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Tuesday, January 01, 2008
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
Will Smith, Hitler and Diminishing Value of Truth
by Dennis Prager
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On Dec. 22, the Scottish newspaper The Daily Record published an article summarizing an interview its reporter Siobhan Synnot had with the superstar actor Will Smith. Near the end of the highly laudatory piece, the reporter wrote: "Remarkably, Will believes everyone is basically good" and immediately cited the actor saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'Let me do the most evil thing I can do today,'" said Will. "I think he woke up in the morning and, using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'"

What Will Smith said is probably true. Most of history's great evils were committed by people who somehow convinced themselves that the evil they did was really good. This is hardly a new problem. As the Prophet Hosea said 2,700 years ago, "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness" (Hosea 4:6).

Some years ago, I made a video on goodness ("For Goodness Sake") with the director David Zucker in which I said almost the same thing word for word, that few people who do evil wake up in the morning saying, "Ah, another day to do evil."

In his play "Incident at Vichy," playwright Arthur Miller depicts a Jewish doctor in Nazi Occupied France who seeks a corrupt Nazi to bribe in order to escape Hitler's genocide of the Jews. The Jewish doctor knows that if he finds an idealistic Nazi, he is doomed. Miller's point was that there were bestial Nazis who believed that what they were doing was good.

Yet, Will Smith, making the same point, was quoted around the world as saying that he thinks that Hitler was a good person.

Every Hollywood and celebrities Internet site I checked -- about 30 -- headlined that "Will Smith thinks Hitler was a 'good' person" (note that 'good' was put in quotation marks as if the headline was accurately quoting Smith).

And most then opened their phony report with this: "U.S. actor Will Smith has stunned fans by reportedly declaring that Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler was essentially a 'good' person."

A complete fabrication.

The lying about Smith was not confined to Hollywood and celebrity Web sites. For example, Rense.com, which calls itself "World's No. 1 Alternative News Service -- Your First Source for Reality and Honest Journalism," offered this headline (www.rense.com/general79/smith.htm), reprinting a World Entertainment News piece: "Will Smith -- 'Hitler Was Essentially a Good Person.'"

A Web site presumably credible to its readers put into quotation marks something Smith never said.

Even some responsible sites completely distorted what Smith said. YNETnews.com wrote: "Hollywood superstar Will Smith told Scottish newspaper The Daily Record recently that he was convinced Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler did not fully understand the extent of the pain and suffering his actions would cause during his time in power in the 1930s and '40s."

Smith said that? Where? When? YNET -- to repeat, a usually responsible site -- made up that whole statement.

And, of course, millions of Internet readers believe all this, and then the sites publish readers' comments based on the lie the site published -- such as this one at YNET about "Will Smith losing millions of fans, being another Mel Gibson … "

To their credit, the mainstream print and electronic news media rarely misquoted Smith, but when they did cover it, the coverage was unhelpful and occasionally irresponsible.

The New York Post's gossip column, "Page Six," wrote this on Dec. 30: "December 27, 2007 -- Will Smith wisely backed away from comments he made to a Scottish reporter about Adolf Hitler." In fact, Smith never "backed away" from his comments, and there was nothing to back away from.

The Chicago Tribune column "Red Eye" opened its Dec. 24 report on Will Smith with this: "Will Smith likes to think there's good in everybody. Even Adolf Hitler."

A headline in The Australian read, "Will Smith sees the good in Hitler."

And on Dec. 27, Scotland's premier newspaper, The Scotsman, reported -- even after Smith's clarification -- "Last week, however, the warm feeling for Smith turned distinctly chilly. In an interview with the Daily Record, he was quoted as saying Adolf Hitler had just been trying to do good."

Smith reacted to what he correctly called "an awful and disgusting lie" and denounced Hitler as "a vile, heinous vicious killer responsible for one of the greatest acts of evil committed on this planet." At that point, Abe Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, announced, "We welcome and accept Will Smith's statement that Hitler was a 'vicious killer' and that he did not mean for his remarks about the Nazi leader to be mistaken as praise." That was good and necessary. But, like the irresponsible blogs, the ADL leader characterized Smith's original statement this way: "Unfortunately, in citing Hitler in what appears to be a positive context, Smith stirred up a hornet's nest on the Internet, where hate groups and anti-Semites latched on to the remark and praised it."

But Will Smith never cited Hitler in "a positive context," and Foxman should never have said that Smith did. By doing so, Foxman preserved the original lie. A group dedicated to opposing defamation should have opposed the defamation of Will Smith, not subtly contributed to it.

What is to be learned? The lessons are simple:

1. Don't trust a Web site that doesn't cite a reputable source for a news item (opinions columns have different standards).

2. Then, check that source.

3. Don't trust headlines in newspapers -- read the entire column.

4. When a person is quoted, read his original statement in context.

In the meantime, however, millions of people around the world will continue to believe the lie that Will Smith said that Hitler was a good man.

And the media will, apparently, pay no price.

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Dennis Prager is a radio show host, contributing columnist for Townhall.com, and author of 4 books including Happiness Is a Serious Problem: A Human Nature Repair Manual.
 
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"All we like sheep..." or lemmings to the sea with sound bites creating eternal confusion.

Some of the anger in our posts to each other comes from the inaccurate information we get from our favorite media sources - which disagree with what our worthy adversaries are receiving from their favorite media sources. And the word battles begin anew.

I get hooked on a controversial headline and read the article only to find out the headline was bogus.
The trickery makes me mad.

The few times I've been quoted in a local newspaper, it was usually wrong, close sometimes, but never correct. And it wasn't about politics.

To hold a candidate hostage because of the printed word holds the same danger of error. We better look at the live interview or the prepared speech to get the original word flow and idea flow.

Happy New Year.




Gosh!

The Liberals actually do Eat their own!

We learned lessons of honesty in Grade School.
We were taught that impugning the truth, would get us a one-way ticket to H-E-Double-Toothpicks.

Our Grade Schools still teach the same lessons... But, God and Dad are no longer around to back things up.


Good advice, but hypocritical (as usual)
When Fox News went with the Obama/madrassa story, maybe they should not have relied on a dubiously sourced anonymous account from the equally dubious Insight magazine.

And maybe Sean Hannity, and every other conservative talk show host, should have checked out the story before making it their top topic for at least a week.

By the way, where was Mr. Morality, Dennis Prager, when all this was going on?

What it is, is what it is.
Smith said nothing wrong. Actually the manipulation of what he said by groups, websites, organizations,etc. that claim to do good are proving Smith's point. Everyone has a point of view(and a blog for that fact)and facts are facts and with that said something good will come of the whole thing such a honesty and intent. Thank-you

The media distorts
I'm not a famous person, but I was at a 2004 Bush rally when GWB was speaking. He announced that former President Clinton had had a heart attack. The entire classy crowd gasped and was silent. Then the President said "let us hope for his speedy recovery", and the crowd cheered. Now, mind you, this crowd was a crowd of Republican supporters, cheering for the speedy recovery of Bubba Clinton!!

But what did the AP report?!! That a Republican crowd CHEERED WHEN THEY HEARD OF PRESIDENT CLINTON'S HEART ATTACK! OUTRAGEOUS!! WHAT A BALD-FACED LIE, AND TWISTING OF THE TRUTH.

Mom in Wisconsin

Most non Jews do not feel as
passionately about this subject as we do. Especially the younger generations. The farther we get from the ww2 era, the less emotional people feel about it. Most will smith fans will just shrug it off with out a second thought.

Dennis is guilty of this too
You think it better than an inncoent person gets murdered by the state than for a guilty person to be set free. You even go as far to envoke the bible on this issue. Yet you fail to put the context on the bible.
You need at 3 eye witnesses. If one of the eye wittnesses is found faulty they are put to death instead.
killing an innocent is murder wether by an individual or group(the state).
Murder is never justified

Thank you Dennis ....
.... for drawing attention to this collective incompetence by so many news outlets, both mainstream and otherwise. I can deal with a biased press--it has been so since the founding of the Republic. But bias is one thing--brazenly false information is quite another.

The repeated falsifications of Mr. Smith's perfectly sensible observation is particularly infuriating. Mr. Smith is a very wealthy man and he will likely recover (with the help of people like Dennis), but I can imagine that this could have been very damaging to someone whose career and reputation would have been more susceptible to such an undeserved taint.

Same point
I raised this very point in my blog this week. I was thinking about the quote I so often see where George Bush is "quoted" as saying the Constitution is a "damn piece of paper". I can find the quote dozens of places, and even find them citing one another, but can find no original source. The same with an anti-gay quote attributed to Jerry Falwell, it is quoted in a number of "reputable" online articles, but I have yet to find a primary source, or even a precise description of when and where it was supposedly uttered.

(Wikipedia errors are even worse, they get automatically quoted by so many unofficial mirror sites that any mistake in wikipedia instantly produces thousands of google hits. If you want to propagate a lie, just post it to wikipedia in some obscure article and rest assured it will have permeated the web in 24 hours.)

mostly good column
I first saw this story in an article about Smith's clarification and was immediately struck by the oddity in the claim that Smith had said something wrong. (Although that was only possible because the article quoted him accurately).

But it is hard to draw much in the way of lessons from this other than that the media is often inaccurate. One can as easily point to inaccurate quotes like the silly idea that Gore claimed to have invented the internet which have been repeated to death despite being nonsense.

But as good as Prager's overall point is, he cheapens it with the ludicrous charge of lying. Does he really believe that any of the sites posted these articles realizing that they were inaccurate? What would be the point?

There is certainly no standard by which these are lies, and yet Bush's claims about Iraq are not. That is the danger in cheapening the charge of lying as Prager does here.

stuck in junior high? let's grow up.
this is just more evidence of the juvenile mentality of everyone these days whose ears constantly itch for gossip about others...(conveniently disguised in adult language as "information"), whether verifiable or not.We need to "turn away" from this addiction and from our childish ways and ignore this multi-million dollar gossip market. Once its dead, we can maybe begin to know people by their character and gossip as well as gossipers will once again be recognized for what it is and disdained.

Will Smith
Lesson: The tower never says "...not clear for take-off" because the pilot registers the words "...clear for take-off." Never use phrases that can be used against you.

Ya he said that but...
RE: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'Let me do the most evil thing I can do today,'" said Will.

And it is nothing more than a stupid actor writing his own lines and a stupid bloger dealing him a victimization card. All of us should now fell better because the privileged minority can say what ever comes to mind a liberal wingnut like Prager can justify their position. Ya, blame the web Prager but get a job because your part of the problem.


Oops...
And yes, Saddam DID try to acquire yellowcake. His problem was that the Niger government officials turned him down. Put THAT in your crack pipe and smoke it, Goober Boy.

I thought there was something fishy about that whole Will Smith and "Hitler" thing. Smith did not get where he is today by only having two brain cells to rub together, hence this never did sound right. Thank you, Mr. Prager for getting the truth out.

This is nothing new
Tom Baker who played Doctor Who for many years once said that the thing to remember when playing a Villain is that no Villain is a Villain in his own eyes. The desperate sincerity of the Marching Mommies who are trying to babyproof the planet under the delusion that everything can be made safe for unsupervised toddlers are not consciously doing evil; nor are the aarnest greenies who advocate that humanity commit suicide to save the earth for insects, and who claim they would stand by and watch babies die rather than allow a tree to be cut down whose bark could save their lives.

And I am sure that, at least at the beginning of his rule, Hitler actually was as convinced as the Greenies are that what he was doing was ForTheChildren...just as the Marching Mommie who is willing to see children crushed to death in fragile tin can vehicles in order to save the planet from reinforced SUVs....

I'm sorry but
Mr. Prager himself, 'beats around the bush' about what is 'good' and 'evil'.

God portrayed in the OT (Jewish heritage) is nebulous, aloof, too difficult to define with any precision.

Mr. Prager approaches these deep moral issues with like kind of nebulousness.

Take a stand. Define Good and Evil.

Jesus ask a rich young ruler, "Why call me 'good' there is NONE 'good' but God."

What or Who could more precisely define that 'good' than Jesus?


Harry,
I've read some of your posts this AM and you come across as a sad, sad character. Yes, there are people in this country whose political stance is different from yours. Either get over it or continue to post your inane comments. Don't expect, however, to impress anyone simply because you don't like them.

I agree with Chopper
There's enough kaka in this world to have your nose always being rubbed in it. Go rub your nose in your own kaka Harry.

Media and truth
The media lies by ommission. GWB stated words to the effect, "British intelligence has informed us that Saddam Hussein attempted to purchase yellow cake uranium in Niger." This was reported as a Bush lie. If Brit Intel told us that information then it was not a lie. The comment was identified as a lie because they claim Hussien did not attempt to make the buy. To this day Brit Intel stands by their information.

I have been involved in some relatively high profile incidents wherein the media lied about the situation and put me in the hot seat.

Also the person that compared Dennis Prager to a whore you have demonstrated the last resort of a liberal without an argument and that would be name calling.

How dare a Black man act civilized..

If Will Smith was ghetto scum, none of his words would be twisted. Will acts too "White" for the Liberal Democrats.

Democrats do not like it when a Black man breaks "their" stereotype. They want Will to be more like Michael Vick, O.J. Simson, or Bill Clinton.

Wasn't Hitler a Liberal ?

Will Smith Who?
If I begin to watch a movie and I am interested, I may watch it through the end. If any of the Hollywoods say anything away from the film -- I do not care, and it probably was something stupid anyway. What difference does it mean to me if a Hollywood is sleeping with someone - notta. Getting a divorce? Ya don't have to visit Hollywood to see something like that. It is occurring around you at a rate of 50%. Truth is less important now than ever, and it will become worse. Just listen to the presidential candidates who lie about most everything in their past.

Ynet
It is also a good idea to read Ynet in Hebrew. The English version is a sick joke.

Refuting Prager is foolish...
I read the article and then I read the responses from the likes of Harry Krishna, bit_boy,
SeekerOfTruth, knight_of_baawa, and Dennis M and I become so frustrated at their stupidity. I think, "Someone HAS to refute their idiocy! What if someone really buys into that bilge?!"

Then I realize their stupidity is self-evident and self-refuting. Keep it up, guys/gals/other, you're doing a great job of rhetorically burying yourselves.

Good article, as always, Mr. Prager.

Will Smith is no stupid actor
Will Smith is far from a "stupid actor writing his own lines", he is a man who made a bundle in the rap music industry without whoring himself and trying to become a "gangsta", a man who has made himself into one of the most bankable actors in the world, and who has managed to sustain a strong marriage living in the media spotlight. And he may be a liberal, but I don't know that because he is smart enough to keep his political opinions to himself for the most part.

As for this "controversy", it is totally media driven like most other "contriversies" we read and hear about. Will Smith said that he thinks that most people are good, and that even evil people don't think they are doing evil...and I agree with that sentiment. Rare is the time when a person does something that he/she has not convinced themselves is okay, even if they know in their hearts that it's wrong. They do what they do by convincing themselves that they are on the right path. This is just another glaring example of how the media echo chamber works...if they get it from one of their media cohorts, you can just about count on the information being taken at face value. After all, the media is never wrong!

Bears repeating

The media misquotes and makes up "facts" on a daily basis.

Some of the posters must be members of the media.

Reporters
know nothing about what they print. Quite separately from their personal biases, they are generally ignorant of what is going on. They operate under deadline pressure which does not contribute to acuracy. The few times i have known the facts of a story, they were distorted by the time they appeared on MSM, more by ignorance and haste than deliberately. There are many examples: the Duke 3, the stories immediately following the JFK shooting. Always best to wait and see.

2 short dialogues
“That would be a stupid act, if you were to do that.”
“What was that? You calling me stupid?”
“I made no such declaration.”
“You did! I heard you. You said I’m stupid!”
“I made a conditional statement: that IF you were to act in a certain way, the said act—not you—would be a stupid one.”
“So you’re saying I’m stupid.”
“Well, I didn’t, but I think we’ve established that I should.”
“Huh?”

“I may not call Mr John Edwards a bundle of sticks.”
“Ooh, ooh, you said that John Edwards is a bundle of sticks. How dare you, yopu evil person!”
“No, cloth-ears, I was making a joke on political correctness. I said that I couldn’t call him a bundle of sticks—whether or not I believe that he be at all twiggy or sticky—so i didn’t.”
“There! You said it again! Homophobe! Sluut! Man. Hypocrite! You shouldn’t be allowed the right of free speech, you witch!”

How refreshing...
to see in print what most of us thinking people already know-that the majority of the media cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Mr. Prager accurately points out the hypocrisy of world media (and yall thought it was just the US media doing this!). Of course, using the media to disperse lies in an attempt to further a particular agenda isn't new. Hitler did it! And look how affective he was. In the context of Will Smith's statement, I have to say Will Smith is indeed a very intelligent man. Too bad some cannot comprehend a simple statement.

good pt TeeHall
I like the honesty I read from a paper years back that had quoted either Ted Nugent or Alice Cooper (it quoted both, but I forget which said this) saying that if someone has to get their political guidance from a rocker like "me", they're in sad shape. Most celebs have barely a high-school education. Although they have a right to speak, their voice should carry very little credence.


Dennis Prager
Good article. However, I think you are spitting into the wind. You make reference to one 'gossip' column in your article.

The truth is there is no such thing as objective journalism anymore. It is all GOSSIP, SPIN or whatever euphemism you want to call LIES, DISTORTIONS and MIS-Characterizations that are rampant in our print, internet and radio media.

It could be that there has always been bias in reporting...I think back to Roshomon...where the truth is in the eye of the beholder. Or the child's game 'telephone' where the original words are whispered down a line to see how messed up it is at the end.

The problem is that there is No Shame in bearing false witness against anyone. And Will Smith is one of the most POPULAR stars in Hollywood, and has a great reputation. Prime Target.

You might as well paint a bullseye on yourself to be any kind of traditionalist or conservative or decent person and remain in the public eye.

It is a cancer within our society. Thanks for your take on it, but I can't wait to see the spin on your article as the trolls come out to play.

Funny, there are lots of people...
There are lots of people that believe that much of the evil in the world is caused NOT from the desire to do evil, rather it is a perversion of trying to do good, and taking short cuts.

It's can also be the old excuse, "the ends justify the means." too.

It can happen here in the U.S. of A. as easily as it can almost anywhere else - if someone says something enough times and can get the main stream media people to agree to it, embrace it and endorse it.

Harry Krishna
So whores have their standards---WELL, what ARE your standards???

Will Smith's Comments about Hitler
The misinterpretation of Will Smith's comments in Regards to Hitler are a prime example why we lost the war in Viet Nam. The press and politicians gave North Viet Nam The war and they've been back at it again this time to give the war in Iraq to the terriosts and expose this country to repeats of 9-11.

It has been proven, without a doubt that the pen is mightier than the sword especially when the pen is weilded by a bunch of attention seeking minions whom don't know the difference of junk yard journalism and objective journalism-just telling the plain, actual truth.


How In the World
does an article about Will Smith turn into a Bush-bash??? I don't get it, Lon.

Loribme
You are quite right. My opinion of Smith now is of an intelligent fellow quite capable of making thoughtful complex distinctions. How unPC is that?

Truth In Media - A False Promise?
The media pretends to be virtuous, but, in truth, they are all about circulation, nothing more.

henny penny
VERY FUNNY!!! Thanks for the smile!

Shameless plug: For more humor, see My Blog for the latest parody. I even have one on John Edwards!!! (based on the Pointer Sister's Neutron Dance!) Try it! You'll enjoy them, I think.

There most certainly are
People who do wake up in the morning desiring to do evil.

Take many politicians for example. They lie, intentionally, for political gain. In other words, for themselves and their career. If its "all about you" even to the extent of knowingly harming others, its evil. Turning a blind eye to what you know is the truth because you don't care about the consequences to others is evil.

As for Will Smith, he is not as shallow as the bulk of celebrities who's quotes I read, but this shallow comment is not even noteworthy. Evil is done knowingly and more often, unknowingly. Hitler may have come to power with good intentions (I don't know), but to keep and grow power, he obviously woke up many times and made decisions he know were immoral and could only be carried out by force upon his own people.

For this article, Mr. Prager, I do agree 100%. Rare is the article that accurately reflects the content, context, and tone of the interview. No differenct than politicians blurring the simple event of whether or not they voted for or against a bill. Such a simple event, yet who can tell anymore?

Mc Moore
Do you mean that the media is........Heaven forbit............BIG BUSINESS!

Crap
I promised I was going to proofread my posts before submitting them in '08.

A misspelling in my 2nd '08 post.

Oh well. I can still lose 10 pounds this year.

Hitler was self- ish
Biblically speaking we have self driven and Holy Spirit driven. Self seeks our own good and doesn't play well with others, except for advantage. Thus, Hitler didn't see himself as evil but, believing in evolution, as the top of the food chain. Most people today desire to win but don't take total advantage of others to claw to the top in an unjust manor. However, Jesus being already at the top (God), became man (nothing) in order to give the greatest gift. So was Hitler evil? Too most people yes, but that is only because he took his selfishness to a degree that civilized society can't accept. Yet, if we are not truly Christian, we are still self oriented to a hell bent degree. John

reporters
Will mith learned that you can't trust reporters,so from now on he won't be giving interviews very often.A fellow by the name of Rush Limbaugh is constantly misquoted even on here.

Excellent article, great points.
This highlights the laziness and sensationalism of the modern media, which try to sound-bite everything for maximum lure regardless of the truth or falsity of the claim.

Mr. Smith was simply stating a fact that most people had not thought of: Hitler (H), in his own (twisted) mind, was not doing something evil, but something good.

H took a Darwinistic view of *all* life, including human life. He believed that those races and countries that allowed Jews and other "inferior", in his view, humans to "infect" them would eventually lead to their own race's / country's extinction.

It's an idiotic concept without any genuine factual basis, but it is what H believed. When one starts with that as a base belief, though, then the efforts to rid (greater) "Germania" of its "inferior" races can be seen as an act of survival, and thus construed to be good rather than evil.

In Hitler's view, he was simply preserving Germany (and the mythical "Aryan" race).

Smith misquoted
I am sure that a lot of people will continue to believe that Will Smith is some sort of Hitler supporter. The said thing is that the newer generation doesn't know squat about history or Hitler.

Perpetuating Propaganda and Hate
Right. It is unlikely that anyone today can identify who the person really was who was the most evil person who ever lived.

It is also unlikely that Adolf Hitler was so supremely, cosmically, godforsakenly evil as the well-exercised propaganda of the 1940s - and ever after - painted him.

As for "Hate groups"? Is there any group more filled with hate than that group that hates Adolf Hitler?

The Diminishing of Truth
Mr. Prager

While I thoroughly agree with your take on the Will Smith quotes and subsequent articles written in various venues about it, I think there is something of even greater threat to diminishing "Truth" that is found in the very first statement that you quote from Smith. Smith opened that door for the contextual and content related "fiascoes" by declaring one of the greatest deceptions in all of humanity and history as you quoted, "Will believes everyone is basically good."

It is this distortion of Absolute Truth that allows all the other comments to be made with some bit of 'relativistic' truth and opens that door for all other "contexts"! When he made the statement that you quoted, the door was opened to include everyone, and thus, anyone as being 'good'. If we would subscribe to the Truth that man is born until evil and trouble and must be guided and matured into goodness then you don't have any of the other 'out-of-context' statements that can be made.

It is very interesting to see the media (especially the left media) say very little about this as they clearly would not want to 'upset the precious relativistic truths on which most of their reporting is based.' If they did this they would have no foundation, no matter how sandy and shifting it is, on which to base their ever- changing foolish arguments and pretensions!

Thanks for all you do and your articles as I use them at times in my own speaking and radio/TV programs in our local area in Lexington and Central KY!

Happy New Year!

Will, Barak & Adolph
By claiming that Hitler was a “good person”, Smith advances an agenda of ‘moral equivalency’ that will ultimately end in the abandonment and destruction of Israel. After WWII it would have been unthinkable to call Hitler anything but “pure evil”. In earlier generations it would have been politically incorrect to deny Hitler’s genocide. Today, liberals label Pres. Bush,“Hitler” and many don’t raise an eyebrow.
Similarly, after Israel’s War of Independence it would have been unthinkable to call Israel’s Arab neighbors ‘aggressors’. In earlier generations it would have been politically incorrect to deny that Israel was founded as a Jewish State. Today, Hamas homicide bombers are said to have the same moral authority as the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and the Holocaust Denier-and Chief in Iran again threatens destruction of Jews and Israel.
The fact that Smith felt free to use Hitler as an example of his “there’s good in everybody” drivel, illustrates how little today’s liberals care about offending Jewish sensitivities.
Barak Obama’s expressed willingness to talk, to the Hitler of our day - Iran’s Ahmadinejad, is but another extension of the moral equivalency found in Smith’s remarks. Smith has publicly endorsed Barak Obama and ultimately, (G-d forbid) President Obama will appease Islamic Extremists by abandoning America’s historical alliance and support for Israel. After all, we can achieve energy-independence, but as long as we’ve got Israel’s back, Ahmadinejad, Assad and Osama will keep coming after us. The Left’s over-riding effort ‘to just (all) get along’ will lead Smith and his candidate, Obama to throw Israel overboard.
The JDL, whose motto is “Never Again”, wants to arrest and reverse the subtle Anti-Semitism Will Smith has now advanced and by calling on (his) candidate, to repudiate such a statement, they hope to force Obama to stop blurring the line between good and evil and between our allies and our enemies.

Media
"Never believe what you read, and only half of what you see!" This old quote still rings true.

When in my early 20's I worked on a daily newspaper and got to know some of the "responsible" journalists writing the "news." (I did not read the newspapers for years after that.)

It's like playing the old game "telephone" where the same info is passed from person to person, and when the statement gets back to the originator, it is nothing at all what was originally stated!

The Media's "Pursuit of Happyness"
Will Smith's remark obviously was yanked way out of context so as to create the illusion of a "scandal." Smith, bless 'em, just wants to see the good in people, even the worst among us. He's a cool actor (go see "I Am Legend," if you haven't already), but take with a grain of salt the scandal-mongers in the mainstream media.


Let them eat each other alive...
There are two seperate America's and that is a fact. There is Blue America and there is Red America. Let Blue America eat each other alive
any way they can or will. Fine with me.

You may not like what I say about there being two seperate America's. But that is the way it is now. Doubt that ? Well, just spend several
hours each week reading political-comment threads,and you'll change your mind.

Let them eat each other alive...
There are two seperate America's and that is a fact. There is Blue America and there is Red America. Let Blue America eat each other alive
any way they can or will. Fine with me.

You may not like what I say about there being two seperate America's. But that is the way it is now. Doubt that ? Well, just spend several
hours each week reading political-comment threads,and you'll change your mind.

"Film at eleven"
The objective of a newspaper is to sell papers. It is not to print truth. The same can be said for most media. It is often best to go to first person accounts and not soundbites to listen to what someone actually said, as opposed to what someone said they said.

I rarely listen to the major media newscasts anymore. I have learned that bad news sells, good news does not attract viewers as easily. Phrases such as "new developments" or "breaking news" do not get my attention because it they are overused. Those stations or networks that have more positive stories at the end of their newscast I will tune into to hear good news.

I, like many, am a more demanding, discriminating consumer of news and information. When the local paper solicits on the phone to subscribe to their newspaper I reply, "I don't have a dog anymore".

Tibby

Denis M ( As in: you've all heard ...
... of Dennis the Menace - meet Denis the .... [Head]) quite clearly feels his projection of that part of the Socialist Psychopathology that finds moral equivilence among such delusionally fantasized claims as there is a vast right wing conspiracy, Thomas Jefferson sired a mongrel (too) and that the apostate muslime, Rodney B Hussein bin B Hussein bin Hussein Can't We All Just Get Along? King Obama's core wasn't moulded by mad mullahs in an Indonesian madrassa, "balances" out and/or negates Mr Prager's reasoned and factually correct condemnation of the systemic mendacity of the mainstream "press."

But the fascistic activists who have invaded, hostilely colonized and who comprise the world's mainstream media are still but a manifestation of totalitarian evil, the boy 'president" is still impeached, still convicted of major felonies, still disbarred and still a recidivist, treasonous, lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering, co-serial rapist thug -- and Will Smith has still been comprehensively libeled.

Jagman,
I completely agree with you regarding the division in the country. In fact, I think it would be a worthwhile experiment to actually divide into two separate countries based on the voting records of the states. It would possibly be very illuminating to witness the economic results.

Hitler - The model for good politicians.
Regardless of whatever it was that Will Smith said, the basic fact is that Hitler was a great guy who tried to do good things.

Hitler strove to create a state run economy where the government held a great deal of control over privately owned industry. We know that massive governmental regulation is necessary to keep corporations from doing evil.

Hitler saw the members of his Party as being elite when compared to the common man, and worked to ensure this status was maintained. We know that our progressive politicians are more enlightened that the average citizen.

Hitler knew how to work up the emotions of his supporters, and even sacrificed the truth to make his points. He knew that maintaining power was more important than the liberty of the citizenry.

Hitler saw the evil of capitalism, and sought to instill national socialism in its place. We have come to realize the superiority of European socialism, and are making every effort to destroy the foundations of capitalism.

Hitler silenced opposing voices that contradicted the edicts set forth by the enlightened ruling class. We have wisely adopted hate speech laws.

Hitler knew that scientific investigation into theories should be manipulated to ensure the correct answer would result. He did this to show the inferiority of Jews, we need to do it to show the soundness of manmade global warming ideology.

Hitler was a great guy when viewed in the right light.


There are too many reporters ...
... and not enough news, so naturally it has to be made up.

However, there is hope. We can give the public at least some credit:

"You know, I wanted to sit on a jury once, and the judge said to me, ‘Can you tell the truth and be fair?’ And I said, ‘That’s what journalists do.’ And everybody in the courtroom laughed. It was the most hurtful moment I think I’ve ever had.” — Co-host Diane Sawyer on ABC’s Good Morning America July 12, following a report on how some people try to avoid serving on a jury.

Yellow Journalism
I discovered the power of the press in college when we covered the Spanish American War in history. The drive to war was waged predominately in the media by powerful journalist, William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer, who manipulated the "facts" to sell more papers. I saw similar political motivations in the MSM of the late 80s and stopped believing what was reported in the MSM.
The predication of mistrust of the MSM, however, is lacking among the left. After all, the MSM claims to be non-biased.

well gosh, if foxy says
its ok to like Will again,
i'm fine with that!

truth was flushed down the septic tank
when isreal started slaughtering the Palestinians and claimed IT was the victim.

Israel...........sonofsam
Sonofsam, "Truth was flushed down the septic tank when isreal started slaughtering the Palestinians and claimed IT was the victim." And, what planet are you on? Palestinians are the worst led people on this Earth. Anyone who wants to lay down arms against Israel is murdered by some militant Palestinian faction.

Hamas and the PLO
Hamas and the PLO still have the same they have had sine their inception, the complete destruction of Israel. Hate groups in the Middle East worship Hitler.

philro the stupid expert

I'm convinced, in a few short words you have proven yourself an expert on stupidity. Probably didn't even require much home schooling.

Will Smith and evil
Excellent column, and Will Smith was making a legitimate point.

Hitler did do an incredible amount of evil, but I doubt that he considered himself evil. I've learned to never underestimate the human ability to rationalize one's own actions.

What I think people mostly missed (due to rationalization?) is that both good and evil reside in every one of us. Evil isn't just "out there" in people like Hitler; it is "in here" in people like you and me.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn said it so well in "The Gulag Archipelago":

"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhlemed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil."

I'm a Christian, a Calvinist. We call this phenomenon "total depravity," the capacity of all things and all people to exhibit the corruption of sin in every way possible. Error lurks when we consider only ourselves justified and only others evil.

Jim Berkley
Institute on Religion and Democracy


He did imply Hitler was basically good
"Remarkably, Will believes everyone is basically good" and immediately cited the actor saying: 'Even Hitler . . .'"

The word "everyone" includes Hitler, who was then mentioned.

I don't believe Will Smith meant that Hitler was basically good, but that is what he implied.

Prager is wrong when he says that no clarification was necessary.

Its too bad
The New York Post's gossip column, "Page Six," wrote this on Dec. 30: "December 27, 2007 -- Will Smith wisely backed away from comments he made to a Scottish reporter about Adolf Hitler." In fact, Smith never "backed away" from his comments, and there was nothing to back away from.
-------

Everyone does not have the 20/20 vision for today as they have for the 1930's-40's.

Hitler was loved by the Germans....for a time.

Bout like some among us love Hilliary, Obama, Edwards, Romney, or Huckabee and McCain.





Mangosta, perpetuating the error
"believes everyone is basically good" was the INTERPRETATION of the reporter, not Smith's actual words. The media, it would appear, just cannot allow any man, even a movie star, to be too good.

This is the problem with today's "journalism": the reporter providing his own translation of the facts rather than "just the facts, ma'am". It makes for bad journalism, which makes for an ill-informed public, which makes for subversive activism, which makes for bad law and a loss of freedom. Everything we read ought to be taken with a grain of salt and a discerning palate.

Destinybender
I'm not certain I agree with you in regards to your statement:

"The fact that Smith felt free to use Hitler as an example of his “there’s good in everybody” drivel, illustrates how little today’s liberals care about offending Jewish sensitivities."

I think his comments are being taken out of context completely, and I don't wish to have people walk on egg shells during public discourse to be in constant worry of my own sensitivies.

There are people here for example, Sonofsam, who is a classic anti-semite and regardless of what he says, we know what he is, he makes no apologies for it either. He is a classic turd.

But Will Smith, who is talented and used to being fed lines from a script and given direction on his every move, had a moment of his own autonomy. He said something harmless and in no way was he praising Hitler, but he left himself open for MSM fodder.

There are real anti-semites out there and there is also real evil. If we were to focus on them more than the trivial nonsense we do today, like for instance Imus, we'd be much better off.

We need to be able to hear things, put them rationally into context and not have a knee jerk reaction and play right into the hands of the hate mongers.

Oneofthose
"I have to wonder if it is futile because it is impossible to understand on a purely intellectual level alone. there is another element involved. Intellect is not suspended, but enhanced."

Agree, it is not possible. Faith lies outside, before or beyond, reason. I can get close, to some degree--sort of like faith can get close to knowing truth, as I just brought up to dullhammer. Anyway, way I see it we're all in the same boat and I might as well get to know ya'all.

"I just wonder, if LSB is sincere in his desire to understand why doesn't he simply ask the Author to explain His work? Just say,'I don't know if you are there or not, and I don't really think you are, but if you are, show me, I really want to know.'"

Oh, I have, at times, but I get no response. Like you say to begin with, intellect, reason, gets in the way. Who is the Author, what's His nature, I start asking myself, why do I think He listens, or responds? No, you've got to have faith first, but I have no idea what to have faith in.

I don't question His existence, nor do I question spirituality (1 Corinthians 2:14), but man's concepts of Him and it.

Opps
wrong thread, lol.

Will Smith on Hitler
Julz -

Nowhere in his article does Prager accuse reporter Synnot of lying or distorting, only those who wrote about Synnot's article.

Based on your interpretation - which is probably correct - he should have.


An unintentional distortion by Synnot
Viewing the remarks in the context of the article, it appears to be sloppiness on the part of the reporter (or editor?). Likely we'll never know what if any dialogue didn't make it into print, but to follow "basically good" by the reporter with Will Smith's "even Hitler" was a stretch that would give most discerning journalists pause.

Smith, and correction to Seekerof Truth
I have to say, I don't think liberals are lying here. They are wrong, but they believe that Smith WAS praising Hitler, because they value MOTIVES over EFFECT in policy. So saying that Hitler wanted to do some form of what he saw (incorrectly, duh) as good must mean that you are saying he had good motives, and thus he was saying that Hitler was good.
I guess for some people, well versed in "nuance" the difference between having good intentions and intending good is too hard to discern. Hitler may have intended good, subjectively, but that doesn't mean that his intentions were good, objectively.


"_SeekerOfTruth_ writes: Tuesday, January, 01, 2008 8:17 PM
Dennis is guilty of this too
You think it better than an inncoent person gets murdered by the state than for a guilty person to be set free. You even go as far to envoke the bible on this issue. Yet you fail to put the context on the bible.
You need at 3 eye witnesses. If one of the eye wittnesses is found faulty they are put to death instead.
killing an innocent is murder wether by an individual or group(the state).
Murder is never justified "
Your post is off topic, hardly analagous, and would only make sense as a criticism if Dennis didn't, every single time he brought up the subject, say that he wanted "some murderers to die"--not all, some, which would certainly leave room for an exception regarding insufficient evidence. By the way, I think you want to look up what murder is--intentional killing of an innocent person. executing an innocent without knowing so is tragic, but not intentional short of gross negligence.

I can't attribute the quote...
--
...(much as I'd like to), but it was obvious that Will Smith was making much the same point as a writer who'd commented that "Nobody is the villain of his own personal soap opera."

To the extent that we consider ourselves as protagonists in our own lives, not even the most marginally functional person can see himself as a thoroughgoing villain.

Even a self-acknowledged antihero is fundamentally a "good guy" in his own eyes.

Even Hitler or Hillary.


--

Planet of the Perpetually Offended
I could use a few expletive deleted's right now, but I've already had to undergo one name change on this board. I am so sick of what this country/world has become. A bunch of whiny, crybabies. No mind, no wisdom, no understanding of truth, wrong is right, right is wrong, etc... We have become a world of the Perpetually Offended; and it just makes me want to hurl!!!

Will Smith, the media, and Dennis Prager
Dennis is correct, and thank goodness Will Smith mentioned Hitler (whether misquoted or not) so that Dennis can talk about Hitler...again!

Dennis himself could well learn to read the entire article before making comments, especially live on the radio. He's been busted before for commenting without reading to the end of an article.

Newspapers, right or wrong, follow a simple strategy: Provocative headline followed by full story. It's a gimmick that sometimes works and often fails in disseminating truth.

Dennis, who was taken by Uri Geller's scam...live on the radio...should heed his own advice of researching prior to commenting. Had he bothered, he would not have made a fool of himself when Uri scammed him with a simple magic trick.


Dennis Is Not God, To Be Everywhere
Dennis M wrote:
Tuesday, January, 01, 2008 5:20 PM
Good advice, but hypocritical (as usual)

By the way, where was Mr. Morality, Dennis Prager, when all this was going on?"
---
A Spicy Reply:
Why is it that an excellent message like this one becomes hypocritical? The answer is simple. It truly reflects the truth about the MSM and pundits.

Building news on hearsay and opinion may sell the news while it destroys the delicate fabric of communication. Opinions, like a feather or puffs of smoke, are carried about, by every windstorm or balmy weather.

Vote in ignorance, fear or desperation and reap an unsuspected flawed election. Taking aim while blindfolded as we pulling the trigger and claiming that, what we hit was our target. “Or marry in haste and repent in leisure.”

Dennis Prager is writing about the puffs of smoke signals by MSM that entertain but do not yield any historical or practical value. Immature minds would rather be entertained, and trained to think right so we can be lead blind like sheep to the slaughter.

A Very timely and needed message.

A careful thought
Does This Prove Mormons Are Not Christians?
http://e-spirituality.townhall.com/g/0e9dda84-8992-42e6-a4d 8-e0035314e3a5

Media Will, Apparently, Pay no Price
There, how’s that for a headline?

Well, Duh! You’ll be living in some cave north of Nepal before media will pay any price.

Are you kidding? Media measures success by how well it garners attention, not its accuracy. If authenticity mattered at all, no one would watch, listen or read the pabulum that passes for reporting.

The only price media will pay is for more pictures of Brittany’s breakdown or movie rights to the Anna Nicole story.


Hosea text
Sorry, Dennis, the text is Isaiah 5.20.Good text.

Lying and consequences
Reminds me of an event yesterday, after Dennis finished a debate in Minneapolis, in which he suggested that the ten commandments were a good basis for morality. I tried to explain to Dennis that a more objective basis of morality than an ancient scripture written by people we don't know would be simple logical consistency, as suggested by the Golden Rule and Immanuel Kant's categorical imperative. Dennis immediately acted as if this was a threatening idea and tried to close it off my insisting "well, you just believe whatever Kant says"--which is both false and as silly as suggesting that someone believes in whatever Einstein says just because one accepts the theory of relativity. I tried to correct him and he again insisted that I was simply trying to base ethics on logic because Kant told me to.

I told him point-blank that this was a lie and asked him to stop lying about me. He then started shouting loudly at me to get away from him, as if I was some kind of python. I guess pointing out that he was a lier was more than he could take, and lacking any reasonable defense he had to rely upon the force of his voice. He safely escaped any consequences of this event, but in light of his recent indignation about some other media sources misrepresenting someone else's words because it was convenient for them, quite ironic. I guess he thinks morality doesn't apply to him when he doesn't want it too--no wonder he was so scared of the possibility of a *truly* objective basis of ethics!
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