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Sunday, May 11, 2008
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
by Debra J. Saunders
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Months after the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten ran 12 mostly unflattering cartoons that depicted the Islamic prophet Muhammad on Sept. 30, 2005, mobs torched Danish embassies in Iran, Syria and Lebanon, and riots in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria led to the deaths of more than 100 people. Most American papers, including The Chronicle, ran stories about the controversy, but chose not to reprint the cartoons. Then-Chronicle Managing Editor Robert Rosenthal wrote, "We always weigh the value of the journalistic impact against the impact that publication might have as far as insulting or hurting certain groups. In this case, we described the cartoons and felt that was sufficient."

It was a controversy so complicated that it gave many opinion-makers -- including me -- pause.

On the one hand, any newspaper person will defend and must defend the right to run a cartoon that offends people. The day we fail to run opinion lest we offend anyone, we should pack it up.

On the other hand, newspapers regularly exercise self-censorship. If I were an opinion page editor, I would not run a cartoon that gratuitously insults members of any religion. When you offend people's sensibilities -- and I seem to do so every week -- at least you should do so to make a larger point. The Danish cartoons seemed the journalistic equivalent of waving a red flag in front of a bull.

And bad manners, really. I've seen too many pundits express snide and ignorant opinions about devout Christians, who believe they are the one group whom the media can freely and unfairly stereotype.

With that attitude, I agreed to meet with Flemming Rose, the Jyllands-Posten editor who ran the cartoons, after he spoke at Stanford University last week.

I emerged from that meeting righteous in the belief that we in the media ought to be a little less concerned with Rose's manners and far more concerned about those who seek to intimidate and silence those who express opinions they don't like.

This February, Danish authorities arrested three men for plotting to behead cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, who drew a cartoon depicting Muhammad wearing a bomb as a turban. In solidarity, two years after the 2006 riots, 17 Danish newspapers reprinted the cartoon.

Rose noted that the plot to kill the cartoonist proved the cartoonist's point: "They are basically saying, 'If you say we are violent, we are going to kill you.'"

The violent murder in 2004 of Theo van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker critical of Islam, by a radical Muslim sent a chill across Europe. In Denmark, a children's writer of a book on Muhammad was turned down by three illustrators, a fourth would take the job only anonymously. A Danish comedian told the Jyllands-Posten that he would urinate on the Bible, but dared not do likewise on the Quran.

Rose was bothered at what he believed was European self-censorship fueled by fear and political correctness. After working as a foreign correspondent in the Soviet Union, he had developed a strong distaste for any law that mirrors Soviet laws that criminalized dissent.

In response, Rose contacted members of the Danish cartoonists union to "draw Muhammad as they see him" to counter "a slippery slope where no one can tell how the self-censorship will end."

Now people look at the Danish cartoons and blithely pronounce that Jyllands-Posten should have known that violence would follow.

In fact, while the paper ran the cartoons in September 2005, violence did not erupt until 2006, after two imams toured the Middle East and disseminated not only the original cartoons, but also three more offensive images, including a photo from a French pig-squealing contest. Blame the men who set out to stoke Islamic outrage for igniting the flames that followed and the violence that claimed so many innocent lives.

As for European critics who say he is Islamophobic, Rose responded that some Europeans believe "you shouldn't offend Muslims because they are so weak, they are so immature, they are such a different kind of minority, that if you treat them like everybody else, they will go wild."

To Rose, who has been highly critical of the "victim-ology" practiced by radical imams living in Europe, the belief that criticizing Muhammad is incendiary is Islamophobic.

Rose warned against newspapers giving into intimidation by loudmouths who want to quash dissenting opinions.

"If you give into intimidation, you will not get less intimidation, you will get more intimidation."

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Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
quote:
When you offend people's sensibilities -- and I seem to do so every week -- at least you should do so to make a larger point. The Danish cartoons seemed the journalistic equivalent of waving a red flag in front of a bull.
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I think nothing exists that could make a stronger point than this cartoon did.

There are no moderate muslims, and they do not respect the basic liberties in the west.
They are not coming to adapt, they are coming to force their religion on all.
And nothing could make that point any stronger than the cartoon did and now the death threats over a stupid cartoon.


Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
The palestinians I've met are all easily intimidated and weak. Even in gangs.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
It is quite apparent that the Imams are the problem. Quite some time after the pictures had been printed they went about stirring up the people to riot. Prior to that they had been ignored as just pictures of some people's idea of Mohammud. Their desire to cause trouble they added some pictures of their own which had not even been published. It is apparent to me that if Islam could get rid of the Imams who desire to inflame people to riot Islam would not have the bad name that it has been getting for the past few years. It appears to be another case of "absolute power absolutely corrupts".

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
It has long struck me as insane that nominally free peoples, confronted with a savage, intolerant, and violent minority, should freely choose to treat that minority with kid gloves.

People who riot over a cartoon are not worthy of inclusion in the lands of the civilized. They should be treated like any other destructive creatures: they should either be exterminated, or confined where they can do no harm except to one another. If there are yet problems of methodology to be solved, then that's where our attention and energies should go.

Flemming Rose and the Danish people are waking up slightly ahead of the rest of us. Whether we'll attain the clarity required to follow them is unclear. But the fate of freedom might depend on it.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
It's really pretty simple - you publish the pictures, you insult islam, you baptize a muslim convert as Pope Benedict XVI did in public, you make remarks such as the Pope made at Regensburg a few years ago - you die. Violently

To the best of my knowledge there was no US publication that actually printed the cartoons. With ONE exception they all said that their decision was made so as not to offend muslim sensibilities. The one publication (to my knowledge) was The Boston Phoenix. Google the Phoenix and go to their archives and read their editorial of February 10, 2006.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
What kind of a mindset condones, even encourages, this behavior...the killing of cartoonists and filmmakers whose work is critical of this "great and peaceful religion?"

And what kind of a mindset within the Bush Administration would want to sacrifice our finest, loot our treasury, to "democratize" a people imbued with such a mindset and beliefs?

Drudge reported today that in Basra, an Iraqi fathered had beaten his daughter to death because she had an "infatuation" with a British soldier.

It was not sexual...and even it it was, so what?

The girl was only 17.

The father said it was an "honor killing". And he was proud of what he had done.

Since January in Basra alone, there have been at least 30 honor killings, and probably many, many more.

The Iraqi police in Basra released the father, and PRAISED him for his actions.

And our finest are dying, sustaining horrific and life-long injuries in bringing "democracy" to these people, while our childrens' future will be mortgaged and burdened by the astronomical debt incurred in having to repay the many hundreds of billions, even trillions, of dollars this war will eventually cost.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Well, shooting fish in a barrel is easy. Islam is a joyless, legalistic, paranoid religion. Show me a religion and culture that can't laugh at itself and I'm heading the other way fast, with a bullet proof vest on.

Here's a test. Let all U.S. and European newspapers run about ten cartoons on: Christianity, Islam, and Judaeism. Let's document what happens. If Western culture is to survive, it cannot permit double standards. Either total censorship of all cartoons of all religions, or none. Let's just get real and see who wants to live together and who doesn't.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
"jerabaub" You say the war in Iraq will cost the US far too much money. But the reality is that the Iraqi war is only a tiny fraction of the total US debt. Some estimates put the US debt at over 60 trillion dollars, many thanks to our irresponsible legislators! Otherwise you are correct in assessing the inability of Islamic societies to assimilate democracy.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Funny, they don't seem to mind doing it when it comes to”art” demeaning Christ. I think, just like CNN in the gulf wars, they are all cowards and afraid they won't get their story.
Mainstream Newspapers, you can fill volumes with what you don't read in them, and most times, you do not want to read what they do print!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Recently, David Horowitz was caricatured, by the Islamic Student Union of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, as a Nazi soldier. I don't see Jews murdering the cartoonists responsible for that bit of journalistic childishness. I do see FREEDOM of the press being practiced at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (wish the students at UWM had the same respect for Freedom of Speech.)

This morning, Mother's Day morning, Fox News carried a rather lengthy interview with Bruce Burgess, writer and producer of 'Bloodline'; a fantasy depicting Jesus Christ as a mere mortal who fathered a son and whose body was removed from its tomb by Mary Magdeline. Father Jonathan, Fox contributor and Catholic priest, responded firmly to Burgess, but the Father did not threaten to murder Burgess.

Islamic response to modern day culture is predictable. The religion is over-sensitized by its own basic inadequacy. Islam cannot tolerate FREEDOM and liberty. To do so is to abdicate centuries of ignorance.

When your beliefs are based on the whim of a preacher du jour, the imam, there can be no consistent message of faith. Rabid obedience becomes the message. Yet, my God will have mercy on Islam. I, myself, am not that broadminded.




Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
"If you say we are violent, we are going to kill you."

"Hypocricy" anyone...?!

OHHHHHHhhhhh YEEEEAAAAHHHHHHhhhhh....

"Profblog" (#7), you suggestion has already occurred; one of many examples: The photo named "Piss Christ" by Serrano was published repeatedly and in many MANY U.S. publications. Didja see any murders, burnings, etc. because of it? Nope.

"Unveiling Islam" by Spencer is a wonderful book, as is "America Alone" by Steyn.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
50 years down the road, with Islamist populations taking over Europe what kind of a mess will we be in. Isn't it time to act. Europeans like to hide their heads in the sand and hope someone will save them. Bravely VAnGogh and Westergaard were trying to wake up their fellow citizens to the danger and loss of freedom they were facing. It was time to open up the can of worms, for the sake of the Islamic people and for the freedom of the world. Daily the problem is growing. What value would there have been in waiting for the problem to grow too large to handle. Every free person should see it as their duty to read the history of Islam and the Koran itself. You may feel that the Islamic people are not worth the trouble but neither were we. Most people will choose the better given the chance. A vast majority of Islamic fathers are not honor-killing their daughters. We can not judge millions of people based on a few examples of evil behavior.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
"We can not judge millions of people based on a few examples of evil behavior."

Of course not, but what the Muslims would like us to believe is that we are not allowed to judge any Muslim!

We need to judge individual people on individual behavior!


Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
.....POLITICAL CORRECTNESS combines the worst elements of COWARDICE & TYRANNY .....

.....REPLY#6/JERABAUB ...If the Green Gestapo would allow us to harvest our own natural resources of oil, gas and coal and to build nuclear power plants then we would not need American troops in the Middle East to protect one of our oil sources ...Americans who vote these lackeys of the Green Police into office need to make a choice .....COLOSSUS

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Cannot judge millions by the actions of one?

Yes you can.
All Germany was once judged by the actions of one man, Adolf Hitler.
All Russians were once judged by the actions of one man, Stalin.

All Christians are judged by ONE Man, Jesus Christ.
All muslims as judged by the man mohammed.
That is who they bow the knee to and accept his ideas and beliefs.

But, in America we recognize that all men are created equal before the Law and Civil Rights.
At least that is the idea once this Nation believed, no longer in deed, maybe lip service.

But every muslim on this planet can and is judged by what he believes in, established by one man and one only, the man mohammed.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
"Unveiling Islam" by Spencer is a wonderful book, as is "America Alone" by Steyn.

The author, Steyn, of the book "America Alone" has been summoned to appear before two Canadian judicial panels for hate crimes.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12162007/postopinion/editorials /canadas_thought_police_72483.htm

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
This is a very recent Indian view of Islam. Keep in mind their history...they have many bloody years of experience. The words resonate.

http://inthenow.blogtownhall.com/2008/05/06/islamophobia_-_ an_indian_perspective.thtml


Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Reply #16 writes: "The author, Steyn, of the book "America Alone" has been summoned to appear before two Canadian judicial panels for hate crimes."

AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO DEMONSTRATE EXACTLY JUST WHAT?!

You can go anytime to
http://www.steynonline.com
and look under the heading of
"CANADA vs FREE SPEECH"

if you want near-daily updates of this atrocity against the freedom of speech in Canada.

As the author of this article wrote as a subtitle: STAND UP TO INTIMIDATION.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Can anyone imagine and American or European going too Iran ,Syria Saudi A. acting like those Moslems in Europe .
You would be either beaten to death on the spot , stabbed or shot .
If your lucky you may only get 20 years in prison or lasty beheaded of course in the name of peace loving Allah while Millions will cheer your be heading . Your head will be shown on their Govt only TV .
Moslem terrorist have the knowledge of the Twenty first century and the minds and religion of the primitive dark ages of the 1200 AD .


Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
TOWN HALL TOOK MY LA RACE RIOTS AND THE DURHAN RAPE COMMENTS OFF THE BLOG .THEY ARE AFRAID OF BLACKS INTIMATION OBVIOUSLY .

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Town Hall is now as politically-corrected as any leftist forum on the planet. Hell, I believe they now have a list of "taboo" words which would fill The Library of Congress, and almost all of them under the heading of offending some minority or hyper-sensitive liberal.

OTOH, go to any leftist forum and you can say anything you want about conservatives and white Christian males, no matter how offensive or scurrilous. Always two sets of rules - one for them and one for us.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
mr rose is scheduled to go on trial in denmark for the cartoons. must be the enforcement of sharia law.
brigette bardot is once again being fined for her free expression in france that is against sharia law.
LIVING ON A THIN LINE.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
when i visit denmark, my wife was born in denmark and i was born in austria, i hear horror stories. once a safe city at any time of day or night, copenhagen is now having a higher crime rate fueled by 'youths committing crimes' as in france and the netherlands. our friend was mugged by the 'youth' of the city. youth means any age of muslim 'refugee' committing crimes. a crime against a christian is not a crime in sharia law.
outlaw pork, outlaw churches, outlaw christianity, outlaw women drivers, outlaw homosexuallity, all with penalty of beheading
according to the local imams, of whom the refugee population was fleeing?
adios,
harvey
lancaster, mexifornia
dial 1 for english

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
American newspapers should immediately STOP being limp-wristed handmaidens to Islam and Muslims in general.

Sadly our newspapers seem ashamed admitting the USA is a nation founded by predominately Christians, and others raised Christian, which is why the innate prerogatives of both our Declaration and Constitution are steeped in the Christian concepts of both the Old and New Testaments.

It sickens all conservative and patriotic Americans that our newspapers got down on their knees and sucked up to the Muslims by not printing the Danish cartoons. (Pun intended.)

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
This point has been made before but it's worth repeating. Anybody who blows up an abortion clinic or a Priest that molests a kid should go to jail for the crime committed.

It's besides the point that I'm a conservative Catholic. You can't move the goal posts because somebody is "on your team." Muslims should condemn those that break the law - it's too simple.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Having been following the goings on with Islam since 9/12/01, I often take it for granted that others are following events too. Obviously, I should not make such a mistake--even with journalists who are supposed to know what's going on in the world. I'm only a woman with a computer and Internet access, and I know more than I ever wanted to know about Islam and its threat to the West.

As part of the blogging counter-jihad, I followed this story of the Danish cartoons from day one. Therefore, the content of this article (Rose's explanation) is not any stranger to me.

From the very beginning of the cartoonifada, the Western media missed the point of the Danish cartoons, which were, by the way, amplified and changed by an imam in the Middle East by hateful cartoons not penned by the Danish cartoonists. The furor in the Muslim world erupted well after the cartoons were first published.

This Muslim umbrage is all about pushing the West into a state of dhimmitude. Every time we cave into their demands--even down to censoring and self-censoring, we further embolden political and militant Muslims. We are not going to gain their respect by pandering to their ever-increasing demands.

The importance of the Danish cartoons comes down to the following: Will the West stand up for freedom of the press or not? If not, we're going to lose our way of life.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Carlos, I am also a devout Catholic, and for what it's worth, Hispanic as well. I'm confident it hasn't escaped your attention that the MSM can't get enough of sexual abuse stories where the Catholic church is the focus of attention. Further, whenever they see an opportunity to slam Catholics on the abortion issue, they're all over that one, too - like white on rice.

However, you'll further note that any negative news about Islam, no matter how heinous the crime or serious the event, is invariably ignored or found on page 78 of the NYT.

It's easy to ridicule and insult Christians and Mormons and Catholics, even fashionable one might say, but these hypocritical cowards would never dare pull this same crap on Muslims. And no better example of this exists than this "brave" Hollywood crowd making "The DaVinci Code."

Can anyone even begin to imagine what would happen to these hypocrites if they made a similar movei about Islam called, say, "The Mohammed Code?" These actors and producers would literally be hunted down under a Fatwah and killed, and their families killed, and their homes and studios burned to the ground. That's what would happen, and they daamn well know it.

So forward and onward! Let's nail the Catholics and Christians and Mormons! That way we'll be sure we still have a "head" about us! Hee hee.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
Is it just me, or does anyone else dislike the re-deisgn of the comment page? I wrote to a contact I have at TH, and let him know about this, but I'd like to get your feedback. So, if you don't like what TH has done, please write and let me know how you feel, so I can foward your comments on to TH.

Don't Kill "The Cartoonist": Stand Up to Intimidation
What is with these Imams? They come of like little Muhammeds running around unhinged, I guess when you have to marry twelve year olds things can get down right pedophilic, especially if you're "drawn" that way.
The cartoon's conveyed exactly what it's originator's and us here in the west know as an absolute certainty Islam is extremely violent.

I also prefer the previous
comment page.

Muslim Intimidation
Stand up, stand down or stand alone, no action will be taken against Islamist intimidation and extremism. The new politically correct approach to those of the Muslim faith is to "accomodate" them.

From foot washing stations to special segregated gym classes for Muslim women, we bow to their demands that we respect their religious traditions. Only problem is, should we demand the same from them, first they riot and then they put out the "hit list."

The hypocrisy of the politically correct, who foam at the mouth at the mere hint of the 10 Commandments displayed in a court of law, see no hint of a connection between the separation of church and state when it comes to "accommodating" Muslims. Both as a people and as a nation, we really do need to address this glaring disparity.

Jerabaub at 7:29
Jerabaub questions whether it is worth American blood and treasure to attempt to bring democracy to the violent and bloodthirsty muslim world. I too have such questions. But then again, did we question the cost of stopping the spread of Imperial Japan (a violent and bloodthirsty regime)? Did we question the cost of stopping Nazi Germany (a violent and bloodthirsty regime)? Did we question the cost of stopping the spread of a violent and bloodthirsty Soviet Union and its many minion states? The first time we questioned the cost was in Vietnam, when a biased media convinced America to quit the fight. And what was the cost of our withdrawal from SE Asia? Approximately 3 to 4 million dead in Vietnam and Cambodia and millions more imprisoned, tortured, maimed. Remember the statement from Bertrand Russell - the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. If we quit in Iraq, if we give up the fight against evil and bloodthirsty muslims who are determined to set up Taliban-like totalitarian regimes everywhere they can, what will be the cost then?

TH is having many technical problems....
TH is having many technical problems....

TH is having many technical problems. I noticed comment pages are experiencing numerous issues. It appears that someone on TH is trying to fix the problems. I posted a comment that I thought TH's re-design was done poorly, but I think that after they get the problems fixed things will be back to normal.

Congrats
Great new design TH programmers!

This page designed by DNC
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Islam - Crap, Catholics - Crap
Protestants - Crap. I could have used feces. And so my address has been put on the net by a Turkish paper, also one in Gibraltar. But I've also been given some info about the paganism of the Catholic Church by someone in Saudi Arabia. I'm in some Koran search because I wrote about 101 ways to do with a Koran - not too complimentary. So I'm on a collision course. But I believe if I try to save my life I will lose it. If I try to lose my life, God will save it. If you have the truth, you are to give it. eli3.tripod.com

jerabaub, NoMoreHats
Thanks NoMoreHats for responding to Jerabaub's assertion that the War on Terror is not worth it. I was gearing up to respond when I saw your response.

I read the posts and I haven't seen anyone mention that what the author is really saying is that journalists are intimidated because majority Islamic countries to not value free speech and freedom of religion as we do (Except for Turkey). We tend to project our Christian values onto them. The Moslems actually feel justified by God to kill people that say anything negative about Islam or its prophet. They even murder Moslems that convert to another religion and their own daughters for 'bringing dishonor' on the family - guilty or not. Moslems also believe that forcing people to comply with Islam is acceptable to God and should be enforced by the rule of

It is extremely difficult for non Moslems to wrap our minds around the Moslem mentality. To us, it is blatantly immoral, oppressive, cruel, evil, unjust and ignorant. To Moslems, it is the will of Allah.

Once we understand that our values are opposed to each other it becomes easier to understand their mentality and why our cultures cannot co exist in peace for now. We don't see eye to eye. We aren't talking the same language at all.

Journalists should be intimidated. The people they are writing about really do feel justified by Allah to murder them. In fact, journalists have compromised their objectivity on many occasions in order to gain access to the Moslem players. If the journalists wrote derogatorily about them they would not be permitted access or even harmed. The journalists know this. This is why they use CNN for propoganda so effectively.

Retired Geek
I have been on all the article pages, and this one is working the best. TH has some serious work ahead of them. On some pages the subject box ends up with the title of the article on it. That makes users think that TH is blocking their subject, but that's not true. I have writen to someone at TH to let them know that things are screwed up. It looks like someone from TH is working on it, because their are posts on some pages that say "test". I hope they get things fixed soon.

If you know anyone that is unhappy, please let them know that TH is trying to get things back on track. Thanks.

First The Stupid Party - Now TH!
Has anyone ever wondered why TH would set up a "Flag as Offensive" option? Like, anyone with an ounce of brains know how Letists typically operate in conservative chatrooms and conservative forums. I think I am safe in assuming that liberals come in here and flag just about any post they find offensive, which is to say any post they disagree with. Are the TH people this freakin' stupid?

The answer is quite obvious. Yes, they are. We have the Stupid Party, and now we have TH piling on!

The National Review published the
cartoons.

Liberals in the US have by abdication of freedom's demands allied themselves with murderers and assassinators.

I will not, however, give over to the rant that *those people* are animals and don't deserve democracy or are not worthy of the sacrifice for it.

JFK said we would go anywhere and commit everything in the name of freedom, and who would have thought a more different nation than Japan in WW II, an isolated island expansionist militarist theocracy, could be changed to a capitalistic democracy? But it took ten years.

Islam has been mired somewhere in the Middle Ages. The great society of Islamic Spain with hot and cold running water, functioning sewers, advanced surgery, elaborate art and poetry vanished into poverty and inertia. But once, the great trade routes for silk and jade, for salt and cinnamon were conducted by Islamic tradespeople for 100s of years. Because it is not so today does not mean such change and renewal is forbidden or impossible.

Or that the people of Iraq deserve a tyrant like Saddam Huseein who threatened the entire peace of his neighbors and the world. We forget after WW II and the holocaust, we said Never again.

To the IT Staff at TH
You guys are doing yeoman's work to introduce this new format, minimize interuptions in reader posts and work out the bugs all while the site remains online. For those of us who have been in your shoes, good luck and good work.

First The Stupid Party - Now TH!
Has anyone ever wondered why TH would set up a "Flag as Offensive" option? Like, anyone with an ounce of brains know how Letists typically operate in conservative chatrooms and conservative forums. I think I am safe in assuming that liberals come in here and flag just about any post they find offensive, which is to say any post they disagree with. Are the TH people this freakin' stupid? The answer is quite obvious. Yes, they are. We have the Stupid Party, and now we have TH piling on!

They might just as well invite Rosie O'Donnell to "flag" as offensive any news show critical of Obama Hussein! Ya know, liberals don't even have to try to censor us conservatives anymore. We do a far better job of it than they could ever do. The Stupid Party is alive and well, and TH is along for the ride!

letemeatfreehealthcare - Offensive Flag
"I think I am safe in assuming that liberals come in here and flag just about any post they find offensive, which is to say any post they disagree with."

I have it on good authority that every flag is investigated by a staff member at TH. If the staff member doesn't see anything offensive, then nothing happens to the posting.

I.e., there's nothing where a posting or poster might be expunged "automatically" by getting a certain number of flags.

Indeed, if somebody takes it upon himself to simply flag postings from people he disagrees with, he may well get a friendly e-mail from a TH staff member asking him what the heck his problem is.

Bottom line: If you're thinking about doing it, don't. If you're worrying about somebody doing it, don't.

Mr M Coupe -- New Format
I'm not sure whether I like the new format or not. But I don't dislike enough to complain about it. I think I can get used to it.

You want to see "Format Gone Horribly Wrong", take a look at the garbage they put on the Dilbert.com site! It's downright painful.

etemeatfreehealthcare
I have talked to the guy that decides which comments are offensive or not. He does not take this job lightly. TH does not want to censor any comments. They know that the KOS and HP remove people for political reasons. TH does not want to be like them.

Unca Alby
At the time I placed the post about the re-design I thought that TH changed the site. It turned out that TH was having technical problems. I have been on every article, this is one of the few pages that was working properly. It looks like TH is working on the problem, because some to the pages that had code issues are better now.

Not comparable
NoMoreHats writes:
7:57 PM EST
But then again, did we question the cost of stopping the spread of Imperial Japan (a violent and bloodthirsty regime)? Did we question the cost of stopping Nazi Germany (a violent and bloodthirsty regime)?
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Germany's people were already adapted to law and order, as the Japanese were and are.

Plus both countries, hold separation of Chruch and State.

This is impossible under islam, IMPOSSIBLE

Kick out the Savages
Why does Denmark or any other sovereign nation feel it HAS to allow muslims in? These 13th century savages have no interest in assimilation or living in the 21st century. Their backwards ways can only strangle a nation's infrastructure, drain welfare and strain law enforcement. As a whole, they are day laborers, not creators, doers or thinkers. "Racism" aside, they are simply not a good value for any Western nation. Keep them out and let them kill each other off in their own idiotic internecine wars in their sandbox.

Is TH In The Tank For Lefties!
Unca Alby, I also have it on "good authority" that CNN has never broadcast a politically biased hit piece. How do I know this? Well, I queried their executives about this and they assure me they don't have a politically-biased bone in their body!

Alby, better think very hard on this matter. TH, as of this posting, has more more banned words and phrases than the Library of Congress has book bindings, and with few exceptions they all concern or directly relate to words, terms and phrases the political left finds offensive. If they applied these same set of rules regarding politically-correct language ettiquette in reverse, redneck, fundie, cracka and a whole lot of other terms we whites find offensive would magically diaappear. But they don't, do they? Tell ya anything, Unca? Well, it should.

Respectfully, Alby, in the immortal words of Pogo, "We have met the enemy, and he is us!"

You do, though, strike me as a very kind gentleman. Thank you for your thoughtful reply, sir.

Mr. Wallis
Thanks for the reading suggestion. I'm currently teaching abroad and English titles are hard to get, but upon returning, I'll check it out.

My idea of the cartoons was to run them, side by side, and concurrently. Let the cartoon dogs out and see who cries "wolf" first.

NoMoreHats
But Bush did not invade Iraq in order to attack Islamist extremists.

Saddam Hussein was a thug, a despot, but he was NOT a radical Islamist. It was the elected Iraqi Shia government which expressed solidarity with Hezbollah in recent battle against Israeli troops in Lebanon.

Persecution of Christians in Iraq has dramatically increased since the Shia government was elected.

Can't compare post WW2 Japan, with Iraq.

Japan is extremely homogeneous population. Iraq is anything but.

We banned public displays of Japanese Shinto religion when we occupied Japan.

Should we ban Islam in Iraq?

Good luck with that one.

I understand the threat from Islam.

Iraq had nothing to do with that..but our invasion destablized the area, increased the power of radical Islamists in Iran, who now is causing problems in Lebanon and thru out the region.

Good morning to all!
I have a new series of posts I will be doing at my blog, Fountain Abbey, this week that I think all of you will enjoy.

As you have time, stop by the Abbey and check it out. You can click on my name, or cut and paste the following url:

http://fountainabbey.blogtownhall.com/

Hope to see all of you there!

A simple approach for non-Muslims
(1) Assume that Muslims hate you, and have put a fatwa against you as an infidel
(2) For Muslims who become non-Muslims (infidel), assume you are now considered apostate and there is fatwa against you

Now, since you are d##ned anyway (by Muslim "rules"), go ahead and print as you please!

Cartoonist Kill Islam, read all about it
When people of limited knowledge become offended they resort to physical violence. That is Islam today, under the un-educated Shi-ites cleric leaders.
I want to write Ayahtollas but cannot come to spelling it correctly, it always comes out Ay a told ya. LOL
Anyway, I agree with svpallava's ` A simple approach for non-Muslims'.
We are hated by the Shi ites radicals, because we do not support them or respect them. It is hard to respect someone that rants and waves a gun at you, chanting death to USA.
Best solutions to handle Islamic radicals, don't handle them. Listen to them, watch them, then wait and behead them. But never believe you can handle them.
Sunnis for centuries have, listened, watched, waited and then beheaded them. They need the Shi ites for labourers. We need Shi ites like a hole in the head.

Religion of peace?
Harvey, your comments about Copenhagen made me sad to hear that this has happened to your lovely city. Ever since I read the novel "The Girl In A Swing" by Richard Adams, I've wanted to visit Copenhagen. I don't guess that will be happening now.

This must be upsetting for you and your wife. I can only imagine. I grew up in a small Southern town where you could go out and leave your house unlocked, and your things would still be there when you got back. Now there are meth labs in my hometown, and strings of robberies up and down the street where my grandmother used to live. Imagining this, plus violence, on a major citywide scale is just...sad beyond words.

I almost forgot
What has changed in my hometown? Large numbers of people moving into the area, people who didn't grow up around there, including a large immigrant population. Coincidence?

For Butcher #54
It's not just Shias who hate the US (and non-Muslims)--also true specifically of the Salafi/Wahhabi subset of Sunnis (dominant in Saudi Arabia, much of Al Qaeda and cent-percent of Taliban).

Also, a historical correction. When Pakistan was ruled by Shias (1956-1976)***, there was almost no radicalism there against the US; when ruled by a Sunni war-criminal (Zia ul-Haq) who decided to "Islamise" the country, such radicalism arose aplenty.

***You can check the wiki bios of Pakistan's top leaders during that period--all of them were (at least nominally--Yahya Khan was actually nonreligious, as proven by his alcoholism) Shias.

Saddam Hussein took over in a
military coup d'etat where he deposed the legal gov't in 1980. That he was elected in his own sponsored polling after is hardly relevant, like the voting for Castro in Cuba or the various communists in the former USSR.
Iraq is very analogous to Japan after WW II. It was xenophobic, radical, advocating world conquest, militarist, and a theocracy. The biggest difference is Japan was more homogeneous than Iraq, which is an amalgam of various Islamic sects, Arab tribes, and unrelated Kurds in the north.
In Japan, we were dictators. MacArthur wrote the Japanese const. It still stands. There were no immediate elections. School books were rewritten, new teachers brought in, and the process took ten years before we gave up the occupancy. I know some of the last Marines that were in Japan in '54 when we officially *left,* altho' we still have 1000s of troops there because 1) for decades we didn't want Japan to rearm and 2) we were Japan's legal form of defense.

Moslems are out to kill you all !
That's a simple fact of life to anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes reading in the filthy kuran. So Georgie(the moron)Bush tells us that islam is a "religion of peace!" and takes the nation to war in iraq in hopes of making a democracy out of the crackpot moslems over there ? Who the hell is he trying to kid. The filthy koran tells moslems to murder, butcher, destroy, rape, and enslave; and the leaders of the gutless, spineless, brainless western world say "we have to be nice to them and everything will be just peachy!" I thought we tried that prior to WW2. In the meantime, the State Department and the Department of Immigration have opened the doors to murderous moslem immigration into America? The American people need to get their heads out of their butts and recognize what's going on. Helloooooo?

islam
doug no kidding! AMERICA has its head up their butts alright! islam is no religion of peace at all! the smart people of AMERICA KNOWS IT, BUT THEN HOW MANY SMART PEOPLE ARE THERE IN AMERICA? not to many by the looks of it, cause a vote for obama is a vote by an a--!

th
why don't they just put thumms up or thumms down, better then offensive flags. that way you can see how many agree or disagree with you!

Cartoonists Should Be Protected Always
I am pursuing the field of cartooning, so the Danish Prophet cartoons have had a great effect on my outlook in the industry. I, as well as some other American cartoonists, do want to print their own Mohammed cartoons, but more often then naught, it's comics editors who try to persuade us to not do so. They fear that emboldened Islamic extremists in the U.S. might take advantage of this fear and try to use the same kind of deadly force used in the Arab world on cartoonists, their families, and newspaper publishers.

I don't know if printing the Danish cartoons was a good thing, but I do believe it was the right thing. It exposes Islamo-Nazi terrorists for who they are: people who believe that no one has a right to freedom of speech except for themselves. We must fight their campaign of fear and intimidation at all cost. That would include drawing caricatures of the prophet Mohammed.
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