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Tuesday, January 27, 2009
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
California college student: Terror is the New Communism
by Dennis Prager
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As they say on the TV show “24,” the following took place last week between 9 and 10 p.m. on a flight from Los Angeles to Denver.

I spoke for a few minutes to the 20-year-old woman seated across the aisle from me.

She: What brings you to Denver?”

Me: I am giving a speech.

She: What do you do?

Me: I'm a radio talk show host.

She: Who did you vote for?

Me: McCain

She: Why?

Me: Smaller government and the war on terror.

She: Terror is the new communism.

Me: Communism killed about a hundred million people. And who do you think attacked and killed 3,000 of us on Sept. 11?

She: The government.

For the record, as I believe this to be essential to understanding this young woman’s views, she is a student attending the University of California Santa Barbara.

Truth is she had to be a student at a major university. She would never have come up with “Terror is the new Communism” on her own. It is a moral obscenity that one has to learn.

Of course, there is an irony to this statement. Meant in the opposite way she meant it, I could largely assent to the proposition that terror is the new communism. Communism was an enslaving and murderous threat in its time and the Jihadism is such a threat in our lifetime.

But that is not how this young woman meant the statement. As she has learned history and the contemporary world, communism was a bogeyman in its time and terror is a bogeyman in our time.

When I told her that communism had killed 100 million people, I could not tell if she even processed the words. It was as if had I uttered a series of nonsense syllables. She either didn’t believe me or didn’t care.

On the assumption that I had met a person with a normal conscience, the only rational explanation for her non-reaction is that she didn’t believe me and regarded what I said as right-wing propaganda (just as the belief in that Islamist terror threatens us).

In her belief that neither communism nor terror were/are real threats, I suspect this young woman represents many college students. If one wants to understand what left-wing dominance in university social sciences departments produces, one merely had to meet this young woman.

At most universities, communism is a non-evil, indeed, largely a non-issue. The most enslaving and murderous movement in history is almost never taught as such. When communism is mentioned at all, it is usually solely in order to show how vile anti-communists were. Thus, as little as students may know about McCarthyism, most students far more readily identify it with evil than they do communism. Indeed, more could probably identify Joseph McCarthy than Joseph Stalin.

Nor is this a matter of students not being taught to label anything as evil. They have no problem labeling Nazism, Fascism, George W. Bush, slavery, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, xenophobia, and tobacco companies as evil. It’s just that they won’t label communism as such.

Does one in 10.000 students know of the communist terror-famine that took about 6 million Ukarainian lives. How many know about the communist Pol Pot, who butchered nearly one-third of his fellow Cambodians? Or how many innocents were murdered in the Gulag Archipelago (or could even identify it)? Or that China’s communist tyrant Mao Zedong killed about 60 million of his fellow Chinese? Or that Communist North Korea is essentially a concentration camp in the guise of a country?

The answer to all these questions is very few.

And that, quite frankly, breaks my heart. I am currently reading “Mao: The Secret Life,” almost universally regarded, even in the mainstream media, as the most important book on Mao ever written. According to the authors, in 1930-31 alone, Mao and his gang developed 120 types of torture for use on innocent people he wanted to force into phony confessions so as to rule by terror. They included burning the vaginas of wives of opponents and pulling wires through men’s penises, which were then attached to their ears and plucked.

These poor souls have no memorial. Least of all at an American university.

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Generation Lost
With our new "Community-organizer-in-chief" and his merry band of thugs and greasy lobbyists and Marxists, expect millions more of these peacecreep, hippy-dippy airheads with ideas on loan from the Bill Ayers and Ward Churchills of academia. Buying a plane ticket to the Philippines tomorrow, who's with me?
http://www.livinginthephilippines.com

Sadly
this is true. Today's society consist of feelings before thinking. Enter Liberal professors and bam! student indoctrination.

Communism largely ignored
The way it was represented in my civics or econ classes was as a good theory that hadn't yet been applied correctly. It was considered a practical alternative to capitalism that was corrupted by rulers with evil intentions. Because it is not the system here, and the above explanation seems to fit with any evidence most students would know, that was the extent of our education on the subject. The significance of communism's role in the 20th century is mostly presented militarily as USA v. Russia. Our class's views of communism=bad were based more on Rocky and Red Dawn than on any practical knowledge.

I didn't really appreciate how little we get taught this stuff in school until I had to debate another student in an econ class. When I brought up the Soviet Gulags, no one, not even the teacher, had ever heard of such a thing. We need better social studies classes for all ages.

Is it any wonder that Radical islam...
is making unobstructed gains through roits, demonstartions and intimidation both in Europe and here in the U.S. These young students are indoctrinated to believe Israel and the U.S are the bad guys. That Islamists are justified in their barbaric beheadings, suicide bombings of innocents thus aiding in the push to establish a caliphate in the West...complete with sharia law.

The left is so blind to what is really happening. Sadly by the time they wake up, our freedoms may be lost. Riots and killings over cartoons, the Popes speech...and in the eyes of the clueless left, The U.S. the bad guy. Communism, they believe, was a harmless ideology used as an excuse to violate rights?
God we're in trouble.

Waterboarding is considered torture and elicits cries of outrage. beheadings, suicide bombings, torturing, killing then burning our troops corpses and dragging them through the streets elicits barely a whisper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97hyDRjdXCE

Socialism is Communism in a hurry

It was said during the McCarthy era that socialism is communism in a hurry. When I was in elementary school we had 8mm films of the horrors of the concentration camps we could watch as well as Hitlers cruelity and speaches.

When I put my now adult sons in elementary schools in the early 90's they didn't have anything of the sort and when they came home spewing pro-socialist views I started homeschooling. Now My 8 year old seems to know more than this 20 year old ditz. That's just plain nuts.

I teach history with our homeschool co-op and I refuse to gloss over and not tell things the way they were. If teachers contiune to sugar coat the human cost of communism we'll be there faster than we know it..

Socialism is communism in a hurry.

Spread the blame
Leftist bias and mendacity in the classroom are a chronic outrage, but we mustn't let the press off the hook. It bears a great deal of responsibility for general ignorance of communism and many other evils.

For generations the press has has gone along to get along with actual and potential dictators, foreign and domestic, though it has been notably partial to those of the communist persuasion. It has respected the boundaries to inquiry erected by tyrants and bomb-throwers. It has uncritically repeated propaganda. It has made light of oppression and atrocity. It has been fooled by transparent lies. And it has lied itself to advance the cause, as when Walter Duranty whitewashed Stalin's Soviet Union in the pages of the execrable _New York Times_. Press complicity in getting Obama elected is rightly a hot topic nowadays. But leftist activism in the newsroom is hardly news. It has been going on for ages.

It's just as well for journalists that this country doesn't license members of their trade. Most of them could be prosecuted or sued for malpractice.

Liberal voters are just dumb voters.

This is why we see Liberals post some of the dumb things on TH.

Their viewpoint of the world is not based on fact, on history, or on any rational thought process.

They only know what someone else told them. Ctitical thinking skills are not valued or encouraged.

Fred
On behalf of all reasonable Americans I say: Buh-bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Most Americans knew Communism was evil, but that didn't justify the evils of McCarthyism. Just as the evils of terrorism don't justify setting aside the Constitution and the rule of law. Prager's sophistry doesn't change these realities.

Obama is doing a great job of marginalizing the far right. Soon you will be as marginalized as the far left. But you can always talk to each other on sites like this and convince yourself that the world's gone crazy. It's what inmates in asylums everywhere do.

Harvard Law Review
certainly this student has a bright future ahead - perhaps editor of the Harvard Law Review (where she won't actually have to publish any articles). When do we begin to hold this countries universities accountable for their "product"?

correction
should be "country's" rather than countries...

Edna Eagle
If I had a hat, I'd doff it in your direction for having the courage and the patience to teach your children things that matter. But didn't you get that saying backwards? I always thought it was "Communism is socialism in a hurry." Or socialism is communism before dissidents begin to disappear. Or some such.

In any event, the socialists in Washington are evidently in a big hurry.

slavery ..
is the intent of authoritarian governance, whether it be socialism, fascism, militant islamism, or other variants of totalitarian rule. The variety is limited to the identity, professed motives, and capriciousness of whomever is running the plantation.

Ayn Rand rightly observed that nobody who fails to support individual rights can claim to support civil rights.

v/r,

-- Bud

slavery ..
is the intent of authoritarian governance, whether it be socialism, fascism, militant islamism, or other variants of totalitarian rule. The variety is limited to the identity, professed motives, and capriciousness of whomever is running the plantation.

Ayn Rand rightly observed that nobody who fails to support individual rights can claim to support civil rights.

v/r,

-- Bud

200+ Spies in the state department
LaborLawyer
Please tell us what exactly those evils Joe Mac. did?
How many people were starved to death?
Zero.

How many people watched their wives be tortured?
Zero.

How many people lost their jobs?
A bunch of people working in the US State Department taking money from the Kremlin to spy on our country.

The media during Joe Mac's time ignored (Like Walter Duranty) what was happening in Washington and Joe Mac starting making noise.

News papers and TV folks turned on him--and painted him--much like Sarah Palin as badly as as they could in as many venues as they could.

So you, today, can compare beheadings, suicide bombings and starvation death to "evils" of speaking loudly and openly the truth or the Government listening in to folks from Yemen while Our POTUS takes over private companies by the score.

Read the 10th Amendment and tell me who is destroying what.

"These poor souls have no memorial"
Actually, there is a Victims of Communism Memorial in Washington DC.

Duranty the Scumbag
Got a Pulitzer for denying the murder of millions of Soviet citizens under "Uncle Joe" Stalin.


-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

These "higher academicians" are idiots -
"These poor souls have no memorial. Least of all at an American university."

Truly, these people are moral retards. I studied for a Ph.D. in social science and decided not to teach (which I love to do) rather than continue being part of a institution so bent on scamming the public.

The best thing that we can do for this country would be to cease all student aid. We enable these intellectual clowns to perpetuate the B.S. on our kids. WE should be tortured as described in the article for allowing it to happen.

The Left is determined to destroy the culture, and to erase historical memory.

People -- THEY HAVE SUCCEEDED SO FAR, you think?!?!?!

Fight now while you can. Not sure how, but let us begin the struggle. Or die like cowards. And death can be conceived in many ways - not least among them, spiritual.

Ayn Rand's predictions coming true
Dennis Prager, you are very brave, principled and eloquent. Thank you for this column and for so many others. When the evil of Communism is taken as a joke I shudderingly go back to my college days in the late sixties as the seemingly lone conservative on a liberal campus - arguing against that old "Better Red than Dead" slogan. But now the process is even more invidious and ubiquitous and I really fear for the future. Ayn Rand's novels warned us, but over the years through many ways (media, universities, socialistic programs, etc.) the groundwork has been laid to do away with the role of responsible, creative individuals, with free enterprise, with freedom itself. It is a bleak,frightening and Godless future we face. May God bless you and your work!

The Best Defense
Jesus said: "...on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it."

Usually this verse is taken defensively, as the devil will never really be able to totally conquer the church. But, I like the way Jack Hayford explained it in one of his sermons. 'You don't see the gates of a city marching against an enemy. The gates were meant to defend a city.' So it's apparent that the christian church is to be the aggressor breaking down the gates of hell and making disciples of all nations.

My kids all went to public school. I didn't want them raised in a hot house environment, where once they got out it, they wouldn't be able to handle the temptations and pressures of life. How many young adults, raised in a Christian home, and going to Christian schools all their life, lose their faith as soon as they go to college?

My oldest son, 21, has all his life wanted to be a rock and roll star. He's been in rock bands ever since he was a freshman in high school. He stopped going to church when he was 14. Last August he heard an ad on one his hard core rock and roll stations about this church for people who didn't like going to church. He's been going ever since, got baptized last month, and is playing lead guitar for their worship team.

My daughter, 19, is finishing up an AA degree at a secular junior college in August and is heading for Nicaragua as a missionary trainee in September.

We don't have to be afraid of the leftists, or the communists, or the Islamists, or any other slave of Satan, if we're doing what we're supposed to do as disciples of the Lord of this universe.



Victims of Communism
is a surprisingly tiny monument considering the 100 million victims worldwide. And, it is located in a little noticed part of DC. But, much work is being done on getting world wide recognition for the crimes of Communism, positive progress even in the European Parliament! Excellent films have recently been made - Singing Revolution, Soviet Story, Katyn, Terror on the Amber Coast.
http://www.singingrevolution.com
http://www.victimsofcommunism.org
http://www.communistcrimes.org/en

Influence of Leftist Ed Establishment
In the 2008 Presidential election, the 18-29 age group voted 66%-32% for Obama. Do you doubt the influence and effect of the leftist educational establishment, to which Bill Ayres is mainstream.

Foolish American
Quix, thanks for illustrating what a stupid fool Labor lawyer is. To equate the millions killed by Russian and Chinese communists with the "evils of McCarthyism" is outright insanity. We need to start a fund for all those liberals who hate America that would be used to help them to immigrate to China, Cuba or Russia but they would be required to sign a statement that they would never come back to the U.S.

It is so easy
to think that truly evil and vile people and their governments are no threat when you have someone else fighting against them for you.

The youth of today are spoiled brats. They have lived their whole lives in a sheltered paradise where they have nothing to do but whine and complain.

Someone else protects them. Someone else fights to keep them safe, and someone else has gone before them to create the blessed country that allows them to live like little kings and queens.

They are grateful for none of it.

Socialism is Coming
Dennis - as always, a great read. Thanks. My children have all finished college in the last few years and the professors were 90% liberal. Fortunately their religious upbringing and many years of listening to you and Rush and Medved thwarted their efforts to bring them into the lunacy of the Left.
BO is bringing socialism to our doorstep rapidly. I pray there are enough young people to resist this pied piper.

the government
If the young woman thinks that the government is at the root of all evil, then why trust government with building wealth and saving the planet?

I guess her answer would be "whatever".

Ha HA
Looks like laborlawyer went to UC Santa Barbara too. No wonder their called the Banana Slugs

Fighting Back
Dennis Prager makes the case (often) against our indoctrination center universities. There are several ways we can fight back:

1 -- Don't donate. When that sweet young thing calls to remind you of all the wonderful times you had at your alma mater and to ask for a donation, politely tell her the reason for your refusal.

2 -- Don't send your children to leftist university indoctrination centers. Do you really want to pay tens or even hundreds of thousands for the "privilege" of over-paid academics undermining your values in your children??? To have them think that 100 million murdered is no big deal??? If your children do have to attend such a place, prepare them. Make certain they have the knowledge to counter the indoctrination. And arm them with a recording device so they have evidence of what is said in class. Nothing makes a cockroach run faster than a light.

3 -- Retirees, go back to school. Did you know many states have tuition waivers for residents over a certain age? What a great way to keep the mind sharp. But also consider what might happen if, in a classroom of 19- and 20-year-olds, an older adult (someone with REAL life experiences) challenged the leftist propaganda being put forth by the 40-something Marxist professor.

slavery
The biggest problem with slavery is that most of it is voluntary.

I know this will get a lot of people upset but ... As long as people WANT to be taken care of instead of making their own decisions and own way in the world, they are volunary slaves. As long as people accept being told what to do and do it, they are slaves. As long as people do nothing but accept, they are slaves.

Unfortunately, too many of our people are slaves - particularly those on Welfare - who voluntarily accept it. The only slaves who do not voluntarily accept it are those such as in China who labor under the guns of their masters. None of us here in the U.S. do that - yet.

Shades of Gray
Many college students are taught that there are always shades of gray in anything. "Hitler actually thought he was doing a good thing by setting up the gas chambers or he wouldn't have done it. Therefore we shouldn't judge his actions." "There is no such thing as evil. What is evil to one is good for another. Who are we to judge who is right and who is wrong?" Unfortunately too many believe this.

I always point out that there are no shades of gray in a pregnancy. You either are or you are not. Nothing in between.

again
This is a Nation of fools led by a fool.These are the morons that claim that more debt-which caused the chaos to start with-is the solution to the financial collapse.These clowns are so stupid that when the get to hell,they will blame it on Bush.

Changing History
I noticed by daughter's school history book had some comments about the Vietnam war that were deliberately wrong. "The military lost the war in Vietnam but the heroic Senators at the Paris Peace Talks managed to form a treaty that lasted long enough to pull the troops out before they were destroyed." It REALLY annoyed me.

I mentioned it to a friend who was in school at the time. She was a history buff and studied a lot on her own. She had discovered an error in the history book and brought it to the teacher's attention.

Instead of the teacher trying to find out what really happened and teaching the truth, the teacher told her, "The government wants us to learn it this way. So you will have to learn it this way. And there will be questions on the test to insure that you do learn it this way."

And we wonder where our kids gets ideas from.

Dennis
The real shame of your article is that both of you were right. But,neither knew why? Communism did not exist in a vacuum,it was a response to a threat. The threat was the ignorance of those who had the leadership.The ignorance was their inability to find a way to diminish the threat. Politics has always been the disguise of economics. Everyone wanting to rule the world, has placed humankind in harms way more often than not. The real tragedy of today is,we still don't quite understand what is required? The student said "Terrorism is the new Communism",which is true. Unfortunately,this insanity carries the seeds to kill "US" all!!

Peace Corps
I think every student should be required to spend one year helping the people in places like Congo, SE Asia, etc. to be forced to witness just what does occur when there is no freedom. Perhaps when they come back to the U.S. they might be more skeptical of the "intellectual elites" who teach in collges.

When in Vietnam I saw families who had erected a wood frame about ten feet square and put on a grass roof for a house. There might be four generations and twenty people living in it. A combination table/bed would be in the center as their only furniture. The parents would sleep on it, generally with the smallest child or two while the other kids slept on the ground under it. Most of the smaller kids went naked since they didn't have anything to put on them. They were lucky to get two meals a day.

I always said that those people, particularly movies stars, who objected to letting them live their livestyle, should be required to live the same way for a couple of months. They would change their minds quickly. It isn't "quaint"; it is starvation and mistreatment.

Destroying the Culture
I remember a comment one time by anthropologists in South America. They were studying a primitive tribe who lived in the jungle and hunted for a living.

They were upset because other people who encountered the tribe were giving them pocket lighters so the tribe could build fires in a hurry when needed or treating illnesses and wounds for them. This was "destroying the culture" of the tribal members.

I'm quite sure the members of the tribe would be happy to give up starving, dying of minor diseases or infection when in their teens, etc. as part of their "culture". Yet these are the idiots that teach our youth in colleges!

How ironic...
that these professors who teach anti - US doctrine for truth, if they were engaged in the same sort of activity in ANY of the communist countries, that they and their families would probably be executed in the most cruel manner.

It used to be said that college teaches one how to think. That the value of higher education was not the degree but the processes involved in getting the degree. A college grad was considered to be a person who could logically attack problems and solve them.

Frankly, for a person to believe that the US government was the cause of the 9/11 attacks that person has to totally forsake all logic.

The young lady in the story believes a few specific things that defy logic. Like, GW Bush is an idiot. That's the first thing you hear. She was not cited as saying it but she believes it.

BUT! he is a mastermind of cunning and tactics who somehow managed to wire the buildings with explosives, place covert agents in the FAA, the DOD, the fire and police departments, the WTC staff and management, multiple private contractors and airlines, the NTSB, the FTC, the US Diplomatic Corps, and a hostile news media, along with the recruiting of the young men who did the hijacking...

Aparently the administration that was so full of leaks that the rendition and interogation, and the FISA terrorist surveilance programs hit the streets as headlines, managed to eliminate ALL material witnesses to the planning and execution of an event which would have required the cooperation of hundreds (if not thousands) of key players. An event that is so high on the national interest scale that ANYONE who could come forth with proof would be assured of immense riches and rewards from both sides of the aisle.

Logic? Not at UCSB. Employers should refuse to hire anyone with a degree from such a hole.

killer
The real problem with this statement as put by the girl is that many believe that the people the terrorists kill are the bad people. How many times have you heard the MSM address them as "freedom fighters"? Therefore, the youth believe that the terrorists are fighting for freedom for their people which MUST mean that the ones they kill are trying to take the freedom away from everyone else.

Therefore you shouldn't want to stop the terrorists since they are really the good guys but object to the people they are killing.

And our students are being taught this every day from kindergarten through the final year of college. And anyone who disagrees is wrong and a cause of the problem as well, including their parents.

Virginia Lady
I agree. Going back to school and challenging the Marxist professors is not only enlightening to the students but fun. But you have to know the real truth first. And you must accept that many of those students are NOT going to believe what you say since they have been told the "real" truth since they were small while you are just in once class.

45caliber
Thanks for your input. As I was reading about the volunteer slavery, it occurred to me that many well-meaning dems voted for this fool believing they are doing the right thing for their grandkids not even dreaming they will be the new slaves. People I knew all my life whom I am sure would not vote for this man were voting for medical coverage that would no longer be available through employers. It's rich the way they thought GWB was the purveyor of fear. Pray the Pied Piper breaks his leg before it's too late for us all.

White washing Communism
I just graduated from a major university (UCONN)and in one class had to write favorable things about Castro as a man, about how wonderful he was and charismatic how the Cubans loved his Machismo.

In this we managed to ignore the crimes he's committed against his people or the brutal style of his rule. We then learned that corporatism was capitalism and it's our fault that the governments in the third world are screwed up and it's also the fault of Milton Friedman.

Virginia Lady
The real key is in your second statement. Make sure your kids know the truth before they go. I did and I'm proud of how my kids handled it. They were willing to challenge the teachers themselves and their peers, the students, then listened.

One of my sons was in a class where the idea of gun control was brought up. Even the liberal teacher was astonished at one girl who insisted that if guns were illegal, no criminal would have them. "They wouldn't break the law if the guns were illegal." "But the definition of a criminal is someone who breaks the law." "But they wouldn't break that one!"

Some people are so indoctrinated that it is impossible to get through to them.

One of Clinton's Goals 2000 educational program was to start teaching kids at age 2. Since most basic beliefs of right and wrong are established by age 5, he wanted to let the school system establish those ideas rather than the parents. I was glad to help here in Texas to stop the schools from teaching it.

Yes they Live Among Us .
What Rabbi Dennis Prager tells us about on his recent trip is not unusual sadly .
In the last 2 years I often go to the Apple Store where I take class's , buy products and chat (debate ) with the many young College ' Genius's ' they are called there . (only on computers I might ad ) . In reality # 101 , historic knowledge and Common sense .
F minus and I am being kind .
Politics' is the order of the day there .. Everyone of them supported Obama and Obama T Shirts were everywhere .
When I ask them what ''Change " ? They said it does not matter we believe in him . I said why ? We just do that is reason enough ?
I said he is a racial Socialist and has Marxist leaning ..... They all said ""So What "" ? I was blow away .
Not one of them when I brought Racial Islam , Racial Socialism , Communism or even Marxism all said it was no big deal ?
They all said go To our Bible . Move on ,org , The Huffington Post and The Daily Kos .
Millions of Young people on those sights ''agree' with us here at Apple . Plus they all hate Capitalism .
I said you'll Love Apple and Apple is one of the biggest high profit and Capitalist based Cos in the World . They looked like Zombies and no one said a word ? They said ""at least "Apple does not price Gouge the Public like Big Oil .
I told them Apple last year made 23.79 % in Profits ... Microsoft 33.74 % and Google made a awesome {512 % } in profits and Exxon Mobil made 8.097174 % in Profits a third of Apples profits . The still looked like Zombies .
Sure enough . I went on all three web sights ..... All Three web sights saw America and Capitalism as the world problems and we were a Imperialist bulling the world country .
Yes they live among us ''sadly " .

Quix
Can you imagine someone with a college education and claiming to be a lawyer,being as stupid as LL?

Peggy,
Thanks for your comments. Too many people don't even realize they are slaves. Even back before the Civil War, most of the people called slaves preferred it - or they would have either run away or killed their masters. Instead they were friends with them and liked being taken care of. Sure they had to work but they didn't have to worry about where to get food or clothing or a roof or medical care ...

Sort of reminds you of a lot of similar people now, doesn't it?

The MTV Generation
I like to label people like this as the MTV Generation. I have 2 sister-in-laws that are a part of this generation, where they believe nothing but what is on MSNBC and what P Diddy and the rest of the celebs say. They claim that they are intelligent but are really just children that want to fit in. Intelligent people do not view the garbage on MTV or any other reality shows. If you want a real reality show, turn on Fox News, thats a reality show.

Clueless Co-Ed Cretin
The Combination of a High Powered Education (rolls eyes) and a Low Powered Brain will get this trollop fitted with a burka before she is 30.

Michael
Exactly what I mean about shades of gray. "Castro was a great man. We just don't look at him that way here in the U.S. but we should. He did so much for his people."

I'd like the see the teacher who insisted your class do this live in Cuba for a year or two. I think they would change their minds after they spent a few months in jail for trying to do things their way instead of Castro's way.

Georgetwin
Good comment. I agree. But she would never believe you now.

Communism is not evil
I'm a little disappointed in Mr. Prager's lack of precision in equating communism, an economic system, with totalitarianism, a form of government. A communist or socialist economic system can exist without an authoritarian form of government - see most of western Europe today.

Communism is stupid; totalitarianism, including jihadism, is evil.

Nate
"The way it was represented in my civics or econ classes was as a good theory that hadn't yet been applied correctly."

Obviously, this is the belief of anyone sympathetic to such ideas. Whether it's correct or not is a matter that can determined by research and reason, but to conflate liberals with real evil just because the purveyors of such evil used leftist propaganda to attain power is both stupid and destructive.

And on a side note, I wonder what Dennis--who is a generally decent and thoughtful man--thinks about the cretins that make up his fanbase. Reading through the comments, here, I see a lot of rank stupidity and really mean-spirited comments in support of him.


???
"I like to label people like this as the MTV Generation. I have 2 sister-in-laws that are a part of this generation, where they believe nothing but what is on MSNBC and what P Diddy and the rest of the celebs say. They claim that they are intelligent but are really just children that want to fit in. Intelligent people do not view the garbage on MTV or any other reality shows. If you want a real reality show, turn on Fox News, thats a reality show."

Or better yet, instead of abandoning one form of mindless indoctrination in favor of another, equally simplistic one, people should read the best representation of all forms of thought and then make up their own minds.

To Mr. Difar
"if they were engaged in the same sort of activity in ANY of the communist countries, that they and their families would probably be executed in the most cruel manner."

Fortunately for them, their very 'agility of mind' when it comes to ignoring inconvenient facts, allows them to adapt when the going gets tough enough. In a Communist society, these folks would adapt by teaching the wonders of socialist institutions. In Nazi Germany, they'd have taught the glories of National Socialism. If it ever came down to it, they'd manage to rationalize being forced to wear the hijab (it's fashionable!) and bow five times a day (gives time for silent reflection!). Because any individual who will ignore salient facts in order to avoid running afoul of the politically correct, will IMMEDIATELY go along when the gun is put to their heads on more important matters. After all, they *already* lack principle.

These are the folks who like to claim the mantle of being 'defenders of democracy' by 'telling truth to power', but when it hits the fan, they are actually weak reeds of the sort described in Isaiah 36:6.

Great article
This is exactly right. College kids these days are being taught in opposites. Up is down, left is right, evil is good, good is evil.

That's why:
1) they are sympathetic towards terrorists.
2) they want GITMO closed.
3) they want to give terrorists US Citizen rights.
4) they hated Bush.
5) they hate America
6) they fight against capital punishment.
7) they fight for abortion.
8) they hate capitalism and free enterprise.
9) they love Castro.

It's all what they've been taught by our taxpayer subsidized colleges and universities. I say shut em all down, no more tax money to colleges at all.

Really?
"Fortunately for them, their very 'agility of mind' when it comes to ignoring inconvenient facts, allows them to adapt when the going gets tough enough. In a Communist society, these folks would adapt by teaching the wonders of socialist institutions. In Nazi Germany, they'd have taught the glories of National Socialism. If it ever came down to it, they'd manage to rationalize being forced to wear the hijab (it's fashionable!) and bow five times a day (gives time for silent reflection!)."

So you're saying people most critical of our gov't for its insufficient freedoms would suddenly become sheep if they had an even worse gov't, and blind defenders of status quo now would somehow find the courage to question a totalitarian state? Interesting.

HouTex
The trouble is that under Communism it is very easy for someone like Stalin to come to power. Just as bad, even in Europe, a small group of people are telling the rest what to do and making the decisions for all. That, to me, is just as much slavery as it was here before the Civil War. At least in our country under capitalism we have a change to make many of our own decisions. Try going to Europe and opening a small business. You will be surprised at the difference.

I prefer to work where I wish, do the work I want to do, marry whom I please, live in the house I want (can afford at least), drive a car of my own, and have children as I want to - unlike places like Russia, China, etc. Communism, because of it's ease and requirements of a few telling the rest what to do (an oligarchy) is not JUST an economic system except in theory - in actual existence it isn't. And until you live under it you won't know the difference because the "elites" don't want you to know.

Isaiah
You said: "Or better yet, instead of abandoning one form of mindless indoctrination in favor of another, equally simplistic one, people should read the best representation of all forms of thought and then make up their own minds."

True. BUT ... that is so hard to do!! It is much easier to just listen to some expert and do (believe) what he says. A typical picture of a slave. That's what Jim Jones had before he distributed the kool aid.

Phylo, You're delusional.
You need help. There are places where you can get it near you, I'm sure. But keep in mind many of those offering help have the same problem you do.

Please stop.

Hey, Dennis... please do us conservatives a huge favor.

Stop writing incomplete commentaries!

Then tell your colleagues.

Then carefully read Virginia Lady's 8:39 AM post. I hope her truly profound lesson is not lost on you.

Because nothing of any real consequence will ever happen... until we actually start fighting back.

And who knows, we might actually accomplish something worthwhile... like saving America.

Words, by themselves... are CHEAP.


45 caliber
I'm used to responses like that from people on this website––nothing but moronic ranting. You should form a club with GunnyG and Anne.

Prager's thought process is odd
It is hard to see where Prager is getting his understanding of what the women believed other than his need to believe odd things about people who disagree with him.

He seems to think that she does not think communism was a bad thing because she compares it to terrorism. That is odd, most people think that terrorism is a bad thing. So why does he think she doesn't believe that terrorism is a bad thing? Because she compares it to communism.

It does seem plausible that she thinks that the right is using the threat of terrorism as a bogeyman to do objectionable things as they used the threat of communism to do objectionable things. But that communism did bad things is not particularly an answer to that. Communism never had any serious appeal in the US. (It had some support on the far left because until the democrats did an about face on civil rights in the '60s american communists were better on race than either of the major parties. But even their advantage on race never made the party a significant factor in this country because we never like the communism part).

But Prager does not address the actual argument that the right used the threat of communism as a bogeyman to do objectionable things domestically. None of his arguments actually show an understanding of what the people he disagrees with thinks.

But no doubt he is happier patting himself on the back for his victory over a straw man.

Communism
The liberals of today don't understand. I'm a baby boomer. I remember a statement long ago that communism would destroy the United States from within. Fortunately, we had Ronald Reagan and he put an end to that. Al Quaeda and their ilk (including Ahmadenejad (sp))are systematically destroying this Country from within. To think that the "Idiot President" is going to sit down with Ahmadenejad with no preconditions and "chat" makes my blood run cold. Obama makes me sick.

To Isaiah
"but to conflate liberals with real evil just because the purveyors of such evil used leftist propaganda to attain power is both stupid and destructive"

Hmmm. I reckon I agree. Excusing and even encouraging murderers is not the same as committing the murders.

It DOES carry some culpability, though. Many American liberals were doing their utmost in the 1930's to hide, excuse, and misrepresent what Stalin was doing. The primary effect of their efforts was to materially aid him in his crimes. The same is true of Castro in recent decades -- the much-heralded film 'Sicko' was excellent pro-Castro propaganda.

No, American liberals cannot be absolved of ALL responsibility when they eagerly line up to be 'useful idiots'. Even though they are not the ones pulling the triggers.

It is so appropriate
that this Phylo creature is from Minnesota.

Dennis, the stupidity of young mainstream college students is amazing. It is as bad or worse than you describe.

My three sons are in college and it is unbelievable how uninformed, angry, stupid and ridiculous some of the publicly schooled students are from the comments my sons hear from these people. They are truly brainwashed, completely self absorbed and fearful.

Conservatives! homeschool your children, because it is an almost sure proof way to rear better educated and decent human beings!

Prayer for the likes of Phylo is the only hope.

Phlyo
It's weird isn't it? You presented your views in a very unoffensive way, and, heck, you really didn't even indicate that strong of a disagreement with Dennis, but you get a personal attack in response. Listening to Dennis, I hear that only the Left resorts to that kind of thing.

It's very clear to me that Dennis does not read the comments section here.

To Tallil2long
I understand what you're saying, and I agree to some extent. The failure of some liberals 40 years ago to identify the problems with ostensibly leftist regimes is to their shame, but doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the modern left.

Remember that some of the earliest, clearest and most effective critiques of the evils we're discussing came from the left (Orwell, Emma Goldman, etc.).

To 45caliber
"I think every student should be required to spend one year helping the people in places like Congo, SE Asia, etc. to be forced to witness just what does occur when there is no freedom"

Many of the most rabid opponents of invading Iraq proved, upon getting to know them, to be utterly without experience with the larger world, utterly without understanding of just how bad the Ba'ath regime could have been for the majority in that nation. Yet how quick they were to claim that things weren't that bad, that we shouldn't have toppled Saddam.

It never ceases to amaze me how these kids who have never been outside the U.S. -- except maybe for Paris or Cozumel -- think they have infallible understanding of every nation and people on the globe.

Each and every one of them knows exactly what is best for Iraq or Afghanistan... I have spent years in those nations and would never claim to KNOW the best thing to do! I have convictions on the matter, sure, but one of the main things I learned is just how much I still don't know. And the stuff you don't know can be critical. But these kids are dogmatic: they don't need knowledge or experience or understanding, they are True Believers.

They have their adolescent omniscience complex reinforced by those same professors who should be helping them mature out of it, and lo!, the result is a horde of 22 year old foreign policy experts!

I see Dennis' detractors.....
...are coming up with their usual sophomoric retorts so common among maladapted adolescents such as attacking him pesonally without responding to his article, and gross misuse of analogy.

Then there is the playground response from one kid who complains that those who criticize them are "mean".

Golly!

To this punk I say, "you ain't seen 'mean' in your life, boy, until you've witnessed the work of communists, or an 8th-Century-living towel-headed tribesman".

Then again, just head to any ghetto, er, excuse me, "urban area", in any major city to experience "mean".




Who's to blame?
Our country's Peter Pans, the college and university instructors, live an insulated life where they're actually paid to distort reality, and just never grow up. And what happens when you say the word "no" to these maladpated adult-children? Guess.

Our public education system is what our state and federal legislators want, and it is supported at election time by a majority of voters.

Who's more stupid, the students or the voters?

I went to UCSB
and am sad to say that this girl is par for the campus. Most of the students are to busy getting drunk in Isla Vista (the community next to campus) to do any real thinking of their own. ... maybe the alcohol will keep them from remembering too much of the Marxist drivel being spewed from the professors...
One can only hope.

Lon at 10:08 am
Your post was hilarious!

You have way too much time on your hands.

To Isaiah
"but doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the modern left. "

If many within the modern left are making light of the terrorist threat in order to concentrate on their domestic political opponents, then it certainly has EVERYTHING to do with the modern left.

If the modern left was making light of the evils of the Ba'ath regime in Iraq in order to argue for lifting the trade sanctions prior to 2003 (which quite a few were doing) and thus help him get his military back on its feet, it has EVERYTHING to do with the modern left.

If many within the modern left argue that Israel should tear down the Wall and border barricades, hand over all occupied territory, and let the Palestinian Arabs resume without hindrance the attempt at ethnic cleansing that they embarked upon in 1948, then it has EVERYTHING to do with the modern left.

If many within the modern left are ignoring the very serious human rights violations and oppressive practices of Castro's Cuba and thus deflecting criticism away from his regime, then it has EVERYTHING to do with the modern left.

If many within the modern left wear their chic little Che Guevera t-shirts, attempting to make him a hero and thus legitimize his methods, then it has EVERYTHING to do with the modern left.

I'll let these few examples suffice.

Here we go again....
"Lon at 10:08 am
Your post was hilarious!

You have way too much time on your hands."

Another classic example of a thoughtful post being given a juvenile response. To the intelligent Dennis supports out there: Does this kind of thing embarrass you?

Modern Left
"If many within the modern left are making light of the terrorist threat in order to concentrate on their domestic political opponents, then it certainly has EVERYTHING to do with the modern left.

If the modern left was making light of the evils of the Ba'ath regime in Iraq in order to argue for lifting the trade sanctions prior to 2003 (which quite a few were doing) and thus help him get his military back on its feet, it has EVERYTHING to do with the modern left."

No time to address all of this. But the calls for a lifting of sanctions on Iraq had nothing to do with making light of the evils the regime and everything to do with a desire not to exacerbate those evils. The party was getting its needs met, but the population wasn't. How does hurting innocent civilians help the (noble) effort to topple the regime? The dispute wasn't whether Saddam was good for Iraq (obviously he was not), but over whether the means we were using to fight him were effective. Like so many political debates, it was really a matter of strategy rather than ideology.

And do you really think the War on Terror has been conducted in the best possible way? Or that fashion trends among fringe college students matter at all?

I agree
with Virginia Lady's post but you must take a couple of more steps.

Start by being a parent and not rely on what is being taught in schools. If your kid comes home a space alien it is because you acceded your parental rights and authority. You should always be the most important teacher in your child's life. Sometimes that means you have to put some extra effort and do some homework yourself.

Next teach your children to have the courage of their convictions. Raise warriors. I warn you though this is not for the weak, whether the parent or the child is weak. You will be challenged, and retribution will be sought. With effort though, you can win.

The future is going to need warriors. Today's college students are the next greatest generation. Will they be up to the task?

One would think
Most of the posts and the article itself would lead one to believe that the only courses taught in universities are 20th century history and possibly philosophy.

The stark reality is that most university students are not bombarded with messages of communist indoctrination, even though those messages exist in varying degrees.

How is it possible to discount the huge majority of students who are studying to become engineers, computer programmers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, business majors, accountants, etc.?

Does anyone really believe a student enters their physics class and is bombarded with denials of Soviet and Chinese genocide?

Someone suggested that it would be a good idea to stop donating to an alma mater as a protest "against our indoctrination center universities."

I believe one can donate to any segment of a university if they desire. Perhaps directing donations to the university's medical, technological, computer or science programs would make more sense than allowing Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indian and European students to accelerate past our students due to their committment to these subjects.

Party like its 1984
Reading this reminds me of a line from the book 1984 that goes “Those who control the past, controls the future. Those who controls the present, controls the past.” I would like to add my own saying that those who controls the media, controls the truth.

Tallil2long
I agree. I had a professor once tell the class that Americans are stupid when it comes to other countries and politicians are the worst.

He gave an example. If you didn't have enough food in your house, due to a famine, to feed everyone, who would get the food? The elderly? The adults? The kids? The baby?

In the U.S. it would almost always be the youngest first. But in countries that have famine frequently (Africa) it is the young adults who get it. They know that sooner or later the famine will go away (unless it is government created of course). So they try to insure that they have the basis for a new generation ready to have more kids.

Watch TV the next time they show a famine. There are no elderly (they go first since they can't have kids and seldom can handle a hard job to support a family). The next to go are the youngest. The adults will be thin (and certainly care for their children) but are basically healthy.

The problem is that Americans assume others will do the same thing they would do in similar circumstances. They never try to find out what the others would actually do. So we constantly screw up when dealing with others. Our young people are simply following tradition here.

I would'nt worry about it.....
The "MTV generation" will reap what it sows....If ignorance is their forte' and choice in life, then they won't see the proverbial hammer (or sickle) that's coming down on them.

let it be written, let it be so....

Some of the liberals here
remind me of the guy caught in bed by his wife with another woman.

"Are you going to believe your own eyes or what I tell you to believe?"

So if communism didn't kill millions what did? I would like an explanation to that one. Next someone is going to tell me those gulags were just vacation resorts.

Phylo
At least if I formed a club with Gunnie and Anne, I would be in a club with intelligent people.

Pancho
"Does anyone really believe a student enters their physics class and is bombarded with denials of Soviet and Chinese genocide?"

Yes Pancho, just ask my daughter the college student what she heard in her chemistry class from her professor.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Students I expect it from, but
I have relatives who are over 50 who don't think there is any threat from socialism or communism or terrorism either. They voted for Obama because he would keep their boys from going to Iraq or Afghanistan. Well that certainly turned out to be a great idea. I had a professor tell me that Castro was the George Washington of Cuba, in the 1970's when he had been the communist leader of poverty stricken country for a long time. Is that what George Washington did? Give me a break. You have to do what I did, I stood up immediately and challenged him and we returned to the lesson plan. We need more students with spines.

???
"I have relatives who are over 50 who don't think there is any threat from socialism or communism or terrorism either."

Wait, what? Are you saying that you think that socialism is currently a threat to America? Or communism for that matter?

Nothing has changed except in your mind
"Left and right don't mean the same things as they did when Prager studied them in college. When he thinks of the left he has an image of hippies and Stalin in his head. Barack Obama is the face of the left today. He's not a hippie, nor is he a communist. He's not even a leftist. He's a post-ideological pragmatist. You'd better get used to it, or you're going to be irrelevant, Prager."

The over-generalization in this statement is telling. I believe that ‘left’ and ‘right’ still mean the same things as when we were in the ‘Vietnam’ era. It is to the progressives advantage to deny that fact. I have lived through both and the parallels are astounding. The truth reveals that ‘progressives’ are not progressing except to embrace yet another denial routine to avoid the pressing issues and to put in their own brand of government. Dennis is right on the money. No matter what political labels you choose to use to gloss over the truth, it keeps coning through the faux paint to those who can see clearly.

pick and choose
my mother survived the Ukranian famine...

and I was horrified when I went to school that

the only "holocaust" in our history books was the Jewish one...

and that the only movie about the Ukrainian holocaust has never made it to the big screen or tv...

but as I speak there is a movie on the Sundance channel right now title HAMMER & TICKLE that gives a true picture of the horrors that took place during the communist regimes in Russia, the Ukraine & other satellite countries.

that my parents' enslavement prior/during WW11
was obscured..

and when my husband's Albanian family came to the U.S., he challenged his teachers & professors on what they taught in class.

I also did not learn about the horrors committed upon Native Americans until later in life (there was a mere mention when I was in school but it was written in such a way that it didn't "bother" me).

someone is deciding what we need to learn & to know...

and it ain't always true or complete facts...

what's even sorrier is that when I mention some historical "FACTS" to people, they look at me as though I'm on drugs, or as if I may have an agenda of my own.

Unfortunately, alot of people grew up watching tv and listening and believing programs/ads that spew all kinds of nonsense...

it has totally destroyed their ability to think for themselves

and to make independent judgements.









and we had no idea

I doubt, therefore I believe ANYTHING!
The problem is POST MODERNISM- the idea there is NO truth except the truth I have preordained in my head- usually implanted by some overeducated, non-experienced ivory tower intellectual. By intellectual I mean it in purely oxymoronic terms. Case in point: a moronic actor who is very talented "Sean Penn" who has lived a self indulgent life of being told how wonderful he is and hasn't actually lived a life- leading to be led around by the nose by Tin pot dictators of the communist ilk who teach him all he needs to know about what is evil and what isn't. It is these pampered self indulgent moronic little lives whose hands are soft and brains are softer who have become our consciences. It is pathetic and sad. I grew up lower middle class and have had to work for whatever I ever had and all the liberal professors I ever sat under were the biggist liars I ever encountered. The world was EXACTLY the opposite of what they stated it was. I read Solzhenhitsyn and Sharansky and Armando Valladeres and others to find out what "foot on the ground" people knew about communism. I was aboard ship at the end of Vietnam and we picked up boat people fleeing Communist overrun South Vietnam and I heard first hand what the communists were like. You can take all your educated soft handed and soft headed morons and learn zilch about reality. Unfortunately we live in a world of young impressionable youth being indoctrinated by absolute moral idiots who would run behind mommies skirt at the first bullet or bomb coming near them. Screw the far left-they are cowards, liars and fakes.

Truth as far as it goes...
MORE of the truth is that no "modern" student is taught much of anything about TRUE history!
History has been altered for convenience, spin, or proof-making until they are never exposed to REAL history of any kind at all...
I have collected high school history books for about 30 years--the differences are truly amazing!
Do any of you remember having the TIME covers posted and being tested on whether we could recognize the World Leaders pictured there? Do any of you remember having to memorize the Gettysburg Address and being tested on what it MEANT in relation to the times it was given in?
We KNEW history and history-in-the-making back 40 or 50 years ago. The "modern" youngster can be excused for not knowing what we know--because they are NEVER exposed to it. The FEW that ever research and learn the truth--usually are shouted down for their "heresay"
They can be excused--but not forgiven. A true Patriot would read and study the Constitution and apply it to what's been happening for 100 years in this country...And try to stop the downward slide.

Pancho:
Every college in the U.S. has courses that you must take regardless of what you may be taking to be able to graduate there. Generally they are not enterchangable with other colleges for if you go somewhere else they will seldom transfer. And many of those course are of Marxist background. So - Yes, even engineering students (I was one) are required to take Marxist courses. I had a communist teacher in Philosophy, a course I was required to take even though it didn't do a thing to help my engineering.

I did enjoy it though, as I love to take either side in a good argument. (Incidently, the teacher was fired at the end of the semester since it was legal to fire communists then. Too bad it isn't now.)

Isaiah
Aren't you the cerebral one! Well, at least you're faking it enough to fool your fellow maladapted lefty kids posting here today.

I see that you have yet to develop the critical thinking skills necessary for discriminating between sophomoric grandstanding, and fact-based retorts. The mental masturbation that your homie "Lon" engages in is a prime example. And I'd stay away from that Phylo character if I were you. There isn't a known cure for his mental illness, and it's contagious.

Now go out and play some "bassetball", or really have some fun and invent a new urban government conspiracy fantasy like "the feds blew up the New Orleans levies" or that "the government has laced the ink on food stamps to cause sickle cell anemia". Adults are talking here.

A Jewish Heritage
The things we, as conservatives and as Christians, value about this nation are because of our Jewish heritage. We, as Christians, believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We believe that what we call the Old Testament is His Word. We believe in His standards for a nation and for us as individuals.

Where we differ from those who still practice the Jewish faith is that we believe that Jesus was, and is, the Jewish Messiah, promised to Adam and Eve, promised to Moses in Deut 18:15. As Christians we believe that the land of Israel was promised by God to the Jewish people. We believe that Jesus was right when he forecast the destruction of Jerusalem and when He said that Jerusalem would be trodden down by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles was over. One of the things that thrills me most is the number of Messianic Jews since 1948 who are coming to see Jesus as their Messiah without losing their Jewishness. And according to Romans 11 that means blessing for the whole world.

Terrorism is an effort by the Left in an Unholy Alliance (David Horowitz) with Islam to destroy the Jewish people and to prevent this blessing - to the Jews and through them to the world as a whole.

Why? Because to be a leftist is to be anti-God, or as Ann Coulter would say: "Godless". And if you know anything at all about the history of Islam, you know that it is an anti-God, violent religion that from the beginning has wrought death, destruction, and slavery where ever it has manifested itself. My personal opinion is that Allah is another name for the 'Prince of Persia' as revealed in Daniel.

Arthur Katz wrote in 'Ben Israel' that no true Christian has ever persecuted a Jew. And if you understand that the Jewish people are 'The apple of God's eye', and that the land belongs to them there's no way a true Christian ever would. Read Brigitte Gabriel's book 'Because They Hate' to get a better idea of what's truly happening in the Middle East.

ha
I agree with you. The trouble is that the schools want to sanitize history - and I think that goes back to the government itself.

Every time I hear a politicians say "Look to the future!" I wonder just what it was that he did that he doesn't want you to know about.

You must study history - all of it - to know what things you should NOT do if you don't want to see the same problems again.

Nothing in my opinion is worse that some "intellectual elite" who wants to try out a new theory on the people. "It's for the greater good ..." has always been a phrase that makes me cringe. Basically what they are saying is that it is okay to bankrupt people, starve people, murder people, as long as it isn't them. The "greater good" is what it is to them - not everyone else.

This gets weirder by the minute
"Now go out and play some "bassetball", or really have some fun and invent a new urban government conspiracy fantasy like "the feds blew up the New Orleans levies" or that "the government has laced the ink on food stamps to cause sickle cell anemia". Adults are talking here."

LOL! Good stuff. Your lack of self-awareness is truly astounding. Congratulations.

Lolo1
Actually, "denial" is the most primitive psychological defense against mental breakdown and it's used by the most unstable in our midst.

When there is no logical explanation for one's defense of the indefensible, the undeveloped brain simply (empasis on "simply") blocks out any input that will destabilize the disturbed person's illusions of reality.

Early trauma to include family instability, or the presence of (incurable) personality disorders commonly use denial to prop up fragile illusions of personal stability and reasoning. See also "liberal".

Something else for the pro
I just realized that you're a racist, and you seem to think I'm black (making fun of "my" accent and assumed love of basketball)! That's delicious! If I didn't know better, I'd think that you're a leftist troll trying to make conservatives look bad.

Lynne:
I know what you mean. I have more history books that any of the local libraries, including the high school and local college. And I've read most of them. My hobby is finding out what REALLY happened instead of what they tell you happened. The differneces can sometimes be amazing. Yet what really happened can lead us today into making correct life decisions - except the leaders today don't want YOU to make decisions - they want to do it for you. And you shouldn't be familiar enough with history to know they are screwing things up AGAIN.

Just take the Holocaust itself. They talk about the Jews being killed - but how many others were also killed? Far more than the Jews! I don't want to seem to trivialize the Jews, though. All suffered. But now some "leaders" are trying to insist we shouldn't even mention it for fear that we might "traumatize" our youth. I'm of the opinion more of them need to be traumatized if that is what it takes to insure it never happens again.

Isaiah
How am I unaware? Please let me know. I'm ready to be entertained, homie! Lay it on me!

Pro
For one thing, you call my fact-based argumentation childish in a post in which you take to petulant whining, taunts, and offensive accent jokes. Buy a mirror.

But look, I just popped in here because I've been listening to Dennis' show lately. I see now that this site is populated mostly by uneducated, anti-intellectual fools (with a couple of exceptions, like Tallil2long) so I'll not waste any more time here.

Isaiah
Don't waste your time on the brainwashed.

Maggie
It is true that the baby boom generation grew up with people telling them that communism was a threat to destroy the country from within. But the problem is that it simply wasn't true.

Communism was a murderous governmental system where it existed as communism. (Obviously the socialism of scandinavia is a different issue). And communism represented a threat from without. (Although in the third world some of the wars fought in the name of communism were really locak tribal wars with each side just grabbing on to the most generous sponsor it could find).

But there was never a serious communist threat from within. Communism never had the support of more than 3% of the country. Communists did not enact laws or executive orders. They did not affect our institutions (and as noted above on issues like race they would have done so in the direction of improvement).

This is the problem with Prager's article as well. He also misses that the fact that Communism was our enemy externally does not mean that it was a serious internal threat as well. It is possible to be both, but it happened that communism never had any serious internal appeal. That speaks well of us as Americans. I am not sure why conservatives feel the need to maintain that we were more enamored as a country with communism than we actually were. It suggests a real lack of seriousness about addressing the actual threats to the country.

Platform for sneering sarcasm
Reading all of the sneeringly sarcastic comments attached to this article would be enough to make me want to stop publishing columns. What is it about people that they feel the need to treat with such gross disrespect those with whom they disagree?

Domestic terrorism
Communism was the enemy of the cold war era, liberals ran to it. Today liberals from PETA, ACLU, NAACP, LULAC, ACORN, GLAD, and other so called sivil rights groups use domestic terrorism to show their hatred, bigotry, and prejudice.

Please don't leave, Isaiah!
You are entertaining to some extent.

What you and your liberal kid friends willfully fail to understand is that your "logic" is just 60's retread, "do a doobie and defy the man" campus pretend-adult intellectual laziness.

You and your kind are are basically just pseudo-adult kids who fear life. Look up the philosphical construct, "existential angst", and have someone explain it to you.

As long as you resist maturity, you'll not win over any adult support for your fantasies.

Did anyone read....
...about the lead actor in the movie "Che", del Toro something or other, dedicated his recent award to the mass murderer/coward he played in the film?

This follows with the theme of Dennis' article.

Edna Eagle
Tell me "in a hurry" is exactly how long? Sweden and the other Socialist Democracies have been that way for 60 years. Japan about as long. Taiwan could be considered socialist as well--especially before the reforms that shed many of the SOEs starting in the 1990s.

Marx felt that socialism was a intermediate step between capitalism and communism. It has never worked out that way. Tell me a socialist democracy that has ever transformed to communism and the answer is: zero.


UCSB--Go Gauchos
She is right in a way. The war on terror just as the Red Scares in the past (post WWI, Post WWII), the war on drugs, etc. have been used as a tool to increase government control and the government's ability to keep tabs on us all--a form of creeping tyranny that under normal conditions the people would scream blood murder, but the government tells them--it is to keep you safe, and to keep you from being hurt by the bad evil terrorists and then it is fine. Who cares if the government uses the tools for other purposes and you know the quote from Franklin about trading security for liberty.


45Cal
Please tell us these required Marxist courses.

Let's see at my college: I had to have a course on the US Constitution (either US histoy before 1877 or after would do it). Three Social Science classes, Three math classes, two foreign language or foreign culture classes, three English classes, two science classes, two art classes and one class on the history of the state. The rest were electives and your major.

Basically at the undergrad level everything will transfer up to a given point (limits on how many courses will transfer) as long as you have a C in the course. No Marxist classes that won't transfer in my experience.

To 45caliber
"The problem is that Americans assume others will do the same thing they would do in similar circumstances."

Indeed. I have found that many liberal/progressives assume that everyone in the world is basically just like them, or wants to be, and thus would respond to stimuli just like they themselves would.

The assurances that the situation in Israel/Palestine would get much better if only the Israelis gave up Gaza, is a case in point. After all, the liberal/progressives reasoned, they themselves would welcome and honor such a gesture, so surely the Palestinian Arabs would, too. They were wrong, of course -- the Palestinian Arabs only assumed that giving up Gaza proved Israeli weakness, and redoubled their attacks. Yet we don't hear anybody admitting, "Okay, I was wrong". Instead they simply raise the bar and say that ALL occupied land has to be given up in order for ANY improvement in relations to be realized.

This habit displayed by many liberal/progressives is not merely a sign of ignorance, it is a sign of the most amazing arrogance. Many of them make excuses for incredibly violent acts by 'preferred' groups worldwide simply because making excuses relieves them of the necessity of reconsidering their assumptions that everybody is really just like them.

Gets My Goat
What really gets my goat is that so many of these liberals that may favor socialism or communism talk out of both sides of their mouths.

They would be perfectly willing to see us peons suffer the loss of our freedoms under capitalism but would scream bloody murder if they underwent the same inconvenience.

I work with a man who can only be called a knee jerk liberal. He has told me that capitalism does not work. This while clutching his $500.00 personal computer/phone. I forget what kind it is. Of course his "terrible" capitalistic job helped him earn and save the money to buy this and other "toys". I wonder what he would say if I told him the American economy just went hard socialist and his salary was being cut in half.

Of course his kind of elites would seek to be exempt under such a system. Only us lowlife middle class workers would be subject. Oh, the hypocracy of liberals.

Once Again, Dickens Rules
At the conclusion of A Christmas Carol, Dickens effectively claims that ignorance is the real threat. One can see it here on a daily basis. For example, 45 cal makes a rather sweeping generalization regarding the nature of college requirements and transferability of credits.

His claims are almost completely wrong, yet none on the right bother to challenge the obvious error. Likewise, Patrick suggests the ACLU, NAACP, et al are involved in domestic terrorism, yet no one on the right challenges the obvious ignorance of such a claim.

The following statement could be accurately directed at the most animated posters of both the right and left:"Don't be such an ignorant dweeb". One can usually identify those folks who are not basing their claims on ignorance, because they are chastized by both the right and the left.




Jax33 @ 9:25am wrote
"Quix
Can you imagine someone with a college education and claiming to be a lawyer,being as stupid as LL? "

I've been in academia for 21 of the past 23 years and I can affirm that yes, there are a lot of very booksmart people who subscribe to extremely stupid beliefs, which is why I am working hard to join the private sector in the next year or so.

Jim

Tail
Ignorance and enlightenment all in one post. You are correct in one thing. People often make the error of assuming other folks will act and think in a particular way under certain conditions.

Yet, it's a grievous error to think this is something inimical to the left. It is a human condition and the right is as subject to it as anyone else. The Bush administration basically failed entirely to grasp the reality on the ground in Iraq, i.e. that a free people might choose to live under Islamic law.



To Isaiah pt 1
"So you're saying people most critical of our gov't for its insufficient freedoms would suddenly become sheep if they had an even worse gov't, and blind defenders of status quo now would somehow find the courage to question a totalitarian state? Interesting."

First, you are assuming that the sort of folks under discussion are 'most' of the people critical of our government. This is an elitist view which ignores the many millions of ordinary Americans who express displeasure at the government, in order to focus excessively on a much smaller, elite group.

Second, yes, I am convinced that, faced with real threats, most of the group under discussion WOULD say whatever was needful for them to avoid potential unpleasantness. I made no claim at all that any particular group would suddenly have the courage to question a totalitarian state.

"But the calls for a lifting of sanctions on Iraq had nothing to do with making light of the evils the regime...The party was getting its needs met, but the population wasn't."

Thanks, you have made my point. The regime in Iraq, so nobly defended by certain folks here at home, was oppressive and autocratic enough that it could apply whatever small amounts of money or aid that was available to bolster its own power rather than being compelled to give it to the people. Such a regime would only manage to seize *vastly* more resources for its military programs from the civilian sector if trade restrictions were loosened. Thus, due to the nature of the regime, the ONLY way to take it down was the military method. But well-meaning liberal/progressives, arguing as you argued, fervently tried to get Saddam the regime-bolstering assistance he wanted by removing the trade sanctions.

The liberals won.....
...big time in the last election to include the ultra-left halfrican-american homie for prez. All arguments against the amazing igorance of today's liberals is basically moot. The inmates are now running the asylum.

Got to learn to think like a Democrat so all together now; "America bad, socialism good". And don't forget, "up is down, left is right, and truth is relative".

Whew! This is going to take some getting used to.


Prager's fantasy life
The student is correct, communism was a bogeyman in its time and terror is a bogeyman in our time.

This does not mean neither posed a danger. It does mean both are used to scare people into doing things they ought not to do.

But Prager imagines the student's words to mean whatever Prager wishes them to mean. Did he have the courage to follow up with the student and ask for detailed explanation? No, he'd rather wallow in his ideology and imagine the worst.

Red Communism was the Old Terror
The roots of the modern terrorist movement can in fact be traced to the foreign policy of the USSR, and the international Communist movement. Patrice Lulumba University actually hosted courses of study in guerrilla terror tactics for intimidating and destabilizing governments. The terror cells they planted were in fact threats throughout the US and its allies. While the USSR existed, Yassir Arafat among others reportedly accepted its aid & took its orders. The radical Islamist jihadists had no difficulty adopting that particular hideous piece of Western "infidel" culture.

Isn't it just classic Orwellian doublethink that the government & media's tolerance & friendliness toward Communist dictators can be cast as evidence Communism isn't & wasn't a threat, especially from within? Go look at the revelations following the collapse of the USSR re what was going on. The KGB files confirmed Alger Hiss was an agent, & IIRC that the Rosenbergs were guilty too.

Most young college students have been taken care of all their lives & don't have any perspective on actually working & earning their way. Marxism & socialism sounds just like the life they're used to, minus (they think) the house rules, with Big Sugar Daddy Pork Barrel Guvamint in loco parentis.

To John
"Ignorance and enlightenment all in one post... it's a grievous error to think this is something inimical to the left. It is a human condition and the right is as subject to it as anyone else. The Bush administration basically failed entirely to grasp the reality on the ground in Iraq, i.e. that a free people might choose to live under Islamic law"

Did I claim that the error did not also exist on the right? Did I claim that President Bush did not err in this respect?

But you see, those on the left often claim to be *better* than those on the right. If they want to claim that their end of the political spectrum is to be preferred, they need to admit the existence of this sort of practice and take steps to remediate it.

Folks on the right need to do the same, and some do. I have done so myself, and once or twice was labelled a 'liberal' on TH for doing so.

But you know, there aren't many mainstream conservatives that actively encourage the glorification of Hitler, while there are MANY mainstream liberals who glorify Che and others like him.


Note the portraits of Pres. Obama and Che Guevara sharing equal prominence:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/06/16/ ohio-judge-posters-che-obama-wheres-msm-outrage





SC's Don't Tread wrote @ 13:32
"While the USSR existed, Yassir Arafat among others reportedly accepted its aid & took its orders. The radical Islamist jihadists had no difficulty adopting that particular hideous piece of Western "infidel" culture."

Due to the simple reason of both Islam(ism) and communism being religions (albeit, communism does not recognise a god) intolerant towards all others--and even their own adherents, should adherents of other religions be lacking. This is why Communism took over 100 million lives in 216 years (I count its first instance as the Jacobins under Robespierre) and Islam(ism) claimed over 40 million lives between 1066 and 1966 and another 4 million from 1966 to 2009.

BTW, you ever notice the (maybe coincidental) resemblance of the hammer/scythe of communism to the crescent/star of Islam inverted?

Does one laugh or cry
over the ignorance of the American left, and the left any where. They are incapable of recognizing evil. Not only can they not recognize it, but in almost all cases what IS evil, they mistake it for good. And conversely what IS good, they mistake it for evil! Old Testament prophets, foretold of a day, where evil is good, and good is evil. Surely we are in that day. Recently, in virtually every major city in the world, there have been protest marches, against Israel, and in support of Hamas. Even here, from Florida to San Francisco, these marches have been taking place. Thousands of participants are becoming more and more bold, they chant, "you need an oven, you need a big oven"! Can anybody say that this would have been tolerated even 2 or 3 years ago. Yet now, no one even questions them, and the media doesn't report what is taking place. In the Netherlands, Geert Wilder, a member of parliament, has been arrested for producing a film, alerting his country to the dangers that Islam poses to his country. Muslims, through the UN are attempting to make it a crime to criticize Islam. And the left does not object! They are incapable of recognizing evil, and that makes them UNFIT to lead.

Donjindra
Exactly. I couldn't have said it better and I wouldn't have been as brief.

Fred:

I'd check again about moving to the Philippines. It is far more "Marxist" than the US, has a much lower standard of living and a pretty nasty group down south--i.e. the MILF It's economic freedom is ranked 104--lower than Pakistan and Yemen. And to quote from the Economic Freedom Report "The Philippines is weak in business freedom, investment freedom, property rights, and freedom from corruption." It is ranked 102 in UNHDI. It's Corruption Perception Index ranks it as 141st. It is a new NIC--with all the problems that entails--corruption, lower standard of living, less economic freedom

It does have an excellent beer--San Miguel. So you can get drunk and forget about the lack of economic freedom and the MILF, etc.


Good one DP
Had you said the young lady was from U of Santa Cruz I would have thought you’d run into my mush headed niece.

Most of these kids believe communism/pure Socialism will work it’s just never been done right,(yeah that’s it) their problem is they don’t understand what a cast system really is, that and they somehow think they wouldn’t end up in the lower levels of such a system.

svpallava
Many of those 100 million include such things as the Great Chinese Famine from 1958-1961 and a good 1/3 of these victims died from natural causes like crop failures caused by a severe drought. Were the deaths by Katrina caused by capitalism? The claim saying that the entire 20-50 million who died during the "San Nian Da Jihuang" were a result of communism is just silly.

To Isaiah pt 2
"Or that fashion trends among fringe college students matter at all?"

No, they don't matter at all. However, if one believes that, in principle, one should not laud the acts of tyrants and murderers, then that fashion trend must be regarded as an extremely disturbing one, since it shows that quite a few of our liberal/progressive brethren are QUITE comfortable with making heroes of murdering scoundrels:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/06/16/ ohio-judge-posters-che-obama-wheres-msm-outrage

(the judge from the above link was presumably a 'fringe college student'?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-scheer/the-martyring-o f-che-guev_b_67881.html

(read the comments in the above)

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/01/13/movie -review-che/

(remember the movie about Che? It received lots of plaudits from America's left)

Up until Dec 2004, the New York Public Library sold Che watches. 'Fringe college students'?

Why don't you look for English-language Che-paraphenalia outlets on the internet. Do you REALLY think so many of them exist solely to cater to a few 'fringe college students'? Are you REALLY unaware of how big 'Che chic' is on the left? Or do you just pretend not to know, lest the admission hurt your case?


Seriously, go ahead and look it up. 'Che chic' has become a BIG deal among liberal/progressives. It's gotten so big that anti-Che t-shirts have become big!

http://www.proletarianthreads.com/tshirts/t128.html

http://media.www.uncmirror.com/media/storage/paper972/news/ 2008/12/05/Editorials/Che-Guevara.Trend.Takes.Over.Modern.F ashion-3572045.shtml?refsource=collegeheadlines

http://www.nationalreview.com/nordlinger/nordlinger20050105 0715.asp

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/24/20040924-102059 -1431r/

http://www.cafepress.com/rightthings/965242





Oh and labor lawyer
When you look at yourself in the mirror to shave each morning how do you keep from slitting your own throat?

For 45calibre @ 11:06
Do the US colleges and universities have SPECIFIC "electives" which are mandatory for students (which would make it an oxymoron to use the term "elective")? I find it a little hard to comprehend, even having BSChE degree from UCalgary and Info Sci diploma from Mt. Royal College (a community college in Calgary--I made that choice over getting a BSCS from UCalgary based on the HW that was used for the courses, amongst other reasons), as even in socialist-bented Canuckistan there is usually some leeway/choice allowed on the "electives".

To donjindra
"This does not mean neither posed a danger. It does mean both are used to scare people into doing things they ought not to do... But Prager imagines the student's words to mean whatever Prager wishes them to mean."

Your argument would be more compelling if that college student hadn't ALSO claimed that the government, rather than terrorists, had destroyed the Twin Towers.

She clearly was NOT trying to point out that terrorism is a terrible thing that is nonetheless being used as a boogeyman. Rather, her words reveal that she doesn't believe terrorism to be a threat, seeing as how she believes the biggest terrorist attack in modern history wasn't *really* a terrorist attack at all, but rather a ploy staged by our own *Republican-dominated* government.

Get it yet? Mr. Prager's understanding of the student's mindset was undoubtedly correct.

Still, you gave it the old college-try!

To akagi
"have been used as a tool to increase government control and the government's ability to keep tabs on us all"

Perhaps you are correct. For instance, quite a few progressives try to use our own safety as a pretext for removing our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Mandated Oppression Studies
In response to the question about mandated electives, the short answer is yes : many colleges and universities requires that students take courses that fulfill "gender" and "race" (other words are used but these are the basic categories) requirements, which means that students are mandated to sit through innane indoctrination seminars and parrot the party line that is the essence of the curriculum. Offering an alternate viewpoint to poltical ideology passing itself off as scholarship is really out of the question because you need to study the ideology, which means that passing these requirements with any integrity requires twice the work as simply caving in and writing essays about how, because abortion has always been practiced by women (as evidenced by the small numbers of abortions in the past for which we have records) then a massive aborition industry is justifiable and represents no real break with tradition - which is historical practices.

Further, since you can't have professors who don't shoulder some of the burden of these required courses, that means that new hires will be of the ideological stripe required by courses based on left wing ideological premises.

Last, these requirements come into being thanks to the unrelenting badgering of radical professors in various undemocratic faculty forums that have usurped the public's role in shaping the mission of the university and college for which that public pays but has no say. One wonders just who decided that the public university of my state should make it mandatory for all journalism majors to take required classes in Mass Media and Society from a shrieking Castro apologist? Clearly not the property owners paying the taxes that pay the professor's salary. Thus it is mandatory to sit through Marxist indoctrination for 12 weeks in order to earn a degree that would let you practice journalism. The content of the course states that journalists are all capitalist dupes.

Pot Calling the Kettle Black
Am I the only one who noticed that the responses from those "aces of debate" on the left to Mr. Prager's comments on communism are very few and far between? - Unless of course, we mention the Labor shyster, who scoffs at Prager's "sophistry," typically ignoring his own. Not that I am surprised, mind you. Those unfinished leftist indoctrination camps products (a.k.a. college student) are as ignorant of what communism was, and is, really about as they are of practically everything else. So when people like Prager talk about the evils of communism, liberals - with the typical stubbornness of the truly ignorant and brainwashed - hysterically compare the torture, starvation, and death of millions at the hands of communists to the "victims" of McCarthyism. The "victims" by the way, were all proven soviet spies, like Alger Hiss, just to name one. But true to form, liberals defend the criminal with well-instructed passion.

And some people still ask me why I have such contempt for liberals.

Will tobacco companies STILL be evil now
Prager said, "They have no problem labeling Nazism, Fascism, George W. Bush, slavery, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, xenophobia, and tobacco companies as evil".

Actually, I wonder if Obama's adoring media, and liberals in general, will be saying anything disapprobationary about the tobacco companies NOW, given that our current president is an active user of their products. Might create too much of a cognitive dissonance issue for them to process.

Nate, Il.
"We need better social studies classes for all ages."

I agree with your post with the exception of above. We need to nix the teaching of "Social Studies" all together and go back to teaching "History".
True historical studies would also encompass the social conditions of the era being researched.

Social Studies teachings seem to relay the political correctness missing in a culture that is deemed necessary for progression...according to them. The state sponsored public education has an agenda. And true history, if taught and understood, would interfere with that agenda. So they got a bright idea - minimize historical facts in favor of the study of social conditions.

Social structures and conditions of a people and era can be more easily fudged, minipulated, to fit agendas than historical records and facts.

svpallava
I don't know if all colleges and universities do have special courses they require - but I know the one I attended did. So did three different ones that my daughter attended and the two my sons attended. They varied. At my college it was three courses of Western Art and Civilization. At one of my daughter's colleges it was two special religious classes - at the second it was three socialism classes.

So I would suspect most colleges do even though you might not be aware of it.

Additional response to 45calibre @ 15:33
BTW, my statement about Canuck colleges/universities was valid as of 1988--unfortunately, I cannot say how much they have deteriorated since then though I have some idea (example: I cannot simply place envelopes of tracts/magazines on a college/university bulletin board in Canada as I do in US, but actually have to get the Students' Union of the institution to put them up--I found this out when attempting to place some at McGill University in December 1999).

Go ahead Liberals, Admit it !

This article means absolutely nothing to Barack Obama.

What happens in North Korea, stays in North Korea.

Like his Blackberry, Barack is programmed. Automatically triggered to obey the likes of Soros, Clinton, and Pelosi. A lap dog of the Leftist lunatics.

Barack is a Hollow Man.

Tallil2long
"She clearly was NOT trying to point out that terrorism is a terrible thing that is nonetheless being used as a boogeyman. Rather, her words reveal that she doesn't believe terrorism to be a threat, seeing as how she believes the biggest terrorist attack in modern history wasn't *really* a terrorist attack at all, but rather a ploy staged by our own *Republican-dominated* government."

It's possible that's what she meant, but it's also possible she mean something else, like our government's actions caused terrorism to flourish. We'll never know because Prager assumed he understood.

But assuming you are correct, there's another baffling detail that doesn't quite fit. If she blamed nasty Republicans, shouldn't she fear those terrorists? Prager wants to make us believe a paranoid person has no fear. Therefore I don't trust Prager's perception.

He who controls the past ...
It is worse than than you think. At University of California at Santa Cruz, Mike Rotkin (Mayor of the town) teaches Marxism as a class, focusing on why it's so great.

Angela Davis, Communist, just retired as head of Rotkin's department (History of Consciousness, natch). And the Feminist Studies program (used to be called Woman's Studies, doncha know) is headed by Bettina Aptheker, lifelong Communist, daughter of Herbert Aptheker who was for years the leading intellectual light in the US Communist Party. As an aside -- Bettina recently published a book which tells how her father molested her -- so much for the higher consciousness of our Commie friends.

Paul Ortiz focuses on Latin aspects of Marxism, and it goes on and on with lessor academic lights pounding away at the kids.

The 60's radicals have completed their takeover of the public school and college education in this country. Howard Zinn's text on American History is used in college classes, hate America is the subtext in almost every liberal arts course. He who controls the past controls the future, Orwell told us. And Pogo told us that we've seen the problem, and it is us.

BILL AYERS IS THE COLLEGE TEACHER !
THE NUTTY PROFESSOR!SO THEY GET A WARPED VIEW!

Questions
An educated population is one that asks informed questions and expects reasonable and justifiable answers. To the democrats and eductated population is a threat. When too many people start questioning the logic and basis of their actions is the day they begin to lose power.
Unfortunately the apathy towards political action and even awareness these days does nothing but promote the wanton disregard for political responsibility, in both parties.

Bad example
>The 60's radicals have completed their takeover of the public school and college education in this country.<

Using UC Santa Cruz, possibly the most liberal school in the country(yes, more than Berkeley)as an example for your generalization, is hardly representative.

I live near BYU, and I could give you a list of professors that reads like a who's who of 1950s conservatism.

Ironically, Professoer Steven Jones, whose research on the implosion of Building 7 has raised significant skepticism of the NIST theory in the scientific community, was released from BYU after taking his research national.

Explain Carlos
>Like his Blackberry, Barack is programmed. Automatically triggered to obey the likes of Soros, Clinton, and Pelosi. A lap dog of the Leftist lunatics.<
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From the AP:

>The family planning funding was a particular target of Boehner and other Republicans, and Obama's intervention was timed for his meetings in the Capitol.

The decision angered some House Democrats — Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. had defended the funding in a weekend television interview — and the White House sought to ease the concerns.

"While he agrees that greater access to family planning is good policy, the president believes that the funding for it does not belong in the economic recovery and reinvestment plan," said White House press secretary Robert Gibbs.<

It may be you who's the lapdog.

To Diamond Z in TX....

"the nutty professor"......lol...

lol...you crack me up.....lol...

"McCarthy was right but
for the wrong reason". That's what Soviet KGB general Oleg Kalugin who defected to US said, and I agree. Now, 55 years later, when Soviet Union is no more we know from the Soviet archives that most of McCarthy's allegations were correct. He got some of his numbers wrong, though.
To follow-up some other posts in this thread, about ten years ago I watched on Russian television a British documentary about the fate of American communists who in 1930s came to their idol to the Soviet Union. They had been tortured and shot. The documentary showed the places where they were burried without any markers.

Communist Rules for Takeover
Back in 1968 the Air Force Academy printed a list of the American Communist Party's rules for takeover of the U.S. They were originally writen, I believe, back in the '20s. They were still in affect in '68.

There were three rules.

1) Destroy the ruggedness of the American people by concentrating their attention on spectator sports and sex.

2) Take control of the news media and use it to prevent the people from knowing what goes on in the legislative halls while tearing down the image of any natural leader the people might follow.

3) Disarm the population through gun control.

While I no longer think the Communists are truly involved in this, I do believe that someone is trying to use these rules. How many do YOU think are now done?

Pancho...

I'll apologize when Obama admits "The Axis of Evil" is real, and understated by Bush.

He need not use the un-PC term of Evil either.

Standing up and calling Kim II a 'Ruthless Butcher of Children' will do just fine.

Or would that hurt the monster's feelings?

Isa
I can't remember the name of the athiest who got things going in the U.S. off hand but she was heading for Russia as a Communist when she suddenly came into the possession of a lot of gold. With it she was able to buy her business and finance her legal attack on prayer in schools, etc. The information I saw stated that the gold came from Russia.

Interestingly enough, she was murdered some years ago.

Not completely
>Now, 55 years later, when Soviet Union is no more we know from the Soviet archives that most of McCarthy's allegations were correct<

Most of his EARLY allegations. Possibly due to his alcoholism, McCarthy descended into farcical accusations after his initial charges garnered some success. But many of his targets remain exonerated, including the biggest one, Gen George Marshall.

Carlos:
I think it would hurt Kim's feelings and probably come close to starting a war. And liberals NEVER call names. You can tell that by reading their comments here.

Isa
Madelien Mary O'Hara

Changing the subject
No one asked you to apologize Carlos, and the axis of evil wasn't part of your claim, which was that Obama is a lapdog for Pelosi, among others.

Yet, less than a week into his presidency, Obama agreed with Repulicans in defiance of Pelosi.

Reality a tough concept for you?

45caliber... of course!

Prager's mild description of the horrors these monsters perpetrate(d) are very disturbing to you and I.

But the Left (and Obama) view the world's real life torture chambers as mere cartoons, where Wile E. Coyote doesn't really get hurt, and never dies.

We'll never understand Marxist brilliance.


A dishonest article
The greatest problem I have with Prager is his hypocrisy He constantly talks about morality but he doesn't follow any such morality in his writing about liberals.

This article is a classic example. He presents a 9-11 conspiracy theorist as a representative of college students. He surely knows that such a person is not representative of College students or liberals, and that no such nonsense is taught in American colleges.

What our future holds...
These Susie "Q"s and their like thinking college gum drops may someday look up at the sky and coo -:"OOOOH, look at those beautiful cloud formations, they almost look like mushrooms." So many of these students, who have been educated (?) at the smelly feet of left leaning professors, are seduced into thinking that our own country is at fault for all of the wrongs of planet Earth.

45
The name you search for is Madalyn Murray O'Hair and she is best known for the case of Murray v. Curlett which in 1963 ended daily prayers in public school--the court's decision being the correct one.

The other stuff about going to the USSR and Soviet Gold--pure tripe.

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No Surprise
I see no reasons: 1) For surprise here. After all these are the people Obama targeted with his "campaign rhetoric" as he has called it. They elected him and the Congress since '06. 2)To expect a student from CA - land of fruits, nuts and other Liberal loons - to be any more rational, logical or aware of facts, truth and real history than this young female dolt.
They are full to the brim with Lib Dem Obamaniac Kool-Aid and like ostriches, heads in the sand, butts high in the air waiting for what comes next. They are in denial of this, what has come since the 7th C. and is still coming stronger than ever before in its history: http://religionofpeace.com

SL
She's going no place. The GOP should nominate her though in 2012, Obama is going to win anyway might as well burn your reserves and save your front line for when you can actually win--2012.

Trivia--last time a losing VP candidate gained the nomination in his own right and won? Once in the last 76 years. Who was that? FDR who was the losing VP candidate in 1920. Number of losing VP to get the nomination for president and go on to lose the general election? Two--Robert Dole who ran as Ford's VP in 1976 and got the nomination in 1996 and Walter Mondale who was the sitting VP in 1980 and got the nomination in 1984--he losing to Reagan and Dole losing to Clinton.

Palin? Give me a break. A flash in the pan. The GOP's Gary Hart.

hail to the chief
Would you expect anything different from U. Of CA student. They are being taught America is the enemy, and anything else is treated unfairly. All these liberal teachers and students should go on a mandatory field trip to Iraq, and than Afghanistan. This way they can see first hand the real world.

Lee @ 6:14 p.m.
You wrote: He presents a 9-11 conspiracy theorist as a representative of college students. He surely knows that such a person is not representative of College students or liberals, and that no such nonsense is taught in American colleges.
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Surely, you jest. Pass the bongwater and chant 30 times: "Denial is not a river in Egypt."

de.ni.al [di-nahy-uhl]
Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.

To donjindra
"It's possible that's what she meant, but it's also possible she mean something else, like our government's actions caused terrorism to flourish."

Right... the student said that the government "attacked and killed 3,000 of us on Sept. 11", which means that "the government's actions caused terrorism to flourish". I'm guessing that she meant what she said. English is not THAT hard to comprehend.

"But assuming you are correct, there's another baffling detail that doesn't quite fit. If she blamed nasty Republicans, shouldn't she fear those terrorists? Prager wants to make us believe a paranoid person has no fear."

No, she wouldn't fear terrorists, she would fear the (at that time Republican-dominated) government, because that is who she claimed staged the 9/11 attacks. Again, English is not that hard to comprehend.

Tallil2long
You better read Prager's account again. The student did not say the government "attacked and killed 3,000 of us on Sept. 11". Those were Prager's words. He implies she agreed with that statement but that is unclear even in his biased recollection. Just think about how people normally answer in these sorts of encounters. Curtness usually means there is no interest in the conversation or in the company, and little more.

And you have not explained how a paranoid personality who thinks the government killed 3000 citizens with airplanes so nonchalantly chooses to fly in an airplane as if such badguys would peacefully crawl into their holes after an election. Prager's story seems fictional, created merely for party consumption.

And we wonder why...
Dennis is right. Right about the sad state of affairs in our illustrious colleges and universities, and right about the products of those institutions. And the really sad part is... they vote.

(And we wonder why so many of our elected officials represent the worse this country has to offer.)

CA college kid
If Mr. Prager was aware of the menace and evil of Communism, why didn't he put on a uniform in 1970 and fight them in Vietnam? After all, his draft lottery number was a low 48 (out of 365). Seems that would have been a golden opportunity to put his anti-communist beliefs into action, instead of segueing into graduate school like so many other Ivy League draft avoiders did back then. And for a sixty-year-old man to tar the entire higher education of a country based on the (wacky) opinions of a twenty-year old female college student sitting next to on a plane, does not sound serious or insightful, it sounds absurd. To use views expressed by an unsuspecting student trapped next to you on a plane, to make so public a condemnation of their beliefs without giving them the benefit of rebuttal seems distasteful, ill mannered and intellectually dishonest, to me.

To Donjindra
"The student did not say the government "attacked and killed 3,000 of us on Sept. 11". Those were Prager's words. He implies she agreed with that statement but that is unclear even in his biased recollection."

Sure, let's re-read:
'Me: Communism killed about a hundred million people. And who do you think attacked and killed 3,000 of us on Sept. 11?
She: The government.'

According to Mr. Prager, she did indeed say that the government killed 3,000 on Sept. 11. Let's try a little experiment. If you ask me "Is your user name Tallil2long", and I respond "Yes", that is the same as stating "My user name is Tallil2long". This is basic English comprehension.

You might ASSUME that Mr. Prager lied or misrepresented the conversation, but you have absolutely no evidence of that. You merely wish it to be so and thus assume that it is. Assuming that reality must, regardless of appearances, conform to your preconceived notions is dangerous and is not a particularly successful way of dealing with the real world.

"And you have not explained how a paranoid personality...so nonchalantly chooses to fly in an airplane..."

The student certainly would not be unreasonable in assuming that such attacks, even were they conducted by the 'government', could not be frequently repeated. And indeed, the statistical record since Sept. 11 would certainly be enough to convince a person that the actual risk was very low.

To Bob
I very much fear that Donjindra is a product of that sort of institution. She seems weak in reading comprehension and extremely weak in critical thinking. She doesn't realize that answering a question with an unqualified affirmative is tantamount to making a statement, and she doesn't realize that proof is more than making comfortable assumptions in the utter absence of evidence.

To Michael
"If Mr. Prager was aware of the menace and evil of Communism, why didn't he put on a uniform in 1970 and fight them in Vietnam?"

Do you agree that terrorism is an evil and a menace? If so, why don't YOU join and help out? There are lots of reasons why people don't join the military, and unless you know more than you're telling, you don't know enough to judge Mr. Prager's.

"And for a sixty-year-old man to tar the entire higher education of a country based on the (wacky) opinions of a twenty-year old female college student sitting next to on a plane, does not sound serious or insightful, it sounds absurd."

Using a single example to characterize a larger trend or problem is not inherently ridiculous. If Mr. Prager is right that only 1 in 10,000 students knows about Stalin's handling of the Ukraine, if he is right that "at most universities, communism is a non-evil, indeed, largely a non-issue", if he is right that "when communism is mentioned at all, it is usually solely in order to show how vile anti-communists were", etc, then his example and his conclusion are quite reasonable and possibly correct.

If he is wrong about those things, then that is another matter. If you want to make a substantive argument, you'd have to demonstrate that either Mr. Prager cannot know those things, or that he is in error on those things.

By the bye, on 'tarring the entire higher ed system', you might note that Mr. Prager qualifies his statements:
'I suspect this young woman represents *many* college students'
'At most universities...'
'it is usually...'
'more could probably identify...'

Mr. Prager is not blindly tarring the ENTIRE higher ed system. He is describing what he believes to be a very wide spread trend, but that is not the same thing.


Who is John Gault?
I have to say, I read articles like this one and i always stop to think, "These are the people who say that those of us who serve in the military are uneducated?" However I know that this is what the youth in our country are taught having also gone to college. As for the person that made earlier references to the work of Ayn Rand, I couldn't agree more.

Tallil2long
I have good reason to doubt Prager’s story. First, it doesn’t ring true. Second, Prager is a propagandist. He has an interest in pushing an ideological position and tailoring events to suit it.

We don’t have the student’s side of the story. We have a two word answer to a silly question posed by an older man who, from her POV, might be in need of anger management. Was she being sarcastic or evasive and Prager just missed it?

Is he even presenting this as fact at all? He introduces it like a TV show (hint). He sits next to a 20 old student who is flying first class away from school near the first week of the semester (hint). He gets into her mind like an omniscient narrator (hint). He claims she believes a strange conspiracy theory about the government while at the same time claiming she doesn’t even believe there is any danger at all (hint).

I’m not gullible enough to believe, I guess.

BTW, paranoid people probably don’t look at statistics in the rational way that you do.

And I’m a male: Don.


Donjindra - another straw man
If I have this right, something actually did ring true which is why you had to respond with "...it doesn't ring true."

You doubt the story from a man who is dedicated to the truth before opinion?

So because the story doesn't jive with your views (indeed, it is just part anecdotal and mostly facts cited), you set up the straw man argument that portends "likelihood of truth by this person" vs. "the actual merits and facts of the story".

So we should believe your "story of doubt" over Dennis' "story"?

Why kind of serious person allows this semi-articulate retort to pass for sound and rational refutation?

Simply stated, Prager has facts while you have hunches. But let's believe the hunch over someone who essentially takes a vow of truth before opinion? Surely you jest!

Akaqi
Your comment about O'Hair being pure tripe about her receiving gold, etc. from Russia - it isn't tripe according to her son. He was the one who stated that she acquired the gold from them. She was supposed to have gone there but Russia presuaded her to stay here with their help.

king
"Simply stated, Prager has facts while you have hunches."

Wow, are you naive. Prager is a self-serving ideologue. He has shown no interest in facts or truth.

"If I have this right, something actually did ring true which is why you had to respond with '...it doesn't ring true.'"

Huh? I guess that makes some sort of sense to you but I need a translation.


To Donjindra
In other words, you have no evidence that Mr. Prager is inventing or misrepresenting this story. You merely feel like dismissing it as fabrication.

Once again, assuming that reality conforms to your feelings (without evidence) is not a good way to deal with the real world.

Donjindra - 2nd straw man and ad hominem
So denounce the dissenting thought by calling me naive. Now that's substantive argumenting. I need to go back to college to learn the straw man technique....so persuasive.

You ASSUREDLY dismiss Dennis' story with no proof of anything to back up your dismissal.

So to be clear, we the reader should assume the following:

A 25 year radio man and a lifelong religious man devoted to truth over agreement should not be believed. BUT A COMMENTER (Donjindra) on the townhall website should be given deference of analysis OVER the author of the article when it comes to a conversation the author had with someone else?

And this passes for critical thinking?

Folks, it's pseudo-analysis and conclusion-jumping like this that is both baffling and scary. The only thing scarier is knowing some people actually might believe a commenter over the author in this case.

Second To Donjindra
"I have good reason to doubt Prager’s story."

We shall see. Read on.

"First, it doesn’t ring true."

To a conspiracy theorist, the claim that aircraft could bring down the Towers might not 'ring true'. The fact that hunches are fallible is the reason for insisting upon EVIDENCE. Will you provide EVIDENCE that Mr. Prager's story is a fabrication? The world waits with bated breath... Read on.

"Second, Prager is a propagandist. He has an interest in pushing an ideological position and tailoring events to suit it."

Everyone who debates anything has a position. The mere fact that someone is 'interested' does not disprove their facts or conclusions. Those who see tobacco use as harmful and wish to reduce it, are not automatically wrong when they study and publish the risks and impact of smoking.

"We don’t have the student’s side of the story."

True. Yet not having both sides of the story does not automatically disprove the side we have. For instance, if an eyewitness claims that he saw a man murder a woman, the police don't dismiss the claim with 'Well, we're dismissing this because we don't have HIS side of the story'.

"We have a two word answer to a silly question posed by an older man who, from her POV, might be in need of anger management."

Without having 'her side of the story', you are nonetheless suggesting her opinions. Further, you assume it is a silly question when, in fact, there is nothing inherently silly about it -- especially given the fact that she does NOT agree with the general consensus on the attack.

"Was she being sarcastic or evasive and Prager just missed it?"

Do you have any evidence to suggest that she was being sarcastic or evasive (other than your own imputing behavior to someone you never met)?


Third to Donjindra
"Is he even presenting this as fact at all?

Read the column. Yes, he is presenting it as fact.

"He introduces it like a TV show (hint)."

Form of presentation does not prove or disprove the validity of content.

"He sits next to a 20 old student who is flying first class away from school near the first week of the semester (hint)."

Which means she lacks the ability to give an honest and rational answer?

"He gets into her mind like an omniscient narrator (hint)."

He 'got into her mind'? You honestly think Mr. Prager has the mystical ability to read minds? Yet still think he couldn't recognize sarcasm?

"He claims she believes a strange conspiracy theory about the government while at the same time claiming she doesn’t even believe there is any danger at all (hint)."

She has every reason to assume the danger is low. After all, Islamicist terrorism is not to be feared in her view, and the 9/11 attacks were obviously a one-off attempt given that there has been no repetition in the last several years.

"I’m not gullible enough to believe, I guess."

You are too ideologically blinded to consider.

"BTW, paranoid people probably don’t look at statistics in the rational way that you do."

You assume she is pathologically paranoid, when in fact you have no evidence of it. Swallowing one conspiracy theory about the government does not equal a psychological evaluation of paranoia.

"And I’m a male: Don."

How do I know? You merely *claim* that you are male, even as Mr. Prager merely *claims* that the conversation went the way he recorded it. If you need not believe him, I need not believe you.

Nonetheless, having no evidence that you are female and having no reason to believe you are lying, I do believe you and I apologize. Like you, I made an unwarranted assumption. At least I can admit that I was in error in doing so.


Tallil2long
No, it's you who has a "feeling" that Prager is telling the truth. You have no more than that to go on. I, OTOH, am a skeptical person. You must believe we should accept everything we read, even when the text is so obviously biased.

king
"A 25 year radio man and a lifelong religious man devoted to truth over agreement should not be believed."

Yes, that's naive.

And as for critical thinking, try applying it yourself rather than swallowing a fish story hook, line, and sinker.

Prager's Comments
His comments really aren't about the girl herself. He is using her as a reason to consider that many college students believe the same way and actually talks about that.

And I agree BECAUSE I've run into some myself who believe the same way - and so have my kids while they were in college. In addition, there are classes they had to take regardless of major to insure that ALL students in the colleges they attended were exposed to those ideas. So, yes, I believe what he is saying - simply because I've run into the same things.

Donjindra - 3rd straw man and ad hominem
A 25 year radio man and a lifelong religious man devoted to truth over agreement GETS THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

Donjindra, a serial commenter on Townhall DOES NOT GET ANY BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

Track records are important here. Is this that complicated? Maybe it is. Here's a question to ask yourself:

Would I trust a stranger?...or a friend who has a track record for being honest?

Donjindra might answer "you can't trust either based on agenda".

You can only learn that stuff in higher education. I can't believe anyone would believe that drivel otherwise. But then believing something so insane allows one to gain a superiority complex which then manifests itself into thinking one is smarter than others.

Then there's the disappearance.
O'Hare also vanished under strange circumstances and I'm sure there are a lot of tin foil hat theories re: her probably demise.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Tallil2long
You ask, “You honestly think Mr. Prager has the mystical ability to read minds?”

No. Evidently I didn’t make myself clear.

Prager takes on the voice of an author, not a man reporting facts. He tells us it is “essential” that we understand she is a student of UCSB. Actually, she “had” to be a student from a major university. Why? Because she “would never have come up with ‘Terror is the new Communism’ on her own.” But of course that’s not a fact at all. He presumes to know how and where she has learned about history and the world. He cannot possibly know this. He’s creating a character like a novelist would create one. When he speaks of it being “essential” that she be a student at a major university, he’s not talking about her, he’s talking about the reader. It’s essential for *us* to believe she had to pick up this information at said university because now he has a prototype he can replicate to fill classrooms. Students are zombies in this world. When told the “truth”, they may not even be able to process the words. To me, this story is obvious gonzo journalism.

Me: "He sits next to a 20 old student who is flying first class away from school near the first week of the semester (hint)."

You “Which means she lacks the ability to give an honest and rational answer?”

Again, I guess I didn’t make myself clear. Around the first week of a semester students should be flying towards school, not away from it. So if this student is factual, she is not traveling the direction she ought. Besides, how many students fly first class? I seriously doubt Prager flies any other way. This hints that the student is an invention.

You suggest I am “too ideologically blinded to consider.” What ideology would that be, do you suppose?



Wrat:
O'Hare was murdered and her body dumped out the country over a number of gold coins she still had from the original transaction from Russia. I believe it was an ex-employee and a couple of his friends who did the dastardly deed. I want to say there was another body with her but I don't remember and don't care enough to look it up. She was found months later. The son who claimed she had been contacted by Russia and paid to remain in the U.S. became a Christian and disowned her. He might be lying about her but I doubt it since there isn't any reason for him to do that.

To Donjindra pt 1
"No, it's you who has a "feeling" that Prager is telling the truth."

Oh, so you aren't going on feelings. Got it. So what exact EVIDENCE do you provide that Prager is not telling the truth?

1) That it doesn't 'ring true'. This is your FEELING.

2) "Prager is a propagandist. He has an interest in pushing an ideological position."
Which doesn't constitute evidence that he is lying in this case. Even as the statements of anti-tobacco crusaders are not automatically untrue.

3) "We don’t have the student’s side of the story." Which again proves nothing, and is evidence of nothing.

4) "We have a two word answer to a silly question posed by an older man who, from her POV, might be in need of anger management." Here you start to reveal the poverty of your position. You must claim the question is silly, and must suggest her feelings, as well as implying that Prager was becoming enraged, which you cannot know.


5) "Was she being sarcastic or evasive and Prager just missed it?" Again, lacking evidence you start suggesting possibilities that are palatable to you.

6) "He introduces it like a TV show." Again, method of statement does not constitute evidence of untruth. Where on earth did you learn about logic?

7) "He sits next to a 20 old student who is flying first class away from school near the first week of the semester." First, your assumption that NO student EVER flies 'away from school' early in the semester is foolish. How do you know the individual circumstances of every college student in the U.S.? Second, you have invented the 'fact' that she is sitting first class. Prager certainly didn't say this. Thus, you are inventing a reality which you can mine for 'evidence'. This is simply not healthy.




Tallil2long
Are you familiar with gonzo journalism? If not, I can see why you're having a hard time with this.

To Donjindra pt 2
"He presumes to know how and where she has learned about history and the world."

Oh, my. A college student couldn't POSSIBLY have learned about history and the world in COLLEGE. Probably she learned about history and the world from her long, long life experience in foreign nations. Right?

"He cannot possibly know this."

She is 20 and is a college student. The last time I checked, freshman and sophomore students frequently take history classes. Still, Prager cannot actually know how much of her understanding of history comes from college. He is likely making the same error YOU are, except that while you can point out his error, you deny your own.

"He’s creating a character like a novelist would create one."

That does not make his assesment incorrect.

"It’s essential for *us* to believe she had to pick up this information at said university because now he has a prototype he can replicate to fill classrooms."

Yet, if she DID pick up this info at university, then his assesment has validity.


To Donjindra pt 3
"Students are zombies in this world. When told the “truth”, they may not even be able to process the words."

Did Prager claim that? The teaching and guidance one receives in college *has* influence, and young people are often more subject to influence than older persons.

"He gets into her mind like an omniscient narrator (hint)."

He asked her questions, and she gave answers.

"He claims she believes a strange conspiracy theory about the government while at the same time claiming she doesn’t even believe there is any danger at all (hint)."

No, SHE claimed to believe the conspiracy theory, and clearly the lack of further attacks since 9/11 has convinced her that the current threat is low. Believing in one conspiracy theory does not make someone pathologically and irrationally paranoid.

"You have no more than that to go on. I, OTOH, am a skeptical person."

You have imputed thoughts and feelings to a person you never met, established as 'fact' things you do not have information about (such as flying first class), pretended that there can be NO reason EVER for a student to be flying away from college in the first weeks of the semester, and decided, without evidence, that Mr. Prager is lying simply because his ideological perspective does not line up with your own (in fact, having demonstrated 'interest' in this topic, by your own standard you also are utterly unreliable as a judge).

"You must believe we should accept everything we read, even when the text is so obviously biased."

This from the person who has invented his own evidence in order to support his judgement!

To Donjindra
If you are unable to effectively argue the points that I make, throwing out the red herring of gonzo journalism will not help you.

Final to Donjindra
Tell you what. I'm tired of knocking down your fantasies and poor logic, and I suspect anybody who might still be lingering here is tired of reading my posts. You will remain convinced that he is lying (albeit without evidence) since his tale, if true, would be unpalatable for you. You invent facts, impute emotions and thoughts, and assume that an argument is proven or disproven by political interest of the speaker. So I'll just let you go on this one. Have a great day.

Tallil2long
You made no new points, and those you rehashed I had previously countered. Just continue believing what you wish to believe. I'll continue to be skeptical until presented with much better evidence than what Prager peddles.

New Communism
Socialism has, more or less, taken over America now. Communism is one step behind.
What are we to expect? We have a generation now of age to elect people to office, who have been purposely made into stupid clones by a public school system controlled by Liberals, then entering some institute of higher learning also controlled by Liberals. In their minds, an all providing (controlling) government is good. Never once do they stop to realize that the government has no wealth of it's own; that it's resources are the people it towers over.