind up being sheared, just like in Russia and China. So if WE also do not want to be sheared along with them - well, man the ramparts!

Denis the Provocateur
"there will not be peace in our time"

Denis, you need to open shop as a clairvoyant -
your sort of talent is rarely seen. And as soon as possible.

"they will strive to destroy Israel and the West
by swords and fireballs"

O.K. Denis, let's get real.

The U.S. and Israel are the most powerful
militaries in the world. They can destroy any
country, at any time and without justification.
Swords just won't do.

So get a grip, Denis.

"The Islamofascists consider (President) Obama
to be a paper tiger and cockroach"

How do you know this? Has someone whispered in
your ear? Do the Islamofascists consider you a
confidant and have they told you personally how
they view the President?

If not, where is your proof? If you have no proof, stop lying and STFU.

Lilly The Flaming Idiot - I
"there will not be peace in our time"

""Denis, you need to open shop as a clairvoyant - your sort of talent is rarely seen. And as soon as possible.""

Lilly, why don't you go to visit the homes of the Army of Islam where they are mourning the deaths of the terrorists that, without provocation, attacked Israeli troops and aimed high-tech weapons at Israeli homes, YESTERDAY? Or, go to Peshawar where the Taliban used a car bomb to murder 11 and injure 70, TODAY. Or, go visit Mogadishu where 100,000 have been terrorized, raped, tortured and murdered by Islamic insurgents, TODAY. Or, the Bonga oilfields in Nigeria, which were attacked again, TODAY.

"they will strive to destroy Israel and the West by swords and fireballs"

""The U.S. and Israel are the most powerful militaries in the world. They can destroy any country, at any time and without justification. Swords just won't do.""

The use of the word "swords" comes from a threat made to Jews by the Grand Mufti (over 100 years ago), who killed Jews in the ME before the State Of Israel existed, who was a special guest of Hitler, the best friend of Eichmann, and participated in The Final Solution before he was tried at Nuremberg.

It only takes one enemy once to murder millions.


Lilly, The Flaming Idiot - II
"The Islamofacists consider (President) Obama to be a paper tiger and cockroach"

""How do you know this? Has someone whispered in your ear? Do the Islamofacists consider you a confidant and have they told you personally how
they view the President?""

I know that they have not changed their views because of flowery words spoken in Cairo. Only a fool would believe that the ObamaGod can speak words and end terrorism. Have the waters lowered, the Earth healed, and the world won the Miss World contest because of the "world peace" answer?

""If not, where is your proof? If you have no proof, stop lying and STFU. ""

Stop being obtuse and foolish, or STFU.

A very telling question 2

That may be to his credit here, but it was Obama’s Cairo speech itself that provided Brokaw with the nerve to test this manifestation of an American president as something alien to all he has ever witnessed in an American president; the same way you would view the latest zoo specimen in the exotic animal exhibit. Not because of his “historic” blackness, but because of his historic naiveté and singular bent towards openly displaying his overblown empathy for the Islamic cause.

Brokaw was testing Barack Hussein Obama to see just how far he would go. But at the same time he revealed something even more important about how the elitist liberal media perceives Obama as being a president who so clearly aligned more with Islam and Muslim causes that he might be willing to use any opportunity—even a visit to a holocaust memorial on D-day—to take up their cause against Israel.

A very telling question—not because of the answer—but because it was even asked.

It's sad that some people think
that OBAMA is God. Evan Thomas.

A very telling question 1

I think Dennis Prager makes some good points here and on that basis I will give Obama credit where credit is due (although I still think he did a whole lot more damage than good).

But speaking of "soft bigotry," I think Tom Brokaw's question to Obama showed the type of "bigotry" that is both classic and ingrained (although mostly missed by minorities) in the liberal establishment and especially its media mouthpieces like Brokaw.

Glomming on to the perception (largely emboldened by Obama’s seeming defense of all that is Islam), Brokaw exhibited a condescending disrespect for Obama himself when he attempted to use Obama’s apparent Muslim-love to steer His Husseiness into taking yet another shot at Israel.

"What can the Israelis learn from your visit to Buchenwald and what should they be thinking about their treatment of Palestinians?"

Prager characterizes it thusly:
To his credit, President Obama immediately responded: "Well, look, there's no equivalency here."

Stand his ground
Isn't Sophie just Mario.

So Denis, I guess there's no proof.
Denis - (Flaming idiot?? You can do better than that Denny, can't you?) I think you need to get
over the Hitler, Eichmann, and "final solution" thing - it's getting a little long in the tooth.

Let's deal with the present. Since the U.S. and
Israel are the most powerful militaries in the
world, how do we prevent them from destroying
small countries just because they have an itch in their scrotum.

Israel's itch is Iran. President Obama has
soothed the U.S. itch for war, temporarily.
We're lucky (so far.)

"Have the waters lowered, the Earth healed,
and the world won the Miss World contest (???)
(O.K. Denis, here you're way too obscure for me.)

Obtuse and foolish? I don't think so, Denis.

Where's your proof that the Islamofascists have
not changed their views? Is it your miraculous
clairvoyance surfacing again?

Denis, you can make money on this!



YOU GUYS
Leave sophie alone,Dr Douglas was her
teacher in college..

America's March to Socialism.
This President is worse than Herbert Hoover!

In our obligatory 'imagine if George W. Bush did this' segment, Glenn looks at the absolutely ridiculous claims by President Obama that the stimulus has 'saved or created' 150,000 jobs. Actually, since the stimulus has passed, 1.6 million jobs have been lost. Maybe President Obama needs a calculator because 1.6 million jobs lost minus 150,000 jobs created or saved equals 1.45 million jobs lost.

Remember when Bush was called the 'worst president since Herbert Hoover?' Glenn compares Bush and Obama job loss numbers along with the media reaction to both and gets another example of media bias in action.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/26443 /

LILLY
Israel is the apple of God's eye,if you read the book of revelation,you will see who comes out winner.And you may see where you are headed too.Rev20:15 KJV

Lilly

Read newspapers, articles, websites and journals from all over the world.

I gave you specific terror attacks that occured yesterday and today. I can also add the two audiotapes from AQ (before and during Obama's speech) and the actions/statements of the nutter with nukes on the Korean Peninsula (for the last 2 weeks, including his "merciless offensive" claim relative to use of nuclear weapons).

You can continue to accuse me of lying or you can open your own eyes and LEARN.

stan
so what did the good doctor teach. I have accused him of being little more than a voodoo doctor. Perhaps he shows proper pin insertion

DENNIS
I wouldn't waste my time trying to teach lil anything.It's like talking to a drunk.

CACTUS
What I want to know;where is Hal Donahue?

STAN
Passed out on the flow at O'Bryan's Pub.

STAN

Location: KS
Reply # 1
Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 10:54 PM EST CACTUS
What I want to know;where is Hal Donahue?
__________________________________________

I think at about this time of evening he starts calling himself Ranger29

Keep it coming
How could there be a greater fuel to ignite the fire of patriots than the constant drivel we read from the pens of Sophie and Lilly? and their comrades.

You render an incalculable service to us, ladies. And for that I am grateful.

Fire in the belly is a necessary component to combat and defeat those among us who have forsaken our Founding and gone awhoring with other spirits -- the spirits of totalitarianism, fascism, socialism, communism -- all who detest and despise a nation founded upon a moral order wherein our rights are unalienable and given by a creator.

So I say thanks again for giving life and words to what we patriots are up against. You do a greater service here than you can imagine.




trolls still have ITCH
in their SCROTA. These two use feminine names, so assigning a scrotum to one, scrota to both, seems a little off.

On top of that, a troll is a neuter, isn't it? No nuts, (other than fitting the figurative definition) no sac, no nothin.' It (they)always seems hungry though, and it always gets fed.

Orgnl Cactus Head in AZ
Thank you for your feedback. Your theory about Lil Herm is as good as anyone’s. Those who read, hear and see with comprehension and reason intelligently must wonder about the Herms, Lils, Sophies and Panchos.
They are a bit mysterious due to their lack of any evidence of qualifications on any subject and their behaviors. They are magical in their gross ignorance and emoting rather than thinking.
A question I ask often is why do they bother coming here or anywhere else exposing themselves for the whole world to see how mentally ill they are. My best notion is that they crave attention they were denied from birth. They remind me of perverted flashers showing their privates in public.
They are anonymous in these settings. They fail to realize, however, how poorly they reflect on themselves representing a group of people of like behaviors and disabilities, their families, friends, communities, states and the nation.
As they make themselves so obvious it is no wonder people of the world look askance at U.S. residents and ridicule us until they get to know us one-on-one. Obama has not helped with that as he has screwed up daily and blundered around the world with Michelle, recently hauling the girls along on sightseeing tours paid for dearly by us. Their delusionl living in denial is fascinating.
They seldom address issues or deal with facts but engage in childish name-calling – “ad hominum” attack one of them misspelled it - denying the qualifications of others and calling everyone but themselves liars. Another of their interesting traits is their forming little gangs, e.g. the Jena 6.
As dangerous as they are to themselves and others like Britney Spears and best treated like her but not released too early they do provide a good bit of entertainment with their silly antics.

Obama's Visits to Egypt and Germany.


What would have been courageous and important would have been for the President to say "There is no such thing as 'the Palestinian people.' They are Arabs. The so-called 'Palestinian refugees' are the descendants of the Arabs who either left Israel in 1948, thinking that Israel would be defeated in a week and they could come back and loot Jewish property, or were expelled after 7 Arab states attacked Israel. The time has come for the Arab states in general, and Jordan in particular, to cut the re-bop, as Stanley Kowalski would say, and take in their fellow Arabs, the 'Palestinian refugees.'"

When Tom Brokaw asked his ridiculous and vicious question, what the President SHOULD have said was "I notice you don't say 'What can the English learn from your visit to Buchenwald and what should they be thinking about their treatment of the Irish?' Are you implying some similarity between Nazi treatment of the Jews and Israeli treatment of the Palestinians? That comparison is obscene and no decent human being would make it. Hitler's, may his name be erased, raison d'etre was exterminating the Jews. The Jews in Israel,
constantly threatened with extermination, fighting an enemy even more ruthless and evil than the Nazis, have made more concessions for peace than any country on the planet, get themselves killed trying not to kill Arab civilians who are being used as human shields, and stand ready to make the possibly suicidal concession of giving the so-called 'Palestinians' a SECOND autonomous homeland. Israel provided, and continues to provide, water and electricity for Gaza, while Gaza provides rockets for Israel."

Miranda
"Are you implying some similarity between Nazi treatment of the Jews and Israeli treatment of the Palestinians? "

There are some similarities but the Nazis were far worse. Similarities like racism, and making Palestinians second class citizens and herding them into ghettos, like Gaza, and bombing them. Please support Obama in trying to get Israel to stop these things and to stop attacking the West Bank.

Taft
It's very convenient to ignore the FACTS that Miranda spelled out. Read the REAL history about that region and stop listening to the MSM's propoganda.

An simplified summary
Because NOTHING 0bama speaks can be good enough to even touch with a bargepole!

Objectionable???
Prager mentioned "many objectionable aspects of the president's speech" but what were they? This column was all about bold statements Obama made to challenge beleifs that too many Muslems have. With the exception of "Islam's tradition of tolerance" (which I agree was weak), Prager agrees with every Obamba quote he used.

So what was objectionable?


Suggested links P1
(Miranda; 6 Arab states attacked. Iraq, Syria, Trans-Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and if you include Palestine it is 6.)

The first link has a story about the book in the sixth link, "The New Persecuted" by A. Socci . The second goes to a newsletter with this statement: “The Voice of the Martyrs does not necessarily endorse the sources or guarantee the absolute accuracy of all of the content contained on the websites linked on this page”. The third goes to a newsletter story from 2005 and this statement. “The site’s primary themes are politics, culture, religion and religious freedom issues, with a particular focus on what might be called Islamization (sic), but sometimes stories fall into the category of globalization, westernization, or other.” The fourth link goes to a newsletter without the names of the villages or the names of anybody involved. The fifth link is to a blog from 2007 that has no names of people being sentenced or a location/village name where they are from. The sixth link goes to a blog where there is a discussion about how reliable the numbers of deaths are and who would be considered a martyr. (in the book, "The New Persecuted" by A. Socci)

SAD is not the Word I Would Choose
Is it really true that BHO used his middle name in Egypt??? Wasn't it criticized as a sign of ill will, racism, and trouble-making to use his full name in our country????

P 2
The seventh is wikipedia. It is known for the many errors and mistakes it can contain due to the uncontrolled nature of it’s editing. It has this statement about how the numbers of martyrs, 70 million, is arrived at. “Modern statistics of total Christian martyrs are estimated to total around 70 Million[5]. Claims that the current average number of Christian martyrs per year are 176,000[6] appear to have been calculated by multiplying the current number of Christians worldwide (2,231,421,000[6]) by the average global murder rate of 7.6 homicides per 100,000 people, indicating that some studies count all Christians who have died prematurely as martyrs, regardless of the circumstances of their death.”
The statement given before these links (Here are the truth, facts, real history and current events, and these are only from the first page of Google results of about 41,400 for a search on christian martyrs+Indonesia) is not backed up by the links. I’ve read them and my take on them is that there is persecution. These articles/blogs don’t really give any scope to the problem. I know many Christian, business people that go to Malaysia. I have not heard of harassment from them but then again they don't live there.

Is he sincere?
Will all the Israeli flag waving in the world now replace the damage done by a nuclear Iran?

Or does he say these things to lull Israel's supporters to sleep while he sneaks in nuclear weapons by the back door?

Or maybe this sad state of affairs should inspire us to trust them more? I think not!

Dear Taft and Takeback
Dear Takeback: Thank you.
Dear Taft: What racism? I see Arabs every day and they're the same race I am.
The so-called "Palestinians" are not second class citizens of Israel, because they're not citizens of Israel.
Gaza is not a ghetto and if anybody was herded there, it was the Jews who were herded OUT.
The Israelis only bomb Gaza because the Gazans spent years shooting rockets at them.
The British and American air forces bombed German and Japanese cities during World War II, making far less effort to avoid killing civilians than the Israelis do. Do you see any similarity with the Nazis there? Do you see a similarity with the Nazis with the Arab states' treatment of the so-called "Palestinians?" Jordan kept the Palestinians (their fellow Arabs) rotting in refugee camps for 22 years, then drove them out in the Black September Massacre. Lebanon shelled Palestinian refugee camps, again, their fellow Arabs, in 2006. Israel is the only country that has offered the "Palestinians" a second homeland.
I happen to believe that the Palestinians are in grave danger of genocide FROM THEIR OWN GENUS!!!! You watch and see what happens if they ever get their second autonomous homeland.
If they ever succeed in wiping out Israel, G-d forbid, they will start on each other, Hamas against Fatah, Sunni against Shi'ite, who knows who against who knows who, and they will eat each other up like the Kilkenny cats!
If Obama wants the Israelis to sit down quietly and let themselves be murdered, I will not support him.



For the record,

For the record,
I want to sincerely apologize to Joel D’O L
for any of the comments which I made
that led to his reluctance to post.

Clearly, others misunderstood me, and
I can only hope that Joel did not misunderstand also.

Joel:
I miss your posts.
I am looking forward to more, not less.
Please forgive me.
Chord

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