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Monday, October 22, 2007
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
Was the Recall Worth It?
by Debra J. Saunders
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Was the recall worth it? California government is still spending more than it takes in.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger promised to blow up the "boxes" of state government, but he didn't.

Democratic legislative leaders are enjoying lavish lifestyles when they should be rolling up their sleeves. And the state GOP, which pushed for the ouster of Gov. Gray Davis in 2003, is as beside the point as ever.

Was it worth it putting $1.6 million into the recall campaign? I asked Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., who largely bankrolled the effort that moved the recall from a threat to a reality.

"Yes, of course," Issa answered.

"Would I have like to have spent less? Absolutely. I'm a fiscal conservative." And: "I spent $8 million coming up second in a Republican primary for the U.S. Senate. If you have to put it in perspective, wouldn't you say this is better?"

Overall, Issa noted, while the state is still spending too much, "Republicans are not happy, Democrats are not happy, but the people of California are happy." Gray Davis, who seems more popular and relaxed since California voters recalled him four years ago, told me he would leave the answer to my question for voters and pundits to decide. Although he quipped, "My wife says if she had known life would be this good, she'd have voted for the recall."

Far from being angry, Davis gives much credit to the man who unseated him. Gov. Schwarzenegger, Davis said, "is a great salesman. That's a huge part of politics today." Davis noted that while he signed a global-warming bill, Schwarzenegger's support for a later measure "has given far more currency to the issue than I ever could."

Which is why many global warming skeptics in the GOP are unhappy with Schwarzenegger -- even if, as spokesman Adam Mendelsohn noted, Schwarzenegger uses a "market-oriented" approach, instead of regulation, to address global warming. And Schwarzenegger has garnered the highest veto rate of any governor in the last 40 years.

As for legal corruption, it is alive and well in Sacramento. Special interests plough money into the California Recovery Team, which flies Schwarzenegger to tony towns, when he's not paying for his private plane out of pocket.

Now, it seems, Democratic leaders have come down with a serious case of Arnold Envy. The Los Angeles Times reported on the $5.3 million "Friends of Fabian Nunez" fund that has picked up the tab for the Assembly speaker's fact-finding missions to South America, Barcelona and Bordeaux. As the East Bay Express reported, Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata also spent campaign funds lavishly, if locally "living large."

California Republican Party Vice Chair Jon Fleischman, who endorsed the governator in 2003, noted that Schwarzenegger vetoed "a lot of bills that Gray Davis would have signed. The trade-off is that as a Republican governor, his ability to leverage for more spending and higher taxes is amazing. No one has the ability to increase spending like a Republican chief executive." Fleischman threw in President Bush as another example.

The state budget under Schwarzenegger rose from $101 billion when he took over to $131 billion now. Only through borrowing has Sacramento balanced the budget.

Worse, having come into office repealing a car tax, Sunday Schwarzenegger signed a bill to raise smog abatement fee for new cars from $12 to $20 and tack on $3 to car registration fees. Fleischman is angry because those are tax hikes.

I am angry because Schwarzenegger raised fees to fund new spending, not to mitigate the state budget shortfall -- granted, a general tax hike is harder because unlike a fee hike, it requires a two-thirds vote -- for energy subsidies and clean-air programs. Or, as tax foe Grover Norquist put it, "He's raising taxes for corporate welfare."

Forget that, said Duf Sundheim, former state GOP chairman. Schwarzenegger "is the only thing standing in the way of this state actually going over the cliff. People forget how bad things were when he took over -- a $38 billion deficit. Companies would regularly tell me they were leaving the state. People had lost confidence in our ability tackle the problems. You're not going to solve all of them."

GOP consultant Kevin Spillane noted that Schwarzenegger ushered through workers compensation reform and has fostered a positive business climate.

Many insiders agree that Schwarzenegger's biggest mistake was to agree to push three ballot measures -- later expanded to four -- that were put before California voters in 2005. All four measures -- dealing with teacher tenure, public employee unions, state budget reform and the reapportionment process -- tanked. Voters thought Schwarzenegger was being too political in calling the special election. It didn't matter that the budget reform and redistricting measures would have delivered badly needed reforms.

When it was over, observed former Davis aide Roger Salazar, "All that you've got left is smoke, and when that clears you're still in the same spot."

Schwarzenegger abandoned budget reform; the state is still spending more than it takes in, and many on the right feel let down. Salazar's verdict: "Apart from the theatrics," it's "new Guv same as the old Guv."

Or, as Davis observed, Schwarzenegger discovered that governing California "is not pick-up sticks. And you frequently are exposed to problems that are beyond your control."

Then Davis explained to me, as succinctly as can be, the morass -- my term -- that passes for government in California and America: "Throughout America, the public is living beyond its means. However, there is no appetite to send the government more of their discretionary income. Elected officials have to come to terms with that. People want services. People want their programs financed. But they don't want to send any more money to Sacramento or Washington. It's your job as an elected official to figure out how to respond to the rising tide of expectations for government services within the resources the economy provides."

Schwarzenegger promised to be a governor-action hero, but he morphed into a mortal, if able, politician who helped the economy, made the state better off than when he started -- and learned to fear the voters' wrath.

And so he has come up with a new gimmick to fund his proposed universal health-care package -- leasing the lottery to a private company to come up with $2 billion of the $12 billion needed. A big new government program -- that Californians really want as long as they don't have to pay for it.

The voter anger that swelled when the Davis administration raised the car tax -- and led to his recall -- is gone. The recall taught state pols what happens when they raise taxes, and the 2005 special election showed what happens when a governor tries to curb spending even moderately.

No worries. To paraphrase Issa, the voters are happy.

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Gray Davis or Benedict Arnold Schwartzen
-Traitor: Which one is worse?

Gray Davis was merely corrupt and incompetent.

Schwartzen-Traitor is a liar who hid his true Socialist nature until after the re-election and then came out of the closet, and has been trying to destroy our culture ever since.

What ever happened to the state that made Ronald Reagan Governor?

I am so mad about this vile Reptillian Psuedo-Republican I am beside myself (hello, me)!

Government is supposed to provide...
The average American deserves more social services and government handouts, and it is simply unjust to tell a citizen that the government cannot provide basic humanitarian needs such as free health care, affordable housing, high paying jobs, free education, and free Internet and cable TV.

Our very government was designed to provide the things that the common person needs to live a happy, carefree life, and our politicians are elected to ensure that the flow of benefits remains uninterrupted. Thus, the politicians should stop complaining about the cost of such benefits, and instead they should simply take away more money from the rich.

The Declaration of Independence has a clause describing how the government is supposed to provide for the basic needs of the citizenry, and there is no mention about a cap on costs. Our cowardly politicians aren't living to this constitutional obligation to the poor, and yet the solution is so simple. We can simply confiscate enough wealth from the affluent to pay off the entire national debt overnight, and then set a tax bracket for the rich at a high enough point that ensures all Americans are free from any type of want whatsoever. No poor or middle class person should be required to contribute since they have been oppressed by the rich long enough.

Our constitution tells us that those who are able are obligated to care for those that need, and the rights of the individual are secondary to that of the community. It is high time we adhere to those principles just as our forefathers intended.

Mountain Rose
You sound rather bitter at the Guv, for which I can't blame you and would concur except I really don't think that it's his fault.

I had long been bitter about the slow decline and slide into the cesspool of our Country, but have since realized that the America that I grew up in was dying when I was a child, as the 60's radicals, having left college, slowly moved up the food chain to positions of influence and power. They all still hated America, but came to the correct conclusion that it would be easier to kill the country from within. They succeeded.

America's official time of death was the moment that B. J. Clinton was elected President. All that is left is a corpse that appears to be America, and what you see is the ravaging hyena's and vultures fighting over the decomposing flesh, with people like the Guv trying to keep the desecration of the corpse orderly.

Alex
Perhaps we might pull off a true "Night of the Living Dead", though like you, I have my doubts. If even a small group of Americans could muster the guts to live up to the obligations described within the Declaration of Independence, we might be able to overthrow this illegitimate government and restore the type of government that was provided for in our constitution. However, that will take resolve, and unfortunately most Americans are only too happy to dip their snout in the trough, even if it does mean they are slaves of their own goverment.

The nation as we know it may soon end, but hopefully enough of us will escape into some New America, and the dreams of freedom and liberty will live on. From our vantage point, we can watch as the socialists implode once again. But maybe next time we will be wise enough to prevent them from infiltrating en masse as they have done here.

Sawgunner
You wrote:
"The nation as we know it may soon end, but
hopefully enough of us will escape into some New America, and the dreams of freedom and liberty will live on."

I hope that you are supportive of NASA then, 'cause were pretty much out of land here on this planet.

Unfortunately I am not optimistic. There are plenty of red blooded Americans out there, but I really can't see them rising up to change things. Our media has way too far of a reach, whether newspapers, television, or internet, and far too much of it is controlled by those who have a vested interest in the continuing on with the project of dismembering and selling off the remains of America. The incandescent blue of the idiot box lulls America to sleep. In their lethargic state just before sliding into oblivion, most people realize that something is not quite right, but they can't quite put their finger on it and everything seems so complicated. Easier to just let the likes of Arnold handle things and slide off to sleep.

Even here on the internet, as I've said before, we all tap out responses to these articles, probably spending several hours a week reading and responding. It makes us feel better and gives us the illusion that we have done something. Does it go anywhere or change anything in the reel world. No. It's the thinking man's version of sports stats and fantasy football.

The 60's generation, with much help from their predecessors in planning this homicide, have worked hard to insulate the crime scene from any interference from We The People.

Runaway Spending
Schwarzenegger is borrowing billions upon billions of dollars from our children and grandchildren. Eat, drink and be merry, it's what the voters want and the voters are getting exactly what they want - more Nanny State government without any tax increases.

The party is going to have to end some time, and a grown up is going to have to fix it. I hope Tom McClintock will finally be able to win the Governor's race after Arnold steps down.

And as much as I'd like to blame Arnold for the state's problems, it is the voters in California who don't care and are responsible.

It's finally starting to happen
When I fled the great welfare state of California, I knew that eventually when you steel the money from the working few to support the many moochers flooding in from the south, having bast**d children faster than la cucarachas, the encomy would implode.

This is a future view of the rest of the country if the American citizen keeps his head in the sand about illegal immigration.

bluejacket
You are right in the money about California.
Socialism run amok is California.

now it can be told
When you enter the people's state of california you are stopped at the border and required to leave at least 75% of your gray matter there. When you leave you can get it back (after paying a hefty tax of course) but it diminishes at a rate of at least 5% per year. If you were born there you have my sympathy.

37 years ago I lived there for 6 weeks. The population was about 11 million. 37 years later the population is about 38 million - IOW it has more than tripled. You cannot tell me that with people so close together and the situation getting worse exponentially that that doesn't produce some seriously nutty behavior.

OMT - I have it from impeccable sources that the state senate (at the urging of some hollywood moguls) is seriously considering suspending the rules of logic.

As for common sense - they never even heard of it.

It will be interesting
to see how happy the voters are when they start paying for health care for all of California's illegal aliens. Sure, they have been paying already thru state support of hospital emergency room services. That alone has bankrupted a dozen or so California hospitals, but it will be a lot worse when working Californians start having to shell out for little Hose’s school inoculations and little Maria’s flu vaccinations.


Mountain Rose
I agree. I am mad as hell too. What I don't understand is why so many libs campaign as conservatives. If the country really supports the ideas and ideals of the left, why do leftist politicians pretend to be something else? If socialism is really so great, you would think they would be proud to sponsor it.

Recall Worth it?
Perhaps the recall was worth it in the beginning but it certainly does not appear that way now.
You end with "The Voters are happy". This one sure is not. Politicians will be the death of our nation, if they have not already succeeded.

Schwarzenegger ....
is a European socialist. After all is said and done there is not a socialist alive who has as basic an understanding of monetary transactions as does a grade schooler with some coin for candy.
I an certain that the banks thhese guys are borrowing from definitely support the status quo.

Yeah, be angry Leftifornia!
You guys in Cali should be angry that the GOP there went for a Kennedy Republican over an actual conservative because of name recognition. They should have known that you cannot be a prt of the Kennedy Clan that long and the stain of liberalism not rub off onto you. Yeah, be angry that your state GOP went for "electibility" over principle---remind anyone of the current situation with the national GOP?

Movie Stunt Without a Net
Is Schwarzenegger a leftist-socialist, no, not really. Is he a die hard conservative, no, not really. Should the answer to Ms. Saunders question, is he better than Gray Davis, be answered in the affirmative, absolutely.

I remember Debra questioning if California really needed to carry out the recall election in the first place. I appreciate her writing to confirm she was wrong about that one.

Governor Schwarzenegger at least tried to confront the legislature by proposing reform bills. Then when he couldn’t get anywhere, he took his plan for reforming politics by changing districting rules in this state to its people. It was a gutsy bigger than life action hero style, if not movie stunt without a net type move. He was rolled like a two bit punk in a b-movie. He has not been the same since.

The reforms he wanted would have made a big difference and caused seismic reverberations across the country. I believe he still wants to see them enacted, hopefully before he leaves office. In the mean time, he’s become the go-along-to-get-along governor. He isn’t all bad, unless you’re a to the right of Tom McClintock conservative or to the left of Fabian Nunez liberal.

One day it will be said of President Bush, at least he proposed to fix Social Security. It will also be said that Governor Schwarzenegger at least tried to reel in the unions.

California residents
are like alcoholics and we all know alcoholics don't begin to get better until they hit bottom, that is... are at risk to lose everything, their jobs, health, marriages etc. The spending in California can't go on forever until it drives productive citizens out of the state and the ones remaining are poorly educated mexicans with low paying jobs.

For Mountain Rose
Are you saying Reagan was the closest-to-ideal governor for CA?

As US president, he certainly wasn't anywhere near ideal:
(1) consulted mediums
(2) made serious blunders in Muddle East policy of which consequences still haunt;
(a) rescue of turdocrat Yaser Arafat from Beirut to Tunis
(b) attempt to send in token Marine force (armed only with BLANKS) to Beirut--resulting in 250 of them being murdered by Hezbullah (with help from the aforementioned rescued Arafat)

SB777
The last straw. There was no compeling interest to ram the homosexual agenda down the throats of parents with a stick to hammer dissidents.
The Jerkenator also missed a chance, after defeating the woeful Angelides, to pick up Prop 187 and run it to the higher courts, after Davis refused to do so. We have had almost 14 years of parceling out the "bennes" to illegal aliens e.g., in-state tuition for the children of these felons.
The middle class will continue to relocate to friendlier climes, especially the black MC which sees what damage low wages to illegals do to them and their children.
This spring I will be selling my house and moving to Ohio The people of this state may be happpy, but I'm not, and so are millions of othrs. And I predict that as things get worse, more Californios will do as I am going to do.

svpallava
Yeah, and he took down the Soviets, big deal!

CA's version of Neville Chamberlain,...
...."Duf Sundheim, former state GOP chairman. Schwarzenegger "is the only thing standing in the way of this state actually going over the cliff."

The leadership of the California Republican Party since Dan Lundgren ran for Governor has spent its time at the country club instead of leading the party. Duf Sundheim is a moron. How he got were he was in the CRP is a total mystery. Then again, maybe not.

The California Republican Party is on its way to a well deserved oblivion.

SB777
I wonder why it should be surprising that people were willing to go along with this.

They went along with abstinence-only sex education.

Bad Rep. habit
Reps. have too often gotten into office just to inmitate the "tax and spend" of the people they theoretically opposed.

It's always easier to say "yes" to all the scratchers and grabbers who see gov't as a great gravy train just pulling into the station to deliver goodies to their greed.

Then pundits and the MSM talk about how "evolved" the Reps. are and how "nuanced" their tax and spend decisions.

In the meantime, they've abandoned their reason for being:
less gov't
low taxation
individual responsibiltiy (for people and business)
strong free trade and military

Congress discovered in 2006, if Reps. behaved like Dems., they could be replaced by Dems. I don't know how much is changing.

I'm sorry, "Greg...
...the Californian", but the recall was not, at the time or in hindsight, necessary. And your shilling for Arnold on TH is unbecoming for a CA conservative(?). Gray Davis should have faced the recall petition, but just barley made it and left to stew in his own juices for the remainder of his term. You think that Arnold has done better? I certainly don't.

California would have been better off and the California Republican Party could have gone back to playing golf. Just like the Condor in California, Republican's in CA are on their way to extinction and it did not start with Arnold. It began with such lackluster's as the Steve Kuyendall's of the CRP.

http://www.stevekuykendall.com/aboutSteve/

I'm a California voter
And I'm not the least bit happy about business as usual in Sacramento. Is Schwarzenegger an improvement over Davis? Well, sure. Big deal. He thoroughly screwed up his most important mandate, getting the massive public employee pension system under control. When the boomers retire, we will see what our politicians through the years have wrought with their blind, bought and paid for adherence to the public employee unions' demands that their unsustainable defined benefit pension programs are sacrosanct and remain off the bargaining table. As retirees, my husband and I will be moving out of California. And we'll be taking all our deferred-tax income with us.

Arnold & California
They were made for each other. We should extend the Mexican fence up the eastern California border so none of these socialist perverts can get out.

A preview of "President Rudy"
This is exactly what I've been warning about as a danger for the national scene if Giuliani is elected President.

I've written about this extensively on my blog (just click my name).

Scharzenegger ignores the state Repubs, treats conservatives like illegitimate siblings, and caucuses with the Sacramento Dems on the legislative agenda, which is why we're being treated to legislation he likes such as a state globull warming initiative, sate universal healthcare, and the gun microstampinb bill he just signed into law.

He's a flat-out disaster.

This is what you can expect from President Giuliani. A few months of lip service to Republicans, a couple of meaningless nods to conservatives, then a whole lotta liberal agenda being put into effect as he starts cooperating with his ideological allies, the Democrats.

Don't fall for it! Bad enough we Californians have to put up with it! Save the country from this BS!

I TOLD YOU SO
I told you so I told you so!

Back when you all were so warm and fuzzy, wanting to elect a eurotrash Kennedy to be governor of CA, I TOLD you that you were blowing the 1st and maybe only chance you had to get a real conservative into the governor's manse.

You didn't listen to me then.. NOW I try to tell you to DUMP Rudy and back Tancredo or Hunter, and you're still spewing the same nonsense.

Don't you dare complain about SwartzenKennedy, you didn't listen to me then. Don't complain when we get Hillary Lite, because you won't listen to me NOW.

Definitely NOT!
I was keen on Arnold as governor because he talked tough. But now that he's in office, he's turned into a wimp. In fact, I think he is out "liberaling" liberals with his insane environmental policy. All we got was another Democrat in Republican clothing. What a waste of money.

Loyal Democrat???
Loyal Democrat,

Spoken like a true socialist. You are reading things into the constitution that are not there.
Paragraph 1:
First of all, where is it written that you or I are owed these things? And who is going to pay for them for me? You? WRONG!
Paragraph 2:
Where do I start? You must be one of the "poor people" because you certainly wouldn't want the money taken away from YOU!
Paragraph 3:
WOW, are you misinformed. The government is supposed to get out of the way so we can each reach our true potential... something you apparently do not want to do... Take responsibility for yourself, you wimp!
Paragraph 4:
You couldn't be more wrong. There is nothing in the constitution that says any such nonsense.

svpallava
Where in the heck do you get your facts? La-la land!

California
I have been warning about bankruptcy for this state for seven years now. We are right on the verge. Another thing no ones seems to notice is the water wars are really heating up. Look for California to possibly split into two maybe three regions. Some of the highest taxes and cost of living in the country yet roads are bad, no infrastructure maintained, no nuclear energy, no dams, no desalination plants, yet we do have illegals which won't do any good. Can't grow anything without water.

As to those complaining about the enormous pension system, take that, multiply by 1000, and voila you have HC. That's what entitlements do. Bankrupt you.

Suddenly this country is so dumb they are incapable of preparing for their own retirement. Say a big thanks to FDR and the Dems.

Global warming
If you want to see some global warming, you ought to look at some of the satellite pictures of LA and San Diego counties. All the water that's being used to fight these fires is using up what little water there was available in many areas due to the general drought conditions that have existed in these places since last spring.

There was more particulate and gaseous pollution being pumped into the air just this weekend than was put out in a year during WWII when the area was cranking it out industrially, no scrubbing crontrols were in place, and coal and oil were the fuels. The environment coped then just as it will rebound after the fires are out now.

When these kind of things occur, how absurdly feeble it seems when some enviro fool obsessively suggests that incandescent light bulbs be banned. IMO, the only CO2 that's harmful is that which eminates from liberals' big yaps.

GW is simply the latest leftist propaganda frenzy meant to control personal behavior, shut down the economy and reduce our standard of living - and secure for them power.

Annoy a liberal - buy an eight cylinder SUV.

Republicans + Democrats = Corruption!
While it should never ever happen, however, the only thing that could have a chance to clean up America back to the hopes and dreams, that of the Founding Fathers, would be for some strongman overthow the whole thing and take over, and in reality, have an emancipation from ourselves. Yes, this re-emancipation would be much more difficult than the one George Washington secured, in as much as this nation is by far a more far-reaching and abusive Empire than the British ever were. Yes, an inhumane and horrendous war mchinery ever more, circling the globe, with the National Debt growing like weeds, with Communist China America's darling banker. Yes, at the same time America in reality is financing one ot its most future dreaded military thread, from all accounts one hears and reads. Yes, the present housing debacle, whose major player to produce such, that of monster Federal Government with its Feeddie Mac and Fannie Mae, injecting funds to help so called poor ones, etc., etc. etc. Yes, no time to act as a referee so that crooks would not take advantage, simply, because, injecting those additional funds was crookedness to begin with. While at the same time my party blames everything upon the liberal Democrats. Yes, if the Republican part was as clean as it claims to be the Democrats would and could not be as bad as my party makes them out to be. Yes, Arnold became Governator because, of his promise that he will be as pure and clean as sort of a God on earth, and the same goes for George W.the one that claims to have a direct line into heaven. Yes, more and more I tend to conclude that his line into heaven has been highjacked by the other "guy", as I see the mess in Iraq, etc. In closing this to explain for myself something that should never have been the case: Yes, 9/11 made in America, by America, for America, in the "shop" of absolute and complete lawlessness/anarchy with the Commander in Chief as the foreman.

Recall
In the long run, the recall is MORE than worth it. By recalling a Governor who was elected by a big margin, WE THE PEOPLE showed the politcos who is the REAL boss. Furthermore, this shows that that the recall is no empty threat.

mountain rose
wise up; it is easy to look for devil; most people in CA are not like you;

that is the problem; it is pretty hard to get angry an inchoate mass;

so you take it on a supposed devil; a leader cant get ahead of his people


so your task is to hypnotize all Ca people to think like you

then arnold would be top notch governor

go to work
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