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Sunday, August 17, 2008
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
Pimps, Pedophiles: Welcome to S.F.
by Debra J. Saunders
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A quick reading of the measure that will go before San Francisco voters in November to decriminalize prostitution easily could leave you with the misimpression that the measure is an exercise in fairness that demands that prosecutors go after men who abuse prostitutes and implement policies "to reduce institutional violence and discrimination against prostitutes." A careful reading of the initiative, "Enforcement of Laws Related to Prostitution and Sex Workers," however, shows a measure that shields child prostitution and traffickers of human beings.

"If I had just heard from the proponents, I would probably vote for it myself," said the Rev. Glenda Hope, whose San Francisco Network Ministries helped found the Tenderloin AIDS Resource, in the mistaken belief the measure is meant "to protect women." But as the executive director of SafeHouse, a residential center that helps women get off the streets, Hope knows too much.

Hope knows that the average age of entry into prostitution is 12 to 14. The office of San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris, who opposes the initiative, has encountered prostituted children as young as 9 years old.

Yet the San Francisco ballot measure completely ignores the prostitution of children. The measure simply states, "Law enforcement agencies shall not allocate any resources for the investigation and prosecution of prostitutes for prostitution." Astonishingly, there's no exemption that encourages police to enforce the law for minors.

If the measure passes, the city is likely to become an international haven for pimps who peddle girls and boys, and perverts seeking sex with minors.

And where does that leave Bay Area youth? "They want new and young," Jasmine, a former teen prostitute from Oakland who now volunteers for the nonprofit SAGE Project, which fights sexual exploitation, explained to me.

The life, which she entered at age 14, was "like a drug." She felt wanted. She brought in $4,000 to $5,000 a week. Sure, she knew girls who were selling themselves against their will. But she could buy things. "I was supposedly involved in a relationship" -- one that ended when police prosecuted her pimp.

The other big problem: The measure prohibits city law enforcement from applying for grants to prosecute human traffickers. That's right, this measure gives a free pass to the human sex-slave trade -- in a city that is a central stop for international sex-trade rings.

A proponent of the measure told Fox News that she believes that it will pass with 75 percent of the vote because the city is "sex-positive."

The SAGE Project's Allen Wilson fears that the measure may prevail because the city has no shortage of rootless residents who "will vote for this because they think it's cool." For them, San Francisco is "one big sandbox."

Let me be clear. I don't want city cops wasting their time prosecuting workers at the discreet bordello that hires healthy adult prostitutes who get regular medical checkups. I would rather see law enforcement focus on serious crimes.

But there is nothing broad-minded about looking the other way when 14-year-old girls and boys sell themselves on the street and massage parlors are staffed by women who are being held against their will. These are not consenting adults.

The measure takes a tone that suggests it will protect women by demanding that San Francisco law enforcement prosecute "coercion, extortion, battery, rape and violent crimes, regardless of the victim's status as a sex worker."

Of course, state law already requires that. More to the point, battery, rape, assault and even murder are crimes that befall prostitutes because they work in an inherently dangerous field bankrolled largely by men who like to demean women and girls.

Violence and pain are the inevitable outcome for those steeped in this dehumanizing way of life. Young women wooed into the life quickly age to the point where they cannot net the high-incomes their pimps demand. They become addicted to drugs. They learn to commit new crimes. Until the day they find they are disposable.

Or as Wilson noted, "We treat animals better."

So do not tell Jasmine that if San Francisco decriminalizes prostitution, it will do so because the city cares about prostitutes. This measure really is a gift, not so much to so-called sex workers, as to pimps, pedophiles and human traffickers. As Jasmine sees it, if the ballot initiative passes, "That's basically saying the city does not care."

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Wow
Once again California leads the way, and SF leads California. Our culture no longer protects its young women as they grow up. It sounds like its time for daddies with shotguns to deal with the pimps who prostitute their daughters. The saddest thing is that in most of these cases, the girls have no relationship with their father. The relationship is likely to be sex with their mother's boyfriend.

Pistol
You said it !

Sophie, any comments?

money talks
all i know is money talks, so if SF passes this, i won't support SF businesses. If enough people do that, businesses will put pressure on the city.

is that realistic though? i hope so...

San Francisco Values
I hope Speaker Pelosi is rightly "proud" of her constituents "open mindedness".
Any wonder that SFO sits on the San Andreas fault?
"Earthshaking" might not be only figurative for what is happening there.
If it were a stock, I would be selling.

Families as a Whole
That is why it is so important to have whole families with a father and Mother together. Role Models for our children to build thier lives around. They may not like the discipline or the rules, but they see the structure and know that they have options.
I live in fear of the future, and what humanoid animal may get his slimey hooks on my children's flesh or into thier minds...

the new morality
This is a good step for SF, as it fits the progressive agenda. Take away rights that protect life and property, as guns,and the right to defend property, and pass regulations that allow the destruction of the family and the old christian, puritan values that do not apply to an evolving culture anymore.

There will be no discrimation,except if you are a citizen and a propertyt tax payer,then you must pay taxes even if the money is used in a way that is morally repugnant to you, and you must obey the anti-smoking and other odd ordinances of the city, but must not criticise the bath houses because that type of transmission of disease is sacred. Also not allowing the reading of the scripture in schools, unless you are a muslim, which is different, and your child will be required to take the drugs the school deems necessary, and believe as the school wants you to believe on all subjects, and if you do not you will be treated an outcast or deficient in some way.

This is nothing new in Frisco.

40 years ago I spent a couple of nights a month in Frisco, and often I ate at the restaurant, Lefty O’Doul, right across from the St. Francis.

One night as I walked down the street past the Hotel, I walked near the curb, as I usually did, so I would not be bothered by the line of ladies along the hotel wall. Since there were so many of them this night, I walked that block again, closer to the Hotel, and I got 13 of the most unbelievable offers you could imagine.

They were of every age, a couple were pregnant, one said her pregnant friend was waiting at her home, to join “us.”

There had just been a new Mayor or Police Chief who said they were not going to pay attention to the street ladies, so every bus that came to town, was filled with new “residents.” The streets became more crowded, but Frisco didn’t care.

One lady told me that during the day she “sold” her fingers to a boss that wanted her to type, and at night she “sold” other parts of her body for much more money. But what’s the difference, she was selling parts of her body, day and night.

All I would have had to do, was walk another direction a few blocks and I would find the same number of males (not men) lining the street offering much the same.

By the way, one night I bought a sandwich for a nice looking young lady who said she was very hungry, but that’s all it ever cost me, and I never took the offered freebees. NEVER.


I once heard a man say...
Once, probaby 30 or 35 years ago, I was
attending a church fireside. The speaker made the comment "If God doesn't destroy San Francisco, He might just have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah."

The next day there was an earthquake in California (where I was living at the time). All of us who had heard the quote chuckled. It obviously wasn't SF, but...

I wonder where the California legislature, and governor "Arnold" are on this one. Decent people in that state should demand enforcement of STATE laws by SFPD - and they should support the attempt to overturn the California Supreme Court decision on marriage... If California fails to protect human decency and values, all bets are off for the survival of society in that state - starting with the bay area.

re: the "life"
I have been in DC 18 years. When I first came here, it was when Marion Barry had just been busted (the first time). Well, they just went after the johns, and guess what: it worked! So, like illegal aliens, you go after the supply line. Bust those who hire illegal aliens!

Free Sex In America vs. Prostitution
Sex - Sex - Sex - Sex is all we hear about on radio, television, buying a car - buying a pair of shoes - a house - whatever! The radio says - "Are you ready?" The TV says, "Does it work?" Good, grief, the schools are promoting it on campus and in elementary schools - the politicians are in the news for child molesting or adultery and celebrities are caught with prostitutes who become talk show hosts, thereafter. Why is anyone paying for prostitutes when marriage and morality are out the door and according to the television and radio programs - it's what everyone is doing everywhere with everyone - 24/7 - 365 days per year - and it's the #1 priority in America in Washington D.C., the schools across the nation; abortion clinics are everywhere and abortion doctors are making millions - young girls are flaunting it all on TV and doing unbelievable acts on TV so the producers of those sex shows can get rich - and on and on and on - so why bother legalizing prostitution - when it appears that that's all Americans are doing and obsessed with - Oh, forgot video games - just turn on the tv, radio or open a magazine - or watch a commercial - view an ad - or go to a movie - or read the bottom on a pair of women's jeans - am I wrong? The point is moot!

Give Them What They Want!
If it were in my power, I would also legalize in San Francisco: murder, rape, honor killings, slavery and every conceivable form of horror and human degradation. I would turn the city into a free-fire zone, open to anything their crazed minds could conjure up. Bring it on I say!

San Fransissy'o is Dems Model City
Obamamaniacs don't care if Obama is for infanticide, because this is the Democrat Party voting base. San Fransissy'o is their model city.

Perverts and reprobates of every stripe are what make up the rag-tag base of Obamamaniacs, and more importantly, the Democrat Party itself.

Nancy Pelosi's dream is that San Fransissy'o become the model of American society [a place where homsexuals and illegal aliens are more welcome than United States Marines].

She is not the only one. Her's and Obama's views on America are representative of their core constituency.

This is the "Change" they have been "Hope"ing for.

Their seeing his lack of concern or conscience about leaving babies to die, gives them all-the-more confidence that he will support their own individual brands of moral terpitude.

The very things we are appalled at, are the very things that attract the "special interests" groups that support such a candicacy. Abortion-on-demand, man-to-man marriage, homosexual adoption [influence] over children...etc.

That Obama supports even infanticide [in the name of a woman's choice] assures all other perversions [under his & his Party's administration] will be as likely to be even more than merely permissable; they will be officially condoned.

Don't expect liberals to care about innocent babies being left to die in hospital storerooms. To them it is an acceptable sacrifice to make if their own selfish perversions can be, likewise, allowed. This is the kind of society so-called "progressives" want to make of America.

Obama is their champion and their best shot at having it.

Ho Hum
San Francisco crawls further into a cesspool of corruption. As a headline, that's right up there with "the sun came up yesterday".

Since many of SF's laws violate state and federal law, when are state and federal authorities going to enforce those laws? After all, the Feds could bring the city to a halt by just cutting off Federal funds for the "sanctuary city" nonsense, not to mention prosecution of city officials for violating Federal law. Likewise, why do sane people still go to SF for either business or pleasure?

SF is Disgusting
Assemblyman Leno, back in 2006, told Christians that they weren't welcome in the city. But like someone else pointed out, illegal aliens, illegal alien criminals and sex abusers are. What does this say about the value system in SF? I ask any self-proclaimed liberal or progressive this question.

The city will say, with a straight face, that they epitomize tolerance. But as with most on the far-left end of the ideological spectrum, tolerance in SF goes only one way -- and it's away from the Christians. The city seems to be slowly adopting the moral compass of God's enemy. I have prayed for the repentance of that city. God's very patient and is slow to anger. He's in no hurry to hurt the people there. But the people do need to repent, because it's slowly becoming a tumor in the body of American society.

I left My XXX in San Francisco
How can a city pass laws that violate State law? Where is Sacramento in this debacle? Oh, that’s right, they are controlled by the Lames as well.

In any case, I would like to see prostitution decriminalized AND regulated. If the city really wished to make this situation better they would allow prostitution in houses away from the streets and have regulations such as a minimum age and required health screenings.

Instead we get “just don’t enforce the law”. Oh well, its just San Fran, the city by the sea. Stupid tourists will now leave more there than their heart.

The land of fruitcakes and whine....
Disgusting is the level of moral lack-ti-tude in San+Fran=sanctuary4Cisco.

Every time I think they can sink no lower they throw another ingredient into the fruitcake.
Well, no one I know likes fruit cake, especially served with whine which is all you hear from that neck of the woods anyway.


The influence of their "progressionism" is taking a fatal toll on the moral standards in America.
Look at the fruits and whiners coming out of there
NAZI-Pelosi, oops, I mean, PLOT-SKI..(I'm saving the earth,and, destroying real Americans, one at a time)

My solution...pave the whales and build HUGE fence around that cancer...
Put PLOT-SKI in charge there as a social experiment and see how long that "civilization" survives.
At least the rest of the nation would have a fighting chance to be cancer free,and it would protect our families and kids.



SF is on the eve of destruction
San Francisco is a terminal city and will soon be destroyed by a purifying earthquake!

oncealwaysamarine
once again you hit the nail right on the head. bravo..
i am very glad i went to san francisco in 2004 to see the sights. after becoming educated about that city in recent years i would never return and spend a penny of my hard earned money there. i certainly would not take any member of my family there and would discourage a visit there by any adult member of my family. san francisco is a beautiful city. to bad it is also such a place of total corruption. if they want all Christians to stay away, then maybe we should all oblige. i wonder if they can survive on the tourist money of strictly non Christians. maybe a fence, a good high fence is a good idea. put miss nancy and mr ovomit inside the fence to rule their little kingdom and see what happens

Welcome to Pelosi's SF
San Francisco, a Sanctuary City for Criminals, Perverts, and Child Molesters

The Democrats and Speaker Pelosi, a Catholic, must have had a hand in the Legislations lanquage that protects Criminals, and the Mayor of San Francisco

Since Madam Pelosi has investments in Wind farms, I wonder if she has investments in Massage Parlors
and Bordello's

California's Burning...
They say the road to hell is paved with Pelosi's intentions...
Well....
California's burning!

Sponsored by up-right moral Americans!

Fortunately, the human morass..........
that is San Francisco will never spread further than its borders unless the liberal RNC is successful in forcing Mc Cain to accept an LGBT attorney as his running mate for the 2008 POTUS. I'm not really sure, though, will we have an LGBT attorney as VP because the RNC was successful at convincing Mc Cain or because
Mc Cain "hates" straight people? Either way, the various problems regarding the demise of the culture do not rest with San Francisco or Hollywood which is merely symptomatic of the fraud perpetuated against the American citizenry, but with the APA and the ABA since the revision of the ALIMPC in 1955 based on the fraudulent and fallacious works of Alfred Kinsey and subsequently, Evelyn Hooker.

Not innocently done
I do not believe this bill was constructed innocently. This is just the benefit pedophiles and pimps have been watering at the mouth for since all the drug mules and dealers that use children get away with. And I know because I worked with these kids and they were used, even by their own parents, because the law wouldn't prosecute them. It made the matter worse and EVERYONE knows it. Those disgusting people in SanFranFreako actually WANT more underaged sex slaves. Believe it. Depravity of that sort always begets further depravity. I see no end (save "the Big Earthqauke") to the moral depravity in SanFran.

Where are the trolls
Now that the Ds are in charge, and far left enclaves have been emboldened and enabled, there seem to be some results so putrid no trolls show up to defend them. I have seen some passionate Obama supporters here, but not a one to defend his support for killing a live child that survives an attempted abortion. Partial birth abortion doesn't seem to have many supporters even here where people can shelter behind a nickname. Now comes a law which will undoubtedly make it more difficult to deal with child prostitution, which is a whole 'nother thing than consenting adults. A person who makes money from putting a 12 year old on the street is a child molester of the worst sort. They should be behind bars. Or better, as i said in reply #1, dealt with by the girl's family. Remember the father in The Godfather, who asked Corleone to avenge the rape of his daughter when the law failed? Perhaps here is a business opportunity for some entrepreneur. Revenge for hire. Or maybe not. Ornganized crime does not have a reputation for tolerance towards those muscling in on their business.

Pistol: The trolls are on Giles' thread.
Good morning! :-)

Pistol, bring in the mob..lol
Good morning,
the mob wouldn't put up with that stuff..too bad they're in Jersey and other such places
BTW..
Daddy's aren't the only ones with shotguns
This pistol packin' mama's dad lives outside San+Fran=sanctuary4cisco and told him
MY daughter won't be visiting SF., I'll meet you in a more sane place like... Oklahoma,
where kids are valued and momma can pack heat to make sure they're protected.



Anne, Vic
Good morning to you. And to the other posters with whom i am less acquainted. I don't know whether to go to Giles or not. Its like picking at a scab. You know you shouldn't do it, but do it anyway. The story of my life, here i go.

edna
Good morning to you. A few years ago i had a T-shirt made up with a smoking Colt on the front and the motto God created man and woman, but Sam'l Colt made them equal. Most of the women in my family are excellent shots. They learn so fast and so well, to the disgust of their male counterparts. Last Memorial day my Cousin's 13 year old grand daughter went from "help me hold this air rifle" to banging away with my .308 L1A1 in an afternoon on the old farm. Her grandfather taught me firearms safety. I remember reading about a woman who shot and killed a child molester in court. The papers referred to her as "Nice shooting Nellie". She was eventually charged with a firearms violation and served 6 months, if i remember correctly.

Pistol
Good Morning. I usually avoid Giles when he is on a religious topic. Arguing politics is bad enough without throwing in religion as well.

Legal
Prostitution is already legal in the red state of Nevada. Am I wrong?

Pistol
Well I went to the Giles column and it wasn't about religion. LOL

wrightwrong
Only in certain counties.

Not unlike
SF then? Only in a specific Ca. municipality.
Where the citizens VOTED for it.

Scotty
Pistol, you better be careful, you shoot a pervert you could get the death penalty BUT if a pervert shoots you they will put a statue up honoring him as a hero. As for the mayor he will be the next GOD in san fran and pelosi will be his disciple.

Sick
Democrat haven San Francisco, the pride and bastion of Grandma Nancy Pelosi.

wrightsrong52
"Prostitution is already legal in the red state of Nevada. Am I wrong?"

I believe that you are wrong. It seems that taking that particular step in legalizing "the oldest profession" is one step too many except for people like Pelosi.

On the darkest illegal side, there seem to be many organizations who do kidnap and prostitute children and get away with it. The most publicized case being that of Madelaine McCain, the child who was kidnapped in Portugal.

wrightsrong
NO, it is NOT legal in SF. What they are trying to do is just tell the cops not to enforce the law.

Nevada law allows counties to decide much the same as GA allows counties to decide liquor laws.

Pistol...
I want one of those shirts!
I was just trying to provide some levity to this thread..it's obsurd that we're focusing our attention on their moral depravity that they treasure...Lock it up and toss the key.

Though it is true, I'm meeting my dad in Oklahoma instead of SF for Thanksgiving..
The first prayer though might be ...being thankful we're not in SF.

Vic
Thanks.
but the citizens will get to vote on it.

They are MEMBERS
of the liberal party! Commies, q*eers, perverts, ACLU members, racists, terrorists, anti-Americans, and trial lawyers, all crammed into one party. The Dhimmicratic Party.

CHECK OUT THE ANTI-LIBERAL ZONE TODAY!

One essay up (The Poltroonery of the Left) and another on OUR HEROES and the LIBTURD's heroes.

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/


San Francisco is "one big sandbox."
For the ferril cats of S.F. to take a collective dump.

What is GREAT about SF?
That the policies of Red Nanny Pee-Lousy, Bonehead Boxer, and Gun Grabber Feinstein has allowed the city to become a haven for bums and other dregs of society.

Ya REALLY gotta love it when liberals get screwed over and over as they make the same dumb mistakes, over and over.

Pistol
Great post at 1213AM.

Sophie would think that is NORMAL behavoir.

edna, ex-wyomingite, GunnyG
Gunnyg, i saw your nick and came over to say hi, and found a slew to answer. Nice to see you back.
edna, the T-shirts were made for me at a sports shop that specialized in making uniforms for like softball teams. I just took in a big picture of a .45 and they made up 20 shirts for about $10 each. I gave half of them to neices and cousins and sold the rest for $20 each in an hour at Daytona bike week.
ex-Wyoming
Didn't mean to trash any decent people anywhere, and even SF has some. One thing we do here in FL, despite Dade and Broward counties, is usually vote ffor the candidate to the right. That will be difficult this year because neither Rs nor Ds has one.

ExWyomingite
I know there are some fine people in CA.
I feel sorry for you and offer condolences.

However radical liberalism is affecting all the US and because California has so many electorial votes on a whole the "outsiders" have to interject their opinions.

My once normal dad has caught this liberal disease from his CA. born and bred wife and I blame her mostly..though not totally, for my extreme dislike for the un-moral aspect of CA.
Yourself not included.

Nancy Pelosi (D-Sodom & Gomorrah)
Hey, cut the city elders of San Francisco some slack already! They were having to compete with Bangkok for tourists of, um, particular tastes, and, having to labor under our draconian moral strictures, they've been losing. But now, you won't have to suffer through a 48-hour round trip in a cramped jet, sitting next to someone who is no better than you are. You can get it all in the City by the Bay!

Meanwhile, in Washington DC, the Democrats in the House of Representatives see fit to hand the Speaker's gavel to Nancy Pelosi (D-Sodom & Gomorrah), a woman who doesn't much care whom she's photographed with nor whom she shares honors with in those flamboyant parades they're so famous for, so long as it keeps her well-tailored self in a seat of power.

Couple this with Nancy's personally profiting at your expense by keeping America's energy resources where Americans can't touch them (but the Chinese and the Russians can), and her standing again for the leadership should be met with howls of derisive laughter.


And they said the homosexual lifestyle
is...normal, even healthy.

Noooo, acceptance of homosexuality as normal human behavior won't lead inexorably to acceptance of pedophilia... of course not, anyone who says differently is a bigoted conservative.

Do you think for one moment that the twinks who frolic in the parks of the Castro district are going to vote against this measure? HA

There are some lifestyles, cultures, beliefs which simply cannot coexist harmoniously.

It is for this very reason that I think the best way to save the United States is to destroy the federal government, and return to the Articles of Confederation.

That way, I am free to express my disagreement/disgust with the lifestyles of the "alternate lifestyle" crowd. But, as a Tennessean, I am not forced to bear the financial responsibility for the consequences of the lifestyle choices made by Pelosi's constituents.

Nine-percent Nancy
And another thing, about the 9% of us who still think Congress is doing a great job while Nancy is calling the shots.

Is one in every eleven of us insane? Who are these idiots who like what they see? What's wrong with them?


Right on Ex Wyo
As another ex-Wyomingite lost here in California you're so right about two Californias. Living in the far reaches of suburban LA it is hard to believe that SF, LA, Hollywood etc are on the same planet let alone in the same state.

While the GOP and McCain have given up on California it is possible that with a 70% majority outside LA, SF, Sacramento and the Bradley factor California just might be in play in Nov. Most of my diehard Dem friends will be voting McCain in Nov. While BO tries to run against McCain-Bush, McCain should run against Obama-Pelosi-Reid.

BTW: If you will not vote for BO based on his 20+ year membership in what you consider a hateful, racist church it does not make you a racist just someone who cannot tolerate black or white racism.


Criminal government
--
All purposeful human activity falls subject to government.

Whether that government is "legitimate" - openly chartered, with elected and appointed officials acting according to statute law and enabling regulations - or not, there will be government.

Look at examples in the "Wild West," where completely illegal towns like Deadwood (South Dakota) "grew" their own governments because they recognized the need for community institutions to secure surety and safety for the owners of brothels, saloons, and gambling halls.

When stupid "social" pseudoconservatives r'ar back and pass their many and colorful brain-dead laws criminalizing the purposeful consentual conduct of their neighbors, they explicitly drive those activities *OUT* from under the protections of civil government, forcing the now-criminalized actors to create their own substitutes for government.

Thus we get "organized crime."

Government improvised by criminals, commonly covert, often directly (and violently) opposed to "lawful" civil government, and *ALWAYS* a corrupting influence upon the officers of that so-called legitimate government.

Unlike the situation in Deadwood, this criminal organization never has the ability to grow the characteristics of a lawful government - which it *would* do, if there were any real sanity allowed to exist in the society it serves.

But, of course, "social" pseudoconservatives are not sane.

Which is why this whole problem arises in the first place.

Criminalizing prostitution - "the sex trade" - is insane.

It merely throws prostitutes and their clients into the hands of the most violent and ruthless criminals, depriving these people of the benefits of law.

But that doesn't bother "social" pseudoconservatives at all, does it?

--

for Judith
In Nevada, brothels are legal, but only in towns with a population below 400,000, if those counties so choose. In practice, brothels exist only outside the major cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

Streetwalkers and call girls are illegal anywhere in Nevada.

san fran, lib bastion and degenerate hav
But what san fran is only enacting what the fems advocate. Taking charge of your sexual lives is an expression of your self esteem to this twisted people who fail to understand the destroyed lives that result from the lifestyle.

The idea that little girls are capable of making choices that tragically result in destroyed lives fails to pass understanding in a city that already champions perversion as a way of life.

But just as gambling calls the industry gaming, those profiting from exploiting young girls calls them workers as if that somehow negates the destructive lifestyle.

When society fails to protect it's vulnerable youth it shows a emptiness and a void tyhat betrays themselves as human.

Instead of glorifying such a destructive existence the city should be finding ways to help turn these victims from such a life. But rather than be a beacon of hope, san fran seems to be turning itself into a cesspool of total depravity.

But where are these dims and their alleged concern for those vulnerable they always say they are speaking for. Giving into to the most base of human activity is a very sad commentary.

And still the left tells america they should be trusted with the responsibility of running this country


Child prostitution
I would assume that even after this law goes into effect, child prostitutes are still protected by the laws against statutory rape, yes?

In fact, historically the reason the legal "age of consent" is set at age 15 or 16 is to discourage child prostitution. In colonial America in the early 19th century, before such laws, child prostitutes as young as 12 years old could be found plying their trade in many New England cities.

how many housewives within a 10 mile

I have traveled extensively, including business meetings in cities in 35 states, and private travel in 29 countries in Europe, and much more. I don’t remember even one city where ladies of the street could not be found. Have you ever been visiting in a hotel when a professional sports team of any sport arrived?

Forty years ago when I had to visit Vegas on a weekend, on business, the airplane from Burbank was loaded with housewives and secretaries on their way to earn a little spending money.

My opinion on prostitution is the same as on most any other activity that anyone can participate in, just make sure it is only volunteers, on both sides of the bed, or team, or whatever.

And by the way, at any one point in time there must be at least a million ladies, of all ages, who are available for purchase or rent for a few minutes, in the USA. Hundreds of thousands join that parade each years, and other hundreds of thousands stop. Now what do you suppose happens to them after a few years, when they may or must change professions.

Now think again, how many housewives within a 10 mile circle of where you live, were at one time prostitutes? You don’t see or hear of hundreds or thousands of ladies suddenly dying, or just appearing out of nowhere.

Most, or at lest many of those ladies continue life as a normal wife and neighbor.

Now here again, this is information from an expert with absolutely no experience.


It will serve them right
if this passes.

When the rich folk of SF have their neighborhoods turn into sewers maybe they will wake up.

But it is a beautiful city

I have spent hundreds of nights in Frisco on business, and vacation visits, but I have never lived there. It is a beautiful city, and believe it, there are many thousands of very nice people, and not all the goons and loopies in this country live there, look around your home town.

At one time it was my job to entertain visiting customers. I arranged a meeting, to impress a bunch of school administrators from the Kentucky and Tennessee, with a visit to computer installations in San Francisco.

I was driving on a freeway in late afternoon, the lanes were filled to capacity, but since we were moving 20 miles per hour, I considered us lucky. For those of you who haven't visited San Francisco, be assured that it is indeed a beautiful city, in a beautiful natural setting.

In some parts of the city, block after block of white row-houses, rise and fall over the never-ending hills. Many places there are few trees, so the result is sometimes almost bleak and monotonous, but usually more than a little exhilarating.

Sometimes the rows of houses look like giant centipedes are eating San Francisco.

But whatever, it is rightfully world-famous for its beautiful city-scape, situated in the midst of phenomenal natural beauty. This was the scene that makes San Francisco famous, and that is why Tony Bennett “… left my heart in San Francisco …, etc.”

As I drove on the crowded freeway, pointing out the sights, the row-houses climbing hill after hill, exclaiming over the rolling hill beauty of San Francisco, I noticed one of my Heros was crying. I thought this may be exotic and inspiring, but is it that overwhelming?

Then came his comment, “Just think, these poor people have to live in these crowded conditions!”


charles martel
in another poll, it indicated that 40% of those polled still think the repubs control congress. That seems to indicate that the public truly doesn't understand the total disaster the red nazi truly is.

But those observing congress is action fully realizes the total disaster pelousy truly is. She fully understands both power and punishing any dim that would think of crossing her and also rewqarding her most fervent bootlickers

But as leader she remains an abysmal failure. I guess the onlky questioin remains who is truly the least gifted as a leader, is is the red nazi or the hapless land deal reid

Dave2
Great. One of the saddest things about the direction our culture is taking is that more and more young girls are being placed in situations where it is so tempting and easy to make tragic, even life destroying mistakes. Its a wonder any of them make it at all, let alone the ones with a stable loving relationship with 2 parents at home. The 12 year olds who wind up on the street don't get there based on an over-night decision, and many are seduced into sexual exploitation by charismatic sociopaths who make a business of it. And this is called a victimless crime?

Nothing shocking here
Since when do liberals care about people anyway?

Lived near by, glad we are cross country
"What happens in San Francisco though is a special case. It is its own city and county, has only 744,000 of the state's 35,000,000 population and gets more press than Brittany's crotchless panties. Most of the state hates the place with a passion and wishes it would break off and head into the Marianas Trench where it is going anyway."

How so true!! Last time I went, it was with Son, and we did the Alcatraz trip. We skirted the city and left early. The place is NOT the city I visited back in 1987.

funny that the Islamic terrorists have the city as a target, I would almost wish that they did set "one" off there, except that too many decent men and women are the "first responders" and would be killed as well.

In colonial times....
Ut-oh, here is where history gets ugly...

Ben Franklin one of America's favorite Founders had a penchant for "low women" he admits this freely in his autobiography and had many encounters with them hence producing his son William which he and his wife took in.
Not to diminish old Ben but he also admitted it was a miracle he didn't get a social disease.

Women of marrying age were children 12+ years old able to procreate..
Ut-OH, the gays are going to balk they can't do this without a petri-dish ...
Our borders were being actively defended ..
Ut-no no illegals
No fuel price fixing/gun grabbing/ammo shorting saboteurs
Ut-oh that would be considered treasonous and they'd be hung

Well, maybe Ben Had his low women
but He didn't have the farce of liberal progressionist politicians
Maybe it wasn't so ugly after all.

ex-Wyomingite
Are sh#####g me? You really think there is a chance Ca will go red? What a shocker that would be. The only thing that would make it perfect is if Obama had a small lead up until CA votes were counted and Dan Rather was on the air and had to tell everyone Ca gave it to McCain. I don't particularly want McCain to win, but that scenario would make it palatable.

Soddom and Gomora redo
If only San Francisco would fall into the ocean. S F is already a den of filth with the gays running the city. Now decriminalizing prostitution will be the icing on the cake. Homosexual prostitutes will flourish with this new law and the AIDS virus will become uncontrollable. The federal government needs to step in to take control of this ridiculous situation.

ex-Wyomingite/JAG CA
Okay I gotta ask as a direct descendant of the original founders of Wyoming....

What in the heck are you doing here?

Wyoming is beautiful!!!!

It must be due to your careers, that has got to be it.

IDIOTS and more about Pros
QUOTE: "Is one in every eleven of us insane? Who are these idiots who like what they see? What's wrong with them?"

Just go back and re-read your comment here. I think you'll find the answer you're looking for. If not - check the headline.

SF is a monument to the excesses of liberal thinking. Anything goes. Nobody mentioned their yearly parade of degenerates - open oral sex on the street between all flavors of sexuality - in front of families, children, and the "hands off" SF cops - many of who appear to be of a similar persuasion.

That's not the whole story. I'm a 25 year vet of one of the largest police departments in the country (not LA - that narrow it down some?) who has worked "public morals". I am of the opinion that prostitution SHOULD be legalized. Not streetwalkers - professional callgirls, monitored and registered, and being required to have monthly medical testing - similar to the county in Nevada that allows it. The problem with street prostitution is the element that comes with it - the pimps and druggies. Legalize it and the pimps are gone - there is no profit motive. The majority of crime connected with street prostitution comes from pimps and drug-addled street whores robbing johns for a quick fix.

jim
For a better and more scenic ride get on a bike and drive down US 1 from SF South to Carmel and back.

ex-Wyomingite
Actually I do have a heck of a lot of Native American blood, but I was referring to the white settlers.

However if you do not want to answer a friendly question...so be it. It says more about you than me.

Have a nice day.

child prostitution in Frisco.

At one time, I had to make business calls to a company located on the hills above Frisco City Hall. I then would drive to an office where I had computer programmers working, near city Hall.

The street I drove was one way, and more than once I found myself stopped at the left curb for a red light. Twice it happened to be a few minutes after the nearby Junior High day ended.

You can not imagine the offers and the pleads that I would receive from Jr. High students. No lady on the street ever offered such an adventure.

I learned never to drive that street again in the middle of he afternoon. Wonder what they were taught in that school.

This was 40 to 50 years ago, and as far as I know, they were not yet teaching how to put a condom on a cucumber. Not yet had Hollyweird and TV displayed their instruction shows, but they didn't need any more information on how to How To … … … .


ex-Wyomingite
Sorry! I jumped the gun but it didn't ever occur to me that you would need more than one shot.

I am even more truly sorry for the circumstances of how you ended up here. I was correct though in essence that it was career. You gotta do what you gotta do to make it in this world.

I applaud you for landing on your feet and over coming hardship. You are truly American and good solid person, and too bad there aren't more like you in California.

San Fran
welcomes pimps, prostitutes, and pedophiles, but does not welcome the US Military. Tells you a lot about the people there.

Red - Blue
Whatever happened to the effort to cast California's electoral votes based on legislative districts rather than an all or none system?
I thought I heard one legislator say that if votes were cast according to legislative districts, California may not be the "in the bag" blue state the large metropolitan cities make it appear to be.
In PA, Philly & Pittsburgh, plus Scranton I guess, make it appear the state is blue. But if electoral votes were cast according to legislative districts, PA would look very red indeed.
Seems the cities are making many states look either red or blue, but when one looks at the under-represented areas outside the cities, the reality is completely different.

Ex Wyomingite
I grew up in Worland, WY. Speaking of original settlers my grandfather got first marriage license issued in Washakie county and the clerk waived the fee for anyone foolish enough to marry in those perilous times. That is the story my granfather told but he was a world class kidder.

Vistied Wyo this summer. More snow on the Big Horns than I have ever seen. Rivers all running HIGH! Beautiful!

Also stuck here in CA since the late sixties and now have to many family ties to leave.

CHECK OUT
The Anti Liberal Zone (click on my name) for a video of some OBONGOIDS singing the praises of that empt suit community activist from Sh*tcago.

Lib are SOOOOOOOOO 60's!

bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

128,000,000 just like me


ex-Wyomingite Location: CA
Reply # 75
Date: Aug 17, 2008 - 2:17 PM EST
… … When I got to California back in the late 60s the place was filled with people like me.

=====

Just like when I was born, the population was 128,000,000 people just like me. But look at that 300,000,000 now, I don’t recognize most of them.

When I moved to CA in the mid ‘50s, I felt safe, my kids walked to school, went to movies by themselves, and the half-dozen TV stations could be watched by anyone at any age.

And I’m not the one who changed.


Lumberjack7392
SPOT ON at 204PM! Haha.

SF bans ROTC and the Marines but allows bums, winos, and assorted other liberals.

ex-Wyomingite/JAG CA
Seems to me that California has gotten some of the best of Wyoming!!!!! Can't you guys bring more out here to put some balance?

My family roots in are in Laramie by the family of the name of Hunswiecker (I forget what the modern spelling is) and their house is a National Monument now. Their youngest daughter, Sophie, is my great grandmother and the only one of seven children to leave Wyoming.

I still believe Wyoming is one of the prettiest states in the union but admittedly I haven't been to all 50....yet! Okay, okay, I also admit I am not very impartial either! LOL!

each and every special view is different

Lolo1 Location: CA
Reply # 81
Date: Aug 17, 2008 - 3:09 PM EST

I still believe Wyoming is one of the prettiest states in the union but admittedly I haven't been to all 50....yet!
====

Well Missy, I have visited 49 of the fifty, and 60 or 70 other countries and islands, and I will say that the drive over Big Horn Mountain, from Sheridan west, is as beautiful as can be.

That’s not to say it is a better view than a thousand others. It is not a matter of better or worse, but it is beautiful, and each and every special view is different from … … .


Time to RUMBLE
Let's hope that the Dummcrats convention turns into a full-blown riot.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12565.html

Gonna be fun to watch.

Cut
The U.S. should just cut off federal funds. Let them be their own Country. Let them see how liberal socialist doctrine works without the government propping it up.

Computerized Transcripts from Last Night
I have posted the entire computerized transcripts from the Saddlebrook Obama - McCain debate last night on my blog.

From the blog you can EMAIL yourself or others the transcripts - 3 parts for each candidate.

From the blog you can PRINT yourself or others the transcripts - 3 parts for each candidate.

To access these transcripts just click on my name on this post.

You may also access these transcripts at:
http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/

VT is almost ahead of CA.
Sadly, California isn't the only state working to make pedophiles' lives easier. Vermont's judges seem to think raping a two-year old is all the baby's fault. Obviously, it was wearing a sexy diaper! They work hard to give these beasts little or no jail time, because they can be rehabilitated. They just can't produce any evidence of the rehabilitation of even one. Literally, Vermont is getting the reputation of being the place to go if you're being hassled by the cops in another state.

Places I don't want to live - California and Vermont. I prefer at least a semblanceof sanity in my state!

OKAY IF
Such an ordanance would be within the confines of ethical conduct if it read something like this: "The City and County of San Francisco shall neither make nor enforce nor assist in the enforcement of any statute or regulation
forbidding the exchange of money for sex so long as the participants are of legal age and have not been coerced in any way."

The way they have written it? Saunders is right. It provides cover for rapists and kidnappers of all stripes. Is this done knowingly and deliberately? Go figure.

Prostitution in SF
Will not the State still be able to enforce the law?

SF mayor website
Here is a web site that describes what a lot of folks think about the man who should be killed Gavin Newsome
http://www.arrestgavinnewsom.com/#A
Now having said what I did about Newsome,
It is illegal and I will not do it.
Although If it were only a moral question.....
The site deals with the circumstances surrounding the murder of the Bologna (sp?) father and two sons by an illegal alien that Newsomes policies allowed him to be on the streets. Some folks are trying to get rid of the mayor.

ExWyo, jim, Longreach, lolo 1
Good to hear from all ex and current Wyomingites, THE EQUALITY STATE, where women have always had equal rights!

Ex-Wyomingite thanks for webcam for good ole downtown Worland. I just got back home and it is after 9 pm in Worland and I'll have to check it out tomorrow in daylight to get my bearings alittle better but it does look like Big Horn Ave!

Thanks again!

Longreachone: I went over the Big Horns through Shell Cyn in June with my cousin from Worland. She pointed out Black Mountain and told about the four summers she spent as a fire lookout on top of the Mt. It was a beautiful and informative trip. This was the second week in June with alot of snow still on top of the mtns. I'm afraid you're right Sheridan is becoming alot like Jackson Hole.

Heck there is now a ranch south of Ten Sleep not far from where I have two ranching cousins where some multi millionaire has built mega mansions, indoor arenas etc and named his spread Red Roblet (sp?) complete with an airstrip for private jets. The rich you will always have with you but they kinda change the flavor of a place!

YIKES!!!!!
I gotta tell my husband about this, we live north of Seattle. If Gay Francisco wants to vote itself the moral sewer of the Western world, with sex slave businesses abounding, no woman or boy on the West Coast is safe, in my estimation. Hello, Syracuse, New York!!!
Cindy

The bottom of the slippery slope
You remember in your logic and critical thinking classes how much would be made of the "slippery slope" falacy? Basically it means that it is logically falacious to state that if A happens, B (which is significantly worse) will inevitably happen.

You know, like when all those kooky Christians said that "If you protect homosexuality, protecting pedophilia is not far behind...ummm..."

Oh, wait, that wasn't a falacious statement at all, was it?

You see, this is what happens when you start calling perverse behavior "normal." You lower the standard by which "normal" is measured, thereby opening the door to even more perverse behavior. That which used to be marginal is now mainstream, and that which used to be the depths of evil is now merely marginalized. And it won't stop unless we make a positive effort to get out of the pit.

Debra
In Amsterdam and many other progressive places in the world "Prostitution" is legal or decriminalize.I go to Amsterdam every year to smoke good marijuana and have never had a prostitute in my life.San Francisco functions under the same code of laws as the rest of California.Within the California code, there is a body of laws known as "Crimes Against Nature".Within this body of laws is where all crimes regarding sex and minors are found.The penalties are harsh but appropriate.America is becoming "Irrelevant" in terms of modern life.Not because of it's conservatism but it's "Hypocrisy".Americans consume more illegal drugs today,than in 1967.Drugs are illegal here because of economics not morality.How very "Stupid"?Prostitution is the second oldest profession known to man.The first must be "Lying".

killer
so another moral reprobate opens his mouth to spew nonsense.

Anything that exploits others is not of sign of humanity. That a society sanctions exploitation of others does not make it progressive.

But it never ceases to amaze how the trolls always find things so bad with america and so wonderful elsewhere.

That europe has lost it's morality is nothing to celebrate. But europe's problem is not it's moral decline but it's surrendering it's nationalism to the barbarians from the m/e.

But still the trolls look to europe as some type of enlightened nirvana.

Dave2
Nationalism is what caused WWI and WWII.Don't you think it's time for somethings new,like intelligence and honesty?Ring when you're ready.Please...

Did you notice?

Oh how disappointing. Here I come up with what I think is a prefect line to describe Frisco and no one notices, or comments.

Have you ever heard this as a descriptor of Frisco before, and have you even noticed the same thing?
It does depend on the flight path of the plane you are on.


jim Location: CA
Reply # 56
Date: Aug 17, 2008 - 12:39 PM EST
Subject: But it is a beautiful city

Sometimes the rows of houses look like giant centipedes are eating San Francisco.

killer
when countries like russia can be trusted not to invade independent countries and when the barbarians from the m/e give up their fantasy to use whatever terrorist acts they need to implement worldwide sharia perhaps there will be a more peaceful world.

When the un finally does something to end the barbarism exhibited in darfur and zimbabwe perhaps those unfortunately people will also get to lead lives free from murderous dictators

And finally when countries like venezuela can remove an ego maniac who wants to destroy a democracy so he can be dictator for life there will also be thoughts of continued peace.

But if you are implying the messiah is the way to achieve this that is a running joke. B hussein can't stand up to the clintons who are not violent dictators. To think that the one will stand up to iran, russia or any other thug govt is a pathetic joke

History Repeats Itself
Anyone remember what happened in the 1906 Earthquake? The city was leveled and burned to a cinder. A tragedy on a monumental scale.

Since re-runs are so polular, we may witness Earthquake II coming soon. If state & national laws are flagrantly ignored, tragedy and sorrow may strike twice in the same place.

SF----our doors are open
I sell San Francisco; so this is very difficult to have to admit....we suck!
But if anyone wants to see this close up, give me a ring(what do expect from a shameless city?
Answer: Shameless plug!)
...www.hotelnikkosf.com x1131
My TH rate is in effect--liberals included, afterall, you would appreciate the "beauty"!
You have to see it with your own eyes...
Oh, and our tagline:
"we remind people of Europe"
Great!
Tanslation:We remind people of France!
Love/Hate, to be sure!!!!!

Dave2
First of all,I like President Chavez,we share the same birthday.Russia is doing no more in Georgia than what we did in Iraq.In point of fact,Russia has done less.Please try being "Honest" in your discourse.I know it is not one of the best attributes of American politicians but citizens don't have to lie,too.Do they? The future of the world depends on our ability to co-exist.War is not the solution, peace is!

Sounds more like something Russia does
In Russia and a number of eastern European countries, slavery is worse than almost anywhere else in the world. Girls and boys are bought and sold, tortured, raped, and murdered at will in the sex trade. No one cares or does anything about it. It isn't the prostitutes that are protected; it is their owners.

It sounds as if San Francisco wants to be the same way. Just think of the possible ads! "Own your own girl! Come to see us in good old San Francisco!"

The only time I saw Frisco
I was in the Army headed for Nam. (Three times) The first time I liked the city's looks since it was pretty. The second time we trashed a gay bar since they had beaten three soldiers nearly to death. The third time I stayed at the warehouse we were using in Oakland.

One thing always struck me as Frisco. Two friends returned from Vietnam after a year there. They walked downtown in their uniforms. Two girls across the street from them called and told them they were headed down to a junk yard to have some sex and asked them to come along. The boys, having not even seen a pretty woman in a year, headed across the street. Then the wind changed. After smelling the girls B.O., they changed their minds. And that took some stink!

But that has since been my impression of Frisco. A beautiful place that stinks if you get too close.

killer
alas you are a total fool. But then again it comes as no surprise that someone from the left praises various thugs and killers.

But don't worry there are plenty of brave americans defending your right to be a complete horse's anal pore.

Obviously you lack the mental acumen to discern problems in the worlds. Probably comes from you trips to the netherlands and spending your time in a drug induced haze.

Just remember
Not every traitor is a democRAT, but every democRAT is a traitor.

Shut It Down
I live in Oregon (sadly), but if there were any city with the deviant population that dwells in Frisco, CA, in Oregon, I would start a movement to have the state step in and take over that city. From banning military recruiters to sanctuary city to Gavan Newsome to "legalized" prostitution to every perversion from pedophilia to homosexuality, that city should be shut down, its inhabitants sent to Thailand, and the hills scrubbed down and disinfected. Hey Arnold, show some manhood, and send the Nat'l Guard in.

S.F. = San Franfreako
What do you expect from the city that would be happy to elect Caligula as mayor?

Taking the long term
view, and from the elevation of age and travel, its difficult for me to get too upset if SF wants to go where its headed. Its sad, but there is greater misery all over the planet. At least in SF, those nauseated, those wishing better conditions for their children to grow up in can pull up stakes and move. My biggest concern is that taxpayers pay to support the indulgences of big cities. Someone tell me if Ca is gaining or losing money from the feds. I don't mind if the fruits and nuts are paying their way out there. The worker bees are leaving in droves, from what i hear. Michigan, paced by Detroit, and its hero Kwame Kilpatrick, leads the way, as the 2 America's separate themselves geographically. Sad in a way, but interesting to watch. What bugs me is when the folks whose votes trash their own house, move out of the mess and begin it somewhere else. Think NYC/Boston and Vermont/NH.

This is job
security for Nancy Pelosi when she is finally run out of the House of Representatives. She can go back to her district and become the Madame of San Francisco. She will fit right in.

GEE WHAT A BIG SURPRISE.....
This is good 'ol gutter-momma Nancy Pelosi's
sandbox, and it's chock-full of doo-doo.
Leave it to that degenerate to allow some of the most dispicable behavior ever reported Earth
to happen as a regular occurance there. If she had it her way, the entire Country would be the cesspole she allows San Francisco to be, and it's no-doubt because rich gays pay her to look the other way. Most of last year's gay parade in that City COULD NOT BE SHOWN ON EVEN LATE-NITE TV BECAUSE THE RANDOM ACTS OF SODOMY WERE THE MOST RESPECTABLE PICTURES YOU COULD GET.
Policemen in that area were told to only intervene if someone was about to be murdered,
giving them a free-pass to show their disgusting
but true colors. Go out to San Francisco and take a good look at what these degenerates want to turn this entire Nation into. Take a barf bag with you.

S. F. Liberal Toilet
The sad thing is what goes on there, spreads eastward.
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