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Tuesday, May 12, 2009
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
To Edwards and Palin: Cork it
by Debra J. Saunders
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Elizabeth Edwards always seemed like the yin -- a genuine human being -- to her smarmy husband's too-slick yang. No more. With the release of her memoir "Resilience" and self-flagellation book tour about her life with her cheating hubby, Mrs. E now seems about as believable as her husband. That is: Add the prefix "un."

No one should expect the wife of a man with Edwards' hobbies to be completely forthcoming -- which is why she never should have written the book. Unless she had decided to show him the door -- or if she had come out and said that she loves the $400 haircut and that's that -- the memoir was bound to disappoint.

Lacking the stomach to read the tell-little tell-all, I get my quotes from Elizabeth Edwards' appearance on "Oprah" last week. Mrs. E. presented a hard-to-swallow story about her husband's confession about his relations with a single woman that seems carefully calibrated to protect what is left of the couple's political credibility.

How could the fiercely partisan Elizabeth have told Democrats to support her husband for president when she knew that, if he won, news of the affair likely would have killed her party's chances for victory in 2008?

Timing is everything in such matters. So the Edwards' story is that he cheated when her cancer was in remission. (Sadly, it has returned with a vengeance.) And: She did not know about the affair when Edwards announced his White House bid in December 2006. He told her two days after the announcement. By then the deed was done, although she did tell him she wanted to end the campaign.

He said he did it "only one time" -- so it doesn't look that bad that Elizabeth kept talking up John Edwards as if he were Husband of the Year.

"I think he's as surprised by his behavior as I am by his behavior," Edwards told Oprah Winfrey. Hard to believe, since Edwards also said that she asked her husband to be as faithful as a wedding gift. That's not the request of a woman who trusts her man.

Why did he cheat? Winfrey asked. On the talk-show circuit, the urge is strong to feed the notion that men cheat for some deeper reason other than sex. Or, as happens, affection. Or because they think they can get away with it.

"I don't think he knows," Elizabeth answered. Then John Edwards must be truly clueless. And it brings me back to 2004, when Democratic nominee John Kerry chose Edwards as his running mate. Edwards had little political experience -- he had not yet completed his one term in the U.S. Senate. He voted for the war in Iraq when it was popular, then later boasted at a 2007 Democratic primary event, "I think I was the first, at least close to being the first, to say very publicly that I was wrong." He was an issues lightweight chosen to serve one heartbeat away from the Oval Office.

So to all of you who tut-tutted about John McCain's running-mate choice last year, note that Kerry handpicked a Sarah Palin in pants.

As for Palin, you would think that the Alaska governor would have managed to prevent her 19-year-old daughter Bristol, an unwed mother, from advocating for sexual abstinence as Teen Ambassador for the Candie's Foundation. It is not merely incongruous for the young mother to preach what she clearly did not practice -- it also defies common sense to do so, thanks to the sponsorship of an underwear outfit with the sales pitch of "I want my Candie's."

The anti-role-model role-model approach kills the message. Young Palin may warn that being an unwed mom is impossibly demanding and, by the way, not good for dating, but her kid ambassador role tells other teens: Have a baby and you, too, can be on TV.

Elizabeth Edwards and Bristol Palin are sympathetic characters. Edwards was wronged too publicly, while Palin's privacy has been yanked away during the most mistake-ridden years of life. You want to root for them -- until their self-serving version of events threatens to make you complicit.

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Defining
As a nation we have been defining deviancy downward for decades. So we should n't be surprised that when you screw up, you turn up, on a talk show. Good take Debra!

Wow...a woman who speaks her mind-
Only to tell other women to shut up. You may not like Mrs. Edwards' message for obvious partisan reasons - but if she wants to come out and defend her husband despite his obvious lack of character - so be it. Let her hawk her book and get some public symphathy - her husband's a cad & she's dying of cancer - let her earn some comfort.

With respect to Palin's daughter, I am completely lost on her point. Apparently, according to this author, if you hold certain beliefs and fail to meet them perfectly, or come to understand the importance of them after you have erred in them, you have no right to express them.

I guess that rules out all us sinners. We should keep silent lest we not first reach perfection.

I say bravo to the Palins - especially her young daughter - who is bravely taking on a tough crusade, standing fast to her beliefs knowing that she will be attacked by a vicious and rabid media - which apparently includes this author - who will call her a hypocrite because she failed, learned, and would like to now share her message to others.

According to Saunders, it would be more noble for young Palin to just shut up. What kind of message is this?

RE: Palin
I agree with Debra on this one. First (as one of the columnists here said a few weeks ago), the best witness Bristol Palin can be for teen motherhood (one way or the other) is to hunker down and raise her baby.

It is not (as Murphdog rightly points out) that someone who has made a mistake loses the right to advise others how to avoid it. Far from it! It is that her message gets lost in the medium. Teens hear what Bristol is saying, but the message that sticks in their unformed little brains is, "Famous. Pretty. On TV. Famous. Lots of people know her. Famous. Oh, yeah - and she has a baby!" So much for the life lesson there.

No-one's perferct...
Debra, IMHO, you kinda-sorta miss a real important point re: Bristol Palin.

It is human to err and as such we ought to learn from our error, hopefully so that others will not make said error. Ergo, the impact of a person who has "been there" and freely admits the error of her ways may be much more impactful than let's say a person who has not.

There is a HUGE difference between an 'error' and a 'mistake.' To refuse to correct an error is a mistake (Orlando Bautista, if I recall correctly).

For you see people can identify with others with a message. There may be some who Bristol Palin may not affect and there may be some that the chaste high-schooler from anytown USA many not impact. There may be some the former female gang-banger may miss and there may be some the former athlete may miss. Tis' not a one person message...

Secondly, one is only hypocritical when s/he continues to act in accordance with that which they now denounce and are in the process of making right (so to speak). I'm sure you have heard that we ought to practice what we preach and to be more that hearers but doers...

So in the matter of B. Palin, if she is touting abstinence and is having sex outside of marriage then she can be called a hypocrite. If she is not; she should not.

Here, I honestly don't know what she does on her own time, but I would venture that neither do you Debra!

You opine that BP's message is incongruent for such a preacher -- I beg to differ. She is just right for a good number of her target "audience."

There was only one Billy Grahamn and that did not stop others from preaching the Word, now did it Debra?

And remember that the farmer does not plant his seed on Monday and wake up early Tuesday morning thinking it has sprouted and taken root...

Give her a break!!!!!!!!!!

Debra
As always moral relativism from milquetoast Republican.

I don't what Elizabeth is up and quite frankly I don't care.

As to Bristol she can nationally show young girls the pitfalls of teen pregnancy and motherhood. Not locally, as it is with most teens, but nationally. Big difference.

Bottom line, if you don't like it don't listen.

Palin is in no way equivalent
to either Edwards.

What is wrong with you?

Saunders wrote
"...Mrs. E now seems about as believable as her husband. That is: Add the prefix 'un'."

The part about addition was redundant, and only made the entire statement a double-entendre.

Sarah Palin
Sure, no difference between Sarah and the Breck Girl. She only did a fantastic job as governor of Alaska and in her previous posts as she worked her way up. She managed a budget and kept taxes down. About Bristol, it is obvious that many will not listen to a person that has not walked a mile in their shoes-thus the sucess of all of the 12-step programs out there. Someone that has not suffered personally from one addiction or another has no frame of reference from which to counsel others in overcoming said addiction. Bristol is living the reality of dealing with a baby-she can communicate this to other teens much more effectively than some adult teacher, social worker or celebrity spokestwit.

Palin is a good role model
The idea that a person must be utterly sinless in order to be an advocate against a particular activity is silly. A young woman who is currently enduring the difficulties of teen motherhood is perfectly capable of preaching abstinence. Obviously, who more than she knows how hard it can be? Ms. Saunders is surprisingly off-base in this column.

What?
"So to all of you who tut-tutted about John McCain's running-mate choice last year, note that Kerry handpicked a Sarah Palin in pants."

SARAH Palin did not cheat on her spouse. SARAH Palin did not make a fortune running up healthcare costs. SARAH Palin is not an unwed mother. If Bristol's mistakes weigh so heavily against her mother, why do we ignore Biden's daughter?

Edwards has always been scum.

Sarah Palin is a victim of media slandar...including Saunder's incredibly biased tripe.

So-called Reps. and cons. should not
be attacking Palin, who rose from mayor to governor to vp nominee and still runs the biggest state in the nation with a GSP equal to almost all nations in Europe.

Go to Human Events and read Palin's speech on developing natural gas and oil in Alaska, read the stats, read the business acumen, makes the Big O in DC look like the child and naïf he is.

As to Bristol, Amy Carter and Chelsea Clinton were treated like shrinking violets--let them have their privacy--but Bristol Palin is waved around by the left like a flag. They should drop dead.

Saunders
sounds like she was really stuck for something to write about. She had to have a spin to grab readers and she flubbed with this piece.

Renny
While I don't really agree with the attention that the children of politicians receive, especially children under 18, I can understand why Bristol Palin received much more attention. It's really quite simple actually.

Republican and conservative candidates wear their morals on their sleeves like a badge of honor deserving of praise. When the child of one of these holier-than-thou people winds up being "human", it's worth pointing out. Not because the child is a bad person, but because the parent who likes to preach at others can't even keep their own house in order(which is also normal).

CVN65
Well said! You said it much better. In the world of teenagers, I believe my teenager called it 'street cred'.

??
When someone is convicted of DUI, their sentence often includes community service. Often that community service includes speaking to people about the dangers of drunk driving. Should that practice be stopped? After all, we would not want the message to get lost because of an imperfect messenger.


Bristol Palin
I look at Bristol speaking about abstinance the same way I do former gang bangers or other people speaking from experience as to why you wouldn't want to make the same mistake, they can speak from experience. I never hear a someone clean and sober speaking against drugs and alcohol being called a hypocrit.

Get all the Facts
Bristol Palin is preaching for abstinence. She did not practice it. What she is a shining example for is the fact that she used contraceptives, and they do not always work.

Abstinence works every time.

Bristol
It was right for Bristol to have a say on whatever she wanted to discuss. For months and months after the Palins were introduced, all I heard and read about them were dirt, demeaning and made up stories that the media and Palin haters put out there. It was about time that Bristol had her say.

Between Ms. California and Bristol, I'd say Ms. California has had enough to say already, although I supported her answer during the pageant.

Thanks to Edwards' Lover
Elizabeth Edwards and Bristol Palin have one thing in common: They were both betrayed by the men in their lives. However, Mrs. Edwards betrayed her own integrity conspiring with her husband by hiding this vital fact in his resume from voters.

But I agree Mrs. Edwards should not have written that book. Nobody cares. We are all just happy that her husband was not nominated and not elected president. We are happy not to have an ambulance chaser in the White House. Oh, wait, we do have a lawyer whose client is the country and its economy and its health system.

God help us.

As for Bristol, maybe she's seeking the limelight. The woman whom I would like to see go away is Meghan McCain. She is truly as irritating and pugnacious as her hero father.

Debra, I can't believe
that with all that is going on in this country, this is the most important thing you can find to write about.

How about YOU put a cork in it.

Excellent..............
This is a constant win-win for Sarah Palin.....any mention of her or her family members in the news media only builds towards 2012. Mentioning Sarah is always good so one cannot forget......bringing out Bristol's problems NOW is also good because by the time 2012 rolls around....this will all be OLD NEWS.

Reply to Laura61.....

"but the message that sticks in their unformed little brains is,"


lol...you crack me up....lol....

(well stated however)

Where is self esteem.......
Its really hard to respect any woman (cliton, Edwards) who has been openly dissed by their husbands and their cheating ways who decides for the sake of political expedience its better to be married.

I would have serious respect for these women if they called their moronic husbands out for what they are and put them up in the public spotlight for all to see........

But no...politics gets in the way....and the mommas decide its better on the indside....

Congratulations for existing on the inside and flushing your self esteem down the sh!tter for the sake of being in the "in" crowd.


PS....Johnny E.....that poor sucker is NOWHERE to be found now..is he....


This Column
In imitation of your "review' of Edwards book that you didn't read, I will review your column without actually finishing it. It was hateful and meanspirited, degrading and insulting to the women involved. Neither of them were in the spotlight for their own actions, but when the spotlight was on them, they tried to turn their negatives into a teachable moment for others out there.You, on the other hand, took their positives and excoriated them for their stands, both of which are admirable. A waste of bandwidth.

PALIN
How on earth does Palin fit here?
Debra,you need to go back to the NY times.

Uh-oh
Careful, Ms. Saunders. You have just showed up on the radar screen of the Paloons. That is a dangerous place to be. They will come on here every week now and click on the 1-block and write froth-filled emails to the staff of Townhall. Didn't you get the memo about what the acceptable narrative is to be? Here it is:

1. Vice is the new virtue. There is nothing wrong with vice, as long as you have good mitigating factors, which include doubling down on your declarations of fidelity to religious right ideals. Because intentions are important, and facts are not. Not in this imperfect world, where people are doomed to sin and therefore cannot be held responsible for their actions because they are imperfect. Except for liberals. They are evil, so when they commit sin, it is wrong.

2. Sarah Palin is perfect and has done so many miraculous things for the state of Alaska, like excercising eminent domain for a hockey rink, or what we on the right call being a popular governor; excercising fascism on oil companies to get more revenue, or what we on the right call conducting energy policy; or sending said loot to state citizens or to child welfare programs, or what we on the right call cutting taxes. She is beyond criticism. If she does anything which can be criticized, it is all a misunderstanding on your part. Or you are evil and a liberal RINO media Beltwayer who has cocktails with Obama. There is no other explanation possible. Rush Limbaugh says so, and he is a great judge of character. Why, just yesterday, he was defending Bush's economic policies.

Murphdog, the dog
Murphdog, flailing about in search of something to cling to, says "I say bravo to the Palins - especially her young daughter - who is bravely taking on a tough crusade, standing fast to her beliefs knowing that she will be attacked by a vicious and rabid media..."

Bravo? For "standing fast to her beliefs"?? Duh, she didn't stand fast to her belief in abstinence, she had unprotected sex and got pregnant. She's not just a hypocrite, she's also stupid, and we shouldn't listen to her or emulate her on either of her mistakes.

Put a Cork In It?
Why does it seem like anyone who sticks up for principle is told to shut up. Not just by the left, but by Republicans as well. Life is not just about policy. It is about conviction and principle. It seems the greatest fear for moderates and liberals is for one to touch upon principle. To ponder on principle is to targeted and chastised. To ponder on change and hope is to be embraced.

Embrace this.

Dear Ms. Saunders
I offer a selection of the First Principles found at The Kirk Center. Although not directly addressing the ladies in question, there may yet be some larger use of the principle.

"Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability. Human nature suffers irremediably from certain grave faults, the conservatives know. Man being imperfect, no perfect social order ever can be created. Because of human restlessness, mankind would grow rebellious under any utopian domination, and would break out once more in violent discontent—or else expire of boredom. To seek for utopia is to end in disaster, the conservative says: we are not made for perfect things. All that we reasonably can expect is a tolerably ordered, just, and free society, in which some evils, maladjustments, and suffering will continue to lurk. By proper attention to prudent reform, we may preserve and improve this tolerable order. But if the old institutional and moral safeguards of a nation are neglected, then the anarchic impulse in humankind breaks loose: “the ceremony of innocence is drowned.” The ideologues who promise the perfection of man and society have converted a great part of the twentieth-century world into a terrestrial hell."

Who cares
No one cares about Elizabeth Edwards or Bristol Palin. Stop talking about them!

I guess that's what columnist do
Let him without sin cast the first stone.

Ladies, please exit the stage.
Mrs. Edwards has her hands full fighting cancer and Miss Palin has her hands full raising a baby as a single mother. Neither of those things is easy and both of these women are showing bad judgment voluntarily jumping back into the lime light for no good reason. They have more important things to do now.

Teenagers are not going to abstain or fornicate based on the actions of Bristol Palin.

No man looking for extra marital sex is going to spontaneously generate a conscience because of Mrs. Edward's book or interview.

Please leave the stage. These issues with the two of you were not relevant during the election and they are even less relevant now.

Moral Inequivalency
Saunders seems to be doing the liberal two-step. If you criticize a liberal/Democrat, you must root around to find a conservative/Republican about whom you can say, "They do it,too." There's no real point of comparison betwee Edwards and Palin, except that they're both female and somewhat well known. So, I submit that Saunders should have compared herself, rather than Bristol Palin, to Mrs. Edwards. I can't resist wondering how an old bag like Saunders can know what teenagers are thinking. (Before sending me hate mail, remember I acknowledge being an old coot myself; I just don't pretend to prejudge the adolescent mind.) As for Palin's "hypocrisy," I think, as someone else suggested, that AA has thoroughly refuted Saunders' case.

Whaddaya mean, Palin's *jumping
back* into the limelight?

She's A GOVERNOR OF THE LARGEST STATE IN THE NATION WITH A GNP EQUAL TO MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.

Palin is a rising political star. If you think she's going to stay home like some pre-feminist housewifey, you have another think.

She's been a PTA pres., mayor, and gov. and managed to have a family all at the same time.
Gee, don't men do that?



renny
I think they're talking about Bristol, not Sarah.

To Granite Eagle
Why do women stay?

1. Afraid to be alone.
2. Religious commitment to marriage.
3. Want to stay near the husband's power.
4. Love him, whatever that means.
5. Don't want the kids in a broken home.
6. Can't afford the $$$ to divorce.
7. Can't afford to leave husband's income.
8. Grew up without a father and don't want that for their own children; know how it feels.
9. Replicating situation between their parents (father beat mother so it must be normal).
10. Depressed: leaving takes energy and fight.
11. Prefer the status of being married.
12. Influenced by cultural or family pressure.

And many more. We saw two high-profile political wives (Clinton and Edwards) stay, and all of us know women who stay with terrible men that we wish they'd leave, men who drink and lie and cheat and don't pay the bills and beat them up and talk down to them and teach the kids to disrespect them. Not-leaving has a lot of interwoven reasons. Also, angry women do different things to get even. Like enter the Senate and run for President. Like write a book.

Stan In KS:
You're absolutely correct. Debra has a problem with Sarah Palin. She thought Sarah wasn't good enough for Amnesty McCain.

I agree with Saunders
Palin is just another teenage girl who with horrible judgement. First she let some redneck loser use her body. Then, instead of giving the baby to a married couple who could raise it properly and then going away, she takes part in a media circus. Maybe if her mother had concentrated as much on mothering as she has on her career we would not be seeing this.

Renny-
This article is not about Sarah Palin, it's about BRISTOL. My previous post was about BRISTOL. Miss is a term used for an unmarried woman.

BRISTOL Palin should not be jumping back into the lime light and neither should Mrs. Edwards.

I agreed when people said the press should leave BRISTOL alone because it's not relevant to the political process that BRISTOL is pregnant and BRISTOL needs her privacy to deal with the challenges ahead of her. I think that's even more true now that the baby is born.

They need to stop interviewing the baby's father too. Leave them alone. They should work out their situation in private.

It's ridiculous that BRISTOL voluntarily went back into the three ringed media circus. The media is a mess and we all know it.

The arrogance that celebrities (or whatever BRISTOL is) have thinking their little photo ops and social campaigns are going to have an impact on the rest of their peers is silly.

"A Palin in pants...?"
Debra, That's the dumbest, coarsest comment any woman - or man - could make about Bristol Palin. Comparing an adult male's sexual activities with that of a 17 year old girl's, is just idiotic. J. Edwards is a sleaze; Bristol is anything but that. But perhaps you were never 17.

I'll check it out in the future whether you're worth reading, but based on this article, it's not likely you will be.

What rubbish!
Bristol Palin has nothing of value to give to teens on abstinence because she didn't practice it? Who better to say that actions have consequences? It's not too abstract when there is a baby and no father that chose to stick around. I'm sure she can relate very well to her peers.

Celebrity was thrust upon Bristol, and now you accuse her of cashing in on that?

Nope, Sanders, you've jumped the shark on this one.

Bristol is taking the responsibility for her own actions and trying to make something good come out of it.

Edwards is making apologies for her lying, cheating husband, all in the name of politics.

I don't see any moral equivalence here.

Homeschool mom Az
Not everyone shares your opinion that Bristol should shut up and stay quiet. If she wants to ammend for her mistakes and help other young people she should be given the opportunity if so afforded to do so. You are not God and you do not know what impact it will have on a person. You can not read minds can you???

Debra
I find it appalling that you would even try to put Palin in the same class as Edwards. You must be a true democrat at heart. Only democrats can be so devisive. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You're wrong about Bristol.
It isn't incongruous to make a mistake and then try to help others so they don't make the same mistake. Otherwise, how would we learn?

Should parents not tell their kids to not drink as teenagers just because they did? No, that's stupid. We know that it's stupid for teenagers to drink because we did it and we don't want our kids to make the same mistake.

Making mistakes and then helping others learn from your mistakes so they don't go through the same heartbreak isn't wrong, it's commendable.

Debra Seeking Infamy?
I don't know or care about your first woman, but Bristol is a shining example of repentance as displayed in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What a HUGE mistake you made by bashing Sarah's daughter! I thought I had been dealt some trashy spam...what kind of infamy are you seeking with this piece? Not smart or insightful at all! Helen

Wow!
Debra, it is just plain mean to attack two women are dealing as best they can with a difficult, all too common, problem in life. Both erred: both were willing partners to a handsome man of dubious character. Each of them is standing up for a principle she believes in: one is standing by her husband; one is admitting a mistake and standing by her principles.

Is it just me or does the ...
picture of Bristol Palin at the top of the page look a lot like Evangeline Lilly of "Lost" fame?

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

Been drinking KP kool-aid?
Townhall needs to forward this b*tch's columns to the Daily Kos, where they will be welcomed.

Is This Journalism?
First of all, Mrs. Edwards appears to be the most naive women I have witnessed to date. I am sorry that she is dying, but really, who doesn't know the reality of men who seek the limelight?

Secondly, I find it most amusing that leftist women continue to attack the Palin women. I believe that beauty and brains cannot be found amongst on the socialist side of the table. What's wrong girls? Are the men giving too much attention to those women who are more attractive? (how many liberal women have drug addicts as children?)

opry thrives on this
Without this type of "news" opry would'nt have a audiance

Can't stand the noboma lovin' lady.

EDDIE
I somewhat agree with you in the respect that your Mother should have given you to someone capable of instilling morals and good judgement into you.

To attack anyones daughter regarding their misjudgement is showing the world what an idiot you really are.

Bristol Palin
Why is it hard to believe that Bristol Palin advocates in favor of something she didn't so herself? Recovering drug addicts do it all the time.

Put a cork in it, Debbie.
Lizzie Edwards is a perfect match for her husband, and deserving of the same contempt.

Mentioning Sarah Palin in the same article and then running the comparison to the ambulance chasing pretty boy is downright insulting.

You're showing your green eyes, little Debbie.

Recovering Drug Addicts Do It
Larry, as long as we deal with Bristol as we would a recovering drug addict and not as some wise role model we need to listen to, we'll be fine.

Scared of Palin.
If Sara Palin is such a lightweight in the political world, why not just ignore her and her daughter Bristol. You're shallow approach to the the John Edwards and Sara Palin comparison is telling of your journalistic talent or lack thereof.

Bruthie in IL
STFU

Both Need to Hush
I'm tired of listening to both of these people. I doubt Edwards was ignorant of her husband's philandering, just as I doubt Clinton was. Elizabeth, like Hillary, was far more interested in the trappings of her life of riches and fame than she was with small matters like fidelity. Worse, both women were perfectly willing to lie to the public in order to retain their privileged positions. In other words, they both have the morals of alley cats and deserve everything they get.

In the case of Bristol, she is a kid who obviously doesn't have good sense. Perhaps she should go take care of her child or something because nothing she can say will influence other teens anyway. She has neither the age nor the wisdom to impart any insight into the complex problem of teen pregnancy. Sarah needs to keep her daughter under wraps because teenaged pronouncements are trite and silly.

Darlene in GA
Celebrity media culture needs to die a grisly death and responsible relevant media with high journalistic standards needs to rise from the ashes.

Let's ask Bristol and every other unmarried sexually active person out there which celebrity they needed to tell them to abstain so they could avoid this problem in the first place. Gosh! If only those celebrities HAD said something then maybe teenagers wouldn't be hopping into the sack! Oh, please.

For those of you who were virgins when you married, which celebrity was it that convinced you to do so? What!? You DIDN'T make this decision based on such silly things!?

When people practice abstinence it is almost always out of a deep inner conviction. One that is usually religious in nature. Deep inner conviction is not had by some silly media campaign (no matter how sincere the intentions of the participants) that attempts some shallow effort to get teenagers to outwardly conform (even to something that is a very good idea.)It's a token symbolic effort.

My point is not about her saying she did the wrong thing. I never claimed she was insincere. My point is that this stupid photo op is pointless and useless.

Since it is pointless and useless (it's not going to have any effect on what any horny teenager does) it's just a reason to get media attention.

Bristol needs to go home raise her child and deal with the father and his family. It's a tough situation that does not need the complicating factor of media hubbub.

I watched my brother in this situation 6 years ago and I helped take care of my Grandfather who died of cancer this year. I also helped take care of my niece and nephew while my husband's sister went through breast cancer treatment 4 years ago. The last thing people in these situations and their loved ones need is media and/or related controversy. These things are tremendous undertakings and no one involved needs this crap. Volunteering for it is a sign of very poor judgment.

Re: Both Need to Hush
KATZ writes: "In the case of Bristol, she is a kid who obviously doesn't have good sense. Perhaps she should go take care of her child or something because nothing she can say will influence other teens anyway. She has neither the age nor the wisdom to impart any insight into the complex problem of teen pregnancy. Sarah needs to keep her daughter under wraps because teenaged pronouncements are trite and silly."
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I feel sorry for Bristol because what you said is spot on. She is too young to have the wisdom and maturity to make good decisions. And Bristol already said on FOXNEWS that abstinence doesn’t work, so she lacks credibility in this. I have to wonder how sarah, who herself got knocked up before marriage, would allow her daughter to date for years the high school stud/bad boy—she had to have known what could easily happen—especially because sarah went through it herself! Seems Bristol was just following her role model—sarah. I just don’t get sarah’s judgment in all this.


"In August, Todd and Sarah Palin eloped, summoning witnesses from a senior citizens home beside a courthouse. Their families learned of the marriage by looking in their garages, said Jim Palin, Todd's father, where each family found a clump of flowers and a note.

"They're just very, very private people," the elder Mr. Palin said.

The first of their five children, Track, was born about eight months later, and the couple soon moved back to Wasilla."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/us/politics/24palin.html? pagewanted=3


Bristol Palin
Hello people! Bristol made a mistake and is saying, Hey, you don't need to give in to some jerk pushing you for sex. Learn to say know. Young men, when the blood starts to boil, will say anything to get what they want. Young women do not have to give in, JUST SAY NO!!
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