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Tuesday, December 11, 2007
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
In Politics Values Matter, Not Theology
by Dennis Prager
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There are some Americans -- presumed usually to be evangelical Christians -- for whom voting for a Mormon for president of the United States is difficult, if not impossible. While I will try to show these voters why that decision is wrong on religious as well as moral grounds, it is important for the rest of us to understand their opposition.

Most traditional Christians regard Mormonism not merely as not Christian, but as a falsification of it. It does not matter to the vast majority of evangelicals if a candidate is a Christian. Most are quite prepared to vote for a non-Christian -- a Jew, for example. And they are certainly prepared to vote for Christians with whom they differ theologically -- whether non-evangelical Protestants or Roman Catholics.

But they do not regard Mormons as fellow Christians with whom they differ theologically; they regard them as having a theology so different from mainstream Christianity that they are no longer Christian. It is quite possible, even likely, that if Mormons simply announced they were not Christian, but a new religion, even one based on belief in Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God, evangelicals would have fewer objections to voting for a Mormon with whom they shared social values. Rightly or wrongly, many evangelicals resent Mormons calling themselves Christian.

It is analogous to the resentment among Jews of "Jews for Jesus." What Jews resent is not that a Jew who adopts Christian beliefs has become a Christian -- most Jews recognize that in a free society people convert to and from all religions. What many Jews resent is that "Jews for Jesus" call themselves Jews and not Christians after leaving Judaism (even while continuing to identify ethnically as Jews) and embracing Christianity. So, too, it is that Mormons call themselves Christians while embracing a different belief system that rankles so many traditional Christians.

It is not for this Jew to define a Christian. I only explain evangelical Christian opposition to Mormons calling themselves Christians to make the point that even as I understand their opposition to Mormons calling themselves Christian, I equally oppose voting for anyone based on his theology. Evangelicals have the right to proclaim Mormons as non-Christians, but they hurt themselves and their country if they measure a candidate's theology. They should concern themselves with a man's theology only when choosing a religious leader. When choosing a political leader, theology should not count.

The reason is -- and I have come to this conclusion after a lifetime of interaction with people of almost all faiths and writing about and studying religion -- theology does not appear to have much impact on people's values. Liberal Christians and Jews share virtually no theological beliefs yet think alike about virtually every important social value. So, too, conservative Christians and conservative Jews share virtually no theological beliefs, yet they think alike about virtually every important social value.

Meanwhile liberal and conservative Protestants are in agreement on theological matters -- both believe in the Trinity, in the Messiahship of Jesus, on Jesus being the Son of God, on salvation through faith rather than through works, and more -- yet they differ about virtually every social value. Obviously, shared theology doesn't create shared moral or social values.

Or take Judeo-Christian values. I have written 24 columns explicating the meaning of Judeo-Christian values, yet never once used the term "Judeo-Christian theology" because there isn't a Judeo-Christian theology. Judaism and Christianity differ on most of the major beliefs of Christianity -- the Trinity, the place of Jesus, whether the Messiah has come, the nature of salvation, and more. But they share almost every important social and moral value. Once again, the relationship between shared theology and shared values is next to nil.

Therefore the theological beliefs of a public figure should matter only when one is choosing a theological leader, never a political leader -- unless those beliefs form the basis of social and moral values that one abhors. It is very important to know the theological beliefs of one's clergyman or the head of one's seminary, but as far as the head of one's country is concerned, only his moral and social values matter. I would much sooner vote for an agnostic whose values I shared than for a believing Christian or Jew whose values I did not share.

None of this is an endorsement of Mitt Romney's candidacy or of his values. It is an endorsement of the irrelevance of his theological beliefs.

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Dennis Prager is a radio show host, contributing columnist for Townhall.com, and author of 4 books including Happiness Is a Serious Problem: A Human Nature Repair Manual.
 
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Exponent

"Credibility is lost when resorting to the deliberate use of rude expressions.
You might as well wave the white flag now and relinquish your ability to effectively defend your position. It also doesn't serve one's character well."

Sorry but Dennis should be able to shoulder a little 'push' here and there and if he's offended than too bad... that's the life he chose when he decided to 'debate' pressing, but more often tenuous, issues on a nationally syndicated radio talk show...

And to be honest... there's nothing I need to defend... it's not my radio show and it's not my position...

What I implied is fairly simple to see and in the traditional sense, is clearly implicit in highly polarized politic-ing... the likes of which Dennis chooses to take part in...

Dennis really doesn't care too much about a candidates 'values'.. rather he's more concerned with their ability to beat the competition... Simple as that...

RRed

Excuse Me?

In the first place I do not resent Mormans whether or not they "claim to be Christians falsely" and think there are many things Christians can learn from them.
In the second place there is most certainly a difference between those who are annoyed at Morman claims(rightly or wrongly) and those who resent Mesianics. The Mormans are claiming to be doctrinally the same as Christians. It has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity.
In the third place the treatment given to Messianics by both Christians and Jews is indecent. From Christians it is inhospitable. From Jews it is a demand that someone choose between his beliefs and his kin. Demanding hypocrisy as a price of acceptance is a form of tyranny. And if perchance Christianity is right, that demand is worse as it imperils peoples souls. If I had been a Jew I probably would have remained so out of loyalty. And if Christianity was true as well I might have gone to hell for loyalties sake(assuming Exclusivism to be true). So I have very little sympathy. It is a form of bullying. It is also a form of cowardice(the two go together)as it implies that Jews are fearful of philosophical competition. It is more worthy of Jihadists then of otherwise civilized folk like the Jews.

Ken
Call it what you want. I take solace in the fact that I am a Christian and I will not judge you. I am perfectly happy to allow my Savior, Jesus Christ, to judge between us - because that is His job, not mine and not yours. I feel I am in good company because they also said this of Jesus and His followers, of whom I am one.

If you define a cult as one who does not accept the creeds, formulated by man - without biblical basis - count me in. However, I do believe in what has been revealed to me by the Holy Ghost.

Soldier
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. The only thing you have done is vindicate my belief that Mormonism is a cult.

Ken
I am glad I could help you understand the plain words that the Bible teaches.

Soldier
You've all but made my point for me. Thanks.

Ken
I am saying exactly what Paul said, "though there be gods many and lords many for us there is but one God, God the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. I've answered the question many times over and in many ways. Unlike you guys I do try to answer the questions that you guys ignore.

Soldier
So are you saying that Mormons believe in many gods?

Dark Matter
Pornography if considered obscene (most would be)can still be illegal. There are a lot of Republican and Democratic DAs who are not prosecuting because of limited resources. Apparantly more attention is going to trying to prevent child pornography. Also, successful prosecutions are difficult with pornography.

Your rhetotic isn't very Christian by the way. Does that mean you are not one?

The Lamb of God
[12] Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
[13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
[14] And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.



The following may answer some biblicqal questions:

[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Merry Christmas

Scottie
I understand that that is what Dennis is saying.

What I am also saying is that there ISN'T a common theology between Kennedy and I, but Dennis assumes there is. And by NOT examining what Dennis believes is a commone theology, Dennis is thus led into his erroneous conclusions.

Thank you for your kind response. :)

Dark Matter
I think Dennis would say that rather than evaluate your claimed adherence to the same religion, one should evaluate the actual values you each take from that religion. It's not that you are both Christians that causes the divide, it is the different values you champion despite sharing a common theology. I believe that was the whole point of the post.

DENNIS IS WRONG
Dennis uses an incorrect premise to draw an incorrect conclusion. His main point is that the same religion can lead to different values so we must not examine the religion because it doesn’t explain the differing values among the same set of believers. This is false.

Ted Kennedy and I say we are Christians. But Ted belongs to a political party that promotes pornography (through the erroneous use of the First Amendment), promotes the slaughter of 48 million innocent unborn through abortion, and promotes homosexual marriage.

No true Christian could associate himself with that much darkness. It is impossible. And the ONLY way we can determine whose values are not correct (Ted's or mine) is by examining the alleged “common” religion Dennis would say Ted and I have.

What about the claim that members of the KKK are/were Christian? One of these things cannot be true as they are mutually exclusive. The New Testament doesn't teach such a value.

This same faulty reasoning leads a good many people, and too many Jews as well, to honestly believe a Christian could have been a Nazi. This is a terrible insult. There is no such teaching in scripture.

Dennis’s incorrect premise, taken to its logical end leads us to this idea: Christians can be Nazis and Nazis can be Christians; or Christians may not be Nazis. This is ludicrous!

The only way to find out if the values I have and Ted has are Christian values is for us to examine the Christian holy texts and compare Ted and I to them. And THIS is precisely what Dennis is asking us not to do.

What truly enlightened mind willing promotes this form of "recommended" ignorance?

Dennis's theory winds-up lumping us all together: me, KKK members who claim to be Christians, Nazi’s who went to Church, and the porno, pervs, and abortionists in the democrat party who claim to be Christians.

For all your eloquence, Dennis, you failed to exercise righteous judgment.

Religious beliefs have an important
but indirect effect on a candidate's political stances. Indirect, because the candidate himself decides which aspects of his religious beliefs apply to his political actions, and how strongly. My own religious beliefs include the sancticity of life, but politically i support the death penalty under some circumstances, because other factors apply. Mitt's religion has had no negative effects on his political stances i can see. Having said that, he is not my favorite candidate. As of now, i would vote for him if nominated, and hope.

you people are crazy
I doubt its going to have any effect over making the mormon church any more or less legitimate than it already is. People who would choose or not choose a president based on religious theological ideals, or worse yet...as a stunt because they are afraid that a particular religion will be become more or less powerful..... are as foolish as the people that destroyed the WTC on 911.

Vote for the guy or girl that will do the most good for your country in the ways they say that they want to. Get to the real issues that the presidents can address. It is utterly middle ages minded.

That's the equivalent of women voting for Hilary just so that a women will be president, regardless of what she plans to do...or the man that may believe in everything Hilary stands for but is not ready for a female president. its completely foolhardy to vote for a president on those kinds of principles. You are seriuosly more concerned about your evangelical force of strength then the real political issues this country needs to face?


Fear not
Anyone fearing that Mitt plans to start a Federal Church of Mormanism should really relax. What are there five mormans in congress? He hardly has the numbers to force all Americans to become Mormans. Furthermore, I doubt he has any such intentions.

In Life, Theology Matters
Politics is part of life.

While I'll agree that a conservative anything is better than a liberal, I disagree that theology should no role in determining who to vote for in the primaries.

Mormons, unlike Jews, are fiercely evangelical.

Electing a Mormon president could lend credibility to their faith, which I believe is a fraud and an affront to Christianity.

Mormons have been duped and are attempting to fool more Americans. Let's not help them.

RRed
Credibility is lost when resorting to the deliberate use of rude expressions.
You might as well wave the white flag now and relinquish your ability to effectively defend your position. It also doesn't serve one's character well.

Regarding Mr. Huckabee in relation to Mr. Prager's column, I get the impression that Mr. Huckabee and many others fail to understand (or give the impression as such) something. While religion can and does have a bearing on Mr. Romney's view on the world (or anyone for that matter), it doesn't automatically dictate policy.

Ken
Since you don't like my explanation of 1 Corinthians perhaps you can also explain the plural marker -im on the word for God in Genesis in the original Hebrew. The word for a single God in Hebrew is Elowahh, Genesis in the creation story uses the word Elohim. -im is the plural marker for masculine nouns. (-ot is used for feminine nouns). Even in the English version the Bible tells us that God said "Let US make man in OUR image and after OUR likeness". We do indeed believe (because not to do so would not be logical) in generations of a Heavenly Family. But our father is God the Father, the only God for us and the only one we worship through His son Jesus Christ. This is Biblical and it makes complete sense.
Read Romans 8:16 where it says we are heirs of God and joint-heirs with Jesus Christ. An heir is one who will receive all powers, principalities - all that his Father hath - just as the Bible teaches. If we recieve all that the father hath that includes title. Think about it!

Sarah
Hey Sarah, I cannot figure out if you hate Romney because he is wealthy (He earned every penny) or he is a Mormon (don't worry about anothers faith, worry about your own) or he is a great problem solver, genious in fact (tearing down another solves nothing) - why don't you tell us who you want, not who you don't want, because you aren't convincing anyone.