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Tuesday, April 07, 2009
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
America Has a Naive President
by Dennis Prager
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“The basic bargain is sound: countries with nuclear weapons will move toward disarmament, countries without nuclear weapons will not acquire them.” -- President Barack Obama, Prague, April 6, 2009

As far as nuclear weapons are concerned, the President of the United States wants America to disarm: “Countries with nuclear weapons will move toward disarmament.”

It is hard to imagine a more destructive goal. A nuclear disarmed America would lead to massive and widespread killing, more genocide, and very possibly the nuclear holocaust worldwide nuclear disarmament is meant to prevent.

There is nothing moral, let alone realistic, about this goal.

Here is an analogy. Imagine that the mayor of a large American city announced that it was his goal to have all the citizens of his city disarm -- what could be more beautiful than a city with no weapons? This would, of course, ultimately include the police, but with properly signed agreements, vigorously enforced, and violators of the agreement punished, it would remain an ideal to pursue.

One has to assume that most people would regard this idea as, at the very least, useless. There would be no way to ensure that bad people would disarm; and if the police disarmed, only bad people would have weapons.

The analogy is virtually precise -- but only if you acknowledge that America is the world’s policeman. To idealists of the left, however, the notion of America as the world’s policeman is both arrogant and misguided. A strengthened “world community” -- as embodied by the United Nations – should be the world’s policeman.

To the rest of us, however, the idea of the United Nations as the world’s policeman is absurd and frightening. The United Nations has proven itself a moral wasteland that gives genocidal tyrannies honored positions on human rights commissions. The weaker the U.N. and the stronger America, the greater the chances of preventing or stopping mass atrocities.

On the assumption that the left and the right both seek a world without genocide and tyranny, it is, then, the answer to this question that divides them: Are genocide and tyranny more or less likely if America is the strongest country on earth, i.e., the country with the greatest and most weapons, nuclear and otherwise?

Moreover even if you answer in the negative and think that the world would experience less evil with a nuclear disarmed America, the goal of worldwide nuclear disarmament is foolish because it is unattainable. And unattainable goals are a waste of precious time and resources.

For one thing, it is inconceivable that every nation would agree to it. Why would India give up its nuclear weapons? There aren’t a dozen Hindus who believe that Pakistan would give up every one of its nuclear weapons. And the same presumably holds true for Muslims in Pakistan with regard to India disarming.

And what about Israel? Would that country destroy all its nuclear weapons? Of course not. And it would be foolish to do so. Israel is surrounded by countries that wish not merely to vanquish it, but to destroy it. It regards nuclear weapons as life assurance. And it regards the United Nations (with good reason) as its enemy, not its protector.

As for states like Iran and North Korea, they have already violated agreements regarding nuclear weapons. What would prompt them to do otherwise in a world where America got weaker? United Nations sanctions? And why would Russia and China even agree to them?

Finally, there would be no way to prevent rogue scientists from selling materials and know-how to terrorists.

The result of this left-wing fantasy of worldwide nuclear disarmament would simply be that those who illegally acquired or made but one nuclear weapon would be able to blackmail any nation.

What any president of the United States should aspire to is: 1). to keep America the strongest country in the world militarily (as well as economically, but that is not the question on the table); 2) to destroy those individuals and organizations that seek nuclear weapons so as to kill as many innocent people as possible; and 3) remain the world’s policeman. These aims cannot be achieved if America aims to disarm.

President Obama said “I am not naïve” in his talk. That, unfortunately, is as accurate as his statement before the joint session of Congress that “I do not believe in bigger government.”

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Obama the air head dreamer
Our president thinking that he alone is so good and so righteous that all the world will follow in his self delusional footsteps is truly somethiing that has to be seen to be believed.

He also has spouted his truly dumb belief that through better education Islamic terrorists can be convinced that blowing themselves and others up is something to be avoided. No amount of "education" is going to change the thinking of a zealot!!!

Goodness triumphs over evil not because of its higher moral plane but because of better weapons and better strategy.

Dennis
you are absolutely correct. BO is utterly clueless and a true novice. He is being rolled by the Russians, Chinese, and North Korea.


I don't know
if he's naive or clueless, I think he's got his agenda set which is to destroy this country from within. Whether he's a Manchurian Candidate or just a hatefilled racist getting even with the blue eyed whites in this country
(as a way to have revenge on his mother for abandoning him) who knows. He is one sick puppy either way.
And given the obsequious obeisance displayed
to the world when he met the Saudi King, I think we can safely say, his allegiance isn't to the United States or it's Judeo/Christian heritage. No American, and certainly NO American President, who represents every American citizen should never, ever show subservience to a foreign ruler. That was a show of submission. But then we don't know if he really is an American, do we?

Obama naive
Dennis
With respect and affection,
It is naive to think Obama is naive
He knows exactly what he is doing and saying.
Believing he is naive fails to hold him responsible for what he is wilfully doing

Obama naive
Dennis
with respect and affection, it is naive to believe that Obama is naive
He knows exactly what he is doing. Believing he naive frees him from full responsibility for his wilful actions

Michael
Ditto .... the wind bag Lord Obama is just plain evil. Ho- Hum, another politician who can bank on the baseness of the marks.

I'm glad
Obama wants to lower the nuclear arsenals of the world.

Naive?
I don't really think that Barack Obama is naive. I believe that he is a radical leftist who genuinely resents America being a super power. He resents American prosperity.

His speeches over seas make me sick to the stomoch. He is groveling. That incites jihadists, who interpret his sniveling about how arrogant America has been as weakness. Why in the world would this foolish man talk about slavery in America? Does he realize that slavery exists in the world today? It has been eliminated from America for a long, long time.

Leftists have long hated America. They live here and enjoy the benefits of being here. Benefitsthat were paid for with American blood and treasure. As far as I am concerned they are a greater threat to America and the world than Muslim jihadists.

Taft

Lower? Perhaps.

But that is NOT what he claims is his goal.

That this man-child is naive is probably one of the greatest understatements of the 2009 political landscape.

That he believes "educating" Islamic "moderates" (whatever the hell THEY are) will convince them to stand up to the extremists is pitifully naive in the extreme.

As an example, we conservatives have been trying to educate you liberals about the true failed history of liberalism/socialism for years... but you aren't listening either.

In not too much time - only a few people on the street will be bold enough to admit having voted for this empty suit.

Oh, there will still be the "Hal's" and "Rangers" and "Bleeding Heart Liberals"... and "Taft's" who'll never admit their error, but that is just ego and false pride talking.

I can see it now
President Obama wants so much to be loved by the world, disarming America would be the icing on the cake. This country is the balance the world needs to keep the nuts in check. Especially the nuts in Iran and North Korea. When President Obama speaks like this to foreign countries and their leaders he's proving something to them, not to this country. I don't remember elections being held in Europe for the Presidential elections in this country. President Obama needs to stop thinking he's President of the world. That's the only way it can be look at, based on how President Obama wants to take into account how other countries feels about him. President Obama needs to make up his mind. Is he an American or isn't he. Weakening this country just to prove he's nothing like Bush isn't the way to go.

Ah, the safety of pre-nuclear Earth!
Yes, all we need to do is abolish nukes, and the world will be a safer place.

The kind of safe place that saw the start of World War II, all of World War I, the Spanish American War, The U.S. Civil War, the Napoleonic Wars, the Hundred Years War, the Wars of the Roses, the Crusades, the Pelopenesian War.....

He came back with nothing
He wanted for the Europeans to spend more for stimulus to their economies- He got zilch. He wanted Help in Afghanistan he got a few trainers for 6 months. But the Europeans loved him! Why shouldn't they? They snookered him.
The North Koreans proved they will do what they want. Because Barack will go to the UN! North Koreans must be laughing themselves to sleep

He can't possibly be that stupid ....
more likely, he's pandering to his benighted base.

Fools Rush In...
I predict if Obama tries to disarm America he will sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. There's no way American citizens will stand for this kind of foolishness.

Remember that old warning on ancient world maps: "There be monsters here." There are monsters in the real world and probably always will be and the only way to keep them at bay is to keep our powder dry and that means a nuclear deterrent.

In fact America should be spending millions on continuing weapons research because we know other countries are doing that right now. I'm beginning to think Obama is more naive than Jimmy Carter.

Liberals tend to look at the real world with rose-colored glasses but their naivete can cause death and destruction for millions. A Harvard graduate he may be but Obama more and more is looking like a fool--a very dangerous fool!

Taft
I'm sure you've heard the term MAD. It stands for Mutually Assured Destruction. It's a crazy term, but in a crazy way, it works. So long as no one player considers a Nuclear exchange winnable, neither side is likely to use them. This, of course, only works if both players do not find virtue in taking the enemy with them for some supposed reward in heaven, ie; certain Muslims. Also, once the genie is out, there's no way to put it back in. It's an admirable idea, but not at all realistic.

Oh, yes, he's that stupid
because he is arrogant. And arrogant people are always stupid. I don't mean not "book smart" and I don't mean not clever. But without humility and a sense of history they fall into the same traps that have ensnared many before them.

I've spent much more time in the New Testament than the Old, but the further we go down this path, the more disturbing the parallels become between the U.S. and the ancient Israelites. Whenever they turn from God (and humility, and wisdom, and history, and knowledge) and worship graven images (themselves, essentially), they are overrun, defeated, and/or carried off and made slaves of.

If you believe that the Bible is the Word of God, then warnings abound there. But even if you do not - if you think it is just some interesting stories written down by people who lived a long time ago - then there are nevertheless lessons to be learned from history.

Wisdom, humility and strength protect a nation. Ignorance, arrogance and stupidity leave it exposed for every predator that comes along.

Obama is supremely arrogant and staggeringly ignorant of history and human nature. (As are the idiots who voted for him, I am sad to say - they were WARNED, but refused to listen.) His stupidity, therefore, is obvious.

As a nation, we are more exposed, and more weakened each day, as he signals our vulnerability, weakens our currency, and saddles us with unsustainable debt.

The New Superman
http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/philosophy/friedrich_nietzsc he_quotes.html

Obama is Friedrich Nietzsche's Superman. the super moral being created through politically correct humanist government regulation called, liberalism. This is how Nietzsche desribed the creation of the Superman, Barack Hussein Obama:

"What Nietzsche is concerned at in relating the above is that God is dead in the hearts of modern men - killed by rationalism and science. This same God however, before becoming dead in men's hearts and minds, had provided the foundation of a "Christian-moral" defining and uniting approach to life as a shared cultural set of beliefs that had defined a social and cutural outlook within which people had lived their lives...Nietzsche seems to be suggesting that the acceptance of the Death of God will also involve the ending of accepted standards of morality and of purpose. Without the former and accepted faith based standards society is threatened by a nihilistic situation where peoples lives are not particularly constrained by considerations of morality or particularly guided by any faith related sense of purpose...What are we now to do?...Given the "unbelievability" of the "God-hypothesis" Nietzsche himself seemed to favour the creation of a new set of values "faithful to the earth." This view perhaps being associable with the possibility of the "Overman" or "Superman."

Look out Clark Kent, Barack Hussein Obama says you're a greedy, selfish American has-been!

Obama pontificating on slavery
I found it quite hypocritical how Obama was doing the "Blame America" thing on our past history of slavery when Muslims have been in the business of slavery ever since they originated; and are still practicing slavery in places like the Sudan and Darfur. The Muslims have been in the slave-trading business since the 6th Century.

crossbows to cannons
I wonder who the president thinks he is fooling when he says we will rid the world of nuclear weapons. It can't be done, when a weapon is accomplished it will remain for ever even as was the lance , the crossbow, the rifle and the cannon, The only thing that will be done with a weapon is future improvement, never elimination. Even the H bomb was a natural progression from the initial fission bomb. They only increase the lethality never do the eliminate a weapon after it is conceived and accomplished.
Lawrence Neumann
Trumbull, CT

Taft

Is glad that Obombo wants to reduce the nuclear arsenals of the world. Taft is glad when he twiddles his thumbs or his kitty purrs.

In the history of the world only two nuclear bombs have been dropped on people and that happened in the same month in 1945. Since that time thousands of bombs have been created in various forms and mankind has resisted the temptation to use them. How many there are is of no import if no nation will use just one out of fear of retribution. Nuclear deterrence works! (Muslim jihadists excepted)

Our president is out to assure the world, our enemies included, that he will never order retribution. Can the world last through his term?

Obama says he's like Abraham Lincoln...
...but only better!

Larry22
I hope to God you are not one that believes him.
The muslim world and others..N Korea and to some degree Russia are getting the idea that regardless of what they do to America that the Messiah will not use the nuclear weapons in our arsenal. Just like the FEARED UN Sanction, Barry NObama believes he can talk his way out of a nuclear war with the zealots of the world.

Obamba's plan
is to give our nuclear missiles to Iran and North Korea.

Hope your right
Dennis I sure hope you are right the Obama is naive. That we can survive and correct in four years. The alternative, that he is acting with intent and full knowledge is too frightening to contemplate.

Keep your powder dry.

Mike Johnston
SFC USA(RET)

The question was...
Does America have a naive president? Good question, probably. I don't know the answer for certain, but I do know this. It was a naive electorate that put him there. (nod to TSTBAL)

Prager is stupid
If anything, nuclear weapons level the playing field for smaller countries with inferior militaries. If we eliminated all nuclear weapons, that would make the United States the strongest in the world by a much wider margin than today. It wouldn't even be close. As it stands, China and Russia can totally destroy the United States. That makes their militaries equivalent to ours.

If anything, other countries would oppose nuclear disarmament precisely because of this fact.

Prager is the naive one here.

Obama is making Republicans look dumber by the day. It's a joy to watch. I just hope all of the hatred and fear mongering on shows like Prager's and Hannity's won't lead one of you nut jobs to try to assassinate Obama. Violence seems to be the only way you people know how to resolve differences of opinion.

See the latest poll numbers?

Read 'em and weep freaks. You are becoming a sad and demented minority. And not a moment too soon.

Phylo out.


Illegal Election
We have an anti American in office. Let's face it, deal with it, and move on with a new leader whose intention is the betterment of our country. This clown obama is just that and should be sent overseas to help the helpless remain that way. We Americans will even pay his travel expenses. I have never been so disappointed in anything as I am the current state of our country. The "Dumbing Down of America" apparently worked.

Our Enemies are doing the Jig!!!
Liberals didn't pass go and collect $200, they passed go right to Stupid with the Election and Coronation of there new Leader of "Being Stupid is a Disability". Our Enemies are going to have a field day with this Moron as Commander, He's mister happy and will bend over for anybody that comes along because he wants everybody to like us"Will You Be Our Friend" It will be like dealing with a child. With a President that with his just as Stupid Democrats in Congress that will start the (AWNAA) The Americans With No Abilities Act which will provide benefits for those who suffer this obvious liberal condition. Based on Sweeping Legislation by the President and Congress they will roughly cover 50% of Americans who do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society, And with the Aid of Barbara Boxer Democrat/California who said we can no longer stand by and allow people of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi pointed to the good records of the Private sector for non-Discrimination to the Inept, included Retail Sales 72%, Airline Industry 68%, Home Improvement Warehouse Stores 65%, and we all know to well the Government record in this Area with the Department of Motor Vehicles 63%, and the Post Office with the highest percentage of INEPT at 74%. Said Dick Durbin (D-IL) AS A SENATOR WITH NO ABILITIES, believes the same privileges that Elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no Abilities. This is what cost us 9/11 was the "CLINTON INABILITY" DUH Terrorists HUH.

Too early to criticize
I didn't vote for Obama, but I'm not criticizing him on this one...not yet anyway.

I don't think Obama is so naive that he actually thinks all nukes can be elminated. Even if he was the prospects of achieving this in the US approach absolute zero. IMO Obama is doing two things with this speech:

-taking a softer line across the board (including a new round of START talks) iot get our allies, particularly the europeans, to be more ammenable to the use of force...down the road.
-by taking a "no nukes" stance, it provides Obama with the moral high ground and bolsters his moral authority when demanding Iran and N. Korea cease and desist.

If this is his approach, I'm OK with it. If it turns out he literally intends to pursue a "no nukes" world, then he's a fool.

Naive Prez-in-Chief
It has been abundantly clear and proven BHO is by definition Naive. He don't know jack about world politics. His belief is that all government leaders can be persuaded to follow a all-in-world view. Lets face it World leaders watch out for their own people and personal wants and needs. There isn't a world ark that has everyone the same. That's the way it is and will ever will be. No amount of "Carrot and Stick" approach will change this.

On top of being naive, their is a large hint of ignorance which shows in how he has a tunnel vision attitude of getting what he deems is necessary. It's really one sided to have some who touts a bi-partisan view when he can't enjoin the conservatives to his side, even though he pretends to.

Naive?
I do not think Obama is naive. He knows exactly what he is doing. In spite of Washington v. Heller, Obama is trying to disarm private citizens; ostensibly to protect Mexico. Now he desires to disarm our military of the nations most valuable deterrent weapons while nations who have sworn to pursue our nations destruction are developing their own nuclear weapons. You can rest assured that Iran and North Korea do not intend to use nukes as a "deterrent". They want them for offense and intimidation, and will use them at the first opportunity.

phylo
well if violence is all we know then your future is sealed aint it

another telling quote
And here is Obama addressing the Congress,

"A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought. The only value in our two nations possessing nuclear weapons is to make sure they will never be used. But then would it not be better to do away with them entirely?"

He just does not deal with reality. Oh wait that was Reagan addressing the Congress. But when Obama says it, it is outrageous.

Although unlike Reagan, Obama is simply stating the policy that the US is committed to under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. We ignore our obligations under the treaty and express our outrage that other countries do too.

But on Prager's column how is he so ignorant that he thinks that if we give up nuclear weapons we would cease to be the most powerful country in the world? Has he not seen what our military is capable of?

Has he failed to notice that our nuclear weapons are not useful in the least in preventing genocide like in Darfur or Rwanda.

I personally don't think we should get rid of nuclear weapons, although we could stand to reduce our stockpile, and we are much safer with the US and Russia both having smaller stockpiles than with the status quo. But that is partly because I think we overly fetishize nuclear weapons. A North Korea with nuclear weapons would still be a backward country that could not win a war against the South. Iran with nuclear weapons would still be a country that would acheive no serious aim by using it, but would cause its own destruction.

It is a mistake to overvalue the importance of nukes in either direction.

UncleB, Fl, 8:32am
Sorry if I wasn't very clear. I think Barack Hussein Obama is so full of himself it has been him drunk. His perception that he is morally superior to everyone would be laughable if it wasn't so scary. Obama makes the world a much more dangerous place by his foolishness.

To Obama Bush's willingness to use our military to defend America was backward and old world thinking. Obama believes throwing a thousand words at an enemy turns the foe into an ally ... through the magic of lip service. Radical Islam is raging jihad against us. Does Obama know this?!?! What’s Obama's noble solution? Kiss the jihadist's ring saying, "we have no reason to fight you!" Go figure!

World peace through weakness is exactly what N. Korea, Iran, Russia, China and the Islamic jihadist respect?!?! Destroy our nukes so countries like N. Korea, Iran, Russia and China will be the only countries with nukes! Diplomacy on bended knee, that's the Obama doctrine and his foreign policy. In a world filled with hungry wolves make ourselves into a sheep and invite the world to feast!

This was evident from the start Dennis
When Obama said that he wanted to rid the world of Nuclear Weapons (Before the election) and not Militarize Space, this was a Wake up call to most Rational thinking people. It was'nt all that long ago that China blew a Satellite out of space with one of their new Satellite killing Space Weapons. HELLO MR. MESSIAH remember that one. Obama is not only Naive, but seriously Dangerous, Obama truly is in a role that he is not capable of handling.


Taft&Phylo,Now I get it...
If I just stopped locing my doors, thieves wouldn't (COULDN'T!) break in!
That's it...that's the answer!
All we need is LOVE! WOW!
Now I remember...we won the 1776 Revolution peacefully! And ended slavery in the mis-named Civil "War" by a sudden, brilliant moment of enlightenment! WWI and WWII accomplished nothing, of course, because they were acts of pointless VIOLENCE!
Now I get it...thank, guys!

Something free to Taft&Phylo...
I have something for you and others desiring one, a sign reading (including front-yard stake):
THERE ARE NO GUNS IN THIS HOUSE!
Want one?
(Apologies for my misspelling of 'locking' in prior comment.)

Ad Lon. (Part 1)
Reagan said, "People of the Soviet Union, there is only one sane policy, for your country and mine, to preserve our civilization in this modern age: A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought. The only value in our two nations possessing nuclear weapons is to make sure they will never be used. But then would it not be better to do away with them entirely?

People of the Soviet, President Dwight Eisenhower, who fought by your side in World War II, said the essential struggle ``is not merely man against man or nation against nation. It is man against war.'' Americans are people of peace. If your government wants peace, there will be peace. We can come together in faith and friendship to build a safer and far better world for our children and our children's children. And the whole world will rejoice. That is my message to you."

This isn't quite equivocal with Obama asking Americans to surrender without expecting the same from other countries with nuclear weapons--i.e., China and Russia--or, those who wish to have them--i.e., N. Korea and Iran. Indeed, Reagan's is closer to a true respect of our duties under the non-proliferation treaty than is Obama's.

Not a chance.

Dennis, please accept my most sincere apologies... but your position doesn't hold water.

Simply put, not just would it be naive for us to believe in his naivete... it would be most dangerous.

What more and more people are beginning to notice and to observe, is that Obama, his chief of staff and many others... may indeed be the ultimate opportunists.

As in "a crisis should not be wasted".

Personally, I believe that they are more than aware that their efforts in "consolitating permanent government power" could blow us all up, but that they are willing to risk it all, including our safety and our welfare, for this grand prize... the leftist holy grail.

If there is any naivete in any of this... it is that so many Americans are still convinced that this man will somehow cause "the oceans to recede and the earth to heal".

God help us all.

Tea parties, April 15th... and beyond.



Phylo Se Fizer:

You no longer post as frequently as you once did here.

That's probably good, because you are just as mentally disordered by rampant liberalism as you always were.

Mark my words; the number of people who are willing to admit they voted for the man-child is dropping like a stone... and still accelerating.

You libs never learn a thing from history - because each succeeding generation of liberals thinks IT is the "smartest" generation to come.

Extreme narcissists - one and all.

Nuclear Disarmament
How do I break this to your new President, the Genie is out of the bottle, he cannot un-invent Nuclear weapons, and as for disarmament forget it.
We started off with four Nuclear Powers, USA, UK, USSR and France then came the non-proliferation treaty. Since then Israel, Pakistan, India and China have acquired them, and as if that wasn't bad enough now Iran and North Korea are trying to do so and these last two have an extremely unstable leadership.
It is a nice thought Mr President but it just ain't going to happen, and if the good guys get rid of them and the bad guys keep them it is game over!

Ad Lon. (Part 2)
Here is the link to the aforementioned Regan quote:

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1984/12584e. htm

Further, while I can agree that perhaps we do fetishize and fantasize about the power which nuclear capability brings, I must ask: what is your point? In the face of countries like Iran and N. Korea--who seem to have a far greater fetish than ours has ever been--what would you have the U.S. do? Further, when we're dealing with Russian and Chinese governments--which also have nuclear weapons--which are steeped in nationalistic foreign policies--which are further grounded in an almost transcendent sense of world-historical importance--what would you have the U.S. do?

AN OBSERVATION ON BEING NAIVE
From the day he was nominated I have been concerned about this country having a president with left leanings and so little experience. I still am, however I have come to realize that saying Obama is naive is more accurate than calling him a Marxism.

I have a son who is the same age of Obama. My son is also well educated, owns his own business and has traveled in about 18 countries, he voted for Obama and believes in what he is doing as President of the United States. He believes in reaching out globally to resolve economic problems and threats to our country. He and I have had many hours of conversation on the pros and cons of Obama, his administration, and the direction he is taking this country. After all of these conversations we still respectively do not agree.

Last week I also reached the determination that my son is naive. He has not yet experienced the threats and uncertainty that life can throw at a person or a country. He does not yet know what it is like to live on the precipice of anticipation of a nuclear war and your entire family could be gone in seconds, as his military father and I knew and feared in the 1960's.

Experience does count. Wisdom is only gained through experience, not just education. So far we are dealing with a president who is working on ideology and has some realities to face yet.


Beware !
If we are attacked, Obama will surrender.

He is a coward.

Taft&Phylo...gone now?
It would be interesting to have a dialogue with either or both of you. If you're still here rather than posting boilerplate lib slogans on other blogs, I'd like to engage you.
Or are you merely the internet equivalent of sign carriers in a protest party?
C'mon...

Obama's tone in his introduction...
...to the world as our leader hits all the wrong notes. World leaders have his number! They know he is a fool and can be easily had. They know he is a naive amateur with his head in the clouds and up his a&&. While Obama lectured world leaders about his moral superiority they shook their heads and laughed behind his back.

Obama wanted world leaders to like him, at our nation's expense, apologizing to them for us every chance he got. What other world leader continuously apologized for their country, which they represented?!?! America has shed blood and treasure for the world like no other country in world history has ever done before. And, Obama apologizes for us to radical Islamic jihadist.

In the end, Obama, on the world's stage, damaged his credibility, his leadership standing and his presidency in the eyes and the perceptions of the world's leaders, which, by his conduct, Obama showed that he was not one of them! Who didn't Obama bow down to? Oh yes, Obama didn't bow down to his employer, the American people!

Larry22 @9:28
Thanks for the comeback. And, IMHO you are entirely correct.
See liberals, we can be civil with one another.
But, Larry and those like us will stay on guard and not give away the farm like the messiah is trying to do so he will look good to the rest of the world

Don in Mo.
According to Mr Holder (Barry's Boy) Atty General, we are a nation of cowards.

Dennis, you are so naive!
Don't you know that our Lord and Savior is the smartest person on Earth? Obama is so smart, he discovered 8 once-unknown US states, and recenctly discovered that the Austrians actually speak a super-secret language known as "Austrian".

Obama is SO SMART that he thinks the appropriate response to North Korea launching missiles at Japan is unilateral disarmament. That way, when North Korea decides to wipe out a few US cities, we won't have the possibility of some insane nut doing something stupid like defending us against such an attack. After all, we're the immoral United States, and we all deserve to die! So sayeth the smartest man on Earth -- our Lord and Savior Barack Obama!

Clueless? Naive? Deliberate?
One thing is clear. America has made a horrible mistake in believing this man's drivel during the campaign. He told us what we wanted to hear. He presided over a string of old-time pep rallies. "Yes, we can!" Everyone shouted. The color of his skin was more an issue than the words from his mouth. Disagree with Barry? You're a racist! Just listen to the hip music he played at his rallies! Lost in the shuffle were small hints of his ultra-liberal views. Joe the Plumber tried to warn us, but he was vilified by the media mafia. Lost was any attention to his voting record (both votes that he made). Lost was the lack of any relevant experience for the job.

ACORN supplied the voting public with enough clueless and naive voters to tip the balance. But too many other people who should have known better either voted for him anyway or stayed home. Elections have consequences, and they are incredibly destructive this time. Those who repeatedly told us, "this is the most important election in America's history" were right this time. Watch and weep.

Thoughts on other posts
Larryn1 and Frank in OH, good posts. You are quite correct. Once a weapon, nuclear or otherwise, is invented, it can never be un-invented...only perfected. Only a fool could believe otherwise. And, to think that nations will divest themselves of their nuclear arsenals is completely delusional. But then, completely delusional goes hand in hand with being a liberal.

JohnR22...so you think Obama is leading by deception on the nuclear issue. Well, that WOULD be a very Muslim approach...but I don't buy it. I believe that Obama believes in a "level playing field" for all nations. Very dangerous!

ScottK...you are correct in your analysis: this cabal of Obama and his posse are the ultimate opportunists. As for We the People, we will have to go far beyond tea parties to reclaim our nation. Far-fetched as it may sound, I think a second civil war is entirely possible if the Supreme Court and our legislators do not remove Obama for his ineligibilty to hold the office he now occupies.

Good Article
The analogy of the city disarming itself was very powerful.

Phylo Se Fiser
Oh Phylo, I nearly pissed myself at your stupidity...just too funny.

As for B. Hussein Obambi, I was always giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was just naive, but if he's not naive then he's got to be either stupid (like you Phylo) or just plain evil.

Best case scenario for America is that he's naive, and that's still not very appealing.

Ronald Reagan: "It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant. It's just that so much of what they know isn't so."

Ronald Reagan: "It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant. It's just that so much of what they know isn't so."

'nough said.


not only naive
Obama is not only naive, he has no cojones. He is a Chamberlain-like appeaser, whose actions will come back to harm America in the future. The founding fathers knew there were tyrants and evil in the world, but they could hardly have prepared us for a "child" in the White House put there by hoodwinked, naive American voters.

What a nutcase, WSJ
"A world free of nuclear weapons is a worthy goal, shared by many Presidents, including Ronald Reagan." Wall Street Journal

If the conservative icon shared the goal, how does that make Obama naive? Has he given away he farm? Has he left America defenseless?

When we, the sane, complained of Bush's lies and actions, WMDs and Katrina for example, we were accused of suffering from BDS. You suffer from the infamous double standard.

Phylo Se Fiser
What is really ignorant is you using: "Phylo out," then asking a question (which you did) or expecting an answer.

"OUT" is a proword used in military communications -- and civilian communications too, to some extent.

It means: "My transmission is completed. No answer is required or desired (or expected.)


Phylo Se Fiser
{Welcome to elephantslayer.com.

Are you tired of seeing bogus Republican arguments win over the hearts and minds of too many of our fellow citizens? Well, this is the place where bogus Republican arguments come to die. I'll select a few of the bogus Republican arguments of the day, and the I'll break down why the arguments are bogus. I'm new at this whole blogging thing, so we'll see how it goes.

I also like to harass right wing columnists over at townhall.com under the pen name Phylo Se Fiser, which is a reference to the fact that I am an amateur philosopher. I'm currently working on a book that will correct the metaphysical problems underlying most of Western philosophy. I'll make some of that available as soon as I can figure out how to do that.

Looking forward to any comments. I love a good debate.

Matt Mullen

Posted by Matt Mullen at 2/4/2009 9:36 AM }

http://blog.elephantslayer.com/

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"I'm currently working on a book that will correct the metaphysical problems underlying most of Western philosophy."

Sounds like an earth-shaking event.
Could I please have a preview of your insight regards the problems of Western philosophy?

Jim Jones
As concerned as I am with His 'O'ness' ideas I am equally concerned about the unaware "followers". I fear we are living amongst a very large number of Jim Jones -like followers and will follow him to another Jonestown, taking us all with them. A case in point is demonstrated by the "wild" comments by those who disagree here with the majority of writers. Their words expose their ideology.

Odumbo's plan
In January 2009, The Obamessiah became President of the United States. HIS first action in office was to destroy all nuclear weapons; the second to eliminate all fossil fuel sources. Behold, nuclear weapons and fossil fuels no longer existed on Earth.
Behold, the planet was covered with solar-panel fields, and windmill forests, which don’t produce electricity when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow.

After ten years, there was only peace and harmony on the planet, because, for five years, the noises and vibrations from the windmills drove many people to suicide, and the solar panels killed most food plants. The 2014 Ice Age froze the people who hadn’t starved, because there wasn’t any heat for their homes, and destroyed the windmills and solar-panels. Everybody died except for The Obamessiah, Algore, and 12 other liberals living in the hydroponic garden in the bunker below Mount Rushmore.

One day, the Mount Palomar Observatory said that “The Asteroid”, an outer space rock the size of The Alps, was on a collision course with Earth, as a 2008 NOVA documentary warned.

One liberal got out the file on “The Asteroid” to find out what to do. The instructions were to launch six, 20-megaton nuclear missiles and land them on “The Asteroid”, and then detonate them one-by-one, three seconds apart. The phased explosions should divert “The Asteroid” from hitting Earth.

Then one liberal said, “We can’t do this! HE beholded the missiles and fuel out of existence! We don’t have missiles to launch and fuel to launch them.”

Then they said, “HE can behold “The Asteroid” not to hit the earth.”

After telling HIM about “The Asteroid”, the liberals realized that HE was actually the Twelfth Imam, THE ONE that, back in 2007, Muslim terrorists said would destroy the world in two years. Two years after 2007, was when The Obamessiah “beholded” the missiles and fuel out of existence.

Armed and Strong
Our nation needs to remain strong - and well armed - for our own protection. The idea that we are the world's "policeman" is contrived and undesireable. If we disarm ourselves, then you can be certain that we will be attacked by crazy nations like North Korea or Iran. Without the deterrant of strength, we would be (rightly) perceived and weak and therefore a ready target.

For many years....
...I've held the belief that liberals are merely adolescents with adult prerogatives. Thanks, obama, for being the prototype of this profile, and validating my belief.

For Bleeding Heart Liberal
The democrat party has a curious pattern and history of telling political lies to deceive the public.

Here are some examples of democrat lies.

democrats, like you, use the lie that "Bush lied to us about WMD's" when democrat statements reveal democrats led the charge into Iraq.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

If democrats allowed Bush to lie us into a war over WMD's was Bush lying about Iraqi WMD's in the 1990's ... during the Clinton years? And, if democrats are so stupid to fall for the lies of a dumb Bush doesn't that make democrats dumber? We can use Dumbama as an exhibit of the "democrat brain trust."

Prager banks on idiocy
His analogy to a city disarming is an intentional lie. It is not applicable to this situation and he's certainly smart enough to know better. Nobody who is serious is suggesting the US disarms. Our conventional military force is clearly better than anything else in the world. Nuclear weapons do not give more power to the US. They permit any two-bit tyrant to flex his muscles. They equalize. The fact that Prager uses deception to promote his position leads me to believe his position has nothing to do with Obama's so-called naivety.

Not naive...just stupid!
If Obama thinks that China and Russia are going to disarm their nukes, he's way more dangerous than naive...he's plain stupid. Our weapons systems are the only thing that keeps us safe from the tyrants of the world.

Every peace-loving citizen of the world would embrace a world without nukes, but it's not going to happen in our lifetime. The sooner Obama's fifteen minutes are up the better.

US power, in fact, protects the world..
...from itself. Weaken US power actually makes the threat of war increase. Weaken US nuclear capabilities increases the possibility of war exchange. Allow N. Korea to test and display, for Iran, their missile building technology, rogue states become a major global player on the nuclear front. What rogue nations thought twice about doing under Bush ... their hands are now untied under Obama.

Where will it all lead to? Peace or war?

To: BleedingHeartLiberal #56
Your wrote, "A world free of nuclear weapons is a worthy goal, shared by many Presidents, including Ronald Reagan." Wall Street Journal. If the conservative icon shared the goal, how does that make Obama naive?

Here is the answer to your question.

Ronald Reagan aspired to BILATERAL nuclear arms reductions. See Seth #39 post for Reagan's exact words before Congress, directed at the Soviet Union.

Obama proposes UNILATERAL nuclear arms reductions. This does not make us stronger or the world safer. It encourages two-bit thug leaders like Kim Jong Ill to be aggressive as they believe they will suffer no retaliation.

As a combat veteran....
..with lots of trigger time against the commies in southeast Asia, I've always been amazed at the naievete' of the liberal when it comes to the savagery of our enemies. The left is completely unable to grasp just how barbaric and brutal a foreign government, along with its military, can be.

Think of a street punk/reptile/gang member as compared to a police officer. The former kills or maims at a whim, and feels completely unburdened by decency, and compassion. They are without mercy of any kind.

A police officer can lose his job if he gets a little too rough with a street predator or, heaven forbid, if he or she uses an ethnic slur. Liberals always consider the vermin's "feelings" when the former engages in their mental "hug-a-thug" practices.

America's enemies in war are almost always given a free pass by our media and world dictators when it comes to murdering civilians, or torturing anyone they see as necessary to suffer a prolonged and agonizing death. One day soon, however, our leftists here will learn an incredibly painful lesson. Unfortunately, so will the rest of the unaware and naive.

larry22
this one may interest you. have you seen it?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/main612 067.shtml

who appointed Tenet?

Bill Clinton

Observations
T Roosevelt-"Walk softly, but carry a big stick".
Psalm 23(paraphrased) - Yea, though I walk through the valley os the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the meanest motherf***er in the valley.
R Reagan- Trust but verify".

Sol, CA, 1:34pm
It appears the Bush administration was fully intent to make actionable Clinton's Iraqi regime change law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/11/01/981101-in.htm

http://reformedleftist.blogspot.com/2007/02/clintons-iraq-r egime-change-policy.html

Clinton created and signed into law the regime change policy. Bush implemented the Clinton presidential policy. "After speaking to the U.N. General Assembly meeting of 2006, President Jalal Talabani of Iraq found himself in a room with President Bush and former President Clinton. He embraced them both. "Thank you," he said to Clinton, "for signing the law that called for the liberation of Iraq. And thank you, Mr. Bush, for being the one to implement it." Clinton did not distance himself from the Iragi regime change law used by Bush.

Congress voted to give Bush the authority to rage war with Iraq for the purpose of regime change. Without the approval and funding from Congress, Iraq regime would not have been possible.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998



Bleeding Heart Idiot
You are a lying sack of liberal filth. At no point in Reagan's life did he ever advocate that we should unilaterally disarm after our enemies launched ICBMs at our allies like our Lord and Savior just did.

Peace Through Strength
Reagan's commercial is as relevent today as it was back in 1980.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z0VQ4vFwPUPeace

Prager is wrong
And so are others who claim Obama is advocating unilateral disarmament. He specifically said he is not advocating this, and said the U.S. will hold on to its weapons as long as others have them.

But Obama does seek to appeal to "the better angels of our nature"--of everyone's nature--around the world. I say, God bless him for that.

To liberals who accept this philosophy
It's my understanding that the basic premise of nuclear disarmament, - like ANY kind of disarmament - or so we've been told so often for years by liberals, is to send a message to the rest of the world that "we are not a threat to you, so you don't need to be spending precious resources on armaments against a bogus enemy".

To you liberals who believe this, I can give you a suggestion to put this philosophy to the test in your own PERSONAL lives; this is an idea that other conservatives have floated before on this site.

For those of you who do NOT live in communities protected by armed security - and being the hypocrites that you ARE, a lot of you probably DO - put a prominent sign in a window of your home that can be easily seen by passers-by that reads: "These premises are NOT protected by a gun".

And then let's see if those who might be would-be victimizers of you will respect YOUR declaration of "disarmament" - and leave your premises alone.

Any takers?

Proud Lib
"He specifically said he is not advocating this, and said the U.S. will hold on to its weapons as long as others have them."

So what you are saying is that he really said NOTHING? Currently Iran and North Korea are defying United Nations sanctions and international treaties with their nuclear programs. Just what do you think they will do when Obama tells them to not only abide by the sanctions by discontinue production of more nukes, but also destroy what they already have?

Pukes like you are so gullible, it should be a capital offense for you to vote. Dolts like you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that our Lord and Savior is magically going to pay everyone's mortgage, fill everyone's gas tank, make everyone rich, cure cancer, and magically make all nukes worldwide vanish into thin air.

Obama is a serial appeaser, and this has ALREADY been IRREFUTABLY proven. China attacks our ships in international water, and what did Obama do? NOTHING. Palestinian terrorists continue to blow up Israeli children, and Obama condemns Israel for being offended by their kids being blown to bits then sends billions of dollars to the terrorists waging war with Israel. North Korea launches an ICBM at Japan, and Obama announces his plan to disarm. Obama has already bowed down to Russia and told them they are free to launch missiles in Eastern Europe by betraying our allies and dismantling the missile shield. The Cuban regime continues to torture political dissidents and Obama's response is to reward them with lifting the travel ban. Obama has specifically stated that no matter how many Islamic jihadists turn our cities into rubble, he will never lift a finger to stop them.

As I asked yesterday, has Obama even done ONE THING -- no matter how insignificant -- that has been anything other than a MONUMENTAL disaster? Anything at all? Can this guy even take a leak without pi$$ing on someone?

Great nations...
...decay from within. There are many examples to cite, but we needn't adduce the Roman Empire to make the point.

"The sun never sets on the British Empire," it was observed many decades ago. Well, it does now, because its arrogance and economic myopia has led to its decline. France and Germany can be included in that mix as well, for other reasons, but the result is the same.

The strength of America is that it's a more resilient Leviathan and it takes more than one misguided, ignorant president to bring her down. However, he can easily establish the policy framework to put it on a trajectory of unwitting decay, while encouraging the cultural sub-text that supports it.

All of this is implicitly addressed in Mr. Prager's prescient column. Obama is the product of the post-modern era in which values are imputed not innate and in which the only absolute is relativism. Authority is to be shunned, as is power projection.

The most lethal aspect of this is the tectonic way in which it insidiously works its way into the fabric of our thinking, making plausible notions that would historically have been dismissed out of hand.

For more commentary on this and related matters, see my blog at:

http://www.clearcommentary.com

Regards,

Phil Mella



WOW

http://blog.elephantslayer.com/

a blogger who lays elephants! How do you get in position?

Seth
Did you read the Obama quote? I know Prager then talks as if Obama is trying to bring about the episode of the Simpsons in which the earth disarms and is immediately taken over by aliens. But the quote is in the article above and there is nothing in there about unilateral disarmament. And since it only covers nuclear weapons, it would still leave the US far and away the most powerful nation in the world.

Of the two quotes, the Reagan one comes off as more naive, sounding as it does like a coke commercial. By contrast Obama seems to be describing more of a pragmatic deal whereby everyone gives up something they want to obtain something they want more.

My view is that we should cut the number of nukes we have because we don't need the number we have, and it would be good to reduce the Russian quantity to prevent theft. But I do not favor getting rid of them altogether. I think there is a value in having a deterrent stock.

Barack's Excellent Adventure

On his first trip abroad as Head of State Obama was filmed bowing deeply to the King of Saudi Arabia. The President and First Lady of the United States of America never, EVER bow or curtsey to ANYONE!

One can't help but wonder if this was merely a protocol gaffe due to the President's naivete and inexperience, or if it is symptomatic of something else, something far more worrisome . . . .

As for his statement "America is not at war with Islam." Fine! Swell! Peachy keene! But Islam, at least a large part of it, IS AT WAR WITH US! What part of "They want to kill us" does he fail to comprehend? It is apalling that he is so totally gormless!

idiocy
it would be like the movies with a twist:

"I know you're in there Rocky. We have you surrounded. Come out with your hands up and no one get's hurt."
"Oh, and in a gesture of fairness we are disarming and throwing our weapons towards the door"

What do you think Rocky is gonna do??

Repub/Con=CHICKENHAWK!!

The ** CHICKENHAWKS **

"Chicken Hawks" are people who are enthused about their country engaging WAR – which is why they are called "hawks", – but who make sure that their own butts are nowhere near the fighting – which makes them "Chicken Hawks"


you'll be amazed how many "gung ho pro war" repubs/cons make the list.. check this out


http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/chickenhawks.html

Community Activist
I do not think that Barry is naive or a dreamer,(unless you're talking nightmare).

He is running this country like the activist he is. He does not understand that he cannot run a nation the way he ran community events on Chicago's south side. But he's wielding his "GOLDEN SHOVEL" and mucking up everything in his path. What a mess.

I wish Barry the POTUS would stand down and let the TOTUS run the country. I'd feel safer.

The pro from dover

Thank you for your service.

Tea parties, April 15th... and beyond.

Dennis
Great column. The POTHUS is in over his head. To use his phrase"It's above my pay grade". The whole job is above him. He will weeken us to the point that booms will be going off in our citys. The only good will be that maybe the libs will wake up.
Kirk

"Functionally Stupid"
I'm going to introduce you folks to a concept I have to deal with regularly.
It doesn't matter if a person has a genius IQ, if they make bad call after bad call, because of un-examined preconceptions, they are "functionally Stupid". Any average person (or truly stupid person) may out do them by using a more correct paradigm.

Barrack Obama is "Functionally Stupid".

Even IF his goal is the destruction of the USA, this is STUPID and an un-examined preconception.
If he succeeds, where will he hide?
The same place Mussolini hid, up a lamp post.
His wife "hid" up there too.

Appeal to our better anlgels?
Lord I pray that is not so, as the heart of man is a very corrupt thing. To think that Russa, China, Iran, Korea, and Islamic nut cases have "better angels", scary.
Kirk

Rivenbug: Functionally Stupid?
you stated:
"Barrack Obama is "Functionally Stupid.
Even IF his ( goal is the destruction of the USA, this is STUPID and an un-examined preconception. If he succeeds, where will he hide?"

I kinda think you need to look in the mirror, dude. the reason I say that is anyone who ACTUALLY believes what you just wrote about Prez Obama above is just as you described YOURSELF. LMAO

Obama is "Functionally Stupid"
Obama's power grab of our economy is under the misguided belief he can end the periodic economic cycles of expansion and contraction. Obama, after years of studying socialist economics believes greedy bankers profit from a bad economy. Obama states over and over, "...no longer can we allow Wall Street wrongdoers…No longer can we allow special interests to put their thumbs on the economic scales…that leads only to disruptive cycles of bubble and bust....It is time to set a new course for this economy, and that change must begin now..."

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-will-not-accept-ec onomic-cycle

Obama, like all socialist, assume the economy has a set amount of wealth that each of us must share between ourselves. A rich person got wealthy by taking the wealth of a poor person. Therefore, wealth must be redistributed back to the original owner, the poor person. Obama doesn't understand that wealth is continuously created from individual drive and will. Obama’s economic policies will damage the wealth creation process, which will hurt the poor more than the wealthy. Plus, when have bankers wanted people out of work and not borrowing? To earn capital from the economic activity bankers want a boom economy, not a bust economy as Obama suggests above. Obama sees bankers and wealthy special interest as having their thumbs on the scales to profit from a bust economy. Obama thinks he can use central government control and planning of our capitalist economy to end the disruptive bubble / bust cycle, thereby, transforming our economy from a capitalist economy into a statist, socialist economy.

These are examples of Obama's functional stupidity!

Left AngleMd.
Too funny that you are all in a dither because you discovered what a Chickenhawk is.

First of all...,it's an old term. Second...,it embraces BOTH parties. Other than that get your own learn on about it.

I wanted to add that you need to read for comprehension. I understood Rivenburg's post.You did not.

Calm down Left Angle. You just do not seem to know what to do with yourself now that Barry Dunham is POTUS. The two posts above prove it. They're really dumb.

Hey...,here's an idea. Why don't you really watch what the POTUS and his cabinet are doing.Then you could have an actual opinion instead of blowing smoke about Neocons.

Dennis, you are coming across
as another apologist for Obama right up there with Charles Krauthammer, who thinks Obama’s ultimate agenda is fairness for everyone (like anybody would object to that) and the Economist Magazine who says Obama is “Learning the hard way.”

You all think he is just a misguided young whipper-snapper who has America’s best interests at heart but is misguided and naive. I’m sorry to say, it is YOU who is naïve.

Do you really think this man, who spent his formative years seeking out council from some of America’s most notorious communists, who graduated from Harvard, has no knowledge of the historical failures of pacifism or the economic failures of socialism?

Barack Obama is determined to see this country fall completely apart, and everything he is doing is setting us up for that end. Only fools will be surprised when it happens.

PS. See the Townhall article by Laura Hollis of Feb. 16th if you really want to know what is going on. Or maybe you just want to stay in La La Land and remain blissfully deluded.

L.C. Oh I understood his post
he like you are among the dunderheads who believe "prez obama ran for potus so that if elected he could destroy it from within because he is a anti-american closet dictator who wants to convert the system from capitalism to marxist socialism/communism."

tell me that isnt what YOU believe?

l.c. see ms kellys post..
she is a perfect example of what i am talking about. she is in complete denial that the "setup/destruction of our country" came during the 8 years of rule under former repub prez bush and the former repub congress for 6 years. prez obama INHERITED this mess from them, he didnt CREATE IT.

you repubs/cons simply amaze me.

Folks, here is the bottom line
Even if WE disarm, SOMEONE won't.

And then what?

It is believing ANYTHING else that makes Obama either pitifully ignorant, or malevolent.

Those are your choices.

"White folks greed runs a world...
...in need," President, dear leader, Barack Hussein Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdLX3aRNaNk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqoROLFa8w4

This youtube video clip is Michelle Obama after taking some of Obama's stash hidden under the mattress in Lincoln's bedroom. Please tell Barack and Michelle they can stop campaigning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBS2cFoS2sQ&feature=related

Crazy Like a Fox?
Maybe Obama is crazy like a fox? Maybe he is operating at a "higher level"? What if his approach is the very best one, and for that reason inaccessible to ordinary humans?
The things that Jesus did "made no sense."
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Having said all this, I'm not sure I want Obama to sacrifice America for his ultimate "atonement" goals. He won't do that.
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And having said that, I want to see how things turn out--and I'm hoping for the best while still trusting our promising and unconventional leader.

Obama a gamble
Ms Kelly, funny you should mention "The Economist".
past and present:

Oct 30th 2008
{The Economist does not have a vote, but if it did, it would cast it for Mr Obama. We do so wholeheartedly: the Democratic candidate has clearly shown that he offers the better chance of restoring America’s self-confidence. But we acknowledge it is a gamble. Given Mr Obama’s inexperience, the lack of clarity about some of his beliefs and the prospect of a stridently Democratic Congress, voting for him is a risk. Yet it is one America should take, given the steep road ahead.
Our main doubts about Mr Obama have to do with the damage a muddle-headed Democratic Congress might try to do to the economy.}

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cf m?story_id=12516666

Mar 26th 2009
{..the Oval Office is no place for on-the-job training. His performance has been weaker than those who endorsed his candidacy, including this newspaper, had hoped. Many of his strongest supporters—liberal columnists, prominent donors, Democratic Party stalwarts—have started to question him. As for those not so beholden, polls show that independent voters again prefer Republicans to Democrats, a startling reversal of fortune in just a few weeks.

Lead, dammit

There are some signs that Mr Obama’s administration is learning.}

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?stor y_id=13362895

is this the real Obama?
{We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution,..I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.
“We can’t have education without revolution. We have tried peace education for 1,900 years and it has failed. Let us try revolution and see what it will do now.”
..I’ve also understood teaching as a project intimately connected with social justice. Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions small and large.
Capitalism promotes racism and militarism – turning people into consumers, not citizens.
..the failings of capitalist schooling can be resisted and overcome.}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ&eurl=http%3A%2F% 2Fhotair.com%2Farchives%2F2008%2F10%2F07%2Fcnn-obamas-lying -about-william-ayers%2F&feature=player_embedded

http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/11/

Don't Cry Us, Amerika!!! - I
While the American media paints Barack Obama’s European tour as a balm on strained relations with EU allies, Europeans have a much different reaction to Obama today. After Obama endorsed Turkey’s bid to enter the EU, the Continental grumbling has broken through in the media — and the political class. Der Spiegel reports that German and French officials have begun complaining about Obama’s arrogance in injecting himself into a European decision, including French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Once again, this is what happens when we elect a head of state with no experience in foreign policy, and an apparent lack of curiosity about policies and issues. Even a moderately interested observer of EU politics would know that Turkey’s membership application has generated a lot of resistance and controversy. A well-informed head of state would realize that the kind of declaration given by Obama would likely damage those prospects, as it would represent a challenge for the EU to show some autonomy from the US.


Don't Cry For Us, Amerika!!! - II
Instead, we elected a rookie, and he’s already acted more arrogantly and with less skill than his predecessor, whom Obama criticized indirectly but obviously in town-hall meetings in Turkey and France. After this episode, George Bush and his careful handling of the Turkish question might gain some new respect from the EU.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/07/europeans-discover-ob amas-arrogance/

According to our national media, we are expected to believe that because His Barackness and Her Sleveelessness' "success" in Europe more soldiers have been sent to die in Afghanistan our own children, welcomed a uniformed, global bailout and charming one world order, North Korea and Iran have humbled their nuclear ambitions, and Israel has felt secure enough not to positively test a missile defense system.

Yes, don't cry for us, Amerika, because "We Are The World!"

And, we get to pay for the privilege the failure of successful European vacation.

Over his head
That is the only thing that can describe this guy.

If I wrote a book about a president doing all these things, my publisher would kick it back to me and tell me it was too far fetched.

Naive????
No Mr. Prager, I would have to disagree. I think the appropriate word to describe the President is FAITHFUL. Faithful to his beliefs. Perhaps you believe the President is navie because you got caught up in the Historical Moment of it all like the Media and that includes Fox. I listened to what the Candidate was saying and I knew he was dead serious. Now according to the Democrats(The Waxmans), I am a dumb, stupid, ignorant, former member of the U.S. Military(Vietnam Veteran;USMC)who figured that out. Maybe I should receive an Honorary Degree from Notre Dame or Harvard. Ok..would you accept SMU or Grambling.

Two things.
First, on the issue of whether Obama is a complete fool, or brilliantly evil. I believe he is evil, and attempting to ruin the country, to bring us down to the level of a third world country, or at least to level of Europe. But I also think he is a naive fool to think that the good people of this country will allow that.

Second, nuclear disarmament is just like firearm disarmament. If Obama has his way, we, the Americans, the good guys, will give up our weapons. The bad guys, the criminals, North Korea, Iran, etc, will not. Where does that leave us? Defenseless. Just the way Obama wants it.

Naive?
Obama is a straw man being allowed to play at being POTUS by whomever it is that is behind him, some sort of evil cabal?

He kept his Blackberry because he needs his marching orders.

He goes back to Chicago regularly because he has to get his marching orders. Keep an eye on rham and Axelrod - they k now exactly how to prep their man.

He loves the toys like Air Force One, and like the basketball court that is replacing the tennis courts.... the adulation, the hysteria that surround him - take a look at the USA Today pic in yesterday's paper..he is just basking at being in the limelight. He has no experience with which to make decisons. He is being told what to say and when tp say it. Look at the report that the White House chose to skip Normandy. Read the report that he tells the Iraqui leaders that they have to bring factions together that have been at war for centuries...

He is enjoying being POTUS for as long as he can, because who knows when his handlers will decide it is time to let all of the poor folks that they have riled up into classs warfare hit the streets, to create mayhem. They will never stop to think that as 'bad' as their lives may have been in the past, they are about to get even worse, not only for them, but for everybody. Take a look at Cuban and Argentinan history and you will see that we are fast on the road to becoming a once gret nation.

No. He isn't naive. Not at all.

LETS BE REAL...
It is very generous to call obama naive. Thats like calling a hurricane 'a bit breezy'. b. hussein is a world-class idiot. At this very moment, Putin and the Chi-coms are drooling at the thought of dealing with this minor-leaguer.

The POTUS As POS-In-Chief
Do you suppose Obama could have visited at least one American war dead cemetery while in France, especially since this is his first trip there as President? I guess it doesn't fit in well with his agenda of apologizing for American "arrogance."

But it's even worse than my friend suggested. In fact, Barack Hussein Obama was urged by French President Nicholas Sarkozy to visit the Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial, where American soldiers who gave their lives in WWII's invasion at Normandy are buried. But he declined so as not to offend Germany and Britain. HUH?

Yes, he's now so worried what the walking-dead Europeans think that an American President won't visit the graves of those who gave their lives for America (and, I might add, for Germany and Britain--without us, they might not be here).

French officials and senior American military officers walked with White House staff through the cemetery discussing how the two presidents might follow the same route. But even before their trip, the White House had decided that Mr Obama would not travel there this week.

"It wasn't going to happen," said an American official in Washington. "We went through the motions to placate President Sarkozy but giving special treatment to France was not on our agenda.

http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3592 &posts=2

Sir Barack Obama, may you rot in Hell.

I have another view of Obama
He is not naive at all.
He fully understands such a policy would weaken America.

This guy hates America and is intentionally working to destroy this Republic.

The only people who are naive are people like you Dennis, thinking this fraudulent liar in the WH does not understand perfectly what he is trying to do.

Do not be so naive Dennis, you wake up and see him as he really is.

America has....

With all due respect to Dennis, my first impression is that America has a naive (and foolish) Electorate.. at least over half of us, some of whom have already seen the light.

The rest of them will get it later.. America has a sinister narcissistic, dangerous president.. lacking in loyalty to the USA, who is still campaigning to be President of the World, no less.

Good but imperfect column
In his penultimate paragraph, Dennis made 3 goals for any U.S. President. I agreed with the first two, but not the third. Dennis says the world's policeman must be either the U.S. or the U.N. I think this is a false dilemma. How about no world cop?

How about no world cop?
Let's test the suggestion of no world cop. First, let’s restate this as, how about no power or authority that is saw by others as having the ability to confront global violations of international boundaries.

What if there was no power or authority that had the power to confront Germany and Japan during WWII?

What if there was no power or authority that had the power of authority to confront Stalin after WWII?

What if there is no power or authority that has the power and willingness to confront Islamic fundamentalist from setting up an Islamic theocracy?

What if the US did not exist would the world be a more peaceful place? Would Hitler's descendant be still ruling the world? Or, would Japan be ruling the world? Would Russia or China be more passive or aggressive? Would Hitler, Japan, Russia or China have to dominant the world? If they did not dominate the world would the world be more peaceful or violent?

Would does human history suggest about the potential for national leaders to respect the borders of their neighbors? How many past leaders believed they could conquer the world? Does the age old quest for world domination still exist in the heart of world leaders today?

Looking back over the whole of human history, of all the countries that had "power" what country would you want to have that power? Russia, China, Hitler's Germany, WWII Japan, Iran, Islamic fundamentalist, etc, etc, etc? What power or authority holds these global forces in check? What power or authority holds the armed robber in check?

Obama's hubris
Obama is 'functionally stupid' in the way Hitler was functionally stupid.

To win WWII
Liberals who complain that America should not have used the atomic bomb to win WWII are CRO’s (Copul*ting Rect*l Orifices).
Using the bomb ended the war in a few days, and saved the lives of a million American soldiers and almost the entire population of Japan.
The American plan for invading Japan consisted of landing our soldiers on one island and invading from there.
The Japanese plan consisted of putting as many defenders as possible on the same island, including old men, women, and little children armed with pointy sticks. Since American soldiers would have been reluctant to shoot little children, many would have been wounded or killed by them. Had they shot children, our soldiers would be called war criminals by liberals.
Japanese not killed by American soldiers would kill themselves for failing the Emperor. After how many years, would the war be over, with one million Americans and the entire population of Japan dead?
Using the bomb, the war ended in days, one million Americans and almost the entire Japanese population lived to continue their lives. Liberals hate this part.

Obama's claim that he is not naive
Obama is not only naive but he borders on completely stupid. The man does not understand economics 101, nor does he have the slightest idea about protecting this country from our enemies. In this respect he is not far from Clinton, you know the guy who would rather have an aide under his desk than to have to think about anything above his crotch. After we destroy our military back to the levels that was realized by our hero previously mentioned, maybe Obama will be able to convince all of our enemies that we are equal to them and now we can all play nice in the future. Obama is under the impression that disarming ourselves will help other countries respect us more as an equal. You know in the 'misery loves company' way. Obama the fool -- need I say more?
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. . . so I can vote AGAINST Barack Obama!!!

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Reply # 11
Date: Apr 7, 2009 - 10:40 PM EST
Naive?

Obama is a straw man being allowed to play at being POTUS by whomever it is that is behind him, some sort of evil cabal......................

No. He isn't naive. Not at all

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You nailed it! Obama is not naive, he is calculating and has a mission. I also agree that he does not love this country as any POTUS is required to do. He sat at the foot of his racist, anti-American Minister for 20 years and soaked up at that negative energy about our great country. This elitist, empty suit bloviates about global warming and spews nonsense about "carbon footprints" but today he flew in a Pizza Chef from Missouri (860 miles) just to make Pizza for him and his staff. Talk about HUBRIS! He has to be defeated in 2012 or he will forever change this country and shred our Constitution for his "transnational" view of the world. That is why the Tea Party's are going to be so successful. There are tens of thousands who feel exactly the same way and are going to raise their voices so loud that Washington had better pay attention. We've had enough.

link to Pizza Story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article

I thought Prager was a spiritual man
I don't care what your background, there's a rule that keeps popping up in every serious search for wisdom.

Should we perform evil just in case evil might happen to us first?

No, we should perform good and expect good in return.

To do otherwise is unwise.

Real Prager Listeners?
I wonder if Dennis Prager, a man whom I admire for his rational, logical, and thoughtful mind, realizes how many off-the-wall extremists use his logic to defend their small minded ideas. The messages posted on this board are shocking and disturbing. Many of you simply sound ignorant. I think Mr. Prager would be embarrassed by your low-end remarks.

Obama's approach is working
Obama is merely calling for a reduction in the number of nuclear weapons, not their complete removal. His recent statements on nuclear proliferation were done to gain support for his policies on North Korea and Iran. This was certainly not naive as we saw reaction from other countries was positive. If this leads to greater "global" pressure on Iran and North Korea (and the removal of some of the nuclear stockpiles) then his "statements" had the desired effect. I think the US could easily give up 90% of its nuclear arsenal and be able to obliterate any enemy foolish enough to start a nuclear war. Mr. Prager needs to be more sophisticated about his analysis of Obama. One wonders if he even believes in the things he says given the naivete of his recent writings.

Obama can hope
However, in the real world, there are bad people developing nuclear weapons for war with anyone who does not think like them. I say stock up and kill them all!
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