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Sunday, July 20, 2008
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Uncensored Jesse Jackson
by Debra J. Saunders
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Fox News host Bill O'Reilly has been known to show some fairly racy video clips of young women in various stages of undress. O'Reilly explains that while some viewers criticize him for showing salacious images as he denounces the decline of American culture, he has an obligation to show his audience the tawdry reality that prompted his righteous rant.

Not so when it came to Jesse Jackson, who was caught criticizing Barack Obama for "talking down to black people" on a hot microphone off air at Fox Studios on July 6. "The O'Reilly Factor" then aired some of Jackson's comments, but dubbed over a word when Jackson said, "I want to cut his n- off."

What was the deleted expletive? The Chronicle hasn't used the word either when reporting on the story, so here's a hint: On hearing the phrase, men have been known to squirm in their chairs, cross their legs, or at least put their arms forward defensively.

When the story broke, Jackson issued this statement: "For any harm or hurt that this hot mike private conversation may have caused, I apologize. My support for Sen. Obama's campaign is wide, deep and unequivocal."

Nice try, but the damage was done -- not to Obama, but Jackson himself, who came across as a petty man who let envy get the better of him. His biting of the lip and yanking of his right arm made it clear that Jackson had given serious thought to a certain surgical procedure.

I, too, have been known to bemoan the decline of our culture. Proofs abound. But if network news shows -- and Fox News was not alone here -- can hint broadly at what Christie Brinkley's estranged husband, Peter Cook, did online, if they can cut to photos of baseball players and strippers and repeatedly air footage of scantily clad starlets in their cups, surely they don't need to shield their delicate viewers from the word Jackson used in expressing his desire to pare another man's legumes.

I can only assume that male TV news biggies bleeped the word because they've finally found a part of the human anatomy about which they are highly sensitive.

And it's below the belt.

It turns out O'Reilly withheld half of the story. Someone on Fox News released a transcript that revealed Jackson used another n-word. Specifically, he complained about Obama "telling n- how to behave." And I can understand why networks might bleep this n-word. It is racist and vile.

So why did O'Reilly withhold mention of the more offensive n-word?

O'Reilly told viewers that Jackson had uttered other ugly words, but that he would not air them because they "did not advance the story in one way, shape or form."

Later he said, "I'm not in the business of hurting Jesse Jackson -- because it does hurt Jesse Jackson -- and I'm not in the business of creating some kind of controversy that's not relevant to the general subject: one civil rights leader disparaging another over policy. So we held it back. Some weasel leaked it to the Internet."

Some readers might consider Jackson's remarks off-limits as they represented pre-show chitchat not intended for public consumption. But Jackson is hardly the first public figure to get caught in this snare. He knew he had a microphone on his lapel, that people might hear him, and that what he was saying was in poor taste.

He simply could not help himself.

Granted, whether it should be or not, it is different when a black person, as opposed to a white person, uses the two-syllable n-word.

But when a civil rights leader disparages the very people whom he is supposed to champion -- that's news. And when the black person who uses the n-word word is a civil rights leader who challenged the entertainment industry not to use the word and called for a boycott of "Seinfeld" DVDs after one of the series' stars, Michael Richards, used the slur as a standup comic -- that's big news.

It is news that buries whatever credibility Jackson retained.

Which makes O'Reilly's decision not to broadcast the racist n-word incomprehensible. O'Reilly was giving a pass to Jackson -- something he would not do for an 18-year-old girl who posted a sexual photo on the Internet.

And for that, he should squirm in his seat.

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Yes!
Someone who says it. The media gave Jackson a pass. Any white person uttering that word would have been destroyed no matter who they are.

This guy has destoyed more people's lives over PC than any figure of the last century.

He should have been thrown out to the wolves of public opinion like he has done to so many others.

Thank you.

Anderson659
is right. Jackson should have been given the same consideration he has given to others in the past.....little or none.
As for O'Reilly, he tends to pander to the left on some issues in an effort to appear more balanced.
It is offensive when he does not give the true, whole story and is not different from the spin of the MSM.

Debra writes,
"Fox News host Bill O'Reilly has been known to show some fairly racy video clips of young women in various stages of undress. O'Reilly explains that while some viewers criticize him for showing salacious images as he denounces the decline of American culture, he has an obligation to show his audience the tawdry reality that prompted his righteous rant."


O'Reilly sure does love those "girls gone wild" scantily clad beauties shaking their groove thing.

In fact, O'Reilly showing those dancing, boozing college girls on break made me re-think those ALLEGATIONS that surfaced 4 years ago, so I googled a wikipedia article:


"In her complaint, Mackris produced what she claimed to be quotations from phone conversations between herself and O’Reilly in which he suggested various sexual practices for the two. A widely publicized conversation included a scenario where O'Reilly would massage her with a loofah in the shower. At one point during the conversation, O'Reilly mistakenly referred to the loofah as "the falafel thing." "Falafel" eventually became a short-hand reference to the affair for O'Reilly's critics. Another conversation revealed that O'Reilly had been using a vibrator on himself. The complaint detailed a number of other sexual conversations and encounters between O'Reilly and Mackris, as well as some of a non-sexual nature, such as O'Reilly stating that radio talk show host Al Franken would "get what was coming to him," and that any woman who crossed him or Fox would be destroyed."


I love how O'Reilly shows images of young, almost undressed, fleshy women partying and drinking AS HE DENOUNCES THE DECLINE OF AMERICAN CULTURE (as you so aptly put it, Debra). He REVELS in the salaciousness EVEN AS he pretends to condemn it (for the sake of his audience). Why has it taken so long for americans to get his number? He is as slick as a carnival charlatan.

Knock knock
Who is there?
Eyes.
Eyes who?
Eyes yo new Presideent.

Bill O Reilly
Bill should have told it like it is.....if Jackson said "cut his nuts off" and if he referred to Obama as a ni--er, so say it.
Jackson said it, not O'Reilly................

Let the TRUTH be known !!!

Jackson's great hoodwink
worked like a charm, the ultimate beneficiary was and is Barack Obama.

I continue to believe that Jesse's hot mike incident was choreographed to produce the ultimate effect which redounded to Obama's favor, even John McCain stepped up to the plate in Barack's behalf.

With so many nails already in his coffin, Jesse Jackson had oh so little to lose. it matters little that this troll of a man was seen in the same light that he's been seen before. So what's new?

The net end result is what counted, we've once again been hoodwinked. Obama gained, no one cared about Jackson anyway.


Uh Oh
This incident exposed more than one hypocrisy and fraud in America.

The first is the most obvious: Jackson. After extorting money and favors from a guilt ridden American white majority, Jackson's been found once again to be the biggest culprit.

But all of America has known that. Yet, amazingly all of America has been too fearful to say so, stand up to him and refuse his outright thefts.

And then there's this super egotistical blow hard gas bag OReilly. This loudmouth is a charlatan who merely wants so much to be liked by the cool kids on the Left. If they'd just let him in for a while he'd dry up and blow away. He's no conservative. He's merely a huckster. He's got a huge story that could likely and finally defang a major race pymp, but this one he decides to hold back???!!!

And then there's white America. Our biggest enemy in the race tyranny has been exposed on nationwide TV. We should finally have the guts to stand up to him and the whole racial organized crime syndicate, but no, we'll keep our lilly white mouths shut and continue to dig deep into our pockets when this and the other greasy jive time pymp Sharpton shake us down for reparations, quotas and set asides.

We'll just step aside and give them and Obama the whole G.D. country and we're told even that won't be enough.

Now who's the slaves.

Why have them on?
I don't understand why news programs always have Jesse and Al on, they both are blow hards. I am so sick and tired of race always being used. Having those two jokers does nothing to a story except put their face on TV and that is what they both crave.

JD's Very Most Handsome Son
You got it right on all the hair balls! I agree with your assessment.

Jackson knew the mike might be live.
But he expects to get a pass from the media.

The first time I met Jackson was in late 1967. He was a racist anti-semite then and he still is now. And thats hardly the first time he has used the n-word.

The dinosaur media has allowed and helped him make a living shaking down businesses and people a lot less racist than he is himself.

Oh, He Has Nuts?
Couldn't tell.

Fair and Balanced --
he wants Obama on his show.

I Don't Blame O'Reilly
Coz you know --

you KNOW!

-- You know that had he published that "Other N-Word®", the Civil Rights establishment, along with the Mainstream Media, would be on his butt like (pardon the pun) white on rice.

Jackson Wasn't Reffering to Obama...
What seems to be lost on many (sadly & pathetically especially among blacks) in the Jesse Jackson comments, but is the most salient & obvious issue to me (as I am a black man) is not that Jackson's envy of Barack Hussein Obama leads him to wish him to make him a member of the "Castrati". What stands out to me is the one part of his comments that an attempt was made to be precluded from his commentary altogether (only being disclosed afterwards).
The use of the word "Ni&&er", when placed in the context in which Jackson used it, was a glaringly obvious revelation as to the perception that so-called "black leaders & activists" like Rev. Jackson, Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, and (by extension) Barack Obama, have about the very people they claim to represent. Jackson's use of the N-word shares no comparison to its use among the ignorant and self-degrading idiots (including Hip-Hop "artists" and assorted nincompoops) in the black community who use it to describe the objects of their misaffections (themselves & each other). The context in which Jackson used the word indicates (no less than the staunchest racist's usage would) his perception of the character of American blacks!
I suspect that this view is equally shared by many of his "colleagues" (Jeremiah Wright & others) who have made careers of pandering to the most ignorant and gullible "victimhood" lovers in the black communities they exploit for personal gain and egotistical self-aggrandizement.
Those of us who remain ignorant to this insult of our intelligence & dignity, and those of us who continue to see such men as our representatives, will insure the accuracy of his description of us.

Oh, really, O'Reilly?
Jackson's censored words "did not advance the story in one way, shape or form"? On the contrary, his utterances, all of them, _are_ the story.

"[S]Some weasel leaked it to the Internet"? Nope. A whole den of weasels kept it off the air.

Fox News correctly refrained from bleeping Sen. Robert Byrd (D-KKK) in 2001 when he used the n-word -- twice -- in an interview with Tony Snow. One can only speculate on why the network's policies have changed since then. Maybe Fox can't resist the general decline in journalistic standards. (Is that term an oxymoron?) Maybe it feared marches and boycotts by Rainbow/PUSH. Maybe the employees who really believed in the slogan "We report, you decide" have left in disgust. Or maybe, as other posters have suggested, O'Reilly was just cozying up to people who hate him. In any case, we can no longer be sure what Murdoch's nannies have suppressed, or will suppress, lest they contribute to our delinquency.

Another Fox program, _The X-Files_, provides the moral to this story: trust no one.


Call for his own resignation or removal?
Where are the calls from the left for Jackson to resign? Seems to me that the only people who keep the N word alive are blacks. I can't recall the last time a white used that term, and wasn't crucified in the media. Jackson has demanded the resignation of many whites for using even less durogatory launguage. Once again, the left displays it's double standard.

The term "n-word is insulting...
...because everyone knows what it means.So I believe we need a new term such as "The- letter- that- follows- "M'- in- the- alphabet-word".That should confuse half the population,at least,because they are not sure what letter follows "m".

One of the hero's of Mark Twains'"The adventures of Tom Sawyer" was "the- letter- that- follows- "m"- in- the- alphabet- word- Jim."

where Jesse said it
it would have made much more of an impact if jesse jackson would have memtioned his orchiectomy statement in hymie town!

as with imus and his nappy headed observations and michael richards just being the comic he believes he is in his own mind...jesse was given eqaul treatment by the lib/dem msm...

after all.....with imus and michael richards...the press/balck community/and lib/dems called for immediate actions boycotts, etc. etc.

although the n word has been give last rights by a civil rights group in philadelphia...it is apparent that whoopi goldberg and the others on the view did not get the word....

it is enough to make elizabeth hasselback cry!!!!

"N's" for the "N's"
All of this political correctness is getting a little "nutty."

Of course Jesse Jackson should be ashamed, but mostly because he forbids everyone else from using racial slurs but him.

Hmmmmm...

Isn't that the definition of HYPOCRACY?!!!

But what else can we expect from the Lefties? They want to shut up everyone they disagree with, and make big noises themselves over drivel.

Will this incident harm "Rev" Jackson and his lucrative Rainbow Pushers? Not likely, because if his nutty followers cared a whit about character, he would have been abandoned long ago.

I would be inclined to say just forget the whole thing, and expect Jackson to keep his pie hole shut next time some aging comedian makes a slip of the tongue.

However, I think it is unlikely that Jesse has learned his lesson, and it won't be long before he is shoving his mug in front of the cameras to incite more racial tension across the country.

So I say, let us NOT drop the matter, but publicly humiliate the man, in the same manner that he humiliated others under the same circumstances. Make him crawl to Michael Richards and beg for forgiveness, for example.

At least Richards didn't threaten to neuter his hecklers.

His Apology Was To Obama...Not Ni&&ers
It's interesting that Jackson's apology to Obama is seen to settle the issue of his unintentional airing of his feelings towards His Arrogance (in his role as "Reverend" Obama) in his remarks to the Pastors & "leaders" of the African Methodist Episcopal{A.M.E} Church).

However, no attempt was made by Jackson to apologize to the black Americans he supposedly "advocates" for, in his referring to us all as "Ni&&ers".

As the word is defined as: "an ignorant person.", those who resemble his remark as to his perception of their identity find no offense in his use of it. As witnessed by their silent acceptance of his characterization of them, perhaps this explains their wholesale support of a condescending Socialist/radical/pompous strawman as somehow becoming our latest ill-chosen hero.

I can't help but to suspect that Barack Hussein Obama's estimation of American blacks is no less flattering than Jackson's.

I certainly do not suscribe to the leadership of either...

N-word...
One of the most irritating phrases to me is 'The N-word'. That could mean any word that starts with an 'n'. Either say the word or stop referring to it.

If it is a word out there and blacks can say it,then it is a legitimate word for all Americans. Blacks can tell others what words WE cannot use? Give me a break!!

For much too long blacks have used 'white guilt' to get what they want. In a politically correct society,it works. But a word permissable for blacks but not for whites...this is a joke.

Jesse Jackson is another joke. Media who even give race hustlers ,like JJ and Al a place to spout their nonsense are worse than they are.

I tuned out B.O'Reilly long ago. A few minutes of him monopolizing every conversation is maddening. He invites people on his show,so he can get his message out. The guest never can.

N^%#$@
Now I am ticked off. Adults use the words F---, sh--, but N----- can't be used. How childish! Sounds like little children saying Ohhhh, he said the F word, I'm telling! She said the S word, She's in trouble! How stupid does it sound to hear grown adults using a phrase and instead of saying the word, they say "the N word", like little children. Grow up people. If they can say it, who are they to dictate what you say. If I'm repeating what someone else said, why can't I quote them. I once quoted John Lennon's words about Women being the N$#@$# of the world and my comments weren't posted just because I spelled out the word correctly. If I say Whitey or Honky or Trailer Trash or Fatso or Pimple Face or whatever, those are acceptable. Why..don't theses names hurt as much? Each individual should be their own censor, not the government and not another group of people. Wake up and see what's happening to this country! Smokers are villified, creationists are ridiculed, words are policed...individual freedoms no longer are acceptable. I wouldn't call anyone a name, but to say a certain word can't be used.. We're going downhill, people! Maybe not in my lifetime, but I'm sure we'll oneday be able to see signs like..White People need not apply.

pjal
I'm with you. Combine that foolishness with the hot mic, the stupid magazine cover, now the revelation that jj used the "n-word" and then ask the question:

cui bono?

And Furthermore..
Everything is offensive to many black people. My son was dating a black girl. I invited her over and made a big meal for her and treated her kindly, as I would any guest, she told my son after they left that she never wanted to be in the same room again with me, in other words, I was no longer to be a part of their lives. My crimes were the following: He met her online, so I looked her up to see a picture of her because my son has no camera (she thought I was looking up her criminal records--which I guess would have been a legitimate reason because they DID meet online). Then I asked her about where she grew up and about her grandma who raised her--I didn't know it was a sensitive subject. Then she accused me of saying she paid for her college grades because she challenged several courses and was able to pay for the course and not have to take them if she made an A. Thats a standard procedure in all colleges and universities. These were, according to her, all rascist comments. She was hesitant to meet me because I was a conservative (and we never talked politics) and not an Obama supporter. She verbally attacked my son because he didn't pick up on all those rascist comments I supposedly made and defend her and told him she would never be in a room with me again. What a way to start a relationship! My son broke up with her. I amwondering Are there any black people who are not offended by black holes, devils food cake and are not always looking to be offended? First I blame Sharpton and Jackson because they are the dividers and secondly, anyone who accepts their hate speech (which they have a right to proclaim)are to blame also. I'm just sick of the whole thing and it's not getting anywhere.

Pjal & Uncle Max
Couldn't agree more. JJ and TNY are both media pros. They knew exactly what they were doing; functioning as "beards." Now the BHO campaign can say, "See? BHO really isn't that liberal if Jackson and The New Yorker are 'bashing' him..."

Debra
This is real simple. They will not use the word b@llls because they are envious, THEY HAVE NONE.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

OncealwaysaMarine
Two great posts. I completely agree that Jackson, Obama,and other black 'leaders' look down on the black community. That is what is wrong with group think. The leftists pigeonhole everyone into certain categories and then claim that those people like or don't like certain things, vote or don't vote certain ways, etc. Then the msm claims they have found "spokesmen" for these groups. How arrogant! and how dictatorial! This is especially true of the way blacks are pigeonholed. If a black person doesn't say and do and think exactly what these self-appointed leaders and the msm expect from ALL Blacks, then he is denounced as an Uncle Tom (Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, etc.).

Double Standard JJ
As usual, Jesse "love~child" Jackson, self proclaimed HNIC, wants to have it both ways. As a professional race baiter and shake down artist, he has ammased several fortunes by threatening to boycott anyone, or any company, that doesn't pay up. Now he is upstaged by the Big O, and he doesn't like anyone "messing with his crib".

Liberals and the 1st Amendment

Obama, Liberals and Democrats claim they are heavily invested in defending 'Freedom of Speech'.

Unless you criticize Michelle Obama or Prophet Obama - that is 'unacceptable'.

Unless you do NOT use 'Politically Correct' speech - that is 'bigoted'.

Unless you are a conservative talk show host - that is NOT 'fair'.

Unless you say Obama-Messiah is naive - that is 'racist'.

Unless you say Obamunism would destroy the American Economy - that is 'antipathy'.

Unless you say that Islamic schools should not be on Government property - that is 'xenophobic'.

Unless you think sexual deviates are NOT normal - that is 'homophobic'.

Unless you say women are beautiful and delightful creatures - that is 'misogyny'.

Unless you teach your children to fear God - that is 'child abuse'.

Unless you use a satirical cartoon depicting the Obamas in all of their glory - taht is all of the above.

Retired Geek SAYZ:
Unless you use a satirical cartoon depicting the Obamas in all of their glory - that is all of the above.

True, but even you have to admit they have a really cool “fist bump.”

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Retired Geek
We can count on you to nail it every time! You have the ability to express what I think,but can't write. Thank you for keeping the faith. Some of us are depending on well read folks like you to warn the naive.

Rowly and Doc et al

One of the critiques late night comedians and others have of Obama is his lack of humor and the fact that he takes 'HIMSELF' so seriously.

Pictures of Obama with 'halos' around his head and pictures of Obama that makes him look like 'The Enlightened One' do not seem to raise his ire.

What is it with Muslims that cartoons will lead them to riots and destruction? and even put out death threats?

Obama seems to have the same mindset!

Obama may not be a Muslim but he sure has all of the personality of one.

*Barack and Michelle 'fist bumpers' extraordinaire!!!

Retired Geek
Always reminds me that Political Correctness is something unique to Muslims and minorities. I see not much difference in what we are not'allowed'to say about Muslims and what is not permissable to minorities. I say "poppycock".

Nothing is off-limits where the rest of us is concerned,especially conservatives. We are called anything except good. We are looked down upon by the 'so-called' elitists ,especially the MSM.

O`Reilly omission
Maybe he omitted it because he was trying to adhere to the rules set by the FCC.

Affirmative Action at 'StarBucks'

Many blacks think that going from the 'back of the bus' to the 'head of the line' will heal the racial divide in America.

Many blacks think that being called African-American defines them much better than just plain old 'American'.

PC = Perpetual Children who must sate their desire for attention by being victims of any and everything imaginable.

When will StarBucks post a sign that says African-Americans to the head of the line please.

ex-Wyomingite...

Can't argue with your comments.

They say that Narcissists have no Empathy for their fellow man. With one exception... They seem to show pity toward fellow Narcissists.

It's not the "Powerful" as Bill puts it, but the "Self-orientated" who seem to take care of each other.

I am tired of People who want to save me

The only person that I am interested in saving me is Jesus Christ.

Obama wants to give me 'Hope' - no thanks I already have Hope in my Lord and Saviour.

Obama wants to give me 'Change' - that is nothing but Obama 'Chump Change' - I am depending on God to make 'Changes' in my life.

Here is a 'News Flash' for all of the self appointed, self annointed, Saviors of Mankind - get OUT of our lives and let us pursue self-determination.

The American Citizen is the SMALLEST MINORITY in America.

Equal rights and protection under the Constitution and Bill of Rights are all any American needs or deserves.

Quit taking 'Equal Rights' away from us in the name of 'Equal Rights', quit taking 'Freedom of Speech' away from us in the name of 'Freedom of Speech'.

Quit with the 'Equal Outcomes' instead of 'Equal Beginnings'.

Quit stealing our resources in a coercive attempt at 'Sacrifice For The Common Good' to show Liberal compassion.

Liberal Compassion is the definition of an oxymoron - with emphasis on the moron.

Retired Geek... Obama and Humor :)

A telltale sign of "Malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder" is the lack of Humor.

Specifically, The Narcissist (Obama) cannot understand jokes, and only laughs after others have started laughing. Watch Barack very closely. Narcissists are extra alert in conversations, looking for the cues to laugh, show surprise, or be taken aback.

As I said from the beginning, this man does not have real emotions. His personality is contrived. (compare to Kieth Olbermann)

Scary dudes, eh?

Socialism -> Communism
Communist Party USA defines how Americans will be treated if they do not want a Socialistic government. Copied from their website below:
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"We think that a socialist government could be elected under our current political structure, and that if the capitalist class can be restrained sufficiently, that transformation could be peaceful.

That is what we want, what we work for. But in most revolutions, the source of the violence is the actions of the established order, which resorts to civil war or violent repression to prevent a peaceful revolution."
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If we do not want Socialism/Communism then we are the ones to be blamed for attempting to stop it.

"Resistance is Futile" should be their slogan.

The Marxist thinks the over 100,000,000 people who have died so far in the Communist quest for Marxism brought death on themselves.

Can someone explain to me the difference between an Islamist cutting off your head for being an 'infidel' and a Communist killing you for not accepting the true 'collective salvation' of Marxism?

Carlos et al
Carlos wrote: "...A telltale sign of "Malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder" is the lack of Humor..."

Excellent analysis as usual Carlos!

Consider this Narcissist:
"...the power which has always started the greatest religious and political avalanches in history rolling has from time to immemorial been the magic of power of the spoken word, and that alone.
Particularly the broad masses of the people can be moved only by the power of speech".
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf.

weird will
what the he*& do you care about scantily clad FEMALES? If it had been males I would understand your interest.

Al Gore sells Carbon Credits

Since Al Gore sells Carbon Credits, one wonders when Jesse Jackson will start marketing 'N' word credits?


UncleB Truth for the ages

Uncle B wrote: "...weird will
what the he*& do you care about scantily clad FEMALES? If it had been males I would understand your interest..."

Wills' only identity and reason for life is sexual deviance.

Will sees 'scantily clad females' as his biggest threat to his existence.

Obama and Collective Salvation
"It was in search of some practical application of [my mother's religious] values that I accepted work after college as a community organizer for a group of churches in Chicago that were trying to cope with joblessness, drugs, and hopelessness in their midst. My work with the pastors and laypeople there deepened my resolve to lead a public life.

I was drawn to the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change. Out of necessity, the black church had to minister to the whole person. Out of necessity, the black church rarely had the luxury of separating individual salvation from collective salvation. It had to serve as the center of the community's political, economic, and social as well as spiritual life; it understood in an intimate way the biblical call to feed the hungry and clothe the naked and challenge powers and principalities. I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary; rather, it was an active, palpable agent in the world."

Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.206-7 Oct 1, 2006

oreilly's failure
thjere is no doubt that js$$e is the leading race hustler for these past 30 plus years. He has used blacks for his own purposes and acted like a criminal shakedown artist to bilk businesses out of millions for various programs that have benefited je$$e and not the purpose he alledgedly raised them for.

Oreilly had the opportunity to fully expose the fraud that je$$e is but not claims to take a higher road. For what purpose. Jackson will continue his criminal acts until the day he goes for his dirt nap.

Many across america would be better served is je$$e were permanently off the national scene. Other blacks would step forward to send other messages to their community other than the one of je$$e which blames white for everything and maintains blacks aren't accountable for their poor choices in life.

Perhaps we might hear a new message that what occurred in the past is past and those living today are not responsible for the sins of slavery, segregation and jim crow.

Perhaps the message of getting an education and avoid making poor choices might find greater circulation and allow future generations to do more with their lives than be permanent residents of the dims plantation of entitlements

Obama on Collective Salvation 2

Obama remarks at Xavier University:

"I ask you to take it because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on our collective salvation. And because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you will realize your true potential."

OncealwaysaMarine
I salute a proud Marine and Black Man

Retired Geek...

That is one more point towards heaven for you!

It is not ignorance we battle, but the malignancy which creates the ignorance.

I was reading a "Study" last night from a Florida University... said something to the effect...

"Governments with shared power (checks and balances) are more likely to engage in Torture versus Authoritarian governments."

Adolf would be so proud :)


Dave 2 et al
Dave 2 wrote: "...Many across america would be better served is je$$e were permanently off the national scene. Other blacks would step forward to send other messages to their community other than the one of je$$e which blames white for everything and maintains blacks aren't accountable for their poor choices in life..."

2.6 million black Americans voted conservative in the last election.

Many black Americans have stepped up like Dr. Thomas Sowell, Justice Clarence Thomas and many others.

These black Americans do NOT satisfy the MSM, Liberals, Democratic Party or the Communist Party USA, as voices of the black community.

Marx and Engels were dead set aginst having a strong middle class.

Black Separatist 'Theology' is dead set against a strong middle class.

Obama and his Mentor Wright are dead set against a strong middle class as declared in point 8 of the TUCC platform:
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness".

Why no middle class?

Harder to conduct 'class envy and struggle' which is the lifeblood of Communism.

Black Separatism (point 8)
Vallmer Jordan, a church member who helped draft the precepts, said they were designed to empower the black community and counter a value system imposed by whites.

"There was a hunk of resistance to that principle," Jordan said. But eventually committee members came to understand its intention: "Any black person who identifies himself as middle-class psychologically withdraws from the group and becomes a proponent of strengthening and sustaining the system," he said.
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Blacks who pursue a strong Middle Class income for them and their family weakens the Black Separatist movement.

Keep them poor or rich is the idea.

Black bottom feeders like Jackson et al want to be rich and they want their followers to be poor.




I have to agree with Janis
Posted Date: Jul 20, 2008 - 8:21 AM EST.

Mr.Sensitive Indeed
Forget Jesse Jackson, whose remark might well have been scripted by the Obama campaign. Seriously, only McCain calling him a N******r could have helped him more. How about the way he freaked out when his children -- GASP -- acted like children. The oblique reference to his inability to eat ice cream ( yes, folks, this god come to earth sometimes has intestinal gas!!! ) almost gave him the vapors. Pun intended.

OncealwaysaMarine & Handsome Son
I agreed with both of your posts, Marine, and also yours, Handsome Son.

It is a shame that the likes of Jackson & Sharpton receive so much credibility. They could care less about Black individuals. All they care about is having their pockets padded with all the money they can extort from an America whom they can "make" feel guilty about slavery.

Slavery was NOT invented by the white race. Slavery was mentioned throughout the Old Testament of the Bible. And where is Jesse, Al, & Farrakhan's outrage of the African people that SOLD THEIR OWN PEOPLE in to slavery to begin with! The whole practice of slavery was abominable, but it did NOT begin with the white race.

Slavery, however, is alive and well. We are slaves of the oil super powers who are extorting our hard earned money for gas prices that they control.

Lindsey Williams, a pastor and author, was involved in the building of the Alaska Pipeline in the 70s, as a chaplain, and there are supposedly 2 areas in Alaska that OUR government knows about, that could supply enough oil for us for the next 200 years. He estimated that if it was tapped into, that within a year, gas prices could be less than $1.50/gallon! No matter WHO is President, it doesn't seem to make a difference, as the world is apparently controlled by invisible rich powers.

Yep..slavery of ALL is alive and well.

ex-Wyo
Careful. If you say that Muslims hate humor, one of them may laughingly issue a fatwa against you.

:-)

Debra
is so right, O'Reilly shouldn't have protected
Jackson's hypocrisy. We all know he's one but
there are those who follow him and showing him
as the hypocrite and false teacher would deflate some of their arguments. It's the same about Obama, he's being protected. Fox prides itself on being fair and balanced, and it is the only news channel watched in this house.
However, having said that, it is aggravating
to have some of it's "news" as nothing but
tabloid features that seems to want to outdo
the tabloids themselves. Their serious news is excellent however I don't care, nor am I interested in learning every iota of gossip about Christie and her husband, Britney, other assorted showbiz bimbos. I sympathize with Christie, she was hurt badly but enough is enough. Whenever there are segments re Britney
and I forget the others the mute goes on or the channel is changed til it's over.

Jesse Gets 'em riled
It's amazing that most posters of this thread can't see beyond their own sheltered, homogeneous, indoctrinated upbringing. I'll bet the only diversity of opinion in your farming communities of 2500 people or less involve whether white male Protestants were superior to white male Southern Baptists.

Note: The previous statement wasn't fair, but sites like these bring out the worst in me.

Now, Jesse Jackson may be bitter and angry. But if I had attack dogs and water hoses turned on me, or my right to vote was denied based on my color, or white people burned crosses, lynched, and intimidated people of color not only without fear of jucicial repercussions, but with the tacit approval of local governments, I might just be a little bitter too.

But what really annoys most readers of this thread? Jesse can use the "N" word and not be persecuted, but you can't.

Let's make a deal. Walk a mile in Jesse's shoes, and you'll be given the same latitude.

OLBERMANN ROCKS.

Communist Party USA or Obama?
Theses are some of the planks of the Communist Party USA. Who copied who Obama or the Communists?
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Communist Party Immediate Program for the Crisis.

- Labor law reform to remove barriers to workers who want to join a union.
- No privatization of Social Security. Increase benefits.
- Universal prescription drug coverage administered by Medicare. Universal health care system.
- Restore social safety net. Welfare reform that includes job training, supports and living wages.
- Full funding for equal, quality, bi-lingual public education. No vouchers.

Make Corporate Giants Pay
- Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations.
- Close corporate tax loopholes.
- Restitution to workers' pensions.
- Strong regulation of financial industry.
- Regulation and public ownership of utilities
- Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works program to clean our air, water and land
- Aid to cities and states. Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs.

O'Reilly Spun
So O'Reilly spun. Big deal. This is a guy who tells his guests "I'll give you the last word" and then follows the guest's comments with... the last word.

Communist Party USA vs Obama
I thought these were Democrat and Obama ideals.
Who is stealing whose ideas?
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Defend Democracy and Civil Rights
- End racial profiling.
- Repeal the death penalty.
- Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action.
- Repeal USA Patriot Act.
- Legalization and protection of immigrant rights.
- Public financing of elections. Overall election law reform including Instant Runoff Voting.
- Youth and student bill of rights. Guarantee youth's right to earn,learn and live.

Obama = bicycles cure high Gas Prices

Obama states that walking, bicycles and taking the bus will help during high gas prices.

Obama also believes we should all move to the inner city and live in public housing to reduce commute times and energy use.
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"Reform Federal Transportation Funding: As president, Barack Obama will re-evaluate the transportation funding process to ensure that smart growth considerations are taken into account.

Obama will build upon his efforts in the Senate to ensure that more Metropolitan Planning Organizations create policies to incentivize greater BICYCLE and pedestrian usage of roads and sidewalks, and he will also re-commit federal resources to public mass transportation projects across the country.

Building more livable and sustainable communities will not only reduce the amount of time individuals spent commuting, but will also have significant benefits to air quality, public health and reducing greenhouse gas emissions." Obama on Change you can believe in
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Incorrect
1. Baptists (Southern and non-) are Protestants, though some like to think that their denomination goes back to Apostolic days.

2. I live in a city of 220,000.

3. "But what really annoys most readers of this thread? Jesse can use the "N" word and not be persecuted, but you can't."

I won't presume to speak for others, but one thing that annoys me is that I (and those who look like me) can't say or do *anything* without the risk of some bigoted moron like you screaming honky, as if that were the last word on the subject. Maybe you and JJ should walk a mile in _my_ shoes before you spew any more bile. I have an extra pair.

O'Reilly
What a joke this guy is. I stopped watching him, Hannity, and all of FOX long ago. Just another intimidated whitey...

O'Reilly
What a joke this guy is. I stopped watching him, Hannity, and all of FOX long ago. Just another intimidated whitey...

O'reilly, The left wing loon.
More than a few bloggers have accused Bill O'reilly of being a left wing sympathizer. I must say, an observations like this makes John Hinkley Jr. seem in touch with reality.

His nightly dialogue consists of railing against "left wing loons", the Daily Kos, the Huffington Post, Media Matters, and MoveOn.Org, just to name a few. And maybe you think liberal unknowns such as Jane Hall, Kirsten Powers, and Lamont Hill receive the the same treatment as conservative heavyweights Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove, or Bernie Goldberg.

Even after the Jeremiah Wright story had died down, O'reilly was still running it as the Factor's lead and secondery story. I guess this really helped Obama, didn't it?

And finally, if O'reilly is so in bed with the left, why does Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama refuse to come on his show? Yes, I know Jackson appeared on the show once, after O'reilly had been on the air ten years. And even then, O'reilly interrupted him to the point he'll probably never be back.

Now I have an open mind. Maybe if your cite the right wing organizations O'reilly constantly ridicules, or the conservative guests he interrupts of goes ballistic on (remember Phil Donahue, Geraldo Rivera, Jeremy Glick, or Senator Dodd), I may be apt to change my mind.

Until then, please stop drinking the Kool-aid.

OLBERMANN ROCKS

Retired Geek sayz:
"Resistance is Futile"

Good slogan for them considering they also would get their “progressive collective” @sses handed to them in a shooting war!

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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Darick sayz:
OLBERMANN ROCKS

More like rocks in his head, he and Jon Stupid err Stewart. No I was right the first time with Stupid.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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OncealwaysaMarine
Thank you for your thoughtful and cogent posts.
I always learn from them. #14 & 20 were enlightening. Thanks for your service from a
wife and mom of Navy vets and grandmom of an enlisted medic who's with your Marines.

Ret Geek..#38 AMEN I second Rowly's post.
per #45 Where in all this "religious" BLT/Obama
Elmer Gantryisms is the Cross and Him Crucified.
Our country is in deep trouble because many of
our churches/preachers (all races) have forgotten and/or neglected what Christianity is all about, sin and redemption, (if Jesse's
word is forbidden, in many churches, sin is verboten only health, wealth and God has to do it cuz He prooommmmmised Wah wah!) Obama's
remarks at Xavier show that he hasn't a clue about what being a Christian entails or about
sin, and redemption..I bet he hasn't a clue as to why Jesus came and was crucified.

Darick
His nightly dialogue consists of railing against "left wing loons", the Daily Kos, the Huffington Post, Media Matters, and MoveOn.Org, just to name a few.

And? We have our own posers here, wobbie and RW come to mind. They claim to be right wing and type like a lib, not hard to see through.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

ex-Wyo
Yeah, that distinction would put one in good company.

Paleocon
Thanks for the correction concerning what I thought were different religious denominations (and I AM taking your word for it). However, you do realize what this means, don't you? That's right. THERE WAS NO DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS IN THOSE SMALL FARMING COMMUNITIES!!!!


Why did you feel the need to cite the population of your city? I had already stated in the same post that the previous statement concerning population wasn't fair.

Could you please list the people that use the word "honky" on a regular basis during a cogent, rational argument concerning race. I watch a lot of news and read many newspapers and magazines, but for some reason, I continuously miss these frequent and recurring tantrums to which you allude.

Finally, you and I may disagree over whose footwear walked a tougher road, but surely you can't argue that our trials and tribulations are a mere pittance compared to those of Jesse Jackson.


OLBERMANN ROCKS.

Doc
It's really hard to respond to your posts, being that you aren't really saying anything. BTW, the next time these proud, American loving black republicans need a place to hold a meeting, I'd like to offer my living room. There should be more than enough space.

OLBERMANN ROCKS.

Darick sayz:
Let's make a deal. Walk a mile in Jesse's shoes, and you'll be given the same latitude.

I would not walk any miles in his shoes to be able to “legally” extort the money he has from dumb arse corporations.
Better yet if I were CEO of a company and he said the word “boycott” to me, I would give the tape to the FBI and ask if they could “legally” do something.
But then with the extra kids he has to support (if he does) I guess he needs the money.
Why is ityou support a race baiter again? Because he had it tough as a kid?
So did I.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Darick :
No diversity of opinion in small farming communities? You have never visited one have you?

There is far more diversity in small communities (farming or not) than on a typical college campus.

Darick
BTW, the next time these proud, American loving black republicans need a place to hold a meeting, I'd like to offer my living room. There should be more than enough space.

Are you saying there are no proud American Americans?
My bad, I should have known that as a lib, you are the quintessential reverse racist.
Meaning if they are a Republican, even though they are black, deserve no respect. I expect no less fro a lib. Most of them probably had it as tough as the race baiters, but that does not matter right? They are people (Republicans by choice) who stood up and made it on their own and that’s why you libs detest them more than you do white Republicans. Can’t have one take care of one’s self, huh?

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

STAN
Actually Stan, my father was a farmer who farmed between 1900 and 2200 acres of wheat and soybeans yearly. I was driving tractors when I was 12 years old. I was picking okra when I was eight. I actually loved school because our (his sons) summers consisted of 16 hour workdays. And finally, the town in which I grew up, Jeannette, Ark., has a population of 212.

I could make the statement concerning population because I can laugh at myself. But please don't discount the fact that I immediately acknowledged that the statement wasn't far.

OLBERMANN ROCKS.

Darick
Doc
It's really hard to respond to your posts, being that you aren't really saying anything

Oh I am saying plenty, just you libs do not like the truth told to you. HAHAHAHAHAHA

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean


DOC
My post was a light-hearted response to your insinuation that to be black and love America, you MUST be a republican. (BTW, nowhere in my post did I say they weren't proud Americans). Unlike you, my litmus test for patriotism is not whether or not you share my political philosophy.

And I'm sure you know that roughly, only 10 percent of black Americans identify as being republican. While that's a very small number, I'll concede that a living room won't be sufficient for the gathering. Instead, they can have it in my back yard.

You may now continue with your narrow minded ideology of what constitutes patriotism.

OLBERMANN ROCKS

Retired Geek
EXCELLENT info from the communist party site. I haven't looked but, probably common threads in the democrat/liberal mission statement.
As for weird willy, he is gonna have to accept a few females in this world unless he can figure out how to grow a uteris (spell?)

Darick
You may now continue with your narrow minded ideology of what constitutes patriotism.

Not my insinuation at all, however, calling it lighthearted is a cop out when you belittle a group who does not need the government handouts or apologies from whites to make it. I happen to think there are many. Not enough to fit in your living room? That's ok we can laugh about it, no aplogy needed.
Yep, persons of all colors who stand up on their own two feet, and are proud of what the founding fathers gave us, "a Republic if we can keep it.” I guess you can call that narrow minded.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean




darick
despite your protestations you are far from being open-minded. The fact fact you pay homage to olberman demonstrates both a narrow mind and a self hatred and a disdain for all who doesn't think like you do.

Just because conservs view the issues in a different light and are neither enchanted nor enthused over b hussein doesn't make them wrong. It is more conceivable your are the one viewing him with a lower standard than you would for a white candidate with a similar empty resume

But if you are another black who is supporting b hussein based purely on his skin pigment than what half are you supporting. The african half that was abandoned by a wayward and shiftless father who ran away from his responsibilities or like b hussein reject his white half that nurtured him and saw that he had a family.

It was this same white family that saw he received the educational background that paved the way to his admission to both columbia and harvard. It is also the same white half that he has thrown under his bus of personal ambition while he holds his deadbeat father on a type of pedestal

All b hussein proves is that he is conflicted and more an object of pity for trying to exorcise the part of him that made him who he is. But pity or not he still lacks the experience and the qualifications to lead this country no matter how well he reads a teleprompter which seems to be his best skill

1ST Doc
Doc, you have to be a closed-minded doofus to think some black republicans don't receive some form of government subsidies (handouts, if you prefer), and an idiot to believe that most African-Americans voting democrat receive some form of welfare.

And I didn't call these black republicans narrow minded. I called YOU narrow minded. I don't intend to be insulting, but try comprehending what you read. All I'm saying is that a republican vote doesn't constitute patriotism in itself.

But if you insist on continuing your theme that voting democratic equates to a desire for public assistance, would you explain why Jews, the most economically viable group in America, overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

OLBERMANN ROCKS

Darick
I do not need to know ANYTHING about your political phi;osophy. The mere thought that you might give olberdouche ANY consideration is enough.

Liberals are Perpetual Children

Obama and his apologists argue that their morality is simply a product of their culture and experience. Their morality cannot be understood by those outside their culture. Absolutes that apply to all races and cultures are non-existent or meaningless in their quest for identity.

Liberals thrive on moral relativism. Liberals live in a universe of ME and are trapped in limbo, neither children nor adults. Their arrested development results in labeling, name calling, inane comments, pointing to other aberrant behaviour to justify their own.

Liberals live in the world of Perpetual Children, never able to use facts, reason and logic for decision making but rather emotion and intuition.

The only absolutes they own is moving targets.

When liberals fail to reach utopia with their idealistic insanity - there is always Koolaid to distribute to their mindless followers.


Darick #84
I agree that Jews are the most economically viable group in America, and it was not too long ago that the Nazis instituted gun control--right before the Holocaust. They seem to be a highly intelligent group. Therefore, I have no idea why Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Those in Israel probably wouldn't.

2nd, Dave 2
My original posts simply stated that maybe the hardships that Jackson faced as an early Civil Rights leader influences (right or wrong) his views concerning race. My other post stated that no rational person could honestly think O'reilly is a left wing puppet.

The only time I mentioned Obama was to say that he's never appeared on The O'reilly Factor (proving that O'reilly is not a puppet for Obama). But Dave, this didn't stop you from posting me with a littany of reasons to despise Obama. In no post today have I supported or condemned Obama, but since you've appointed me the defender of voters who support Barack Obama, I accept your challenge. Stay tuned for the next post.

Darick the Perpetual Child
Darick thank you for authenticating my post at 3:16 pm #86 - you couldn't have done any better!!!!!!

I have sympathy for the incredible angst you must have about watching adults converse and unable to participate except as a child.

Here is a sample of your childish rants:
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"Doc, you have to be a closed-minded doofus...and an idiot to...I called YOU narrow minded...Unlike you, my litmus test...You may now continue with your narrow minded ideology of what constitutes patriotism...It's really hard to respond to your posts, being that you aren't really saying anything...BTW, the next time these proud, American loving black republicans need a place to hold a meeting, I'd like to offer my living room. There should be more than enough space...I must say, an observations like this makes John Hinkley Jr. seem in touch with reality...Until then, please stop drinking the Kool-aid...It's amazing that most posters of this thread can't see beyond their own sheltered, homogeneous, indoctrinated upbringing...

Darick
LOL ok
I believe you, you are right. You “libs” are not socialist and do not want to run everything. You are not trying to take away our gun rights. Or our right to free speech (un-fairness doctrine.) It must just be a nightmare I can not wake up from, WHAT EVER.
And did I use the word dem? I have to remember the real dems lost their party to the libs (commies) who took over the dem party of my parents. And they are the ones of whom I am speaking.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
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http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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Liberals on Normal Sex

NAMBLA enhances a childs well being.

Pornography will help women to have self esteem.

Sodomy is so normal that it must be taught.

Procreative acts are so abnormal that no one can figure out how to do them.

Practitioners of sodomy need "Gay Pride" buttons and parades to convince themselves of their pride.

Moral relativity proves that sodomy is moral.

The suicide rate of homosexuals is a direct result of pride and self esteem that overwhelms a sodomite.

Sodomy is simply natural a selection process that will ensure survival of the fittest.

I can only come to the conclusion that liberal logic is "dyslexic" and a liberal sees a mirrored, reversed view of reality.

Sacrifice for the Common Good
Obama wants Americans to "Sacrifice for the Common Good".

Chinese Communists murdered 62 million people in the implementation of their rallying call, 'Serve the people,'

Soviet Communists murdered more than 60 million people in the implementation of Karl Marx's slogan, 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.'
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Why did governments murder people for the 'Common Good' - certainly the people being murdered didn't think it was for the 'Common Good'.

Those citizens who wanted to pursue the right to personal freedom and self determination stood in the way of the 'Common Good' for all.

What will happen to you and your children if you do not want to participate in "Sacrifice for the Common Good"?

It can not happen in America you say?

Over 100,000,000 dead didn't think it could happen in their Country.

Reality is difficult to face - reality causes people to say "This is Nothing but Scare Tactics".


Obama Common Good Housing
By Binyamin Appelbaum
Globe Staff / June 27, 2008
CHICAGO - "The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can't afford to live anywhere else.

But it's not safe to live here.

About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad the buildings now face demolition.

Grove Parc has become a symbol for some in Chicago of the broader failures of giving public subsidies to private companies to build and manage affordable housing - an approach strongly backed by Obama as the best replacement for public housing.

As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year."


What you have experienced, not color

I have talked to many people over the decades, and have found that no one really hates another person because of color, race, gender, creed, or anything like that. Those factors are the identifiers, and what you do next depends on your past experience with such a person, or what you just read in the paper, or heard on the news.

If all you have read or heard while growing up is to hate the Black man, you will hate the black man, but not because he is black, but because that’s all you know.

Just the other day I said to a Black man, a Pharmacist, “Do you know what I would do if I saw three big black men coming towards me on a dark street?”

He said, “You would cross the street.” I said, “No I would say, Good evening Michael Jordan, glad to meet you Magic Johnson, I loved your show Bill Cosby.” He cheered my comment, and roared with laughter.

And if you saw several black men, dressed in dark clothes, swinging clubs, and you notice one had a gun, would you cross the street? No, you would say, “Thank goodness the police are here to protect us.” So you see, there are identifiers, and there is what you have experienced, or have been trained to think and do. Their uniform and equipment, trumps their color.

I have told that story with ladies I spoke with on the phone somewhere, when the voice indicated she was Black. I told that story to a bunch of young Black men in the Mall the other day, one of them was wearing a shirt with the name Jordan on it.

Not one person complained, they each and every one cheered and as one lady said, “If everyone had that opinion, we would have no more problem.”

You do not command respect, you earn it. If most of the stories in the paper tell about black gang members killing people, the Black community must correct that problem, the white community can’t do it.

As you can imagine, this could on for 50 pages at least, but I have carefully watched, asked, and talked abut this for many years.

Liberal Tyranny

Liberals have proven time and again that the less you know the more things seem possible.

Liberals and Democrats are tyrannized and oppressed by their own emotions.

Liberals and Democrats do not use reason and logic to decide their postions but rather emotions and intuition, only their emotions are correct.

Liberals and Democrats believe moral values are based on emotional responses to the 'current truth' and whatever might be emotionally acceptable and only their feelings matter.

Liberals and Democrats believe that if they do not smoke cigarettes all cigarettes should be banned.

Liberals and Democrats find they do not 'like' guns then all guns should be banned.

Liberals and Democrats think if they do not like certain words then these words must be banned in the name of 'Freedom FROM Speech'.

Liberals believe 'Freedom OF Speech' is an outmoded concept that is not acceptable in the 'Current Truth' of their ideal society.

Liberals and Democrats demand laws that coerce others to become slaves of emotion instead of using those 'Horrid Words' like reason and logic through 'Political Correctness'.

Jackson, O'Reilly, and pop culture #1

What is pop culture in different fields?

Pop culture is not only hip hop, rap, or 'American Idol.'

It's a BigMac instead of a steak or a turtle soup; Reebok with a long coat; iPod instead of Carnegie Hall; Madonna instead of Cecilia Bartoli; Snoop Dogg instead of Dmitry Khvorostovsky...

Everything is fast to cook; easy to swallow; needs no education, no high emotions, no catharsis.

Everything is addressing and incites a constant eruption of most primitive and atavistic biological functions of a CROWD.

It's everything what allegedly - and absolutely falsely, I have to say - makes us all 'EQUAL.'

Since we all consume the same, we all emanate the same pseudo-emotions, we all are talking about the same TV series, the same Idols, and we feel as we are ourselves the same...

It's a wonderland of illusions...

I don't know what color bar a zebra starts from - white or black; I don't know what is the front of an egg - the sharp end or the blunt end.

And I don't know what the pop culture as a movement to make all of us EQUAL started from.

Maybe, it has started when very talented but destructive for the high culture Elvis and Beatles came to replace Mozart and Stravinsky...

They perfectly matched the then broadening riot of post-War hedonism and anti-Bourgeoisie anti-Imperialism pro-Socialism movement of sex- and drug-addicted youth freed from reins by parents who just suffered from the recent war's nightmares.


To be continued...

3rd, DAVE 2
I imagine there's no African-American politician to carry the Democratic presidential banner that would satisfy you. And no doubt, because we finally have one, his race is magnified to people like you.

Let me ask you, do you think there's a significant difference between the political ideologies of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, or John Edwards. Of course not. Now what if one of the other three was the democratic presidential nominee. Sure, you'd still view them as scumbags. But while they would expouse virtually the same platform as Obama, at least they'd be white scumbags, and you'd never mention race.

And after 200 plus years of white, male and Christian affiliated presidents, how can you not understand why other demographics would celebrate a commander-in-chief reflecting their demographic. Do you think women wouldn't have received satisfaction from a Hillary Clinton presidency. Maybe you think Jews wouldn't celebrate if one of their own was elected. If George W. Bush's legacy giving him the presidency didn't anger you (and it may have, but it didn't anger enough people), then the unproven perception of Obama's color aiding him shouldn't either.

Finally, if you vote against Obama because his politics are too liberal, that's fair game. If you despise him because his middle name is Hussein, or you think he's part of a Muslim plot to bring America down from within, then you're a intellectual lightweight who shouldn't be allowed to vote.

OLBERMANN ROCKS

P. S. The same way my perception of a person isn't derived from whether they like Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh, my moniker shouldn't close your mind to the person I am, or may be.

Jackson, O'Reilly, and pop culture #2
Continuation.

But historically, it seems the Black movement for equal rights started earlier: with Jackie Robinson's 'riot' in 1944, 15-year old student Claudette Colvin who refused to give up her bus seat to an elderly white man in 1955 and civil rights activist Rosa Parks whose action in the same 1955 actually initiated the wide Civil Rights Movement headed by MLK.

Jessie Jackson perfectly blended with that movement and played a significant role in forcing industries to keep equal rights for colored minorities.

But now, when the race problem has shrunk to single flashes of racism, and the ideal of mass-equality has been sculptured in a shape of Political Correctness and Affirmative Action, the Jackson's role has transformed to kidnapping and racketeering of unions and he became nothing but an atavistic monument to that movement.

That's why he is being devoured by ENVY.

Jackson's language was always a fruit of certain social environment characterized by a specific level of education and self-consciousness opposed to all surrounding areas. And a very significant part of that 'culture' was derogatory and dirty vocabulary manifesting disdain based on envy.
It's very unlikely he is able to control his language since it's his natural part.

Whether it's good or bad - different answers from different social layers.
Today, our society isn't able to produce a unified answer.

As for O'Reilly, he is a perfect example of how a cancer cell of narcissism developed within 10 years into a heavy disease with metastases.
He is now a monument with an inscription:
Here lies the Cultural Warrior.
Rest in peace...
From those who loved you many years
Why you abandoned us?

Some say they saw him gently masturbating under his table when he shows hot pictures...
Does it mean, he simulated his death and changed the name?

-:) -:) -:) -:) -:) -:) -:) -:) -:) -:)

Jim et al
Very good points!

I hired a young black man a few years ago as a computer technician. I was very impressed with his work ethic and knowledge. He invited me and my family to a Church picnic where his Father was the pastor.

Me and mine were surprised that the event was actually a graduation celebration and the graduates complete with Caps, Gowns and graduation certificates were for those who had 'Graduated From Government Dependency'.

I went up to congratulate the graduates and one young lady was tearfully holding her certificate very close to her - I said congratulations and she responded "I worked really hard for this" choked with emotion all I could say was "I know you did".

We joined that Church and were members several years and saw the 'white' part of the congregation grow to about one third of the Church.

I learned quite a lot from these Patriotic Americans even though I am Scottish.

One of the mottos of the Church was 'If Someone does not like you because you are black - no sense in both of you having a problem'.

Retired Greek
No need in rereading your post. The highlights of my day are when people like me make points for people like you. Keep reading. I hope to make you look like a genius.

Also, If you don't waste your sympathy on me, I won't sympathize with your 20th (maybe 19th) century mindset in a 21st century world. It's best you stay retired.

OLBERMANN ROCKS.

Darick
Let me ask you, do you think there's a significant difference between the political ideologies of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, or John Edwards. Of course not.

Add John McCain to that list and we will agree on at least one thing.
And as for Obambi, he is an MT suit, a commie, and the fact that he attended a church of hate for 20 or so years that is my problem with him, not a thing to do with race.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

James Cone -> Mentor Wright -> Obama

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community.

If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.

The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.

What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal.

Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."
James Cone
New York's Union Theological Seminary

Mentor Wrights' theology is based on the teachings of James Cone.

"It was because of these newfound understandings (at Trinity under Wright) -- that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice...that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity...and be baptized." Barack Obama

Some Weasel??
I haven't watched O'Reilly in a few years. Not since I got the impression Mr Bill was no different than the TASS 'news reporters' from the days of the USSR.

O'Reilly should take a good look in the mirror to see what a weasel REALLY looks like.

And FoxNews, which since their UNABASHED BIAS FOR Rudy has lost their claim to being "Fair & Balanced" has now also given up the "We Report - You Decide" tagline for ALLOWING NEWS TO BE WITHHELD from their audience.


W/O=

Obama 23 years - Black Separatist Church
"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

"Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System."

darick
there is no politician representing the leftist/socialist agenda as advocating by the dim party would ever garner my support.

You allegation that repubs won't support black candidates is ludicrous. Had powell run I would have readily supported his canidacy.

I have stated other times that I think michael steele would be a viable candidate for a vp for mccain.

But it is the libs who keep bringing up the race issue. And b hussein himself climbs on the victim crosee when he intones that in case anyone hasn't noticed he is the black candidate.

But he could as readily make the claim to be a white candidate based on his mother's side. But as he has stated he joined wright's church to find his black identity. These sound like the words of a bigot who places race over other issues.

Paleocon
I agree 100% with what you said.

There is no hope for racism with bozos like the writer you were addressing and people like the Jacksons and Sharptons and Farrakhans of the world. Those people want to play the BLAME game forever and try to profit from "white guilt".

Well I hate that a system of slavery occurred here in our country, but it wasn't STARTED here. And neither I nor any of my family were slave owners nor were any of the people alive today slaves. LIVE IN THE PAST is their mantra. Honky must pay forever and ever and ever....

Darick
"Thanks for the correction concerning what I thought were different religious denominations"

Southern Baptists are one denomination. Protestants are many denominations.

> (and I AM taking your word for it).

Don't. Surf the 'Net or visit a library.

"However, you do realize what this means, don't you? That's right. THERE WAS NO DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS IN THOSE SMALL FARMING COMMUNITIES!!!!"

No, it means that you need to meet more people and learn more. Here I defer to Stan, whose 1:44 post nailed that point.

"Why did you feel the need to cite the population of your city?"

Because you dismissed the posters on this forum as crackers from the sticks.

"I had already stated in the same post that the previous statement concerning population wasn't fair."

So? You were right for once.

"Could you please list the people that use the word "honky" on a regular basis during a cogent, rational argument concerning race."

First, that's a metaphor. Not all racist expression involves the h-word. Examples: JJ's reference to "Hymietown," Andrew Young's excoriation of "smart-@ssed white boys," virtually everything from the mouth of Louis Farrakhan, the dozen-odd utterances of _white m*-f*_ directed at me weekly by people I don't know and can't list. . .Your initial post seems to fall into this category (in brief: Jesse Jackson may do anything he pleases, and all you white trash should shut up).

Second, "cogent, rational argument concerning race" is a rare commodity.

Third, if someone did use the h-word, the argument would cease to be cogent or rational.

"surely you can't argue that our trials and tribulations are a mere pittance compared to those of Jesse Jackson."

Jackson suffered in a noble cause. Many others suffered more. But they're not entitled to be race-baiters, extortionists, or jerks on that account.

Dave 2
Michael Steele.
Lost his run for Governor of Maryland to a lessor (Dem) candidate.

A perfect example of the black voter being so uninformed and so under the spell of their Dem Masters as to make their support for The Obamassiah seem logical.

It doesn't really matter what is best for them, who is the most capable or any host of logical criteria.
It is beginning(?) to look like all that matters to MOST blacks is that the Gravy-Train keeps a rolling. And the welfare, Affirmative-Action & all other handouts keep getting delivered by the Dem plantation owners.

Only when they finally see that not only are they giving up their dignity but they're being taken for granted by the Dem Masters will the black community look for alternatives.
Until then they'll just have to be happy sending their children to crappy schools, shopping once a month, etc.

W/O=

Darick
"Let's make a deal. Walk a mile in Jesse's shoes, and you'll be given the same latitude."

No, thanks. His shoes were in the wrong woman's bedroom.

Teach the tenant

Retired Geek Location: VA
Reply # 93
Date: Jul 20, 2008 - 3:47 PM EST
Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an
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Among the reasons I like to read Retired Geek, is that it is amazing to find someone from the computer business who makes sense. I sure hope that he used some common sense while writing or supervising programs. That would make him almost unique. I was making my salary in computers, long before Gates, or Jobs were born. They both made the money, I had the fun, traveling with my Sweetie.

We bought a couple of apartment building, renovated them, then traveled with the profit.

The point to all of this was, that when we had finished renovating — new carpet, drapes, new paint, cabinets and bathroom all in perfect condition — when the tenant moved back into their previous unit, they were shocked, they didn’t know how to live in those conditions. Most had never lived in such a place, and some had never even visited in a clean, excellent conditions.

Some could not resist damaging the surroundings, because in the past it never mattered. Such things as tearing off cabinet knobs to use for whatever, just seemed like the thing to do. After we terminated a few of the trouble makes, others finally got the message.

That is not an excuse for the ones how did the original damage at Grove Parc Plaza, but where was the apartment manager, where were the maintenance people, when the building first opened.

The tenants who moved into a wrecked apartment, had no reason, or no knowledge of living in a clear, repaired home. Like I said in #94, when they saw the damaged home, all they knew was to damage some more.


THE CYNICISM RETIRED GREEK
Retired Greek's condescending attempt at paying homage to black people (4:09 p. m.) in his post above is indicative of why republicans continue to struggle with the votes of blacks, Jews, Hispanics, and women, particularly single women.

If he's really retired, I assume he's seen many years. And from his many years of wisdom, the black people he chooses to praise are ones graduating from welfare. Heavens knows it hard to find middle class black people who own homes and never received government subsidies.

Or maybe homage isn't paid to these hardworking black people because, in spite of being productive members of society, they don't drink the republican kool-aid.

Now Greek, I know we've gotten off to a bad start. But if you'd be kind enough to grace my presence for an afternoon, I can amaze you with visits to black churches, functions, or individual homes of hardworking, family oriented (yes, two parents) African Americans that would greet you like you're a rockstar. It may give you a different type of "black" person to pay homage to.

But I warn you, most of these people will probably vote for Barack Obama come November. So despite the fact that politics may never come up and they will treat you well, you still may leave not liking them.

OLBERMANN ROCKS.

OLBERMANN has ROCKS


Darick Location: AR
Reply # 111
Date: Jul 20, 2008 - 4:56 PM EST

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Would you please write a complete sentence, these partial thought just don’t make it.

What you meant to write I am sure is, “OLBERMANN has ROCKS in his head.”

But did you ever notice that the small amount of “gray” he had in his head, keep leaking out in differing amounts. Maybe he needs a hairdresser, so that the Gray looks almost the same from day to day.

Derrick, I must say, what the few who watch him, say over and over, “OLBERMANN, today's worse person in the world!”


Dave 2
If you say you would support Colin Powell, I'll take your word for it. But you do realize Powell supports affirmative action and is pro choice, don't you?

Anyway, saying you or conservatives would support a black candidate deals in the hypothetical. The names of black democrats holding national public offices are numerous. Where are the black candidates holding office through conservative support? Give me evidence that conservatives really support black candidates.

And Dave, it's hard for race (or diversity) to be an election issue when both candidates are constantly white, male, and Christian. Well, it's different this year. But the race issue is not one-sided. On this site, Obama's middle name, race, and alleged Islamic affiliation are mentioned much more than his political platform. Now, how could you not admit that emphasizing the name "Huessin" doesn't carry anti-semetic connotations?

OLBERMANN ROCKS

Darick
Black Americans have voted Democrat at about a 90% rate for sometime. I doubt that rate changes in this election.

Jesse Jackson: Jackson was the featured prime time speaker at the 2000 Democrat Convention. Jackson has a history of using anti-Semitic slurs and derogatorily calling New York City “Hymietown.” Jackson, a prominent self proclaimed "civil rights leader," is himself guilty of the same bigotry he dishonestly purports to oppose.

"The most hideous schemes are being put forth now in the name of conservatism," railed Jesse Jackson, the man who added "Hymietown" to our lexicon. "If this were Germany, we would call it fascism. If this were South Africa, we would call it racism. Here we call it conservatism."

Nobody hissed with disapproval when Jesse Jackson, miffed at a Supreme Court decision, declared that the justices were "paving the way back toward slavery."

Jesse Jackson, irked by a Supreme Court decision, likened the conservative justices to Ku Klux Klan arsonists: ''At night, the enemies of civil rights strike in white sheets, burning churches. By day, they strike in black robes.''

But nobody drew more savage abuse in 1996 than black conservatives -- usually at the hands of black liberals. Ward Connerly, chairman of California's Proposition 209 campaign to abolish race and gender quotas in state government, was routinely called an ''Uncle Tom'' and a ''traitor'' by the defenders of quotas. ''He's married to a white woman,'' hissed state Sen. Diane Watson of Los Angeles. ''He wants to be white.'' The Oakland Tribune depicted him in a cartoon as the proprietor of ''Connerly & Co./ Ethnic Cleansers'' -- with a Klansman's robe hanging in the window.

Man,
SNLAFU
Situation Normal Lib All Fracked Up. No matter how much we say we are not, we are always going to be racist to libs. Does not matter if we have blacks we want as leaders, does not matter if we have black friends who stand on their own two feet to take care of their own, and it does not matter if we point out Obambi is a commie and that is why we don’t like him, we are still racist.
Funny, but I don’t feel like a racist, never will.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Jim
If Jesse's shoes were in the wrong woman's bedroom, I suppose Newt Gingrich, Rudy Guliani, Henry Hyde, and David Vitter have already worn them. Too bad they weren't in the wrong man's bedroom. He could have then loaned them to Larry Craig and Ted Haggart.

And old K. O. needs no defending. I can't wait until tomorrow night when Keith further exposes the Idiot-in-Chief presently occupying the White House. GO KEITH GO.

OLBERMANN ROCKS.

Darick your opinion on Frances Rice?

"Just coming to light are the sleazy facts about Obama's relationship and shady real estate deal with Antoin "Tony" Rezko, the Arab-American fundraiser and immigrant from Syria.

Rezko has been a friend of Obama's since his days at Harvard, and Rezko was recently indicted for corruption, found guilty and sent to prison.

We ignore the stench of corruption that surrounds Obama at our peril.

"As citizens, we must ask ourselves whether Obama has the character and judgment to be our president. Unfortunately, the answer is no."

Frances Rice
Black Female Conservative
Retired Army Colonel
Gifted Lawyer


Frances Rice on Katrina 1

"To their eternal shame, Democrats used the tragedy caused by Hurricane Katrina for their own partisan political gain.

While criticizing President Bush, Democrats turned a blind eye to the failures of the Democrats running the city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana.

The black Democrat officials in New Orleans did not execute the emergency evacuation plan and allowed over 1,000 school buses and city transit buses to stay in parking lots and become ruined by the flood."

Frances Rice
Black Female Conservative
Reired Army Colonel
Gifted Lawyer

Darick Opinion on Frances Rice
continued remarks by Frances Rice
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"Further, the Posse Comitatus Act passed by Congress in 1878 prevents a president from sending federal troops to a state without the governor’s consent.

The Democrat governor of Louisiana, a white woman, refused to cooperate with President Bush when the president asked for her consent to begin a mandatory evacuation four days before the storm.

The Democrats in the Louisiana homeland security office also refused to let the Red Cross bring truckloads of food, water and supplies to the Superdome.

Since 1980, Louisiana emergency personnel knew that the levees in New Orleans would not withstand a category 3 or 4 hurricane. Yet, the Democrats in Congress filibustered President Bush’s energy bill which was introduced in 2001 and contained $540 million for repairing the levees in New Orleans."

Frances Rice
Black Female Conservative
Retired Army Colonel
Gifted Lawyer

How small Can a Person be?
Being Black = being part of a minority
Watching MSNBC = Being in a small minority
Watching Hardball = an even smaller minority
Liking Olbermann = being in a miniscule minority

so Darick = being a member of a minority, minority, minority, minority!!

YET when he votes in the minority come November he'll be surprised & scream racism! Go Figure.


W/O=

Retired Greek
Jackson used the term "hymietown" one time in 1988 and immediately apologized. If you're saying the term was inappropriate, we're in complete agreement. The other statements attributed to him are certainly overzealous, but then again, if I personally saw women and children being bitten by attack dogs, sprayed with water hoses, and lynched and blown up with bombs, its quite likely my passion would be overzealous.

We part ways when you insinuate that the above statements are indicative of a life filled with honor, heroism, and leadership.

And R. G., the statements you attribute to Jackson are no worse than the posts on this cite accusing Obama of being a Muslim conspiracist intent on bringing down the U. S.
And I won't even name past statements that can be attributed to conservative stalwarts Phill Gramm, Jesse Helms, and Strum Thurmond. Your selective outrage would probably render the statements harmless.

jim

I entered the computer industry initially as a hobby.

I am a person who thinks my greatest strength is problem solving.

At age 40 I decided to change professions as a technical person in broadcast television.

I looked at two industries that I thought would be around twenty years or so - computers and medicine.

I decided the computer industry had more problems and that is why I chose that industry.

I felt like I asked for an ice cream cone and was given the store.

I started out programming and ended up in computer forensics.

Not very exciting but paid the bills until retirement.

darick
the dims have long painted the repubs as the party of racists. Race baiters such as sharpton and je$$e have long called any blacks who support repubs as traitors to the black cause.

The dims have long felt they own the black vote and the blacks have acted as though they are in fact owned by their long allegiance to the party that has done the most to keep them tied to the dims plantation of entitlement.

Two of america's leading economists, thomas sowell and walter williams, who happen to be black, frequently rail against the dims and how their policies have adversely affected americans in general and blacks in particular.

The early critism of b hussein came from the black community who raised the question was he black enougn for the blacks to support in the election.

But it remains the dims who believe that blacks are incapable of accomplishing anything without the guidance of their party. But it is also the dims who oppose school choice and continue to make sure that black students in failing school districts are forced to stay there. B hussein in his allegiance to the teachers unions, opposes school vouchers although polls indicate the majority of blacks favor school vouchers.

Obviously you fail to fully understand conservs. We honor success no matter who achieves it. But how does anyone achieve success without attaining even a basic education.

Yet in the school districts in large cities only 30% of blacks graduate. It is difficult to rise above even marginal employment with that kind of background yet that is what the dims have produced over the years and that is what b hussein has endorsed with his allegiance to the unions.

But then again for generations all blacks have meant to the dims is their votes and blacks remain too stupid to see they are being used or else are satified with being chumps for the dims

Darick
And old K. O. needs no defending. I can't wait until tomorrow night when Keith further exposes the Idiot-in-Chief presently occupying the White House. GO KEITH GO.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA I KNEW IT!
BDS BDS BDS BDS Always rears its ugly head.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Darick last post

Simplicity excuses bad behavior by citing other bad behavior. This is sometimes termed moral equivalency.

I say bad behavior has no excuse no matter who exhibits bad behavior.

Everyone makes mistakes in judgment but repeated bad behavior indicates character flaws.

Dr. King stated we should judge someone by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

Yet whenever anyone uses what Dr. King admonished us to do it is termed racist.

When someone judges me by the color of my skin instead of my character they are a racist.

I am not judging Obama by the color of his skin but by his Marxist ideology and naievety. I would feel safer if we held a National lottery and whomever won was President instead of this confused naive kid.

Retired Greek
I'll be honest. I have no idea who Frances Rice is. But once again, you've found that needle in a haystack and start implying that this is a "good" black person. Maybe she will do a piece of McCain's close lobbying ties, and ask that he step down.

Maybe she'll rail against Bush and Cheney's suspicious haliburton ties and demand they resign there offices.

The next column could be about the Bush aid selling access to administration officials in return for contributions to the Bush presidential library. She could demand that someone resign.

If we ever have another presidential nominee (democrat or republican) without some close ties to a shady figure or organization, that would be a miracle in itself.

Darick
Here ya go. And there is a link on that page where she explains why Dr. King was a Republican

http://www.humanevents.com/search.php?author_name=Frances+ Rice


Retired Greek
Now we're talking. If Obama is to be judged by his character, why the emphasis on the name "hussein" and all the negative connotations that come with it. Why the fervent attempts to associate him with Islam when there's not a shred of evidence to imply that he's anything but a self professed Christian. I'm not saying you do it, but far too many right wingers do. And regardless of how you spin it, the attacks are rooted in bigotry, anti-semetisim, and fear.


OLBERMANN ROCKS.

Darrick
To answer your question on which conservative he interrupts I present one Laura Ingraham. She has never finished a sentence on the Factor without telling Bill to "let me finish" first. He is the world's number one bloviator. O'Reilly interrupts everyone regardless of party affiliation. I agree with him more often than not but his penchant for interrupting the guest is tiring and causes me to flip the channel frequently.

DAVE 2
First, let me tell you where we agree. Public schools are a mess. Not because the administrations are corrupt, but because teachers don't receive enough support parents at home. If parents facilitate their child's educational experience, a child will learn regardless of where they attend school. Republicans can withhold funding, deny tenure, and fight the teaching unions, but the results will be the same, only less expensive.

Also, democrats do take blacks for granted. It's about the same way republicans take the evangelical vote and the southern vote for granted. Even Karl Rove new that southern evangelicals would be angrier at two men marrying each other than they would their sons and daughters dying in a manufactured war that's already on its 7th justification. To some degree, both sides drink the kool-aid. Next post I'll cite where we disagree.

darick
why not just add hypocrite to your postings. You hail the hater olberkreep for his attacks on the president as though that is something that really thrills you.

My guess is you are little more than a 20 something who has fallen under the charm of the empty resumed b hussein. Since his name is hussein exactly how is that somehow a racist attack.

Obviously you fully encaompass the victimhood mentality when any critisism is directed towards the new messiah, b hussein as proclaimed by the msm and fully accepted by hussein himself.

What you fail to fully understand is that many of us comment on the current situation. My guess is that most whites only think of blacks in terms of how many have allowed their lives top be ruined through the myriad of poor choices they have made and continue to make.

The other truth is that most of us are too busy getting on with our own lives to really pay any attention to those who have chosen to live a second class economic life when this is the land of opportunity.

But you obviously fail to understand the implications of the increased taxes b hussein wishes to put on working americans. In various taxes we pay some 42% of our wages in taxes. Under b hussein that figure could go up to 55% if all his spending and tax proposals are passed.

Further b hussein has no problem with the cost of gas going higher, his only regret was that it rose so fast. He remains just another out of touch elitist who fails to understand america but certainly understands being a victim when it is to his advantage but not when his p[olicies will make the country victims to his lack of understanding of economics


Bobbit
We'll have to agree to disagree on that. She certainly doesn't have to worry about being challenged. Perhaps you can name the conservatives that have fallin victim to his sactimonious rage. I cite plenty of liberals in an earlier post.

Also, could you name a liberal guest that sits in for him when he's absent. Machelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, Tony Snow, and John Kasiac are the only ones I've seen. I think it's safe to say that the above commentators would all be considered conservative.

OLBERMANN ROCKS

Darick
the attacks are rooted in bigotry


We talk about him going to a church that preaches hate for 20+ years and you think we are bigots?
I do not like his church.
I do not like his throwing people under buses.
I dang sure do not like his Marist ways.
I do not care if he is purple pokeadot in color.
Not that I am not racist against purple pokeadot people either.
I think that libs use that term far to often to shut people up.

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean


Dave 2
I was about to post reasons black people really vote republican, but I first caught site of your above post. I now realize it would be an exercise in futility.

I will say your assumption concerning my age is just as erroneous as your perception concerning my affinity for Obama. Don't get me wrong, I will vote for him come November. But when the opposition platform refuses to divert from the worst foreign policy disaster in U. S. history, I'm really left no choice.

It may be a tough choice for you, but American service personnel continuing to die on foreign soil in a manufactured war is a tad bit worse than two men kissing.

You may continue patronizing a whole group of people for their reasoning and ideology, and we will continue not giving a Rat's a&&.

OLBERMANN ROCKS.

Darick
but because teachers don't receive enough support parents at home.

Sorry, ain’t buying that one either. When my child started 7th in public school, I ask for a meeting with all her teachers because out of no where she was failing, so 3 out of 7 shows up.
I ask the assistant principle to ask the other 4 to show up the next day and the next day she claimed they were busy. I took my daughter around to the classes and guess what, they had left. Now these teachers only work from 7:15 AM until 2:30 PM. If they were that interested in the children, they would have shown up to help me get the problem fixed. This state like most others, will not fire teachers when they do not perform, for anything short of murder and that is sad.
The next day I took her to school and signed her out. Now that she goes to a private Christian school, it is back to A’s and B’s. But the failing schools are being closed this year (3 or 4 actually) I wonder if the children failing to pass has anything to do with it?

If you want to support people who ARE proud of their country:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseacti on=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

If you want to support people who are NOT proud of their country:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/688061/3111928/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean



Darick
You've been a busy little beaver today,haven't you? Got all your talking points down pat. Well,we've heard them all before...many times,even.

We're as far apart as the east is to the west. I believe conservatives are basically good,patriotic Americans.

We want smaller government and want it out of our business,our homes and want the same values we had before the 60's came along and liberals started trashing them.

It just so happens it was liberals who began to upset our moral compass. Good is bad now,and bad is good. Up is down and down is up.

I know you will not agree. Along with your refuting my statements,give me one thing conservative Republicans have done to cause the moral decay we see today.

You may not think our country is suffering morally and if that is your position,I know you will disagree with mine.

Olbermann is a bloviating blowhard. His rocks are in his head.He is a liberal who absolutes hates conservatives.

Also,his rant about Hillary Clinton was horrible to watch. I thought his head might explode. He may pay for that one day when the Clintons make a comeback....maybe sooner than we think....


darick
you are wring on 2 points. Whereas I think invading iraq was done with with less than full disclosure the point remains that we are there and how to extricate ourselves. The problem seems to be that bush wanted to do a good thing, that is removing a killing dictator from killing off more of his own people. But he thought the whole thing would be over in 6 months and the iraqi's would use the opportunity to run their own country. That alas did not happen and he tried to fight the war by not allowing the military to do the job they were trained for.

The second point is that whatever people chose to do in the privacy of their own homes is their business. As long as person are involved in activities that don't harm others or violates the law, such as molesting children people are free to do whatever to who they chose. But likewise I need not know the details as I don't care

Jesse giving "fornication face"!!!
That's the same face Jerkson gave Bill Cosby when the Coz told it like it is. He looks like he just chowed down on a feces sandwich and was told to like it.

-Ray

Don't pick on Jim - I said that.
And two wrongs don't make a right. I don't want to walk and their shoes, either.

"Why the fervent attempts to associate him with Islam when there's not a shred of evidence to imply that he's anything but a self professed Christian."

Why are you asking us? My understanding is that his dead-beat father was, and he was enrolled as a Muslim in two separate schools. If he was then and isn't now, he is fair game for the Muslim execution squads. He's safer if he wasn't or hides it.

What he is now is also suspect - the church he just disavowed is hardly conforming to orthodox Christian doctrine, and preaches hate. The pastor Wright is a Cone-head. Look up James Cone. If he managed to live under his acclaimed mentor Wright for 20-plus years without figuring that out, he is stupider than I thought - if not, he is a racist of the same evil stripe.

Either way, he's unqualified and a dangerous Marxist, plus a liar for constantly changing his positions. If he were not half white, he'd be mocked and laughed out of the race.

That you would call a man condescending after he tells you that he respected another man so much that he joined the same church makes you a racist.

All sin is born of pride. Prov. 16:18.

Oops - IN their shoes
.

Darick, it figures!
That he'd adore Keith Uberdouche on Countdown to NO Ratings.


-Ray

Rowly
No talking points. Just going straight from the heart. What have republicans done to lead to the moral decay of society? Nothing that I can think of. But really, neither have the democrats.

What's caused the moral decay that you refer to. Sheer numbers have something to do with it. Since 1950, the U. S. population has doubled. More people, more debauchary and crime. Let's also give technology its props in the cultural decline. With the internet and multi cable television programming, standards not acceptable before are now practiced regularly. Certainly out of wedlock births contribute to the problem, but regardless of how much you legislate, people will still be careless.

Finally, what about perception? Everything happening today happened in times past. Thomas Jefferson had a child by his slave. John Kennedy had numerous affairs. But reporters respected their right to privacy and we weren't concerned with whether our politicians messed around on the side. But that all changed with Bill Clinton, didn't it? And now, we don't just demand to know the sheganigans of famous people, we relish in it. That's the cost of progress, my friend.

And look it this way. The U. S. really just traded some moral flaws for other shortcomings. After all, no longer are people legally persecuted based on skin color, and women can go to the ballot box and engage in the democratic process. Yep. The end of Jim Crow laws and the immoral intimidation that came with it is worth being uncomfortable because the president had a sexual relation with his intern.

OLBERMANN ROCKS

ROWLY 2
I almost forgot, I can understand how you feel about Keith Olberman. I won't defend him. But there's no difference between him and Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh. Their tactics are very similiar. Now why do I feel that you love the latter as much as I love the former? I have my deranged political leaning shrill, and you have yours.

OLBERMANN ROCKS.

LAST POST (MAYBE) TO RICH. D.
First, you're understanding is wrong. Second, if Obama's father was such a deadbeat, his Muslim faith wouldn't have influenced Obama at all. And I'm afraid I've given many bloggers the wrong impression. If Obama is Muslim, I don't give a heck. I care about his ability to execute his executive duties in a manner that benefits all Americans, regardless of his religion.

Also, Jeremiah Wright's sermons are controversial, maybe even hateful. So are the teachings of John Hagee, Pat Robertson, and John Hagee. Republican candidates have never seemed to disavow them, have they. Did you have this same indignation when republican presidential candidates were clamouring to speak at the ultra racist Bob Jones University? I doubt it.

Finally, I didn't call Retired Greek condescending for joining his friend's mixed (not black, as you claim) church. I called him condescending because the example he gave of black people he admired involve the black people getting off welfare.

Tell me, would this statement be condescending to you? "I recently visited some white people I have great respect for. They all burned their confederate flags, and came to realize George W. Bush is a dope".


OLBERMANN ROCKS

BTW, being called a racist from someone like you is a badge of honor.

Darick
I just finished an excellent book by Dr. Thomas Sowell. It's called "Black Rednecks and White Liberals."

I'd highly recommend it. Dr. Sowell is a fellow at the Hoover Institute, Stanford University.

Be careful, though, it'll shoot holes all in your talking points...

MLK Didn't TRUST Jesse
At least that's what I heard this past week from a 'new age' civil rights advocate.
According to this man, Ralph Abernathy told him that Rev King didn't trust Jesse Jackson and thought he was "bad for the civil rights movement in general".
This same man says Jesse Jackson dipped his hand in the pooled blood after MLK had been removed from the shooting scene in Memphis and then smeared the blood on his shirt. Later he used the shirt as a prop to show "how close to Rev King he was"...

I have no reason to doubt any of it, especially after years of watching Jackson line his own pockets at the expense of those of his race.


W/O=

Darick...one more time...
by the way, what do you want anyway?

- a "level" playing field?
- "privacy?"
- "You got yours, now I get to have mine?"
- "Rob from the rich and give to the poor?"
- "Get out of Iraq at all costs?"

Do you honestly think you're going to persuade someone that doesn't agree with you to come over to your side? Why even bother to post here, anyway?

You certainly won't persuade me...

Jesse's shoes?


Darick Location: AR
Reply # 116
Date: Jul 20, 2008 - 5:31 PM EST
Subject: Jim
You said: If Jesse's shoes were in the wrong woman's bedroom,
---
Why is that under my name, I never said anything like that.
----------

But finally something we agree on.

GO KEITH GO.

Immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The sooner the better.

I got in the Computer business also

Retired Geek Location: VA
Reply # 122
Date: Jul 20, 2008 - 5:51 PM EST
Subject: jim
You said: I entered the computer industry initially as a hobby.
-------------

I say: I made up my mind to enter the not-yet-called computer industry when I determined that if I could get a job working with IBM equipment, I would be in an office environment, but would not need to strain my eyes, as in so many office jobs. That was certainly true, but how was I smart enough to determine that?
---------
You said: At age 40 I decided to change professions as a technical person in broadcast television.

Me: Well at age of about 20 I did exactly the same thing in Chicago. I visited TV stations, and didn’t like what I saw, especially the people involved. (My son-in-law is a VP at a cable-TV network, been there 25 or 30 years.)

I got called back to the Army, at Ft. Monmouth, NJ, I was given a key to the building, I spent nights and weekends learning all I could about IBM machines, before IBM computers existed.

The IBM engineer knew he must come to the building early each Monday morning to repair any problems I had caused over the weekend.
-----

Since my total formal education, two years of High School in the mid '40s, included milking 50 cows morning and night, I believe my extensive knowledge of computers, in the early '50s, resulted from 50 professors teaching me well. Those 50 “ladies” were really Professors dressed as “Drag Queens.”

Ten years later I was teaching rooms full of Phds all about computers, and later I taught NASA how to put the men on the moon, and everyone got there and back!! So there.

Geek, did you read http://www.travel-tidbits.com/tidbits/003673.shtml

one nation, indivisible


I wrote the following in one of my books, years ago.
---
When people say the US is “…one nation, indivisible …” consider the few similarities and the many differences between the Maine lobster trapper and his home and way of life, with the cowboy in Montana, and with the people who live on the mountain-side above Beverly Hills in Southern California!

Not major differences that would make the people incompatible and contentious, but a shade of difference, that adds character and interest to both the people and their land.

The US is “… one nation, indivisible … ” with many differences!


Change must come by example.

Dave 2 Location: OH
Reply # 138
Date: Jul 20, 2008 - 7:25 PM EST
You said: … … bush wanted to do a good thing, that is removing a killing dictator from killing off more of his own people.
----
I say: We must never try to change anyone's culture, including Government, by force. Change must come by example.

We show how great our country is, then if we give anyone an Invitation to our country, after 5 or 10 years, back they go to whence they came, to use what they learned here, to change their own culture and government.


It's the Demorats


Darick Location: AR
Reply # 143
Date: Jul 20, 2008 - 8:03 PM EST
Rowly
You said: done to lead to the moral decay … But really, neither have the democrats.

I say: Except the vast majority of the education and the entertainment industry are demorats. And those two industries are the way a culture is developed and changed.


Demorat Hate Machine.

Darick Location: AR
Reply # 144
Date: Jul 20, 2008 - 8:09 PM EST
Subject: ROWLY 2
You said: …… Keith Olberman. ……no difference between him and Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh.

----------

I say: I listen to Stupidman, because that is the way to learn the type of Hate pushed by the Demorat Hate Machine.

I don’t listen to Sean or Rush, but not because I agree with them.

Listening to them is like talking to the mirror, they just repeat what I have known and believed for decades, before either were born.


Darick
So Darick,you don't thnk Democrats have been the cause of the moral decay? Ok. That's your opinion.

You cited out of wedlock birth. If the mothers and fathers had to work and pay for these children,don't you think it would stop?

When something is subsidized,there is more of it. Most married parents limit their families because it is so expensive to rear them.

Unmarrieds do not worry about having six or seven children,since they are taken care of financially by the government,thanks to liberal policies.

There is no father figure in the home,even if they knew who the father was,because money would be lessened .

There are many other programs liberals have started that is nothing more than a way to buy votes,but it has caused many problems.

How much time will be...
spent on the missing/concealed/revealed word? Jesse Jackson has voiced himself before, more publicly and explicitly than his slur on Obama.
Clearly, Jesse's taking it pretty hard that his race-hustling days could be comming to an end. I think that's his problem. He may be worried that those checks could stop rolling in, now that a man of color has a good chance to become President.
Now, we have a journalist, Ms. Saunders, making a bigger deal out of it than necessary. Yep, if it bleeds, it reads!
How important is it to have "that" word specified? We all now know it was negative, in poor taste, Jesse's been chastised, and the matter's been beat to death. Case closed.

Overstepping the truth, but liberals are
like that...


Darick: "Thomas Jefferson had a child by his slave."

No - a male in his family, but not Jefferson himself. Most likely his brother Randolph. Jefferson was in DC.


Darick obsfucates again...1
Reply # 145 LAST POST (MAYBE) TO RICH. D.

Could I be so fortunate?…

You: "First, you're understanding is wrong.”

Prove it. And what about this from the LA Times?

‘A friendly but detailed report [4] in The Los Angeles Times last month confirmed that Obama was registered as a Muslim at both the Roman Catholic school and the public school he attended in Indonesia during his youth.’

You: “Second, if Obama's father was such a deadbeat, his Muslim faith wouldn't have influenced Obama at all."

False. A prominent mixed color movie star thanked her deadbeat black dad and ignored her "white" mother who got her to the successful position she was in. Psychologically, abandoned and abused kids still try to appease the one that hurts them. Look it up.

You: "I care about his ability to execute his executive duties in a manner that benefits all Americans, regardless of his religion."

Like voting "present" when the red phone rings? He's unqualified for executive duty, and you know it.

You: "Also, Jeremiah Wright's sermons are controversial, maybe even hateful."

Maybe? Go ahead - make excuses for the America hater and idiot who thinks that AIDS is a government plot.

You: "So are the teachings of John Hagee, Pat Robertson, and John Hagee."

Drinking too much and typing double?

(cont.)

Darick obsfucates again...2
You: "Republican candidates have never seemed to disavow them, have they."

If that is a question, where is the "?"? Anyway, I hate to have to do your research for you, but here it is:

“Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them,” McCain said in a statement Thursday. “I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well.”

“I have said I do not believe Senator Obama shares Reverend Wright’s extreme views. But let me also be clear, Reverend Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual adviser, and I did not attend his church for 20 years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today.“

Robertson is not McCain’s spiritual advisor and has not endorsed him. You are out of all of the loops, aren’t you? Do you always get others to do your homework for you?

You: "Did you have this same indignation when republican presidential candidates were clamouring to speak at the ultra racist Bob Jones University? I doubt it."

The University has two 501(c)(3) charitable organizations to provide scholarship assistance solely for minority students, and pays taxes. What’s ultra-racist besides you?

(cont.)

Darick obsfucates again...3 of 3
You: "Finally, I didn't call Retired Greek condescending for joining his friend's mixed (not black, as you claim) church."

You are dissembling. His whole post was on the subject of that church. And I never called it a "black" or any other church. I said:

RD: "That you would call a man condescending after he tells you that he respected another man so much that he joined the same church makes you a racist."

You "I called him condescending because the example he gave of black people he admired involve the black people getting off welfare."

That is nuts - he admired the guy that he hired - that's why he went to the church.

RG: "I hired a young black man a few years ago as a computer technician. I was very impressed with his work ethic and knowledge."

And were the members of the church also condescending to give a ceremony for those people? You make the condescending assumption that all of the graduates were back. That's racist.

You: "Tell me, would this statement be condescending to you? "I recently visited some white people I have great respect for. They all burned their confederate flags, and came to realize George W. Bush is a dope"."

No - it's just silly. The KKK Confederates were all Democrats and your conclusion is a non sequitur no matter what names you substitute.

You: "BTW, being called a racist from someone like you is a badge of honor."

Enjoy it then, racist - it's the only honor you'll ever get from me until you change.

BTW – there is only one race that I care about – the human race, and I’m not “white”. All color distinctions are specious and meaningless.

Jim
I remember the Bendix G10 and drum memories. long before JCL. I still have my own business writing custom software.

Sally Hemmings not just a slave.
She was not a field hand or a drudge. She was a wedding gift from TJ's father in law. His father in law in fact had sired Sally and there was a shocking resemblance between her and Mrs. Jefferson. Both TJ and Sally were supposedly inconsolable for a long time after his wifes' untimely death.

It is not inconceivable that while Randolph is the more likely father of Sally's child that TJ and Sally "took up" with eath other for some time as well. From what I've read she was a younger slightly dusky version of TJ's wife in appearance.

If it was an indiscretion then that's ALL it was. The PC trolls would have us believe that TJ was running his place like something out of "Mandingo".

Those who need an education on southern matters would to well to read "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the South". For one thing the sanctimonious Yankees in Boston may have started the Revolution and other in Philly kept it going but it was WON in the South. I don't just mean Yorktown either.

-Ray

Massa Jesse Jackson.....
....has had several things going for him that made him a multi-millionaire:

An enabling and thus very liberal main stream media.

Timid and fearful corporations.

An enormous, self-destructive and willfully ignorant black following that validates The Bell Curve, and doesn't mind being used.

Prime membership in one of our country's protected groups where double standards are the norm.

The complete absence of shame.

He couldn't help but "get paid". Jesse Jackson isn't stupid. He has millions he counts on being stupid, and they come through.

As a side note, O'Reilly said: "I'm not in the business of hurting Jesse Jackson -- because it does hurt Jesse Jackson".

But it looks like Bill is in the business of protecting Jesse Jackson.

To Bill; Jackson was in the process of hurting himself. Despots always self-destruct. Grant him that freedom, sir.


Hole in One for the Pro!!!
Rush always says "When your enemy is bent on self destruction just stand back and let it happen!" GOOD advice Re: Jerkson, O'Vomit, Sharpton et al.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Darick or whatever
you end your posts with two telling words
"Olberman"- an idiot who specializes in being offended-and the WORST sportscaster ever.
And "rocks"- of interest to other idiots .
Thanks for the heads up - it saves time, no need to read any further posts
Ugghhhhhh

Notice...
ONLY a conservative will hold another accountable, for his/her actions!
Can anyone produce a liberal that would do the same?

darick
I mistakenly read another of your posts without seeing the author - but when I came across the following I checked -and you didn't disappoint

post "84" I believe:
Maybe she'll rail against Bush and Cheney's suspicious haliburton ties and demand they resign there offices.

It's THEIR offices goober--it would help if you could spell your arguments.

O'Reilly cops out on Jackson comments
Color me angry at Bill O'Reilly for doing much the same thing that the likes of "Ran Dather" used to do on "CB-S". O'Reilly, in my opinion, lost some credibility with the "We report; you decide" mantra. Boo, hiss, Bill.

JACKSON COMMENTS
DON IMUS GOT TAKEN BEHIND THE WOOD SHED AND TRASHED FOR HIS COMMENTS. JACKSON GETS LITTLE MORE THAN A FINGER WAGGLING.

WHITE GUILT IS STILL LINGERING AS A LEVERAGING MECHANISM FOR THE IDENTITY POLITIC CROWD. HOW MUCH LONGER DOES THE DOUBLE STANDARD EXIST.

O'REILLY IS A WIMP.
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