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Tuesday, May 06, 2008
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
Michael Moore, Frank Rich, Jeremiah Wright and John Hagee
by Dennis Prager
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It is with no pleasure that I put in writing what I have long believed: Though many individual liberals have only goodwill toward black Americans, the liberal world since the late 1960s (i.e., after the major civil rights legislation of the mid-1960s) has done incalculable damage to black America and to race relations in this country. Whether out of guilt or because of its own racist views (i.e., the unspoken but regularly implied belief in the inferiority of African-Americans), the left-of-center's general attitude toward black Americans has been that they cannot be judged by the same standards as others.

From lowering standards of admission to universities to blaming the high number of black men in prison for violent crimes on white racism to decades of cultivating black victimhood and the subsequent Wright-like rage against America, liberals and their party, the Democrats, have immeasurably hurt African-Americans and America.

Should a non-black oppose race-based lowered standards or blame black criminals rather than white racism for their criminality, the liberal world dismisses that individual as a racist; and should a black express these views, he is dismissed as an "Uncle Tom," a "traitor to his race."

In just the past week, two prominent men of the left provided examples.

Appearing on "Larry King Live," Michael Moore, the adored hero of the 2004 Democratic Convention, explained the Rev. Wright's anger and racism this way:

"I'm a white guy. And I think I've got to tell you something. If you were black in this country, especially if you are of his age, of his era or even times before that or even kids today, when you look at the situation in our inner city schools, I mean, you have to ask yourself, Larry, what's it like to be black in America? And what kind of rage would you feel? And if you did feel that rage, what kind of things would you say that, at times, would be outrageous, crazy even, because you've had to live through this for so long?

"And I do not believe, as a white guy, that I am in any position to judge a black man who has had to live through that" (italics added).

To the liberal world, the black American is so oppressed that his rage against whites specifically and America generally is completely understandable, and therefore no white has the right to judge black outrage and its subsequent expressions. Blacks are not to be judged by the moral standards one judges others.

In more sophisticated language, The New York Times columnist Frank Rich also sought to dismiss the general outrage at Wright's racist and anti-American diatribes. In Rich's view, American society's outrage at Wright is but one more example of American racism. His proof? America is not as angry at a white pastor, the Rev. John Hagee, who has endorsed Sen. John McCain, as it is at Wright and his 20-year bond with Sen. Barack Obama.

In Rich's words, "Mr. Hagee's videos have never had the same circulation on television as Mr. Wright's. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just doesn't have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man. It is disingenuous to pretend that there isn't a double standard operating here. If we're to judge black candidates on their most controversial associates -- and how quickly, sternly and completely they disown them -- we must judge white politicians by the same yardstick."

Thus, according to Rich, Hagee is just as worthy of censure as Wright; and McCain's relationship to Hagee is equivalent to Obama's relationship to Wright.

Yet nothing Hagee has said is comparable to what Wright has said. For example, in Wright's Detroit NAACP address, he said that African brains differ from white brains, that black English is no more different from standard English than John Kennedy's New England English was, and that America's repeated acts of terrorism are what brought 9-11's terrorism to America. And, at his own church he was recorded saying, "God damn America" and asserting that we cannot believe government denials that America started AIDS and infected African-Americans with the disease.

Moreover, the totality of Wright's views is virtually entirely race-based, including his continuing praise for Louis Farrakhan, his church's advocacy of "Black values" rather than Christian values, and his teaching that Christianity is rooted in black Africa and that Jesus himself was black.

Most Americans find such views racist. But to Rich, this reaction is "hypocrisy," since a white pastor, Hagee, whose endorsement McCain has accepted, has said equally immoral and bigoted things. Rich provided two examples -- Hagee's criticisms of the historical anti-Semitism of the Catholic Church in Europe and Hagee's statement that Hurricane Katrina may have been God's will as a result of the New Orleans gay parade that had been scheduled for the Monday after the storm.

As it happens, Hagee has completely retracted his objectionable comments on Katrina. Wright, on the other hand, has not only not retracted any of his anti-American and racist comments, he has reaffirmed them. Does this matter to Frank Rich? Of course not. What matters is indicting America for racist double standards.

As for Rich's attack on Hagee for the pastor's "anti-Catholicism," the Times columnist got his facts wrong. Hagee was not calling the Catholic Church "the Great Whore." That is an eschatological New Testament term in the Book of Revelation. Hagee teaches that the "Great Whore" will be an "apostate church" and a "false cult system" made up of all those who claim Christianity yet reject the gospel, whether Catholic or Protestant. He has stated explicitly and publicly -- and should continue to reassure Catholics -- that he does not believe that the "Great Whore" of Revelation is the Catholic Church. For Hagee, the sure sign that a Christian has rejected the gospel is an embrace of anti-Semitism. In the video referenced by Rich, Hagee chooses his examples of "apostate" behavior -- the Crusades, the Inquisition and a Hitler quote referencing the Catholic Church -- not because they are Catholic, but because they are anti-Semitic.

But while Rich and others could have honestly, if mistakenly, believed that Hagee was referring to the Catholic Church in that video, it borders on slander to compare John Hagee with Jeremiah Wright. Hagee has been preoccupied with the suffering of the Jews at the hands of Christians. One would think that the preoccupation of a major Christian leader with Jewish suffering at the hands of Catholics and Protestants -- Hagee has been just as critical of Martin Luther's anti-Semitism as with that of the Church -- would be welcomed by a liberal Jew such as Frank Rich. After all, liberal Jews and liberal non-Jews have been unsparing in their criticism of Christian, especially the European Catholic Church's, oppression of Jews. But for Rich, pointing out historical anti-Semitism is apparently less important than exaggerating contemporary American racism.

The sad irony of all the liberal attacks on white racism and subsequent justification of black rage against America is that it only increases black rage and sometimes even black racism. But it does keep 'em voting Democrat.

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The doublespeak
and hypocrisy of the Democratic party and of prominent liberals is coming out in sharper focus all the time.

What is really amazing is how arrogant the media and many politicians are, that they really think the American public is absolutely stupid enough to buy all their bullsh*t.

Talk about a case of not being able to read the writing on the wall.

Ditto CF
I would add that the Wright issue is creating some panic on the editorial boards of our major liberal propaganda sheets, I mean, newspapers. They see it for what it is, a lethal issue for their candidate.

Honesty? Anyone? Anyone?
It's funny how the leftists who cry that we can't draw ANY historical comparisons between Iraq and the U.S. Revolutionary and Civil Wars because they're not exactly the same in every detail, are the same people who are eager to accept such a demonstrably fallacious analogy between Wright and Hagee.

Is it too much to hope for just a glimmer of honesty from the Left?

Let's get it right
Prager has misinterpreted the NAACP speech by Wright. I saw the speech. Wright described the ages-old cultural differences between Africans and Europeans, not physical differences in the brain. The various teaching techniques should be of interest to conservatives, since to their credit they're open to alternative ways to teach such subjects as math.

I don't mean to defend Wright, because some of his views are hateful or downright foolish. But he is no part of the Obama campaign and in no way poses any power role in America's future. The same cannot be said of Hagee, whose endorsement was sought by McCain, not merely accepted.

The potential for power is a vital distinction between the two men. Hagee could increase his power through McCain, Wright will be a powerless thorn in Obama's side.

Regarding Wright, it was his outrageous comments to the press, not the NAACP speech, which crossed the line for Obama. This distinction is important because the rather colorful and entertaining, if out-dated NAACP speech was well received by his audience.

What you are really saying, Mr. Prager, between the lines, is that black Americans-- due to 85-90% voting habit--are useful idiots for the Democratic party. That's disgusting and you ought to be ashamed.

Where's the beef?
Prager said some liberals will brand as "Uncle Tom," or a "traitor to his race" those blacks who differ, then he added, "In just the past week, two prominent men of the left provided examples.."

Then you went on to give no examples. You just asserted it with nothing to back it up.

BTW, you also missed the point that Wright made about differing dialects of English. He said that the ways whites around the country use odd words and pronunciations are generally acceptable in standard English, whereas black English is unacceptable. That was a good point, if debatable, but you want to paint him as devilish as possible.

Wright's got loads to be criticized for-- upon which you and Obama and liberals would agree. It doesn't serve the nation's interest for you to go overboard. In November we have to live together-- much easier to reconcile if people base their votes on the facts. We've had enough with the WMD in Iraq and Saddam was in on 9-11 misinformation that poisoned the 2004 and 2002 elections. Your audience -- of whom many will vote -- needs fairness and accuracy, not distortion.

Frustrating as it may be for you to be on the opposite side politically from most black Americans, it serves you ill to imply they are merely being fooled for generation after generation. Fooled, why? After you're finished dwelling on Wright you should look in the mirror.

The Anti-Oprah
Mr. Prager is the anti-Oprah. The logic of his arguments is so powerful, it is no wonder the left tries to marginalize him; because they haven't the "tools" to debate him.
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Roy in Oslo
You've got it wrong. Rev. Wright has had much more influence as a trusted advisor to Obama than Hagee has ever been to McCain.

Rev. Wright will continue to cast a huge shadow over Obama's candidacy. You can try and try but you can't wish away that fact.

Fact: The Oakland, CA school board considered legitimizing black street vernacular as acceptable English which they dubbed "Ebonics." The proposal was a nationwide laughingstock.

Fact: Bill Cosby, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas etc. have all been branded "Uncle Toms" when they have spoken out for greater personal responsibility in the black community.

Fact: the Democrats remain willing enablers to the catastrophic dysfunction in black communities.

Two wrongs don't make a Wright
As a Gay-Catholic-Muslim, I have followed this issue. Inevitably, the only defense you see people make for McCain is that Wright is badder and closer to Obama than Hagee to McCain. But you can't defend McCain by by Obama's wrong. That's a fallacy. One persons' mistake does not excuse the mistake of another. And, if Hillary is nominated, McCain's ties to the religious fringe will be Swifted. Sooner or later, Catholics, Muslims, others offended (maybe threatened) by the men McCain has sanctioned will be informed. McCain is not going to get Bush's constituency without losing some of his maverick/moderate appeal. So someone, please defend McCain's choices ON ITS OWN MERITS, without resorting to Wright.

The quality of the relation between Obama and Wright is obviously different than that of McCain and Hagee, and that is the problem.

Wright is a religious relation. He was Obama's minister. Wright is _costing_ Obama votes. Obama is not courting the "Wright vote" or the "black liberation theology vote".

Hagee is a political relation. McCain has courted him because of the votes he can and will deliver. The evengelical vote could be the winning vote for McCain.

Who is more obligated if they win? Obama and his vote-costing minister, or McCain and his presidency-delivering Hagee?

Since our country's founding, candidates have courted leaders and the votes they sway with the understanding that favors will be done, influence will be had. When a Hagee or Parsley or Falwell (RIP) gets votes for McCain, there is an expection that McCain will help them with their political objectives.

That's the difference between Hagee and Wright, and to moderates and people startled by the role of evangelicals in the Bush administration, it's a reason to vote against McCain.

We should much more fear the candidate who owes a minister a favor than the candidate who wishes a minister would disappear.

hey royinolso
1. The democrat Party has been the home of racism in America for years. Theirs is the party of Jim Crow (Democrat). Theirs is the party that fillibustered the civil rights legislation in the early 60's (LBJ relied on R's to get it passed).
2. Hey, let's go back before the 60's, as you suggest. Woodrow Wilson - "progressive" icon - sick racist. When Wilson was screening KKK movies in the White House was that a perfect ideal for the racist democrat party? How about his desire to rid the US of "mongrel races"?
3. Harry S. Truman. One of the great democrat party presidents right? Oh yeah, Klan member! The words ni__er and chi_k were part of his daily lexicon.
4. Robert KKK Byrd.
5. After the Civil War (which was fought by Republicans), there wasn't a Republican governor elected to office in the south for decades. You know, during that time when the democrat party was constructing Jim Crow and poll taxes.
6. The reason the democrat party supported unions is because the unions refused to allow black memebers for decades. Racist democrat decades.
7. The arm of the democrat party, known as Planned Parenthood, was started to specifically get black babies and other "mongrel races" euthanized through abortions. You guys are still doing a great job of killing minority babies. I believe it runs over 1 million aborted per year. Are you proud of that?

Keep in mind that the welfare legislation pushed through by LBJ was done to (I quote from memory here) "give the ni__ers enough to keep them from gettin' any more uppity" So, yes. It is true. Any black person that supports the democrat party is truly the epitome of a "useful idiot".

In fact, anyone, of any color or religion, that supports the democrat party is a walking definition of a useful idiot.

"No pleasure"?
Aw come off it Denns. You LOVE putting down liberals! Your whole show is about how awful we are- even though, as you say so patronizingly we have "good intentions". Pass the barf bag please. And be honest about how much you despise us.

Oh, and your embrace of gay-bashing rightist revs is just plain despicable. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, right? How shallow and pretentious you are.

Laborlawyer
We as Americans don't despise Socialist Liberal voters, it is pity we feel for you and sorrow for our country.


NO Civil Rights without the GOP!!!!!
The best kept secret in American Politics is the fact that LBJ publicly credited the GOP with getting both Civil Rights Acts passed. This was done with Algore Sr. standing in the way like George Wallace.

THE the Dems had the unmitigated gall to usurp the credit when they realized that they couldn't stop passage and a large voting block would benefit. They have allowed black voters and liberal pundits for 43 years to ASSUME the dems had something to do with it.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

hagee
Pager is not being very honest again. See just one video of Hagee. This sicko was actually sought after by McCain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q

Hagee says Jesus not Messiah and Jews didn't reject him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8khCJTDD44&feature=related

"McCain personally wooed Hagee for more than a year."

Have you ever thought of checking
original sources. John Hagee has a website on which his views can be found.

http://www.jhm.org/ME2/Default.asp


Examples for RoyinOslo
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

Congressman J.C. Watts (R).

Former Ohio Secretary of State (and now Townhall columnist) J. Kenneth Blackwell.

And Congress Of Racial Equality founder and chairman, Reverend Roy Innes.

I assure you, all four of these gentlemen have "felt the love" of "progressives" over the years. For being "off the (liberal) plantation" in greater or lesser degrees.

Make no mistake- "progressives" view African-Americans as theirs, now and forever. And do not react well when any African-American leader disagrees with them, on any subject, no matter how slight.

Simon LeGree would be so proud of the "progressives". For obvious reasons.


clear ether

eon

Follow the Money
In America when one wants to find out what is really going on - Follow the Money!

Race baiting is a huge profit maker, at least in some circles. One can only imagine the loss of paying customers that would occur if Obama is elected President.

Jackson, Sharpton and Wright et al would suffer huge losses in personal income.

The democratic party would lose huge amounts of support money - if the racial divide was actually healed.

Obama cannot heal the racial divide with his elitist attitude and black separatist background.

The dynamic between Obama and the "three race hustlers and their ilk" could cause a major customer shift in the race baiting industry.

The customer base will not diminish for race baiters - the profits might shift to others.

The black community are the pawns in this game and the taxpayer pays the bill.


Needs history lesson
To Think People!

Just as Rev. Wright's views are stuck in the past, so is your view of history. The Dems evolved during the New Deal era by adding African-Americans to its coalition. Not all, because a large minority of blacks stayed true to the GOP through Eisenhower. But the Dems became the party of Civil Rights during the Kennedy-Johnson years and laws passed with liberals and moderates of both parties. Conservative Republicans and Southern Dems blocked progress but were undone by the Great Society, after which Dixiecrats by the millions drifted to the GOP, as Johnson predicted they would when he signed Civil Rights legislation.

This is why today the Red-Blue map of the 2000 and 2004 elections resembles the Blue-Gray division of the Civil War era (with big chunks of the west thrown in.)

Healing Racial Divide
I cannot see Haggee, Parsley and other radicals losing profits or making profits if racism is destroyed in America or continued.

I can see huge profit losses by the "Race Baiting Industry" should healing ever happen.

Whether Obama wins or not the race issue will be worse for many years to come. The issue that remains is all about who gets the profits.

The black community will continue to suffer and the taxpayer will continue to pay.

Racial healing will not happen in our lifetimes - too much money to be made.


NY Times malarkey
I'm a little confused by Frank Rich's observation that "Mr. Hagee's videos have never had the same circulation on television as Mr. Wright's." I mean, the guy is on TV just about every night, and has been for years (admittedly, on Daystar or TBN, stations with which Mr. Rich is probably not familiar). But the point is that Hagee's worldview is out there for everyone to see.


Get real . . .
So. . .

McCain sought Hagee's endorsement. I would guess that to be perhaps one out of 1.000 endorsements that McCain sought during this campaign.

Obama was a member of Wrights church and supporter of Rev. Wright for 20 years. Wright married he and his wife, baptized their children, and was mentioned frequently in Obama's books. Obama even based the title of his "Audacity" book on a Wright sermon.

Obviously - the relationships are the same - if you're a tard.

Chaos in Government
One can only see chaos in government if racial harmony were to occur.

Tens of thousands of government workers would have to focus on something else. Careers would be ruined.

If the 'War on Poverty' succeeded - chaos would occur in America.

Who really wants racial healing?

Only those who want the individual citizen to become the true minority.

Think People!...
...A very good post!You should post more often.

King Liberal
are you aware that B. Hussein Obama is half (WHITE)?
Just curious!

Though not a Haggee "fan" ...
I've read a couple of his books (In Defense of Israel and Jerusalem Countdown). Nothing earth shattering. Sometimes, personal preferences, that have nothing to do with a scriptural mandate, are present in a pastors sermon. As Christians, we are all charged with knowing and discerning truth through the filter of scripture.

What I find particularly distasteful is attempting to draw parallels where none exist. If one wishes to give the benefit of the doubt, leftists such as are a bit confused. Without that benefit, one must conclude they are simply liars.

Is it racist...
... to perpetuate an exagerated sense of racial tension so that one particular race will continue to support your cause either with money or votes?

The Writing on the Wall
The Democrat Party has always treated blacks like children in their program to keep them on the "plantation" and voting for Democrat candidates. They don't criticize their irrational beliefs and statements. Their attitude is "Well, what do you expect? They're our burden and we must protect them."

Here's a wake-up call: The Hispanic immigrants are going to work hard, learn English, and produce generations that really will take full advantage of the opportunities in America. They are going to lap the African Americans in properity and success...And they may well desert the Democrat Party and join the GOP, the party of growth, opportunity, and progress.

Can we please stop...
... with the ignorant, belligerant, uninformed, idiotic, inaccurate, and bigotted notion that the Republican party is inherently racist? Please? There is not a single, party-wide, plank in the Republican platform that oppresses blacks. Not one.

Are there racist Republicans? Of course there are, just like there are racist Democrats (I've met both). Denying that some people who agree with you are morons is denying reality.

The Left's policies AFTER the Civil Rights movement have done far more to harm blacks and race relations than was the case before. And that's saying quite a bit.

We aren't going to get rid of racism ever. We aren't going to even make any progress on it until we can stop having race involved in every conversatin when a black person is involved.

Question
Are you more likely to find overt racists, the kind of people who will openly say that they don't like blacks, in Republican strongholds like Louisiana and Alabama, or Democratic strongholds like San Francisco or Manhattan?

I rest my case.

Phylo out.

My union member brother part 1
You oppose my Total Tax Reform plan called “One Tax And Done”. Do you really enjoy paying much more for everything than you should have to pay, and seeing many union jobs taxed out of existence? There is something that you haven’t considered:

It is your duty to sell the plan. It is your duty and responsibility to your union, to go to your union meetings and remind the other members that they pay a lot of money to the union as dues, and that a lot of that dues money (how much?) is given by the union bosses to state and federal Democrat-party politicians to keep them in office. Your union bosses don’t give any money to Republican-party politicians.

It is also your duty to remind the membership that these Democrat-party politicians are constantly passing more and higher taxes, some of which are to be used to give an additional 845 billion dollars to the UN. These taxes have forced and continue to force many tens of thousands of employers out of business, out of the state, and out of the country, along with all the many jobs these employers provided. This is called outsourcing, and taxes are one of the main reasons for it. Hershey’s closing of the Luden’s Candy factory is a good example of this. Luden’s is a union shop, and the union jobs are going to Mexico, India, and Red China, thanks to all the destructive taxes the Democrat-party politicians passed and increased.

These same Democrat-party politicians are also trying to get amnesty for the many millions of illegal aliens, so they can take jobs presently held by long-term union members. Ask members of construction unions, who have already lost their jobs to illegal aliens, about this.


My union member brother part 2
The politicians you are paying to keep in office are taxing millions of union jobs out of existence, and are trying to get illegal aliens into others. Remember that, in 1990, these Democrat-party federal-level politicians greatly increased these taxes to force tens of thousands of employers to put millions of Americans out of jobs, to anger the people and get President Bush out of office. In 1991, the democrat-controlled state government did the same for no apparent reason other than “they could”. How many union members lost their jobs? Did the politicians ask for union permission to destroy jobs? All union members are paying the politicians to cut union members’ throats!!!

You must get the membership to send the local union boss to the state union boss and to the national union boss. The state and national bosses should go to the state bosses and national bosses of all the other unions. All the union bosses should go to the state and federal politicians to tell them that they will not get any more money, support, and votes until they repeal all these destructive, union-job-destroying taxes and get rid of the illegal aliens who are taking union jobs. If they don’t repeal the taxes and deport the illegal aliens, use the primary election to give your support to another candidate.

At this time, the state and national bosses can give copies of “One Tax And Done” and “How To Get Rid of Illegal Aliens” to each politician. I’ll follow this letter with state and federal versions of it. You probably haven’t thought about it, but if all those taxes had been repealed by 1946, we would have one of the best railroad systems in the world, and you wouldn’t have to worry that Amtrak might go under and your job might not last for ten more years – a concern you’ve expressed to me. The money that these taxes take from Amtrak is needed by Amtrak to stay in business and provide jobs; and the jobs taken by illegal aliens are needed by you and your union brothers.

Phylo
Talk about a non-sequitur...

If that's your "case", the judge just summarily dismissed it.

Hagee
In a recent article on the McCain/Hagee saga, Newsweek reports that McCain aides attribute the courting of Hagee’s support to “poor vetting.” But some from McCain’s own party wonder how his views could have “slipped through the cracks”:

McCain’s aides attribute the Hagee controversy to poor vetting. But even some Republicans (not affiliated with the campaign) privately wonder how the pastor’s extreme views slipped through without notice. McCain personally wooed Hagee for more than a year.

Indeed, “some Republicans” weren’t the only ones greeting this explanation with confusion. The New York Times’s Frank Rich noted yesterday that “[a]ny 12-year-old with a laptop could have vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops”:

Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew anything then about Mr. Hagee’s views? This particular YouTube video — far from the only one — was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple religious networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity Broadcasting, which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a laptop could have vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.

Newsweek noted that McCain “likes to think of himself as a straight-shooter” but when asked about Hagee’s endorsement, McCain starts “bobbing and weaving” — which is exactly what happened last month during an interview on ABC’s This Week. McCain agreed that the endorsement was “a mistake,” but 30 seconds later said he is “glad to have it.”

In seeking Hagee’s support, perhaps McCain and his staff did not “properly” vet the controversial pastor because they were taking advice from McCain’s buddy Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), who just last year compared Hagee to Moses.


Moses?
Gee, you think his support for Israel might have something to do with Prager's defense of the bigot Hagee?

Phylo out.

Primus
What do you mean "non-sequitur"?

Prager's article is about which party is better for blacks. Did you not get that?

I guess Prager thinks that blacks are stupid for not voting Republican. Those poor black people just can't figure it out, right Prager?

LOL.

5 C's :Foci of liberal hate CCCCC
Liberalism is a Satanic cult of victimization and reparation. In the French Revolution the radical atheist Jacobins assigned all ills to the Catholic Church and the nobility. After the Balfour Decision of 1917, in which the British and American Governments agreed to accept Money from those Jews who adhered to Theodore Herzel's Zionist dream of wresting the Turkish province as a war reparation and creating a Jewish/Zionist homeland, the Nazi blamed the ills of Europe on the Jews. Lenin and Stalin blamed every failure of socialism from counter-revolutionary , bourgeois kulaks. Likewise, the Progressive, one-world socialist have made the Conservative, Christian, Capitalist, Constitution-loving , believer in a republican sovereign Country responsible for all the ills.

Phylo
I grew up in Louisiana, and while there was racism, definitely, I have found more blatant and outright hatred of other peoples in many other states, especially norhtern states and on the coasts.

You see, in the South, since the sixties at least, whites and blacks have learned to accept and deal with each other. Because of bussing and other attempts to de-segregate, those of my generation overcame a great deal, when it comes to things like racism.

Later in life, I lived in many different places, including California, Washington state, Colorado, and other places. The areas where I found the most racism against black people were in places where there were few to no black people at all.

You need to go to other places and experienc them firsthand, Phylo, before you start issuing summary judgments against people and places you've never seen.

Phylo, on this topic, you are definitely out.

From a Fellow Union Brother9 And God Ble
This country began its ascendancy with Alexander Hamilton's policy of tariff not the advocated policy of British author, Adam Smith. In fact one of the five-slave-state Union’s policies that obviously worked well, was the tariff. It was the South, brave defenders of the Tenth Ammendment that they were, that advocated free trade, cheap labor, and an agrarian plutocracy. This resembles Bill Clinton's and later George Bush's constant acquiescence to the large corporate agri-business interest at the expense of factory workers and owners. Free trade merely replaces negro slaves with Mexican illegal aliens. And diabolical Hillary at least recognizes this capitulation to the new corporate plantation system for what it is,and, despite the morality and ethics of Lucretia Borgia and Madame Mao, she at least recognizes the deleterious effects on blue collar workers. It is the Republicans and the NAFTA Democrats that act like Marie Antoinette and say' Let us eat cake". It is the "Free Traders and the Environmentalsi" that have made my Pittsburgh area look like Hiroshima. Free trade is nothing more than an international plutocracy, in which workers are as expendable as plastic cups. It is also responsible for the rise of COMMUNIST CHINA, because the American corporations are encouraged by both parties to partner with a nation dedicated to the destruction of the American hegemony and economy. Corporations are allowed up to 49% ownership in factories in China. The profits of this partnership finance the Chinese military build up. Lenin and Marx were right, the capitalist, ( who use chinese slave labor) will provide the rope that will be used to hang them. Free Trade is Treachery and Treason.

eon
Nailed it well! Every time a conservative black voice speaks liberals turn their backs. For liberals, men like Thomas Sowell, Roy Innis or J.C. Watts don't exist! Why? The waters on the "plantation" might get a little rough if anything other than the straight Democactic line is heard from.

When a black American says "No" to the "Democratic Plantation" it means victory for America. In this country you're free. You don't have to vote for the party of Michael Moore. This despicable human being hates America beyond all comprehension. Then the Democrats wonder why they can't win a presidential election. Hey. Michael Moore, Sean Penn and every far left person in America supports your candidate! What do you expect?




Pastors & Politics
Frank Rich is a journalist,like I am a Democrat.Not even close.He may play one on TV,but that's about the extent.I doubt if he has ever in his career agreed with anything that is not left-leaning.Just discount anything he has to say.

For several weeks,the'Five Pastors' have been quoted,misquoted and compared to Rabid Wright.Apples and oranges.Absolutely no comparision.

Every repeated quote by the 'Five Pastors'that I have seen,is Biblically based.Some references were not the exact words as written,but were their take on the subject.Others may take a different view.

I have seen almost nothing from the Rabid One's words that are even related to the Bible or Christainity.They are just hateful rantings that further divide our country.

Curtal Friar
Your scant anecdotal evidence doesn't stand up very well against what everyone in the country knows to be the case.

Think about it, the current Republican strongholds just happen to be the very same places that were willing to fight to the death to keep black people in slavery.

Coincidence?

I doubt it.

Black people aren't as stupid as Prager thinks they are. They vote with the Democrats overwhelmingly because they know what's what.

Liberals were the ones behind the civil rights movement. Conservatives were standing in the way.

Of course, Prager would say that it was Republicans who brought about civil rights. Which is a half truth because the parties have almost completely realigned since the civil rights era.

Phylo out.

Rowley
Frank Rich is a columnist; not a journalist. Columnists are paid to write opinions. Journalists are paid to report the news.



Phylo writes:
"Prager's article is about which party is better for blacks. Did you not get that?"

Huh - I thought the article was about apples vs oranges comparisons (Wright vs Hagee) and the soft bigotry of low expectations you leftists define through your racially motivated policies.

What that has to do with your anecdotal supposition remains a mystery.


Further, you have evidenced many times over the past few weeks that you are and remain an Obama supporter. While your writing and comments indicate a man of above average intelligence, it is clear your "wisdom" has not kept pace if you continue to believe Obama is remotely qualified to be our next POTUS.

Frank Rich
One thing I forgot to mention.Rich was a theater critic for years for the NYT.He should have remained in that position.


A possible criticism
Frank Rich: Isn't he the theater critic turned America critic?

Dennis notes: And, at [Wright's] own church he was... asserting that we cannot believe government denials that America started AIDS and infected African-Americans with the disease.

Hmmm?

Considering how our government, right, left, and in between, manages to screw up everything it attempts (often due to a total lack of understanding of basic economics or the refusal to acknowledge them), the AIDS charge is almost credible: If our gov't attempted to use AIDS to kill blacks, they've certainly made a mess of it!

I'm voting a straight-republican ticket (although today is NC's primary, and I'm voting for Hillary!) as always to vote AGAINST dems, not FOR republicans, the usual "lesser of two evils" choice.

I didn't realize that Rev Hagee was such an influential guy. But as a Christian beset by "modern culture" (read: raw sewage), God punishing man's evil is not without precedent, eg, Noah and the flood, Soddom and Gommarah.

Then again, this is not something that God has given me to understand re Katrina or 9/11 (and, moreover, there's absolutely nothing I can do about either, as opposed to dems Gov Kathleen "I'm Freaking Out" Blanco and that idiot mayor Ray Nagin [re-elected by idiot voters], who had the chance and blew it as Katrina approached, while Bush had offered assistance beforehand, but was rebuffed), so I'm not persuaded one way or the other.

But New Orleans had the money to strengthen the levees in the 90s...but spent it on other things; I think it was gambling casinos. God helps those that help themselves.

Robert the liar wrote
"Hagee is still a nut. I am sorry McCain took his endorsement"

First of all, you're not sorry. You're absolutely revelling in the possibility that McCain has a skeleton in his closet.

Secondly, it is fitting that leftist liar such as yourself would deem the decrying of anti-semitism as something SCANDALOUS.

Of COURSE it's scandalous for you. You're a jew-hating liberal.

Oh, wait, you're just anti-zionist, right?

Hitler said the same thing.

big city dems
The reason all those low rent building were built in Chicago,New York and other big cities were to keep poor people(mostly blacks)from moving into the suburbs where the union liberal democrats lived.Those projects were the plantations to keep the blacks.

Phylo So and So
Thank you for that enlightening tidbit.It is hard to tell the difference these days.Whatever he calls himself...I call him a leftist political hack who only writes puff pieces promoting liberal causes.The New York Times is a perfect place for him.He fits right in with their agenda.

Useful idiots
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

All movements undergo a transition process. The process of African-Americans, blacks or whatever term you wish to use has not grown beyond Jim Crow. Too many are stuck in the past. Some have figured it out and learned that you have to earn it for yourself, not wait for someone else to do it for you.

There are some blacks who are great role models for young people to emulate. But these "Uncle Toms" are held up to ridicule. I find it fascinating that groups like the NAACP will excoriate those who oppose the Rev Wrights but say nothing when prominent conservative blacks are ridiculed. A preacher curses America and I am the one who is overreacting and should get over it. I am the one who does not understand the anger behind the words. I am the one guilty of hate speech when I denounce these people.

Liberals of America, George Orwell would be proud of your "newspeak"

But the real problem is not one of race. It is one of idealogy. It is a liberal, socialist agenda that lurks under the surface disguising itself as the champion of racial matters. It is a quest to invest power in a single source, the Federal Government. Black people are useful idiots to the socialist agenda.

Tibby



King Spin
Labeling dixiecrats as conservatives. Now there's a way to make history fit your world-view.

Tibby
"Some have figured it out and learned that you have to earn it for yourself, not wait for someone else to do it for you."

You just put in a nutshell why the Iraqis must be allowed to make their own mistakes and our troops should be sent elsewhere. A former governor of a southern Iraqi provence during the Bremer years saw this. The areas where the British tried here hardest to have a presence and control say the most violence but the area where the Italians had, who did little, the Iraqis had to come together to run things.

King Liberal
Here on Planet Earth, it is 2008, not 1965 or earlier.

And calling leftist policies "imperfect" is a colossal understatement.

"Abject failure" is the "perfect" description.

On the subject of phylo frenchy
Primus54:
Actually, judging by the way phylo continues to nail square pegs into round holes in his support of everything and anything obama, it's a safe bet that he's either black, and supports him because he's black, or a guilty white city boy, supporting him because he's black. I have yet to hear one coherent policy issue of barack spew from frenchy's mouth that would even offer minimal plausibility for supporting such an inexperienced and studdering candidate.

Primus54
Some major left policies have been a great success, like Johnson's war poverty and the civil rights for minorities.

How 'bout a little honesty.
"It is with no pleasure that I put in writing what I have long believed"

Right. How 'bout a little honesty, Dennis? If it were so "painful", why do you do it every week?

Here's a line from last week's op/ed:
" For the many Americans who suspect that most Americans on the left silently agree with nearly all of Wright's views of America, Moyers provided proof."

Or here are some titles from your other op-eds:

"The World Doesn't Hate America, the Left Does"

"If It's Bad for America, It's Good for Democrats"

Or how 'bout this line form two years ago:
"I believe the Left has been wrong on virtually every great moral issue in the last 30 years."

Did it give you no pleasure to write such things? In fact, Prager commonly takes an anectdote, an example of one, and paints all of liberal America with it, such as this:

" Michael Moore, the adored hero of the 2004 Democratic Convention, explained the Rev. Wright's anger and racism this way:... "And I do not believe, as a white guy, that I am in any position to judge a black man who has had to live through that" (italics added).

To the liberal world, the black American is so oppressed that his rage against whites specifically and America generally is completely understandable"

Prager often uses anecdotes to generalize; something totally unacceptable in rhetoric but apparently ok with Prager and his audience as they never challenge him on it.

But please. To say "it gives you no pleasure"? That's laughable. You have to give Rush Limbaugh and Hue Hewitt their due. At least they admit what they do is entertainment. It is an insult to your audience to say they are deriving pleasure from your pain, buddy.

Hue Hewitt admitted he loved "skewering liberals". Why can't you Dennis?

How 'bout a little honesty, Dennis. You love it and so does your audience. You bask in liberal bashing.

Trolls
I need some advice from my conservative friends. Could you provide me with the names of some leftist websites, read by people with whom I have nothing held in common, that I could go to with the purpose of being an annoying, pseudo-intellectual ninny, you know, like King Liberal.

Over and over and over again
It's really interesting that right wing mouthpieces like Prager and his TH supporters whine about the same thing over and over and over again without ever bothering to ask why the world doesn't fit their view.

You guys are 100% convinced that Republicans are the party of Civil Rights, that Democratic policies have been a disaster for African Americans, and that Republicans really deserve African American votes. I can add to that by pointing out that African Americans are, in general, far more conservative on key social issues than most Democrats. A the same time, some polls show that Republicans have like 8% support in African American communities.

If the choice were as obvious as you seem to think, then more people would make that choice. The real issue is why they don't. Instead of whining about it over and over again and trying to rewrite History, why don't you spend some time figuring out why that is the case?

Hawk
Columbia County...near the the "Garden City"?

Hawk
Excellent points.

Take away Obama's "minority" status and he would not have gotten past Iowa and New Hampshire, so poorly is he qualified for the job.

Dennis Kucinich has a better resume' - isn't THAT scary!