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scooternyc

Christians are no more moral than anyone. I know plenty of better athiests than myself and I'm a christian. Sorry but it seems the bible clearly states that they should all just recognize that fact fully and look to one who is love. Being a better person is not an obligation or automatic act but aprivilidge to give away the love yu have been given. That is why I see Christ as God coming done to us to completley give, serve, love, die for all our crap and many other faiths simply working or trying to move up to become more holy. God knows we're not holy and never will be. He came to us. We can not get to Him. Our so called "Good" deeds mean nothing to a perfectly moral being, regardless off intentions or motives because they are bound to be questionable. Some faiths merely wish to disolve this problem by escaping from the very nature and fabric of the world. Does it work? Probably. Does it make it a better person? I'm not sure. I think I may be a better person by secluding myself from the temptations and problems everyday life and troubling people. How can one love when one is not close enough to those may hurt them deeply. Of course I'm speaking of many Eastern Faiths.
I beleive we're all deeply self-centered creatures who want to sit on our own throne with no one interfering in our own thoughts of what is right or wrong. This is certainly true in Western culture. If you are a "who's to say" relativst like scooternyc, it may be right at the time for me to rape and murder your mother. It may seem quite nice and good at the time for me to do so. I may enjoy it greatly and it may help society afeter I rob her and feed some people and sell all she owns to give to the less fortunate. Does that make it good or right? How can you say no without merely appeally to tour own subjective feeling which means very lttle to anyone else. Without any outside reference point there is little appeal or argument you could make to say that it is wrong. I have yet to here a coherant argument that states that a moral world should, or could exist without a moral fiber within or a ethical compass without. This means a transcendant Authority. And every evolutionary explanation seems almost laughable in this regard. It takes much more faith to beleive in that we developed religion and morality because we became so smart we needed to dupe ourselves into falshoods. We have simple evolved past the point of knowing what the hell is going on. Not so much progress in my opinion. So the simple conclusion must be to continue to bow down to humanity's almighty reason and worship the Academies of human thought. The new "church" of the 21st century to tell us all the truth. And that is that we must pay these institution (priests,cathederals,popes,etc.), that becoming a better person, which use to mean knowing the truth and yourself doesn't matter. It all leads to one. It all leads to the same hill. Give us all your money and we'll teach you all how to have the strongest convictions about nothing at all. You will be knothing, but, and here is the important thing, you will feel like you're a better person That seems to have gotten us this far yes? Atomic Weapons and mass genocide and all...that all happened because people thought they knew the truth. You will not. You are smarter than that. We have learned. Religion/Academics or not humanity will use every means to gain power over each other including using the very peacefulful promotions of religious piety or socialistic and scholastic secularity. With that I think all "religion" (we still have yet to define the term) insits is the nature and problem of mankind. Instead of ignoring it, it seeks a solution and offers some very profound answers. Not perfect, nor are they always noble and often sometime quite despicable yet non the less solutions that have brought hospitals, universities, orphanages, shelters and food for the hungry. The church supported slavery and led to its abolution. Much to think about. Nothing to outright dismiss. There are too many misconceptions about the Bible and what it means to be a Christian to use simpley as smokescreens to disregard the message of self-sacrificial love and forgiveness that is the centrality of he message. Don't let some "ignorant" Christian or christians give you the excuse to throw "religion" with it's many faults out with the message of hope grounded on solid human objective evidence found.
If so our world seems to be simply what each society or culture deems lawful, even if it is fathers murdering their young duaghters for getting raped and dishonoring their family. That is a very slippry moral slope to go down.
Finally this, God doesn't send people to hell, or scare people by hell. People are scared by hell because they suscpect it might be real and most, including yourself perhaps wouldn't mind if some people spent time there (Hitler etc.). Many people want ohers, after having seen the many post about murders, to go to hell. The God of the Bible does not! He is Love, the definition of self-sacrificial love, which Christ showed on the cross. This Love can never be repaid and can never be earned by any of our paltry good works. It is this love that creates the desire to serve out of gratitude and not to gain Gods exceptance by good deeds. Yet the Bible clearly states that God is "Just" as well. He will certainly let each individual peson, based on what he knows, choose. Either to be with God or not to be with God. It's called freedom. The greatest gift we have. All we know about hell is that it is seperation from that Love of God for all eternity. We have enough knowledge to make a chose based on God's Love for us being provided on the cross. Sorry it's supernatural., but if you can beleive in God it's not that much of a stretch. Outside of that no one knows and no one knows who is going to "heaven" or "hell". Including many so-called "Christians. That fact is that there will be a newearth as well.