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Tuesday, March 10, 2009
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
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by Debra J. Saunders
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I have known Rush Limbaugh since his old radio days in Sacramento, before he became a GOP god. I've disagreed with him over the years. Last year I took on his bashing of Republican moderates and criticized Limbaugh and other talk-radio hosts when they were too harsh on not-yet GOP nominee John McCain. I've never apologized and we're still friends.

If you've watched cable news in the last week, you've seen how the Limbaugh story is playing. Limbaugh said he hopes Obama "fails." As he explained, "I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year and a half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed. If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down."

Because Limbaugh used the f-word, Good Republicans are supposed to distance themselves from him. Thus Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele called Limbaugh "ugly" and "incendiary." Not a smart move. Later Steele called Limbaugh to apologize -- adding a new twist to a story concocted by Democrats.

As Politico.com reported last week, Demo gurus James Carville and Stan Greenberg first concocted the idea of making Limbaugh the GOP albatross last year after a poll showed that among younger voters Limbaugh's ratings were in the toilet. White House adviser David Axelrod and Press Secretary Robert Gibbs joined in the get-Limbaugh gambit, while White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel called Limbaugh "the voice and the intellectual force and energy behind the Republican party" on CBS' "Face the Nation."

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee jumped into the act and sent out an e-mail instructing recipients to send an "urgent call" for GOP senators "to denounce (t)his shameful rhetoric." Key to the strategy are gullible partisans who fall for the phony umbrage of cynical operatives. Tens of thousands of outraged sheep -- I mean, concerned individuals -- have signed on, according to the DSCC.

"Shameful rhetoric?" Sorry, but the only thing that would make these operatives more gleeful would be if GOP leaders were caught in hotel rooms with hookers. This whole brouhaha is designed to get Republicans to snipe at each other and, perhaps more important, to distract voters from what is happening to their 401(k)s -- after Democrats have thrown an extra trillion dollars at the economy.

"It's incredibly cynical," former McCain adviser Nicolle Wallace wrote in The Daily Beast. "It assumes that voters are too stupid to know the difference between a talk-radio host and a party's elected leaders."

This week, former Bush speechwriter David Frum foolishly bit. "Limbaugh is kryptonite, weakening the GOP nationally," Frum wrote in a Newsweek cover piece, "Why Rush is Wrong." Frum concluded that while he probably agreed with Limbaugh on most ideological matters, "the issues on which we do disagree are maybe the most important to the future of the conservative movement and the Republican Party: Should conservatives be trying to provoke or persuade? To narrow our coalition or enlarge it? To enflame or govern?"

Of course, the answer is: both. Yes, political parties need to reach beyond their ranks, but you don't win with an alienated base. Witness the Clinton-distancing Al Gore and the pro-Iraq-war voting John Kerry. Witness my guy, John McCain.

And you don't win without people who charge up the base. That's what Limbaugh does better than anyone. (And I say that as a "mushy" moderate conservative.)

While many think Limbaugh is enjoying the Obama-supplied spotlight, he was pretty steamed in e-mails to me. Divided government, he wrote, "is designed to ensure that the president fails when he is wrong. The framers wanted the country to succeed; if they wanted the president to succeed, they would not have saddled him with Congress, courts, a free press, and elections every four years."

"I can think of no pursuit more childish than an Oval-Office-initiated food fight with a talk-radio host," Wallace wrote. Apparently Team Obama sees the Limbaugh feud as an effective use of its time.

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Pick a target, freeze it, polarize it ..
You are going to see the Saul Alinsky game plan implemented by the ObamaDems OVER and OVER:

Obama was trained for his community organizing activities by Saul Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation, which uses Alinsky’s principals to train activists. Understanding Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” is key to understanding Obama.

The Purpose of the Rules “ a mass power organization which will change the world … This means revolution.”

Of Means and Ends

“You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments.”
Lying to the benighted is justified when you are so smart.

The Education of an Organizer –

o “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” – now you understand the never ending personal attacks on Bush, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh ....


o “In the beginning, the organizer’s first job is to create the issues or problems.”

o “An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction…”.

Isn’t this what Reverends Wright and Pfleger are doing? Bill Ayers? Obama’s community organizing?

Tactics – note that the opposition is “the enemy”.

o “Never go outside the experience of your people.” – Move to the center; don’t alarm them.
o “Whenever possible go outside the experience of the enemy.” – The enemy (Republicans) can’t believe that Obama is a real radical.

o “Make the enemy live up to there own rulebook.” – Keep them on the defensive by calling their criticisms racist”.

o “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” – Watch Jon Stuart, Keith Olberman, Michael Moore.

o “ … In a fight, almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt.” – Anything goes when you are so smart and so certain you are right.

o “You cannot risk being trapped by the enemy in his sudden agreement with your demand.”

– Barack isn’t serious about unity and compromise – he is serious about winning taking power.

Guh-geez
I have only one thing to say to the *engineers* of this Democratic PR Charlie Foxtrot:

It's the ECONOMY STUPID!


Scotch Indian
says it all. These rules have been in effect for years now. Once the colleges were taken over by socialist/marxist lefties and the Alinsky rules throughly understood and put into practice the Messiah was sprung on the country. I don't think many Dem or Repub politicians comprehend that they are on the eventual hit list.

Thanks for spreading the Rules scotch indian.

No Representation in NorCal



The under 40's..........
Under 40's don't like Rush?

Who would have thunk it?

That PROVES once and for all that Rush really is right!

Meaning correct, of course.

Oh, they are more clever than we think
Obama's great leap left-ward is orchestrated by some very smart and ideological people - they are hard core, to Obama's left and even he doesn't knwo it - this engineering of the new right wing conspiracy is going to lead to fracture in the Republican party in 2012 that will further marginalize any gains they are willing to concede in 2010! The right will surely gain in 2010 but, and that is ok with the left and Obama, by then his plan will be ensconced - but then the fracture that is being orchestrated on the left toward the demise of the right will be in place and 2012 will again be in the hands of Obama - with a 3rd term engineered via the populist constitutional fiat as they are overwhelmed and accustomed to the suckling at the public teet the previous 8 years.

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Oh my gosh
John McCain's daughter, Megan McCain, just wrote a scathing column against Ann Coulter (whom she apparently loathes).

Google search: my beef with ann couter megan mccain

and that should take you to the article

I hope Rush keeps talking
He is a breath of fresh air. He can say whatever he wants, and if people don't like it, they can stop listening. This is a free country.

Re: Will
Who cares what Megan McCain has to say?
I certainly do not.

To Obama and his merry band, as Chloe said:

"It is the economy stupid!"

Dangerous falderal Part 1
Of course I want President Obama to fail. Does that mean I want him to fail as a husband? a father? a friend? Of course not. I want him to fail in his pursuit of a post-modern fascist/socialist state, which is to say he and I have a profound disagreement at the very basis of our world views. He distrusts and perhaps despises human liberty and freedom, while I wholly revere and embrace it, but that’s a tangent. He seeks to put new clothes on the governing principal that informed the city state Ur, and I reject that as retrograde. But that’s a tangent.

Well not entirely, that is, I thought the idea of the state and the people as one and the same went out with Louis 14, yes I know it had a very bad end with his grandson, but it was the old patriarch who inspired all roads lead to Versailles. Still, I thought the idea that the state, the people, and the leader are one was the Brontosaurus of politics along with say, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, Hitler, etc.

Anyway, the idea that President Obama and the government are one, that he should dissolve separations of powers with Wednesday night soirees and human resource seminars at the White House should enforce all thinking people to give great pause, that the bulk of the National Press reflects their obsequious observance reflects that thinking is indeed a foreign medium for them.


Dangerous falderal Part 2
Far more than the self evident observance that Obama and Government are not one is the absolute truth that President Obama and the Nation are not one. The nation’s success can be hindered or facilitated by government, but that is all--it is in no way a hostage of government, and far less a hostage to President Obama, that the success of the nation depends upon us to just not listen to President Obama whenever possible is both a testament of remorse and fact.

On the other hand, should his policies promote freedom, and in adherence to, economic growth, then rightly we could and should all rejoice. But that alas would take a transformative change in his world view.

Proud South
I see that you have studied well, the principles outlined by Mr. Alinsky and repeated within the very first post of this thread.
Congratulations.
You should go far within organizations like ACORN and the CPUSA.
You're Good !

Re: SkunkWorks Supt
You are right.

When I was studying about Alinsky, I found out few interesting things.

I found out where Mr.Reagan got his stupid idea about giving a blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants.

I also found out where George Bush got his great ideas about starting the biggest entitlement program ever with his dump Prescription drug plan.
Also, nationalizing GSEs and "Unconstitutional" TARP plan etc.

Do you think Reagan and Bush are secret Communists?

GOP cells banned !
The new executive order to increase availability of stem cell originations has banned the following blood lines;

1.Newt (gives salamanders a bad name) Gingrich

2. Ronald Reagan (excluding Nancy's )

and others, due to certain neurological defects that potentially affect effective transfer of clear signals from the synapses to the brain, leading to "synapse collapse"

The list of banned stem cell lines is expected to grow, with amendments to the EO allowable in congressional action.

B. Hussein O'Cromwell & His Roundheads

When strawmen are attacked and decimated, they then have to be replaced, and replaced, and replaced, until there is open warfare amongst the lowest classes. Eventually, cannibalism will flourish amongst those remaining because people will have been led to believe that they have rights to something that belongs to another and to destroy others to get it.

There’s an old adage that goes back to the English Revolution of the 17th century when Oliver Cromwell and the Roundheads executed King Charles I. Cromwell and his minions were Puritans. They killed priests and critics, forbade drinking, sex outside of marriage, killed homosexuals and prostitutes, jailed people for dancing, mandated church attendance, etc. The peasants were so poor that they eventually began to fight amongst themselves, against the Establishment and, finally, welcomed backed Charles' son, King Charles II.
.
The saying, which I will paraphrase, goes something like this:

First they came for the King. Then, they came for the bankers. Next, they came for the lawyers. After that, they came for the priests. When there was no one at the top left to go after, those beneath me came after me.

After WWII and the revelation of the Holocaust, the poem “First They Came For The Jews” picked up on this theme.

Saul Alinsky was not the first to target, freeze, isolate, attack and then decimate critics. Oh, no. This type of personal destruction has been going on for centuries. Now, we are just seeing another (hopefully, bloodless) chapter in this senseless use of personal attacks by leaders.

Clarification for dithers
Is Dithers a character on the Simpsons?

Anyway, of course not, I'm not equating our President Obama with the most nefarious men of the past century. Not the content of his mien, but the conceptual structure he has not taken a principled stand against--and he has had the opportunities to do so, and will have more:

No matter how benign or sincere the leader of government may be, it is always dangerous, always, to equate the leader, government, and nation as a single we entity.

All I've got to say is, good job Rush!
He's got to be doing something right or they wouldn't be so obsessed with him. By the way, Obama, have you noticed 8.1% unemployment? Stock market down to a 28 year low, no corrective plan in place that I can see yet. Tax cheat Geithner can't even get anyone to work for him. No wonder they're talking about Rush. Every day more and more people are realizing what an absolute zero Obama and the Reid-Pelosi clown brigade really are. Michael Steele - You better get some steel in your spine, my man, and start doing your job!

What the hell Newt is slamming Rush?
Limbaugh was a Gingrich buttboy during the now failed GOP revolution of 1994.Newt was on his show just about every damn day before and after the GOP took back Congress.Then Newt got kicked out as Speaker by his own party and now the two old rebels have Newt badmouthing the black clad fat one on Meet the Press.Rush go to your medicine cabinet and load up on the hillbilly heroin.It's all you got left.

Dear ProudSouth and texaschuck
President Obama is a fool.

The question is whether he is a basement fool or a top-flight fool. You however are outhouse fools. Good-day.

Hey Ed
We know how to stop tent cities, free up capitol because there is nothing like the private sector for creating jobs--its dynamism is proven. Free it up rather than lock it up like Obama and his team, and it will flow where it needs to go, alas to the socialism bop, and we all know where to go--tent city.

TexasChuck: Why Bother Coming Here?
Everytime I see your posts, I wonder why you come to Townhall. You add nothing of interest or intellect, and are a flaming retarded liberal. All you do is insult and name calling. I imagine you to be 4'11-1/2" tall and carring around a lot of hositility. When other men offend you, you probably keep your mouth shut and go out into the parking lot and key his car, right? Yeah, small in stature, small in knowledge, and smallness of conscience.

Since you obviously LOVE and ADORE Obama, your time would be better spent here explaining what you think Obama is doing. To the rest of us, Obama looks, sounds, acts totally in over his head. The market is a 100% true and realistic of Obama's popularity in the country. He leads America (supposedly), and he's leading America into the toilette.

Let me guess, you have no "skin in the game" and live off the rest of us. That's the ONLY reason any American would have for not giving a damnnn that Obama is managing badly. Oh I forgot, we should take it easy on Obama because he lacks any management or executive experience.

Obama's Tactics Say Everything
The Obama administration knows exactly what it is doing by taking Rush out of context with the "I want the President to fail" comment.

This lack of honesty and integrity says everything you need to know about them. And while they are focused on clearing the field of their opponents the world is crumbling around them. Again, you Obama supporters, is this what you voted for?

Darn Rush
I have said it before and I will say it again; no matter the sludge the liberal media threw at GWB, he never responded to them by name. This is telling in and of itself. Obama, a little boy in big mans pants resorts to cheap distraction from the facts in front of us.

Fact: the stock market has tanked since his inauguration; every time Barry opens his mouth it tanks. Lib's operate on feelings, not logic.
The stock market reacts to what it perceives the economy will do; and I think we can surmise the stock market has little faith in Obamanomics.

Capitalism has never favored places like the former Soviet Union or Cuba. It does not seem very fond of Venezuela or Chavez either.

Hard working Americans don't seem to like the idea of subsidizing their neighbor's poor decisions either. What was it Marx said, "From each with his means to each with his needs" or something like it.

Darn Limbaugh for calling it like it is; and shame on Obama for resorting to parlor tricks to distract unwitting passengers from the train wreck at hand.

Ed-Mario The Crazy Cuban Commie !

We're observin' in some amazement, as you go into these Manic Episodes all over TH.

What is goin' on with you Ed-Mario ?

This is startin' to move into Creepy !

Were you like this before ?




Thanks Brickhouse for the nice words
Obama 6 weeks on the job and is going to reverse all the Democrat,Republican,Wall Street,Banks,and stupid home buyers screwups in the first month on the job?It's really lame to blame Obama for the stock market with all the daily bad news that was caused as a joint effort by all of us who work(Brick being in prison is still OK)He walked into a big mess and is doing his best to get us out of it.No time for short attention span wingnuts.

In case you didn't know...
Saul Alinsky's,"Rules for Radicals",is dedicated to LUCIFER,the Father of All Lies. Does that tell you anything? (Coincidentally,Illinois's winning Pick 3 lottery number,the day the votes were tallied in Obama's favor...666.) "Again,the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory,and he said to him,'All these things I will give you if you bow down and worhip me'". Mark 4:9

David Frum?!? Cast him OUT.

"Limbaugh is kryptonite, weakening the GOP nationally," Frum wrote in a Newsweek cover piece...


David Frum is a Judas. He and other RINO's just like him are the cancer that has rotted the GOP from within.

The GOP will not attract anyone worth having by emulating the DNC and presenting themselves as "democrat light". That strategy will gain no one, but it will continue to hemorrhage conservatives away from the GOP.

This misguided GOP mantra of "outreach" to various special interest groups is right out of the DNC balkanization playbook strategy.

Until or unless the GOP begins to stand for Christian principles and values, and truly embraces conservative fiscal policy and limited government, the GOP will remain in the state of continuing decline they have earned and richly deserve.

A very *public* purge is needed. If there is any man or woman left in the GOP who is unstained by rampant hypocrisy and who has not succumbed to “beltway culture”, that person needs to step forward and LOUDLY repudiate people like David Frum. Olympia Snowe needs to be repudiated as well, to her face, on the Senate floor. The same for Susan Collins, and Arlen Specter; each one is a betrayer of conservatism. They need to be made an example of, and cast out of the party. Let them follow the shame-ridden trail of Jim Jeffords to the other side; they already vote with (and conduct themselves as) democrats anyway. Make it official for them.

It has nothing to do with being mean-spirited or unkind - it has to do with being honest and truthful, and having the courage to confront the rot that has gutted the GOP like a cancer.

Until or unless this happens, they’re not for real; anything they say is just lip-service.

Rush Limbaugh is right a whole lot more than he’s wrong. David Frum couldn’t even be a water-boy on the conservative team.

Cast him out. Publically.

And every other RINO with him. Publically.

OUT.

What The MSM Won't Tell You

After the 2004 election, a national poll showed that 51% of Democrats wanted George W. Bush to FAIL. That's right, Libbies, you called for the failure of the POTUS. At least, I have a principled reason for wanting Obama to fail miserably...

I WANT OBAMA TO FAIL MISERABLY IF HE PURSUES THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ANY FORM OF SOCIALISM OR SOCIALIZED PROGRAMS, INCLUDING UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.

Of course, unlike you scumbags, I won't be burning Obama in effigy and holding signs with the words Obama=Hitler.

Get used to it. It is your turn now.

"Why are we here?"
In the words of Karl Marx:.."We are here to promote social changes through class struggles,overthrow capitalism and private ownership,and to ultimately dethrone God and destroy capitalism."


USPatriot56
Thanks: The one element of US society the left hasn't been able to corrupt, with some exceptions, is the military. For the most part, the military exposes their people to American traditions the public gov't schools carefully screen out from PS students. Instead, they get plenty of pervv sex ed - and plenty of hands on ed from their 'teachers'.

I'm sure many in the US armed forces are absolutely revolted by the idea that this foreign (Indonesian, Kenyan, who knows) usurper could assume the power of their C-in-C. Considering the approaches he's already made to the Islamic/terrorist world, Putin and the snubs he's made to our traditional allies (Britain, Israel), many are already to conclude that a dangerous fifth column is now in charge of the US gov't.

In fact, on the radio today, which the fascists want to shut down, I heard one person refer to B. Hussein as a genuine domestic terrorist. Because he holds the position of the POTUS, he is getting away with a level of mayhem, crime and destruction that would subject the perpetrator to arrest and prosecution - at the least.

Before the full extent of one catastrophe is fully realized, he already claims more similar urgency in destroying other still healthy sectors: i.e. Healthcare, Education, Unions, etc.

Yes, B. Hussein's a domestic terrorist that must be stopped and defeated - failed if you will - he and all his fascist terrorist friends: Wright, Ayers, et al.

The Thing is:
Socialism is always in the image of the demagogue, always less than life. Unfortunately, not only can it not provide the needs and wants of the society that it hubristically deigns to provide, but no matter how benign its intentions it must end in not as Mark Levin describes the Socialist "Soft Tyranny (our present Democrat party as presided over by Obama, Reid, and Pelosi), but Hard Tyranny because someone is always at fault for nirvana being delayed, and when persuasion doesn't work then the force of government will have to do.

The socialist, whether fascist, communist, or generic bares bouquets in the morning, but shackles at night.

Denise LA re Poll
Liar Liar. The Question asks to you want Bush to SUCCEED does not say FAIL!!At the time in 2006 Bush after getting us into Iraq and botching Katrina the trust level was very low that his plans to SUCCEED not FAIL as you lied would cause more Americans to die and suffer.Context and timing is everthing. Idiot.

Nope, TexasChuck, Obama Does Nothing
Chuck said, "It's really lame to blame Obama for the stock market with all the daily bad news that was caused as a joint effort by all of us who work(Brick being in prison is still OK)He walked into a big mess and is doing his best to get us out of it.No time for short attention span wingnuts."

EVERYTIME Obama opens his mouth, the market drops. Why is that? People have already lost almost 1/2 of their retirement savings Chuck. What has Obama done about it? Obama is talking about healthcare as part of his fix-it process. One thing has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other. People are eventually going to be fed-up with watching their futures robbed while Obama builds his kingdom. In a year, you'll hardly find anyone willing to admit they voted for Obama. Watch.

StrangerRanger29:
RangerDanger29 worries, "If the GOP doesnt get away from Limbaugh and all the other right wing nuts (like Coulter)...the GOP will go down with them."

Wobbie, your concern for the Republican party is touching. We appreciate your concern, but we don't need it.

Rush doesn't speak for Republicans, he speaks for Conservatives (who mostly gravitate towards the Republican party), although there are a few conservative Democrats.

Rush is Right.

Brickhouse you got to stop paying
attention to the rigtwing media they are frying your brain.The big picture is yeah the markets want Obama to do something on the banks and are antsy.But making a good decision on the trillion dollar toxic waste the banks have is gonna mean a short or long recession.And the markets also react to the bad job#s and more Business going BK.Just you wait the Stimulas and health care reform are all part of the big picture.You will thank me later

...meanwhile...
...MUST...DESTROY *gag* LIMBAUGH!

...TOO MUCH *cough* TRUTH!

...*sniff* HELP US...MEDIA!

...MUST FULFILL *grunt* DESTINY OF ... TOTAL POWER!

--ZeroMan

A Ballerina's Deadly Pirouette

"Apparently Team Obama sees the Limbaugh feud as an effective use of its time."
______________________________________________

I beg to differ.

Question: What has been "Team Obama's" biggest and most glaring legacy thus far?

Answer: One bad decision after another.

Their decision to tangle with Rush Limbaugh is one of the worst decisions they have made thus far.

By displaying their concern with Rush Limbaugh and the MSM coming [once again] to what they thought at the time, was the "messiah's" aid, they have unwittingly drew attention to what other things Rush is saying.

They have done nothing but given Conservatism the ear of people who would have otherwise remained ignorant to Rush's message--and wisdom.

What they have done is to cause more people to tune in to Rush's show to hear what he is saying.

The WHOLE POINT of their attack was to have exactly the OPPOSITE EFFECT!

It's like a person who wishes to remain a closet crack smoker, calling the police when the crack dealer comes to his door to collect the money he's owed.

Like everything else Obama [and the ballerina] has tried; it BACKFIRED!

Anybody who is a listener of Rush Limbaugh knows what I know...

They'll never STOP listening to what he has to say.

This is the LAST thing the ballerina [and Obama] wanted to happen.


tkdblk of 11:45
Sir, you are cynical, but painfully correct.

And the young will pay for their naive notions.

Brickhouse
"The big picture is yeah the markets want Obama to do something on the banks and are antsy." T-C

Gee, what a seer - a real oracle. T-C can instantly analyze what millions of people (the 'Markets') want the messiah to intervene in next. I can just imagine what he can do with sheep entrails.

What it really looks like is that they're quite sick of what he's done already. Rather, investors are running scared and hiding their capital from what he might do next.

"In a year, you'll hardly find anyone willing to admit they voted for Obama. Watch." BH

Quite possibly more accurate. It seems the dems who won in conservative districts may already be interpreting the public mood in quite a similar fashion.

Many of the so called 'blue dogs' are or have already broken ranks with the Pelosians. They are interpreting political self preservation as distancing themselves from this radical fascist administration.

And the hard core are obliviously hanging onto their pathetic vestiges of hope...they have no other skins in the game. And the divergent differences between them and those that still do will harden and get meaner.

Scott of 1:43
Cast him out is not the answer.

I have a good friend who is a classical liberal, a knee jerk, yellow dog Democrat. He was twitting me about spome right wing nut, and i said, By the way, how do you like being in the same party with Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright? He replied "They vote right".

Exactly. This big tent, first things first, pragmatic view is what holds the Democratic special interest groups together. First you acquire political power. Only then do you squabble about how to use it.

Conservative principles are at the roots of our county's unique success. Before they can be important again, we must have political clout. That means we reject no one's vote, kick out no one. What must be done is work within the system to get conservative candidates, so people like Frum will be forced to choose between a candidate who may be more conservative than he'd like, or another who is way too far to the left.

The radical left worked within the Democrat Party. They didn't reject the millions of folks who voted Obama and are now facing voter remorse. They obviously didn't even alienate them. The sainted Ronald said the first rule is never speak ill of another Republican. He put together and held a landslide of voters. It can be done again.

Same game, different target
What is going on with Rush is the same game that the liberals have played since Gerald Ford that I remember. They take a prominent Republican and try to trash him. With Ford, it was because he was "clumsy". Reagan was "mean" because he wanted all of the children to starve. With Newt, it was also because he was "mean", but he was a crook because of his book deal. With Bush, it was because he was (too many things to put in this one column, but let's say because he was a coke-head draft dodger), and Limbaugh, because he used that "fail" f-word. They have tried to make Republicans look dumb (and hidden the crass stupidity of Gore and Kerry to try to do so).

It is an approach that tries to make people look personally corrupt and blame it on their supporters. It even worked with the Tom Foley scandal. My opinion is that this occurs because the Republicans have morals, with which the Democrats don't seem to be troubled. See comment below mine about Sharpton, etc.

Democrats miss the Biblical exhortation every time: Take the log out of your own eye before you try to remove the speck from your neighbors". And they have one heck of a log in their current eye as their President and his executive appointments demonstrate daily.

Fail Is Good
I think most mean-spirited blacks in the late ninetieth and early twentieth century hoped and prayed that the KKK would fail.

Limbaugh, because he used "fail"
Limbaugh made it perfectly clear what he said over & over.

Some of the BS you see and read now is the always dreaded sound bite taken out of context.

Nothing more needs to be said.
Post every word he said or nothing.

I've been listening to him and others since the mid 60's.
I'll bet 5k you can't form one line on a sheet over the last 30 years of any false data.

Yet Obama all his life has been surrounded by the worst intent and people that do nothing but hate this Country, and scream preach it out loud.

The hate will only get worse as people finally see his real meaning of change.

This Country will not put up with it for long.
Go to Europe where fuel is 7 dollars a gallon, waiting for doctor is months, tax on cars is 35% on top of value.

Those who witnessed 1964 may see history repeat itself.

They Shot Themselves in the Foot
I believe the Obama lemmings made a serious tactical mistake when they elevated Rush Limbaugh to national status. President Obama should have ignored him.

Look what happened: When Rush spoke before the CPAC Conference his speech was carried nationally on Fox and CNN television. This is the first time, I believe, that any radio talk show host has achieved such coverage.

As a result, more people are now listening to Rush and imbibing his "toxic" mix of patriotism and conservatism.

The Obama ideologists should wear signs urging people, "Kick me!" As for so-called moderates like Frum the whole incident demonstrated just how inconsequential moderates are. They always get run over either from the left or the right and you can take that piece of wisdom to your bank--if it is still operating.

Who Do We Fear?
Scott in Ohio in his 1:54 AM comment wrote "Until or unless the GOP begins to stand for Christian principles and values, and truly embraces conservative fiscal policy and limited government, the GOP will remain in the state of continuing decline they have earned and richly deserve."

I agree with Scott in principle. I would add though it's the moral foundation of those principles in the heart of a man or woman who fears God and walks with His integrity that makes the difference. Those principles have to be woven into the very fabric of an individual by His relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob if they are to have any real force or meaning.

They are wise principles. But wisdom, apart from God, is foolishness. The fool says in his heart; There is no God. That's why we see so much foolishness among Republican leaders. Their conservative principles aren't firmly rooted in their belief in, and relationship with, God.

It was the relationship that our founding fathers had with God and His grace that gave them the wisdom, the courage, the integrity, and the humility to win the Revolutionary War, write our Declaration of Independence, and our Constitution.

Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. We've lost that fear. We fear Obama. We fear Islam. We fear the economic downturn. We fear losing our guns. We fear socialism. But God, He's our friend.

Loenard Ravenhill in "America Is Too Young To Die" listed the threats that faced America in 1979. Then he wrote that "The greatest single threat to America today is GOD."

Joshua said: "...serve the Lord, for He is a holy and jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins. If you abandon the Lord and serve other gods, he will turn against you and destroy you, even though He has been so good to you." Joshua 24:19-20.

Who do we fear?

Thanks for the view from the...
mushy middle the place where elections go to die, Debra. Who do you like for 2012, Arlen Specter? Isn't it his turn yet?

When a sitting president lowers himself to squabble with a talk show host one of them suffers a loss of prestige. Obama doesn't get this being president thingy.

GOP aims to get past Rush ‘distraction’

Will this stop Rush?

Politico-Top Republicans voiced a desire to get past the dust-ups involving Rush Limbaugh—and blamed the White House Sunday for orchestrating the conflict.

“This was a distraction created by the White House to divert people’s attention from the spending binge they’ve been on the last six weeks,” House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” flatly said that Limbaugh is “not the leader of the Republican party,” and criticized President Barack Obama for allowing his staff to focus on “small things.”

“The president promised to focus on large things not small things,” Gingrich said. “He promised to bring us together, not divide us. And I’m assuming here that he is not responsible for the Limbaugh game, I’m assuming it’s Emanuel.”

WATCH

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/gop-aims-to-get-pa st-rush-distraction#comment-113431

Grow Up, Obama
Big Ears is whining about inadequate rest and being overworked yet he is involved in this junior high school game of goading a private citizen. Perhaps someone can present him with Saul Alinsky's book about what one does when one finally has a real job since it is obvious he knows nothing about this type of thing. I don't remember any leftist outrage when Sean Penn and others of his ilk cursed GWB nor do I remember GWB responding to it by going after those people. Obama needs to grow up and knock it off.

I hope he fails too!!
I would also like to see him gone and someone in charge with at the least some free market administrative knowledge and skills. This guy has absolutely zero leadership ability.

Obama v. Limbaugh
Obama's administration attacks Limbaugh because they fear him. They know he has a large listenership and an even larger base of people who don't listen regularly, but recognize and agree with him (I'm in that group.) They know he influences the views of a great many people, and they hate that there's anyone whose views THEY don't influence. And they know how big a pile of fraud, waste, and abuse exists in the "stimulus" package and how much harm it's going to do to the economy, and they know he knows, and he's telling anyone who will listen.

Frum is an idiot
'Nuff said

CPAC speech
Critics of Limbaugh should read his CPAC speech. I'm not a fan of his, but he explains and defends the conservative position, and his comments, quite well.

Upchuck
"Denise LA re Poll
Liar Liar. The Question asks to you want Bush to SUCCEED does not say FAIL!!At the time in 2006 Bush after getting us into Iraq and botching Katrina the trust level was very low that his plans to SUCCEED not FAIL as you lied would cause more Americans to die and suffer.Context and timing is everthing. Idiot."


Hey, you f*cking moron. What's the opposite of succeed? It's failure.

And, don't you even bring up Katrina SINCE I live in the French Quarter and the real tragedies of Katrina were the damn Democratic morons, former Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco and Mayor Ray Nagin. You do not have the slightest idea of what when on, but of course that's what happens when you get your information from PMSNBC.

Glad you like your Robert Mugabe & Lady Macbeth. I hope they take every penny that you have and trample upon each single right granted to you by the US Constitution.

Hey, maybe, you can ask your moronic obaMESSiah, if you can work as his gift buyer because he sure as Hell needs one.

Sarge
You are so right!! The COW is overwhelmed!! How about that? What the hell did he think being POTUS was gonna be? A Community Organizing cake walk??? I'm not laughiing, but they say it's the best medicine...

Will- M.McCain

will-

Sorry, but I don't really care what Meghan McCain wrote about Rush or Ann Coulter or anyone else, who happens to be a Conservative. The woman voted for Al Gore and John Kerry, for that matter.

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/10/15/meghan-mccain-i- couldnt-vote-for-bush-because-it-was-personal/" target="_blank">http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/10/15/meghan-mccain-i- couldnt-vote-for-bush-because-it-was-personal/

Even if she had a personal dislike for W., it is difficult to imagine how M. McCain could be a Republican and believe that Gore or Kerry would have done a better job. Strange Republican logic. I suppose that if GWB had run against Pol Pot, M. McCain would have voted for the latter.

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/10/15/meghan-mccain-i- couldnt-vote-for-bush-because-it-was-personal/" target="_blank">http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/10/15/meghan-mccain-i- couldnt-vote-for-bush-because-it-was-personal/

Hey, Who's That Skinny Black Dude ?

What's that guy's name ,down in D.C.,who's fightin' with Limbaugh.

Tell him to meet Limbaugh at The corner of 16th & "K" Street and they can throw $100 Bills ,till one of them runs outta money.

Maybe,Limbaugh could hire that guy to clean his pool.




Tim, PA - Pay To Play?

Please don't encourage a $100 bill food fight between Rush and Obama....


We can't afford for Obama to sign another stinkulus bill....


Obama doesn't pay to play. He'll just use OUR money.

Does Polarizing Mean Stirring The Opposi
Well if so, they got me as a conservative as feeling as attached to the movement as I can ever recall. I can't recall Limbaugh saying anything out of order other than simply stating things that people who don't share the conservative POV don't like. But on the otherhand, Obama did just the same thing for me in his acceptance speech for the Democratic nomination. I'm glad the Obama team is elevating a potential rallying point for those of us who are opposed and flat afraid of what we wants to do.

Grow up Dems.....
Is there anyone out there dumb enough to think your beloved Dan Rather wanted George Bush to succeed? Harry Reed and Princes Pelosi were really supportive of Bush - weren't they? Rush is just more open about it - but then again Democrats are always very honest - we all know Chris Dodd didn't know he was getting a special deal from Countrywide, Barack never heard Rev. Wright say a disparaging word about the US, Clinton never had sex "with that woman" and "honest" Hillary was right on when she accused Gen Petreus of lying when he said the surge was working in Iraq.

Please keep showing your righteous indignation at Rush - it's the only thing mildly amusing since the "boy wonder" took office.

Listen to Rush America
Rush is speaking the truth. And TRUTH is a major threat to BO's (and company) agenda.

If Rush wasn't a threat they wouldn't bother with him - he'd be irrelevant.

I say to America -- LISTEN to what Rush is saying for a couple of weeks - then YOU decide if he's correct or not.

Forest/Trees
Typically, none of the conservative drones on TH can tell the difference between a forest and its trees.

Fighting with Limbaugh is a political tactic, nothing more. It has nothing to do with policy, so tryign to bring that into this particular debate is meaningless. Frum and the other conservatives trying to resurrect the party are operating in a world of political reality.

Limbaugh energizes the base, which is important politically. But he alienates the middle, including the middle right. He alienates women, who will be the majority of voters for many years to come. He alienates young people, who will eventually become voters. And he actually energizes the left wing base as well.

The equation is simple. The right wing base is never going to vote left anyway, no matter what. There is no loss at all to letting Limbaugh play to them. He alienates virtually every consituency which can be swayed. Keeping Limbaugh in the front allows Democrats to pull away a majority of every voting block that is up for grabs.

And its ain't over yet. A key point will arrive when Al Franken, of all people, is seated in the Senate. Huge political and propaganda gains will be made when Democrats begin to point out that Limbaugh, for all his bluster, hasn't got the spine of an Al Franken, who actually ran for office.





rush v. newt
well now newt's the latest to slam rush. rush fired back yesterday. so who's it gonna be folks? one of them is wrong.

John - good points........
but when is the "boy wonder" going to quit campaigning (dumb old me thought the election was last Nov.) and start governing? Maybe you haven't noticed - but the economy is in the toilet and his team is giddy, over what they perceive, as successful political conquests.

Rush Limbaugh is a distraction
Democrats are using this as a way to distract Conservative commentators and news reporters from discussing and reporting on the real issues.

Like a magician uses slight of hand to pull off a magic trick, Liberals are using Rush Limbaugh. While Rush is being attacked or defended they are working hard to put in place or in action their Liberal/Socialist agenda.

People who like Rush know what he said. They will continue to listen. People who hate Rush will continue to hate Rush.

The only thing this coverage is doing is displacing air time or bandwidth better spent on addressing real issues with the lynching of Rush.

roy

rush v. newt
well now newt's the latest to slam rush. rush fired back yesterday. so who's it gonna be folks? one of them is wrong.roy

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Let's see...
Newt said he doesn't want the President to fail BUT he wants the President to "change" his policies.

Rush said he wants BO's policies to fail, and Americans to succeed.

They are saying the same thing.

Only difference is one is a politician who relies on approval to gain support, and one is a talk show host who relies on controversy to attain ratings.



jo
but both want to lead the gop. and they despise each other. gotta pick one or the other.

John - PA
Limbaugh energizes the base, which is important politically. But he alienates the middle, including the middle right. He alienates women, who will be the majority of voters for many years to come. He alienates young people, who will eventually become voters. And he actually energizes the left wing base as well. John - PA

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I think your wrong, BO's attack is making people of all ages curious and they are listening to Rush. Rush's ratings went from 14.5 million to 25 million, thanks to BO.

Further, most people who give Rush a chance and actually LISTEN to him for a couple weeks change their minds about him. He is NOTHING like Daily KOS, Huff-Po or MSM makes him out to be.

Seems the left only gets satire/toung in cheek if it comes from the left.

McCain
Limbaugh criticized McCain because McCain was against pharmaceutical socialism - that is, government backing for things like Gardasil.

Conservatives should be appalled that the RINO Texas Governor wanted to mandate the vaccine: take it, or you don't get to go to government schools.

As far as I'm concerned, big business socialism is still socialism. That's where Rush and I disagree. But you won't find me finding fault with Rush, when the Idiot in Chief can't find his @$$ in the dark with two hands and with help from Squeaker Pelosi.

"And you expect to be taken seriously?"

Well, with a name like "Beastie Boy", do you?


BTW: How's your gerbil?

jo
you really think that the more people listen to rush the more they like him? well that hasn't been my experience. and especially with younger people. and your assertion that his audience has gone from 14 to 25 million is purely anecdotal. there are no rating numbers backing that claim up. but i think its good for dems to expose rush and to alert younger voters to him. if you are not already inclined to think that way it will just turn you off. thats why they call themselves dittoheads lol. i think that rush's mean spiritedness also turns off younger voters. thats why those democratic operatives are painting rush as the face and future of the gop. you think they are doing this just to make rush richer? they did it because they know that rush is a very polarizing figure. and its in their best interests to split the gop. it might make him a little richer but rush is already rich so why not?

Rush doesn't speak for me!
Jo: "Further, most people who give Rush a chance and actually LISTEN to him for a couple weeks change their minds about him. He is NOTHING like Daily KOS, Huff-Po or MSM makes him out to be."

He's worse. Totally unhinged. The effects of OxyContin are obvious.

The most compelling reason for sharing the wealth is also the most obvious: If you don't have customers to sell it to, there's not much point in building a better mousetrap.

Imprudent tax cuts for the wealthy are how we got to where we are. The nose-bleed stock market was a speculative bubble, created by ridiculous tax incentives. Multiples of earnings were in the twenties, which made no economic sense whatsoever.

Rush flunked out of community college, and it shows.

What Rush Libmaugh is!


Rush Limbaugh is the "VOICE" of “conservatism.” NOT the voice of “conservatives,” and NOT the leader of the Republican Party. His stated purpose is to passionately and articulately espouse the fundamental principles of true conservatism. Period!

The reason he is so vilified by the left is that those principles and ideas are anathema to the socialistic utopia they have in mind for you. And why pray-tell would they let a silly little thing like "freedom of speech" get in the way of their plans.

John in PA
Why in the world would Rush Limbaugh want to run for office? Would you go from a job paying multimillions a year to a job paying in the low six figures?

Al Franken's decision to run for office, on the other hand, was understandable given the fact that he wasn't drawing flies in HIS talk radio career - and given the fact that I'm sure, if he winds up being seated as a Senator, he wants to use his office to take revenge on people like Rush and Bill O'Reilly, who have experienced something in their media careers that HE'S still waiting for: SUCCESS!

LIMBAUGH ENERGIZES CONSERVATIVES

.....But his sphere of influence is limited to his 30 million listeners on talk radio ...the 18 to 30 yro group doesn't listen to much talk radio, their medium is TV and the Internet ...

.....RUSH does have a website but he refuses most invitations to appear on TV because he thinks they are Liberal Traps to ambush him and make him look bad ala SARAH PALIN ...

.....I think RUSH is wrong about this ...I think he should revive his old half hour TV show which had good ratings in spite of terrible time slots allotted to him by Liberal Stations ....since then the FOX Network has come onto the scene ...

.....FOX was smart enough to offer GLENN BECK a prime time slot and BECK is way out there compared to RUSH ...HANNITY is too strident, O'REILLY is a populist sell out and VAN SUSTERN is a one trick pony ...RUSH had a very entertaing show when he was on and I think FOX would be wise to make him a generous offer ...

.....With TV exposure RUSH would reach the millions who have bought into the lies and destroy the stereotype planted on him by the LIBERALS .....COLOSSUS

Jo
Even if your numbers were correct, which we really do not know, you should not conclude that people who listen to Limbaugh automatically agree with Limbaugh. It's just as likely that new people who listen to him find him to be an appalling blowhard.

And you should be cautious in regard to assuming others feel the same way you do about things. Because YOU think he makes sense do not assume others agree. I am quite happy to wait for actual data that helps us figure out how people react to him.

I have discussed Limbaugh and the talk radio hate phenomenon for many years with conservatives. It's amusing to find that when Limbaugh is criticized on policy issues, people claim he's just an entertainer. But when people claim to hate entertainers who get political, then Limbaugh becomes a spokesperson.

If LImbaugh want any respect, he should run for office. Thus far he has been afraid to do that.


Oh, Denise, oooby-oooo!
Denise [quoting BB]: "And you expect to be taken seriously?"

Well, with a name like "Beastie Boy", do you?"

My handles are satirical in nature, as is the bulk of my commentary.

ROY IL

.....NEWT was on a roll and RUSH was one of his biggest boosters until NEWT began caving in to media pressure and let foolish House rules that apply only to Republicans force him out of his Speaker position ...then he began to cozy up to BILL and Bi-partisanship became the WORD that defined him just like it did McCain and all the other REPUBLICAN losers ...

.....Remember the commercial he made with PELOSI about the GLOBAL WARMING HOAX? ...

.....NEWT is done as a CONSERVATIVE leader ...he is a political gad-fly who is a legend in his own mind ...RUSH has the guts to speak the truth and is willing to take the arrows ...NEWT was not ...case closed .....COLOSSUS

I'm not sure what that means any more
DanNV: "Rush Limbaugh is the "VOICE" of “conservatism.”"

What is "conservatism?" It used to mean that our inalienable human rights were individual in character, and conservatives stood for the notion that they were indefeasible. It used to mean that the government had no more business being in the bedroom as it did the boardroom. Rush does not speak for me, any more than the other religious nuts on this forum.

John In PA:
Rush is willing to debate Obama mano a mano but Barry is scared. Rush would make mincemeat out of Barry even if Barry was allowed to bring his teleprompter.

Rush is not the one who is afraid.


Beastie Boy
Please re-read my post and explain in simple words just where you find any inference that Limbaugh "speaks" for anyone!

As for conservativism, you are a liberal, you are incapable of understanding value, principle, conviction, purpose, honesty, truth and fact, but then I wouldn't purport to "speak for you."

stands
yeah i would go from earning millions to a 6 figure salary if i thought the country was heading into the sewer and i thought i had the right ideas to stop it. the fact that rush doesn't tells me all i need to know about him.

roy
"and your assertion that his audience has gone from 14 to 25 million is purely anecdotal."

Actually, the proper way to express it is:

Share of audience:
December 4.7
January 5.9
Percent change +26%

Source: Arbitron

The above +26% increase covers a time period before the manufactured controversy. It will be interesting to see the Share of audience between Jan and Feb, and Feb to March.

Here I am engaging in a debate over a non-issue.

The only reason I even responded is because some people step in it so deep when they start talking about things they have NO knowledge of that they deserve to be called out when they do.



Oh, and your sentence quoted above should start with a capital A.

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/capital.asp

roy
Frankly, I think Rush has a better position to stop the country's drift into the sewer where he is right now than if he were currently a Republican Senator or member of the House - and at much more handsome compensation, to boot!

Remember when Bill Clinton savaged Rush during his presidency and complained that it seemed that Rush was getting all the attention while Clinton seemed to be being treated as irrelevant? That told me right there what the Democrats believed about how much influence Rush Limbaugh REALLY had. If he were in the House of Representatives right now, on the other hand, he'd be pretty much neutered. If Rush Limbaugh was a figure of no importance in the minds of the Democrats - read, NO THREAT - they wouldn't be spending the time they are these days zeroing in on him. Why attack someone you don't perceive as having any real ability to hurt you?

And don't think that I believe you for a minute that you would give up a megamillions job for a 6-figure salary as a member of the national legislature or some other position where you thought you'd have more of an influence on public policy. Liberals have NEVER impressed me with their claims of altruism. On another thread this morning, some posters were talking about the lavish Wednesday night parties the Obama Administration is throwing - while we're in the middle of a financial meltdown. Yeah, Obama's willingness to sacrifice some measure of unnecessary luxury in a time of deprivation for many is plain for all to see, isn't it? With VERY few exceptions, the rest of the liberal community is no more altruistic, either.

LouLouise
Missing the political reality, aren't you? Obama doesn't need to "debate" Limbaugh. Obama went to the American people and made his case. That's where the debate took place, and Obama won that debate decisively.

If Limbaugh wants to "debate" Obama, he needs to run for office.

John
It kinda helps when you have the networks willing to cut the quote in half and only use the half that makes the best liberal soundbite. I would say that the MSM won the "debate", not Obama.

christopher
you don't know what you are talking about i'm afraid. go to rush's own website and see for yourself. rush himself says there is no way you can tell if his ratings have doubled. so you are calling me out for being wrong when the numbers haven't even come out yet. and that jump from 14 to 25 million came from washington post reporter howard kurtz who after other reporters researched it,apparently just pulled those numbers out of his rectum. so you are officially called out. oh and since i rarely capitalize anything when posting if it throws you off just skip over it lol. i advise you to do a little more research before you " call someone out" though.

stands
you are admitting that rush has more power than any republican in the country right now. and that makes him the defacto leader of the gop. thats all the democrats were pointing out. and i wasn't talking about senator limbaugh or rep. limbaugh. i was talking about president limbaugh.

roy
Whether or not Rush actually HAS more power than any Republican in the Congress right now, the Democrats seem to PERCEIVE this is the case; quite clearly, the Democrats don't feel any Republican in the Congress is a threat to them right now - but they clearly think Rush IS.

All the proof you need of THAT is all the Congressional Democrats who want to revive the Fairness Doctrine - and I'll give you one guess who's squarely in the cross hairs as its target. And don't bother telling me how Obama has said he opposes the Fairness Doctrine: after his appropriation bill was laden with the very same earmarks he had told us on the campaign trail last year he would put an end to, I don't believe what he says anymore that seems to depart in the slightest from liberal orthodoxy. He may TALK bi-partisanship - but he has no intention of practicing it. He talks about parents needing to take more responsibility for the upbringing of their kids - but he will go along with all the liberal nostrums that in practice emasculate that very principle.

A Trusted Voice
Dittos to the Last Man Standing.

I concur with Rush in saying "I Hope He Fails"

I hope when it comes to his socialist policies he fails. The GOP needs to listen to Rush and stop eating their own, especially a trusted voice like Rush.

stands
oh i don't think they fear him at all. if rush is such a threat, why doesn't he run for potus? i mean he's getting all this publicity and more folks are tuning in. you guys say thats all people have to do. tune in and you will be converted. well it shouldn't be a problem then right? rush will destroy obama in a debate correct? what are you guys waiting for? start a rush for president campaign. if enough of you draft him he can't say no.

Funny, I was only 34
when I started listening to Rush, Jay Diamond, James and Joel, Bob Grant and Barry Farber. Watch the generalizations. Jonathan Krohn is a smart kid and turned 14 AT the CPAC meeting.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Timmah
You write: "I would say that the MSM won the "debate", not Obama."

You can SAY anything that comes into your mind, and I imagine that you do. However, the facts are what they are: Obama won the election, which is the process we have in America for determining who wins the debate.

If Limbaugh wants to debate Obama, he should run for President.


roy

Why do you think that the Administration attacks Rush, Santelli and Cramer, who is a Liberal Democrat? Is it because they have dared to criticize Obama's policies? Are we supposed to expect that all dissent should be quashed and the 1st Amendment shredded when Democrats are in office? Was it unpatriotic of Democrats to criticize Bush during a time of war? Was it "treasonous" for them to wish not only for his failure, but for his conviction for BS "war crimes"? Was it sick for some on their side to produce films and books fantasizing about Bush's death or assasination?

Frankly, I think that the fact that they attacked the speech of a private individual, who happens to be a celebrity (just like anyone in Hollywood or the music industry), because they do not want ANY one to dissent. Perhaps, it is diabolical or, maybe, it is fear that Obama's support may begin to erode.

Presidents are supposed to be Presidential. This isn't some pick-up game on the Southside where an inside elbow is acceptable. Obama is supposed to be the Leader of the Free World. He needs to act like it.

Say what you will about Bush, but he NEVER complained about the atrocious press he received.

roy
Still haven't addressed the topic I raised before regarding the Fairness Doctrine - about which there is no question who the Democrats intend to target first with it if it is revived. I'd say the talk about its resurrection says everything that needs to be said about whether the Democrats REALLY have no fear of Rush Limbaugh - or those like him.

Those who are with Rush...
...are in good company.

Standsonshakyground
If anyone proposes the revival of the Fairness Doctrine, I promise I will be the very first liberal to stand with you and oppose it.

Until that happens, you are living in a dreamworld. Pay attention to what is happening, not to what your propaganda masters tell you will be the next piece of the sky to fall.

You underestimate how useful Limbaugh is to Democrats.

stands
well i never really cared too much for the fairness doctrine but if the gop is going to make rush the leader of the party and give him a forum like he has now i might have to rethink it.

roy redux
In fact, all you need to know about how much Obama fears ANY dissent, as Denise just indicated, was in the run-up to the passage of his "stimulus" package. Remember how much whining he was doing about the Republicans not going along with it - when he had all the votes he needed from his own party to pass whatever bill he wanted without needing a single Republican vote whatsoever.

The reports are already rife about how much of a toll the grind of the presidency is ALREADY taking on Obama - and he hasn't even been president two months! I imagine the incident TownHall reported on this morning about those Chinese ships harassing an Navy mapping ship in international waters isn't helping Obama's tranquility, either.

denise
cramer is a pretty shady character. i know you don't like jon stewart but go to comedy central and look at his take on cramer. its hilarious. cramer was telling everyone to buy bear stearns 7 weeks before they went under. then 5 days before they went under he told people to hold. he said hold at 69 and 5 days later they were at 2 lol. santelli is disingenous too. as a derivatives trader and executive he was all for the wall street bailout. start talking about mainstreet and he goes postal. he doesn't want to bailout individual homebuyers. well thats all well and good but i didn't want to bail out individual derivative traders either.

John in PA and roy
John in PA:

What do you mean, "If anyone proposes the revival of the Fairness Doctrine...."?

Several Democrats have ALREADY proposed it: Debbie Stabenow and Chuck Schumer, just to name two.

And if the Democrats think they're going to be able to use Rush Limbaugh as a diversion as the sky falls in on Obama's policies, they're sadly mistaken. As Americans' 401(k)'s become 201(k)'s and 101(k)'s, and as other governments start challenging the U.S. in the military arena as China did as I previously noted, Americans are NOT going to be placated by Obama answering their concerns by savaging Rush Limbaugh.


roy:

It isn't the REPUBLICAN PARTY that gave Rush Limbaugh the forum he has now, it was the AMERICAN PEOPLE through their tuning in of his program in the numbers they have all these years. He didn't get that big contract from ClearChannel because of his place in the Republican Party but because of his position with the American people.

The fact that you would even entertain the notion that Rush seems to warrant serious consideration for reviving the Fairness Doctrine says everything about whether you TRULY believe he is no threat to liberals.


roy
well i never really cared too much for the fairness doctrine but if the gop is going to make rush the leader of the party and give him a forum like he has now i might have to rethink it. roy

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In other words roy chooses silencing dissent.


stoopsonground
Let me clarify.

When the Fairness Doctrine is actually proposed, as in legislatively, you can count on me. I don't feel there is much of concern in that regard. It ain't gonna come up, and if it was passed, it would be overturned in a flash by SCOTUS. It's just a tool to play to the paranaoia of the right wing.

You did get part of the equation right. Democratic arguing agaisnt Limbaugh is just a political ploy. It's working at the moment and may be useful in some tough times.


Mad Money Cramer

Roy, believe me, I know. He is a nutter. He is a Liberal Democrat that has given over $100K to the DNCC; however, so the fact that he would criticize Obama is remarkable.

I guess what you are saying is that, if anyone has done anything in the past that is disingenuous, shady or worse, then they should be destroyed. Is this right? Because if it is, please let me know when we are going to have the mass executions for Bill Ayres, Rev. Wright, Bernadette Dohrn, criminal actors, Clinton's former Treasury Secretary, Bob Rubin, who was one of the highest paid advisors at CitiGroup. I could go on, but you get the idea.

Rush is a distraction
behind which the GOP can hide its lack of policy alternatives.

With respect to Joe McCarthy, Rush is the GOP's modern version of Joe McCarthy. That's an insult to McCarthy, of course, one of the biggest liars and evil people in American history, sheer ego and ambition running amok over the lives of many good, honest people. Back then, though, the GOP had people who were the grown ups, who took McCarthy out. The left tried to take him out, but it was the people of his own party who ultimately took him down.

Same thing with Nixon. Nixon was ready to destroy the party for his own ego, his sense of 'right', but Goldwater and a couple of others, 'grownups', told him he had to go. No grownups when Clinton ran amok, which doomed his party for a while, certainly hurt Gore.

Now, the GOP seems to lack grownups who will tell Rush he is causing more harm than good. David Brooks in today's NY Times tries to do this, but he'll be sacrificed on the altar of Rush just like Steele has been.

When the GOP decides to show us alternatives, instead of just character assassination and lies like Rush uses, well, maybe it will be able to regroup. For now, unless it plans to run Rush in 2012 (unlikely, given Rush's total lack of experience or morality), it is stuck with needing a total economic and defense collapse in order to not lose more seats in 2010 and onward.

But enjoy the Rush-isms, the name plays (like Pelousey, how clever, not), or Jimmy Cahtah, so unclever. So long as Rush calls the shots, that's all you'll have. How about some feminazi stuff, or homeless updates? That's the ticket! Not!

Question to the libs
Name a specific belief that Rush holds that is incompatible with our constitution. Just one.

Also, I didn't say everyone agrees with Rush, I did say that there are those who have changed their minds from actually listening to Rush and not the liberal Rush/republican/conservative bashing SPIN media.

I know this for a fact - I am one of them. And I was YOUNG, 20's when I started listening off and on - so young people (and women) do listen. Since then I've met several people who say they never knew what Rush was about untill they listened to him.

Frankly, I think it depends on where you live. If you live rurally/urban more women, young people and moderate democrats like to listen to him. The primarily socialist liberal larger cities - not as much.

Politics as usual
Obama promised us no more politics as usual. He has made good at this. He has moved politics to a new level of skill and cynicism. Interestingly, in August 2006 a poll indicated 51% of Democrats wanted Bush to fail. Then there was the ceaseless rhetoric from the likes of Pelosi and Reid.

Republicans - man up and stand behind your principals. Don't be bullied by Democrats and give as good as you get!

Robert:
Hate to point this out, but the GOP are NOT the ones who are worried about Rush. Neither are are the conservatives (who you should realize are different than the GOP.) We just get amused at the Democrat activities about him. Why get upset if he tells the truth - or even part of the truth? The Democrats want to make the youth believe he is the GOP party? Why? The youth are generally liberal and could care less. The conservatives know differently. Have fun bashing him ... it gives us all a good laugh at you.

Republican Ideas
The Republicans who voted for Obamas rediculous bills can go to hell. We are right where we need to be IF we just stick together and fight EVERY Marxist/Socialist bill Obamas cabinet of idiots and the Pelossi Posse (Nancy, Frank, Dodd, Reid & Schumer)propose.

You see it is THEY who will lead the Republicans back to power as they KILL any attempt at economic growth, energy efficiency or security like they do every time they are in power.

All we Repubs have to do is stick together and fight these morons. It will be too easy. The RINOs need to be run out of our party.

Robert, CA
Do you understand that it is extraordinarily rare for a party to have a "leader" when they don't control the legislative and executive branches of government. Who was the Democratic Party's leader from 2001-2006?

Rush is NOT the leader of the Republican Party. He doesn't want to be. He IS a radio talk show host. He is a fiscal conservative (not a social one) and disgrees hardly with some Republicans. Good grief! Where were you when Rush criticized Bush over the Dubai Ports proposed deal or his spending?

Rush doesn't claim to be a paragon of virtue. It seems to me that those, who focus on another's morality, have little of their own.

45 Caliber
You said ..."the GOP are NOT the ones who are worried about Rush. Neither are are the conservatives (who you should realize are different than the GOP.)" Well, many thoughtful (as in, actually thinking getting elected makes some sense if you wish to implement your plans) GOP types like Gingrich and Brooks (even Kristol isn't very happy with a Rush led movement) are worried about Rush. They know that Rush is a modern day Father Coughlin, a rabble rouser at best, and that in the end, the GOP will remain in the desert until they can connect again, as President Reagan did, with a majority.

Dems are not upset at all. Do you understand that Rush is a joke to most Americans. His audience is what, 20 million max during one week? Those 20 million spread out over 50 states? Not a very big number, you know.

You can disparage our young people if you wish, but I raised two of them, and they are very engaged and very involved. They will remain so, and their friends are no different. The reason they will is because abstract policy discussions are one thing, hate broadcast daily is another. Most young Americans are not against gay marriage, or abortion, issues that define the right. So, as old righties die or fall off into dementia (clutching their transistor radios and little teensy tinny earphones because technology is so darn complicated, lol), their voting places are taken by younger, more tolerant people.

The demographics are not in your favor, 45. Perhaps you can secede from the union.

Robert CA
Lack of GOP policy? That's new for your side. No more Bush policy derangement syndrome?If anyone is hiding policy by-way of Rush - it's the left.

Rush is not PC, he calls people what they are. Feminazi is a great term for those who clearly proved during the last election that they are pro-abortion not pro-choice. Or like woman's group "NOW" snubbing Palin because she was not in the correct political party for a woman to run. She wasn't the same as *them* - this is Nazi-ism. Rush called it what it is.

Why don't you liberals stop whining about private citizens freedom of speech, and start explaining to the rest of us how it is that BO's policies will work.

Historically no country has ever spent it's way into prosperity. Please enlighten us on how it's going to work now.

RUSH IS TODAYS THOMAS PAINE
Like the great pamphleteer, Thomas Paine, Rush takes complicated subjects and clarifies them. His response to Deb Saunder's inquiry today was among his finest hours.

Citing James Madison's Federalist Papers, Rush showed why at times we should want the President to fail.

Deborah, here's an idea for a timely column: Rush Limbaugh, Todays Thomas Paine.

Robert, CA
When did an audience of 20M become chicken feed? You tell me, outside of the Super Bowl and American Idol, which shows come on television that even approach Limbaugh's reach?

Rush doesn't speak for you and that's fine. Rush doesn't speak for me because I can speak for myself as a fiscally-conservative (Constitutionalist) Independent. Rush doesn't speak for ANYONE.

As the mother of two young children, I understand your concern for young people, but the biggest threat to their future comes from the failure in education. Did you see the numerous you tube clips last fall where college-age kids were characterizing themselves as Socialists and wanted socialism here? Is this what you want?

Not trying to be flip, but are you or have you ever been a Socialist or Communist?

Denise
Rush is NOT the leader of the Republican Party. He doesn't want to be. He IS a radio talk show host. He is a fiscal conservative (not a social one) and disgrees hardly with some Republicans. Denise

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Amen. They would know this if they listened to him.

It is so obvious who listens to the liberal spin sites and not to Rush.

John In PA
You said about the Fairness Doctrine, "and if it was passed, it would be overturned in a flash by SCOTUS."

You mean the same way SCOTUS overturned the McCain-Feingold bill's restrictions on free speech as well, which most people - apparently including George Bush - figured was a foregone conclusion? The swing vote on the court at present, Anthony Kennedy, is anything but a rock-ribbed conservative.

You also said, "Democratic arguing agaisnt Limbaugh is just a political ploy. It's working at the moment and may be useful in some tough times."

If those "tough times" include the aftermath of a major terrorist attack a la 9/11 or worse before the next presidential election, Obama is going to have a lot to answer for before the American people - and going off on Rush Limbaugh at that time, like Bill Clinton did in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, isn't going to cut
it. The Democrats are only going to be able to milk THAT cow for so long; at some point, they're going to have the give the American people ANSWERS rather than EXCUSES or DIVERSIONS.

JO
as long as Rush rants on, the topic has been changed. Most Americans do not listen to Rush. They could care less. He is not elected. He has a forum (and is paid what, $50 million per year to rant on that forum, give him points for figuring out how to run a national scam). No one is trying to shut him up. I for one am happy to hear him rabble rouse. Whenever I speak with someone who spews his rot, I know that person is intolerant and simplistic.

Feminists rejected Palin because she is not a feminist. She is what conservatives think feminists should be...not what anyone interested in women's rights would be. No one is pro abortion. Pro choice is legal, and will remain so. I find it funny that so called pro life people care more about in utero fetuses and vegetative condition adults than they care about poor, uninsured people in our country. Those folks are 'irresponsible', so of course, Jesus would support you in your judgment of them, and your refusal to help them.

Rush is a gift to the left that will keep on giving. You see, Rush cares only about Rush. If he thought holding human sacrifices of gay or 'feminazi' people would get him ratings, he'd do that. If tomorrow, the country rejected his 'conservativism', he'd find some other scam. And folks like you would follow him.

Meanwhile, we have a great president who is ignoring Rush, why you folks rush to his defense.

Robert, CA

What do you know about feminism? I have 2 undergrad degrees, 2 minors, a MBA, and a JD (all from Ivy League schools except for the MBS from Lon. B-Sch). I am the GC of a corp. w/ a $3B market cap. and manage a staff of nearly 100. I raise my children without financial assistance from my ex-husband, who fleeced me out of everything that I brought into the marriage; yet, I succeeded and I am NOT a victim.


How dare YOU or alone else decide who is and who is not a feminist? People like you are losers and have to be scions of a families like the Kennedys (or at least have supporters like them fawning at their feet) in order to succeed even though you NEVER leave behind your victimhood status. People like Palin prove that they can succeed doing it the hard way.

Finally, if feminism is about choice, then it is up to me to make MY choices and I dare anyone on your side to try to dictate to me what I should do. I am fed up with people that take the position that we are simpletons, who couldn't possibly succeed without the intervening hand of Goobermint or Liberals.

Save it and shove it.

No Denise
or should I call you Joe McCarthy asking such a stupid question? I've got two sons, one went to private school from nursery school on, second one, public school suited him better. College for both, grad school for the older one right now. Younger one is still a freshman. Both at 'public' universities here in CA. Neither son has been indoctrinated by their teachers or by the media. Both are liberals, practical young men, but so long as the social conservatives run the GOP, they will vote Dem. It really is that simple. They live different lives than you may...they know many gay people, many different ethnic and racial groups. I know that people like you, Denise, would love to blame our educators, but let's be honest: it is a parent's job to educate his or her children, whether on moral or academic issues. Just because we have so many fearful people in this country, mostly on the conservative side, who are too lazy to raise their own children properly so they want all public institutions and policies bend to their will to make that job easier.

I'm actually still registered GOP, but that is changing because I am very angry at my party for having destroyed this economy and sent thousands of our best young people to their deaths in a war that the GOP still cannot justify.

Stands on sand
There you go again. I talk about tough political times and right away you jump to massive terrorist attacks. You guys are simply paranoid, and it shows.

The Fairness Doctrine, as it was formulated, was predicated on there being limited access to ediverse opinions. In teh world of the Internet, there is no way a Fairness Doctrine would survive a SCOTUS challenge.

Robert-CA
Republicans, GOP, conservatives whomever. Are not worried about Rush.

BO is.

Why else would BO bother with a talk show host? They know they must silence the truth (Rush) to push their anti-American agenda.

14.5 million, 20 million, or 25 million is really irrelevant - Rush is still the most popular talk show host ever, his listeners have grown over the years, and thanks to BO - still growing.

Unlike the NY Times and other liberal media he isn't going broke.

Hey, John
The Fairness Doctrine is not a law. It is usually done through regulation by the FCC. As for the internet, there have been numerous statements made by many in the Democratic Leadership to include the internet in a new Fairness Doctrine. Of course, the new "doctrine" will be called another name.

Are you an attorney? I find it interesting that non-lawyers always think that they absolutely know how SCOTUS will rule.

Jo
Barack Obama, who I understand is some kind of Christian, gets on his knees each night and thanks his God for Rush Limbaugh. The moneys roll into the DNC, and therefore to Dem candidates who will dig the GOP hole even deeper in 2010 and 2012. LOL.

Rush Limbaugh, who I don't think is any kind of Christian, nevertheless thanks his God each night for Barack Obama. The moneys roll in. To Rush. He does better as head of the opposition, and that's all the man cares about.


Talk about out of touch!
I find it funny that so called pro life people care more about in utero fetuses and vegetative condition adults than they care about poor, uninsured people in our country. Those folks are 'irresponsible', so of course, Jesus would support you in your judgment of them, and your refusal to help them. robert

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You kidding right -- is this satire?

Liberal democrats REPRESS people. They do their best to keep them ignorant and poor so they can promise handouts and gov't programs, in return for their votes. How many promises have come true, huh? None? Of course not democrat voters are a tool of liberals, nothing more.

Democrat leaders do not care about the people, freedom, or any other lie they espouse.

But conservatives do. Conservative want *all* people to succeed. We don't put people in "groups" and promise to help "only them". We help ALL people. I'm all for giving a handout to help others up. But they have to get on their own feet in time not sponge off the rest of us. (And republicans give MORE than democrats to charity - case and point)

BTW Jesus wanted us ALL to prosper and give in tithe. (Charity not robbery) No place in the Bible does it say that the lazy, poor, down trodden, or ignorant get a free pass. It says they will reap what they sow.
Slothfulness is a sin. It is shameful how some on your side beg for handouts. No pride no integrity, should be embarrassing for you, but no you wear it like a badge of honor.


Jo
charity hasn't worked for decades. Charity sure didn't work in 1932 did it?

And conservatives want to control people and their behavior. Why else would you be against gay marriage?

Robert CA
Well I've never heard Rush say "talent on lone from my Muslim faith"...

But I have heard Obama say "my Muslim faith".

He's SOME kind of Christian alright - the black liberation kind. Which bases it's hateful religion on MARXIST theory.

Denise
You said to John in PA, "Are you an attorney? I find it interesting that non-lawyers always think that they absolutely know how SCOTUS will rule".

That's exactly the point I tried to make to him in my 2:24 pm post.

Jo--stop judging others
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye;’ and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

Denise
One not need be a lawyer to pay attention to what is happening legally and conceptually in the mass media.

I am confident SCOTUS would rule against the Fairness Doctrine, at least as it was formulated up to the 80's. That doctrine was based on a scarcity of access, which is simply not an issue. Whether it were a law or an administrative policy would be irrelevant.

AS I said, if there is a proposal, I would oppose it. But there is very little chance of such a proposal being enacted. The political costs woudl be too high, given the likelihood of being slapped down by SCOTUS.


Robert read a book

charity hasn't worked for decades. Charity sure didn't work in 1932 did it?


Charity has saved lives all around the world. You think donations to the red cross didn't help Katrina victims? I know people who went to LA to help the ungrateful. Good Christians that did not deserve to be treated badly.
FACT
Handouts prolonged the depression. Spending prolonged the depression - this is what BO is doing to our economy.

Please name ONE country that has spent it's way into prosperity - please!

Robert CA
Wow your knowledge of scripture is astounding. (NOT)

Ok I ask - again - Can you name one country that has ever spent its way into prosperity? Why don't you tell us how spending will save the economy.

Enlighten us.


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SCOTUS is what?

Jo
you are delusional and frankly brainwashed. Spending to prosperity? What the heck does that mean? We are not handing money out on the streets. We are allocating funds for infrastructure repairs and building...just like we did for Iraq. Ok with you? That's spending. If we let the mortgages go into default, what do you end up with? Empty houses, right? Why not just let people pay less, stay in the properties, so neighborhoods don't go into total disrepair?

Or is it about making a point...bad borrower! Go to your room!

And Jo, our government's share of the Katrina aid far exceeded private contributions. I wouldn't want to wait on contributions from people if an earthquake were to hit San Diego...I mean, people like you would probably put strings on your money, like don't rebuild any gay owned homes!

Sorry, you judge so much, we cannot as a nation depend on people like you to help people.

denise
i didn't say anything about " destroying " anyone. a stint in the rock breaking academy wouldn't hurt though. hard work builds character you know. thats what most of these guys are lacking. that or a good ol fashioned country a** whipping.

Stands
"You said to John in PA, "Are you an attorney? I find it interesting that non-lawyers always think that they absolutely know how SCOTUS will rule".

"That's exactly the point I tried to make to him in my 2:24 pm post."


Stands, it is ridiculous to ever believe you can accurately predict how a court will rule. In all my years of practice, I have never assumed that a court would find in my favor. Conversely, I have argued many cases before appellate courts, 3 judges to en banc panels, and there have been times that I have been bombarded with negative questions. After leaving court, I would be absolutely certain that I had lost. Then, the opinion would be released and, lo and behold, the court found in my favor.

The bottom line is that you just never know. It is sort of the like the case involving the CT State Legislature's attempt to regulate the Catholic Church. Obviously, we would be standing on pretty firm ground while arguing that such a move would be violative of the Establishment Clause. At present, I think that such an assumption would be safe considering the make up of SCOTUS, but in the future...?

Robert
"Just because we have so many fearful people in this country, mostly on the conservative side, who are too lazy to raise their own children properly so they want all public institutions and policies bend to their will to make that job easier."

What a crock! All of those different groups in the Democratic Party do such a better job at educating their children, yeah right. I live in an urban area and the streets aren't filled with little Liberal Einsteins and Madame Curries.

Personally, one of my children attends a private academy and the other is away at boarding school. I would never send my children to the cesspools that are our public schools where the teachers' unions are considered more important than the children. And, please do not try to deny it. I do a lot of public speaking in New Orleans public schools. I see what goes on and I listen to the parents and educators.

John
"I'm actually still registered GOP..."

I'm a registered Independent.

"but that is changing because I am very angry at my party for having destroyed this economy"

I'm angry, too, but both parties are responsible. I can provide you utube clips where Bawney Frank, Maxine Waters, Greg Meeks, etc., are on record saying that F.Mae & F.Mac were safe. I can also send you the the date of a NYT article in 1999 (auth. Holmes) that warned about the changes Clinton made to the CRA so to encourage more homeownership.

Just remember, if you think it is bad now, just wait until inflation hits next year or in 2011.

"and sent thousands of our best young people to their deaths in a war that the GOP still cannot justify."

I was against going into Iraq and would have turned Afghanistan into a new sea after 9/11. Yes, I have moderated somewhat. Anyway, be careful since even Newsweek has called Afghanistan Obama's potential Vietnam.


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"Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Robert- SCOTUS defined

Supreme Court of the United States

Robert CA
that explains a lot of your posts.

SCOTUS - supreme court of the united states.


Denise
YOu said, "Stands, it is ridiculous to ever believe you can accurately predict how a court will rule".

AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH!

I even had given John in PA an example: a lot of people - apparently including George Bush - figured the Supreme Court would overturn McCain-Feingold's restrictions on the First Amendment. How'd THAT work out?

We have so many idiot judges on the bench today that I don't presume any more that what seems totally self-evident to you and me and any other person who has even two still-functional brain cells in terms of pure common sense is so self-evident to a lot of our esteemed judges. And with the verdicts we've seen handed down in the last several years by some of the panels of idiots we euphemistically call juries - like the McDonald's coffee-spilling case - well, gets back to the same point.

In fact, as Obama fills the vacancies on our federal bench - not just the seats expected to open up on the Supreme Court, but at the lower levels of the federal judiciary as well - I don't even want to THINK about what kind of rulings we're going to be seeing in our nation in the days to come!

Robert CA
Spending to prosperity? What the heck does that mean? We are not handing money out on the streets. We are allocating funds for infrastructure repairs and building...just like we did for Iraq. Ok with you? -- Robert

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Well isn't that something! You lefties have been screaming about how Iraq was a failure- but now you are ok with the same sort of "failure spending"??

LOL! But get real, the two aren't even comparable.

Just as we need fire, rescue, police, and other *municipality* services we have FEMA (FEDERAL emergency management admin.) and state emergency plans.

They are a given! But the christian coalition, red cross, and other *charities* that receive MILLIONS of dollars in donations help immensely.

Wow talk about brainwashed... You think that the government supplying all services is better than privately owned supplying them?

Do you know how tyranny starts? The governments take over services, and make them state run! One at a time claiming the greater good for the people. (Like our banking system perhaps?)

Just ask Venezuelans about Chavez -- or Cubans about Castro. It does NOT get better for the people, it only get's better for the elite ruling party.

A vote for BO was a vote for your own slavery.


One last lesson for Robert
If we let the mortgages go into default, what do you end up with? Empty houses, right? Why not just let people pay less, stay in the properties, so neighborhoods don't go into total disrepair? robert

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Mortgages in default we end up in foreclosure (or as Denise would may say lis pendens), they would go back on the market and be resold as they are now.The people who lost the home would have to rent thus refilling empty homes.

You are suggesting that the banks allow people to pay less, and in some cases they are adjusting the terms. But WHY should banks or taxpayers be the ones to pay for those who ignored the rule of due diligence? Shouldn't those who got in over their heads have to pay for their OWN mistakes? I say they should.

Imagine at your job your boss says to you - well I'm paying to $10 and hour but now I think I'll pay you less. Would that be fair?

Rush collects good video clips.

See for yourself;
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092908/content/ 01125107.huest.html

The video clips show who & when, this tells what and why;
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the _strategy.html

This explains exactly why Obama keeps saying things to discourage the Stock Market.

Fineman Says Establishment Turns On Obam

Uh Oh ! Newsweek's Howard Fineman writes,".But, in ways both large and small, what's left of the American establishment is taking his measure and, with surprising swiftness, they are finding him lacking."

What ? They Find The Messiah "lacking " ?

Ohhh My,My,My !


As The Worm Turns

Obama still has the approval of the people, but the establishment is beginning to mumble that the president may not have what it takes.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188565



Tim, PA: I saw your post with the quote, but didn't know if you had the whole article. I am sure others will want to read it, too, since Fineman must have been on drugs when he wrote it. Criticize the messiah? Horrors!!!

Denise Dahlink! I sure
hope you will take up the offer to join the Chat Room. Your postings to the TH columns are "right on."

Another One Bites The Dust!!!

BREAKING NEWS: Chas Freeman has withdrawn

Can all Libbies, Indies, and Reppies say, "YES!"... afterall, the criticism of Freeman has come from all sides?

Just to review: He has some sort of think-tank thingy that is funded by the Saudis. Did some work for the Chinese. AND, said that the US was responsible for 9/11. How Obama could ever have picked him to be the head intelligence analyst is beyond me.

The Good News.......
I get Limbaugh 24/7 and on Ditto cam. I have never heard, in 18 years of listening, anything I failed to understand or agree with.

The Bad News: Barhag Who is Insane O'bummer is not in anyway capable of delivering an informative and entertaining 3 hour radio show. This means every libtard and demonicRAT should be aware that O'bummer is not qualified to be critical of Limbaugh.

Libtard demonicRAT commies are qualified to lie, steal from the public treasury, destroy liberty and place us in in danger from foreign enemies.

TH posters should not ever doubt the R.P.D.U.I's expertise when they proclaim O'bummers greatness.


bad news
never in 18 years heard anything you disagreed with? i guess rush is like the pope then huh? infallible lol. maybe dittoheads can get him a sainthood. i'm sure you can come up with 3 miracles. ditto cam? is that where dittoheads can watch rush 24/7? i hope you at least turn it off when he's in the can. or bedroom. man, i just made myself ill.

MyOpine & williebeaux

M.O.: Hi. Thanks so much for the links. They were very interesting. Did I post the 4 links on this page about Geithner & Obama and eroding confidence? Also, one is about the dubious factors they use to develop a "new" Keynesianism multiplier to replace the "old" multiplier, which doesn't go far enough, fast enough. Now, you know how they came to the laughable prediction that the economy would grow by 3.4% next year.

williebeaux: Hi. Can you send me the address or link again? Thank you.

Denise

If you have a "Throwaway" e-mail address, send me an e-mail at myopine@myway.com

If you don't have a Throwaway address;
go to mail.google.com and get one.

We don't like to post the link to the Chat Room.

my opine
you might get some liberal moles in there huh?

roy

That has happened.
None have ever lasted more than a few moments.
However brief, they are a nuisance because of the steps that must be taken to be sure they never return.

Chat Room is by invitation only.

Denise Dahlink! I don't
have the link for the Chat Room. Sorry. If you send My Opine your e-mail address (throwaway or otherwise) he can send you the link. Looking forward to you joining our little group of conservative, patriotic radicals.

tim
yeah but the establishment isn't who elected obama. the establishment president was the guy before remember?

"Hoping" for failure
There is a certain dishonesty to the claim by Republicans that one "hopes Obama succeeds." Obama is pushing a leftist agenda. If you are a Republican, you should not want that agenda to get passed. In this sense, you want him to fail.

But the left, and his sympathizers on the right, claim they want him to succeed in another sense. They claim that they hope his ideas work. So we are all supposed to obliterate the distinction between these two senses, and then pretend, on top of that, that it is simply a matter of probabilities, of rolling the dice, and maybe his ideas will work and maybe not, but we hope they will.

The truth is that leftist ideas must, by their very nature, fail. It is not a question of probabilities. Therefore, an accurate response to the question of whether we hope he succeeds would be that I hope he fails to get his agenda passed. But if he does succeed in getting it passed, then I want the Law of Causality to continue to do what it always does. I don't want it to make any exceptions on our account.

MyOpine

Check your email. Look for St. Denis (last name).

Thanks.

Roy
"yeah but the establishment isn't who elected obama. the establishment president was the guy before remember?"


Ewww, you are a bad, bad boy. I know what you have been smoking because you have to be stoned out your f*cking mind to believe that GWB was the establishment president. Gore was part of the establishment. And, Lurch was part of the establishment. Bush was a COWBOY. Remember, Roy? Unbelievable! You guys beat up Bush for year about being a cowboy and then, when he leaves office, revisionist history takes place.

Also, Roy, the reason that it could be so important is that mainstream journalists and well-known business people (Buffett & Welch) are starting to criticize Obama. If the din gets louder, the networks will chime in and that will drive public opinion. Don't forget that while Obama's approval ratings are high, the ratings for his policies and programs are lackluster, at best.

Cheers.

Uh roy !

Read what Fineman wrote !

The Establishment Fineman is defining is the three sided force of Manhatten Media,Inside The Beltway crowd and corporate America.

Now, go check where Obama's Bundlers,Donors,Supporters and Advocates came from.

Debra
Childish is so right. It describes a lot of Obama's behavior.

denise,tim
i know that some establishment figures like buffet supported obama. but to say he was the establishment candidate is ludicrous.

Thanks Ms. Saunders
Denise in my home state Louisiana is correct. GW Bush was not an "establishment" President. Mr. Gore, Kerry, Obama (post-Hillary), clearly are establishment. Massive Wall Street and monster media support defines "establishment".

Mr. Limbaugh is a brilliant man whom I rarely get to listen to. He is extremely well-read and has a grounded understanding of matters economic and political as does no one else. He is hugely entertaining and blustery. Obviously a hugely incapable Whitehouse brimming with Cuban....errr socialists is afraid of him. I pray that as long as this is a free country we continue to have Mr. Limbaugh and competent successors. Let 'em shake those socialist bones in Washington, D. C.!
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