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Tuesday, January 13, 2009
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
From Jack Bauer to Leon Panetta
by Debra J. Saunders
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Sunday's New York Times ran two columns that advocated for investigations into America's use of coercive interrogation techniques -- known to editorial writers as "torture" -- of enemy combatants, as well as one that opposed a show trial. Also Sunday, television's "24" uber-agent Jack Bauer stood before a U.S. Senate subcommittee investigating intelligence abuses and gave a bombastic Senate inquisitor what-for: "Please do not sit there with that smug look on your face and expect me to regret the decisions that I have made, because, sir, the truth is, I don't.''

Asked if he had tortured a suspect, the Kiefer Sutherland character Bauer answered, "According to the Geneva Convention, yes, I did." Actually, according to any standard, Bauer tortured people. He shot and killed suspects, choked his brother and shot a suspect's wife in the leg.

The interrogation methods cited in the New York Times exist in a different universe. Yes, the techniques, which some Bush administration critics want to prosecute, were harsh. But there is strong reason to not call them torture. Grabbing, shaking, open-hand slapping, sleep deprivation, exposure to cold and even the simulated-drowning technique called waterboarding do not scar. They're not the sort of brutal punishment meted out by Saddam Hussein.

To the contrary, CIA agents have subjected themselves to waterboarding. "It wasn't viewed as ipso facto torture," a former CIA official told me, "because we don't torture our own people."

The harshest methods were not used routinely. The military never authorized harsh techniques, while the CIA used waterboarding -- according to CIA Director Michael Hayden and news reports -- not widely, but on three high-profile detainees.

Former CIA operative John Kiriakou told ABC's Brian Ross that the waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah "disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks." That's a lot of lives. Operatives didn't act on impulse, a la Jack Bauer. Kiriakou explained that agents had to ask the deputy director for operations before using any coercive technique.

Democrats in Congress -- and a handful of Republicans -- have had a fun time trashing the Bush administration for authorizing waterboarding. Senators tried to strong-arm now-Attorney General Michael Mukasey to classify waterboarding as torture during his confirmation hearings, and failed -- perhaps because, at the time, despite the rhetoric, Congress itself had failed to ban the practice. Continued...

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Against waterboarding
How do you propose to gain information, I cited Lt Col Allen West and he was punished for saving the lives of his troops. In a timely manner how do you get intel? Coffee, doughnuts and eight hours sleep, that will show them,that may be too rough, scratch the coffe and make it tea.

The Hard Truth

Torturing people has HURT our war effort tremendously! The Nazis thought they were winning because of their extensive use of torture. When D-Day arrived, everything unraveled, the French, and other resistance forces where as determined as ever to wipe out Nazism. The French used torture a lot in Vietnam... History is littered with stories of the losers who use torture. Our servicemen who were in charge of interrogation during WW II, are appalled that we would adapt methods used by evil regimes.
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