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Tuesday, July 31, 2007
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why "Islamophobia" Is a Brilliant Term
by Dennis Prager
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What do anti-Semitism, racism and Islamophobia have in common?

In fact, nothing.

But according to Islamist groups, Western media and the United Nations, they have everything in common. Anti-Semites hate all Jews, racists hate all members of another race, and Islamophobes hates all Muslims.

Whoever coined the term "Islamophobia" was quite shrewd. Notice the intellectual sleight of hand here. The term is not "Muslim-phobia" or "anti-Muslimist," it is Islam-ophobia -- fear of Islam -- yet fear of Islam is in no way the same as hatred of all Muslims. One can rightly or wrongly fear Islam, or more usually, aspects of Islam, and have absolutely no bias against all Muslims, let alone be a racist.

The equation of Islamophobia with racism is particularly dishonest. Muslims come in every racial group, and Islam has nothing to do with race. Nevertheless, mainstream Western media, Islamist groups calling themselves Muslim civil liberties groups and various Western organizations repeatedly declare that Islamophobia is racism.

To cite three of innumerable examples: The Guardian published an opinion piece titled, "Islamophobia should be as unacceptable as racism"; the European Union has established the European Monitoring Center for Racism and Xenophobia; and the B'nai B'rith Anti-Defamation Commission of Australia notes that "Muslims have also been the target of racism in Australia, often referred to as Islamophobia."

Even granting that there are people who fear Islam, how does that in any way correlate with racism? If fear of an ideology rendered one racist, all those who fear conservatism or liberalism should be considered racist.

Of course, some may argue that whereas conservatism and liberalism are ideas, Islam is a religion, and while one can attack ideas, one must not attack religions. It is, however, quite insulting to religions to deny that they are ideas. Religions are certainly more than ideas -- they are theological belief systems -- but they are also ideas about how society should be run just as much as liberalism and conservatism are. Therefore, Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism, or Buddhism should be just as subject to criticism as conservatism or liberalism.

However, the only religion the West permits criticism of is Christianity. People write books, give lectures and conduct seminars on the falsity of Christian claims, or on the immoral record of Christianity, and no one attacks them for racism or bigotry, let alone attacks them physically. The head of the Anti-Defamation League announces that conservative Christians are the greatest threat to America today, and no one charges him with racism or Christianophobia.

The statement may be an expression of hysteria and of ignorance, but not of racism. But if one says that Islam does not appear compatible with democracy or that the Islamic treatment of women is inferior to the West's, he or she is labeled a racist Islamophobe.

One might counter that maligning people for criticism is not only true of those who criticize Islam, it is also true of critics of Israel and of America -- the former, it is said, are immediately labeled "anti-Semitic" and the latter are immediately labeled "unpatriotic." Neither is true at all. Both are, and I use this word rarely, lies.

No one is labeled anti-Semitic for merely criticizing Israel. People are labeled anti-Semitic for denying Israel's right to exist, for siding with those who wish to exterminate it or for singling out the Jewish state alone among all the nations of the world for attacks that most other countries deserve far more.

And no one in any responsible capacity has called anyone "unpatriotic" just for criticizing America. Sen. Hillary Clinton claimed during the last Democratic presidential debate that the Defense Department called her "unpatriotic" for asking whether the Defense Department has a plan to withdraw American troops from Iraq. Yet the term "unpatriotic" was not only not used in the response to the senator, it was not even hinted at.

The fact remains that the term "Islamophobia" has one purpose -- to suppress any criticism, legitimate or not, of Islam. And given the cowardice of the Western media, and the collusion of the left in banning any such criticism (while piling it on Christianity and Christians), it is working.

Latest proof: This past week a man in New York was charged with two felonies for what is being labeled the hate crime of putting a Koran in a toilet at Pace College. Not misdemeanors, mind you, felonies. Meanwhile, the man who put a crucifix in a jar of urine continues to have his artwork -- "Piss Christ" -- displayed at galleries and museums. A Koran in a toilet is a hate crime; a crucifix in pee is a work of art. Thanks in part to that brilliant term, "Islamophobia."

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Liberals Are Well-Documented Hypocrites
Liberals, er, excuse me, I mean Progressives seem to possess a preternatural talent for hypocrisy.
In Progressiveland;
-"separation of Church and State" applies only to Christian churches.
-a vote against Obama because he's black (well, half black anyway) is racism but a vote FOR him because he IS black is NOT racism.
-if not for their own phobia and obstruction of nuclear power plants, they wouldn't have to be dreaming up imaginary problems such as "global warming".

The list is endless.

Death to the Infidels
Robert, isn't it a little late to 'not make this a religious war'?

We have an enemy who fights in the name of its religion. Are you suggesting we ignore the enemy's beliefs? Isn't it the liberals who are always imploring us to 'understand' the enemy?

It is very plain to see that we have an enemy who is a religious fanatic and from where I sit it is painfully obvious that some major tenets of the enemy's religion are quite incompatible with our survival.




Piss_Christ vs Koran In Toilet
Koran in Toilet: felonies.

Piss_Christ: funded with a $15,000 tax grant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

Where's the fairness doctrine when it's needed?

Just kidding, $15K of taxes to insult Catholics is bad big government - I wouldn't want to see another $15K of taxes "pissed" away insulting another religion.

PS - I couldn't even post this - the word "p i s s" is unacceptable.

Why?
Why should we want to fear people who only have a single-minded, relentless, unending desire to kill or enslave us?

A Muslim: Someone who will kill himself and his children in order that he may kill you and your children.


Borg: IF YOU DON'T SEE IT
it ain't there -right? Maybe you're just BLIND to it all? My question to you is: cause you CAN'T see it, or WON'T see it?
Desecration of ANY religious symbol at all - or that Christian symbols cannot BE desecrated? Is it the word? It means profane, as in to treat with contempt.

A crucifix in a jar of p!ss is not treating that crucifix with contempt to you, is it? But a koran in the toliet is profane?

Why? Because Catholics just want it removed, but the Islamists want the *Doer* dead?

Maybe it's time for a new *Christian Soldier*...

Borghe
A good Muslim: Someone who follows the Koran and seeks your death or enslavement.

A bad Muslim: Someone who does not follow the Koran and simply wishes to live in peace with you and me.

I guess I'm only afraid of good Muslims.

Anyone at least as intelligent as a cabbage knows that "good" Muslims seek our death or enslavement. Your feel-good liberal warm and fuzzy political correctness may get us all killed, or worse.

Solomon: "Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle, you will not remove his folly from him."

Robert & friends...
...cockroaches also are as fascinating as OBL, and as honest.
Sheesh!
Some of you folks have ice water in your veins.
Perhaps until it will be you or your family's heads cut off.
Get a grip.

Thanks Butcher.

Phobia and Fear
Mr. D writes:
"Why? Why should we want to fear people who only have a single-minded, relentless, unending desire to kill or enslave us?"

If you had stopped there, and acknowledged that ~some~ radicalized Muslims seek that objective, I could agree with you. But no, you just couldn't stop there, could you.

"A Muslim: Someone who will kill himself and his children in order that he may kill you and your children."

Mr. D: Have you ever set foot in the Middle East? Do you speak Arabic? Somehow, I doubt it. Yours is precisely the kind of Islamophobia that Prager describes. Your phobia is based on ignorance. Your ignorance breeds fear. And those of your ilk represents the major obstacle to a resolution of this conflict.

JayPMac
Get a clue, guy. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but virtually all terrorists are Muslims. Religion of peace? This is a violent, vicious religion that worships death. And have you forgotten the jubiliant Muslims firing their AK47s into the air after 9/11?

I am not ignorant, just informed. But then, you didn't specifically refute anything I said. Just offered generalizations.

This conflict will be resolved when the other side is forced to pay a price that is too high. Until then, more of us will die.

Religious Idealism "bombed " us .
I guess the far left off the wall e-mailer Robert didn't get the memo , before avery suicide bomber bombs us dating back to before the Marine barracks in Russia , Lebanon , Egypt , England , Spain ,Israel , Jordan , Asia ,9/11 shouting in the name Allah before he or hurt blew their dumb BUTT up !
72 Virgins my Butt ........NOT WRITTEN IN THE KORAN !

Borghe
It's a bit difficult maneuvering through your semi-literate prose, but I think I got enough of it to say this: I only want to kill Muslims who try to kill me and other Americans. Is that so difficult to understand?

And I don't believe I said every single Muslim alive is my mortal enemy. I guess you read at the level at which you write. "Good" Muslims, that is those who follow the Koran, have declared themselves to be my mortal enemy.

Have you been drinking?

My wish for TH
Can't they come up with an "ignore" feature?

Religious Idealism "bombed " us .
I guess the far left off the wall e-mailer Robert didn't get the memo , before avery suicide bomber bombs us dating back to before the Marine barracks in Russia , Lebanon , Egypt , England , Spain ,Israel , Jordan , Asia ,9/11 shouting in the name Allah before he or hurt blew their dumb BUTT up !
72 Virgins my Butt ........IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE KORAN !

Hate Crimes
Dennis says: "A Koran in a toilet is a hate crime; a crucifix in pee is a work of art. Thanks in part to that brilliant term, "Islamophobia."
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I wasn't aware that hate crimes had been extended to religious icons, but this is another good example of why there should never be any such thing as a "hate crime". By their very nature they are selective in application.

Also, the Islamic religious scholars and authorities say that the Qur'an should NOT be placed in writing, so is a printed copy a real religious icon?

Où est Charles Martel aujourd'hui
Followers of Muhammad militarily invaded North Africa, the whole Mideast and Turkey, mainland Europe all the way to the gates of Vienna, the Iberian Penninsula, and pushed their way into France, all the way to Poitiers. It was not a peaceful invasion of kindly Muslim missionaries. At Poitiers they met Charles Martel, who by the Grace of God stopped them. To Martel we owe the survival of our European philosophy, literature, art, music, science and everything we call civilization. Wake up Europe! Wake up Christianity! These islamic "peceful" invaders of today mean business, just as those of yesteryear with their swords and shields and war horses. Where is a Charles Martel today, to save us from the barbarian hordes of Muhammad?

Robert
Robert writes: "I realize that almost no one outside the far right reads your column but try and not make this a "religious war""

I find people with Robert's (and Borghe's) mindset baffling to say the least. They refuse to understand the nature of the conflict or to accept the scope of it. Like Neville Chamberlain in the 30's and our modern Chamberlains (John Murtha, Russ Feingold, Harry Reid, Nancy Pilosi, et al) Robert is under the delusion that the threat we face is minor and isolated to radical fringe groups like Al Qaeda.

They refuse to see the history of this conflict between Islam and America, going back to the 1700's. They refuse to see the fact that nearly all of the major Islamic countries on the planet are not just ignoring terrorism around the world - slaughter in the name of Allah - but are actively supporting it financially, materially and by training terrorists.

One of the fundamental tenets of Shariah law (and ALL Islamic theocracies in the modern world practice it) is to kill or mutilate anyone who criticises, pokes fun at or insults Islam, Muhammed or Shariah law itself. Muslims, however do not hold themselves to that standard when dealing with Christians, Jews or any other religion for that matter.

Muslims will tell you that Shariah law is misunderstood by Westerners, yet their actions speak with far more truth than their words. Hundreds of thousands of people each year, some as young as nine years old, all over the world in Islamic countries are beheaded, hanged, stoned, tortured, whipped and mutilated for such Shariah law offenses as drinking alcohol, engaging in homosexual relations, stealing and committing adultery.

The Roberts and Borghes of the world will, no doubt, chalk this up to an odd excentricity of an otherwise loving and peaceful religion. The Roberts and the Borghes of the world think words speak louder than actions. The Roberts and the Borghes of the world confuse reality with "Islamophobia" just as they confuse criticism of gays as "homophobia."

The left in America, represented by such deep thinkers as Sean Penn, Borghe, Robert, and Rosie O'Donnell, are lightening quick to harp long and loud about every conceivable flaw we as Americans possess, (and we have many) yet are dead silent about the atrocities committed in EVERY Islamic country in the world. With the kind of blatent hypocrisy and, frankly, stupidity, that these people display on a daily basis, it's really difficult for me to swallow their claim of a fervent love of country, unless they're speaking of Iran, Syria or Egypt, et al.

Why do I call them stupid? Because under Shariah law, Rosie and Sean would both be executed - Rosie for her admitted homosexuality and Sean for making some of the most violent and decadent movies in the history of film - not to mention their drug and alcohol use and their adulterous sexual activities.

The left seems to live in some sort of delusional state of mind vis-a-vis Islam, Shariah law and their own advocacy of trying to co-exist with a group of people who want you dead.

I've yet to find an answer from any leftist on how you compromise with somebody whose one, obdurate goal is your death. How is compromise possible?

Do you let them hack off an arm or put you in a coma? And, pray tell, what do you get in return in this compromise? A promise not to kill you? How gracious. Or should I say, how Islamic.

To Paraphrase Kyle Reese (Terminator - 1984) "Listen. And understand. Islamic Fanatics are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until we are dead."


Prager
You claim "equation of Islamophobia with racism". But your examples do not bear this out.

You cite The Guardian, but it doesn't equate the two, it says "Islamophobia should be as unacceptable as racism". That's an analogy.

You cite the Australian B'nai B'rith Anti-Defamation Commission, but why stop at your quote? They do not equate the two, they say "Particularly following the September 11 attacks, both Muslim and Arab Australians have experienced a significant rise in Islamophobia and racism."

The similarity between them is obvious: What Islamophobia and racism have in common is prejudice or discrimination against a group.

The same can be said of antisemitism, prejudice or discrimination because of belief in a Judaic God and rejection the Christian Jesus. It wasn't until the 50s most Christians stopped that.


Then you associate that with religious correctness (akin to political correctness). Against religious correctness you posit the one and only gem of you commentary: "Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism, or Buddhism should be just as subject to criticism".

But then you return to your typical distortions: "the only religion the West permits criticism of is Christianity". You vaguely reference people like Harris, Dawkins and Hitchens as if they only criticize Christianity, but, if you bothered to read their books, they are equally critical of all religion, Islamic fanaticism a prime target.

And if you think it's OK criticizing Christianity, try it. All too often people take it personally as an insult. Believe me, it is still generally taboo to even raise the topic of religion.


You say "The fact remains that the term 'Islamophobia' has one purpose -- to suppress any criticism, legitimate or not, of Islam." The way I see it used is prejudice or discrimination against a group.

Can you find unique cases to support your prejudices, Dennis, sure, Koran in Toilet vs Piss_Christ, taken out of context will serve well as an emotional appeal. But specific cases of political correctness do not rise to the level of your generalizations about religious correctness.


I find it interesting that as soon as you show Hitler using Christianity to justify his actions the reaction is that's not true Christianity but a distortion of it. But how many rect against Islamophobia in the same way, and point out Bin Laden and other terrorists do not represent true Islam but a distortion of it?


As Mr D puts it "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but virtually all terrorists are Muslims." This justifies hating, hunting down and killing terrorists, not attacking a religion and its believers.


Those Christians and Jews constantly complaining about prejudice or discrimination against them for their beliefs should be the first to understand this.

borghe
whether you like to believe it or not it will come down to islam against the rest of the world; at the moment I like our odds. And personally it wouldn't bother me a bit if they all disappeared today, you cannot deny the world would be a much more peaceful place.

Borgie
When your "book" mandates killing people of other religions and instructes lying when needed to promote this agenda anone who does not regard muslims with suspicion is not paying attention.

Okay, maybe thats not the goal of all towlies but I look for to you letting us in on how we tell the difference. Until all your imammies decry those and other directions that appear in your "big book 'o' desert stuff" non-muslims have watch out for the muslims that will.

Robert & lonestarblues
Robert:

With all due respect this IS and HAS TO BE a religious war.

It's been well-documented that not only does Islam teach that people of other faiths are infidels, but people with NO faith are infidels as well.

Unlike Christianity or, more accurately, the Judeo-Christian values on which this country was founded, Islam in no way, shape, or form recognizes even a remotely secular government.

Your refusal to bring religion into this war ignores both those salient points and another:

Terrorism is done in the name of religion. It won't stop if we suddenly decide to make this a secular war.

In fact, I believe it is only through the Christian faith that we will ultimately win the war against terrorism.

lonestarblues:

Christianity IS the only religion openly criticized and persecuted in the West. Public schools have classes on Islam, but a high school valedictorian mentions "Christ" in her speech and the plug is pulled. Colleges install footbaths for Muslims while removing a crucifix from a Christian chapel. Dawkins, et. al. may be critical of all religions, but time and again they single out ONE - Christianity - as the worst (because, you know, Christians blow up and behead people on a daily basis).

Racism - by definition - singles out a group of people based on the color of their skin. Islam is not restricted to Arabs, or blacks, or whites. Therefore, because the RACES of its followers vary, it cannot be racist to object to the ideology.

Racism is merely a canard that PC people use to browbeat everyone else into accepting their skewed vision of the world.

Until Islam stops encouraging its followers to commit flagrant acts of terrorism in the name of Allah, you'd better be damn sure I'm going to speak out against it.

If that makes me an "Islamophobe", so be it. I'd rather be afraid of a dangerous ideology that blown to bits by its followers.

For Clarity
The guy who (dumped) the Korans stole them from a library - so there was an underlying criminal act.

I don't approve of the charging of thought crimes but I do think we should be intellectualy honest by including the full relevent context of the incident - when comparing the Koran event to the Cross event.

For the record though I find both acts disgusting, I think if we are going to tolerate (celebrate) the degrading of one religion's symbols, we have to tolerate the degrading of any religion's symbols, (assuming property rights are respected).

borghe
for starters they could round up every muslim in the US who is not a born citizen and deport them to the land of their origins; as for the rest neutron bombs come to mind.

ben Haggai
"Wake up Europe! Wake up Christianity! These islamic "peceful" invaders of today mean business, just as those of yesteryear with their swords and shields and war horses. Where is a Charles Martel today, to save us from the barbarian hordes of Muhammad?"

And when the Christians came into power they didn't kill every unbeliever who would not convert? They didn't slaughter each other too? Come on what were Christions doing in the 1400's? Far worse than Islam which has now been around about 1400 years. Fight terrorists yes attack a whole religion and everyone who believes it? Well careful what you ask for..

Omni!
A neutron bomb? Isn't that a bit extreme? Well, on second thought....

englishqueen01
Why stop at Islam? shouldn't we kill Hindu's, Jews and wait a minute what about those who don't believe the "right" Christianity like the Mormans and maybe Catholics? They can all be and at some time were violient.

I think we played this sad game in Europe from several hundred years. No thanks

Bigoteder than thou

Enough people will find an excuse to fear, hate, torment and kill each other to keep the world in turmoil for some time to come. One of the problems I have with discussions of this type is that many of the posters saying awful things about each other are all too correct.

It's pretty easy to demonstrate that many Muslims, even the respectable ones, lack the openmindedness we're accustomed to in the West. It's also apparent that many Townhall columnists and posters feel that the West's great weakness is that we're too wishy-washy. If we could crack down once and for all on these (fill in the blank, depending on who your favorite enemy is) guilt-ridden liberals, fat angry lesbians, Hollywood seducers, demonic ragheads, Senate blowhards, atheist creepozoids, media self-promoters, arrogant coasties, complacent greedheads, and on and on, then everything would be hunky-dory.

In short, if we could just everybody to CONFORM
and TO BE JUST LIKE ME, the world would be a beautiful place.

Too wishy-washy, too fierce, too in thrall to bogus ideologies. . . gosh, it's hard to keep track of all the ways to go wrong.

"Phobia" implies irrational fear
based on no verifiable threat/stimuli. The term "Islamophobia" is designed to assign neurosis to those who recognize that there is something to fear from those who seek to subjugate others through force or attrition to their form of theocratic government. As a term, "Islamophobia" is manipulative and slimy, as it bends reality to the detriment of the free world. I would expect nothing less from intelligentsia.

Borghe
You need to get over yourself. Take a pill. Get some sleep.

Islamophobia is a Brilliant Term
Many of the comments posted thus far illustrate just how correct Dennis was with his article's title. Some of these commentators inarticulate rants, suggest they might be better off actually reading the Koran. Then try to explain exactly how Islam is a religion of peace!

Unlike any other religion, Islam teaches it's members to treat non-members with contempt. Lying is allowed as is killing those who don't believe. Islam was created by a war-lord who raided, looted and killed. Not exactly my idea of the basis for a religion of peace.

How are we supposed to respect Islam when killing has been a way of growing this religion since it's inception? Jesus once said you can tell a tree by it's fruit. And the fruit of Islam is intolerance, hate and murder. Fear of such fruit isn't a phobia but common sense.

Robert and Hal D
As for making this a religious war...it has been a religious war for over 1300 years. Islam commands war against all who are not muslims. All of us infidels are to be converted, killed, or enslaved. Christians and Jews didn't start it, and are too scared of the PC police to declare it, but that's what it is and none of the European and liberal whining about it can change that fact.

borghe
it is different in this one respect the Jews were not, at least as far as I know, intent on having everyone believe as they do and willing to kill or die as a result.
If the muslims were to live and let live; no problem, but that is not and has not ever been demonstrated. Consequently when it comes down to them or me I would prefer it to be them.

How many Muslims are radical?
An apologist for Muslim causes recently said that extremist Muslims were very rare, no more than "10 to 15 percent." Do the math, there are over 1.2 billion Muslims, so the total number of radicals is 12 to 18 million. Probably more, because the apologist is likely understating the percentage. That is a lot of people, no matter how you cut it.

For those of you who can't see the difference, let me ask a simple question, "Can Islam co-exist with other religions?" Don't know the answer? Check the Koran, "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them." (Sura 9:73)

Any doubts? How about this from Ayatollah Khomeini? "Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!" (Amir Taheri)

If only 12 million Muslims, including the leadership of Iran, believe this, the threat is clear and immediate.

Thanks Redsand
The very first post from "Robert" states "No one outside the far right reads your column." That's obviously not true as evidenced by all the liberal nut jobs who read this column just so they can denigrate Dennis Prager.

How anyone could find fault with what is a perfectly reasonable assessment is beyond me. These critics don't care what the topic is or what Prager says. They will slam him no matter what because that is the only reason they visit this site.

gretske
Now, don't be bringin' facts into this debate. You're going to give Borghe heartburn.

What's irrational about Islamophobia?
The problem with liberals is that they can't make the distinction between rational discrimination and irrational discrimination.

There's nothing irrational about being "Islamophobic". It's about the most rational reponse a human can have.

Borghe
The killing commands in the Old Testament were specific in their scope. Yahweh commanded the Israelites to kill all non-Israelites in a specific area and be done with it. Nowhere does he command to kill or enslave all non-believers worldwide for as long as the world exists.

Since the False Prophet, when he made up the religion of Islam, made the deity of that 'religion' say that ALL non-muslims were to be killed/converted/enslaved, he was the original proponent of the Final Solution. Any muzzie who does not abide by this central command of Islam is not a true muslim.

Borghe Borghe
Let's start here first, you said to Dennis:

"While you as a Jew and memeber of the board of Holocaust Memorial find excuses here for fear and loathing of all muslims and persecution of them based on their beliefs, you might wan to stop"

You're basically comparing apples to oranges here. Tell me when secular groups of Jews during or before WWII occurred, organized murderous rogue gangs to kill any man, woman, or child who was a non Jew? Yep, I thought so.

We all know that not all Muslims are wanting to murder us, those are the people we don't refer to as Muslim Extremists. In the US, Muslims are our neighbors, our vendors, and our doctors, and we trust them, but we are alert.

Take for instance how our military in Fort Dix trusted their pizza delivery guy? Take for instance the Muslim doctors many patients had trusted and what they planned to do in the UK and in the US.

Go ahead and spit on those people who have a cognitive sense of the world around them, who can go about their lives living in peace with Muslims in the US until we find out later that a few of them were planning on killing our own citizens en masse. And yet, we still live among them peacefully here.

Keith Ellison you mentioned? Dennis was right on that mark, and right from the start. Yes we have freedom of religion in this country, and although Dennis may not have conveyed it, it was a red flag that Ellison was so adamant about being sworn in the the Koran. Now look at what Ellison is doing---having meetings of anti-American propaganda with liberal extremist sheep. Is he building roads, cutting taxes, making schools better as any public servant of its people should? No...He's using his authority his people voted on to spew his hatred for our country. Bravo. Freedom of speech and religion at its best. I hear the Muslim extremist taxi drivers at the airports give him two thumbs up.

If you haven't noticed what's going on in the world, there are many secular groups of Muslim Extremists who wish to kill us all, especially you. They are training their children early on to learn hatred towards anything not Muslim, and they are all ready to die in order to take us out. They aren't senstive like you are and prefer to call people like us Pigs and Vermin. They are taught that we are not human. Does this tug at your heart strings?

So go ahead and defend all Muslims. I truly feel bad for those people who are peaceful, love this country, and wish to make a better life for themselves without fear of being pegged as a terrorist. But the fact is, and even they know this even though you don't seem to, is that unfortunately, they have thousands of rotten apples in their group that wish to kill us all and have done a great job doing so. Why were they so successful? Because people like you chose to turn a blind eye all in the name of the mental disease called Liberalism.

Mr. D
Sorry, I forgot myself. I guess I should start reading the New York Times more often.

God Wins in the End
Today's Muslims were yesteryear's Philistines, Babylonians, Assyrians and so on.

They were the enemies of God then and are today.

God wins in the end. But these monsters can and will wreak much mayhem and misery in the meantime.

They must be opposed today as they were then: With strength and resolve.

Whether Borghe and his buddies like that or not.

Borghe
No matter how much you try to persuade us, the problem here isn't us. It's the Muslims. You keep asking people for a solution. Why don't you offer one? And please don't say we should be unprejudiced. We have reasonable fears.

Women who worry about a serial rapist have acted with fear towards all men. That is unfair to those who innocent, but they have a right to protect themselves. I cannot ever recall a leftist saying that such women were prejudiced. But when it comes to Muslims, the situation is vastly different. Somehow, it is prejudiced to act to protect oneself.

But we have a right to protect ourselves. We cannot tell which Muslims we should fear and which we shouldn't, so it is reasonable to fear all.

And while you are nitpicking about our "prejudices," you are offering us nothing in the way of a solution to anything. What about honor killings? What should be done about them? What about rapes of non-Muslim women because they were "inappropriately" dressed? What about the murder of apostates? Europe is beset by all these problems, but when people try to deal with them, they are slammed by people like you for being racist.

Stop making us the problem, because we aren't.

englishqueen01
"Dawkins, et. al. may be critical of all religions, but time and again they single out ONE - Christianity - as the worst (because, you know, Christians blow up and behead people on a daily basis)."

Sorry if you feel persecuted but that is not true. Read their books and see. Naturally, if they are addressing a Western audience, especially an American one, which as a society is largely Christian, they will speak to what is most familiar to their audience.

What exactly is the problem with criticism of any religion? Even Prager supports that.


You say "Racism is merely a canard that PC people use to browbeat everyone else into accepting their skewed vision of the world."

And I agree, same canard as religious correctness.

But the only one I see saying that is Prager. Others, as I pointed out, compare Islamophobia to racism, they do not equate it.

You say "Until Islam stops encouraging its followers to commit flagrant acts of terrorism in the name of Allah, you'd better be damn sure I'm going to speak out against it."

Islam does not do this, particular people do, like Bin Laden, like Ahmadinejad. They distort Islam just like Hitler did, just like the Westboro Baptist Church does.

Those are the ones to fear...fear? No, like I said, go after, hunt down and kill.

Liberalism Made America Great?
What a hoot! Today's liberals stand four-square against everything America once stood for: Industriousness, personal responsibility, high moral standards, honesty, liberty and the freedom to make a better life for oneself without the nanny state intruding into every aspect of life.

If liberals have their way, we'll all be poor and miserable.

Borghe
You don't seem to comprehend the written English word very well. Again, you put words in my mouth. I never claimed all Muslims are terrorists. Like most of humanity the vast majority of Muslims are lemmings who follow their leaders. They are either blindly obedient or at best ambivalent to the world around them. There is a percentage, however - the street estmate is 10% - of Islam who believe that the west should be destroyed and replaced with a worlwide Caliphate.

Borghe writes: "Now... there are several million muslims in USA. Do you find it reasonable and non-hateful to claim that ALL of them, every single one of them, every man, woman and a child are threat to your life and security based on their religion."

Bob answers: Muslims in America do not live under Shariah law (yet) nor are all but a amall percentage plotting against the west. What's your point? Are you suggesting that just because Muslims in America don't engage in the barbaric behavior common in the Islamic countries of the world that that proves that Islam is a peaceful religion - benign, loving and tolerant?

Let me ask you a question; if some city in America adopted Shariah law and began stoning, whipping and beheading women and children, would you just accept it as practicing their religion of peace? Would those who (rightfully) protested in outrage then be considered by you to be bigots and "Islamophobes?" After all, who are we to judge?

Borghe writes: "If that is the case, what do you suggest that is done to muslim minority in USA and do you believe that people who confess islam have the same freedom of religion you do?"

Bob answers: I don't suggest anything. I wasn't talking about those Muslims in America who aren't plotting the west's demise, and you damned well know it.

Borghe writes: "Are you saying that all muslims are to bne treated like terrorists in society and if so, hoaw does that differ from how Jews have been treated by antisemitist societies."

Bob answers: No. How in the name of hell did you arrive at that idiotic conclusion?

Borghe writes: "And do you believe that this anti-islam bigotry is going to help in any way USA in war against muslim terrorism? Are you saying that the only waty to "win" is to become as bad or even worse than the opponents."

Bob answers: Again, you equate a recognition of reality with "bigotry."

You are right about one thing, though. The ONLY way to beat Islamic terrorism is to be worse thn they are. You can't fight terrorism (or any war for that matter) by being polite (that's a liberal fantasy). If you don't have the stomach to wage war to win, then you shouldn't engage in it at all.

The only way to win a war is to apply as much force as possible in the shortest time possible - a concept taught by military scholors throughout history from Sun Tzu to Rommel to modern military tacticians and strategists. If they bring a sword, you bring a gun. If they bring a gun, crush the bastards' ability and will to fight by any means necessary and end the thing as quickly as possible. Period..

Unfortunately, politicians can see no further than their next election and most put that election before the good of the country for which the work. In their arrogance and stupidity, they worry about hurting the feelings of the very people they're fighting and in the process screw the people who're risking their lives or dying to keep morons like Harry Reid protected.

They already hate us so winning the hearts and minds of the enemy is a useless and ludicrous concept.

Borghe writes: And byy the way would you apporove if I said that all christians are murderers because of abortion clinic bombings or that all Catholics are pedophiles?

Bo answers: Don't be ridiculous. Your all or nothing BS is a sophmoric red herring.

Shells
"Go ahead and spit on those people who have a cognitive sense of the world around them, who can go about their lives living in peace with Muslims in the US until we find out later that a few of them were planning on killing our own citizens en masse. And yet, we still live among them peacefully here."

My problem is I wonder how many of those "with a cognitive sense of the world around them" hold passports or even know a Muslim. I suspect most are fearful rightwing bunker dwellers with little to no worldly experience

Victor Borghe
You're pretty funny. Thanks for proving my point that liberals cannot make the distinction between rational discrimination and irrational discrimination.

Thank you, M Sederoff
Your assessment is correct of course, many visit this site simply to try to discredit anything from a conservative perspective. Truth and facts are often victims of their twisted logic. I do enjoy divergent views, but not when they can't logically express or defend their positions. In the absence of logic, distortion becomes their main course and slander their dessert.

Borghe
I admit I am prejudiced and bigoted, against anyone who would want to kill me, my family, my fellow citizens, innocent civilians or "unbelievers." There, I said it. And, anyone who is a radical follower of Islam is a threat, whether they live the USA or outside. Do I think we should do anything that is necessary to protect ourselves against those who would kill us "unbelievers?" Uh, let me think? YES!

Now, a pop quiz for you! Did I say ALL Muslims are a threat?

Don't answer too quickly, think it over. I know you can do it!

gretske
You think more highly of Borghe than I do.

Mr. D
"Liberalism Made America Great?
What a hoot! Today's liberals stand four-square against everything America once stood for: Industriousness, personal responsibility, high moral standards, honesty, liberty and the freedom to make a better life for oneself without the nanny state intruding into every aspect of life.

If liberals have their way, we'll all be poor and miserable."

Completely incoherent statement.

Liberals are the rebels and our Founding Fathers were never considered conservatives

The South in the Civil War was conservative wanting to maintain the "old ways and values". The North was liberal

What you seem to want to call "Nanny State" is really cooperation and mutual investment. That cooperation is what built the railroads that opened the west, won WW II and the Cold War. No it may not have been pretty but liberalism did build this nation

The every man for himself conservatism you advocate never existed in this nation and the closest I have seen anything like with you advocate is found in third world countries. You may want to get a passport and check some out

Borghe
NEEEEP!

Wrong answer. Sorry, Mr. D was right, you couldn't answer the question.

How about this, as a Christian, I condemn anyone who would kill and conquer in the name of Christianity.

Any Muslim who is willing to join with me and condemn those of their religion who follow the dictates of the Kuran to do the same, I embrace. Those who won't, I suspect.

Only 10% of Muslims are terrorists
I don't know who came up with that 10% number, but it means there are a lot of terrorists. That also means, if true, that there are a lot more Muslims who are peace loving good neighbors; the probllem I have is that the 90% seem to remain hidden somewhere. Maybe the 10% number was fictitious; maybe there are only 10% peace loving Muslims.

KILLERPHOBIA, IT IS
We are not afraid if Islam! WE are afraid of people who want to kill us ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LIKE THEM.

Hal Donahue
Here is some cognitive observation of the world. Terrorism exists. The people who commit these acts of terror are sub-human savages unfit to occupy this earth. The acts they commit are evil, there is no other way to describe it.
Now, it would be false to say that all muslims are terrorists. However, it would be true to say that all terrorists seem to be muslim. It is also true that the remaining muslims are mostly silent about the radicals. So it follows therefore that Islam as a whole, rightly or wrongly, is feared by a lot of us who happen to prefer living. It really has nothing to do with political ideaology, because whether you like it or not, they want to kill you too.

BORGHE ET AL
2007 - TODAY - CHRISTIANITY has only one message - love the other person.

KORAN says kill non-muslims.

DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

Borghe
Borghe writes: "Hittingbhard against who: the civilians? The lemmings as you call them? Why not then attack civilians in USA like omni suggested. Why not be really bad and get rid of all the muslims inside US?

And what you call sophomoric red herring is precisely what you claim: because of actions of some all muslims are suspect. then why not all cotaholics shouldn't be suspected of being pedophiles? Or do you reserve that lie only to gays?"

Bob answers: God you are thick. Did you actually READ MY POST? For the fourth time, ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS!!! Did Islam earn the suspicion they have brought on themselves? You're damned right they have and I have no sympathy for them. I watched scores of Muslims dancing with joy in the city I live in on 9/11 when the two towers collapsed.

Let me answer you this way. If my son had been molested by a Catholic priest I would have killed the priest myself. Do I think all Priests are pedophiles? Of course not. But would I be wary of any other priests who came in contact with my young son? YES!!

And you never answered my question (as you never do) I answer your questions. Why do you ignore mine. I repeat:

Let me ask you a question; if some city in America adopted Shariah law and began stoning, whipping and beheading women and children, would you just accept it as practicing their religion of peace? Would those who (rightfully) protested in outrage then be considered by you to be bigots and "Islamophobes?" After all, who are we to judge?

borghe et al
2007 - TODAY - CHRISTIANITY has only one message - love the other person.

KORAN says kill non-muslims.

DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

Robert, Lonestarblues and borghe, et al.
I am not a scholar of the religion of Islam or of Muhammad. However, I have read "The Truth About Muhammad" by Robert Spencer who is a scholar of the religion of Islam and Muhammad. The truth is that the religion as interpreted by the scholars down through time espouses complete rule through shria law. Everyone will be offered the chance to become Muslim and a follower of Muhammad. The following is from Wikipedia:

"Islamic law divides non-Muslims into several categories, depending on their relation with the Islamic state. Those who live under Islamic rule are known as dhimmis; they must pay tribute to the Islamic state, and as such receive permanent protection. They are permitted to practice their religion to a certain extent, and to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy.[98] Atheists and agnostics, however, are considered beyond the pale of tolerance.[99] Dhimmis are subject to legal and social restrictions as well as humiliating regulations meant to highlight the inferiority of non-Muslim subjects. [100] Those who live in non-Muslim lands (dar al-harb) are known as harbis, and upon entering into an alliance with the Muslim state become known as ahl al-ahd. Those who receive a guarantee of safety while residing temporarily in Muslim lands are known as ahl al-aman. Their legal position is similar to that of the dhimmi except that they are not required to pay the jizya. The people of armistice (ahl al-hudna) are those who live outside of Muslim territory and agree to refrain from attacking the Muslims.[101][102] Apostasy is prohibited, and is punishable by death.[103][104]"

Yes, lots of finger pointing can be done towards the Christian religion as there have been many bad things done in it's name. Just as there are many good and bad things done in the name of Muhammad and Islam. However, the teachings of Jesus do not promote violence, yet Muhammad's teachings and actions do.

The differences in the adherents to Islam are the same as the differences in the adherents to Christianity. There are those that vary from far left liberal to far right conservative. But the difference still remains that Jesus taught us:

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Dennis, as always a very clear and concise dissertation of the subject. And as always there are those whose minds are locked closed. This is indeed, a spiritual war with a very dangerous ideology.

Borghe and Hal
Of course, putting words in my mouth. You argue like a leftist. You twist what I say and others have said and then scoot because you've been pegged and you can't manage your way out of it.

"And Shells: so freedom of religion applies to Christians only and all other should be subjected to the tuyrammy of Christians inclusing swearing otahs on religious texts who they do not believe in?"

Did I say that? No I didn't. You happen to hate Christians more than the terrorists who plan to murder us. Tell me, when was the last time you went on a plane, in the mall, in a coffee shop and had some one try to blow it up in the name of Christianity? When was the last time the 700 Club held beheadings on television?

"You "feel bad" about muslims you denigrate and call murderers. They really need that kind of "bleeding heart". Be honest, you don't care one bit wjat happens to them. As long as you can spread your hatred and prejudice and make excuses for it."

There you go again. You twist. There's a defining difference between a Muslim and a Muslim extremist. I can tell the difference, and you refuse to because it doesn't hold up to your agenda that Christians are worse.

"And the disease you call "liberalism" is what made America great. What you're asking for is the same religious bigotry and theocracy that made... Pakistan what it is now."

Yeah and don't you forget it when our soldiers are fighting for your right to spit on this country. Trust me, if we didn't have a military to take care of your liberalism in what makes this country great, I wonder how long your freedom of speech and stupidity would keep you alive.

And Hal.....

"My problem is I wonder how many of those "with a cognitive sense of the world around them" hold passports or even know a Muslim. I suspect most are fearful rightwing bunker dwellers with little to no worldly experience"

I raise my hand. I have a passport, and I work and live amongst Muslims. They are co-workers and they are friends. And in this melting pot we live in today, I suspect many of those right wing dwellers can tell the difference as well.

thinker
"We are not afraid if Islam! WE are afraid of people who want to kill us ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LIKE THEM."


I guess the key point is you are afraid. This article and the postings seem to ouze fear even more than hatred. Fear not folks we will protect you

thinker
"CHRISTIANITY has only one message - love the other person.

KORAN says kill non-muslims.

DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?"

Actually I am not at all sure that the folks on the wrong side of the Inquisition and the religious wars did either

Borghe, you are...
big, fat liar. How dare you call Dennis a liar after posting generalizations, misconceptions and outright lies? You insist that posters here claim that every muslim is a terrorist. I have read all posts and nobody claims that. Like EVERY liberal you like to twist the discussion around and get off the subject. None of your posts can refute Dennis's claim that islamophobia is a dishonest and yet brilliant word. It worked on you but like with EVERY liberal: end justifies the means.
The most repulsive generalization you created when you made a ridiculous claim that every Catholic is a pedophile because there were priests abusing young boys. It isn’t so and you know it but my issue is with your use of term pedophilia. The abusive priests were homosexuals not pedophiles. It makes a huge difference, doesn't it? Hopefully the Church will learn its lesson and will close its doors to active homosexuals and send them back to bathhouses.

Muslims are a really diverse group
They hate and want to kill everybody, in the true spirit of multiculturalism how much more diverse can they get?
This hooey that the religion and the people need to be kept separate is flat wrong. Regular Muslims can stop this crap tomorrow if they really wanted to, but they dislike the Infidels just as much as the weird beards do.
As soon as Islam starts acting responsibly then I'll stop my un-diverse attitude towards them. But when they put explosive vests on school children then I wish them all to go to that dark hot place below.
Let AP, Reuters,CNN and Time put that in their pipe and smoke it. These news services are just as guilty as the parents who send those kids off to blow themselves up because of ratings.

People, people...
Don't believe your eyes. Don't believe your ears. Do not trust history. Pay no attention to world events.

Listen to borghe. He knows more than you do.

The evil lies not in the religion that demands your submission or death, but in the stiff-necked freedom-loving fools that refuse islam.


Sheels
"Tell me, when was the last time you went on a plane, in the mall, in a coffee shop and had some one try to blow it up in the name of Christianity?"

Nothern Ireland and the UK twenty years or so ago

hal et al - DO NOT ASSS-U, ME NOT
I said "WE" as Americans. Big difference.

WE, including YOU< ARE afraid of people who want (and say IT) to kill people WHO ARE NOT like them.
You are not a muslim, I guess. They want to kill you. You may stick your head deep into their back opening, they still WANT TO chop it off.

Try to think.

If you are not afraid of being an "innocent dead bystander", you are lying.

Borghe
"Does any of what you have said entitle persecuting and supecting all muslims?"

I gave an analogy, which you ignored. Does the existence of a serial rapist in town give a woman the right to suspect all males? Answer my question, and I'll answer yours. I'm betting most feminists would say yes.

"the difference between your mindst and the islamist extremists was what excatly"

My mindset is based on my survival, while theirs is based on imposing their own horrid beliefs on everyone else.

Shells
"And the disease you call "liberalism" is what made America great. What you're asking for is the same religious bigotry and theocracy that made... Pakistan what it is now."

Yeah and don't you forget it when our soldiers are fighting for your right to spit on this country. Trust me, if we didn't have a military to take care of your liberalism in what makes this country great, I wonder how long your freedom of speech and stupidity would keep you alive. "

A lot of our military is liberal the values of liberalism are the values of a good miolitary and soldier


"I raise my hand. I have a passport, and I work and live amongst Muslims. They are co-workers and they are friends. And in this melting pot we live in today, I suspect many of those right wing dwellers can tell the difference as well."

Oh I doubt that let's see folks please answer..

again, hal donno hue
WE ARE TALKING TODAY.

TODAY, CHRISTIANITY SAYS: LOVE EVERYBODY,EVEN IDIOTS LIKE YOU.

ISLAM SAYS KILL ALL NON-MUSLIMS, EVEN THOSE ASH- KISSERS LIKE YOU.


SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

IF NOT, GO "THERE" AND YOU MAY COME BACK WITH YOUR HEAD UNDER YOUR ARM. THE LEFT ONE.

What a mess of a column this is
I could probably find something wrong with every single paragraph of this piece, but I'll focus on just two for now.

Prager: Of course, some may argue that whereas conservatism and liberalism are ideas, Islam is a religion, and while one can attack ideas, one must not attack religions. It is, however, quite insulting to religions to deny that they are ideas. Religions are certainly more than ideas -- they are theological belief systems -- but they are also ideas about how society should be run just as much as liberalism and conservatism are. Therefore, Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism, or Buddhism should be just as subject to criticism as conservatism or liberalism.

Phylo: First of all, who says that religions aren't ideas. Of course they are ideas.

Secondly, a "theological belief system" isn't more than ideas; it IS a set of ideas. Beliefs ARE ideas.

Thirdly, Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Budhism ARE just as subject to criticism as conservatism and liberalism. As if all of these ideas aren't subject to daily attacks from their ideological opponents.

This mess of a paragraph comes from the guy who supposedly cares so much about clarity?


Prager: However, the only religion the West permits criticism of is Christianity. People write books, give lectures and conduct seminars on the falsity of Christian claims, or on the immoral record of Christianity, and no one attacks them for racism or bigotry, let alone attacks them physically. The head of the Anti-Defamation League announces that conservative Christians are the greatest threat to America today, and no one charges him with racism or Christianophobia.

Phylo: What in the world is he talking about? Where in the United States is it not permitted to criticize religions other than Christianity. I regularly hear people who subscribe to Judeo–Christian values publicly criticizing Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism. Tune into Olive Tree Ministries for example, or some of the other right wing Christian shows. Michael Medved regularly criticizes Islam in incredibly harsh and juvenile ways. Has he been persecuted for his criticism? No.

By the way, Prager regularly calls the left the greatest threat to America today. Has he been shut down or censored in any way? I'm sure he gets complaints, but no one ever promised that one who criticizes an ideology should be free from all consequences of their criticism.

This column is an incoherent mess. If I had to sum it up I guess it would probably boil down to: I should be able to criticize Islam without having anyone question or challenge my criticisms.

Phylo out.

thinker
"If you are not afraid of being an "innocent dead bystander", you are lying. "

I stopped fearing death a long time ago and will never live in fear

BORGHE, NOT A TOTAL IDIOT
are you blind, deaf, and cannot smell?

Koran in 9toilet) water -BIG CRIME!!!!

Other religions' symbols in URINE - FINE, NO PROBLEM!!!!!

YOU ARE NOT A TOTAL IDIOT - A FEW PIECES ARE MISSING.

thinker
"SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

IF NOT, GO "THERE" AND YOU MAY COME BACK WITH YOUR HEAD UNDER YOUR ARM. THE LEFT ONE."

I have both lived and worked there.

The Muslim problem
There are those of us who know Muslims represent a problem, and those who refuse to accept this. Of those who refuse to accept this, there are certain responses the rest of us have become familiar with:

1. "You are a racist." (Most of us say nothing against Hindus, Sikhs, etc.)
2. "You are stereotyping." (Refer to the analogy I used at 8:25 about women and a serial rapist.)
3. "Christians are just as bad." (Very dubious.)
4. "They are just responding to their victimization by the West." (Which is why they're also attacking India.)
5. "They don't represent an existential threat." (We don't know that. Anyway, why wait till they are?)

Does anyone know of any others?

hal donno duce
beacuse you are not afaid of death, please let others feel what they might...

But we have to do as you want us to do, like muslims...?

From now on, I am "Mr. Thinker" to you.


hal donno fuhrer
times, they are a changin'.............Donno-Van

that was then.

Now they would rip your head off BEFORE you could kiss their behind.

hal
is right as well. The Crusaders who drove out the peaceful hordes of muslims that were sacking europe were the bad guys. Christians had no right to self government, or even exist.

They should have allowed the muslims to enslave and kill them. To fight back and actually win is an intolerable affront to islam.

Besides, what happened centuries ago is far more important than what happens today or tomorrow. If Christians had any honor, they would kill themselves, right hal?

Liberal Phobias:
Peanut Butter, cars without seatbelts, George W. Bush, dogs without leashes, second-hand smoke, crosses on public property, red meat, heterosexual marriage, the Ten Commandments, corporal discipline, capital punishment for brutal murderers, dairy products, the internal combustion engine, masculine men, feminine women, private citizens with guns, drivers with cell phones, un-neutered pets, zoos, SUVs, prayer at football games, keeping score at children's soccer games, and Talk Radio.

thinker
You appear to be a fearful little person. As I told you earlier don't worry we will protect you.

JFP
Borghe never answers questions. He only asks rhetorical ones.

Borghe! You haven't answered my question!

If some predominantly Muslim city in America adopted Shariah law and began stoning, whipping and beheading women and children, would you just accept it as practicing their religion of peace?

If said city started forcing tribute from Dhimmis, and forcing all others to convert to Islam, would you consider it none of your concern and denounce those who protested as "Islamophobes?"

Would those who (rightfully) protested in outrage then be considered by you to be bigots? After all, who are we to judge?

thinker
LOL gee that was just last year too....

donn0o nottink
inquisition??? wAKE UP!

PAST CANNOT HURT US.

TODAY, CHRISTIANITY SAYS: LOVE EVEN IDIOTS LIKE DONNO HUE

KORAN SAYS TODAY - KILL THAT DORK.

9/11 - AN ACT OF ISLAM LOVE?


Snake bites
If I hear a snake rattling, it is not phobic to fear him.

In fact, it is stupid not to fear him.

today's article
Overall good article, but strongly disagee with one point; You stated that those who opposed Israels policies which would include are relationship with Israel are not labele antisemitic. In actual fact that is not true. I remember Summers ( forgot his first name ) who was recent president of Harvard state that those who criticized Israel's and US policies with Israe were in effect anitsemitic. It is interesting that Stephen Walt's and John Mearsheimer's paper published in 2006 ( I read a review of it in NYT op ed collumn in April 2006 )which was critical of the Israeli lobby and PAC as not serving the US's best interests received minimal attention in mainstream media - even though it was in my opinion a bombshell not only for its content but because the authors were Jewish professors at Universities of Chicago and Harvard - because I suspect commenting favorably on it would have been considered anitsemitic. WR Nickerson

DONNO NOTINK
END OF MY DISSCUSSION WITH AN IDIOT.
FUKKK OFF.

annthem
you are off your meds again you did ask me to remind you when I saw that happening

Folks
I know you are going to miss me but I must run to a meeting. But be well and enjoy the day.

Oh, just slowly read all the postings here - you should be ashamed....

Profiling Snakes
In the Los Angeles area, our only poisonous snakes are Rattlers.

If I check all snakes to see if they have a rattle, that is profiling.

It is also smart.

Failure to profile snakes can lead to snake bites.

Failure to profile Muslims can lead to... well you know the answer.

Shells
I think you've said it all. Just wanted to ditto your response to Hal. I guess you could call me a fellow right wing dweller, and I try to take all people on an individual basis. But I am watchful and mindful in today's world.

Chuck Zito said it all, "Treat me or my family well, and I'll treat you better. Treat me or my family bad, and I'll treat you worse."


ThighMaster
Thanks!

For Hal Donahue
Based on your posts, I'd say you are an old school liberal. Things are not as they once were in liberalism- it has indeed become all about big government control and abdication of responsibility for the masses.

Most of my colleagues in Trenton send their kids to private schools while standing against school choice for others, enjoy 6+ weeks vacation per year along with a 35 hour work week (and would strike if conditions changed), would NEVER partcipate in a universal healthcare plan (and have been clear about that), and have absolutely no idea how revenue is generated in the first place. We have millions of dollars invested in programs that don't even exist, but can't do anything about because they are in minority controlled systems.

I find the liberals I work with live by none of the rules and conditions they place on others. Just as one person, I have to waste up to $10,000.00 per fiscal year to ensure the next year's funding. That speaks volumes to me. The only difference between the public and private sectors is eventual accountability, and the public sector has none. Without a private sector, there is no public- period.

If this is your idea of cooperation and sharing, I'd have to wonder how thick the insulation around you is- because clearly you are not speaking from experience, only from the abstract.

The glue that holds...
the most successful terrorists together is a common religion and that is Islam. The Muslims are being given a pass by the left when it comes to behavior. There is this trend not to consider their common religion. Christians in the USA are not being afforded the same protection under the 1st Amendment as other religions. Abraham Foxman of the Jewis Anti Defamation League consistently refers to dangerous Christians. Christians that support Israel and support the Jewish faith in general are being criticized by Foxman. His apparent reasoning for this attitude is Bible Believing Christians tend to be political conservatives and he is a liberal. There is a concerted effort to remove Christians from public view and this is not an American ideal.

Hal Donahue
"I stopped fearing death a long time ago and will never live in fear"

Are you willing to do what Salman Rushdie or Theo van Gogh did?

Hal
I'm trying to figure out where I advocate "every man for himself conservatism." Cooperation and government dictates are not the same thing. And when I read the writings of the Founders, I see little resemblence between what they said and what I hear from Clinton, Obama and Edwards. And liberals seem to have a deep disdain for the Constitution -- e.g., free speech for them but not for those with whom they disagree, 2nd Amendment, so-called separation of church and state. With every passing year, government intrudes more and more into our personal lives. Do you honestly believe this is what Jefferson, Washington, et al, had in mind?

Shells, Bob, JFP
Thanks for the great posts against that Borghe person who has severe Triple-L syndrome. (la-la-land) He cannot see the forest for the trees. If I could bet money that he changed his identity from Bradford to Borghe. Same spew different day wit a few inteligent words tossed in here and there. Click my name and check out my blog. Scroll down to "From an Army CSM" and check out the commnents by bradford.

More Liberal Phobias
A strong America, living without a "nanny state," living up to standards, Dick Cheney, freedom of speech, calling animals "pets," Joe Camel, chastity, Dr. James Dobson, "Doctor Laura," the "Religious Right," men who compliment women, W.A.S.P.s, and the USA winning in Iraq.

Hal writes
A lot of our military is liberal the values of liberalism are the values of a good miolitary and soldier

He obviously has no clue. The vast majority of our military is conservative, but what would I know having only been in the Navy for 17.5 years and having served aboard 6 carriers?

hal, robert, borghe
Since you three are a bit more rational than libs on other site, question for you guys-what is your answer to our situation? I guess I should first ask, do you guys even think there is a war on terror, or, do you believe that there are those who want to end our way of life? What is your answer, how to handle this?
Robert, this is a religious war that was declared on us many years ago. We did not make it so, it was called on us. You seem savvy, how does the koran say to handle infidels?
Hal, good point on Northern Ireland but I don't think that is a true religious war. Sure, Protestants against Christians but not the same as what we are dealing with. Don't think it's the same. Don't think the Catholics want to kill all the Brits.
borghe, oh heck, whatever.

Hal
Cite your source about our military being "the majority liberal". Spent 7 years in the Navy, son in the Coast Guard, son career Air Force and 2 granddaughters serving in the Navy. In all our time being in and around military all over the world, honestly, didn't meet many libs.
Also, explain how being liberal makes a good soldier?

Why do Liberals fear trivial things
like peanut butter and a cross on a city seal, while they ignore the REALLY big issues like national security?

Could it be that they can't see beyond the end of their noses?

Duck
LOL!

Hey Borghe
...you still haven't answered my question!

If some predominantly Muslim city in America adopted Shariah law and began stoning, whipping and beheading women and children, would you just accept it as practicing their religion of peace?

If said city started forcing tribute from Dhimmis, and forcing all others to convert to Islam, would you consider it none of your concern and denounce those who protested as "Islamophobes?"

Would those who (rightfully) protested in outrage then be considered by you to be bigots? After all, who are we to judge?

Thinker
"TODAY, CHRISTIANITY SAYS: LOVE EVERYBODY,EVEN IDIOTS LIKE YOU."

Yeah, I can see by reading through these posts how much that counts for anything.

Mountain Rose
You're close. It's that they can't see beyond the next election.

no knowledge of history
Little Hal Donahue wrote,