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Tuesday, October 09, 2007
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
Colorado State University Shames Itself
by Dennis Prager
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On Sept. 21, 2007, the editorial board of the Colorado State University student newspaper decided to publish a four-word editorial. Apparently finding the traditional mode of expressing ideas -- arguing a case in a few hundred words -- too demanding, they instead wrote four words: "Taser this … F--- Bush." Needless to say, they spelled out the F word.

The "Taser" referred to the police using a stun gun on a student at the University of Florida who refused to relinquish the microphone to other students at a speech at the university given by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. (How George Bush is connected to the use of a Taser on a left-wing student interrupting a speech by a left-wing anti-Bush senator was never explained by the editor.)

When universities were governed by people -- either liberals or conservatives -- who valued civilization i.e., before the contemporary left took over the universities, such an "editorial" was inconceivable. It would have been regarded as the work of moral and intellectual idiots whose political philosophy, to the extent that they had any, was anarchism.

But not today. It cannot be stated often enough that our universities generally are run by fools who are breeding a generation of fools. There are, of course, many exceptions, but these exceptions have little impact on the deconstruction of civilization and the breeding of anti-intellectuals taking place at our universities.

The more one knows about what happened at Colorado State University the more this grim assessment of our universities makes sense.

First, the "editorial" itself: It was purely a tantrum, the likes of which we associate with little children. But the editor, David McSwane, is a child; and his editorial board, which unanimously supported the four-word "editorial," is composed of children. Indeed, immaturity is a major feature of college life. For most students, college delays, rather than fosters, the maturing process. Universities, once founded to take young people and help mold them into adults, now work to keep them from becoming adults.

One reason tantrums in place of reasoned arguments are acceptable to the left-wingers at Colorado State (and elsewhere) is the importance the left puts on feelings. If one is really, really angry at President Bush, one should so emote. That's one reason (the other is an acceptance of public cursing) "Buck Fush" bumper stickers are common; why Code Pink anti-war women had a tantrum at the Congressional hearings on the war in Iraq; why the left has substituted feel-good textbooks for objective history books; why the left supports the student self-esteem movement and the abolition of competitive sports that make losers feel bad; among many other examples.

In light of the feelings-based anti-intellectualism that permeates the left, it is surreal that the left routinely accuses those who criticize the low state of our universities as "anti-intellectual." It is so clearly a form of projection. Those of us who lament the state of our universities are protectors of the intellect; it is the feelings-based "F--- Bush"-"Buck Fush" left that is the anti-intellectual part of the political spectrum. That is why Colorado State University, while mildly criticizing the editor -- for using an expletive -- would not remove him, let alone the whole editorial board.

Read this report from CNN, and then weep for our society:

"Speaking for the board that oversees student media, CSU faculty member Jim Landers read a prepared statement and refused to comment further. 'We see the editorial as an opinion which is protected by the First Amendment,' Landers read."

Two sentences that say so much. The misunderstanding of freedom of speech is breathtaking. Retaining or firing the CSU editor had nothing to do with freedom of speech. It had to do with whether someone who abuses the editorial space of a major university newspaper is fit to be its editor. But the left confuses freedom with license (just as it confuses tolerance with acceptance). And so, in the name of protecting freedom, an obscene violation of elementary standards of intellectual coherence and decency went unpunished.

The other illuminating aspect of those two CNN sentences was that professor Landers "refused to comment further." Why? The reason is apparent to anyone familiar with our universities: Liberal professors are unused to being challenged. They are not challenged by other professors, and they hardly are challenged by 19- or 20-year-old students. Professor Landers was not about to open himself to intellectual challenges now.

Likewise, the child-editor himself, "refused to comment," according to CNN. When you retain your job as editor-in-chief of a university newspaper after writing a four-word editorial consisting solely of "'F---' the President of the United States," why would you feel it necessary to explain yourself? Like his mentor, professor Landers, McSwane is aware on some level that he has no intellectual or moral defense for what he did. And like the professor, he feels no obligation to the society-at-large whose mores he so offended.

As for the other students on the newspaper's editorial board, The New York Times reported: "Hailey McDonald, The Collegian's managing editor, said Mr. McSwane had the full support of the newspaper's student leadership." And CNN reports that Sean Star, another member of The Collegian's editorial board, "expressed his admiration for McSwane."

Finally, let it be noted that the CSU faculty apparently has said next to nothing about the four-word large-font "editorial." Why not? Because, as the Talmud said 1,600 years ago, "Silence is agreement." If questioned, one suspects that nearly all the silent professors of Colorado State University would respond that this was a freedom of speech issue.

Of course, it is not. And that is proved easily: What if an editor had published a four-word large-font editorial that read "F--- Martin Luther King Jr."? Would the professors have kept silent because they deemed the issue one of freedom of speech? Would The New York Times and virtually every other liberal editorial page in America have said nothing about that editorial, as they have said nothing about the "F--- Bush" editorial?

CSU's retaining an editor who wrote four words, including the F word, in a huge font instead of an editorial is one more reason I have come to believe that, with regard to universities, no society has ever paid so much to so many to have its children so alienated from it.

In each case, just as in the disastrous invitation to Ahmadinejad, liberals feel good about their intentions and therefore about their decisions. But few, if any, of those decisions are wise. This is not surprising. A generation whose primary goals have included overthrowing Judeo-Christian values, which once said, "Don't trust anyone older than 30," and which has rejected external moral authority (God, parents, teachers, religion) is not going to be wise. And absence of wisdom is why Columbia University and The New York Times thought inviting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was a good idea.

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Alumni Speaks
I attended CSU in the late 60’s. The school and students have always been afflicted by a CU-Boulder (University of Colorado) wannabe complex.

Today’s student body (I've spoken at length with the student paper's editorial staff) are inane and generally ignored by the more-conservative surrounding community, who sadly shoulder the burden of rising property taxes.

Solution? Disestablish public education by changing the funding formula...now!

You said a mouthful!
"But the left confuses freedom with license (just as it confuses tolerance with acceptance)."

That one statement just about sums it up; moral confusion is rampant as words have been twisted to mean things they cannot possibly mean. Thus, it is the height of speeech to write "F--- Bush" as though it really means anything. but the young bugger feels good about himself, so what else matters? How long before he's writing for the Times, WaPo, or Newsweek? He certainly has the right credentials now.

State of shambles
Excellent column, Dennis. Our universities are in a state of shambles. Remember, never trust anyone under 30. CSU should be renamed Flippant University, or FU for short.

But, the F--- Bush was the part that
made the message acceptable! Without it, the story would NOT have made any sense. As you say, A student tasered at a liberal speech at a liberal university. THAT would have been the story. UNACCEPTABLE to liberals.
So, just insert the liberal passwords FB. Viola, all is right. THEY KNOW we object to that message, so they reported the story but nothing really comes of that story. It is buried underneath the FB.

People: Close your wallets!
Walter Williams has the answer of how to change the thought processes at these alleged institutions of higher learning. It goes something like: "Everyone understands the sound of a wallet snapping shut." I know that is not his exact quote, but you get the idea.

For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone would donate money to a university when this type of stuff is rampant all across the country.

In this case I seem to remember a local advertiser cancelling their contract and the "newspaper" lost $30K in ad revenue. And I believe they had to lay off some of the employees. Is that correct?

"Taser this … F--- Bush"
Sounds like the perfect thesis for someone going for their graduate degree in a progressive program like Beanbag Studies!

The ironic part is how the funds to support such nonsense largely come from sectors of society that the liberals despise the most. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

http://klintons.com




leaders of tomorrow?
This pretty well sums up a liberal arts education in a liberal college or university today: ample use of the F-word and regularly giving the finger. And these graduates will be our "leaders" of tomorrow?

American college education has tumbled a long way down from the lofty foundings and ideals of the once-great institutions of higher learning.

mavtek, like any good liberal
when you cannot make a sensible argument for or against the topic, just CHANGE the subject, call the columnist a name or insult, then show the world how much more superior YOU are over and above anyone else (at least in your own mind.)
So typical.

Mavtek...
...is a perfect example of public education gone horribly wrong. He apparently can't grasp the subject of this blog, or is too stupid to post a reasoned argument. So, when one (like Malvek) has a huge ego, an undeveloped brain and a defective education (spelled p-u-b-l-i-c e-d-u-c-a-t-i-o-n) he does what any liberal of his ilk does: write a smarmy post full of hackneyed platitudes which has nothing to do with the subject being discussed.

Why is it that these egotistical little pimple farmers, who were but mere high school brats just months before, given any kind of credence simply because their desk now resides in a college classroom instead of Bohunk HS?

Five Checks!
Thank you Mr. Prager for the logical and thought provoking article! I usually save 5 checks for outstanding columns, and this one got 5.(Along with the majority of Dr Williams and T. Sowell's columns.)

I agree with Flagwaver's comments as well. It sums up the average liberal's thinking.

I have for some time now realized that a liberal takeover is akin to the children running the household.

Mavtek embodies Prager's thesis
I couldn't have invented an example of such pertinent leftie idiocy such as that exhibited by Mavtek if I had tried.

So what is new?
Big deal, so the kid is an uneducated liberal. That is why he is in school. Yes Virginia college is still a school. When and if he receives his degree. Possibly in glass blowing or Political science, either would be great as they both require a lot of hot air. You must understand he is a grandchild of the 60s. Free sex, drugs, lovins and a host of other academic activities. His free thinging,minds blind ,,drug stupefied professors are not up to the challenge of educating someone so they merely preach their liberal slop and the like pigs at feeding time they eat it up not even bothering to think of it as GARBAGE. Just look to their idol's defining moment of thought, It depends how what you mean by "is". such intellect is to be admired

CSU's Failure--and Shame
What that editor wrote makes no sense except that it illustrates the CSU has failed to educate at least one student on how to make a logical, coherent argument. The so-called "editorial" could have been ejaculated by any punk kid who couldn't even make it through high school. The best and the brightest(?)liberals and the institutions that spew them out are actually the 21st Century barbarians who, as Prager writes, are emotional delinquents and nihilists, hammering away at a civilization painstakingly built over centuries by intelligent, thoughtful giants who knew how to express themselves intelligently in speeches, books, and, yes, editorials.

WoW!!
I just read this to my 14 yo son. And, with a smile on his face he said, WTF?!! Naturally, I washed his mouth out with soap and dropped his funny little self. He said it was disgusting and how do people actually think this should be passed off as Freedom of Speech rather than utter(his word) disrespect!!!


Libs embrace scumbags
Hitlary is bringing back Sandy Burgular and Ward Churchill, a pseudo indian, artist, and teacher will be back at CU.

BTW, check my blog for Pt2 as well as a test of your quote knowledge.

I would much rather...
...live outside an Army post than a college campus.You get a much higher quality and more mature type of young person and certainly more law abiding.And any young soldier who embarrasses the commander of the post is in very deep trouble.

Mavtek
Dude, see a doctor about that HUA problem you've got.

Orwell wasn't the only one
who saw this coming. I think CS Lewis said it all in a nutshell;

"What I want to fix your attention on is the vast overall movement towards the discrediting, and finally the elimination, of every kind of human excellence -- moral, cultural, social or intellectual. And is it not pretty to notice how 'democracy' (in the incantatory sense) is now doing for us the work that was once done by the most ancient dictatorships, and by the same methods? The basic proposal of the new education is to be that dunces and idlers must not be made to feel inferior to intelligent and industrious pupils. That would be 'undemocratic.' Children who are fit to proceed may be artificially kept back, because the others would get a trauma by being left behind. The bright pupil thus remains democratically fettered to his own age group throughout his school career, and a boy who would be capable of tackling Aeschylus or Dante sits listening to his coeval's [of the same age] attempts to spell out A CAT SAT ON A MAT. We may reasonably hope for the virtual abolition of education when 'I'm as good as you' has fully had its way. All incentives to learn and all penalties for not learning will vanish. The few who might want to learn will be prevented; who are they to overtop their fellows? And anyway, the teachers -- or should I say nurses? -- will be far too busy reassuring the dunces and patting them on the back to waste any time on real teaching. We shall no longer have to plan and toil to spread imperturbable conceit and incurable ignorance among men." C. S. Lewis

Idealistic Rantings
This has nothing to do with amendments, right or wrong, behavior, or misunderstanding, it is all about political power. These 4 words appeal to the ignorant "Bush haters" of the Democrat Party, a significant part of the party base--let the 4 words stand; they will please the base and help to solidify their continued support. If as the Liberals imply, the United States is "mooning" the rest of the world, Colorado is properly positioned to be the big "Brown Ring" between the 2 cheeks.

Beckie
Perfect. Public education in a nutshell.

Voldemort
Another fool heard from. You little morons just can't help showing what idiotic fools you are can you? It used to baffle me until I was showed this link:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Banks
As usual, you miss the point. It isn't the fact that some student newspaper showed bad taste. It's the fact that the crummy university, instead of yanking the little moron off the staff, is defending the idiot. Again, what do you think the crummy university's reaction would be if the headline had been F*%# Martin Luther King?

Creatures from the 1960s????
And who are the proud parents of these fascinating children who have this large intellectual capacity to think up such velvet words? It is a 60s mentality, a period when the U.S. was a learning black hole that had a lasting effect -- children of the tried-it-but-didn't-inhale era.

Voldemort
The headline at the CSU paper re:Bush reminds me of a note I would expect to catch mid-schoolers passing in class.


Voldemort re:tazing

The young man at the Kerry rally was loking for publicity and little else.


Voldemort , you prove your own fallacy

quote from you:"Dissenting voices are routinely eradicated here, strictly for the content of the posters' speech. "

yet I count over six posts by you.

Those 4 words
Are the usual level of discourse when you deal with BDS sufferers who deal in hysteria and hyperbole rather than facts and reality.

After all these years I still haven't heard the "lie" Bush has told.

Communist S U
Colorado was a "fair" state in the early 80s but with the infiltration of Californians and illegal alliens, this state is now communistic in nature. CSU was a little behind CU in the movement towards communism but today both are full-blown communist .

Roy Romer was a leader in the communist/nazi movement. RINO Roy Romer didn't really care about the movement (a traitor to constitutionalists). Bill Ritter is indeed a "hard core" communist/nazi who, with the aid of Californian immigrants and Mexican illegals, is seeking to turn the state into full-blown communism/nazi-ism. Won't be much longer and Ritter will have Colorado in the state that Canadian communis/nazi Jennifer Granholm has the state of Michigan (elderly life-time residents of MI are being financially "raped" by Granholm).

University Universe
In his early-on remarks, Flagwaver was indeed right. Freedom vs. license, tolerance vs. acceptance. These are hardly the only terms that the left has misinterpreted or deliberately perverted (lust vs. love was my generation's contribution to rhetorical mess!) but these are central to understanding the left's seeming insanity of purpose and conduct.

In their universe, built on these false premises, this is normal and even virtuous. Why it flourishes so well on these campii is because, as Mr. Prager pointed out, intellectual challenge is virtually absent. That's what the dangerous obscenity of political correctness is there to insure. Until those challenges are raised and the leftist lockstep of thinking is broken, then those colleges do more harm than good.

Perhaps, if public funds must go to higher education, they should go to smaller and more productive colleges with local ties; schools that aren't little "ivory tower" fiefdoms unto themselves. Then, states like Colorado can set their huge, expensive and intellectually obsolescent megaversities adrift to fend for themselves. Let's see how far they get!

I speak here as a proud graduate of Sul Ross State University in Alpine TX.

The NYC Dogg
It doesn't really matter whether or not Mr. Prager read that editorial before writing his column. As a matter of fact, I think the editorial only enhances Mr. Prager's thesis and argument!

Indeed, that little screed is just as immature and illogical as the one it defends. The same one it calls "indefensible." If you really read Mr. Prager's column, you will see that Mr. Prager destroys the "Free Speech" argument about the childish rants of those who even admit they were being childish.

Voldemort
"Townhall is a propaganda machine par excellence. Someone at the Hoover Institution tells the talking heads what to say, and the talking heads tell their minions what to think. Daily Kos is the opposite model, in the sense that real people voice their concerns, which are heard by the community at large."

I got a good laugh out of this. The idea that TownHall is some sort of propaganda machine is just loony. What kind of influence does it have, compared with the MSM? Almost none.

And people here at TownHall voice their real concerns, also. I don't know why you think otherwise. The people posting here represent a spread of opinions and viewpoints. Sometimes they agree with the talking heads, and sometimes they don't.

By the way, tell me how many people at Daily Kos voice their concerns over the large number of rapes in Scandinavia these days.

Voldemart writes
"Daily Kos is the opposite model, in the sense that real people voice their concerns, which are heard by the community at large"

I had to wipe my computer screen off as I read this..Are you kidding me? You call what's posted at Daily Kos civilized? Hardly..It's nothing but foaming at the mouth hatred for Bush and everything America is about. I don't think I ever read one coherent post (I admit i've only visited the site three times)
Ask any conservative poster who's ever tried to post a conservative post on Daily Kos and almost immediatley they are banned.

"Dissenting voices are routinely eradicated here, strictly for the content of the posters' speech"

Yea your posts are strictly censored here but yet you keep posting so I guess that means you haven't been banned yet.

"Sec tacit concentare!"
The maxum of the law is: "Sec tacit concentare!", by silence it is to agree. This was Thomas More's defense before the King's Court only to have Richard Rich betray and purjure himself saying under oath that More did speak as to the King.

The CSU professors have been collectively mugged into silence. This group think is mob control as practised under Bolshevik domination. The lefto-Professors fear dissent demanding obediance to the Party line. The Party has narrowed these professors' lives into restricted railroad track realities of no resistence. These are the people teaching our children today!

Good job Mavtek!

Your post is a PERFECT example of what this blog is about.

A liberal student got tasered at a liberal university during a liberal speech. The author of the college editorial knew there was no intelligent argument to make about the story, so he changed the subject to “F Bush.”

And just as you have no intelligent argument & nothing intelligent to add the discussion on the blog of topic, you change the subject to “F Bush.”

Good job.

The NYC Dogg...

nice post. Now go back and actually read Mr. Prager’s article.

Would you defend the “F--- Martin Luther King Jr.” example that Mr. Prager gave as a “... statement was made to challenge the alarming amount of regulation being placed on what we can say, when we can say it, where we can say it."

Just out of curiosity, would you defend the said King Jr. example as simply freedom of speech?

Voldeless
2 more and you're still here.

Mary long since had her coffee, you probably aren't worth her time

Profanity...
When I was very young, my mother would tell me that "Profanity is the crutch of the intellectual cripple". This CSU editorial is perfect proof of that truism.

What was the goal of the editoral?
Was it to convince, instruct, inform?
I'm not sure it was suppose to do more than shock--but shock for what purpose? If someone can explain, please do.

Voldemort is just...
... performing a service, by providing us with examples of the "Big Lie," the Leftist technique of repeating, as often and as loudly as possible, half-truths and full-blown falsehoods, in order to create through sheer repetition the impression that they might actually be true. It's a technique we've seen time and again from the Left, and why not? It's worked for them, hasn't it?

The latest example of the "Big Lie," of course, is the endless blaring in the press of how Hillary is getting her critics to warm up to her. The intent is obvious: if the Middle-American know-nothings, who instinctively distrust Mrs. Cigar, come to believe that their intellectual betters have decided that Mrs. Cigar is okay, well then! They, too, will "warm" to Mrs. Cigar, and the election will swing handily in that direction.

I wish, deep in my heart, that I could sincerely believe that the purveyors of the Big Lie were mistaken...


Voldemort wrote:
"I've yet to see evidence of intelligent life at Townhall, particularly among its pundits."

He/She/It doesn't see evidence of intelligent life at Townhall?

No big deal. Voldemart is in a class that isn't intelligent enough to recognize "intelligent life" when they see it.

Voldemort
Nice, you're eschewing the wonders of Daily Kos. Completely discredits you before you can say almost anything else. Always one lunatic on here who thinks he's wise. Is he the knew Kimberly or Phylo?

correction
I mean "new," not "knew".

Voldemort wrote:
"I've yet to see evidence of intelligent life at Townhall, particularly among its pundits."

Yes, and I understand why he/she/it doesn't recognize intelligent life at Townhall.

Voldemort is in a class that isn't intelligent enough to recognize "intelligent life" when they see it.

Was the editorial just a verbal ink blot
Was it suppose to shock each individual with some unique message seen only by each person? Again, what was the purpose of this exercis of "free speech?"

Max Power, Sheepdog & GunnyG
Good morning to ya'll...


It's funny how Voldemart invokes Free Speech in his opinion on the article.

It's even funnier how he doesn't mention that Waxman is now going after Rush, Hannity and Levine to, ultimately, get them removed from the airwaves.

Yep, free speech for everyone - everyone that you agree with.

I'm not even going to respond to that idiotic statement about the kooks at kos.

Unbelievable.

And he couldn't wait for Ann Coulter's column to come out before throwing a jab at her. Had to do it here.


George is really putting out the $ now.


BTW, Glenn beck is going to have Pastor John Hagee on for a full hour on Friday night. It will be interesting.







Using the F word
Back in the 60s, using the F word was something new and exciting to try. But like most other things we tried back then, it didn't work. I saw this when I moved into a poor neighborhood. The people in that neighborhood used profanity often, but unlike the rich, they had no sense of when not to use it. And that hurt them.

All kinds of things like this hurt the poor. They get fired from jobs, they can't get loans, etc., because the left thinks it's great for people like them to be using the F word, to be discourteous, to be rebellious, to be nonconformists, etc.

It's part of what I call the left's war against the poor.

Bman3
What happened to 1 & 2? Did you get booted or something? Just when I got used to 1 now it's 3
LOL

So, the editorial was just done
because someone didn't feel like completing an article (hangover no doubt) and the four word missive was an easy out?

But what was this editorial trying to do
Inform, teach, or convince? Why was pen put to paper and this editorial printed. What was the goal?

sheepdog...
I was used to #1 too.

I had #2 for about 10 minutes yesterday. Now I am up to #3.

#3 is supposed to be the charm so they say...



Max:
Me thinks we'll be waiting for that answer as long as it took Hal D to answer his question about the concentration camps in the U.S. and all the acronyms posed to Robert by Lumberjack (?)

Robert still hasn't answered those either...


Voledummy:

What about F--- Hillary or Bill, or Rosa Parks?
or [Fill in the blank]???

Voldemort
is great because he epitomizes the ignorant and profoundly disturbed far left. It's almost too good to be true, really. Could he be a satirist following in the footsteps of Loyal Democrat? Sadly, probably not.

But you have to give it to him. He eloquently recited the most notorious and idiotic leftist lies:

1. Bush stole Ohio in 2004.

2. Free-markets don't work

3. Daily Kos is not hostile to conservatives

4. Townhall censors opposing views

5. Bush lied, people died

And a few others I can't recall now. The only idiotic lie he didn't regurgitate is that Bush and the Jews orchestrated 9/11.

Max, Gunny, sheepdog, Bman
Good morning! I see we have some 'tolerant' posters wanting to invoke the First Amendment. Yes, I've noticed Voldemort has decided not to answer the question: what if it said "F- MLK?", or "F- Clinton", or "F- fill-in the-liberal"? The silence coming from the faculty at this institution is just as deafening as Voldemort's.

The NYC Dogg writes:
.... Bush deserves little respect - not because of his politics but because of who he is - American presidents are not royalty or religious figureheads - just political hacks leading a party....





Thanks for answering my question posed to Voledummy re: F--- Hillary and Bill



Mr. Max
I appreciate your analysis.
I'm trying to to pull some sort of coherent line of reasoning from someone who supports the message of the editorial. The first step is to find out what a given supporter thinks the message is. It is my feeble attempt at a Socratic line of questioning.

So back to the question---what was the goal of the editorial.

Bman3
Well if you ever make it to 4, your new handle could be Bman4ever...LOL

YLG
Can you imagine if a conservative ever posted something like that you can bet that the liberals would be gathering like a pack of rabid dogs waiting to pounce.

YLG
Hello,

I think part of our "conversation" from Friday night got me banned... LOL


However there is one thing that I vividly remember:


Yak Groomer

ROFLMAO

Heerrrrre Yak,
Yak, Yak, Yak
Heeerrre Yak
Yak with a sack
Yak, yak, yak



(I am glad I saved that entire thread...)


Sorry guys, back on subject...

Voldemort
Are you really that stupid or are you a satirist following in the footsteps of Loyal Democrtat?

Townhall is a CONSERVATIVE blog that features articles by conservative and libertarian pundits, authors, academics, and philosophers many of whom are brilliant. Why do you have a problem with that?

Daily Kos is a far LEFT-WING hate site that feautures articles by pseudo-intellectual Leninists, psychopaths, and utter morons. I certainly don't have a problem with that.

Unlike Daily Kos, MediaMatters, et al, Townhall does not remove comments with which its editors disagree. I have never, ever come across a left-wing blog that tolerates conservative opinions.

This is hardly surprising, since the far-left vehemently despises free speech. Here's the proof:

When was the last time you heard a liberal speaker being shouted down by a conservative? It doesn't happen. Yet David Horowitz and Ann Coulter have to travel to college campuses with BODYGUARDS because they invariably get attacked by Stalinists posing as so-called "progressives".

Did you see what happened in Columbia University last year when the minutemen were invited to speak? They spoke for 18 seconds before a group of free-thinking progressives (read: Bolsheviks) stormed the stage and ended the forum.

Every Congressional hearing on Iraq these days is interrupted by leftist hate-mongers who hate the idea military leaders reporting on the progress in the War on Terror.

Can you think of a SINGLE example of a conservative student or organization doing any of the above? Of course not.

WATCH OUT

Harry Potter is lurking somewhere and soon will vanquish the wizard who wishes he could wave his wand and be done with allpersons to his right.

But alas it's a real world out there.

Greg
I have figured out what the purpose of the editorial was.

Since his "main-man" Churchill was let go for being the fraud that he was, the editorial writer had no classes to take which he could maintain his full-time student status. Which means mommy and daddy couldn't claim him as an exemption on their tax returns.

The results of Mr Ward being let go is this.

He has to take something like Remedial Math 101 or more specifically, Remedial English 101 to remain in school full-time.

And of course it's Bush's fault. Just like where I am we are expecting record high temps today. Which, of course, is Bush's fault.

Life is hard....

Voldemort
What is a propaganda machine. Can left leaning sites be called "propaganda machine"?

Bman
OOOPS! Sorry if that was the cause! If so, I should have been booted, too. Of course, yak groomer was probably the best one of the night, but my hubby came back with 'aardvark inseminator'. You should hear the others...LOL

'Ugandan diplomat' was good, too, very pompous!

Arrogant Dullards
No elegant language here, no rousing sentiments, not a furious indictment phrased with passion and clarity. A text message. You're supposed to know what their talking about and say, "Yeah!". The vapidity of the left is also their strength. Orwell's society where predigested thoughts pass through one's mind like stones through a goose is here. No critical thinking is even possible. You either say "Yeah!" or "No Way!". These students are the idiots corporations hire to manage experienced people and who increasing make a mess of the managerial jobs their high-falutin degrees give them access to. A society in decline.

Bman
Ward Churchill actually 'taught' at University of Colorado, not CSU. However, he was championed at CSU for 'speaking truth to power', whatever he meant by that.

A censor under every rock
Can Moldemort and the rest of these delusional leftists be serious?

Exactly who's speech is being silenced today?

I always think back to watching paranoid Hollywood leftist Tim Robbins drone on about the "chill wind" that was stifling dissent in the US--on CNN!

I recall thinking that apparently they don't teach "irony" in acting schools any more. Here's an idiot bloviating about how free speech is being muzzled, all on a network that is broadcast to millions of homes in dozens of counties around the world.

If what these clowns say is true, shouldn't there have been black helicopters swooping in to cart Mr. Robbins off to the gulag? Shouldn't someone be kicking in Moldemort's door right now?

Boy, that's some "tyranny" we're all living under.

skep41
If George Orwell were here, he would be shaking his head, saying, 'I hate it when I'm right...'

Higher Education???
Indeed.

Voldemort, care to see
real oppression and censorship of dissenting opinions?

Pretend that you are conservative and try to post your conservative opinion on Huffington Post.

GOOD LUCK!

More liberal reverse projection
Wasn't the guy who recently got tasered making a nuisance of himself while a leading DEMOCRAT was trying to speak?

Am I remembering this wrong here?

If not, then what we have now is another example of the left behaving outrageously, ascribing that behavior to conservatives, and blaming Bush (again) even though he had nothing to do with the incident that sparked their latest complaint.

This is no different than when libs tried to use the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution as evidence that Bush lied about Saddam's WMD.

The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was the Big Lie of LBJ, a Democrat. LBJ knew he was lying and did so purposefully to get Congress to authorize the Vietnam War (although they never issued a declaration of war).

Several years later, when the infamous "Pentagon Papers" were leaked to reporter Daniel Ellsburg, Richard Nixon was President. Nixon wound up taking the heat for LBJ's lie. The left likes the way that turned out so well that they now believe this is a legitimate political method.

So now we have leftists disrupting political events of other leftists, being tasered to get them to shut up, and blaming it on Bush as if Bush won't allow leftists to dispute/argue/protest the political positions of other leftists.

The "editorial staff" at CSU are nothing more than a group of infants screaming for attention. They should be allowed to hold their breath until they turn blue and pass out. Maybe then the adults can have some peace and quiet and/or an opportunity for intelligent civil discussion.

NYC Dogg
Thank for your reply. Although your petty insults aren't going to inflame me at all.

However, you have allowed me to come to this one conclusion. You were posting as al over the weekend. And you got busted for it then and now it is confirmed.


al = NYC Dog
NYC Dog = al


Although I would like to know how Pres. Reagan was smarter because of his Parkinson's disease?
He never had it.

You are thinking of Michael J Fox, who tried to garner sympathy for his disease, by purposefully not taking his meds (and not disclosing), while campaigning for a democrat.


Stupidity shows itself simple solution
If Islam doesn't get us to surrender control of our lives to avoid their having to regrettably nuke us for failure to understand the importance of conformity to Sharia Law.... we may have one of two things happen to change the nonsense of PC conformity to those who think that four word editorials are eloquent arguments for which no logical supporting detail is needed:

1. The university/college trend is heading for bankruptcy unless alumni somehow have funds enough to maintain a way for children to come to campus to study group think understandings of what counts in life. Feelings make four word editorials acceptable to at least right brain oriented people. In short, campus life to support it is essential to right brain dominate parents and left brainers that do not do their homework to sense what has happened to teaching. Teaching is matching society’s preference for an inclusive, judgment free world.

2. The day is coming when parents will stop sending children to campus and accept an internet based means of learning how to make a living. But, if we call for a new way to recognize the extreme views of teachers? Pay them a percentage of a very high tuition. Perhaps 5% of a $1,000 per credit hour class fee or $50/student max will pay the Ward Churchill types very well, unless students can't raise the cash to pay the excess over the lowest tuition courses and make the excess ineligible for government loans, grants, etc. Surely those teachers with some vanity will assume that their superior intellect will appeal to hundreds of students/parents willing to encourage learning how to think in a right brain, image driven world. One that eliminates any need to use the left brain that has historically been used to read and construct logical thinking.

I wonder which of these alternatives will happen? I am betting on Islam to help, because it too has right brain appeal- especially to males.

Responses should make it to gratisbooks on the web.

Thrasybulus writes
"Can you think of a SINGLE example of a conservative student or organization doing any of the above"

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer..

BTW Great Post

Right brain future?
If Islam doesn't get us to surrender control of our lives to avoid their having to regrettably nuke us for failure to understand the importance of conformity to Sharia Law.... we may have one of two things happen to change the nonsense of PC conformity to those who think that four word editorials are eloquent arguments for which no logical supporting detail is needed:

1. The university/college trend is heading for bankruptcy unless alumni somehow have funds enough to maintain a way for children to come to campus to study group think understandings of what counts in life. Feelings make four word editorials acceptable to at least right brain oriented people. In short, campus life to support it is essential to right brain dominate parents and left brainers that do not do their homework to sense what has happened to teaching. Teaching is matching society’s preference for an inclusive, judgment free world.

2. The day is coming when parents will stop sending children to campus and accept an internet based means of learning how to make a living. But, if we call for a new way to recognize the extreme views of teachers? Pay them a percentage of a very high tuition. Perhaps 5% of a $1,000 per credit hour class fee or $50/student max will pay the Ward Churchill types very well, unless students can't raise the cash to pay the excess over the lowest tuition courses and make the excess ineligible for government loans, grants, etc. Surely those teachers with some vanity will assume that their superior intellect will appeal to hundreds of students/parents willing to encourage learning how to think in a right brain, image driven world. One that eliminates any need to use the left brain that has historically been used to read and construct logical thinking.

I wonder which of these alternatives will happen? I am betting on Islam to help, because it too has right brain appeal- especially to males.

Responses should make it to gratisbooks on the web.

NY City Dogg
Bman3 writes"
Although I would like to know how Pres. Reagan was smarter because of his Parkinson's disease?
He never had it.

Reagen had Alzheimers..could it be that your suffering from the same affliction?

I must forbid
I will make forbid this liberal college foolishness. I, Osama, do not make spam, this I also forbid. On my videos, I forbid many other also foolish things. Find me here:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=VideoFatwa

The CSU editorial
reminds me of what I thought during the Clinton-Gore "Victory Dance" in 1992 - "I don't think I'm ready for a President from my generation". What an immature, humiliating, over-the-top exercise that event was. Those who defend the CSU editorial as "free speech" just show that they are still more comfortable with the children in charge.

The NYC Dogg...

But do you really think the “F Bush” statement was made to show “the alarming amount of regulation being placed on what we can say, when we can say it, where we can say it."?

Putting a curse word of any kind, about anyone, in any publication does not say to me that there is an “alarming amount of regulation” on free speech.

In fact, it says quite the opposite to me.

I agree with you that saying “F Jesus” would be offense for the sake of offense. Just as the “F Bush” statement is, or the “F King Jr.” statement would be. There’s nothing intelligent or thoughtful about any of those statements. I have respect for and appreciate people who can have a thoughtful, intelligent conversation rather than simply saying “F (insert name here).” I cannot stand up for the free speech rights of people who have nothing more to say than curse words with no argument.

(Just to clarify, I’m not saying that they don’t have the right to say “F Bush.” I’m simply saying that I can’t stand up for their rights or their intelligence when that’s all they have to say.)

And I agree 100% with Max Power. Sorry, but “F Bush” has been done before. Remember the “Buck Fush” bumper stickers? (Yawn.) If you can’t come up with something intelligent, at least come up with something original...

wiseone
No, you are correct. The student that got 'tasered' was asking John Kerry why he conceded defeat in 2004, and why he didn't do a recount. John Kerry was making a speech about something else, and the student would not reliquish his microphone to the next student.

The fact that the editor was not fired after breaking the rules enforces the old adage that a tantrum is an effective tool for infants.

YLG
To paraphrase that other 20th century master of the English Language, Yogi Berra, "if George Orwell was alive today he'd roll over in his grave!"

For NYC Dogg
I disagree that the purpose of the editorial was to have this conversation.

The purpose of the article was to blame Bush for the fact that a protestor at a political recently got tasered, imply that Bush is a fascist of some sort, and smugly show their defiance by pointing out that free speech can't be tasered when it appears in the print media.

In the process they have shown (1) a thorough disregard for fact and the absence of even a minimum of journalistic ability, as the taser 'victim' was not protesting Bush and (2) an utter disrespect for the sponsorship of a forum. It is one thing to exercise freedom of speech in a forum one creates and sponsors for one's self, such as a student newspaper. It is something entirely different to impose one's boorish behavior on a forum created and sponsored by another. This has the actual effect of infringing on another's free speech rights.

But don't try to explain this nuance to the infant editors at CSU. They are too busy throwing another hissy fit because they're not getting enough attention.

They all need T-shirts that read "I survived Roe vs. Wade".

bman, sheepdog, gunny g
Just like the harry potter adversary, yjis voldemort proves he doesn't understand life and people. This isn't about free speech but about a sense of decency. walk down any street or through any mall and the listen to the speech patterns of highschool and college age kids. It has lost all it's shock value as it has become so commonplace to hear an endless stream of profanities. But it is a reflection on the sorry state of what passes for an education today. Too many of these foul mouthed punks, both male and female think they are somehow hip with the culture with these vulgar utterings. It would seem from his utterings that voldemort defends this nonsense. But his real complaint seems to be that he just doesn't like the articles or the discussion. What exactly keeps him posting. If he doesn't like the punch he doesn't have to stay at the party. But like all of his stripe he thinks that somehow he will win converts to his side of the issue. Big surprise, if this person wishes like minded thinking he is at the wrong site. Defending coarse language is akin to defending the indefensible. He needs to find his friends at moveon. TYhey speak the language he understands

Ah yest the polite KOS


Quote
"Mark Steyn is an Idiot" by Hunter

The right-wing intersection of "smear" and "stupid"

Vote Rudy Or Die
by Hunter
Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 04:47:29 PM PDT
Sometimes it's nice to put partisanship aside and throw the other side a bone. In that spirit, I've spent some time coming up with good campaign slogans for the Republican presidential candidates. Republicans, you can use any of these you like: I won't charge you.

Rudy Giuliani
My other wife is 9/11

Millionares for Mitt
Because dogs and poor people suck.

Vote Tancredo
Because Sam Brownback isn't insane enough.

Vote Sam Brownback
Doesn't "Tancredo" sound ethnic to you?

McCain
I'm a still a maverick. Now give me a dollar.

Fred Thompson for President
Hey, baby. This is what passes for sexy.

Huckabee '08
I'm running too, goddamn it!

Kids for Ron Paul
Like Optimus Prime, but with lower taxes.



Real highbrow discussion there

The NYC Doofus writes:
Please, BMan - it's not like the right ever treated the Clinton's with anything but disrespect - and that was before Bill ever stepped foot in office. and look, I often referred to Reagan as a simpleton made only smarter by his Parkinsons disease (he couldn't be any stupider), or as Bush as a war criminal or Nixon as a crook, or Rush as drug addicted draft dodger - so let the insults ring... it's all in good fun.

This is a prime example of someone who suffers from diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.

Voldemort blind to irony
He laments that this web site stamps out all dissenting opinion...in a post he made on this site.

This is not the first time old Voldie has claimed censorship. Yet somehow he continues to post his dissenting views where we can easly read them and respond. How can that be?

As is often the case, Voldemort's very posts give lie to his very assertions. Bravo Voldi...bravo.

wiseone...

You are correct. If the point of the statement was to start conversation, why did they have to include the part about tasering? Why not simply say “F--- Bush”?

bman et all 2
defending coarse language is the same logic that irresponsible dog owners tell homeowners when their dog takes a dump on the homeowners lawn. Being a dog he can't help himself and he is following his nature. Likewise these shallow hs and college age idiots can't help displaying their ignorance. Just as someone always cleans up the dog droppings,the college idiots can always count on other lib types rushing to their defense any excusing their behavior which has become their nature and obviously something they can no longer control

Max Power...

I couldn't agree with you more.

skep41
Rolling in his grave, indeed! He'd be halfway to China by now!

Max Power
He should have been fired. He broke the rules of the school newspaper by publishing a profanity. And if he did want to rile everyone up, Why not use Jesus Christ or Allah?

Packrat
I don't quite understand how Voldemort believes that TH is censorship he--, but Kos and the rest are open to all. I lasted ELEVEN MINUTES on democraticunderground.com, and less than two hours at kos, that was after the profanity-laced invective starting with 'babykillerlover'. I, however, look forward to liberals posting here. They are soooo entertaining.

Poor George/ YLG
He'd get to China just in time to watch newly-elected Chicom employee Hillary pay a courtesy call on her chief campaign contributors. They could ship him back in a container of lead-painted childre's toys and no one would be the wiser.

Free Speech
Were Speech codes on campuses started and continued by liberals or conservatives?
Nuff said

RE: Voldemort
"I don't see that anything Coulter ejaculates is any more eloquent, or as profound."

That's likely because you can't understand what she says because of her use of multisyllable words. The reason morons on the left hate Ann so much, and get so excited about her is because she's smarter than any of you wacko leftists, and you KNOW it. When she editorilizes, she is able to explain herself in more than 4 words, one of which being nothing but a childish vulgarity that a 9-year-old would use.

Give me a break, she's nothing but a freakin' scribbler...an editorialist...no power to effect change whatsoever. You don't see the right hyperventalating about Maureen Down or Paul "Maybe, just maybe, I'll be right...one of these days" Krugman, do you? Sure, any thinking person disagrees with anything they write, but there is NOTHING they could POSSIBLY do to cause the level of rage kooky commies spew every time Ann publishes a new book.

I always LOVE to see kooky commies screaming about something Ann said. It makes it really easy to know when to agree with Ann. Here's the test: leftist are mad = agree with Ann. If leftist aren't mad, then write to Ann to do a better job next time.

wildwest...
it is embarrassing to go out in public anymore such as a mall especially with older family. You can't even go into a wal-mart that you don't hear vulgar language from some little teenager on his cell phone dropping the F bomb every other word. Then they meet up with their mothers in the checkout line and the mother (father's aren't usually around 'cause they are in jail or with another child producing woman) curses them for the little sh!ts they are because they were late. So then it is fully explained why they act like they do. Because their mother acted like that at age 14 when she gave birth to them. All paid for by medicaid of course.

Of course they were over at the hip hop cd rack trying to learn the new slogans of the streets so they can be like the other homeys. Then momma and son has an argument over whether or not she is going to buy either that new cd or those pants that somehow can't make it past their crotch but are three sizes too large. The little heathens usually win out over mom and get their cd or over sized pants.

Mommy checks out and pays for her food with the food stamp card. Drops a 100 spot for the cd's and then stops by the liquor store on the way home to pick up that daily pint of Mad dog 20/20.

She then has to go by the alternative school since the heathen has been kicked out of the already horrible public school to see if they will take little johnny.

Yes it is truly embarrassing to go out into public these days with someone who has at least a small amount of self respect.


Yep, the inner-city has come to my small home town.

In summary - it is Bush's fault.

p.s. I used to try to 'manage' to trip the really wild ones running around uncontrollably, or at least accidentally on purpose push my buggy out where they would run into it - but every where you go now they have cameras so it doesn't work anymore.

Again, I guess this is all Bush's fault too

JFP writes:
I got a good laugh out of this

As did most of us!

HUNTER 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

YLG writes:
Packrat
I don't quite understand how Voldemort believes that TH is censorship he--, but Kos and the rest are open to all. I lasted ELEVEN MINUTES on democraticunderground.com, and less than two hours at kos, that was after the profanity-laced invective starting with 'babykillerlover'. I, however, look forward to liberals posting here. They are soooo entertaining.

You lasted about 10.9 minotes longer on DU than I did, and 1 hour 59.9 minutes longer than I did on DailyKOS. One dissenting opinion politely stated and I was gone.

skep41
LMAO!!!!

Needless to say, Orwell is required reading in our household. My children have really strange reading assignments in school, and I have to counter them. I have a PTC meeting on Wednesday, where the parents are going to vote on whether to censor O. Henry and 'Pinocchio', and on whether to add 'An Inconvenient Truth' to the curriculum. It's going to be very inconvenient for the proponents to see me there.

Townhall = propaganda, but DailyKOS?
"Townhall is a propaganda machine par excellence. Someone at the Hoover Institution tells the talking heads what to say, and the talking heads tell their minions what to think. Daily Kos is the opposite model, in the sense that real people voice their concerns, which are heard by the community at large."

Thank you, Voldemort, for IRREFUTABLY, UNDENIABLY proving my assertions about you and your ilk 100% correct. That you claim that DailyKOS is the high minded voice of reason while Townhall.com is just "propaganda" is all anyone needs to know about a moron (NOT an insult, but a statement of fact that you have just admitted) like you.

Oh, Ann Coulter is all bad...but she at least can articulate a complete English sentence without resorting to childish vulgarity, UNLIKE anyone at DailyKOS or CU.

Lack of manners
Bratty teenie boppers have no manners. CSU's student newspaper is a brat.

CSU Message
That opinion speaks for over half the country. You rightwing freaks are scared of your own shadows let alone others ideas and opinions.

Good for CSU and AMERICA!! By the way how many of even bothered to serve in the military? Probably less then 1 percent.

I live in Ft Collins
and have a son who goes there. When I read what Associate Professor Jim Landers said in the local paper that it was a First Amendment issue so they couldn't do anything but "censure" the young boy, all I could do is shake my head. This is NOT a First Amendment issue.

If the editor of the NYT wrote the same thing he would be fired (even at the Times). And as Dennis says, if the young boy had said the same thing about a knighted liberal he would have long been on the street and probably hounded out of school. So the school did the minimum they had to do (censure him) and then try to move on and "get this behind us."

dennis is a ninny
i saw him on hardball the other night saying the difference between vitter and craig was that vitter was not propostioning someone in a public place. what?

last i heard prostitutes were propostioned in public but since i have no experience in this i could be wrong.

as far as the colorado state thing, you can pick up all kinds of newspapers that have those words in it.
i certainly respect the argument that our tax dollars should not be used to subsidize such things but as far as the expressions, quit acting like an innocent dennis. if you can discuss public sex on national tv your claim that your sensibilities are offended by this is simply absurd.

bman
I forgot to mention my real happiness today. The Indians beat the yankees and that satifies two different feelings I learned as a kid growing up in cleveland. The indians could never win in my younger years so supporting the indians was akin to bearing a cross of lifelong disappointment and likewise hating the yankees for winning too much. Last night provided some past payback as the indians now move on to their next opponent, I see that the gamecocks are ranked rather highly in the polls and that likewise comes as a somewhat shock as our years in sc weren't filled with memories of victorious teams. But you are probably a die hard citidel fan and don't care for things in columbia

Lumberjack
WOW! You beat the record!

Yes, I decided to write a dissent, but I was not onl polite, I agreed with the poster on several points. That's why I lasted so long at Kos. On du.com, I didn't agree at all, and even pointed out a few fallacies in the argument, hence the eleven minutes.

BTW, we won't be able to go to Tyler next weekend. My brother needs help moving to Dallas, and that's his only available slot. Maybe next time!

Max Power...

This is getting very old. Every time Ann Coulter writes an article the left gets all worked up about what she says & how offensive she is. Yet when some dumb college student publishes “F--- Bush” it’s “free speech!” Can you imagine if Ann said “F--- John Edwards”?

has anyone seen this yet?
(Chris Matthews is not partisan - he says)
(Chris Matthews - Educated at CSU?)

Matthews on Matthews

On today's "Morning Joe," Joe Scarborough asked Chris Matthews if Republican candidates would try to get a "cheap applause line" tonight by pointing to his recent controversial comments.

Said Matthews:

I've been thinking about that....It's not my stage tonight. I don't have much standing to retort in real time.

However, I do have one sensitive point and that is, I don't mind being wrong -- I try to be right. I don't mind somebody saying I'm not fair -- I try to be fair. ... If someone says I'm not independent, it's going to be very hard for me to bite my tongue. ...

For twenty years I've paid the price of indepdendence. I've taken it from everybody ... every night of my life for the past twenty years. ...

If they accuse of me of being partisan, I'll go rip! ...

It's not about me, it's about them and who's going to be president during these difficult times.

Scarborough predicted that three Republican candidates would poke fun of Chris. Said Matthews: "Let's hope it doesn't happen."



http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/networks/matthews_on_ matthews_68595.asp

Max Power
Transparent, indeed. Like JamesJ wrote, liberals are the sponsors of speech codes in colleges. They try so hard to censor by throwing the 'hate speech' line, but writing a profanity aginst our president, well, THAT'S free speech.

Bob, your 7:50Am post
listed the youtube video...THANK YOU! That was entertaining and enlightening. What a perfect description of the liberal mind set.


wildwest
(off subject)
Hope the Indians can put down the Red Sox nation.
I'll be rooting for the Indians because it will make three straight years the AL Central has represented the American league. If Arizona and Cleveland should make the WS would you go catch a game?

YLG & Wildwest
YLG, when you get out of jail from the PTC meeting let us know what happened...

Tell them that if they want to show Inconv Truth - that you want the 9/11 documentary that was banned by Disney from being released shown too.



Wildwest:
congrats on the indians, what will happen to torres now? As far as Gamecocks go, I am more of a clemson fan. But when George Rogers won the Heisman trophy it was somewhat embarrassing too. Do you remember the video of him sitting in a fourth grade class learning how to read. He couldn't read but yet he was in college. I guess when they renamed the street that runs by the school George Rogers Blvd he could read that - I hope. Embarrassing for the state of SC.

"media"
i think the kid who wrote that could have broken his argument down and little more and added some more detail, but he wouldn't be saying anything new.

all of the reasons to dislike and distrust bush and his cronies has been repeated ad nauseum, so he saved us some time by just cutting it down to four words.

and quite frankly, i appreciate that. the contrived dribble that was printed in this article really doesn't say much more than the four word editorial from colorado.

the problem is that everyone is too interested in arguing and being right, so we miss the millions of opportunities to find some middle ground and really learn about anything.

in summation, F--- you Dennis Prager.

BMan3, your 10:20Am post to Greg
was incorrect (as one other poster pointed out)
because Mr. Prager is talking about Colorado State University (CSU) in Fort Collins, CO, NOT
Colorado University (CU) in Boulder (where Churchill taught...if you can call it that.)

The picture of Churchill next to Prager's article lends to the confusion, but I think it was meant to portray the academic left.

As for the rest of your post(s) I agree.

mikeatmac writes:
"That opinion speaks for over half the country. You rightwing freaks are scared of your own shadows let alone others ideas and opinions"

Nothing could be further from the truth. Why should we be scared of others opionins and Ideas?
I look at most of the liberals postings (including yours) as comic relief. And to think I didn't think liberals had a sense of humor.

By the way how many of even bothered to serve in the military? Probably less then 1 percent.

What's your point and what does this have to do with what's being discussed? Just curious

Duck

And some wading boots to go with them,
and a manicure kit for the papers.

CSU now has a conservative paper
on campus, started by students who are sick and tired of all the liberal baloney. Thankfully not all college students are brainwashed by the looney left (which I know to be true with my own son in his 4th year of college.)

wildwest, sheepdog, YLG GunnyG
Lumberjack, Duck and the rest that counts...


For anyone that listened to Rush yesterday he said Waxman has directed his staff to start going through transcripts of his, Hannity, and Levine's shows. Waxman wants to take that info to the FCC chairman and - we all know - get them off the airwaves.

Rush countered with a "what-if" and said "what if I had my staff start going into Waxman's 'business'" and see what they could come up with (Not a direct quote)

I caught a couple of minutes of Hannity & Colmes last night with Ann Coulter and she brought up that same thing. What if "we" started looking into Waxman? Of course Colmes didn't appreciate it.


Do any of you think there may be something to this???






I can't take TH today.
It's totally screwed. I think I"ll wait 'til tomorrow. Maybe there'll be something worth talking about besides a bunch of liberal brats who think college is all about childish pranks and having mommy protect them when they get chastised.

Bman Wildwest et.al.
Speaking of school here's a good one.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/breen/archive/2 0070920_breen.gif

This guys has some good stuff.


jeff anderson writes:
...the problem is that everyone is too interested in arguing and being right, so we miss the millions of opportunities to find some middle ground and really learn about anything.

in summation, F--- you Dennis Prager.




No argument there? Huh kids?


Jeff - you should be glad that we let you come here and post your drivel for our entertainment.

We would burn up their servers at the Kos or DU by getting banned every second when we posted an opinion contrary to the other 100% of the kooks.

So post away. We will just scroll over the troll .



Bman3
I will give you a play-by-play tomorrow afternoon, that's if I'm not in the county jail awaiting bail....

I'm sure they think I'm going to go along with it, after they suggest I teach 'different views' at home. They have no idea just how prepared I am to fight this stupid idea.

Gotta run. Have to change the oil in the car, and then have it inspected. Have fun!!

jeff anderson writes:
...the problem is that everyone is too interested in arguing and being right, so we miss the millions of opportunities to find some middle ground and really learn about anything.

in summation, F--- you Dennis Prager.




No argument there? Huh kids?


Jeff - you should be glad that we let you come here and post your drivel for our entertainment.

We would burn up their servers at the Kos or DU by getting banned every second when we posted an opinion contrary to the other 100% of the kooks.

So post away. We will just scroll over the troll .



children being even more immature
Maybe a shipment of pacifiers and a box of pampers for each of the "editorial staff" at csu would be appropriate.

What is so frightening is that in 30 years from now, children like those at csu will be making decisions that will affect the rest of the nation.

No, communism or the islamic cult need have no fear. When they are ready to take over this nation, they won't need to fight, these children will be out front to open the door for them and then kiss the ground upon which their masters stood.

sheepdog...
good stuff...

But scary because that kid will probably sail through his classes with straight A's.

Get a 100% scholarship.

And graduate from CSU with honors.

Then he'll be back as that teacher's boss.

Personally:
Personally, I think this is a kid who use to get pushed around in the school yard a lot, and now can do a little getting even. My self I would have set the taser on high!

HUNTER 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

tasered student:
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Not such a hard problem
to solve.

Double the number of colleges and universities and the market will weed out the Bozos, not to mention we can then start to graduate the numbers of better educated workers we really need.

When parents and students have more choice the competition will wake up the administrators.

Bman3 writes:
For anyone that listened to Rush yesterday he said Waxman has directed his staff to start going through transcripts of his, Hannity, and Levine's shows. Waxman wants to take that info to the FCC chairman and - we all know - get them off the airwaves.

Wackoman is a real supporter of the First Amendment, isn't he?

Doc & Roger Berry
Doc:
to see him, which I have not, would probably remind you of a Napoleon Dynamite type....



Roger Berry:
A perfect case for school vouchers..


Democratic Platform: shorthand version
F____: Bush
Rush
Cheney
Genl. "Betray-Us"
Hannity
Prager
Republicans
Christians
Jews
anyone who dares question us


Lumberjack7392 writes:
...Wackoman is a real supporter of the First Amendment, isn't he?



I always thought he looked down his nose at it...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA



go to http://www.feedthepig.org/


Waxman is 1st cousin to Benjamin Banks

Bman3
I did watch the vid. and he is! LoL

HUNTER 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

ward churchhill:
hugo is my man, and yes I love that man of mine! I wonder how he would look in Leda hose?



oh the youth of america
dating all the way back to the greeks you can see writings from the elders saying how horrible the youth of that day were and that the future looked dim and maybe the end of civilization was coming.


OH PAH RENTS!
Start by stopping your funding at the source.
Inform your darlings that the party is over. Want to stay in college and act the fool? Then you can pay for it yourself.
Want to be able to "express yourself"? Fine, get a job and then find the time for your tantrums.
Inform them that they need to make other arrangements for "breaks". This does not involve coming home with 2,000 lbs. of dirty laundry.
Let them know that spring break in Cancun isn't looking good either.
Tell them that only an ABJECT PUBLIC apology will put things back to normal.
Tough love IS tough, but it beats having your little darling living in the basement and posting to TH instead of being able to get a job.

I blame the professors.
Prager's column brings up the broader point that colleges and universities across the broad spectrum are no longer institutions of higher learning, but rather social engineering factories of left-wing persuasion.

It doesn't matter what institution our sons or daughters attend, they will, without doubt, come under the perverted influence of a Ward Churchill or an Angela Davis, or any one of a thousand sixties rejects who, left with no collective venue to vent their bile after the Vietnam war, and unable to find gainful employment, sought refuge in schools, colleges and universities.

Ward Churchill, for instance, made up his whole history, even plagiarizing others in order to receive tenure at UC Boulder. Former Black Panther Angela Davis, despite a criminal history, now teaches her hatred of "racist America" at UC Santa Cruz, in a course titled "history of consciousness." (made up, of course, to suit her communistic ideology)

David Horowitz, in his excellent book, "The Professors," lists "the 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America." And there are many, many more.

We need an organized response to such teaching. We need to turn over the rocks where these liberal, er, educators hide. We need to post their addresses and phone numbers; let them know they can no longer peddle their vitriol in secret. And I suggest we, all of us like-minded Americans, start doing just that.

This is lengthy, I know. I'll end with a quote attributed to Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Hopefully our schools and colleges will start cleaning their own houses before we start doing it for them.




religiouslib
say what you want, but when I was college age I would never thought about printing something like that...

I would not have had to worry about what the school thought, my mother would have set me straight, and then when she was through, I would have had to face the wrath of my stepfather.

It is a lack of respect. Pure and simple. Taught (or really, not taught)by their mothers and such as hollywierd and the like.

Do you have children? Do they talk like that in public? Would they write something like that in a school newspaper? Would you be proud of them?



religiouslib writes 12:37PM:
"oh the youth of america
dating all the way back to the greeks you can see writings from the elders saying how horrible the youth of that day were and that the future looked dim and maybe the end of civilization was coming."

So, er, what happened to Ancient Greece? Oh yeah...

ancient greece
is the basis of our civilization and it still exists today.

religiouslib writes
ancient greece
is the basis of our civilization and it still exists today.

What a Eurocentric thing for a lib to say.

max power
i am not supporting the editorial just making the comment that prager is willing to discuss sexual proclivities of politicians on national tv but is offended by bad language.


Freedom of Speech
Point 1: Freedom of speech does not assume the right to be heard. (Don't remember who said that first, but it works.)

Point 2: No freedom is free of responsibility. The abuse of a freedom is the best way to get it taken away. (The right to Bear Arms is an example, those who abuse it ruin it for the rest of us.)

Point 3: Freedom of Speech was intended to prevent someone from being called a traitor because they didn't like the sitting government (as would happen in Merrie Olde England). It was also intended to ensure productive political discourse and prevent something like what happens in Communist nations (where the freedoms "granted" in the constitutions are diluted by an article noting that the exercise of those freedoms shall not interfere with the interests of the state. See Article 51 of the Chinese Constitution on 1982 and Article 29 Section 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.) It was NEVER intended to include the vulgar, obscene and profane.

Point 4: Obscenity, vulgarity, and profanity for their own sake does not make you look opinionated, or inteligent, or sophisticated, or mature. For a private individual, it makes you look like an unsophisticated moron. For an entertainer, it makes you look like you lack the creativity to entertain without offending. For a member of the media it gives the appearance that you don't care about your readers/listeners/viewers. F--- Bush (or F--- Clinton for that matter) is not an opinion. It is obscenity for its own sake.

lumberjack7392
please do not bring your stereotypes of liberals to the table, not all liberals think alike just like all conservatives do not think alike.

Greece is responsible for our civilization and there is no doubt of that.

max power
you could be right but even if it is we have radio talk show hosts saying worse things than that on a daily basis.

savage says all liberals should be put in internment camps or shot.

as far as waxman, you are jumping the gun a little, its like the conservative argument in the surveillance issue, if no one is doing anything wrong whats the worry.


MotleyCrue
lol @ your post of 12:54 pm
the difference is that today so-called adults support, encourage, and even look up to children who "rebel" against such "authoritarian oppression," because they were not successful at it themselves 40 years ago.
"Question authority" is the only philosophy that matters to them, period.


religiouslib writes 1:27PM:
"Greece is responsible for our civilization and there is no doubt of that."

Care to expand on that, oh knowledgeable one.


motely crue
The origins of Western culture are often referred to as "three pillars": ancient Greece (concretely Greek philosophy), the Roman Empire (specifically Roman law), and Catholic and Protestant Christianity. Broadly, these foundations are referred to as Greco-Roman and Christian roots. Germanic, Slavic and Celtic cultures also took part in the formation of the culture of medieval Europe. The influence of secular humanism has been profound since the European Renaissance, as well as Enlightenment's thought and Rationalism, romantic ideals, and later tendences such as Modernism, Pop culture, and various subcultural and countercultural movements.

Western culture has developed many themes and traditions. Some important ones are:

Greco-Latin classic letters, arts, architecture, philosophical and cultural tradition, that include a large and vast influence of very important and preeminent authors such as Plato, Aristotle, Homer, Herodotus or Caesar, as well as a very long mythologic tradition (approximately synchretic to other Mediterranean ones such as Phoenician or Egyptian).
Biblic and Evangelic Judaeo-Christian mythologic and cultural tradition, as well as part of Christian Theology and Philosophy, and an abundant tradition on the philosophical discipline of Ethics.
Scholasticism.
Renaissance arts and letters.
The Scientific method.
The Western canon.
The Enlightenment and the Age of Reason.

bjimmy5757
Sad to say, but you are correct. These sixties rejects, whether parents or teachers, see their children as extensions of their own failed ideologies, and, like stage mothers, constantly seek success through their offspring, ie: "the blind leading the blind."

Max Power writes:
Lumberjack
I have to agree with religiouslib on this one.

Had the Spartans not held at Thermopylae in 480 B.C. we'd all be praying to Allah right now...

Max, A few points:

First, I was being sarcastic in my coments. You know how most libs feel about the European and Western Heritage. Remember the thread about teaching Western Civ.

Second, the 300 Spartans and and 1300 other Greeks actually were overrun at Thermpoylae. Granted it bought a little time, but it was the Greek fleet under Themistocles which forced Xerxes back, and the Battle of Plataea which ruined his plans.

Third, we do not know what would have happened had the Persians won in 480 B.C. I suspect that had the ultimately run into the Roman legions, they would have lost to te greatest army of the ancient world.


The intellectual vapidity...
...of defending a statement that is completely void of any valid intellectual content with the meaningless "oh, the old always complain about the young," is beyond words.

1) The editorial was meaningless, unthinking, unimaginative, brutish. It doesn't take age or difference of perspective to see this. What's the President of the US got to do with the local police's treatment of a local student? What's sexual intercourse got to do with the President even if he was relevant? Is this editor so incapable of original expression that, think as hard as he might, the best he can come up with is something that would come unbidden and unthinking if he slammed his thumb with a hammer? This is the EDITOR of the newspaper?

2) Just because the objection uses words that others have used in other circumstances, does not mean those other circumstances were the same. Not all objections about the young by the old are equal. Some address serious moral or intellectual failure. Some address mere differences of taste. This is an instance of the former.

3) What's age got to do with it? Praeger is not bemoaning the callowness of the young, he's observing the intellectual emptiness of the educational institution. Trust a liberal to deliberately mistake one for the other.

And yes, I'm convinced it's deliberate. You guys always dig around to find a paradigm in which your current moral slime is acceptable -- but when its your own oxes being gored, you demonstrate that you're fully capable of nuance and analysis. You're DELIBERATELY ignorant -- which makes you morally culpable for the slime and filth your faux misunderstanding produces.

Religious lib is among the worst; he pretends to be a servant of Christ, but consistently defends hell.

Max. With all due respect.
I agree only in that the ancient Greeks had a senate, etc. But our democracy is not built on the Greek model, rather on the British system of checks and balances backed by law. In breaking from GB, and recognizing the need for a similar system, without a titular head, of course, our Founding Fathers devised the Bill of Rights, based on what they had learned at the hands of the British, and put in place a congress of elected representatives. The inherent freedoms we Americans enjoy have yet to be matched in most of the world, including the ancient Greeks.

why the stereotypes
when it comes to parenting, i have known conservatives who were great parents and conservatives who were terrible parents.
i have known liberals who were great parents and liberals who were terrible parents.

my parents were very religious and liberal.
i was raised in the church as was my brother who is an ordained baptist minister.

i own a business and am an elected school board member.

both my brother and i have raised our children the same way we were raised and they have turned out beautifully, although i give more credit to God than to myself.

By the way, religious lib...
...if the editorial in question strikes you as relevant and acceptable, don't let me hear you complaining about the coursening of political discourse in America. That's about as low as it goes before the bullets start flying.

How can you defend an editorial like that if you're even A LITTLE interested in genuine, rational discourse?

Stereotypes for a very simple reason...
...every single instance, in America during the last 50 years, of an educational institution excusing intellectual vapidity, vulgarity, and categorical disrespect for America and her institutions has come from political and social liberals.

Provide me with three instances of conservative schools excusing intellectual emptiness in the name of free expression, and I'll reconsider my use of stereotypes.

In the absence of those counter-examples, I charge that the person trying to pretend stereotypes are not appropriate is a COWARD and a LIAR, who is lying about what he believes because he knows there is no valid defense for it.

Simple propaganda
Face it, it's "cool" to bash on Bush.
The left made it so by surrounding famous people with liberalism and getting high school dropouts like Charlie Sheen to open their mouths about how they managed to figure out that everything is a conspiracy and it all flows back to Bush and Cheney.
The secret to propaganda is KISS. By saying "F- Bush", it was "cool" and the "kids" got it.
Morons running around on college campuses pretending to be smart is what it boils down to. The truly brilliant are ostracized and treated like outcasts. They are overwhelmingly conservative, not liberal.
The super-cool neo-hippie movement is where it's at right now. they have no idea what they are talking about, they just feel important all of a sudden.
I once had a conversation with a 21 year old college senior from a major state university. He argued that Bush made stem cell research illegal because, in his mind, Bush only cares about fetuses, not human lives. I asked him if he was aware that Bush did NOT, in fact, make stem cell research illegal. He did not, and was sure I was wrong. I asked him if he was aware that adult stem cell research had yielded far greater promise and results than stem cell research, he was not.
Because Michael J. Fox and some hollywood limosine liberals TOLD him that stem cell research could only be done on aborted fetuses, he believed them.
It's happening with climate change and healthcare too.
Liberals over simplify issues so morons can repeat their message. but no college student truly understands what message they are spreading. And that is just plain sad.

inkling
not once did i defend the editorial in question, here is what i said.

"i am not supporting the editorial just making the comment that prager is willing to discuss sexual proclivities of politicians on national tv but is offended by bad language."

the discussion went in another direction and you are so intent on playing the "gotcha" game you don't bother to read the entire thread to get the sense of where the conversation was.

i will say it again, i ask you respectfully to not comment on my posts.


max power
inkling revival has a problem with me because i refuse to engage him as he has gotten rude and crude and even threatened physical violence in the past.(over the internet)lol.

so he takes every opportunity to try to attack me.
i have simply asked him again and again to just not respond to my posts but he can't seem to restrain himself.


Jeffislouie
I agree 100% with your last post and have had similiar discussions with many, many young liberals in the past. They are often positive I am lying until I actually show them the evidence.

After a few minutes of silence and thought you can almost actually see a little sparkle in their eyes and they begin their journey away from the dark side. Unfortunately, some are just too far gone or too ignorant to be saved.


max power
like i said i saw prager on hardball the other day discussing the sex life of vitter and craig and i was reacting to the incongruenty of that.

i agree with you on the free speech intent of the editorial i was more taken aback by his seeing offense at the words (which he did imply) after watching him talk comfortably aobut the vitter craig issue.

Hang On
It's only going to get worse as we near election time. The incoherent rage for GWB and all things conservative will likely reach fever pitch as we move through the next year.

I'm wondering if some of this cheapening of the dialogue is deliberate so as to lower the bar needed to "debate" an idea or to be given credence by leftist pundits and sages. I had to chuckle hearing Springsteen's "learned" discourse against Amerika and GWB on 60 Minutes the other night as he recited the standard leftist talking points about no habeas corpus, he can't even recognize the country we live in anymore, etc. etc. However, compared to this brilliant editorial from CSU, Springsteen seemed positively erudite.

I hate to say it but someone needs to smack that kid up top of the head and tell him to grow up - quick. If he asks why his oh so cute editorial didn't make the cut, he deserves to be told "Because I said so, that's why." It's sad that many of the so-called adults in our society haven't the courage to simply tell spoiled brats NO!

One might hope his little tantrum will come back to bite him one day, but he'll probably be recruited by the NYT for having the "courage" and "bravery" to "speak truth to power".


Max.
I do agree that the Romans had a tremendous influence on the early inhabitants, even to the name Britannia, which later became Britain. But the Celtic people, (albeit savages) were in a constant state of armed rebellion against their Roman masters, resisting many of the Roman edicts, such as learning to use Latin, etc. Later invasions by the Angles, Saxons and Normans, futher diluted the Roman influence, so the English character, although emerging from all of these influences, became like none of them. The Celts (of which I am one, BTW) retained their own independence of spirit, which later culminated in the Magna Carta of 1215AD.

I paste from Wikipedia:

The Magna Carta was the most significant early influence on the extensive historical process that led to the rule of constitutional law today. Magna Carta influenced many common law and other documents, such as the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights, and is considered one of the most important legal documents in the history of democracy.

I therefore submit that had it not been for the Celtic peoples, America would not exist in its present form today.

editorial
I guess the appropriate response is:


Dear Editor:

In response to your editorial of Oct xx, I recommend that you shove it up your a--.

max power
there are conservatives who are atheists,
http://www.compleatheretic.com/links/godlessright.html

there are conservatives who are against the war,
http://www.antiwar.com/mcconnell/mc-col.html


there are republicans who are for gay marriage
http://online.logcabin.org/

and there are republicans who are pro-choice.
http://www.republicansforchoice.com

do you agree with them or tell them they cannot be conservatives or republicans because they do not meet your litmus test.

there are millions of Christians who are liberal.

some liberals are pro-choice some are pro-life.
some liberals are for gay marriage some are against it.

that is what i mean when i talk about stereotyping.
liberals do not all think and act alike, just like not all conservatives think and act alike.

by the way
By the way, that's my reaction to the editorial and I am vehemently anti-Bush.


max power
no but he had to use sexual language that i found uncomfortable.

If editorials reduced to expletives are
what passes as intellectual arguement in today's universities then parents of college aged students would be better off giving their kids their college money and let them invest in a business or or other investments rather than throwing all that money down the anarchist cesspool of what used to be known as "higher education". We all know what B.S. is why pay for M.S.( more of the same) or P.H.D. piled higher and deeper?

Max
FYI, "religiouslib" is not a Christian (although he may be a wiccan, druid or scientologist) ...he just uses that name to stir up a reaction and get attention. He has been challenged numerous times on the inherent contradictions in his user name, but he doesn’t even try to defend his name any longer.

A “liberal Christian”...could you imagine the “new” Ten Commandments?

Thou shall not kill (unless the person is an inconvenience to you)
Thou shall not steal (unless you are attempting to oversee the redistribution of income)
Thou shall not commit adultery (unless you’re really horny or it just involves cigars and BJs)
Thou shall not use the Lord’s name in vain (unless you are just expressing your rights!)

where have all our friends gone?
at 2:17 am, the eight post, i see "not ashamed to be right" respond to something called "mavtek"...

a little later is see nyc dog being quoted...

apparently i missed all the fun since i don't see their posts anywhere :( can someone please fill the rest of us in :)

you can generally tell how meaningful (truthful) and article is by the extent to which the left behavior rises in its hyper & manic responses..great and telling article Mr. Prager!

every measurable way
The NYC Doggg writes: Tuesday, October, 09, 2007 3:00 PM

Bush is outdone by Bill Clinton (in almost every measurable way)

Yea, you measured the space under Clinton's desk, right?

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Come on, commenters, use your return Key, over and over.

No one has time to read all this fascinating stuff in detail, so if the paragraphs are short, they can be scanned, if they are long, they should be, and are skipped.

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Lies that mediamatters.org missed:

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nyc dogg
You are without a doubt the biggest crybaby that visits these threads. You whine about everything. You continually cry like a baby that the clinton's aren't in power. You shed crocodile tears about everything you want to blame the president for. How about growing up and acting like a man and offer some suggestions about improving all the things you cry about. Just like a child you blame all that you think is wrong with life. But then you come and bore the rest of us with your incessant whining. But all your tears aren't going to bring back the corrupt, dispictable womanizer clinton.

what happened?
I keep looking for the above post, you'll all talking about and there're gone.
Did they get booted?